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FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
07-06-2012, 12:27 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.

MattMeyerBud
07-06-2012, 12:29 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</P>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</P>

thomsoad
07-06-2012, 12:33 PM
I got no issues with 5th. Until the INTS come down thats a pretty fair assessment. Its not like he is below Romo, Flacco, or Big Ben

FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
07-06-2012, 12:37 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</p>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</p>

Honestly my biggest gripe is the fact that Peyton Manning, who had more neck surgeries than snaps last year is ahead of the reigning Superbowl MVP.

Based on that, I'm surprised Andrew Luck and RGIII didn't make the list; they played just as many games as Peyton did.

burier
07-06-2012, 12:44 PM
lol.

Eli should be moved up 4 spots.

But watch my smoke. Week 6

b_ELI_eve
07-06-2012, 12:45 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</p>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</p>

Honestly my biggest gripe is the fact that Peyton Manning, who had more neck surgeries than snaps last year is ahead of the reigning Superbowl MVP.

Based on that, I'm surprised Andrew Luck and RGIII didn't make the list; they played just as many games as Peyton did.


Stop being so sour. Eli at #5 is just fine. Gives him more of a reason to go out this season and show the "experts" how wrong they are.

greenca190
07-06-2012, 01:03 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.


A notorious Giant hater putting their quarterback at fifth best in the league?

If the guy let his opinions of teams influence his job, Eli wouldn't be placed fifth on his list.

Jaws is one of the easier analysts on ESPN to listen to.

BigBlue1971
07-06-2012, 01:14 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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i think Eli should be ahead of Peyton at this point! hard to jump ahead of Brees, Rodgers and Brady although he did play better down the stretch than any of those guys.</P>


id rate Eli a solid 4th in the league now!</P>

GMENAGAIN
07-06-2012, 01:47 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</P>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</P>


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Totally agree.</P>


Ha ha . . . . look at the Eli picture that PFT has on its article about Eli being number 5 on Jaws' list . . . .</P>


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/06/jaws-eli-now-locked-in-as-top-five-quarterback/</P>

gumby742
07-06-2012, 01:55 PM
I think that's fair.

FBomb
07-06-2012, 02:44 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</P>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</P>


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Totally agree.</P>


Ha ha . . . . look at the Eli picture that PFT has on its article about Eli being number 5 on Jaws' list . . . .</P>


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/06/jaws-eli-now-locked-in-as-top-five-quarterback/</P>


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lol.....#5 is about right, but based on this picture what is his Dork rating?</P>

Bing Crosby
07-06-2012, 03:00 PM
lol.....#5 is about right, but based on this picture what is his Dork rating?

Looking at his wife, it must be good to be a dork in the 21st century lol. Plus are you still a dork when you a two time Superbowl MVP? Maybe, after all times are a changing and even being a "nerd" is in now.

Harooni
07-06-2012, 03:05 PM
hopefully Eli stays in 5th place because you got guys coming up and improving like cam and stafford

giantsfan420
07-06-2012, 03:21 PM
hopefully Eli stays in 5th place because you got guys coming up and improving like cam and stafford


improving is not something eli has to worry about. he too improves every season...those two guys u mention still have a lot of improving to do before they can be put anywhere near the level of qb eli is at now imo...

Harooni
07-06-2012, 03:26 PM
hopefully Eli stays in 5th place because you got guys coming up and improving like cam and stafford


improving is not something eli has to worry about. he too improves every season...those two guys u mention still have a lot of improving to do before they can be put anywhere near the level of qb eli is at now imo...


i agree, however 40+tds and 5k yards is nothing to sneeze at . lets not forget about big ben either.

miked1958
07-06-2012, 04:03 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
Yes they had mark S and another on the panel do the top 5 and mark had Eli 5th behind his brother. The other guy had Eli 4th

miked1958
07-06-2012, 04:04 PM
I think this will finally be the yr Eli separates himself from these other QBs

jomo
07-06-2012, 04:24 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</P>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</P>I agree. Along with Eli, they represent the top tier in NFL quarterbacks with an asterik for Peyton. We aren't sure whether he's done or not. If healthy, he belongs in this group without a doubt.

Gmen2005
07-06-2012, 04:32 PM
5 works for me, although I really don't care about ratings. All I know is the Giants won the superbowl, and that's all that matters.

burier
07-06-2012, 04:40 PM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

gumby742
07-06-2012, 04:48 PM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.</P>


beginning of last year you mean?</P>

JesseJames
07-06-2012, 05:10 PM
I think a 5 is a fair rating because a lot of people in the media still remember the Eli who throws foolish picks and had his problems with inconsistency and its a hard thing to change peoples minds and it takes time...

RoanokeFan
07-06-2012, 05:21 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.


How can you complain about the top 5? Who else in the Division is in the top 5?

JacksGiant76
07-06-2012, 05:58 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.


How can you complain about the top 5? Who else in the Division is in the top 5?


Exactly! During the Dave Brown years, we would be begging for a top 5 QB. I'll take the 2 superbowls and top 5 ranking.

Neverend
07-06-2012, 06:16 PM
I have no problem with the ranking. Would've put him ahead of peyton tho

888888
07-06-2012, 06:17 PM
If Peyton M was our QB we wouldn't want him removed from the list because of 1 injury season... Don't forget what big bro can do .. its like having the offensive coordinator take the snaps

scf424
07-06-2012, 07:01 PM
Everyone needs to stop being so butthurt over these rankings.

He's not the best QB in the league until he cuts down the turnovers.

Top 5 is perfect.

Dorkasaurus
07-06-2012, 07:39 PM
Who the hell cares of his "ranking" ****ing reallly !!!!He has two SB rings and two SB MVPs lets get another one !!!!!</P>

RagTime Blue
07-06-2012, 07:42 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</p>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</p>


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Totally agree.</p>


Ha ha . . . . look at the Eli picture that PFT has on its article about Eli being number 5 on Jaws' list . . . .</p>


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/06/jaws-eli-now-locked-in-as-top-five-quarterback/</p>

Hahaaa, he looks like almost a big a geek as his older brother!

lawl
07-06-2012, 09:55 PM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol.

Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too.

Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many

giantsfan420
07-07-2012, 12:05 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol.

Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too.

Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many

wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc.

he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006...

so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN

eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?

lawl
07-07-2012, 02:40 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>

giantsfan420
07-07-2012, 03:16 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>

brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too.

he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds...

if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE

giantsfan420
07-07-2012, 03:19 AM
and he had great seasons, as i wrote in my first response to u, in 05, 08, 09, and 2011.

he had good seasons 2006, 07 and 2010

Captain Chaos
07-07-2012, 06:48 AM
I got no issues with 5th. Until the INTS come down thats a pretty fair assessment. Its not like he is below Romo, Flacco, or Big Ben

I have to absolutely agree with you on that. Love Eli to death but he's got room to improve. I think that is what makes this team so dangerous, they won the SB last year and none of the G-men (save Cruz) had their best year...

Diamondring
07-07-2012, 07:25 AM
Eli can only do within the system and do some extra things wich he did last season and that is make little mistakes. Some good players can take some of those mistakes and make something big like Cruz. Eli already knows how to put up stats better than Breese and the other qbs ahead of him.

miked1958
07-07-2012, 10:48 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>

brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too.

he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds...

if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE
I guess the question becomes do we want a QB that puts up numbers every yr like Bree's, Peyton, Rodgers ( which don't win SBs twice in five seasons) or do like Eli does and have avg seasons but gets it done when we need him to to bring home SB rings.. I choose the latter.

By the way I didnt include Brady in that even though Eli has won the two head to head SBs. Brady has done something none of the others have winning 3/4 seasons....

If Eli can win this season he will have more SB rings (4) to Brady's (3) but still would only have 3 in 6 seasons where the Pats fans will point out their QB in his prime won 3 in 4 seasons..

nycisgreat
07-07-2012, 10:50 AM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</P>


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I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</P>

I agree. I think it would be fair to say the QBs mentioned are all most likely going to the HOF.

miked1958
07-07-2012, 10:57 AM
I would stack Eli against Bree's, Rodgers, Peyton, Marino and many others that have had tons of record setting seasons compared to Eli.

Reason is when it's all said and done people count SB rings. And at last count the great Marino didn't have any in his stellar career and the other 3 only have one each so far... Eli has two and I wouldn't trade that for any of the record setting seasons the others have had

lawl
07-07-2012, 05:44 PM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE</P>


Welcome to the new NFL where rookies throw for 4000 yards. Greatness in competition is judged by how you compare to your peers. </P>


as for him playing great in 05 08</P>


in 05- 4 players had more yards,13 had a better td/in ratio and 30 quarterbacks had higher comp %. This is not great.</P>


08 - 18 qbs had a better comp %, 16 qbs had more yardage, 7 qbs had a better td/int ratio. This is not great.</P>


09 he was awesome, you're right.</P>


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lawl
07-07-2012, 05:45 PM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE I guess the question becomes do we want a QB that puts up numbers every yr like Bree's, Peyton, Rodgers ( which don't win SBs twice in five seasons) or do like Eli does and have avg seasons but gets it done when we need him to to bring home SB rings.. I choose the latter. By the way I didnt include Brady in that even though Eli has won the two head to head SBs. Brady has done something none of the others have winning 3/4 seasons.... If Eli can win this season he will have more SB rings (4) to Brady's (3) but still would only have 3 in 6 seasons where the Pats fans will point out their QB in his prime won 3 in 4 seasons..</P>


I didnt know Eli was on the '91 squad.</P>

giantsfan420
07-07-2012, 09:11 PM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE</P>


Welcome to the new NFL where rookies throw for 4000 yards. Greatness in competition is judged by how you compare to your peers. </P>


as for him playing great in 05 08</P>


in 05- 4 players had more yards,*13 had a better td/in ratio and 30 quarterbacks had higher comp %. This is not great.</P>


08 - 18 qbs had a better comp %, 16 qbs had more yardage, 7 qbs had a better td/int ratio. This is not great.</P>


09 he was awesome, you're right.</P>


*</P>

ur proven my point unfortunately. and that is, it is erroneous to base a statement like he played great solely on td passes and who had more or not. eli played great in 05, and in 08. first season as a starter and he led us to the playoffs on a very strong season.

and 08, we had the first ranked run game, which is in large part to eli even. and we broke a record for fewest turnovers in a season. eli was most certainly great in 08 as well.

to each his own tho...

lawl
07-07-2012, 09:53 PM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE</P>


Welcome to the new NFL where rookies throw for 4000 yards. Greatness in competition is judged by how you compare to your peers. </P>


as for him playing great in 05 08</P>


in 05- 4 players had more yards,*13 had a better td/in ratio and 30 quarterbacks had higher comp %. This is not great.</P>


08 - 18 qbs had a better comp %, 16 qbs had more yardage, 7 qbs had a better td/int ratio. This is not great.</P>


09 he was awesome, you're right.</P>


*</P>

ur proven my point unfortunately. and that is, it is erroneous to base a statement like he played great solely on td passes and who had more or not. eli played great in 05, and in 08. first season as a starter and he led us to the playoffs on a very strong season.

and 08, we had the first ranked run game, which is in large part to eli even. and we broke a record for fewest turnovers in a season. eli was most certainly great in 08 as well.

to each his own tho...

So had Joe flacco had multiple great years? How about Matt cassel two years ago and the year he started for the patriots? mark Sanchez in his back to back trips to afccg? Mart Ryan? He's great too.



Your definition of great is more along the lines of the word average.

Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous. Obviously, flacco and Ryan are the reason for their great run games too. Hell, so is Alex Smith. He was great this year too

JJC7301
07-07-2012, 10:41 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
</P>


*</P>


hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</P>


*</P>


I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</P>
Agreed. An argument could be made to put Rothlisberger at # 5, but I'd prefer to have Eli. All of the guys list 1 - 4 always have incredible stats every year. I'd put them ahead of Eli as well, and that's certainly no knock against Eli.

If he wins 1 more SB, then I'd start rethinking that ranking.

giantsfan420
07-08-2012, 02:27 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE</P>


Welcome to the new NFL where rookies throw for 4000 yards. Greatness in competition is judged by how you compare to your peers. </P>


as for him playing great in 05 08</P>


in 05- 4 players had more yards,*13 had a better td/in ratio and 30 quarterbacks had higher comp %. This is not great.</P>


08 - 18 qbs had a better comp %, 16 qbs had more yardage, 7 qbs had a better td/int ratio. This is not great.</P>


09 he was awesome, you're right.</P>


*</P>

ur proven my point unfortunately. and that is, it is erroneous to base a statement like he played great solely on td passes and who had more or not. eli played great in 05, and in 08. first season as a starter and he led us to the playoffs on a very strong season.

and 08, we had the first ranked run game, which is in large part to eli even. and we broke a record for fewest turnovers in a season. eli was most certainly great in 08 as well.

to each his own tho...

So had Joe flacco had multiple great years? How about Matt cassel two years ago and the year he started for the patriots? mark Sanchez in his back to back trips to afccg? Mart Ryan? He's great too.



Your definition of great is more along the lines of the word average.

Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous. Obviously, flacco and Ryan are the reason for their great run games too. Hell, so is Alex Smith. He was great this year too

lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?

more like your definition of great is record setting...

eli did play great in 05 and in 08 whether you want to admit it or not. seeing as he didnt pass for 50 tds and 4600 yds, we get it, u dont feel it was great...any objective person who doesnt base level of play solely on a number of td passes can see that easily.

lmfao, yeah, bc joe flacco ever played as well as eli did in 08, matt cassel lmfao...sanchez too wow ur reaching badly...lmfao...u do realize ur stance is the poster boy for why basing an opinion based on a number is so flawed...you do realize that a number like td passes or yards doesnt tell u near enough to make an informed decision right?

look at eli's completion % for example. 62 or 63 % whatever it is, isn't as good as some other qbs. but when u put those numbers into context, such as understanding we run a downfield, vertical passing attack, that the pass attempts are going to have a lower chance of success. our offense led the nfl in pass attempts and pass completions of 20 yds or more. eli's % then can correctly be inferred that it is actually better than another arbitrary qb with a higher completion % number bc he was completing much more difficult throws with lower rates of success...

or you could look at 08 and see we had the top ranked run game, which throughout the season, eli was getting tremendous praise for bc of the checks he was making and all presnap stuff he does. the rb's and ol were praising eli for the success of the run game, even though he isnt physically running the ball or blocking. we also led the league with fewest turnovers (set an nfl record), we were 11-1 at one point and unanimously labeled as dominant (up until the plex incident) and not one educated football mind would say eli wasnt having a great year...

time makes fools of us all tho and memories arent what they used to be...

dont even want to go in depth with 05, if i have to try and get u to concede he had a great year there, then it aint even worth it...

Roswell777
07-08-2012, 04:24 AM
I've just read the thread and a few things come to mind.

Everyone's definition of what great is differs. At this point it is fair to say that Eli is a great post season QB (8 - 3, two rings) and is becoming an excellent regular season QB. He still needs more regular season consistency in my opinion.

That being said, if, and admittedly, this is a big if, he should go on to win one more SB in the fashion that he helped win the first two, (last minute drive for a TD to win), then I believe he could be considered the greatest clutch QB of all time. Maybe that's a bold statement, but Im hard pressed to think of anyone in NFL history who would've equaled that feat.

One thing is for sure, at least no one is questioning the trade to bring him to NY anymore.

nygfanmaybe
07-08-2012, 08:17 AM
Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous.

Really? Ludicrous? The OL and RB's were certainly playing at a high level, but to say that Eli didn't have anything to do with their succes would be equally as ludicrous, IMO. It's not just a comment from an Eli homer, I would say that about any QB that is capable of looking at what the D is setting up for, like how many in the box, etc., and then check to a play that he thinks will be more successful. Obviously, it doesn't always work, because sometimes they get sneaky about that thing...but a QB most certainly does contribute.

Flip Empty
07-08-2012, 09:11 AM
One thing is for sure, at least no one is questioning the trade to bring him to NY anymore.
I reckon I could find a few...













http://i.imgur.com/eN1LD.jpg

jax5338
07-08-2012, 12:56 PM
5 seems about right.

eli puts up nice stats, but he will never have inflated stats under coughlin and gilbride because they will always try to establish the run. not to say it's a bad thing, it has won the gmen 2 superbowls.

but look at brees, brady, and rodgers and when they are playing weaker teams and still throwing on them and burying them on the scoreboard into the 4th quarter. the giants just dont do that, they play a more conservative game and just try to eat clock when they have a lead.

this is why i think eli will never have very inflated stats like 40+ TDs, and also why the giants don't blow teams out as often as others. they never really go for the kill, they kinda just play it safe and really they could just run up the scores like these other teams.

Roswell777
07-08-2012, 02:21 PM
One thing is for sure, at least no one is questioning the trade to bring him to NY anymore.
I reckon I could find a few...













http://i.imgur.com/eN1LD.jpg

I stand corrected.

giantsfan420
07-08-2012, 02:51 PM
Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous.

Really? Ludicrous? The OL and RB's were certainly playing at a high level, but to say that Eli didn't have anything to do with their succes would be equally as ludicrous, IMO. It's not just a comment from an Eli homer, I would say that about any QB that is capable of looking at what the D is setting up for, like how many in the box, etc., and then check to a play that he thinks will be more successful. Obviously, it doesn't always work, because sometimes they get sneaky about that thing...but a QB most certainly does contribute.

his stance is that since the run game and d were playing great, it means the qb cant be lmfao

Crazy 88
07-08-2012, 05:11 PM
Eli IS #5 in the NFL... Still he's #1 in my book.

Crazy 88
07-08-2012, 05:11 PM
Eli IS #5 in the NFL... Still he's #1 in my book.

Harooni
07-08-2012, 10:14 PM
No surprise here, wouldn't expect former-Eagle and notorious Giants hater Jaws to give Eli the credit he deserves.

I guess he picked him as a top 5... behind 2 guys he beat in the playoffs, a guy who leads a team he swept last year and a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half. Eli has more rings than 3 of those guys, and more SB MVPs as well.

Should at least be above Peyton, considering we have no idea if Peyton is still the QB he was.
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</p>


hard to discredit Breez, Brady, Peyton, or Rodgers</p>


</p>


I think it was a fair ranking as of right now</p>


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Totally agree.</p>


Ha ha . . . . look at the Eli picture that PFT has on its article about Eli being number 5 on Jaws' list . . . .</p>


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/06/jaws-eli-now-locked-in-as-top-five-quarterback/</p>


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lol.....#5 is about right, but based on this picture what is his Dork rating?</p>
lmao approaching screech level

lawl
07-09-2012, 12:30 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE</P>


Welcome to the new NFL where rookies throw for 4000 yards. Greatness in competition is judged by how you compare to your peers. </P>


as for him playing great in 05 08</P>


in 05- 4 players had more yards,*13 had a better td/in ratio and 30 quarterbacks had higher comp %. This is not great.</P>


08 - 18 qbs had a better comp %, 16 qbs had more yardage, 7 qbs had a better td/int ratio. This is not great.</P>


09 he was awesome, you're right.</P>


*</P>

ur proven my point unfortunately. and that is, it is erroneous to base a statement like he played great solely on td passes and who had more or not. eli played great in 05, and in 08. first season as a starter and he led us to the playoffs on a very strong season.

and 08, we had the first ranked run game, which is in large part to eli even. and we broke a record for fewest turnovers in a season. eli was most certainly great in 08 as well.

to each his own tho...

So had Joe flacco had multiple great years? How about Matt cassel two years ago and the year he started for the patriots? mark Sanchez in his back to back trips to afccg? Mart Ryan? He's great too.



Your definition of great is more along the lines of the word average.

Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous. Obviously, flacco and Ryan are the reason for their great run games too. Hell, so is Alex Smith. He was great this year too

lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?

more like your definition of great is record setting...

eli did play great in 05 and in 08 whether you want to admit it or not. seeing as he didnt pass for 50 tds and 4600 yds, we get it, u dont feel it was great...any objective person who doesnt base level of play solely on a number of td passes can see that easily.

lmfao, yeah, bc joe flacco ever played as well as eli did in 08, matt cassel lmfao...sanchez too wow ur reaching badly...lmfao...u do realize ur stance is the poster boy for why basing an opinion based on a number is so flawed...you do realize that a number like td passes or yards doesnt tell u near enough to make an informed decision right?

look at eli's completion % for example. 62 or 63 % whatever it is, isn't as good as some other qbs. but when u put those numbers into context, such as understanding we run a downfield, vertical passing attack, that the pass attempts are going to have a lower chance of success. our offense led the nfl in pass attempts and pass completions of 20 yds or more. eli's % then can correctly be inferred that it is actually better than another arbitrary qb with a higher completion % number bc he was completing much more difficult throws with lower rates of success...

or you could look at 08 and see we had the top ranked run game, which throughout the season, eli was getting tremendous praise for bc of the checks he was making and all presnap stuff he does. the rb's and ol were praising eli for the success of the run game, even though he isnt physically running the ball or blocking. we also led the league with fewest turnovers (set an nfl record), we were 11-1 at one point and unanimously labeled as dominant (up until the plex incident) and not one educated football mind would say eli wasnt having a great year...

time makes fools of us all tho and memories arent what they used to be...

dont even want to go in depth with 05, if i have to try and get u to concede he had a great year there, then it aint even worth it...

Matt cassel 2010- 27 tds 7 ints, team was 12-4

Joe flacco 2010- 25 tds 10 ints 3600 yds team went to playoffs

I guess if your name isn't Eli then you can't have "great" seasons

Seasons like Eli had in 05 and 08 happen all the time. Common occurrences are not great.

lawl
07-09-2012, 12:32 AM
Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous.

Really? Ludicrous? The OL and RB's were certainly playing at a high level, but to say that Eli didn't have anything to do with their succes would be equally as ludicrous, IMO. It's not just a comment from an Eli homer, I would say that about any QB that is capable of looking at what the D is setting up for, like how many in the box, etc., and then check to a play that he thinks will be more successful. Obviously, it doesn't always work, because sometimes they get sneaky about that thing...but a QB most certainly does contribute.

his stance is that since the run game and d were playing great, it means the qb cant be lmfao

Yes, because I clearly said that.

oh wait, no I didn't. Focus on the conversation instead of laughing your *** off. it'll be much more constructive.

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 12:39 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE</P>


Welcome to the new NFL where rookies throw for 4000 yards. Greatness in competition is judged by how you compare to your peers. </P>


as for him playing great in 05 08</P>


in 05- 4 players had more yards,*13 had a better td/in ratio and 30 quarterbacks had higher comp %. This is not great.</P>


08 - 18 qbs had a better comp %, 16 qbs had more yardage, 7 qbs had a better td/int ratio. This is not great.</P>


09 he was awesome, you're right.</P>


*</P>

ur proven my point unfortunately. and that is, it is erroneous to base a statement like he played great solely on td passes and who had more or not. eli played great in 05, and in 08. first season as a starter and he led us to the playoffs on a very strong season.

and 08, we had the first ranked run game, which is in large part to eli even. and we broke a record for fewest turnovers in a season. eli was most certainly great in 08 as well.

to each his own tho...

So had Joe flacco had multiple great years? How about Matt cassel two years ago and the year he started for the patriots? mark Sanchez in his back to back trips to afccg? Mart Ryan? He's great too.



Your definition of great is more along the lines of the word average.

Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous. Obviously, flacco and Ryan are the reason for their great run games too. Hell, so is Alex Smith. He was great this year too

lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?

more like your definition of great is record setting...

eli did play great in 05 and in 08 whether you want to admit it or not. seeing as he didnt pass for 50 tds and 4600 yds, we get it, u dont feel it was great...any objective person who doesnt base level of play solely on a number of td passes can see that easily.

lmfao, yeah, bc joe flacco ever played as well as eli did in 08, matt cassel lmfao...sanchez too wow ur reaching badly...lmfao...u do realize ur stance is the poster boy for why basing an opinion based on a number is so flawed...you do realize that a number like td passes or yards doesnt tell u near enough to make an informed decision right?

look at eli's completion % for example. 62 or 63 % whatever it is, isn't as good as some other qbs. but when u put those numbers into context, such as understanding we run a downfield, vertical passing attack, that the pass attempts are going to have a lower chance of success. our offense led the nfl in pass attempts and pass completions of 20 yds or more. eli's % then can correctly be inferred that it is actually better than another arbitrary qb with a higher completion % number bc he was completing much more difficult throws with lower rates of success...

or you could look at 08 and see we had the top ranked run game, which throughout the season, eli was getting tremendous praise for bc of the checks he was making and all presnap stuff he does. the rb's and ol were praising eli for the success of the run game, even though he isnt physically running the ball or blocking. we also led the league with fewest turnovers (set an nfl record), we were 11-1 at one point and unanimously labeled as dominant (up until the plex incident) and not one educated football mind would say eli wasnt having a great year...

time makes fools of us all tho and memories arent what they used to be...

dont even want to go in depth with 05, if i have to try and get u to concede he had a great year there, then it aint even worth it...

Matt cassel 2010- 27 tds 7 ints, team was 12-4

Joe flacco 2010- 25 tds 10 ints 3600 yds team went to playoffs

I guess if your name isn't Eli then you can't have "great" seasons

Seasons like Eli had in 05 and 08 happen all the time. Common occurrences are not great.

u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

what is the context behind those numbers?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

buffyblue
07-09-2012, 02:25 AM
I would have only ranked Tom Brady higher than Eli Manning at this point. One of the things Tom Brady does that reminds me of Eli Manning is that he does make the best of the situation and develops the recievers around him. Also, as much as folks want to knock the guy, just like Eli Manning, he has no quit in him. That is my opinion.

Ron Jaworski was very flatterring in what he had to say about Eli Manning it is his opinion to rank him at #5. I have no problem with that.

