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RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 12:48 PM
GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL <u>NOT </u>ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/7/9/3146900/new-york-giants-jason-pierre-paul-matt-kalil-trent-richardson-robert-griffin-iii-andrew-luck)



"ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8134939/nfl-cam-newton-andrew-luck-top-stars-25-build-around" target="_blank">top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
around</a>. Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
of the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants),
who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
league among defensive ends in 2011.</p>



In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
more than Nicks does.</p>

<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>



It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131195/von-miller)
being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
grade.</p>



There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152650/robert-griffin-iii">Robert
Griffin III</a> and Andrew Luck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152649/andrew-luck),
running back <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152651/trent-richardson">Trent
Richardson</a> and offensive tackle Matt Kalil (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152652/matt-kalil). I
can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
the league."</p>

MikeIsaGiant
07-09-2012, 12:55 PM
LOL. Really now? You don't even need to be a homer to realize that he should be on the list

njersey
07-09-2012, 01:01 PM
GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL <u>NOT </u>ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/7/9/3146900/new-york-giants-jason-pierre-paul-matt-kalil-trent-richardson-robert-griffin-iii-andrew-luck)



"ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8134939/nfl-cam-newton-andrew-luck-top-stars-25-build-around" target="_blank">top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
around</a>. Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
of the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants),
who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
league among defensive ends in 2011.</p>



In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
more than Nicks does.</p>

<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>



It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131195/von-miller)
being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
grade.</p>



There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152650/robert-griffin-iii">Robert
Griffin III</a> and Andrew Luck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152649/andrew-luck),
running back <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152651/trent-richardson">Trent
Richardson</a> and offensive tackle Matt Kalil (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152652/matt-kalil). I
can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
the league."</p>

Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.

RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 01:09 PM
GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL <u>NOT </u>ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/7/9/3146900/new-york-giants-jason-pierre-paul-matt-kalil-trent-richardson-robert-griffin-iii-andrew-luck)



"ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8134939/nfl-cam-newton-andrew-luck-top-stars-25-build-around" target="_blank">top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
around</a>. Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
of the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants),
who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
league among defensive ends in 2011.</p>



In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
more than Nicks does.</p>

<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>



It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131195/von-miller)
being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
grade.</p>



There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152650/robert-griffin-iii">Robert
Griffin III</a> and Andrew Luck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152649/andrew-luck),
running back <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152651/trent-richardson">Trent
Richardson</a> and offensive tackle Matt Kalil (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152652/matt-kalil). I
can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
the league."</p>

Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.

Yet we all do that. How many of us have crowned David Wilson a starter this season and Da'Rel Scott a starter last season? It's just the nature of the beast. News articles are nothing more than the opinion of the writer.

ShakeNBake
07-09-2012, 01:53 PM
I feel bad for people who pay extra for espn insider for garbage like this

fourth&forever
07-09-2012, 01:53 PM
JPP is still raw.

/red

Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.

RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 02:07 PM
JPP is still raw.

/red

Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.

It could also e argued that Victor Cruz should have made the list.

gmen46
07-09-2012, 02:23 PM
GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL <u>NOT </u>ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/7/9/3146900/new-york-giants-jason-pierre-paul-matt-kalil-trent-richardson-robert-griffin-iii-andrew-luck)



"ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8134939/nfl-cam-newton-andrew-luck-top-stars-25-build-around" target="_blank">top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
around</a>. Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
of the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants),
who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
league among defensive ends in 2011.</p>



In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
more than Nicks does.</p>

<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>



It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131195/von-miller)
being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
grade.</p>



There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152650/robert-griffin-iii">Robert
Griffin III</a> and Andrew Luck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152649/andrew-luck),
running back <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152651/trent-richardson">Trent
Richardson</a> and offensive tackle Matt Kalil (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152652/matt-kalil). I
can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
the league."</p>

Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.

Yet we all do that.* How many of us have crowned David Wilson a starter this season and Da'Rel Scott a starter last season?* It's just the nature of the beast.* News articles are nothing more than the opinion of the writer.


Of course you're right, RF.

But none of us here (presumably) are associated with a professional sports news org of some repute, nor are paid for our "professional" opinion.

Joyner's readers -- and ESPN readers and viewers in general -- deserve better, in my opinion. (Maybe too much to ask for).

The fact that he values a WR over a DE as a position to build a team around, not to mention he lists a RB--rookie or not--as a position to build a team around, reads more like an opinion of a 13 year old who has just begun to follow the NFL rather than a professional sports analyst.

