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RoanokeFan
07-11-2012, 03:50 PM
SPOTLIGHT: TIGHT ENDS - GIANTS (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/14893/spotlight-tight-ends)

"With training camp at the end of the month, spotlight focuses the tight end
position -- sure to be one of the most watched competitions in training
camp.

SPOTLIGHT: The tight ends


THE COMPETITION: Bear Pascoe, Martellus Bennett, Travis Beckum,
Adrien Robinson, Christian Hopkins, Ryan Purvis and Larry
Donnell.

THE 411: Last year, the Giants
replaced Kevin Boss with Jake Ballard. This
year, the Giants hope to find another big target over the middle for Eli
Manning.


<div class="mod-inline image image-right">Pascoe has the most experience of all the
healthy tight ends. Beckum is still recovering from a torn ACL suffered in the
Super Bowl and might not be ready to play when the season starts.

</div>
Bennett is the guy the team hopes will step into the role after signing
him in free agency. But Bennett has to adjust to a new offense and show he can
handle a bigger role and fulfill his potential. Bennett missed some time in OTAs
due to a hamstring issue as the coaching staff wanted to see the tight end shed
some pounds.

The Giants drafted Robinson in the fourth round, but he is
raw and missed OTAs to finish up in school. He may be at least a year away from
contributing, but if he is really the "JPP of tight ends" -- as Jerry
Reese described him -- he'll show flashes and get better as the season
progresses.

The Giants like Hopkins, who has been on the practice squad.
He has shown flashes of good hands and is a big body at 6-5, 277 pounds.


WHAT THE COACHES ARE SAYING: "Except for Bear, there is
nobody that has done it before," offensive coordinator Kevin
Gilbride said. "You are hoping to have Bear as a swing guy, a second
tight end -- he could motion back and play the fullback position, give you what
he has always given. you which is unbelievable toughness and somehow making
plays that maybe you don't think that he should be able to make.

"He
always seems to make [those plays] for you -- not necessarily as your starting
tight end," Gilbride continued. "But right now he is the starting tight end.
Martellus was out and just barely got back. Adrien Robinson missed [OTAs]. So
right now we have a long way to go at that spot."

Gilbride, though,
acknowledged that he thought Ballard could be a good blocker and perhaps an
underneath target in the passing game before Ballard exceeded his expectations
and became a bigger threat.

"You are hoping Martellus [steps up]. ...
That is why he was brought here," Gilbride said. "You are hoping that Adrien
Robinson down the road would be the guy. If not, Bear is going to be the guy.


"We have been able to do it in the past. We have to do it again.


CAMP PREDICTION: Pascoe enters camp as the starter and
may be used more in the passing game out of necessity if Bennett isn't able to
get comfortable in the new system by the time the season opener rolls around.


Pascoe displayed an ability to catch balls down the middle in OTAs and
minicamp, and the Giants could lean on him early on until Bennett works his way
in and earns Manning's trust. Robinson might need this year to develop before
becoming a factor.

Beckum's impact all depends on his health and when he
will be able to come back. Also, it remains to be seen how much the Giants use
Beckum. When he was healthy last season, he wasn't utilized a ton as they leaned
more on Ballard and Pascoe with blocking in mind as well. The Giants might also
bring Beckum along slowly off his knee injury - as they should with an ACL
injury suffered in February -- so he might not start contributing until a few
weeks into the season, if not later.

Hopkins could be a dark horse since
tight ends coach Mike Pope has been able to develop guys like
Boss, Ballard and Pascoe. And because of that, you can't discount Purvis or
Donnell either, but they could potentially end up on the practice squad.


While Pascoe may be the guy Manning trusts in the passing game early on,
the Giants also can use fullback Henry Hynoski as a
short-yardage passing option if Bennett needs more time to get comfortable with
the offense.

Hynoski showed the ability to catch out of the backfield
late last season. I think Manning will look to Pascoe early until he develops a
rapport with Bennett or another tight end, and that gives Pascoe a step up on
the competition and the opportunity to seize the job."

BlueBlitzer
07-12-2012, 08:59 AM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.

