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BlueJayC
12-13-2011, 05:33 PM
Well.....it's definitely not a Super Bowl Ring......

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very impressive..
Kinda suprising no? You would think Brees/Brady/Rodgers would have had one season with those #s

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I find that surprising. I would of guessed there were more than just three 400 yard games...

So many records on the line this year...The new pass happy league is in full effect.

BigBlueFanNJ
12-13-2011, 05:43 PM
Lol...beat me to it!!! nice one BlueJayC

giantsfan39
12-13-2011, 05:49 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.

UK-Giantsfan
12-13-2011, 05:51 PM
They both singlehandedly tried to rescue their season with the worst D in the league supporting them ?

keyofgmen
12-13-2011, 05:53 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.


While that may be true...it is what it is.

Of course...Eli has 3 more chances at another 400 yarder!!!

gumby742
12-13-2011, 06:03 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>

gumby742
12-13-2011, 06:04 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players. While they aren't cheating, it's just much much much easier to throw the ball.</P>

DragonSoul
12-13-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This.* Marino's record being* broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>if thats the case, why have no others done so? inquiring minds want to know.

gumby742
12-13-2011, 06:15 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


if thats the case, why have no others done so? inquiring minds want to know.</P>


Because Marino was that good. But his TD record was already broken which was another record thought untouchable.</P>

DragonSoul
12-13-2011, 06:21 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This.* Marino's record being* broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


if thats the case, why have no others done so? inquiring minds want to know.</P>


Because Marino was that good.* But his TD record was already broken which was another record thought untouchable.</P>was referring to other qbs having 3+ 400 yard games in the last few yrs including this 1 if its as you say it is. Not Peyton, nor brady, brees or rodgers...

Drez
12-13-2011, 06:25 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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What does that have to do with how many 400+ yard games Eli's had this season? </P>


Yes, it's a more passer friendly league now, yet, even with the more friendly rules only Eli has been able to do it since Marino.</P>


This isn't something that saying that Eli is better than Marino, but just something that shows how great of a season Eli is having and the historical company he is keeping.</P>

Delicreep
12-13-2011, 06:37 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This.* Marino's record being* broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>

And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this.

Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli.

No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers.
No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on

You can let something just be--it is was it is

jax5338
12-13-2011, 07:14 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This.* Marino's record being* broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>

And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this.

Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli.

No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers.
No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on

You can let something just be--it is was it is

just classic gumby with the "yeah, but..." in regards to eli.

give it up man, give props where props are due. you love measuring eli to his peers, and none of them have ever done this so how about some respect? jeez.

FBomb
12-13-2011, 07:19 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is</P>


Hata gotta hate![;)]</P>

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very impressive..
Kinda suprising no? You would think Brees/Brady/Rodgers would have had one season with those #s


I was thinking the same thing.

stormblue
12-13-2011, 07:24 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.


how do you figure that.....with free agency and salary cap there's no way marino keeps 2 #1
wide recievers all those years. and once he lost them he literally sucked out his last 5 useless seasons culminating with his 6 int 60 point blowout in his last game against jax

he played in the AFC EAST which has always been a pass happy division in a pass happy conference that never played defense.

you remember all those 51 to 48 dolphin jet games don't you ?

thats back before the NFC got pass happy.
there was only favre and before that tarkenton.

all the way back down the decades of the
AFC it has been that way, run and shoot , air coryell , on and on ..they did that originally
to show flash and score lotsa points and show up the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust boring NFL .

over the last decade the NFC has become more pass happy......in the AFC its still the same.... always has been always will be.

marino played in the best of times for his style in a weak , pass happy division in a pass happy no defense conference.

he would probably be up there with the current top 5 or 10 QB's if he played today
but he wouldn't be 2,000 yards better.

stormblue
12-13-2011, 07:50 PM
back to the original question.....

neither one of them has won a playoff game in last 3 years.