If nothing else, he could have at least checked with the owner of the Saints about the value of building a team around a highly prized RB, (circa 1999).

Yes, it's an "opinion of the writer", but wouldn't you think the opinion should reveal a little bit more thought and/or savvy than what one sees on a typical team's fan message board?

And, if not, then either the writer for an organization like ESPN should not be paid for his/her opinion, or WE should be paid for ours. IM(unpaid)O.

RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 02:30 PM
GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL <u>NOT </u>ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/7/9/3146900/new-york-giants-jason-pierre-paul-matt-kalil-trent-richardson-robert-griffin-iii-andrew-luck)



"ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8134939/nfl-cam-newton-andrew-luck-top-stars-25-build-around" target="_blank">top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
around</a>. Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
of the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants),
who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
league among defensive ends in 2011.</p>



In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
more than Nicks does.</p>

<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>



It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131195/von-miller)
being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
grade.</p>



There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152650/robert-griffin-iii">Robert
Griffin III</a> and Andrew Luck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152649/andrew-luck),
running back <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152651/trent-richardson">Trent
Richardson</a> and offensive tackle Matt Kalil (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152652/matt-kalil). I
can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
the league."</p>

Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.

Yet we all do that. How many of us have crowned David Wilson a starter this season and Da'Rel Scott a starter last season? It's just the nature of the beast. News articles are nothing more than the opinion of the writer.


Of course you're right, RF.

But none of us here (presumably) are associated with a professional sports news org of some repute, nor are paid for our "professional" opinion.

Joyner's readers -- and ESPN readers and viewers in general -- deserve better, in my opinion. (Maybe too much to ask for).

The fact that he values a WR over a DE as a position to build a team around, not to mention he lists a RB--rookie or not--as a position to build a team around, reads more like an opinion of a 13 year old who has just begun to follow the NFL rather than a professional sports analyst.

If nothing else, he could have at least checked with the owner of the Saints about the value of building a team around a highly prized RB, (circa 1999).

Yes, it's an "opinion of the writer", but wouldn't you think the opinion should reveal a little bit more thought and/or savvy than what one sees on a typical team's fan message board?

And, if not, then either the writer for an organization like ESPN should not be paid for his/her opinion, or WE should be paid for ours. IM(unpaid)O.

I honestly don't think those who get paid to speak their minds are necessarily any more informed than we fans sometimes.

lawl
07-09-2012, 02:34 PM
JPP is still raw.

/red

Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.

It could also e argued that Victor Cruz should have made the list.


Cruz is 25

ashleymarie
07-09-2012, 02:35 PM
Joyner missed the boat on JPP, or had an oversight.

RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 02:50 PM
JPP is still raw.

/red

Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.

It could also e argued that Victor Cruz should have made the list.


Cruz is 25

Kill Joy lol

Cool Papa B.
07-09-2012, 03:21 PM
Just out of curiosity, can you post the list, Roanoke?

I honestly don't get this at all. Not that his list is important, but geez you're in the sports broadcasting business. It's your job to know the game and the best players are. How can you miss the boat on JPP. If I missed obvious facts in my job I would be fired.

I love Nicks and I think the best is yet to come with him. He will be a great WR. But him over JPP?....

buddy33
07-09-2012, 03:28 PM
I actually have no problem with a guy not making a list after 1 productive year. What if I was just a 1 year deal? I don't believe that JPP or Cruz are 1 year wonders, but we have seen it happen before.

miked1958
07-09-2012, 03:31 PM
He may have just left out the 2012 NFL Sack winner. Lol

gmen46
07-09-2012, 03:42 PM
GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL <u>NOT </u>ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/7/9/3146900/new-york-giants-jason-pierre-paul-matt-kalil-trent-richardson-robert-griffin-iii-andrew-luck)



"ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his <a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8134939/nfl-cam-newton-andrew-luck-top-stars-25-build-around" target="_blank">top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
around</a>. Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
of the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants),
who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
league among defensive ends in 2011.</p>



In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
more than Nicks does.</p>

<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>



It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131195/von-miller)
being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
grade.</p>



There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152650/robert-griffin-iii">Robert
Griffin III</a> and Andrew Luck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152649/andrew-luck),
running back <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152651/trent-richardson">Trent
Richardson</a> and offensive tackle Matt Kalil (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152652/matt-kalil). I
can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
the league."</p>

Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.

