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TuckYou
07-11-2012, 03:48 PM
I was just watching Jaws talk about his QB rankings and it gave me a good idea. Since I dont feel like doing all of them because it would require a bunch of time, Im going to try to give an unbiased top 10 for every position for the 2011 season including playoffs, starting with the QBs:


1- Drew Brees = Brees had a ridiculous regular season smashing records left and right. He threw for an NFL record 5,476 yards and had 46 TDs and 14 INTs. With an average of 8.3 yards per attempt, it placed him 4th in the league. Brees seems to make any WR look like a superstar, and he does. With a bad defense and a struggling running game, Brees still lit up the NFL through the air with an amazing 71.2% completion percentage, tops in the league. But all of that still got him a second round exit since the teams passing numbers were not as strong outside of the Superdome.

2- Aaron Rodgers = Rodgers had an amazing year for the Packers. He threw for 4,643 yards, and a jaw dropping 45 Tds to 6 INTs. His accuracy is amazing. Rodgers also has another tool in the running game. He is able to scramble and make plays happen outside the pocket about as good as anyone in the NFL. His 9.2 yards per attempt was tops in the league. He was amazing in the regular season and the reason the Packers were 15-1. Even as great as Rodgers is though, he was beaten in the forst round at home by the eventual superbowl champs, the New York Giants.

3- Eli Manning = They said Eli was coming and they were right. This may have been his best year as a pro. Eli may not of rocked out in the regular season with only 29TDs while throwing 16 picks, but he did manage to get 4,933 yards. Eli led the GMEN even with his running game LAST in the NFL and a defense that gave up 400 points. His play was fantastic down the stretch and right through the playoffs. His clutch gene was exploding as he set the NFL record for 4<SUP>th</SUP> quarter Tds with 15, and had amazing comebacks throughout the year. He averaged 8.4 yards per attempt, good enough for 3<SUP>rd</SUP> in the league. His 2<SUP>nd</SUP> Superbowl MVP award pushed Eli into the top 3 Qbs for the 2011 Season.

4- Tom Brady (*EDIT)= Tom had another terrific year to add to his Hall Of Fame resume. He threw for 5,235 yards and had 39TDs with only 12 INTs. His great play made some of the best TE's in the game. His great style of play led the Pats all the way to the Superbowl. The Patriots once again struggled on defense though and forced Brady to throw the ball to win the game. Defenses knew this and couldnt stop it. His 8.6 yards per attempt was good enough for 2<SUP>nd</SUP> in the league. His 42.7% 1<SUP>st</SUP> down percentage was tops in the league. All this is great, but he does seem to wilt under a certain blue type of pass rush.

5- Matt Stafford (*EDIT)= Stafford had an incredible, put you on the map type year. He threw for 5,038 yards and had 41TDs and 16 INTs. His amazing play turned the horrible Lions into a playoff team almost overnight. Matt had all these great numbers even with a terrible run game and a defense that couldnt stop anyone. Also, his only real weapon on offense was Calvin Johnson who was triple teamed most the year. This was the first year that Stafford was healthy and started all 16 games. If he can do this in the future, he will be a top 3 QB. The Lions would lose in the first round of the playoffs however.

6- Tony Romo = Romo had a career year. Some would like to say better then the 2 time Superbowl MVP Champion Eli Manning. Some would be wrong. But Tony's numbers were extremely solid. He threw for 4,184 yards and had 31 Tds and only 10 INTs. He can also bring in the scrabling game to buy time and make a play on the run. He played great QB in 2011, but it wasnt enough to beat the Giants out for the division as they played for it in the final week.

7- Matt Ryan = Ryan had a very good year for the Falcons. He threw for 4,177 yards and had 29 Tds and only 12 INTs. He got his Falcons into the playoffs but couldnt muster up anything for a run, scoring zero points on offense. He did manage many games well though in 2011 and I expect him to continue to improve his over all game as his career builds.