Funny that I have seen folks on here actually argueing that Eli Manning was average till last season and I have no idea what types of drugs those folks are doing because Eli Manning is a great QB. The guy has thrown for over 3,000 yds and 20 TDs for seven straight seasons and never missed a game. He has led us to 2 SuperBowl Champiopnships and has 2 SuperBowl MVPs so far. He was awesome in the postseason in 2007 and had arguably the best 4th quarter for a QB in SuperBowl history. He actually dictated the course of that game by orchestrating and leading the longest opening drive in SuperBowl history and keeping the great Tom Brady on the bench for the first 9:59.

Eli Manning has come through time and time again. I can understand if folks want to argue stats and placement but to claim that he has been average till last year is just ridiculous.

buffyblue
07-09-2012, 02:39 AM
There is noone I would choose over Eli Manning to be QuarterBack of NY Giants.

bELIeve_in_Giants
07-09-2012, 09:46 AM
Before last season Eli said yes when asked if he was a "top 5 QB". He went out and proved that he was. #5 is a great rating and just about right.

gumby742
07-09-2012, 10:12 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many wtf? eli has had many great seasons too...if u were expecting last season to be elis barometer from when he came into the league, ur crazy. in fact, he actually had last season along schedule. he's been steadily improving year after year. last season didnt just come out of nowhere, it was the continued progression from 2010. 2010 was the progression from 2009 etc etc. he had great seasons in 2005 2008 2009 2011. good seasons in 2010, 2007, 2006... so funny how his career is slighted for the sole reason that his season td total isnt as high as some other qbs (who run a much more aggressive, emphasis on the passing game way more than the run game schemes) Like we are prob the most successful franchise since 2005...eli has the highest win % of any qb in the nfc since 2005, prob the nfl he's right behind tom and his brother...like he does one thing as well as any qb to ever play the game; WIN eli's done things that only a small handful of qbs have done, all of em being HOF's...can this reducing elis play based on erroneous, faulty reasoning end once and for all, giants nation wide?</P>


many great seasons?</P>


when?</P>


When has he ever had seasons that match up to Brady's, Rodger's and Brees' of this year? </P>


All the years you mentioned, there were multiple qbs that outperformed him. Perhaps your definition of great is different than mine.</P>


This is the only year in his entire career where he put it together for an entire season</P>


brady rodgers and brees are having more than great seasons, theyre having record setting seasons...and yes, eli is too. he is playing at their level. he's right there up there with them. now i know eli doesnt have the number of td passes to int ratio of those guys, and that likely means ur not willing to look into the matter any deeper, but a qb can have a great season and not throw for 50 tds... if putting up brees, brady and rodgers numbers is how a qb is gonna be great, then we've only had 3 great qbs in the history of the nfl...no ones come close to their stats, NO ONE</P>


Welcome to the new NFL where rookies throw for 4000 yards. Greatness in competition is judged by how you compare to your peers. </P>


as for him playing great in 05 08</P>


in 05- 4 players had more yards,13 had a better td/in ratio and 30 quarterbacks had higher comp %. This is not great.</P>


08 - 18 qbs had a better comp %, 16 qbs had more yardage, 7 qbs had a better td/int ratio. This is not great.</P>


09 he was awesome, you're right.</P>


</P>


ur proven my point unfortunately. and that is, it is erroneous to base a statement like he played great solely on td passes and who had more or not. eli played great in 05, and in 08. first season as a starter and he led us to the playoffs on a very strong season. and 08, we had the first ranked run game, which is in large part to eli even. and we broke a record for fewest turnovers in a season. eli was most certainly great in 08 as well. to each his own tho... So had Joe flacco had multiple great years? How about Matt cassel two years ago and the year he started for the patriots? mark Sanchez in his back to back trips to afccg? Mart Ryan? He's great too. Your definition of great is more along the lines of the word average. Our dominant ol and run game isn't because of Eli in 08. It was because of their own talent. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous. Obviously, flacco and Ryan are the reason for their great run games too. Hell, so is Alex Smith. He was great this year too lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great? more like your definition of great is record setting... eli did play great in 05 and in 08 whether you want to admit it or not. seeing as he didnt pass for 50 tds and 4600 yds, we get it, u dont feel it was great...any objective person who doesnt base level of play solely on a number of td passes can see that easily. lmfao, yeah, bc joe flacco ever played as well as eli did in 08, matt cassel lmfao...sanchez too wow ur reaching badly...lmfao...u do realize ur stance is the poster boy for why basing an opinion based on a number is so flawed...you do realize that a number like td passes or yards doesnt tell u near enough to make an informed decision right? look at eli's completion % for example. 62 or 63 % whatever it is, isn't as good as some other qbs. but when u put those numbers into context, such as understanding we run a downfield, vertical passing attack, that the pass attempts are going to have a lower chance of success. our offense led the nfl in pass attempts and pass completions of 20 yds or more. eli's % then can correctly be inferred that it is actually better than another arbitrary qb with a higher completion % number bc he was completing much more difficult throws with lower rates of success... or you could look at 08 and see we had the top ranked run game, which throughout the season, eli was getting tremendous praise for bc of the checks he was making and all presnap stuff he does. the rb's and ol were praising eli for the success of the run game, even though he isnt physically running the ball or blocking. we also led the league with fewest turnovers (set an nfl record), we were 11-1 at one point and unanimously labeled as dominant (up until the plex incident) and not one educated football mind would say eli wasnt having a great year... time makes fools of us all tho and memories arent what they used to be... dont even want to go in depth with 05, if i have to try and get u to concede he had a great year there, then it aint even worth it... Matt cassel 2010- 27 tds 7 ints, team was 12-4 Joe flacco 2010- 25 tds 10 ints 3600 yds team went to playoffs I guess if your name isn't Eli then you can't have "great" seasons Seasons like Eli had in 05 and 08 happen all the time. Common occurrences are not great. u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right? what is the context behind those numbers? i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic. its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares</P>


Here's a homework assignment for you. Maybe this will get you to think a little bit. The topic is: Explain why Alex Smith is not a great QB. Especially, given everything he's gone through.</P>

burier
07-09-2012, 10:37 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol.

Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too.

Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many

Someone else got into the Bath salts.

Dying to hear the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Eli.

lawl
07-09-2012, 10:57 AM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lawl
07-09-2012, 10:59 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol.

Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too.

Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many

Someone else got into the Bath salts.

Dying to hear the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Eli.

Right now or before '11 started?

burier
07-09-2012, 11:00 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol.

Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too.

Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many

Someone else got into the Bath salts.

Dying to hear the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Eli.

Right now or before '11 started?

Why don't you give us both.

lawl
07-09-2012, 11:06 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol.

Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too.

Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many

Someone else got into the Bath salts.

Dying to hear the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Eli.

Right now or before '11 started?

Why don't you give us both.
Right now, I don't think there are 5.

After 2010. There was brees Brady Rodgers Ben rivers all playing at a higher level than him. I don't include Peyton because he wasn't going to play this year...Atleast I'm not as critical of him as his fellow players are. ( wasnt a top 10 qb on the dumb top 100 list that year)

burier
07-09-2012, 11:24 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year.

He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot.

Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol.

Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too.

Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many

Someone else got into the Bath salts.

Dying to hear the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Eli.

Right now or before '11 started?

Why don't you give us both.
Right now, I don't think there are 5.

After 2010. There was brees Brady Rodgers Ben rivers all playing at a higher level than him. I don't include Peyton because he wasn't going to play this year...Atleast I'm not as critical of him as his fellow players are. ( wasnt a top 10 qb on the dumb top 100 list that year)

well I give you credit for admitting there arent 5 QBs better than him currently.

Categorically disagree that Rivers and Rothlisburger were playing better at any point post 07 but I don't think your opinion is invalid.

gumby742
07-09-2012, 11:25 AM
The problem with Eli being ranked 5 is it says that Eli didn't leap anyone this year. He was the 5th best quarterback going into the season. Surely after the year he had he moved up at least one spot. Eli wasnt the fifth best qb in the league going into this season lol. Regardless, everyone else that was already above him had great years too. Eli has had one great season his entire career. These other guys have had many Someone else got into the Bath salts. Dying to hear the 5 guys you'd put ahead of Eli. Right now or before '11 started? Why don't you give us both. Right now, I don't think there are 5. After 2010. There was brees Brady Rodgers Ben rivers all playing at a higher level than him. I don't include Peyton because he wasn't going to play this year...Atleast I'm not as critical of him as his fellow players are. ( wasnt a top 10 qb on the dumb top 100 list that year) well I give you credit for admitting there arent 5 QBs better than him currently. Categorically disagree that Rivers and Rothlisburger were playing better at any point post 07 but I don't think your opinion is invalid.</P>


I'm impressed.</P>

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 12:53 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lol. so after 05, u didnt think eli had a great year? and after 08, you didnt think eli had a great year?

and ur post is horrible illogical. i never said flacco or cassel cant have great years. you posted two numbers, and went "see?" i merely tried pointing out, poorly i guess, that just stating numbers like u did to try and make the point u tried to make is moronic. what was the context of those numbers? how did the offense play, were they successful, etc etc...u, for whatever reason, dont seem able to do that.
when u tried using those specific qbs as an example tho, i found it hilarious bc while the numbers may have been somewhat similar, the context of those numbers differs, tremendously. i watched cassel, and plenty of sanchez, they were no where near the level of play that eli was at.

for some reason, u are using the solid rushing attack in 08 as a means to say that he didnt produce above avg and then again, use the run games contribution to go "see he didnt produce."
ever think of it that eli didnt need to do more with the success our run game had? just bc the run game was playing great, doesnt mean eli couldnt play great, again, something u seem unable to grasp. eli just wouldnt need to contribute AS MUCH. example, say the run game was better this season, and instead of 5k, eli threw for 4k, every thing else was on the same level, would u then say he had another avg season? i maintain if everything else in his game was the same, he just didnt need to throw 100 times more bc the run game produced, i can still say eli had as good a year perception wise as if he threw for 5k...bc i dont base my opinion on a number which u seem to be doing for some reason.

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 01:04 PM
context: in 05, Eli was making his debut as full time starter heading into the season. coming off a dismal 04 season, there were many questions abd doubts with the giants. the bar was low, expectations were low.
all eli did was throw for like 3600, 25 tds and 15 ints (around those numbers, cant remember them exactly) and led the team to a playoff birth, and was competitive in the east after years of not being competitive.
Eli absolutely had a great year.

In 08, we were coming off an improbable, "lucky" sb run. all the questions remained, and in some regard, were amplified bc now we were SB champs and people wanted to know if it had merit. After the 07 run, the one main knock on eli seemed to be the ints.
Eli again has like 3600 yards, 25 tds, and 10 ints, leading the giants to a 12-4 record (11-1 at one point before plex incident) we had beaten the best teams in the league, and the two eventual sb contenders. the run game was awesome, which meant what was required from the qb spot was lowered. eli was still excellent. extremely effecient and productive. he also helped tremendously in the run game, setting up the proper checks and audibles.
in context, eli had a great 08 season.

no offense, u know i respect u and think ur a good dude...ur whole stance here is seriously flawed and moronic. your using a couple numbers to base an opinion on that needs a whole lot more thought than that...its just true. ur and gumbys thought process is flawed. read cosells latest article on eli, he specifically addresses how erroneous it is to look at numbers and use that as a defining process of a qb, again, bc they provide absolutely zero context.

lawl
07-09-2012, 01:19 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lol. so after 05, u didnt think eli had a great year? and after 08, you didnt think eli had a great year?

and ur post is horrible illogical. i never said flacco or cassel cant have great years. you posted two numbers, and went "see?" i merely tried pointing out, poorly i guess, that just stating numbers like u did to try and make the point u tried to make is moronic. what was the context of those numbers? how did the offense play, were they successful, etc etc...u, for whatever reason, dont seem able to do that.
when u tried using those specific qbs as an example tho, i found it hilarious bc while the numbers may have been somewhat similar, the context of those numbers differs, tremendously. i watched cassel, and plenty of sanchez, they were no where near the level of play that eli was at.

for some reason, u are using the solid rushing attack in 08 as a means to say that he didnt produce above avg and then again, use the run games contribution to go "see he didnt produce."
ever think of it that eli didnt need to do more with the success our run game had? just bc the run game was playing great, doesnt mean eli couldnt play great, again, something u seem unable to grasp. eli just wouldnt need to contribute AS MUCH. example, say the run game was better this season, and instead of 5k, eli threw for 4k, every thing else was on the same level, would u then say he had another avg season? i maintain if everything else in his game was the same, he just didnt need to throw 100 times more bc the run game produced, i can still say eli had as good a year perception wise as if he threw for 5k...bc i dont base my opinion on a number which u seem to be doing for some reason.

You watched every chiefs game in 2010?

Then certainly you remember Matt Cassel having an appendectomy. His team losing 31 0, then when he came back they won the next two games and were the number 1 seed in the AFC.

