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Marvelousmik
08-17-2012, 04:02 AM
We always talk about seeing improvements by our rookies and guys trying to make the roster, but what about our starters? There's no denying the fact the Giants are a great team. However, no player is perfect and there are a few improvements id like to see made in this upcoming season.

1.In my opinion Victor Cruz is not only the best slot receiver in the NFL but probably one of the hardest receivers to cover 1v1. What id like to see cruz improve on this year is his focus on the ball. He's had a lot of easy drops in the past because of him taking his eye off of the ball. If he focuses more on catching the ball first, i think he will have an even better season that last year.

2. When it comes to the D Line, Everyone knows the giants have the best pass rushing ends in the NFL. But this season i'd like to see our D tackles get better penetration during passing plays. I felt like on passing downs we weren't able to get much push up the middle. If we improve there, i think we will lead in NFL in sacks this year.

3. Last but not least is the offensive line. If you're reading this, im sure many of you will think im crazy for saying this, but as far as pass protection goes, i think our O Line did a pretty solid job last year. Yes they had some horrible games and yes eli got knocked around plenty of times, especially during the 49ers game. But i think if you were to look at the tape carefully (not just the highlights) and you were to grade our pass blocking in every game as a whole, i think the line did a good job. Especially during many of those 4th quarter come backs.

Where id like to see them really improve is in the run game. if we can get our running game back on track, i think we have a chance to repeat.

What are your thoughts?

Toadofsteel
08-17-2012, 04:40 AM
Primarily, I want to see improvement in the secondary. It was mostly all kinds of bad for most of the season, although that was largely due to more DB's being injured than healthy. Also, they held very well in the postseason. If they play more like they did in the postseason than they did for the first 14-15 weeks, we'll be fine.

O-line run-blocking, no brainer. However, I actually agree with the OP on the pass protection. SF was a bit of an anomaly because their defense rushes 6 or 7 a lot. They like to send the house. That's why Eli was on the ground a lot. But that's also why Victor Cruz was only being covered by one guy for most of the game. Short quick passes are the way to defeat a team that stuffs the box and sends the house at you.

Finally, I want to see Eli improve. Yes, he is already a top-tier QB, and yes, he held the team together in 2011. But he's always striving to improve his game and fix problems in his play. I give the man a lot of credit for recognizing that he had a MAJOR problem in 2010 (a giant cargo container filled with interceptions), and going out and fixing that. THAT is what separates the good from the great. I expect even greater things from him in 2012.

Rat_bastich
08-17-2012, 05:11 AM
Strength and Conditioning coaches and medical staff......get them back on the field quick doc!

Mohann
08-17-2012, 07:28 AM
The oline was terrible last year. I dunno what you were watching. Here is an article saying eli faced pressure 220 time last year vs 147 for the next highest top ten passer.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-8-eli-manning-qb-new-york-giants/

TheEnigma
08-17-2012, 07:50 AM
The oline was terrible last year. I dunno what you were watching. Here is an article saying eli faced pressure 220 time last year vs 147 for the next highest top ten passer.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-8-eli-manning-qb-new-york-giants/

Great article. Kind of scary to imagine how good Eli might be if we had actual talent on the O-line. Other than the Bears, I can't see any O-line that is worse than ours so far heading into the 2012 season. For the most part, they have nowhere to go but up.

nhpgiantsfan
08-17-2012, 09:40 AM
O-line has the most room for improvement. Would also like to see the LB's improve this year.