8- Phillip Rivers = Rivers took a step back in 2011 but still managed to break my top 10. Hr threw for 4,624 yards and 27 Tds, but had 20 INTs and looked bad doing it. His 7.9 yards per attempt are good enough for 5<SUP>th</SUP> in the league. He was unable to get his Chargers to the playoffs.

9- Alex Smith = I have to put Smith in the top 10. He had a very efficient year, capped off by a solid performance in the playoffs. He only threw for 3,144 yards during the regular season, but did have 17Tds to only 5 INTs. He obviously benefitted from a great defense, but he also was the reason they beat the Saints in SF during the playoffs. He had some great throws throughout the playofffs including against the Giants in the NFC Championship game where they would eventually lose.

10- Ben Roethlisburger = Ben had an ok year for the Steelers. He threw for 4,077 yards, but had only 21TDs with 14INTs. He did manage to get his Steelers into the playoffs though, but they were eliminated in the first round by Tim Tebow and the Broncos. Ben is always a tough QB to bring down and makes plays after contact, but seems to get injured every year, as was the case in 2011.</P>


NOTE- I flipped Brady and Stafford after looking attotal numbers (including postseason)more thoroughly.</P>


Next up, WRs. </P>


Thoughts?</P>
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GMENAGAIN
07-11-2012, 03:53 PM
C'mon man, you can't be serious.</P>


Stafford over Tom Brady? Alex Smith over Big Ben?</P>

TuckYou
07-11-2012, 04:00 PM
C'mon man, you can't be serious.</P>


Stafford over Tom Brady? Alex Smith over Big Ben?</P>


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Ha, those were the ones I was actually flip flopping on. Remember, it is just for the 2011 season. Stafford had a very solid year, look at those stats and think about who he had around him! I wouldn't mind a flip there since Brady did get them to the superbowl, although he didnt play amazing in it. But Im not putting Ben in front of Smith. Smith played excellent in the playoffs, better then in the regular season, just like Eli did. And he was a fumble away from going to the superbowl. Ben had a pretty average year. 21Tds to 14 INTs? First round playoff loss to Tim Tebow? </P>


Im not saying "Who would you rather have as a QB?", Im saying "Who was better for the 2011 season?".</P>


Also, I think the Pats benefitted from having one of the easier schedules lasy season, and will again this year.</P>

MikeIsaGiant
07-11-2012, 04:11 PM
I don't see why Stafford over Brady would be a surprise of the 2011 season.

Nice list

GmenFan1980
07-11-2012, 04:22 PM
ehh, I wasn't impressed with Alex smith play last year. but kudos to him for helping his kicker get the most field goals made in a season I believe.

Everything else I'm fine with, so I too say good list

JPizzack
07-11-2012, 05:25 PM
very detailed, good job.

I'd personally swap Brady and Stafford,</P>


drop Alex Smith completely since he's garbage, swap Ben and Rivers, move them both up a spot and then move Cam Newton to 10th</P>

JPizzack
07-11-2012, 05:36 PM
Next up, WRs.


Thoughts?</P>
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If we're not including TEs (Cuz Gronk and Graham would likely be top 10 receiving options) then I'd say:</P>


1. Megatron
2. Fitzgerald
3. Steve Smith
4. Roddy White
5. Welker
6. Cruz
7. Brandon Marshall
8. Hakeem Nicks
9. Mike Wallace
10. I can't choose between the following:

Dwayne Bowe
JordyNelson(underrated)
Vincent Jackson
Brandon Lloyd
JulioJones
Antonio Brown
ReggieWayne (though idk if he's as valuable nowadays)</P>


lots of talent out there.....hard to pick out that "bottom"of the best...</P>

gmen46
07-11-2012, 05:37 PM
C'mon man, you can't be serious.</P>


Stafford over Tom Brady?* Alex Smith over Big Ben?</P>

It's for 2011 play only, as Tuckyou clearly said.

And actually there is a strong argument to be made that not only Smith, but Flacco--again, in 2011--should be ranked just above Roethlisberger.