How's that for context

Gianthunter
07-09-2012, 04:48 PM
Always an assload of little bens brofriends in here. But gosh almighty I'm not gonna name names.[:$]

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 06:05 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lol. so after 05, u didnt think eli had a great year? and after 08, you didnt think eli had a great year?

and ur post is horrible illogical. i never said flacco or cassel cant have great years. you posted two numbers, and went "see?" i merely tried pointing out, poorly i guess, that just stating numbers like u did to try and make the point u tried to make is moronic. what was the context of those numbers? how did the offense play, were they successful, etc etc...u, for whatever reason, dont seem able to do that.
when u tried using those specific qbs as an example tho, i found it hilarious bc while the numbers may have been somewhat similar, the context of those numbers differs, tremendously. i watched cassel, and plenty of sanchez, they were no where near the level of play that eli was at.

for some reason, u are using the solid rushing attack in 08 as a means to say that he didnt produce above avg and then again, use the run games contribution to go "see he didnt produce."
ever think of it that eli didnt need to do more with the success our run game had? just bc the run game was playing great, doesnt mean eli couldnt play great, again, something u seem unable to grasp. eli just wouldnt need to contribute AS MUCH. example, say the run game was better this season, and instead of 5k, eli threw for 4k, every thing else was on the same level, would u then say he had another avg season? i maintain if everything else in his game was the same, he just didnt need to throw 100 times more bc the run game produced, i can still say eli had as good a year perception wise as if he threw for 5k...bc i dont base my opinion on a number which u seem to be doing for some reason.

You watched every chiefs game in 2010?

Then certainly you remember Matt Cassel having an appendectomy. His team losing 31 0, then when he came back they won the next two games and were the number 1 seed in the AFC.

How's that for context

two things,

1-i never said cassel cant have, and didnt have a great season. i dont know the context of his numbers, as i said. i doubt u watched every cheifs game, and therefore dont know the context of it as well.
sanchez, i did watch a lot of jets games, he was no where near the level of elis play in 05 or 08.

2- ill take ur focus on a pretty irrelevant to this topic point as a concession...

i've already provided two relevant, logical examples of why using a number to define a qb is flawed and well, wrong...

i am able to infer that for u, "great" seems to mean more of a like record setting application where as my definition of great is different. which is fine i guess. u use a number, and whether that number is larger or smaller than another players number, to define. i try and look at the total body of work, the throws, the situations, the success, the failure...basically the context.

Harooni
07-09-2012, 06:47 PM
you know simms wasnt the best QB in the league while his time playing, but we understood we did not whine like babies demanding he be thought of as the best or one of the best. It is what it is we loved him anyway and we never tried to put other giants and phases down to lift him up to hof status.

i suggest the eli crowd just learn to accept what it is and it should be good enough that eli is even mentioned with these guys.

Drez
07-09-2012, 07:12 PM
you know simms wasnt the best QB in the league while his time playing, but we understood we did not whine like babies demanding he be thought of as the best or one of the best. It is what it is we loved him anyway and we never tried to put other giants and phases down to lift him up to hof status.

i suggest the eli crowd just learn to accept what it is and it should be good enough that eli is even mentioned with these guys.

There were no message boards back then, either.

However, I think it's the anti-Eli crowd that has to accept that Eli is one of the top QBs in the league and stop looking for reasons to not admit it or deflect.

lawl
07-09-2012, 07:18 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lol. so after 05, u didnt think eli had a great year? and after 08, you didnt think eli had a great year?

and ur post is horrible illogical. i never said flacco or cassel cant have great years. you posted two numbers, and went "see?" i merely tried pointing out, poorly i guess, that just stating numbers like u did to try and make the point u tried to make is moronic. what was the context of those numbers? how did the offense play, were they successful, etc etc...u, for whatever reason, dont seem able to do that.
when u tried using those specific qbs as an example tho, i found it hilarious bc while the numbers may have been somewhat similar, the context of those numbers differs, tremendously. i watched cassel, and plenty of sanchez, they were no where near the level of play that eli was at.

for some reason, u are using the solid rushing attack in 08 as a means to say that he didnt produce above avg and then again, use the run games contribution to go "see he didnt produce."
ever think of it that eli didnt need to do more with the success our run game had? just bc the run game was playing great, doesnt mean eli couldnt play great, again, something u seem unable to grasp. eli just wouldnt need to contribute AS MUCH. example, say the run game was better this season, and instead of 5k, eli threw for 4k, every thing else was on the same level, would u then say he had another avg season? i maintain if everything else in his game was the same, he just didnt need to throw 100 times more bc the run game produced, i can still say eli had as good a year perception wise as if he threw for 5k...bc i dont base my opinion on a number which u seem to be doing for some reason.

You watched every chiefs game in 2010?

Then certainly you remember Matt Cassel having an appendectomy. His team losing 31 0, then when he came back they won the next two games and were the number 1 seed in the AFC.

How's that for context

two things,

1-i never said cassel cant have, and didnt have a great season. i dont know the context of his numbers, as i said. i doubt u watched every cheifs game, and therefore dont know the context of it as well.
sanchez, i did watch a lot of jets games, he was no where near the level of elis play in 05 or 08.

2- ill take ur focus on a pretty irrelevant to this topic point as a concession...

i've already provided two relevant, logical examples of why using a number to define a qb is flawed and well, wrong...

i am able to infer that for u, "great" seems to mean more of a like record setting application where as my definition of great is different. which is fine i guess. u use a number, and whether that number is larger or smaller than another players number, to define. i try and look at the total body of work, the throws, the situations, the success, the failure...basically the context.

I suggest you read the first quote of yours in this text block.

You are the one that set the barometer.for statistical comparison. Sarcastically asking that 3600 yds 27 tds and 10 isnt great. (it isn't a great statline by the way)

Great things aren't accomplished by 30% of qbs every year. Greatness is a relative term in relation to your peers' performance.

You also "lmfao" when I mentioned flacco cassel, and now all of a sudden claim that you didn't watch them enough to know.

You consistently dramatize situations to make eli's play in 05 and 08 look amazing. I can do the same thing... Mark Sanchez.was traded up for and had to deal with a head coaching change in the biggest city in the country. Additionally this new coach was so bold as to predict super bowl wins. Regardless of all this undue pressure put upon him, Sanchez remained steadfast and led his team to two straight championship games! Something not even the great Eli Manning can stake claim to.

I know, I should write novels huh?

Now I challenge you. Who else has ever had an average statline, had a great year, and isn't named Eli Manning?

lawl
07-09-2012, 07:20 PM
you know simms wasnt the best QB in the league while his time playing, but we understood we did not whine like babies demanding he be thought of as the best or one of the best. It is what it is we loved him anyway and we never tried to put other giants and phases down to lift him up to hof status.

i suggest the eli crowd just learn to accept what it is and it should be good enough that eli is even mentioned with these guys.

There were no message boards back then, either.

However, I think it's the anti-Eli crowd that has to accept that Eli is one of the top QBs in the league and stop looking for reasons to not admit it or deflect.

You won't find a single person on these boards (that's a giants fan) that doesn't think Eli is a top 6 qb

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 07:28 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lol. so after 05, u didnt think eli had a great year? and after 08, you didnt think eli had a great year?

and ur post is horrible illogical. i never said flacco or cassel cant have great years. you posted two numbers, and went "see?" i merely tried pointing out, poorly i guess, that just stating numbers like u did to try and make the point u tried to make is moronic. what was the context of those numbers? how did the offense play, were they successful, etc etc...u, for whatever reason, dont seem able to do that.
when u tried using those specific qbs as an example tho, i found it hilarious bc while the numbers may have been somewhat similar, the context of those numbers differs, tremendously. i watched cassel, and plenty of sanchez, they were no where near the level of play that eli was at.

for some reason, u are using the solid rushing attack in 08 as a means to say that he didnt produce above avg and then again, use the run games contribution to go "see he didnt produce."
ever think of it that eli didnt need to do more with the success our run game had? just bc the run game was playing great, doesnt mean eli couldnt play great, again, something u seem unable to grasp. eli just wouldnt need to contribute AS MUCH. example, say the run game was better this season, and instead of 5k, eli threw for 4k, every thing else was on the same level, would u then say he had another avg season? i maintain if everything else in his game was the same, he just didnt need to throw 100 times more bc the run game produced, i can still say eli had as good a year perception wise as if he threw for 5k...bc i dont base my opinion on a number which u seem to be doing for some reason.

You watched every chiefs game in 2010?

Then certainly you remember Matt Cassel having an appendectomy. His team losing 31 0, then when he came back they won the next two games and were the number 1 seed in the AFC.

How's that for context

two things,

1-i never said cassel cant have, and didnt have a great season. i dont know the context of his numbers, as i said. i doubt u watched every cheifs game, and therefore dont know the context of it as well.
sanchez, i did watch a lot of jets games, he was no where near the level of elis play in 05 or 08.

2- ill take ur focus on a pretty irrelevant to this topic point as a concession...

i've already provided two relevant, logical examples of why using a number to define a qb is flawed and well, wrong...

i am able to infer that for u, "great" seems to mean more of a like record setting application where as my definition of great is different. which is fine i guess. u use a number, and whether that number is larger or smaller than another players number, to define. i try and look at the total body of work, the throws, the situations, the success, the failure...basically the context.

I suggest you read the first quote of yours in this text block.

You are the one that set the barometer.for statistical comparison. Sarcastically asking that 3600 yds 27 tds and 10 isnt great. (it isn't a great statline by the way)

Great things aren't accomplished by 30% of qbs every year. Greatness is a relative term in relation to your peers' performance.

You also "lmfao" when I mentioned flacco cassel, and now all of a sudden claim that you didn't watch them enough to know.

You consistently dramatize situations to make eli's play in 05 and 08 look amazing. I can do the same thing... Mark Sanchez.was traded up for and had to deal with a head coaching change in the biggest city in the country. Additionally this new coach was so bold as to predict super bowl wins. Regardless of all this undue pressure put upon him, Sanchez remained steadfast and led his team to two straight championship games! Something not even the great Eli Manning can stake claim to.

I know, I should write novels huh?

Now I challenge you. Who else has ever had an average statline, had a great year, and isn't named Eli Manning?

lol.
"everything he just said is bull****"-my cuz vinny wanted to tell ya that...

just gonna drop this. pointless. he qb of the SB winning team, who was SB MVP, that led a DOMINANT giants team to 11-1 until plex shot it to hell, who had an amazignly effecient season, who helped the offense break a record for turnovers committed all the while ranking among the tops in ppg, didnt have a great season...your right.

theres not evn a need to watch the games anymore. just read the numbers across teh box score. they tell the complete story, lmfao

lawl
07-09-2012, 07:39 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lol. so after 05, u didnt think eli had a great year? and after 08, you didnt think eli had a great year?

and ur post is horrible illogical. i never said flacco or cassel cant have great years. you posted two numbers, and went "see?" i merely tried pointing out, poorly i guess, that just stating numbers like u did to try and make the point u tried to make is moronic. what was the context of those numbers? how did the offense play, were they successful, etc etc...u, for whatever reason, dont seem able to do that.
when u tried using those specific qbs as an example tho, i found it hilarious bc while the numbers may have been somewhat similar, the context of those numbers differs, tremendously. i watched cassel, and plenty of sanchez, they were no where near the level of play that eli was at.

for some reason, u are using the solid rushing attack in 08 as a means to say that he didnt produce above avg and then again, use the run games contribution to go "see he didnt produce."
ever think of it that eli didnt need to do more with the success our run game had? just bc the run game was playing great, doesnt mean eli couldnt play great, again, something u seem unable to grasp. eli just wouldnt need to contribute AS MUCH. example, say the run game was better this season, and instead of 5k, eli threw for 4k, every thing else was on the same level, would u then say he had another avg season? i maintain if everything else in his game was the same, he just didnt need to throw 100 times more bc the run game produced, i can still say eli had as good a year perception wise as if he threw for 5k...bc i dont base my opinion on a number which u seem to be doing for some reason.

You watched every chiefs game in 2010?

Then certainly you remember Matt Cassel having an appendectomy. His team losing 31 0, then when he came back they won the next two games and were the number 1 seed in the AFC.

How's that for context

two things,

1-i never said cassel cant have, and didnt have a great season. i dont know the context of his numbers, as i said. i doubt u watched every cheifs game, and therefore dont know the context of it as well.
sanchez, i did watch a lot of jets games, he was no where near the level of elis play in 05 or 08.

2- ill take ur focus on a pretty irrelevant to this topic point as a concession...

i've already provided two relevant, logical examples of why using a number to define a qb is flawed and well, wrong...

i am able to infer that for u, "great" seems to mean more of a like record setting application where as my definition of great is different. which is fine i guess. u use a number, and whether that number is larger or smaller than another players number, to define. i try and look at the total body of work, the throws, the situations, the success, the failure...basically the context.

I suggest you read the first quote of yours in this text block.

You are the one that set the barometer.for statistical comparison. Sarcastically asking that 3600 yds 27 tds and 10 isnt great. (it isn't a great statline by the way)

Great things aren't accomplished by 30% of qbs every year. Greatness is a relative term in relation to your peers' performance.

You also "lmfao" when I mentioned flacco cassel, and now all of a sudden claim that you didn't watch them enough to know.

You consistently dramatize situations to make eli's play in 05 and 08 look amazing. I can do the same thing... Mark Sanchez.was traded up for and had to deal with a head coaching change in the biggest city in the country. Additionally this new coach was so bold as to predict super bowl wins. Regardless of all this undue pressure put upon him, Sanchez remained steadfast and led his team to two straight championship games! Something not even the great Eli Manning can stake claim to.

