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GreenZone
07-03-2012, 06:21 PM
Maybe a comeback with the GMen may be in the cards later this year?

Article on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4e611/article/derrick-ward-calling-it-a-career-after-eight-seasons-)

Joe Morrison
07-03-2012, 07:22 PM
Maybe a comeback with the GMen may be in the cards later this year?

Article on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4e611/article/derrick-ward-calling-it-a-career-after-eight-seasons-)
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That could be a possiblility, if Ware doesn't step up and Bradshaw is made to carry too much it's proven he will break down.</P>


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Flip Empty
07-03-2012, 07:51 PM
Maybe a comeback with the GMen may be in the cards later this year?

Article on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4e611/article/derrick-ward-calling-it-a-career-after-eight-seasons-)
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That could be a possiblility, if Ware doesn't step up and Bradshaw is made to carry too much it's proven he will break down.</P>


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And Wilson?

I can't see him coming back. Once you leave the Giants, you tend to stay gone.

Joe Morrison
07-03-2012, 08:06 PM
Maybe a comeback with the GMen may be in the cards later this year?

Article on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4e611/article/derrick-ward-calling-it-a-career-after-eight-seasons-)
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That could be a possiblility, if Ware doesn't step up and Bradshaw is made to carry too much it's proven he will break down.</P>


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And Wilson? I can't see him coming back. Once you leave the Giants, you tend to stay gone.</P>


Probably not a reality but I think the GMEN really rolled the dice on Ware and the new guys, but then again we said the same about our recieving core last year.</P>

jints10
07-03-2012, 08:07 PM
He got his big pay day and hasn't done squat since

miked1958
07-04-2012, 12:58 AM
He got his big pay day and hasn't done squat since\</P>


Same can be said for a whole lot of guys that left the GMEN. Says something for the way they are coached here. Lots of success with NY which leads them to beleive that they are something special only to find out when they get their PAYDAYS it was the Giants System all alongthat was making them Shine</P>

greenca190
07-04-2012, 01:10 AM
The real question:

First ballot hall of famer? I think he makes it in the second try.

THE_New_York_Giants
07-04-2012, 02:28 AM
He got his big pay day and hasn't done squat since\</p>


Same can be said for a whole lot of guys that left the GMEN. Says something for the way they are coached here. Lots of success with NY which leads them to beleive that they are something special only to find out when they get their PAYDAYS it was the Giants System all alongthat was making them Shine</p>

He left the Giants at 28 years old. That's about when running backs drop substantially in production. Remember Shaun Alexander? One year NFL MVP, the next he is out of the NFL. Running backs don't usually last long. Guys like Tiki Barber and Emmit Smith come by once a decade.
Larry Johnson had 1800 yards 2 years in a row. The next year, he had 500 and was never the same and out of the NFL. Running backs break down fast and don't last long. I think Ward's decline is more of a case of wear and tear on the body as opposed to the Giants system being infinitely better. Not many running backs can maintain 4 years of 1,000+ yards.

Rat_bastich
07-04-2012, 05:08 AM
I think the year that he had his 1000 yards rushing was more of a fluke year than anything. When he had that year(2008) we had Steve, Plax and Amani as our receivers. Steve and Amani didn't break 600 yards and we know what happened to Plax that year.

Brandon Jacobs and Ward were our two backs with Bradshaw getting time, albeit very little. We relied more on our running game than any other aspect.

After Ward's payday in Tampa his best rushing season was 409 yards. 2010 he had 315 and 2011 he had 154.

I don't think he was too old, I just think he overachieved one year behind a really good line and a back that softened up defenses...the Brandon Jacobs of old.

Captain Chaos
07-04-2012, 06:30 AM
Ward was good behind a good O'line, given the state of our O line (not that it's bad a work in progress) I don't think Ward would fair well. I think we have what we need. Best of Luck Derrick!

G.I. Ants
07-04-2012, 07:02 AM
I'd also add the Ward was in our system for years when he had that breakout season. It's tough to go to another team and blossom in another system, Nnamdi, for example, played mediocre in his 1st season as a bird.