Flacco had fairly similar stats as Ben in 2011, plus he led his team in TWICE defeating the Steelers--a first time Ravens sweep of Steelers in HOW many years?--AND he had one hell of a better post season than did Big Ol' Ben, falling one dropped CERTAIN td short of winning the AFCC game (as opposed to Steelers losing to the inferior Broncos in Wild Card game).

Ntegrase96
07-11-2012, 07:25 PM
Good list.

Except for maybe Alex Smith.

WRs-- All I'm going to say is do not sleep on Dez Bryant. I think the kid will start putting it all together this year. He's taken a good approach to his conditioning and will finally get a full offseason.

TuckYou
07-11-2012, 08:24 PM
Good list. Except for maybe Alex Smith. WRs-- All I'm going to say is do not sleep on Dez Bryant. I think the kid will start putting it all together this year. He's taken a good approach to his conditioning and will finally get a full offseason.</P>


I dont think anyone is sleeping on Dez Bryant. He was a first round draft pick with amazing talent that flashes here and there. His issue is off the field and concentration. I am actually going to create another thread for the WRs. </P>


As for Romo, I dont think he is ever going to crack the top 5 QBs, but he is good enough to help you guys win. It is just those clutch situations that seperate Eli from him. </P>

TuckYou
07-11-2012, 08:31 PM
C'mon man, you can't be serious.</P>


Stafford over Tom Brady? Alex Smith over Big Ben?</P>


It's for 2011 play only, as Tuckyou clearly said. And actually there is a strong argument to be made that not only Smith, but Flacco--again, in 2011--should be ranked just above Roethlisberger. Flacco had fairly similar stats as Ben in 2011, plus he led his team in TWICE defeating the Steelers--a first time Ravens sweep of Steelers in HOW many years?--AND he had one hell of a better post season than did Big Ol' Ben, falling one dropped CERTAIN td short of winning the AFCC game (as opposed to Steelers losing to the inferior Broncos in Wild Card game).</P>


I have Flacco #11 and Cam #12. I like Flacco, but he just doesnt have "it" IMO. Im not saying hecant win the big one, just think he needsto get alot better.Cam did great things, actually unreal things, but it didnt help his team win many games. Im sure in the next few seasons he will move up the list. </P>


To round out the top 15, Id have Andy Dalton #13, Mike Vick #14 andMatt Hasselbeck#15</P>

GMENAGAIN
07-11-2012, 09:19 PM
very detailed, good job.

I'd personally swap Brady and Stafford,</P>


drop Alex Smith completely since he's garbage, swap Ben and Rivers, move them both up a spot and then move Cam Newton to 10th</P>


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Your changes would make the list much better</P>

TuckYou
07-12-2012, 10:00 AM
very detailed, good job.

I'd personally swap Brady and Stafford,</P>


drop Alex Smith completely since he's garbage, swap Ben and Rivers, move them both up a spot and then move Cam Newton to 10th</P>


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Your changes would make the list much better</P>


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Well, its your opinion. No way Id put Ben at #8 though. I had a tough time putting him at #10. I think Cam and Flacco could jump in front of him easily..</P>

jomo
07-12-2012, 10:57 AM
Other than Smith, who should be about 20 slots lower, the order is about right.</P>


Careful with giving a guy like Brees the top slot based on huge stats. He and his head coach are the only duo I know of that blatantly run up the score late in games just to claim statistical superiority. Certainly he's a top 3 QB but I would mark him down from #1 based solely on stat padding which is offensive.</P>

TuckYou
07-12-2012, 12:33 PM
Other than Smith, who should be about 20 slots lower, the order is about right.</P>


Careful with giving a guy like Brees the top slot based on huge stats. He and his head coach are the only duo I know of that blatantly run up the score late in games just to claim statistical superiority. Certainly he's a top 3 QB but I would mark him down from #1 based solely on stat padding which is offensive.</P>


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Smith had a better season then you guys would like to admitt. He was very efficient and got the team to the NFC Champ game and nearly won it. His career has been bad until this past season. </P>