I know, I should write novels huh?

Now I challenge you. Who else has ever had an average statline, had a great year, and isn't named Eli Manning?

lol.
"everything he just said is bull****"-my cuz vinny wanted to tell ya that...

just gonna drop this. pointless. he qb of the SB winning team, who was SB MVP, that led a DOMINANT giants team to 11-1 until plex shot it to hell, who had an amazignly effecient season, who helped the offense break a record for turnovers committed all the while ranking among the tops in ppg, didnt have a great season...your right.

theres not evn a need to watch the games anymore. just read the numbers across teh box score. they tell the complete story, lmfao

The run game and defense was dominant. Not the passing game. The role you're proclaiming as great that Eli played is the same role that Alex Smith played this year, the same role flacco has played, the same role cassel played in '10, and the same role Matt Ryan had played his entire career.

Elis sb MVP has no bearing on the 2008 season. You again randomly brought that up to dramatize your argument without actually saying anything. Plax shooting himself didn't ruin the season. The DL breaking down is what ruined the season.

Again. I challenge you to provide examples of qbs with average stats and great years. Oh yea, and their name isn't Eli Manning

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 08:04 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?




u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right?

i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic.

its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares

I was just using your own words/numbers against you. Why can Eli put up average numbers and still have a great year, but flacco and Cassel cant?

Other than Eli, when has any qb put up average stats and still had a great year?

It is not common knowledge that Eli had great years in 05 and 08. There were probably many more people that thought Eli wasnt a top 10 qb back then than thought he was playing great.

lol. so after 05, u didnt think eli had a great year? and after 08, you didnt think eli had a great year?

and ur post is horrible illogical. i never said flacco or cassel cant have great years. you posted two numbers, and went "see?" i merely tried pointing out, poorly i guess, that just stating numbers like u did to try and make the point u tried to make is moronic. what was the context of those numbers? how did the offense play, were they successful, etc etc...u, for whatever reason, dont seem able to do that.
when u tried using those specific qbs as an example tho, i found it hilarious bc while the numbers may have been somewhat similar, the context of those numbers differs, tremendously. i watched cassel, and plenty of sanchez, they were no where near the level of play that eli was at.

for some reason, u are using the solid rushing attack in 08 as a means to say that he didnt produce above avg and then again, use the run games contribution to go "see he didnt produce."
ever think of it that eli didnt need to do more with the success our run game had? just bc the run game was playing great, doesnt mean eli couldnt play great, again, something u seem unable to grasp. eli just wouldnt need to contribute AS MUCH. example, say the run game was better this season, and instead of 5k, eli threw for 4k, every thing else was on the same level, would u then say he had another avg season? i maintain if everything else in his game was the same, he just didnt need to throw 100 times more bc the run game produced, i can still say eli had as good a year perception wise as if he threw for 5k...bc i dont base my opinion on a number which u seem to be doing for some reason.

You watched every chiefs game in 2010?

Then certainly you remember Matt Cassel having an appendectomy. His team losing 31 0, then when he came back they won the next two games and were the number 1 seed in the AFC.

How's that for context

two things,

1-i never said cassel cant have, and didnt have a great season. i dont know the context of his numbers, as i said. i doubt u watched every cheifs game, and therefore dont know the context of it as well.
sanchez, i did watch a lot of jets games, he was no where near the level of elis play in 05 or 08.

2- ill take ur focus on a pretty irrelevant to this topic point as a concession...

i've already provided two relevant, logical examples of why using a number to define a qb is flawed and well, wrong...

i am able to infer that for u, "great" seems to mean more of a like record setting application where as my definition of great is different. which is fine i guess. u use a number, and whether that number is larger or smaller than another players number, to define. i try and look at the total body of work, the throws, the situations, the success, the failure...basically the context.

I suggest you read the first quote of yours in this text block.

You are the one that set the barometer.for statistical comparison. Sarcastically asking that 3600 yds 27 tds and 10 isnt great. (it isn't a great statline by the way)

Great things aren't accomplished by 30% of qbs every year. Greatness is a relative term in relation to your peers' performance.

You also "lmfao" when I mentioned flacco cassel, and now all of a sudden claim that you didn't watch them enough to know.

You consistently dramatize situations to make eli's play in 05 and 08 look amazing. I can do the same thing... Mark Sanchez.was traded up for and had to deal with a head coaching change in the biggest city in the country. Additionally this new coach was so bold as to predict super bowl wins. Regardless of all this undue pressure put upon him, Sanchez remained steadfast and led his team to two straight championship games! Something not even the great Eli Manning can stake claim to.

I know, I should write novels huh?

Now I challenge you. Who else has ever had an average statline, had a great year, and isn't named Eli Manning?

lol.
"everything he just said is bull****"-my cuz vinny wanted to tell ya that...

just gonna drop this. pointless. he qb of the SB winning team, who was SB MVP, that led a DOMINANT giants team to 11-1 until plex shot it to hell, who had an amazignly effecient season, who helped the offense break a record for turnovers committed all the while ranking among the tops in ppg, didnt have a great season...your right.

theres not evn a need to watch the games anymore. just read the numbers across teh box score. they tell the complete story, lmfao

The run game and defense was dominant. Not the passing game. The role you're proclaiming as great that Eli played is the same role that Alex Smith played this year, the same role flacco has played, the same role cassel played in '10, and the same role Matt Ryan had played his entire career.

Elis sb MVP has no bearing on the 2008 season. You again randomly brought that up to dramatize your argument without actually saying anything. Plax shooting himself didn't ruin the season. The DL breaking down is what ruined the season.

Again. I challenge you to provide examples of qbs with average stats and great years. Oh yea, and their name isn't Eli Manning

lol im not even gonna dignify ur posts bc u are trying to lump me into some bs category of not being able to give other qbs credit bc im giving eli credit here (bc ur position is so weak, u need to commit a logical fallacy to try and discredit what i've said; "i can only say eli had a great season...")...and bc the points of my posts have flown over your head repeatedly.

cliffs notes: "avg" stats may or may not be average, it depends on the context. we all get it, theres no need for that. we can just do like you, look at a number under td thrown and int once the season is over, and then rank chronologically the qbs with the highest number of td passes and lowest number of ints 1-32 (and say only the top 3 on that list can have had great seasons)...lmfao

edit- and ur example failed, i believe alex smith did have a great season when put into context.
i cant say the same for flacco or cassel bc i dont know the context of their numbers...sanchez i do, and the fact u used him as an example makes ur stance even more comical

lawl
07-09-2012, 08:18 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?



lol im not even gonna dignify ur posts bc u are trying to lump me into some bs category of not being able to give other qbs credit bc im giving eli credit here (bc ur position is so weak, u need to commit a logical fallacy to try and discredit what i've said; "i can only say eli had a great season...")...and bc the points of my posts have flown over your head repeatedly.

cliffs notes: "avg" stats may or may not be average, it depends on the context. we all get it, theres no need for that. we can just do like you, look at a number under td thrown and int once the season is over, and then rank chronologically the qbs with the highest number of td passes and lowest number of ints 1-32...lmfao

edit- and ur example failed, i believe alex smith did have a great season when put into context.
i cant say the same for flacco or cassel bc i dont know the context of their numbers...sanchez i do, and the fact u used him as an example makes ur stance even more comical

Once again. You were the one who set the barometer in statistical terms for a great season. Its right there for you to read. YOU SET THIS LINE, NOT ME. You mention nothing about "context" you mockingly ask that those numbers aren't great. And they aren't.

Youve already changed your stance. First you couldn't do anything but laugh your *** off when I brought up flacco and cassel. But now all of a sudden "I dont know the context". Funny how that works.

My example didnt fail me. There were about 8 QBs (atleast) that outplayed Alex smith this year. This is a great accomplishment to you?

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 08:51 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?



lol im not even gonna dignify ur posts bc u are trying to lump me into some bs category of not being able to give other qbs credit bc im giving eli credit here (bc ur position is so weak, u need to commit a logical fallacy to try and discredit what i've said; "i can only say eli had a great season...")...and bc the points of my posts have flown over your head repeatedly.

cliffs notes: "avg" stats may or may not be average, it depends on the context. we all get it, theres no need for that. we can just do like you, look at a number under td thrown and int once the season is over, and then rank chronologically the qbs with the highest number of td passes and lowest number of ints 1-32...lmfao

edit- and ur example failed, i believe alex smith did have a great season when put into context.
i cant say the same for flacco or cassel bc i dont know the context of their numbers...sanchez i do, and the fact u used him as an example makes ur stance even more comical

Once again. You were the one who set the barometer in statistical terms for a great season. Its right there for you to read. YOU SET THIS LINE, NOT ME. You mention nothing about "context" you mockingly ask that those numbers aren't great. And they aren't.

Youve already changed your stance. First you couldn't do anything but laugh your *** off when I brought up flacco and cassel. But now all of a sudden "I dont know the context". Funny how that works.

My example didnt fail me. There were about 8 QBs (atleast) that outplayed Alex smith this year. This is a great accomplishment to you?

i been laughing my *** off the entire duration of this back and forth. what r ut alking about? i never brought in stat numbers as a means to prove why stats are relevant, i did to show how they aren't by providing two examples. i used elis stats in 08 not to show what "an excellent statistical output is" but to show u that eli did play excellently even if the numbers arent leading the league (hence the reason i opened that statement with leading the team to a 12-4 record). its over, no point going back n forth. gooday mate

and yes, alex smith did have a great season, when put into context; struggled all of his career up until this season, no one thought he could lead a team, lead a playoff winning team, no one thought he could be dangerous as a passer...all things considered, alex smith did have a great season, which is why when u listen to any respectable analyst, they will say "alex smith had agreat season" like they have been. just like after the 08 season, any intelligent football mind would tell u eli had a great season, just like they would after 05...u should take pleasure in being able to make me laugh my ****ing *** off

edit-31 qbs could have had better stats and that still doesnt mean alex smith didnt have a great season...is this that hard for you? really? lol

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 08:58 PM
diff meanings of "great" is the issue with us in this topic (although u come off as defining great by a player having the greatest stats, to me, theres a big difference. im not saying eli had the "greatest" seasons, im saying he had great season. ur remark about "8 qbs outplaying smith statistically" is revealing in that regard)...thats all it is. lets just end it there. peace

lawl
07-09-2012, 09:00 PM
lmfao. bc a 10 int season qbing a 12-4 team with like 27 tds and 3600 yards isnt great?



lol im not even gonna dignify ur posts bc u are trying to lump me into some bs category of not being able to give other qbs credit bc im giving eli credit here (bc ur position is so weak, u need to commit a logical fallacy to try and discredit what i've said; "i can only say eli had a great season...")...and bc the points of my posts have flown over your head repeatedly.

cliffs notes: "avg" stats may or may not be average, it depends on the context. we all get it, theres no need for that. we can just do like you, look at a number under td thrown and int once the season is over, and then rank chronologically the qbs with the highest number of td passes and lowest number of ints 1-32...lmfao

edit- and ur example failed, i believe alex smith did have a great season when put into context.
i cant say the same for flacco or cassel bc i dont know the context of their numbers...sanchez i do, and the fact u used him as an example makes ur stance even more comical

Once again. You were the one who set the barometer in statistical terms for a great season. Its right there for you to read. YOU SET THIS LINE, NOT ME. You mention nothing about "context" you mockingly ask that those numbers aren't great. And they aren't.

Youve already changed your stance. First you couldn't do anything but laugh your *** off when I brought up flacco and cassel. But now all of a sudden "I dont know the context". Funny how that works.