Yet we all do that.* How many of us have crowned David Wilson a starter this season and Da'Rel Scott a starter last season?* It's just the nature of the beast.* News articles are nothing more than the opinion of the writer.


Of course you're right, RF.

But none of us here (presumably) are associated with a professional sports news org of some repute, nor are paid for our "professional" opinion.

Joyner's readers -- and ESPN readers and viewers in general -- deserve better, in my opinion. (Maybe too much to ask for).

The fact that he values a WR over a DE as a position to build a team around, not to mention he lists a RB--rookie or not--as a position to build a team around, reads more like an opinion of a 13 year old who has just begun to follow the NFL rather than a professional sports analyst.

If nothing else, he could have at least checked with the owner of the Saints about the value of building a team around a highly prized RB, (circa 1999).

Yes, it's an "opinion of the writer", but wouldn't you think the opinion should reveal a little bit more thought and/or savvy than what one sees on a typical team's fan message board?

And, if not, then either the writer for an organization like ESPN should not be paid for his/her opinion, or WE should be paid for ours. IM(unpaid)O.

I honestly don't think those who get paid to speak their minds are necessarily any more informed than we fans sometimes.


I don't disagree. But don't you think they should be? Shouldn't we fans hold the "professionals" to a higher standard? If we don't, then shame on us.

gmen46
07-09-2012, 03:51 PM
I actually have no problem with a guy not making a list after 1 productive year. What if I was just a 1 year deal? I don't believe that JPP or Cruz are 1 year wonders, but we have seen it happen before.

The criterion assumed by the writer is players younger than age 25.

By definition these players would have 1 or 2 (3 at most, like Nicks) years experience. What, it's ok for 4 players to be on this list who haven't even taken a pro snap yet, but JPP was left off because he only has 2 years experience? Huh?

Cool Papa B.
07-09-2012, 04:26 PM
I actually have no problem with a guy not making a list after 1 productive year. What if I was just a 1 year deal? I don't believe that JPP or Cruz are 1 year wonders, but we have seen it happen before.

Okay. I understand your point. But then how do you feel about players who haven't played a single down in the NFL being on that list?

buddy33
07-09-2012, 04:28 PM
Yeah I didn't read the entire thing. It's ridiculous plain and simple. To have guys on there who have not played a single down in the NFL and not have JPP on there is strange.

Don't care either way. Just glad he is a Giant.

RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 04:51 PM
Just out of curiosity, can you post the list, Roanoke?

I honestly don't get this at all. Not that his list is important, but geez you're in the sports broadcasting business. It's your job to know the game and the best players are. How can you miss the boat on JPP. If I missed obvious facts in my job I would be fired.

I love Nicks and I think the best is yet to come with him. He will be a great WR. But him over JPP?....

"1. LeSean McCoy (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12514/lesean-mccoy), RB, Philadelphia Eagles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles), 24 years old

Pros: McCoy won his first All-Pro honor (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7432542/calvin-johnson-detroit-lions-jared-allen-minnesota-vikings-lead-all-pro-selections) last season and became one of the highest-paid running backs (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7943317/source-philadelphia-eagles-sign-lesean-mccoy-5-year-45-million-extension)
in the league because he is the type of ball carrier a team can build
an offense around. His 342 combined rushes/targets were the fourth most
among running backs last season, and he has ranked in the top 10 in the
category of good blocking yards per attempt in each of the past two
seasons (GBYPA being a measurement of a ball carrier's productivity when
given favorable blocking).</p>



Cons: Recent history, most notably the 2011 New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants),
has reinforced the idea that says teams don't need dominant rushing
attacks to win in the NFL. Combine that with the fact that teams can
normally build productive rushing attacks with good blocking and
above-average (but not elite) running back talent and it decreases the
cornerstone value of the running back position. McCoy's drop-off in
receptions last season (48, down from 78 in 2010) could indicate the
Eagles are putting a workload ceiling on him.</p>

2. Matthew Stafford (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12483/matthew-stafford), QB, Detroit Lions (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/det/detroit-lions), 24</p>

Pros: Stafford racked up more than 5,000 passing yards last season despite throwing more than 75 percent of his targets to guys like Brandon Pettigrew (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12549/brandon-pettigrew), Nate Burleson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4529/nate-burleson), Titus Young (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14034/titus-young) and Tony Scheffler (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9647/tony-scheffler). Having Calvin Johnson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10447/calvin-johnson)
as a primary target is a big help, but those numbers illustrate
Stafford has an ability to post voluminous numbers even when throwing to
less-than-elite pass-catchers.</p>