Drez
12-13-2011, 08:11 PM
back to the original question..... neither one of them has won a playoff game in last 3 years.</P>


Neither has Brady.</P>

NoHuddle10
12-13-2011, 08:36 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.


how do you figure that.....with free agency and salary cap there's no way marino keeps 2 #1
wide recievers all those years. and once he lost them he literally sucked out his last 5 useless seasons culminating with his 6 int 60 point blowout in his last game against jax

he played in the AFC EAST which has always been a pass happy division in a pass happy conference that never played defense.

you remember all those 51 to 48 dolphin jet games don't you ?

thats back before the NFC got pass happy.
there was only favre and before that tarkenton.

all the way back down the decades of the
AFC it has been that way, run and shoot , air coryell , on and on ..they did that originally
to show flash and score lotsa points and show up the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust boring NFL .

over the last decade the NFC has become more pass happy......in the AFC its still the same.... always has been always will be.

marino played in the best of times for his style in a weak , pass happy division in a pass happy no defense conference.

he would probably be up there with the current top 5 or 10 QB's if he played today
but he wouldn't be 2,000 yards better.

You cant use solid logic to argue against Gumby and others like him.....

Not to mention Marino did so in Miami (no snow, no below freezing games, half the wind, and in a much worse division).

Also like you said Marino did this with two legit #1s

Eli is doing this in New York. With a second year UDFA WR, a second year UDFA TE, not to mention his #1 receiver has missed time, his number 2 receiver has missed time, his starting running back has missed time, and his run game has been worst in the league.

GiantWarfare
12-13-2011, 08:54 PM
tbh I'm very impressed/shocked.

Impressed at the season our QB is having, and shocked that he's only the 2nd QB to reach that milestone before his contemporaries in Brady/Peyton/Brees/Rodgers/Rivers etc.

Eli has been lights out this year...

FlyingTruck
12-13-2011, 09:02 PM
I'm a little surprised that it hasn't been done more often...but way to go Eli!

bELIeve_in_Giants
12-13-2011, 09:47 PM
Meanwhile on the Colts board, they are discussing Eli and like him, but can't compare him to Peyton b/c of the great rushing attack and defense the Giants have. Obviously, people are living the past regarding our team.

jomo
12-13-2011, 09:50 PM
They both singlehandedly tried to rescue their season with the worst D in the league supporting them ?As a longtime fan, the state of our sorry D makes me want to cry. Love Eli!

stormblue
12-13-2011, 10:03 PM
They both singlehandedly tried to rescue their season with the worst D in the league supporting them ?As a longtime fan, the state of our sorry D makes me want to cry. Love Eli!

i feel your pain.

Jiffy Jeff
12-13-2011, 10:13 PM
Well.....it's definitely not a Super Bowl Ring......



My thoughts exactly.

stormblue
12-13-2011, 10:21 PM
back to the original question..... neither one of them has won a playoff game in last 3 years.</P>


Neither has Brady.</P>

say what ?
if ya want to talk Brady go start another thread

the question was (and i quote)

"What do Eli Manning and Dan Marino have in common?"

what the heck does belichick's boy got to do with it ?

b'sides it was just a joke.
i'm good with eli , its taken some time to get
over Simms and admit that Eli is gonna be just
as good or better when its all said-n-done.

i was just pokin' a little fun at goober pyle.

but my statement was true....and it did answer the OP's question.

KidA
12-13-2011, 10:24 PM
I'm totally floored by this statistic. If I hadn't been sitting when I read it I think I would have fallen over.

I can't believe none of the other elite quarterbacks have done this yet. It seems like Brees throws for 400 yards every other week. And didn't Brady break every scoring/yardage record in the book back in 2007?

Congratulations to Eli and the receivers.

stormblue
12-13-2011, 10:34 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.


how do you figure that.....with free agency and salary cap there's no way marino keeps 2 #1
wide recievers all those years. and once he lost them he literally sucked out his last 5 useless seasons culminating with his 6 int 60 point blowout in his last game against jax

he played in the AFC EAST which has always been a pass happy division in a pass happy conference that never played defense.

you remember all those 51 to 48 dolphin jet games don't you ?

thats back before the NFC got pass happy.
there was only favre and before that tarkenton.

all the way back down the decades of the
AFC it has been that way, run and shoot , air coryell , on and on ..they did that originally
to show flash and score lotsa points and show up the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust boring NFL .

over the last decade the NFC has become more pass happy......in the AFC its still the same.... always has been always will be.

marino played in the best of times for his style in a weak , pass happy division in a pass happy no defense conference.

he would probably be up there with the current top 5 or 10 QB's if he played today
but he wouldn't be 2,000 yards better.