GameTime
08-17-2012, 09:46 AM
In general.....and not player specific.
the OL, the DBs, and the running game all need to kick it up a few notches.

ryan12
08-17-2012, 11:45 AM
All of them

Marvelousmik
08-17-2012, 11:49 AM
The oline was terrible last year. I dunno what you were watching. Here is an article saying eli faced pressure 220 time last year vs 147 for the next highest top ten passer.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-8-eli-manning-qb-new-york-giants/

Interesting article. But it also talks about Eli throwing the ball 20 + yards in the air 20 more times than all other QBs in the NFL. The Giants run a high risk offense, and in this system the QB needs to hold on to the ball longer in order to make the big plays. The packers O line pass blocking wise has been one of the worse over the last few years. The packers make up for this with quick passes, and a pretty good running game. Not having a running game also puts pressure on the O line, because teams can sometimes disregard the run and pin their ears back. That could be part of the reason why Eli threw the ball the 4th most times in the NFL, which is also something that article didnt point out.

I think the problem was when the O line had a bad game they really really played bad. The 2 worse games ive ever seen our o line play was probably the first redskins game and the playoff game vs the 49ers. This may easily overshadow the many games where they blocked solid.
Last but not least It is also fair to note that out of the top 10 Qb's in the NFL last year only matt ryan and drew brees were sacked fewer times than Eli. When it comes to the O line stats are very misleading, even the ones i just mentioned. I'm not saying Our O line was incredible last year, all im saying is that they werent as bad as you think (Pass blocking wise)

FIFTY6G-MAN
08-17-2012, 12:05 PM
all of themthis!!!^^^

RoanokeFan
08-17-2012, 01:28 PM
There's only one answer ALL OF THEM

GCGiant
08-17-2012, 01:43 PM
Last but not least It is also fair to note that out of the top 10 Qb's in the NFL last year only matt ryan and drew brees were sacked fewer times than Eli. When it comes to the O line stats are very misleading, even the ones i just mentioned.

If Eli was pressured far more than any other QB in the league...an average of 4 times more/game, according to the article... then, IMO, you have to give a lot of credit to Eli for being able to avoid sacks under pressure by getting rid of the ball early or throwing it away...not worrying about QB rating..

JimC
08-17-2012, 01:51 PM
All of them

I'm with you.

jomo
08-17-2012, 03:38 PM
There's only one answer ALL OF THEMThat's the attitude that winners are made from!

ponch inda face
08-17-2012, 03:39 PM
I'd also like to see the starters on the O-line perform much, much better than they did last season. I think the team needs that more than improvement in the secondary and the LB positions. At least those aspects of the defense can be masked by our pass rushing strength and scheme. Another sub-par season by the O-line and we are potentially looking at another season of running struggles and needing another top performance from Eli and the receivers. Cruz obvioulsly snuck up on some people last year and a lot of the quick throws due to the bad blocking were to Cruz. His route running and hands complemented Eli having to get rid of the ball quickly. Defenses will be keyed in on him this yr as the number 1a receiver as they did as the season went on ("Make em throw to Manningham, make em throw to Pascoe"). I don't know the likelihood of whoever our third receiver is having the type of season Cruz had. I'd love it, but I don't see it. Those numbers are tought to match.

jomo
08-17-2012, 04:24 PM
I'd also like to see the starters on the O-line perform much, much better than they did last season. I think the team needs that more than improvement in the secondary and the LB positions. At least those aspects of the defense can be masked by our pass rushing strength and scheme. Another sub-par season by the O-line and we are potentially looking at another season of running struggles and needing another top performance from Eli and the receivers. Cruz obvioulsly snuck up on some people last year and a lot of the quick throws due to the bad blocking were to Cruz. His route running and hands complemented Eli having to get rid of the ball quickly. Defenses will be keyed in on him this yr as the number 1a receiver as they did as the season went on ("Make em throw to Manningham, make em throw to Pascoe"). I don't know the likelihood of whoever our third receiver is having the type of season Cruz had. I'd love it, but I don't see it. Those numbers are tought to match.Our third receiver was Manningham not Cruz and those numbers won't be nearly as tough to match.

Tuckit91
08-17-2012, 04:25 PM
All of them!!!

Captain Chaos
08-17-2012, 08:32 PM
All of them

Ditto!!!!!!!!