GMENAGAIN
07-12-2012, 10:38 AM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</P>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </P>

RoanokeFan
07-12-2012, 11:23 AM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</p>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </p>

He blocks well enough for Gilbride.

GMENAGAIN
07-12-2012, 11:29 AM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</P>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </P>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</P>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</P>

RoanokeFan
07-12-2012, 11:38 AM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</p>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </p>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</p>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</p>


I got a totally different impression. I think this comment is all about his ability to block.

"Except for Bear, there is
nobody that has done it before," offensive coordinator Kevin
Gilbride said. "You are hoping to have Bear as a swing guy, a second
tight end -- he could motion back and play the fullback position, give you what
he has always given. you which is unbelievable toughness and somehow making
plays that maybe you don't think that he should be able to make.

miked1958
07-12-2012, 11:59 AM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</P>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker.* </P>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</P>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</P>Of course you want that breakout star at the position like a Whitten, gates or Davis. Those type TEs are few and far between. We may have one on the staff right now and not know it yet. However Pascoe made plays for us last season when asked to.

RoanokeFan
07-12-2012, 12:22 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</p>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </p>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</p>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</p>Of course you want that breakout star at the position like a Whitten, gates or Davis. Those type TEs are few and far between. We may have one on the staff right now and not know it yet. However Pascoe made plays for us last season when asked to.

We really do get all wrapped around the axle with "names" at every position. This is also the one position we seem to forget about what the organization wants from these players.

GameTime
07-12-2012, 12:27 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</P>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </P>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</P>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</P>


Of course you want that breakout star at the position like a Whitten, gates or Davis. Those type TEs are few and far between. We may have one on the staff right now and not know it yet. However Pascoe made plays for us last season when asked to.

We really do get all wrapped around the axle with "names" at every position. This is also the one position we seem to forget about what the organization wants from these players.
</P>


I like Pascoe and always have. I thoguht he would have done what Ballard did last year. I think now that he is not resposible for FB duties he will have more of the time he needs to get the TE job done. I also like Hopkins too from the few reports on him. There is a gem in that group somehwere. Up to Pope and TC to find him. </P>

RoanokeFan
07-12-2012, 02:21 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</p>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </p>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</p>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</p>


Of course you want that breakout star at the position like a Whitten, gates or Davis. Those type TEs are few and far between. We may have one on the staff right now and not know it yet. However Pascoe made plays for us last season when asked to.

We really do get all wrapped around the axle with "names" at every position. This is also the one position we seem to forget about what the organization wants from these players.
</p>


I like Pascoe and always have. I thoguht he would have done what Ballard did last year. I think now that he is not resposible for FB duties he will have more of the time he needs to get the TE job done. I also like Hopkins too from the few reports on him. There is a gem in that group somehwere. Up to Pope and TC to find him. </p>

We typically develop someone just in time it seems

GMENAGAIN
07-12-2012, 03:18 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</P>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </P>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</P>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</P>





I got a totally different impression. I think this comment is all about his ability to block.

"Except for Bear, there is nobody that has done it before," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "You are hoping to have Bear as a swing guy, a second tight end -- he could motion back and play the fullback position, give you what he has always given. you which is unbelievable toughness and somehow making plays that maybe you don't think that he should be able to make.
</P>


But then he goes on to say . . . . .</P>


"He always seems to make [those plays] for you -- <FONT size=4>not necessarily as your starting tight end,"</FONT> Gilbride continued. "But right now he is the starting tight end. Martellus was out and just barely got back. Adrien Robinson missed [OTAs]. <FONT size=4>So right now we have a long way to go at that spot."

</FONT>I don't dislike Pascoe . . . I think that he is a tough dude, but I just don't think that he is anywhere near a starting quality TE. There were times last year when he was literally thrown around like a rag doll by guys he was supposed to block.</P>


He did, though, make aHUGE play in the second Dallas game.</P>


Nothing would make me happier than to have this guy step up and have a Ballard-like year, but I just don't see it happening . . . . . </P>

G-Man67
07-13-2012, 06:21 AM
sounds like Hynoski will need to absorb some of Pascoe's old role and Pascoe will need to do his best Ballard impression, but who knows ... maybe Bennet can get it going in preseason

RoanokeFan
07-13-2012, 12:55 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</p>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </p>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</p>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</p>





I got a totally different impression. I think this comment is all about his ability to block.