You cant use solid logic to argue against Gumby and others like him.....

Not to mention Marino did so in Miami (no snow, no below freezing games, half the wind, and in a much worse division).

Also like you said Marino did this with two legit #1s

Eli is doing this in New York. With a second year UDFA WR, a second year UDFA TE, not to mention his #1 receiver has missed time, his number 2 receiver has missed time, his starting running back has missed time, and his run game has been worst in the league.

i have to agree , he does this regardless of who's at running back or wide receivers, or slot receivers.....the o-line and center are always changing too.
he seems to get it done no matter who he has out there. heck tight ends too .

there are those QB's that are good because they have talent all around them.....

and there are QB's that make ordinary men
great players.

and its not about him......

whereas in miami it was always about him
ask any of their players or coaches.....
total bus driver

shotcalla39
12-13-2011, 10:56 PM
Cam Newton might do it .... He had 2 400 yard games this year
first 2 games

Drez
12-13-2011, 11:23 PM
Cam Newton might do it .... He had 2 400 yard games this year first 2 games</P>


It's possible, yes, but I don't know if he will. He hasn't even hit 300 yards since Week 5. Definitely not impossible, but his passing yards per game hasleveled out in the 200-250 range the past 2 months.</P>

BurnerNYG
12-13-2011, 11:30 PM
Cam Newton might do it .... He had 2 400 yard games this year first 2 games</P>


It's possible, yes, but I don't know if he will. He hasn't even hit 300 yards since Week 5. Definitely not impossible, but his passing yards per game has*leveled out in the 200-250 range the past 2 months.</P>That's because Steve Smith done cooled off or the defenses are taking him out of the game. Cam is definitely gonna hit 4000 though which is impressive for a rookie.

shotcalla39
12-13-2011, 11:30 PM
Cam Newton might do it .... He had 2 400 yard games this year first 2 games</P>


It's possible, yes, but I don't know if he will. He hasn't even hit 300 yards since Week 5. Definitely not impossible, but his passing yards per game has*leveled out in the 200-250 range the past 2 months.</P>

Cams a straight beast.. I traded dez bryant for can straighten up after week 3 in my fantasy league

Harooni
12-13-2011, 11:38 PM
I think its very cool, of course I agree you cant really compare stats form guys who played when you could bump rec and kill a QB.

RobCarpenter
12-14-2011, 12:11 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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<FONT color=#ff0000>Yeah, this has become such aneasy feat that no one else in the history of the NFL has accomplished it.</FONT></P>


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yatitle
12-14-2011, 12:14 AM
They both singlehandedly tried to rescue their season with the worst D in the league supporting them ?

+1

gumby742
12-14-2011, 09:42 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
</P>


This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is just classic gumby with the "yeah, but..." in regards to eli. give it up man, give props where props are due. you love measuring eli to his peers, and none of them have ever done this so how about some respect? jeez.</P>


Not sure what this has to do with Eli. This applies to ALL QBs in this day in age. Peyton, Brees, everyone.</P>

gumby742
12-14-2011, 09:44 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
</P>


This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is</P>


This applies to all QBs. Not just Eli. Peyton breaking Marino's TD record is just as worthless just as if any modern day QB broke his single season passing record as well.</P>


Geez. This it isn't always about Eli. It never was.</P>

gumby742
12-14-2011, 09:49 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
</P>


What does that have to do with how many 400+ yard games Eli's had this season? </P>


Yes, it's a more passer friendly league now, yet, even with the more friendly rules only Eli has been able to do it since Marino.</P>


This isn't something that saying that Eli is better than Marino, but just something that shows how great of a season Eli is having and the historical company he is keeping.</P>


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No, but the point is any record broken and any statistic in today's age needs to be revisited. This applies when comparing different eras period. Especially in this era. If you want to compare stats between the greats of previous eras and plain "good" qb's of this era. Our "good" qb's would smash most of the stats of yesterday. That's saying somerthing.</P>