Cons: He has had only one healthy NFL season, something that shows Stafford still has a ways to go to prove his long-term durability.</p>

3. Cam Newton (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13994/cam-newton), QB, Carolina Panthers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers), 23</p>

Pros:
Newton earned a Pro Bowl nomination in 2011 by becoming the first
player in league history to pass for 4,000 yards and rush for 500 yards
in a single season. His 14 rushing touchdowns were the second most in
the NFL behind McCoy. Despite these achievements, Newton is fired up to
move his game to the next level (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/36082/cam-newton-needs-to-be-himself) and prove his remaining doubters wrong.</p>

Cons:
How much of Newton's success last season can be attributed to the
effects of the lockout? His passing numbers were great early in the year
when defenses were hamstrung in terms of play calling -- he posted at
least 374 passing yards in three of his first four games -- but fell off
dramatically as the season progressed, as he tallied 208 or fewer
passing yards in five of his final six games. Newton also had major
issues in the bad decision rate department, as his 4.2 percent mark in
that category was the fifth highest in the league. (BDR measures a
quarterback's propensity for making mental errors that lead to turnover
chances for the opponent.)</p>

4. Robert Griffin III (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14875/robert-griffin), QB, Washington Redskins (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins), 22</p>

Pros: Griffin got a ton of attention for his 2011 Heisman Trophy-winning campaign, but his collegiate career totals were actually as good or better (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7717069/ten-reasons-robert-griffin-iii-drafted-no-1-nfl) than those posted by Andrew Luck (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14874/andrew-luck). RG3 has shown an ability to get top-level performance out of everyone on his offense and has All-American-caliber speed.</p>

Cons:
The offense Griffin operated at Baylor is a lot different from the
system he will be operating in the NFL, so he will have to show that he
can transition to a pro-style offense. There are concerns about
Griffin's durability. He was given a 4 durability rating in his Scouts Inc. draft profile (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28956/robert-griffin-iii) and will have to prove he has NFL-caliber physical endurance.</p>

5. Andrew Luck, QB, Indianapolis Colts (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ind/indianapolis-colts), 22</p>

Pros:
Just about everything in Luck's résumé says franchise QB. His accuracy
is superb, he is highly intelligent, and he has prototypical NFL
quarterback size. Luck has been groomed for an NFL career for many years
and is as well prepared for being a franchise quarterback as one can
be.</p>

Cons: Luck had a ton of talent around him
at Stanford, as eight of his offensive teammates last season were named
either All-Pac-12 or honorable mention All-Pac-12. He might not react
so well when he is not surrounded by a similar caliber of offensive
talent. He also did not consistently raise the level of play of some of
those around him last season, especially on vertical passes (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7717069/ten-reasons-robert-griffin-iii-drafted-no-1-nfl).
Luck has been a quarterback in a run-first offense only, so there is
the question of whether he can step up when his team needs him to
operate a pass-first offense.</p>

6. Hakeem Nicks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12586/hakeem-nicks), WR, New York Giants, 24</p>

Pros: Nicks has played three NFL seasons, but he is only a few months older than A.J. Green (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13983/aj-green) and is younger than Victor Cruz (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13553/victor-cruz).
He is a master at beating coverage. According to my fantasy football
draft guide, a cornerback and/or safety covered Nicks on 84.5 percent of
his targets last season, sixth highest among wideouts, and he still
managed to post an impressive 9.9 yards per attempt, which ranked 19th
in the league.</p>

Cons: His injury issues are a bit overblown
at times, with only six games missed in his three NFL campaigns, but
these physical woes are too constant to allow Nicks to claim a higher
ranking.</p>

7. Julio Jones (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13982/julio-jones), WR, Atlanta Falcons (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-falcons), 23</p>

Pros:
To get an idea of the kind of impact Jones is capable of, consider that
he was one of only 31 wide receivers to post at least 50 vertical
targets last season -- and he did this despite being a rookie in a
lockout-truncated offseason and battling hamstring injuries that cost
him three games.</p>

Cons: Jones' 5.4 YPA last
season against cornerbacks rated solid or better ranked 40th out of 47
wideouts with at least 30 targets against that caliber of competition.
Scouts Inc. gave him a 4 ranking in durability going into the 2011 NFL draft (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27021/julio-jones).
When that is combined with his injury woes, it could indicate Jones
will have difficulty racking up 16 starts in a season on a consistent
basis.</p>