My example didnt fail me. There were about 8 QBs (atleast) that outplayed Alex smith this year. This is a great accomplishment to you?

i been laughing my *** off the entire duration of this back and forth. what r ut alking about? i never brought in stat numbers as a means to prove why stats are relevant, i did to show how they aren't by providing two examples. i used elis stats in 08 not to show what "an excellent statistical output is" but to show u that eli did play excellently even if the numbers arent leading the league. its over, no point going back n forth. gooday mate

and yes, alex smith did have a great season, when put into context; struggled all of his career up until this season, no one thought he could lead a team, lead a playoff winning team, no one thought he could be dangerous as a passer...all things considered, alex smith did have a great season, which is why when u listen to any respectable analyst, they will say "alex smith had agreat season" like they have been. just like after the 08 season, any intelligent football mind would tell u eli had a great season, just like they would after 05...u should take pleasure in being able to make me laugh my ****ing *** off

edit-so 8 qbs had better stats, cool...good to know lmfao...
That's your mistake. Just because a guy does alot better than he typically does doesn't mean it's great. Players are measured against each other, not their own previous ****ty play

lawl
07-09-2012, 09:02 PM
diff meanings of "great" is the issue with us in this topic (although u come off as defining great by a player having the greatest stats, to me, theres a big difference. im not saying eli had the "greatest" seasons, im saying he had great season. ur remark about "8 qbs outplaying smith statistically" is revealing in that regard)...thats all it is. lets just end it there. peace

I didn't say 8 QBs outplayed him statistically. I said 8 QBs outplayed him. The fact that you continuously misread my posts is revealing

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 09:04 PM
diff meanings of "great" is the issue with us in this topic (although u come off as defining great by a player having the greatest stats, to me, theres a big difference. im not saying eli had the "greatest" seasons, im saying he had great season. ur remark about "8 qbs outplaying smith statistically" is revealing in that regard)...thats all it is. lets just end it there. peace

I didn't say 8 QBs outplayed him statistically. I said 8 QBs outplayed him. The fact that you continuously misread my posts is revealing

lmfao...i take those snippy comments as a compliment, you realize that right? its bc u have no logical ground to stand on...its ok. u just show that instead of focusing on a point of an argument u have no answer for, u have to make a comment irrelevant to the discussion.

sorry, "8 qbs outplayed smith"...not statistically lmfao

lawl
07-09-2012, 09:15 PM
diff meanings of "great" is the issue with us in this topic (although u come off as defining great by a player having the greatest stats, to me, theres a big difference. im not saying eli had the "greatest" seasons, im saying he had great season. ur remark about "8 qbs outplaying smith statistically" is revealing in that regard)...thats all it is. lets just end it there. peace

I didn't say 8 QBs outplayed him statistically. I said 8 QBs outplayed him. The fact that you continuously misread my posts is revealing

lmfao...i take those snippy comments as a compliment, you realize that right? its bc u have no logical ground to stand on...its ok. u just show that instead of focusing on a point of an argument u have no answer for, u have to make a comment irrelevant to the discussion.

sorry, "8 qbs outplayed smith"...not statistically lmfao

I have no logical ground?

Really?

You say I define a QBs play by their stats. You said regardless of stats Eli still had a great year. I countered by asking you if flacco, cassel, smith, and Ryan also played great in certain years. You scoffed at cassel and flacco because of their perception in the media. The of course, I brought up that their team's situations and their performances were extremely similar if not better than eli's in 05 and 08. You then quickly changed your stance. Saying you didn't know the "context" of their seasons. You went from fully discounting their performances to noncommittal. Because, you didn't want to admit being wrong.

Do you disagree that there weren't many QBs that played better than smith this year? Because there most certainly were alot.

Try communicating instead of childish banter.

giantsfan420
07-09-2012, 09:19 PM
diff meanings of "great" is the issue with us in this topic (although u come off as defining great by a player having the greatest stats, to me, theres a big difference. im not saying eli had the "greatest" seasons, im saying he had great season. ur remark about "8 qbs outplaying smith statistically" is revealing in that regard)...thats all it is. lets just end it there. peace

I didn't say 8 QBs outplayed him statistically. I said 8 QBs outplayed him. The fact that you continuously misread my posts is revealing

lmfao...i take those snippy comments as a compliment, you realize that right? its bc u have no logical ground to stand on...its ok. u just show that instead of focusing on a point of an argument u have no answer for, u have to make a comment irrelevant to the discussion.

sorry, "8 qbs outplayed smith"...not statistically lmfao

I have no logical ground?

Really?

You say I define a QBs play by their stats. You said regardless of stats Eli still had a great year. I countered by asking you if flacco, cassel, smith, and Ryan also played great in certain years. You scoffed at cassel and flacco because of their perception in the media. The of course, I brought up that their team's situations and their performances were extremely similar if not better than eli's in 05 and 08. You then quickly changed your stance. Saying you didn't know the "context" of their seasons. You went from fully discounting their performances to noncommittal. Because, you didn't want to admit being wrong.

Do you disagree that there weren't many QBs that played better than smith this year? Because there most certainly were alot.

Try communicating instead of childish banter.

seeing as how not one thing u applied to me in that post is accurate, yes i'd say no logical ground.

lets just end this already. sorry if i offended u. i was being a bit immature, but yeah, lets just end this i dont feel like circling the wagon and retyping the very same back n forth out trying to reexplain stances...

Harooni
07-09-2012, 11:14 PM
I'll take Eli as he is and know what we have is damn good, but for god sakes could he at least have the body of a NFL QB and not the body of a Direct /tv installer.

FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
07-09-2012, 11:44 PM
Damn this thread took off, haha.

Sure, Rodgers had a great season. But he lost the only playoff game he played in.

In that game Eli had 330 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 int. His passer rating was 114.5 and he was 21/33 giving him nearly a 64% completion percentage.

Rodgers was 26/46 giving him 57% efficiency. He only passed for 261 yards, 2 tds and an int. He had a rating of 78.5

Eli outplayed Rogers hands down. In fact he outplayed his opposition decisively in every single post-season game last year, a list that includes future hall-of-famer Tom Brady, league MVP Aaron Rodgers, up and coming Matt Ryan and an underrated former 1st overall selection Alex Smith.

Sure, you can say it was the Giant defense that caused that. And you're right, our D kicked major *** last year, but when push comes to shove great quarterbacks are suppose to outplaying one another in the playoffs. Eli did that.

Beyond this, he set the record for most passing yards in a single post-season last year, and broke the record for road playoff wins along with all of the other records he broke.

It was one of the greatest post-season performances by any quarterback of any era.

So maybe you can make the case for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. Hell, one guy went to his 5th SB, one guy had one of the best single-season quarterback runs in the history of the game and another guy shattered Dan Marino's long-held record.

But for Jaws to say a guy that didn't take a snap last year is better than the dude that just had a Joe Montana-like playoff run against a football dynasty (Patriots) one of the best teams in league history (the Packers) and probably the toughest defense in the league (49ers) is just silly.

F it, on my list Eli is number 1 baby!!!

CDN_G-FAN
07-10-2012, 12:42 AM
I've just read the thread and a few things come to mind.

Everyone's definition of what great is differs. At this point it is fair to say that Eli is a great post season QB (8 - 3, two rings) and is becoming an excellent regular season QB. He still needs more regular season consistency in my opinion.

That being said, if, and admittedly, this is a big if, he should go on to win one more SB in the fashion that he helped win the first two, (last minute drive for a TD to win), then I believe he could be considered the greatest clutch QB of all time. Maybe that's a bold statement, but Im hard pressed to think of anyone in NFL history who would've equaled that feat.

One thing is for sure, at least no one is questioning the trade to bring him to NY anymore.

great post.

Eli is easily the most clutch QB in the NFL today, hands down.

but best overall QB? 5th is probably right. whether it's 4th or 6th doesn't really matter.

i get why he still has a hard time with being ranked as a top 3 or 4 QB. He's had some seasons that aren't really the seasons of someone in the top 5 QBs in the NFL. Recent seasons.

the thing that impresses me is he hasn't stopped improving yet. i thought 09 was as good as it was going to get, but his 11 numbers were unreal, especially since most people don't consider that we had a LOSER running game last year.

He put up those numbers without the typical PA threat or 3rd and short we're accustomed to.

i can't wait to see what he's like with a real runninng game and a better defense to back him up.

giantsfan420
07-10-2012, 01:04 AM
Damn this thread took off, haha.

Sure, Rodgers had a great season. But he lost the only playoff game he played in.

In that game Eli had 330 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 int. His passer rating was 114.5 and he was 21/33 giving him nearly a 64% completion percentage.

Rodgers was 26/46 giving him 57% efficiency. He only passed for 261 yards, 2 tds and an int. He had a rating of 78.5

Eli outplayed Rogers hands down. In fact he outplayed his opposition decisively in every single post-season game last year, a list that includes future hall-of-famer Tom Brady, league MVP Aaron Rodgers, up and coming Matt Ryan and an underrated former 1st overall selection Alex Smith.

Sure, you can say it was the Giant defense that caused that. And you're right, our D kicked major *** last year, but when push comes to shove great quarterbacks are suppose to outplaying one another in the playoffs. Eli did that.

Beyond this, he set the record for most passing yards in a single post-season last year, and broke the record for road playoff wins along with all of the other records he broke.

It was one of the greatest post-season performances by any quarterback of any era.

So maybe you can make the case for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. Hell, one guy went to his 5th SB, one guy had one of the best single-season quarterback runs in the history of the game and another guy shattered Dan Marino's long-held record.

But for Jaws to say a guy that didn't take a snap last year is better than the dude that just had a Joe Montana-like playoff run against a football dynasty (Patriots) one of the best teams in league history (the Packers) and probably the toughest defense in the league (49ers) is just silly.

F it, on my list Eli is number 1 baby!!!


awesome post. it belongs in a museum somewhere.

gumby742
07-10-2012, 09:11 AM
Damn this thread took off, haha.

Sure, Rodgers had a great season. But he lost the only playoff game he played in.

In that game Eli had 330 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 int. His passer rating was 114.5 and he was 21/33 giving him nearly a 64% completion percentage.

Rodgers was 26/46 giving him 57% efficiency. He only passed for 261 yards, 2 tds and an int. He had a rating of 78.5

Eli outplayed Rogers hands down. In fact he outplayed his opposition decisively in every single post-season game last year, a list that includes future hall-of-famer Tom Brady, league MVP Aaron Rodgers, up and coming Matt Ryan and an underrated former 1st overall selection Alex Smith.

Sure, you can say it was the Giant defense that caused that. And you're right, our D kicked major *** last year, but when push comes to shove great quarterbacks are suppose to outplaying one another in the playoffs. Eli did that.

Beyond this, he set the record for most passing yards in a single post-season last year, and broke the record for road playoff wins along with all of the other records he broke.

It was one of the greatest post-season performances by any quarterback of any era.

So maybe you can make the case for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. Hell, one guy went to his 5th SB, one guy had one of the best single-season quarterback runs in the history of the game and another guy shattered Dan Marino's long-held record.

But for Jaws to say a guy that didn't take a snap last year is better than the dude that just had a Joe Montana-like playoff run against a football dynasty (Patriots) one of the best teams in league history (the Packers) and probably the toughest defense in the league (49ers) is just silly.

F it, on my list Eli is number 1 baby!!!
</P>


1)I don't think Jaws ever specified that his list was based on last year alone. Including Peyton is perfectly valid from how i understand it. I'm pretty sure he was talking about a QBs total body of work.</P>


2) You can't make any sort of judgement on one Game alone ie Green Bay vs the Giants and the playoffs.</P>


3) By saying F it, Eli is number 1 baby, you insinuate (true or not) thatyou realize there may not be a <U>solid</U>logical reason why you think Eli is #1, short of being a Giant and loving him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'm that way towards Jerry Reese and I'm that way towards Marino. But at you least you admit it.</P>

giantsfan420
07-10-2012, 09:33 AM
Damn this thread took off, haha.

Sure, Rodgers had a great season. But he lost the only playoff game he played in.

In that game Eli had 330 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 int. His passer rating was 114.5 and he was 21/33 giving him nearly a 64% completion percentage.

Rodgers was 26/46 giving him 57% efficiency. He only passed for 261 yards, 2 tds and an int. He had a rating of 78.5

Eli outplayed Rogers hands down. In fact he outplayed his opposition decisively in every single post-season game last year, a list that includes future hall-of-famer Tom Brady, league MVP Aaron Rodgers, up and coming Matt Ryan and an underrated former 1st overall selection Alex Smith.

Sure, you can say it was the Giant defense that caused that. And you're right, our D kicked major *** last year, but when push comes to shove great quarterbacks are suppose to outplaying one another in the playoffs. Eli did that.

Beyond this, he set the record for most passing yards in a single post-season last year, and broke the record for road playoff wins along with all of the other records he broke.

It was one of the greatest post-season performances by any quarterback of any era.

So maybe you can make the case for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. Hell, one guy went to his 5th SB, one guy had one of the best single-season quarterback runs in the history of the game and another guy shattered Dan Marino's long-held record.

But for Jaws to say a guy that didn't take a snap last year is better than the dude that just had a Joe Montana-like playoff run against a football dynasty (Patriots) one of the best teams in league history (the Packers) and probably the toughest defense in the league (49ers) is just silly.

F it, on my list Eli is number 1 baby!!!
</P>


1)**I don't think Jaws ever specified that his list was based on last year alone.* Including Peyton is perfectly valid from how i understand it.* I'm pretty sure he was talking about a QBs total body of work.</P>


2)* You can't make any sort of judgement on one Game alone ie* Green Bay vs the Giants and the playoffs.</P>


3)* By saying F it, Eli is number 1 baby, you insinuate (true or not) *that*you realize there may not be a <U>solid*</U>logical reason why you think Eli is #1, short of being a Giant and loving him.* There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.* I'm that way towards Jerry Reese and I'm that way towards Marino.* But at you least you admit it.</P>

his post made more sense throughout each letter and word than any of post.

jaws does specify it, by listing his top 30 qbs of 2011, going into 2012. He used nothing but last years play to determine the rankings of every other qb besides peyton...i personally am fine peyton made the list, but he was way too low.

2-yes you can, and he made a solid, logical, accurate judgement based on that game and playoff run. again, way more logical than any post i've ever read from you.

3-or, he listed what didn't make sense about eli being ranked behind those qbs, and declared "f those reasons, eli's number one ON HIS LIST."

thats why i wanted to respond actually. He clearly says, on HIS list he's number one. leave it to gumby to be pretentious enough to actually try and find a way to correct a guys own personal list he made based on his opinions lmao

greenca190
07-10-2012, 11:42 AM
Alright. So most of the time these posts about Eli and the giants not getting any respect from the media, yadda yadda; I find them annoying.