"Except for Bear, there is nobody that has done it before," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "You are hoping to have Bear as a swing guy, a second tight end -- he could motion back and play the fullback position, give you what he has always given. you which is unbelievable toughness and somehow making plays that maybe you don't think that he should be able to make.
</p>


But then he goes on to say . . . . .</p>


"He always seems to make [those plays] for you -- <font size="4">not necessarily as your starting tight end,"</font> Gilbride continued. "But right now he is the starting tight end. Martellus was out and just barely got back. Adrien Robinson missed [OTAs]. <font size="4">So right now we have a long way to go at that spot."

</font>I don't dislike Pascoe . . . I think that he is a tough dude, but I just don't think that he is anywhere near a starting quality TE. There were times last year when he was literally thrown around like a rag doll by guys he was supposed to block.</p>


He did, though, make aHUGE play in the second Dallas game.</p>


Nothing would make me happier than to have this guy step up and have a Ballard-like year, but I just don't see it happening . . . . . </p>

Just remember, Shockey and Ballard didn't start out as Shockey and Ballard either. It takes time to be the tight end this team requires them to be. Our coaching staff is the most underrated part of this team.

jomo
07-13-2012, 01:48 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</P>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </P>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</P>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</P>





I got a totally different impression. I think this comment is all about his ability to block.

"Except for Bear, there is nobody that has done it before," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "You are hoping to have Bear as a swing guy, a second tight end -- he could motion back and play the fullback position, give you what he has always given. you which is unbelievable toughness and somehow making plays that maybe you don't think that he should be able to make.
</P>


But then he goes on to say . . . . .</P>


"He always seems to make [those plays] for you -- <FONT size=4>not necessarily as your starting tight end,"</FONT> Gilbride continued. "But right now he is the starting tight end. Martellus was out and just barely got back. Adrien Robinson missed [OTAs]. <FONT size=4>So right now we have a long way to go at that spot."

</FONT>I don't dislike Pascoe . . . I think that he is a tough dude, but I just don't think that he is anywhere near a starting quality TE. There were times last year when he was literally thrown around like a rag doll by guys he was supposed to block.</P>


He did, though, make aHUGE play in the second Dallas game.</P>


Nothing would make me happier than to have this guy step up and have a Ballard-like year, but I just don't see it happening . . . . . </P>




Just remember, Shockey and Ballard didn't start out as Shockey and Ballard either. It takes time to be the tight end this team requires them to be. Our coaching staff is the most underrated part of this team.
Two irrefutable points:</P>


1. We know we can win a Super Bowl with Pascoe.</P>


2. With the exception of QB, we should always be trying to upgrade everywhere. At right guard that would be difficult and VERY expensive. At tight end it would be easier and inexpensive. Let the competition begin.</P>

RoanokeFan
07-13-2012, 01:50 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</p>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker. </p>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</p>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</p>





I got a totally different impression. I think this comment is all about his ability to block.

"Except for Bear, there is nobody that has done it before," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "You are hoping to have Bear as a swing guy, a second tight end -- he could motion back and play the fullback position, give you what he has always given. you which is unbelievable toughness and somehow making plays that maybe you don't think that he should be able to make.
</p>


But then he goes on to say . . . . .</p>


"He always seems to make [those plays] for you -- <font size="4">not necessarily as your starting tight end,"</font> Gilbride continued. "But right now he is the starting tight end. Martellus was out and just barely got back. Adrien Robinson missed [OTAs]. <font size="4">So right now we have a long way to go at that spot."