GMENAGAIN
07-04-2012, 08:52 AM
He got his big pay day and hasn't done squat since\</P>


Same can be said for a whole lot of guys that left the GMEN. Says something for the way they are coached here. Lots of success with NY which leads them to beleive that they are something special only to find out when they get their PAYDAYS it was the Giants System all alongthat was making them Shine</P>


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. . . . or that the FO is good a determining who is worh the big money and who isn't . . . .</P>

GreenZone
07-04-2012, 11:20 AM
I'd also add the Ward was in our system for years when he had that breakout season. It's tough to go to another team and blossom in another system, Nnamdi, for example, played mediocre in his 1st season as a bird.

Good point. First year's for free agents are often tough, adjusting to a new environment and a new playbook... as in Chris Canty and Michael Boley.

jakegibbs
07-04-2012, 11:21 AM
Maybe a comeback with the GMen may be in the cards later this year?

Article on NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4e611/article/derrick-ward-calling-it-a-career-after-eight-seasons-)


Maybe they can bring him & Tiki back lol...hmmmm

GreenZone
07-04-2012, 11:37 AM
He left the Giants at 28 years old. That's about when running backs drop substantially in production. Remember Shaun Alexander? One year NFL MVP, the next he is out of the NFL. Running backs don't usually last long...

This is a different era, in terms of conditioning though. And Ward has not been utilized much in his career. In eight years, he has carried the ball only 551 times.

And, in his last season with the Giants (2008), he carried the ball 182 times with a 5.6 yard per carry average (only 11.375 carries per game). In the three seasons since, he's carried the ball just 206 times!

By contrast, Shaun Alexander carried the ball 2,187 times in his career, including 370, 353, 326, 309 attempts in his top four seasons' workload. Ward has only 25.2% of the carries that Alexander had to date.

And the year before last in Houston, 2010, he had a 6.3 yard average on 50 carries. Picking him up at veteran minimum could be an an intriguing upgrade to Ware if he gets that motivation back as the season draws near.

GreenZone
07-04-2012, 11:47 AM
Maybe they can bring him &amp; Tiki back lol...hmmmm

Thanks for the sarcasm.

Tiki carried the ball 2,217 times in ten years of play (and caught 586 more balls) vs. 554 attempts (and 96 receptions) in 8 years so far for Ward. Tiki is 37 years old. Ward is 31.

THE_New_York_Giants
07-04-2012, 01:21 PM
He left the Giants at 28 years old. That's about when running backs drop substantially in production. Remember Shaun Alexander? One year NFL MVP, the next he is out of the NFL. Running backs don't usually last long...

This is a different era, in terms of conditioning though. And Ward has not been utilized much in his career. In eight years, he has carried the ball only 551 times.

And, in his last season with the Giants (2008), he carried the ball 182 times with a 5.6 yard per carry average (only 11.375 carries per game). In the three seasons since, he's carried the ball just 206 times!

By contrast, Shaun Alexander carried the ball 2,187 times in his career, including 370, 353, 326, 309 attempts in his top four seasons' workload. Ward has only 25.2% of the carries that Alexander had to date.

And the year before last in Houston, 2010, he had a 6.3 yard average on 50 carries. Picking him up at veteran minimum could be an an intriguing upgrade to Ware if he gets that motivation back as the season draws near.


You arent taking account the carries he took in high school, college, offseasons, and practice. Just because you only have 2,000 carries in games over 8 years doesnt mean youve seen more contact. These guys take a beating pretty much every day during the season. It was only last year that the NFLPA got them to limit contact in practice... but everyone gets their *** kicked in training camp. At the end of the day, Ward and Alexander probably had the same amount of carries in their respective football careers. Running backs are a sprained ankle, a broken arm, etc away from retirement. There probably isnt another position on the field that takes more of a toll on the body.

Neverend
07-04-2012, 05:12 PM
I guess i might be the only one who wanted the giants to resign ward. andre brown was supposed to be the replacement at the time, but i was very mad to see him go. i didnt think he was a product of the offensive line, i thought the guy had legit wiggle/acceleration. he was talented

he had a great year. ill never forget his game against the panthers.

Manning2Niks
07-04-2012, 07:27 PM
Tomlinson retired too. Maybe we can sign him. Or how about we look into signing keyshawn? He's been out long enough to heal up nice and contribute.

What is the logic behind these questions? "hmmm....says he's done playing....maybe we should sign him....?"

GreenZone
07-05-2012, 09:29 AM
What is the logic behind these questions? "hmmm....says he's done playing....maybe we should sign him....?"

Guys come out of recent retirement for the right situation, when not injured. And as the football season draws near, many have a different outlook about playing vs. thinking about going through another training camp.