Breesis ranked #1 because he is an amazing QB. Not trying to rank on stats alone, which is why Brady slipped due to easy schedule, better weapons, ect. I also incuded the postseason in my rankings but didnt list the results so here they are:</P>


Eli Manning, best postseason of all the QBs, an amazing 1,219 yards 9TDs and 1 INT. I just couldnt put him in front of Brees or Rodgers though as a total. This would put Eli at 6,152 yards and 38 TDs to 17 INTs, and a superbowl ring.</P>


Drew Brees had 928 yards and 7 TDs and 2INTs in 2 fewwer games then Eli and Brady in the playoffs. His totals are 6,404 yards, 53 TDs and 16 INTs.</P>


Tom Brady had 878 yards, 8TDs and 4 INTs, not that great which is why he slipped behind Stafford in my ranking. His totals were 6,113 yards, 47 TDs and 16 INTs.</P>


Aaron Rodgers only played one game and had 264 yards, 2TDs and1 INTs, and those TDs are very generous gifts by the refferees. His total numbers were 4,907 yards, 47 TDs to 7 INTs.</P>


Matt Stafford in one game had 380 yards, 3TDs and 2 INTs giving him a total of 5,418 yards, 44TDs and 18INTs. </P>


After looking at it this way, I think I would swap Brady and Stafford, but it isnt exactly a run away for Brady. </P>

Ntegrase96
07-12-2012, 02:32 PM
Good list. Except for maybe Alex Smith. WRs-- All I'm going to say is do not sleep on Dez Bryant. I think the kid will start putting it all together this year. He's taken a good approach to his conditioning and will finally get a full offseason.</P>


I dont think anyone is sleeping on Dez Bryant. He was a first round draft pick with amazing talent that flashes here and there. His issue is off the field and concentration. I am actually going to create another thread for the WRs. </P>


As for Romo, I dont think he is ever going to crack the top 5 QBs, but he is good enough to help you guys win. It is just those clutch situations that seperate Eli from him. </P>

I agree that's what separates them, but I don't think it's because Romo is lacking. He actually has had many, many clutch moments in his career, but they've been marred by the tone setting 'botched hold' in Seattle and a few other games.

But if that's the only thing separating Romo from Eli, what if Romo wins a championship? Suddenly he's got the great stats and hardware to prove it.

I think in public perception, Romo could easily leap frog Eli into the top 5 if the Cowboys win it all.

But it's a big if.

TuckYou
07-12-2012, 03:10 PM
Good list. Except for maybe Alex Smith. WRs-- All I'm going to say is do not sleep on Dez Bryant. I think the kid will start putting it all together this year. He's taken a good approach to his conditioning and will finally get a full offseason.</P>


I dont think anyone is sleeping on Dez Bryant. He was a first round draft pick with amazing talent that flashes here and there. His issue is off the field and concentration. I am actually going to create another thread for the WRs. </P>


As for Romo, I dont think he is ever going to crack the top 5 QBs, but he is good enough to help you guys win. It is just those clutch situations that seperate Eli from him. </P>


I agree that's what separates them, but I don't think it's because Romo is lacking. He actually has had many, many clutch moments in his career, but they've been marred by the tone setting 'botched hold' in Seattle and a few other games. But if that's the only thing separating Romo from Eli, what if Romo wins a championship? Suddenly he's got the great stats and hardware to prove it. I think in public perception, Romo could easily leap frog Eli into the top 5 if the Cowboys win it all. But it's a big if.</P>


I think that is what seperates Eli from a lot of the other QBs. His clutchness. His ability to turn out the pressure of a situation or a city like New York and its media, and just go do what he is good at. Yeah, he does bone headed things at times, but Im not sure Id rather have another QB in the league with the ball down 4 and2 minutes left then Eli. Ive seen him do it time after time. You can say Brady and Rodgers and Brees, which are also all great choices to have, but there is something about Eli getting it done. </P>