If you want to say Eli is having a great year compared to his peers, sure thing. But comparing straight numbers to a qb from a different era is pretty near sighted.</P>

gumby742
12-14-2011, 09:54 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
how do you figure that.....with free agency and salary cap there's no way marino keeps 2 #1 wide recievers all those years. and once he lost them he literally sucked out his last 5 useless seasons culminating with his 6 int 60 point blowout in his last game against jax he played in the AFC EAST which has always been a pass happy division in a pass happy conference that never played defense. you remember all those 51 to 48 dolphin jet games don't you ? thats back before the NFC got pass happy. there was only favre and before that tarkenton. all the way back down the decades of the AFC it has been that way, run and shoot , air coryell , on and on ..they did that originally to show flash and score lotsa points and show up the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust boring NFL . over the last decade the NFC has become more pass happy......in the AFC its still the same.... always has been always will be. marino played in the best of times for his style in a weak , pass happy division in a pass happy no defense conference. he would probably be up there with the current top 5 or 10 QB's if he played today but he wouldn't be 2,000 yards better.</P>


Marino had 2 #1's for only a handful of seasons before Mark Duper got too old. Clayton was done soon after. After that his best WR was OJ McDuffie. Yeah. Who? However, he's NEVER had a 1000 rusher short of Bobby Humphries - once for like 1060 yards. Marino never had much a defense either. It wasn't until he was decrepit and old when Jimmy Johnson came along and gave him both those things. By then he was a shell of his former self and more a game manager.</P>


Anyone who's watched Marino play (i grew up in Florida for some of my life) would know he'd put up astronomical numbers in today's game.</P>

BlueJayC
12-14-2011, 10:16 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
how do you figure that.....with free agency and salary cap there's no way marino keeps 2 #1 wide recievers all those years. and once he lost them he literally sucked out his last 5 useless seasons culminating with his 6 int 60 point blowout in his last game against jax he played in the AFC EAST which has always been a pass happy division in a pass happy conference that never played defense. you remember all those 51 to 48 dolphin jet games don't you ? thats back before the NFC got pass happy. there was only favre and before that tarkenton. all the way back down the decades of the AFC it has been that way, run and shoot , air coryell , on and on ..they did that originally to show flash and score lotsa points and show up the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust boring NFL . over the last decade the NFC has become more pass happy......in the AFC its still the same.... always has been always will be. marino played in the best of times for his style in a weak , pass happy division in a pass happy no defense conference. he would probably be up there with the current top 5 or 10 QB's if he played today but he wouldn't be 2,000 yards better.</P>


Marino had 2 #1's for only a handful of seasons before Mark Duper got too old. Clayton was done soon after. After that his best WR was OJ McDuffie. Yeah. Who? However, he's NEVER had a 1000 rusher short of Bobby Humphries - once for like 1060 yards. Marino never had much a defense either. It wasn't until he was decrepit and old when Jimmy Johnson came along and gave him both those things. By then he was a shell of his former self and more a game manager.</P>


Anyone who's watched Marino play (i grew up in Florida for some of my life) would know he'd put up astronomical numbers in today's game.</P>


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At work so don't have the time to look it up but the SEASON PASSING ATTEMPTS stat could probably shed a little more light on this debate.......Marino versus the modern day QB's.....I'm not taking either side as others have said it's almost impossible to compare eras......though I will say this.....and I'm a huge Eli fan and I hate Marino but Marino had to throw to receivers who were gettinghand checked all the way down field, tackled and their heads taken off without penalty flags being thrown......basically much tighter coverages.</P>

gumby742
12-14-2011, 10:25 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
how do you figure that.....with free agency and salary cap there's no way marino keeps 2 #1 wide recievers all those years. and once he lost them he literally sucked out his last 5 useless seasons culminating with his 6 int 60 point blowout in his last game against jax he played in the AFC EAST which has always been a pass happy division in a pass happy conference that never played defense. you remember all those 51 to 48 dolphin jet games don't you ? thats back before the NFC got pass happy. there was only favre and before that tarkenton. all the way back down the decades of the AFC it has been that way, run and shoot , air coryell , on and on ..they did that originally to show flash and score lotsa points and show up the boring 3 yards and a cloud of dust boring NFL . over the last decade the NFC has become more pass happy......in the AFC its still the same.... always has been always will be. marino played in the best of times for his style in a weak , pass happy division in a pass happy no defense conference. he would probably be up there with the current top 5 or 10 QB's if he played today but he wouldn't be 2,000 yards better.</P>