</font>I don't dislike Pascoe . . . I think that he is a tough dude, but I just don't think that he is anywhere near a starting quality TE. There were times last year when he was literally thrown around like a rag doll by guys he was supposed to block.</p>


He did, though, make aHUGE play in the second Dallas game.</p>


Nothing would make me happier than to have this guy step up and have a Ballard-like year, but I just don't see it happening . . . . . </p>




Just remember, Shockey and Ballard didn't start out as Shockey and Ballard either. It takes time to be the tight end this team requires them to be. Our coaching staff is the most underrated part of this team.
Two irrefutable points:</p>


1. We know we can win a Super Bowl with Pascoe.</p>


2. With the exception of QB, we should always be trying to upgrade everywhere. At right guard that would be difficult and VERY expensive. At tight end it would be easier and inexpensive. Let the competition begin.</p>

+1

TrueBlue@NYC
07-13-2012, 01:53 PM
Still too early to really write off anyone at the position at this point, especially Bennett who was pretty much brought in to man the starting spot this year with Ballard likley out for the season (and now on the Pats). </P>


This is a spot that we wont know much about until a couple of pre-season games are played in the least. </P>

gmen46
07-13-2012, 04:10 PM
I'm probably alone in this thinking, but I see--and have seen for the past 2 years--Bear as the Dave Tollefson of our TEs.

Very reliable, does what is asked of him, whenever it is asked of him.

Consistently reliable on special teams as well as a back up to his position.

Has the occasional big play that keeps the occasional drive alive.

Great attitude, embraces his specific role.

Not a starter, but indispensable in his role. Versatile.

All these factors, but without a mom who abuses him over the phone on game day.

RoanokeFan
07-13-2012, 04:49 PM
I'm probably alone in this thinking, but I see--and have seen for the past 2 years--Bear as the Dave Tollefson of our TEs.

Very reliable, does what is asked of him, whenever it is asked of him.

Consistently reliable on special teams as well as a back up to his position.

Has the occasional big play that keeps the occasional drive alive.

Great attitude, embraces his specific role.

Not a starter, but indispensable in his role. Versatile.

All these factors, but without a mom who abuses him over the phone on game day.

You are not alone

JesseJames
07-13-2012, 06:39 PM
There seems to be one common theme with our TEs, that we can hang our hats on. Bennet, Pascoe,Robinson are all very good blockers. We do not really need them so much in the passing game right away. We have WRs and RBs who can catch passes. Two blocking Demons with the added muscle of Hynoski will move the sticks.</p>


Pascoe is not a very good blocker.* </p>




He blocks well enough for Gilbride.
</p>


I don't know . . . if you read that article it seems like Pascoe starting is like a last resort option for Gilbride.</p>





I got a totally different impression.* I think this comment is all about his ability to block.

"Except for Bear, there is nobody that has done it before," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "You are hoping to have Bear as a swing guy, a second tight end -- he could motion back and play the fullback position, give you what he has always given. you which is unbelievable toughness and somehow making plays that maybe you don't think that he should be able to make.
</p>


But then he goes on to say . . . . .</p>


"He always seems to make [those plays] for you -- <font size="4">not necessarily as your starting tight end,"</font> Gilbride continued. "But right now he is the starting tight end. Martellus was out and just barely got back. Adrien Robinson missed [OTAs]. <font size="4">So right now we have a long way to go at that spot."

</font>I don't dislike Pascoe . . . I think that he is a tough dude, but I just don't think that he is anywhere near a starting quality TE.* There were times last year when he was literally thrown around like a rag doll by guys he was supposed to block.</p>


He did, though, make a*HUGE play in the second Dallas game.</p>


Nothing would make me happier than to have this guy step up and have a Ballard-like year, but I just don't see it happening . . . . . </p>

Just remember, Shockey and Ballard didn't start out as Shockey and Ballard either.* It takes time to be the tight end this team requires them to be.** Our coaching staff is the most underrated part of this team.

If my memory serves me right Shockey came to the Giants as more of a receiving TE with not too much blocking experience, thanks to Dan Campbell for doing a whole lot in the way of teaching Shockey a lot of his blocking skills..

Jobarulz
07-15-2012, 08:01 PM
Translation: The Giants will get good blocking from TE's, but not a lot of receiving production. I'm actually okay with this considering the Giants have all kinds of talent at the WR position.