IF Romo wins it all next year and has a great season, then yeah, he gets put into another category. Thats why people goofed on Eli until he won it in 07'. Actually, it took Eli 2 times to win the Superbowl MVP before gettign the respect. Just last year he wasnt in the top 100 players in the NFL according to his peers. Kinda like Romo right now. Romo was what, 91? Heis better then that and important to the Cowboys franchise. Butwould you really rather have Romo with the ball down 4 with 2 minutes to go over Eli? Oreven just in the playoffs? </P>


Besides, if Romo won it all, he still wouldnt be in front of Eli until he did it again, and might not even after that.</P>

Morehead State
07-12-2012, 03:28 PM
I've come to the conclusion that these inane lists are bad for America.

Ntegrase96
07-12-2012, 06:52 PM
I think that is what seperates Eli from a lot of the other QBs. His clutchness. His ability to turn out the pressure of a situation or a city like New York and its media, and just go do what he is good at. Yeah, he does bone headed things at times, but Im not sure Id rather have another QB in the league with the ball down 4 and2 minutes left then Eli. Ive seen him do it time after time. You can say Brady and Rodgers and Brees, which are also all great choices to have, but there is something about Eli getting it done. </p>


IF Romo wins it all next year and has a great season, then yeah, he gets put into another category. Thats why people goofed on Eli until he won it in 07'. Actually, it took Eli 2 times to win the Superbowl MVP before gettign the respect. Just last year he wasnt in the top 100 players in the NFL according to his peers. Kinda like Romo right now. Romo was what, 91? Heis better then that and important to the Cowboys franchise. Butwould you really rather have Romo with the ball down 4 with 2 minutes to go over Eli? Oreven just in the playoffs? </p>


Besides, if Romo won it all, he still wouldnt be in front of Eli until he did it again, and might not even after that.</p>

I think you may be bowing down to 'clutch factor' a bit too much here. I'm not saying it's not important, nor am I saying that you overvalue the 'clutchtitude' (tm), but mass perception doesn't agree with you.

For instance. It's undeniable that Eli is the tops in terms of being clutch. But he still is ranked below guys with only 1 ring-- Brees and Rodgers. Not saying Romo would be considered amongst Brees or Rodgers if he wins one, but they aren't far off at all.

TuckYou
07-12-2012, 07:37 PM
I think that is what seperates Eli from a lot of the other QBs. His clutchness. His ability to turn out the pressure of a situation or a city like New York and its media, and just go do what he is good at. Yeah, he does bone headed things at times, but Im not sure Id rather have another QB in the league with the ball down 4 and2 minutes left then Eli. Ive seen him do it time after time. You can say Brady and Rodgers and Brees, which are also all great choices to have, but there is something about Eli getting it done. </P>


IF Romo wins it all next year and has a great season, then yeah, he gets put into another category. Thats why people goofed on Eli until he won it in 07'. Actually, it took Eli 2 times to win the Superbowl MVP before gettign the respect. Just last year he wasnt in the top 100 players in the NFL according to his peers. Kinda like Romo right now. Romo was what, 91? Heis better then that and important to the Cowboys franchise. Butwould you really rather have Romo with the ball down 4 with 2 minutes to go over Eli? Oreven just in the playoffs? </P>


Besides, if Romo won it all, he still wouldnt be in front of Eli until he did it again, and might not even after that.</P>




I think you may be bowing down to 'clutch factor' a bit too much here. I'm not saying it's not important, nor am I saying that you overvalue the 'clutchtitude' (tm), but mass perception doesn't agree with you.

For instance. It's undeniable that Eli is the tops in terms of being clutch. But he still is ranked below guys with only 1 ring-- Brees and Rodgers. Not saying Romo would be considered amongst Brees or Rodgers if he wins one, but they aren't far off at all.