But Im watching jaws on espn right now soon his top ten countdown. They just legitimately went from ten to one, but completely ignored number five, hahaha. Really. Went ten to six. Then four to one.

Funny. Maybe you guys are right.

miked1958
07-10-2012, 11:57 AM
Really surprised this thread went 7 pages deep. It's simple people. Would you rather have a QB that's putting up gaudy numbers game in and game out and is breaking all kinds of NFL Records? OR have a QB that puts up avg numbers game in game out and is clutch when you need him to be when game is on the line and wins your team Championships?

End of story

greenca190
07-10-2012, 12:08 PM
Really surprised this thread went 7 pages deep. It's simple people. Would you rather have a QB that's putting up gaudy numbers game in and game out and is breaking all kinds of NFL Records? OR have a QB that puts up avg numbers game in game out and is clutch when you need him to be when game is on the line and wins your team Championships?

End of story

Eli averaged around 300 yards per game last season. His numbers aren't average.

gumby742
07-10-2012, 02:12 PM
u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right? what is the context behind those numbers? i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic. its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares


Here's a homework assignment for you. Maybe this will get you to think a little bit. <U>The topic is: Explain why Alex Smith is not a great QB. Especially, given everything he's gone through.</U></P>


</P>


You up for this? Maybe after doing it you'll realize that you have a huge double standard in favor of Eli. You'll find a lot of your <U>thought process </U>in trying to prove <U>why Alex Smith is not an overall great QB is applicable to your defense of Eli Manning</U>. You know, <U>how stats don't matter and how "context" is everything</U>. We all know Alex Smith had a career year, but he isn't a great QB by any means. </P>


There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, "Screw all you guys, I'm going to think Eli is top X QB no matter what any one says. He's my QB and I'm sticking by him." </P>

gumby742
07-10-2012, 02:19 PM
Damn this thread took off, haha.

Sure, Rodgers had a great season. But he lost the only playoff game he played in.

In that game Eli had 330 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 int. His passer rating was 114.5 and he was 21/33 giving him nearly a 64% completion percentage.

Rodgers was 26/46 giving him 57% efficiency. He only passed for 261 yards, 2 tds and an int. He had a rating of 78.5

Eli outplayed Rogers hands down. In fact he outplayed his opposition decisively in every single post-season game last year, a list that includes future hall-of-famer Tom Brady, league MVP Aaron Rodgers, up and coming Matt Ryan and an underrated former 1st overall selection Alex Smith.

Sure, you can say it was the Giant defense that caused that. And you're right, our D kicked major *** last year, but when push comes to shove great quarterbacks are suppose to outplaying one another in the playoffs. Eli did that.

Beyond this, he set the record for most passing yards in a single post-season last year, and broke the record for road playoff wins along with all of the other records he broke.

It was one of the greatest post-season performances by any quarterback of any era.

So maybe you can make the case for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. Hell, one guy went to his 5th SB, one guy had one of the best single-season quarterback runs in the history of the game and another guy shattered Dan Marino's long-held record.

But for Jaws to say a guy that didn't take a snap last year is better than the dude that just had a Joe Montana-like playoff run against a football dynasty (Patriots) one of the best teams in league history (the Packers) and probably the toughest defense in the league (49ers) is just silly.

F it, on my list Eli is number 1 baby!!!
</P>


1)I don't think Jaws ever specified that his list was based on last year alone. Including Peyton is perfectly valid from how i understand it. I'm pretty sure he was talking about a QBs total body of work.</P>


2) You can't make any sort of judgement on one Game alone ie Green Bay vs the Giants and the playoffs.</P>


3) By saying F it, Eli is number 1 baby, you insinuate (true or not) thatyou realize there may not be a <U>solid</U>logical reason why you think Eli is #1, short of being a Giant and loving him. <U>There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.</U> I'm that way towards Jerry Reese and I'm that way towards Marino. But at you least you admit it.</P>


his post made more sense throughout each letter and word than any of post. jaws does specify it, by listing his top 30 qbs of 2011, going into 2012. He used nothing but last years play to determine the rankings of every other qb besides peyton...i personally am fine peyton made the list, but he was way too low. 2-yes you can, and he made a solid, logical, accurate judgement based on that game and playoff run. again, way more logical than any post i've ever read from you. 3-or, he listed what didn't make sense about eli being ranked behind those qbs, and declared "f those reasons, eli's number one ON HIS LIST." thats why i wanted to respond actually. He clearly says, on HIS list he's number one. leave it to gumby to be pretentious enough to actually try and find a way to correct a guys own personal list he made based on his opinions lmao</P>


You know, instead of lollmafao or whatever it is everytime, you might want to read. I already said it was ok that Eli was #1 on HIS list.</P>


You are nuts if you think you can make an accurate <U>overall judgement of performance</U>based on a <U>handful of games</U>. Any starting quality QB has had a string of great performances. Are you going to say it's indicative of their overall play throughout their entire career? That's a stretch even for you.</P>

giantsfan420
07-11-2012, 10:16 AM
u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right? what is the context behind those numbers? i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic. its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares


Here's a homework assignment for you.* Maybe this will get you to think a little bit.* <U>The topic is:* Explain why Alex Smith is not a great QB.* Especially, given everything he's gone through.</U></P>


</P>


You up for this?* Maybe after doing it you'll realize that you have a huge double standard in favor of Eli.*** You'll find a lot of your <U>thought process </U>in trying to prove <U>why Alex Smith is not an overall great QB is applicable to your defense of Eli Manning</U>.* You know, <U>how stats don't matter and how "context" is everything</U>.* We all know Alex Smith had a career year, but he isn't a great QB by any means.* </P>


There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, "Screw all you guys, I'm going to think Eli is top X QB no matter what any one says.* He's my QB and I'm sticking by him."* </P>

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

alex smith had a terrible first 6 yrs of his career. last season, he did have a great season considering his prior performances, and the success the 9ers had...

you are confused about something, I'm not quick to defend eli and solely focus on him...you confuse that with me pointing out how flawed your thought processes are, and usually its bc YOU have focused on eli, or a poster who discusses eli, and u use horrible logic. i therefore interject, and merely present why your thought process is so off, which i've done time and time again.
of course youd take that and try to turn it into me being some eli crazed, non giants fan but an eli fan. but thats only bc you have flawed reasoning...but LMFAO...i didnt think you actually believed the bs you spew and just did it for some sort of ego trip or to get kicks...but you actually do believe your own bs, and that is ****ing hilarious.

and stats do matter to some degree, but not nearly as much as actually watching and studying a players game, to see how those stats were developed. you simply fast forward past the actual performance, to the end of game box score, and then rank players based on who has the higher or lower numbers, its frigging hilarious how u are trying to tell me that trying to see the context of those numbers is some laughable thing...

burier
07-11-2012, 11:59 AM
I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play.

And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board".

I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta.

Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned.

Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws.

One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field.

Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.

gumby742
07-11-2012, 12:13 PM
u just cant grasp that numbers posted like u did prove nothing, serve no purpose, and is logically inferior right? what is the context behind those numbers? i dunno, ur premise about eli and great seasons is off but so have the rest of ur premises on this topic. its so subjective anyway not worth continuing this. 08, eli played great. he had a great season. as he did in 05. pretty common knowledge for those who dont just look at a number and base everything off that as you did above. its such a flawed line of thought but eh, who cares


Here's a homework assignment for you. Maybe this will get you to think a little bit. <U>The topic is: Explain why Alex Smith is not a great QB. Especially, given everything he's gone through.</U></P>


</P>


You up for this? Maybe after doing it you'll realize that you have a huge double standard in favor of Eli. You'll find a lot of your <U>thought process </U>in trying to prove <U>why Alex Smith is not an overall great QB is applicable to your defense of Eli Manning</U>. You know, <U>how stats don't matter and how "context" is everything</U>. We all know Alex Smith had a career year, but he isn't a great QB by any means. </P>


There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, "Screw all you guys, I'm going to think Eli is top X QB no matter what any one says. He's my QB and I'm sticking by him." </P>


LMFAO!!!!!!!!! alex smith had a terrible first 6 yrs of his career. last season, he did have a great season considering his prior performances, and the success the 9ers had... you are confused about something, I'm not quick to defend eli and solely focus on him...you confuse that with me pointing out how flawed your thought processes are, and usually its bc YOU have focused on eli, or a poster who discusses eli, and u use horrible logic. i therefore interject, and merely present why your thought process is so off, which i've done time and time again. of course youd take that and try to turn it into me being some eli crazed, non giants fan but an eli fan. but thats only bc you have flawed reasoning...but LMFAO...i didnt think you actually believed the bs you spew and just did it for some sort of ego trip or to get kicks...but you actually do believe your own bs, and that is ****ing hilarious. and stats do matter to some degree, but not nearly as much as actually watching and studying a players game, to see how those stats were developed. you simply fast forward past the actual performance, to the end of game box score, and then rank players based on who has the higher or lower numbers, its frigging hilarious how u are trying to tell me that trying to see the context of those numbers is some laughable thing...</P>


I'll indulge you. Instead of lmfao, use your "superior logic" to show me that Alex Smith is not a great QB. Saying "he was terrible" as a reason, doesn't apply. If you think he was terrible, tell me why he was terrible. Since you're logic/analytic skillsare so sound, this should be easy for you..</P>


Your ranting adds 0 value to the conversation. It does nothing but show how childish you are. You really need to read posts instead of reacting. I'm not saying that you don't know context, but to not forget context when trying to prove Alex Smith is not a great QB. I guess even with the bolded underlined phrases, it's too much for you.</P>

gumby742
07-11-2012, 12:29 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no? Certainly more than anyone here on this board.</P>

burier
07-11-2012, 12:31 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>

I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl.

Edit: Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine. The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute.

Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS)

Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was.

So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.

gumby742
07-11-2012, 12:58 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no? Certainly more than anyone here on this board.</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <U>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine</U>. The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


If you think the examples he used to justify his QB rankings weren't good, that's fine. But the fact that you think you know more than Jaws - within the context of Eli Manning's play, not too sure what to make of that.</P>

burier
07-11-2012, 01:15 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <U>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine</U>. The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


If you think the examples he used to justify his QB rankings weren't good, that's fine.* But the fact that you think you know more than Jaws - within the context of Eli Manning's play, not too sure what to make of that.</P>

I'll tell you what to make of it because I think you missed my point.

I'll concede that he can analyze the position better than me. I'll concede he could analyze Eli better than me but he choses not to because of his bias. So he intentionally leaves holes in his analysis.

Had he thuroughly analyzed Eli's play his own rankings as they stand would seem disjointed. He down played Eli and up played Peyton and Brady to justify his ill-advised decision to rank them ahead of Eli.

Eli Manning is clearly a better quarterback than Tom Brady at this point. Anybody whos got a "big Board" and is breaking down film for a living should be able to see that. (And I think Jaws did see this and chose to fake the funk anyway)

Hell there's two games where you could break down both QBs film simultaneously since they played eachother twice.

Not gonna argue about Breese and Rogers but I do think Eli should probably get the benefit of the doubt over brother Peyton all things considered. Don't you?

A completely acurate list would have Eli at 1

A fair list would have Eli at 3.

A BS ..ok I'll hold my nose and put Eli at 5 because 5 is minimum requirement for "elitness". Is very fake and very phony and only perpetuates the moving goal post that is used on Eli Manning and Eli Manning Only.

Eli says he's elite and proves it so what doesn the media do?