8. Trent Richardson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14884/trent-richardson), RB, Cleveland Browns (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns), 21</p>

Pros: Richardson posted a 9.7 GBYPA against the toughest run defenses (http://insider.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k12breakouts)
the Alabama Crimson Tide faced in 2011. Posting that type of GBYPA
bodes well for his ability to churn out ground gains against tough
competition and shows why he was the best player on the best team in
college football last season. He also is solid in pass protection.</p>

Cons:
Richardson has a pretty good track record on the durability front, but
there are enough concerns to make ESPN.com injury expert Stephania Bell a
bit worried about his ability to hold up over the long haul (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8077828). As noted, the running back position tends to be one that doesn't make for the best cornerstone candidates.</p>

9. Matt Kalil (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14928/matt-kalil), T, Minnesota Vikings (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/min/minnesota-vikings), 23</p>

Pros: Kalil served as an offensive line cornerstone at USC. He has the type of talent that caused Todd McShay to say (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7853625/2012-nfl-draft-ranking-top-32-prospects), "Kalil is the best offensive tackle I've evaluated since Joe Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10448/joe-thomas)." Kalil also played on the Trojans' special-teams line and was athletic enough to block four kicks last season.</p>

Cons:
Contrary to popular opinion, left tackle isn't quite the cornerstone
position some would make it out to be. Many teams have won Super Bowls
with less-than-stellar play at that position, and picking a left tackle
over a quarterback can oftentimes be a mistake (e.g., when Miami picked Jake Long (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11234/jake-long) over Matt Ryan (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11237/matt-ryan) in the 2008 draft).</p>

10. Von Miller (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13976/von-miller), LB, Denver Broncos (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos), 23</p>

Pros: Miller could be the best young pass-rusher in the NFL. According to pro-football-reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/LB-1980-now.htm), Miller has the fifth-highest sack total among linebackers drafted since 2008 despite being in the league for only one season.</p>Cons:
Not to knock 11.5 sacks in 15 games, but the most effective sack
artists normally have higher sack totals. Miller has the skills
necessary to increase his total in this category, but he needs to take
that next step before he can rate higher on this list."

There you go

RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 05:10 PM
I actually have no problem with a guy not making a list after 1 productive year. What if I was just a 1 year deal? I don't believe that JPP or Cruz are 1 year wonders, but we have seen it happen before.

I don't disagree with you so how do we then explain the no year wonders on the list?

Gianthunter
07-09-2012, 05:13 PM
All you need to know. "slow season" and everythin but sports network.

miked1958
07-09-2012, 05:18 PM
I actually have no problem with a guy not making a list after 1 productive year. What if I was just a 1 year deal? I don't believe that JPP or Cruz are 1 year wonders, but we have seen it happen before.

I don't disagree with you so how do we then explain the no year wonders on the list?
Right RF. if you are going to leave a guy off because he may just be a one yr wonder then he has no business putting 4 Rooks on the list. Also the theory of the one yr wonder doesn't hold up cause he put Cam newton on his list as well as Von miller both in league only one year like JPP

miked1958
07-09-2012, 05:23 PM
I actually have no problem with a guy not making a list after 1 productive year. What if I was just a 1 year deal? I don't believe that JPP or Cruz are 1 year wonders, but we have seen it happen before.

Well what If Cam and Von Miller are 1 year wonders? They made his List

bLuereverie
07-09-2012, 07:06 PM
I stopped reading at KC Joyner.

RoanokeFan
07-09-2012, 07:08 PM
I stopped reading at KC Joyner.

LOL

BeatYale
07-09-2012, 10:33 PM
Nicks has been productive for multiple seasons now. He deserves to be on the list ahead of JPP as of right now IMO.

Ntegrase96
07-10-2012, 12:22 PM
I like that the rookies who haven't taken a snap yet in the NFL got a chance.

You start a team around a quarterback, so I have no problems with Luck and RGIII being on there.

But they still shouldn't be ahead of JPP, or even Tyron Smith.

A lot of very talented, young, existing players should be on this list ahead of any rookie that hasn't played a single snap.

Also, Matt Stafford should be higher than McCoy-- RBs are a dime a dozen.

Dorkasaurus
07-10-2012, 03:02 PM
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Lists like this are just dumb.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Pick your year you would of had names like Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Reggie Bush, Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn etc etc<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>who were all heralded by the media but all now play as a back up on another team. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></P>