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So if Romo put up his career yearly average numbers next year and won a superbowl, you would put him in front of Eli all time?</P>


And I do have Eli ranked below Rodgers and Brees and Brady for their careers. As Peyton. I put Eli in front of Ben, Romo and Rivers. He is not Dan Marino, not close. I understand there is more then just being clutch and winning superbowls to being a superstar QB. But I put huge weight in SB wins as thats all I really care about.</P>

Ntegrase96
07-13-2012, 09:50 AM
I think that is what seperates Eli from a lot of the other QBs. His clutchness. His ability to turn out the pressure of a situation or a city like New York and its media, and just go do what he is good at. Yeah, he does bone headed things at times, but Im not sure Id rather have another QB in the league with the ball down 4 and*2 minutes left then Eli. Ive seen him do it time after time. You can say Brady and Rodgers and Brees, which are also all great choices to have, but there is something about Eli getting it done. </P>


IF Romo wins it all next year and has a great season, then yeah, he gets put into another category. Thats why people goofed on Eli until he won it in 07'. Actually, it took Eli 2 times to win the Superbowl MVP before gettign the respect. Just last year he wasnt in the top 100 players in the NFL according to his peers. Kinda like Romo right now. Romo was what, 91? He*is better then that and important to the Cowboys franchise. But*would you really rather have Romo with the ball down 4 with 2 minutes to go over Eli? Or*even just in the playoffs? </P>


Besides, if Romo won it all, he still wouldnt be in front of Eli until he did it again, and might not even after that.*</P>




I think you may be bowing down to 'clutch factor' a bit too much here. I'm not saying it's not important, nor am I saying that you overvalue the 'clutchtitude' (tm), but mass perception doesn't agree with you.

For instance. It's undeniable that Eli is the tops in terms of being clutch. But he still is ranked below guys with only 1 ring-- Brees and Rodgers. Not saying Romo would be considered amongst Brees or Rodgers if he wins one, but they aren't far off at all.



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So if Romo put up his career yearly average numbers next year and won a superbowl, you would put him in front of Eli all time?</P>


And I do have Eli ranked below Rodgers and Brees and Brady for their careers. As Peyton. I put Eli in front of Ben, Romo and Rivers. He is not Dan Marino, not close. I understand there is more then just being clutch and winning superbowls to being a superstar QB. But I put huge weight in SB wins as thats all I really care about.</P>

Think you're misunderstanding me Tuck.

I, personally, don't know where I would place Romo on an all time list if he wins a superbowl.-- Really, I don't know where I would place any current player on an all time list except for Peyton and Brady.

But I can see how Romo would be ranked ahead of Eli if he were to win a superbowl by the media along with a lot of fans around the NFL. It really depends on what fashion the superbowl is won in.

You know how QB rankings fluctuate from year to year. We were all laughing at Eli's "I think I'm elite" (paraphrasing) comments last offseason. Now look at him.

If Romo tosses 40 TDs (which he's capable of) and wins a superbowl while throwing for nearly 4500 yards or so-- people will barely remember all his blunders and start focusing on the things he has done well: Great numbers, 2nd best QB rating all time, the comeback drives against San Fran, the simply outstanding December he had last year... etc. Hell, people might even start focusing on the drive up to the famous bobbled snap-- which was brilliant.

The general consensus on Romo will shift immensely if he wins one.

It's just all about perspective.

That's all I'm saying.

TuckYou
07-13-2012, 10:27 AM
I think that is what seperates Eli from a lot of the other QBs. His clutchness. His ability to turn out the pressure of a situation or a city like New York and its media, and just go do what he is good at. Yeah, he does bone headed things at times, but Im not sure Id rather have another QB in the league with the ball down 4 and2 minutes left then Eli. Ive seen him do it time after time. You can say Brady and Rodgers and Brees, which are also all great choices to have, but there is something about Eli getting it done. </P>


IF Romo wins it all next year and has a great season, then yeah, he gets put into another category. Thats why people goofed on Eli until he won it in 07'. Actually, it took Eli 2 times to win the Superbowl MVP before gettign the respect. Just last year he wasnt in the top 100 players in the NFL according to his peers. Kinda like Romo right now. Romo was what, 91? Heis better then that and important to the Cowboys franchise. Butwould you really rather have Romo with the ball down 4 with 2 minutes to go over Eli? Oreven just in the playoffs? </P>


Besides, if Romo won it all, he still wouldnt be in front of Eli until he did it again, and might not even after that.</P>




I think you may be bowing down to 'clutch factor' a bit too much here. I'm not saying it's not important, nor am I saying that you overvalue the 'clutchtitude' (tm), but mass perception doesn't agree with you.