They say "Sure Eli you're elite." meanwhile they move all of the previously elite quartbacks into another class of "super elites" because god forbid we go a minute without there being some Wall that separates Eli from the very best Quarterbacks in the league.

gumby742
07-11-2012, 01:32 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no? Certainly more than anyone here on this board.</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <U>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine</U>. The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


If you think the examples he used to justify his QB rankings weren't good, that's fine. But the fact that you think you know more than Jaws - within the context of Eli Manning's play, not too sure what to make of that.</P>


I'll tell you what to make of it because I think you missed my point. I'll concede that he can analyze the position better than me. I'll concede he could analyze Eli better than me but he choses not to because of his bias. So he intentionally leaves holes in his analysis. Had he thuroughly analyzed Eli's play his own rankings as they stand would seem disjointed. He down played Eli and up played Peyton and Brady to justify his ill-advised decision to rank them ahead of Eli. Eli Manning is clearly a better quarterback than Tom Brady at this point. Anybody whos got a "big Board" and is breaking down film for a living should be able to see that. (And I think Jaws did see this and chose to fake the funk anyway) Hell there's two games where you could break down both QBs film simultaneously since they played eachother twice. Not gonna argue about Breese and Rogers but I do think Eli should probably get the benefit of the doubt over brother Peyton all things considered. Don't you? A completely acurate list would have Eli at 1 A fair list would have Eli at 3. A BS ..ok I'll hold my nose and put Eli at 5 because 5 is minimum requirement for "elitness". Is very fake and very phony and only perpetuates the moving goal post that is used on Eli Manning and Eli Manning Only. Eli says he's elite and proves it so what doesn the media do? They say "Sure Eli you're elite." meanwhile they move all of the previously elite quartbacks into another class of "super elites" because god forbid we go a minute without there being some Wall that separates Eli from the very best Quarterbacks in the league.</P>


Yeah missed your point. Just thought you meant that you knew more than him. As for the rest, it explains why you think you know more than most other fans on this board.</P>

burier
07-11-2012, 02:16 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <U>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine</U>. The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


If you think the examples he used to justify his QB rankings weren't good, that's fine.* But the fact that you think you know more than Jaws - within the context of Eli Manning's play, not too sure what to make of that.</P>


I'll tell you what to make of it because I think you missed my point. I'll concede that he can analyze the position better than me. I'll concede he could analyze Eli better than me but he choses not to because of his bias. So he intentionally leaves holes in his analysis. Had he thuroughly analyzed Eli's play his own rankings as they stand would seem disjointed. He down played Eli and up played Peyton and Brady to justify his ill-advised decision to rank them ahead of Eli. Eli Manning is clearly a better quarterback than Tom Brady at this point. Anybody whos got a "big Board" and is breaking down film for a living should be able to see that. (And I think Jaws did see this and chose to fake the funk anyway) Hell there's two games where you could break down both QBs film simultaneously since they played eachother twice. Not gonna argue about Breese and Rogers but I do think Eli should probably get the benefit of the doubt over brother Peyton all things considered. Don't you? A completely acurate list would have Eli at 1 A fair list would have Eli at 3. A BS ..ok I'll hold my nose and put Eli at 5 because 5 is minimum requirement for "elitness". Is very fake and very phony and only perpetuates the moving goal post that is used on Eli Manning and Eli Manning Only. Eli says he's elite and proves it so what doesn the media do? They say "Sure Eli you're elite." meanwhile they move all of the previously elite quartbacks into another class of "super elites" because god forbid we go a minute without there being some Wall that separates Eli from the very best Quarterbacks in the league.</P>


Yeah missed your point.* Just thought you meant that you knew more than him.** As for the rest, it explains why you think you know more than most other fans on this board.</P>

don't be so snippy.

GMENAGAIN
07-11-2012, 03:38 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no? Certainly more than anyone here on this board.</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>

burier
07-11-2012, 03:56 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>

And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward.

And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?

GMENAGAIN
07-11-2012, 04:09 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no? Certainly more than anyone here on this board.</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>


And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward. And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?</P>


Just trying to help out. Continue on with your buffoonery . . . . . </P>

burier
07-11-2012, 04:11 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>


And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward. And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?</P>


Just trying to help out.* Continue on with your buffoonery . . . . . </P>

Don't worry about me. You should focus on sitting down with phonics book.

greenca190
07-11-2012, 04:15 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>


And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward. And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?</P>


Just trying to help out.* Continue on with your buffoonery . . . . . </P>

Don't worry about me. You should focus on sitting down with phonics book.

Really? GMENAGAIN should? I hate grammar policing and every thing. But you can't write worth a ****. Your posts make you come off as if you have 15 chromosomes.

GMENAGAIN
07-11-2012, 04:17 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no? Certainly more than anyone here on this board.</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>


And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward. And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?</P>


Just trying to help out. Continue on with your buffoonery . . . . . </P>


Don't worry about me. You should focus on sitting down with phonics book. Really? GMENAGAIN should? I hate grammar policing and every thing. But you can't write worth a ****. Your posts make you come off as if you have 15 chromosomes.</P>


[:D][B]</P>

burier
07-11-2012, 04:19 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>


And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward. And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?</P>


Just trying to help out.* Continue on with your buffoonery . . . . . </P>


Don't worry about me. You should focus on sitting down with phonics book. Really? GMENAGAIN should? I hate grammar policing and every thing. But you can't write worth a ****. Your posts make you come off as if you have 15 chromosomes.</P>


[:D][B]</P>

lol nice. Gmenagain...Call your girlfriend off.

GMENAGAIN
07-11-2012, 04:33 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no? Certainly more than anyone here on this board.</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>


And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward. And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?</P>


Just trying to help out. Continue on with your buffoonery . . . . . </P>


Don't worry about me. You should focus on sitting down with phonics book. Really? GMENAGAIN should? I hate grammar policing and every thing. But you can't write worth a ****. Your posts make you come off as if you have 15 chromosomes.</P>


[:D][B]</P>


lol nice. Gmenagain...Call your girlfriend off.</P>


I'll do that while you and your 15 chromosomes continue to post . . . . . hahahahaha</P>

burier
07-11-2012, 04:43 PM
<U>I just want to say that some people are arguing QBs after they have already shown very little if any ability to analyze Quarterback play</U>. And to be true to topic. Jaws has become a bitter old man. You can tell he cant stand putting Eli at 5 on his "big board". I love how Jaw breaks down two plays from Eli. The Manningham throw and a throw against Atlanta. Its a little too convienent that no throws in the conference championship were mentioned. Also week 17 (The week I concluded that Eli has indeed leaped all othe Quarterbacks.) Eli made the two amazing throws. One being a 360 and toss to Cruz and the other being a throw where his feet were actually deaded by a defender and Eli was able to shoulder a strike down the middle of the field. Either of those plays put any play any of the top 4 were able to put on tape.</P>


I'd say a former NFL QB would have more ability to analyze than most no?* Certainly more than anyone here on this board.*</P>


I wasn't talking about Jaws. I was actually talking about you and Lawl. Edit: <FONT size=4>Jaws in knowlegable but I'd say his ability to analyz Eli Manning's play pales in comparison to mine.</FONT> The throw he (Barely) breaks down to Manningham is lazily analyzed. He didn't even recognize that the throw is damn near impossible to execute. Then he breaks down Brady's pocket presence buy showing clips of Brady standing around in the pocket. Since when does the quarterback get credit for "Standing like a statue" in the pocket??? I'm pretty sure credit for that goes to the Oline. (Props to Jaws for adding a little visual evidence to my dabte with MS) Jaws says he expects Peyton to not skip and beat but he doesn't explain why. I would be nice to know what information he has that would lead him to "expect" a guy with fused nerves in his neck will be just as good as he ever was. So yeah I respect Jaw's expertise but he comes off like a biased ****** once he gets into the top 5 of his list.</P>


Statements like this are why you are not taken seriously here.</P>


While I was typing this post, Jaws forgot more football than you will ever know . . . . . </P>


And I forgot more football than you'll ever know... so, Pay it forward. And by the way...If you could read and comprehend beyond what you bolded you know that I wasn't saying that I knew more about football than Jaws. Did you get D's in school?</P>


Just trying to help out.* Continue on with your buffoonery . . . . . </P>


Don't worry about me. You should focus on sitting down with phonics book. Really? GMENAGAIN should? I hate grammar policing and every thing. But you can't write worth a ****. Your posts make you come off as if you have 15 chromosomes.</P>


[:D][B]</P>


lol nice. Gmenagain...Call your girlfriend off.</P>


I'll do that while you and your 15 chromosomes continue to post* . . . . . hahahahaha</P>

Will do. I'm fighting the good fight over here.

FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
07-14-2012, 02:06 PM
Damn this thread took off, haha.

Sure, Rodgers had a great season. But he lost the only playoff game he played in.

In that game Eli had 330 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 int. His passer rating was 114.5 and he was 21/33 giving him nearly a 64% completion percentage.

Rodgers was 26/46 giving him 57% efficiency. He only passed for 261 yards, 2 tds and an int. He had a rating of 78.5

Eli outplayed Rogers hands down. In fact he outplayed his opposition decisively in every single post-season game last year, a list that includes future hall-of-famer Tom Brady, league MVP Aaron Rodgers, up and coming Matt Ryan and an underrated former 1st overall selection Alex Smith.

Sure, you can say it was the Giant defense that caused that. And you're right, our D kicked major *** last year, but when push comes to shove great quarterbacks are suppose to outplaying one another in the playoffs. Eli did that.

Beyond this, he set the record for most passing yards in a single post-season last year, and broke the record for road playoff wins along with all of the other records he broke.

It was one of the greatest post-season performances by any quarterback of any era.

So maybe you can make the case for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. Hell, one guy went to his 5th SB, one guy had one of the best single-season quarterback runs in the history of the game and another guy shattered Dan Marino's long-held record.

But for Jaws to say a guy that didn't take a snap last year is better than the dude that just had a Joe Montana-like playoff run against a football dynasty (Patriots) one of the best teams in league history (the Packers) and probably the toughest defense in the league (49ers) is just silly.

F it, on my list Eli is number 1 baby!!!
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1)I don't think Jaws ever specified that his list was based on last year alone. Including Peyton is perfectly valid from how i understand it. I'm pretty sure he was talking about a QBs total body of work.</p>


2) You can't make any sort of judgement on one Game alone ie Green Bay vs the Giants and the playoffs.</p>


3) By saying F it, Eli is number 1 baby, you insinuate (true or not) thatyou realize there may not be a <u>solid</u>logical reason why you think Eli is #1, short of being a Giant and loving him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'm that way towards Jerry Reese and I'm that way towards Marino. But at you least you admit it.</p>

If we're going by overall body of work, why isn't Donovan McNabb higher than Mark Sanchez on that list? Why isn't Matt Hasslebeck higher?

I think Jaws list was moreso ranking where the different QBs would be next year, using previous years in order to kinda figure out where'd they be. But in that case, why not use Andrew Luck or RGIII?

Jaws doesn't really define much, just made a list and said that's where everyone was.

If I was going to make an objective list at this point, I'd probably have 1. Tom Brady 2. Drew Brees 3. Eli Manning 4. Aaron Rodgers.

I was not nearly as impressed with the Packers last year as everyone else, but they were still great. I nearly got laughed out of the room when I told people the Packers would lose in the first round of the playoffs, but who's laughing now?

gumby742
07-14-2012, 10:33 PM
Damn this thread took off, haha.

Sure, Rodgers had a great season. But he lost the only playoff game he played in.

In that game Eli had 330 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 int. His passer rating was 114.5 and he was 21/33 giving him nearly a 64% completion percentage.

Rodgers was 26/46 giving him 57% efficiency. He only passed for 261 yards, 2 tds and an int. He had a rating of 78.5

Eli outplayed Rogers hands down. In fact he outplayed his opposition decisively in every single post-season game last year, a list that includes future hall-of-famer Tom Brady, league MVP Aaron Rodgers, up and coming Matt Ryan and an underrated former 1st overall selection Alex Smith.

Sure, you can say it was the Giant defense that caused that. And you're right, our D kicked major *** last year, but when push comes to shove great quarterbacks are suppose to outplaying one another in the playoffs. Eli did that.

Beyond this, he set the record for most passing yards in a single post-season last year, and broke the record for road playoff wins along with all of the other records he broke.

It was one of the greatest post-season performances by any quarterback of any era.

So maybe you can make the case for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. Hell, one guy went to his 5th SB, one guy had one of the best single-season quarterback runs in the history of the game and another guy shattered Dan Marino's long-held record.

But for Jaws to say a guy that didn't take a snap last year is better than the dude that just had a Joe Montana-like playoff run against a football dynasty (Patriots) one of the best teams in league history (the Packers) and probably the toughest defense in the league (49ers) is just silly.

F it, on my list Eli is number 1 baby!!!
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1)**I don't think Jaws ever specified that his list was based on last year alone.* Including Peyton is perfectly valid from how i understand it.* I'm pretty sure he was talking about a QBs total body of work.</p>


2)* You can't make any sort of judgement on one Game alone ie* Green Bay vs the Giants and the playoffs.</p>


3)* By saying F it, Eli is number 1 baby, you insinuate (true or not) *that*you realize there may not be a <u>solid*</u>logical reason why you think Eli is #1, short of being a Giant and loving him.* There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.* I'm that way towards Jerry Reese and I'm that way towards Marino.* But at you least you admit it.</p>

If we're going by overall body of work, why isn't Donovan McNabb higher than Mark Sanchez on that list? Why isn't Matt Hasslebeck higher?

I think Jaws list was moreso ranking where the different QBs would be next year, using previous years in order to kinda figure out where'd they be. But in that case, why not use Andrew Luck or RGIII?

Jaws doesn't really define much, just made a list and said that's where everyone was.

If I was going to make an objective list at this point, I'd probably have 1. Tom Brady 2. Drew Brees 3. Eli Manning 4. Aaron Rodgers.

I was not nearly as impressed with the Packers last year as everyone else, but they were still great. I nearly got laughed out of the room when I told people the Packers would lose in the first round of the playoffs, but who's laughing now?


Yeah i don't know. I don't pay much attention to those lists. But whatever. We're the world ****ing champions.

FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
07-15-2012, 02:14 AM
Damn right we are. I can't wait to cheer on our team when they come to training camp, I feel like it's been overlooked that we're the champs.

People always sell us short because of our record, but to be honest we almost always have one of the toughest schedule because of our division. We swept the AFC East last year completely, if we have the Pats schedule we would've went 19-0 multiple times. (jk, but no.... really.)