For instance. It's undeniable that Eli is the tops in terms of being clutch. But he still is ranked below guys with only 1 ring-- Brees and Rodgers. Not saying Romo would be considered amongst Brees or Rodgers if he wins one, but they aren't far off at all.



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So if Romo put up his career yearly average numbers next year and won a superbowl, you would put him in front of Eli all time?</P>


And I do have Eli ranked below Rodgers and Brees and Brady for their careers. As Peyton. I put Eli in front of Ben, Romo and Rivers. He is not Dan Marino, not close. I understand there is more then just being clutch and winning superbowls to being a superstar QB. But I put huge weight in SB wins as thats all I really care about.</P>


Think you're misunderstanding me Tuck. I, personally, don't know where I would place Romo on an all time list if he wins a superbowl.-- Really, I don't know where I would place any current player on an all time list except for Peyton and Brady. But I can see how Romo would be ranked ahead of Eli if he were to win a superbowl by the media along with a lot of fans around the NFL. It really depends on what fashion the superbowl is won in. You know how QB rankings fluctuate from year to year. We were all laughing at Eli's "I think I'm elite" (paraphrasing) comments last offseason. Now look at him. If Romo tosses 40 TDs (which he's capable of) and wins a superbowl while throwing for nearly 4500 yards or so-- people will barely remember all his blunders and start focusing on the things he has done well: Great numbers, 2nd best QB rating all time, the comeback drives against San Fran, the simply outstanding December he had last year... etc. Hell, people might even start focusing on the drive up to the famous bobbled snap-- which was brilliant. The general consensus on Romo will shift immensely if he wins one. It's just all about perspective. That's all I'm saying.</P>


That I agree with. For some reason, Eli gets disrespected more then any great QB I can remember on any team. It might be the goofy aw shucks faces and posture, or the fact he is Peytons little brother and cant shake that title. Or the fact he pretty much said "Go F%$K Yourselves San Diego." in the draft and his peers and fans didnt like it. Maybe a bit of all. Either way, he has already surpassed my expectations. I would of been grateful for 1 SB win.</P>


I could see the media being all over Romo though if he does do what you just said. Absolutely. He would definately move up my list as well. I need to see him prove he can do it in the playoffs before I put him high in the rankings though. He can be a stat ***** all he wants. If he doesnt win in the playoffs, its all for not. Marino even said he would trade all the stats and HOF career for a ring. </P>

gumby742
07-16-2012, 09:23 AM
i was gonna say "Yous crazyyyy". But then I saw it was for 2011 only ...

TuckYou
07-16-2012, 10:37 PM
Good list.

Except for maybe Alex Smith.

WRs-- All I'm going to say is do not sleep on Dez Bryant. I think the kid will start putting it all together this year. He's taken a good approach to his conditioning and will finally get a full offseason.

Don't sleep on Prison Dez Bryant, he is a outlaw for sure... Arrested again.

Ntegrase96
07-17-2012, 11:05 AM
Good list.

Except for maybe Alex Smith.

WRs-- All I'm going to say is do not sleep on Dez Bryant. I think the kid will start putting it all together this year. He's taken a good approach to his conditioning and will finally get a full offseason.

Don't sleep on Prison Dez Bryant, he is a outlaw for sure... Arrested again.

I heard about that this morning on the local radio, driving to work.

First time he's been arrested, but a disappointment for sure. I can't comment much on it yet since they haven't released the details other than it was a domestic dispute with his half brother and that he turned himself in.

One thing is for sure, he has to stop hanging out with his past friends and he definitely needs football to stay out of trouble.