Marino had 2 #1's for only a handful of seasons before Mark Duper got too old. Clayton was done soon after. After that his best WR was OJ McDuffie. Yeah. Who? However, he's NEVER had a 1000 rusher short of Bobby Humphries - once for like 1060 yards. Marino never had much a defense either. It wasn't until he was decrepit and old when Jimmy Johnson came along and gave him both those things. By then he was a shell of his former self and more a game manager.</P>


Anyone who's watched Marino play (i grew up in Florida for some of my life) would know he'd put up astronomical numbers in today's game.</P>


</P>


At work so don't have the time to look it up but the SEASON PASSING ATTEMPTS stat could probably shed a little more light on this debate.......Marino versus the modern day QB's.....I'm not taking either side as others have said it's almost impossible to compare eras......though I will say this.....and I'm a huge Eli fan and I hate Marino but Marino had to throw to receivers who were gettinghand checked all the way down field, tackled and their heads taken off without penalty flags being thrown......basically much tighter coverages.</P>


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The year he passed for 5k yards he threw it only 570 times or so. I forget the exact number. Brees has had 600+ pass attempts the last 3 out of 4 years. Marino has attempted 600+ passes only once or twice his entire career.</P>

Delicreep
12-14-2011, 10:36 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This.* Marino's record being* broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is</P>


This applies to all QBs.* Not just Eli.* Peyton breaking Marino's TD record is just as worthless just as if any modern day QB broke his single season passing record as well.</P>


Geez.* This it isn't always about Eli.* It never was.</P>

I'm tempted to just ignore your post (I mean...if you didn't put any thought into it, then why should I?) but I'm bored.

So we are in a pass happy league, and have been for a long time. The rules have changed, and it's easier for a QB to put up big numbers...is that your point?

Of the literally hundreds of QB's that have played under this QB friendly atmosphere, exactly none of them have reached this mark.

So your point is that it's easy to do this now--so easy in fact, that no one has done it?

I await your random and pointless reply.

And your protestations about it not being about Eli would be easier to swallow if it came from virtually anyone but you.

Nice sig by the way...really helps clarify how you couldn't possibly be making it about Eli.

gumby742
12-14-2011, 11:04 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
</P>


This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is</P>


This applies to all QBs. Not just Eli. Peyton breaking Marino's TD record is just as worthless just as if any modern day QB broke his single season passing record as well.</P>


Geez. This it isn't always about Eli. It never was.</P>


I'm tempted to just ignore your post (I mean...if you didn't put any thought into it, then why should I?) but I'm bored. So we are in a pass happy league, and have been for a long time. The rules have changed, and it's easier for a QB to put up big numbers...is that your point? So of the literally hundreds of QB's that have played under this QB friendly atmosphere, exactly none of them have reached this mark. So your point is that it's easy to do this now--so easy in fact, that no one has done it? I await your random and pointless reply. And your protestations about it not being about Eli would be easier to swallow if it came from virtually anyone but you. Nice sig by the way...really helps clarify how you couldn't possibly be making it about Eli.</P>


The OP's point is unclear. Whether it was desired or not, I took it like the OP was comparing Eli's accomplishments to Marino's accomplishments. That's where I had the problem. He is not comparing Eli to his peers. "Had the OP said, Eli is the first of the modern era QBs to come close to/break Marino's record."that would have been different. What's different? The fact that what the statement now says is that Eli is playing great football compared to other QBs of this era. He's comparing Eli to other QBs where the rules and everything are the same, or at least similar. However, once someone says Eli is playing great football compared to Marino, then it is flawed because you can't compare QBs of different eras.</P>


We play in a pass happy league. Any record that is broken really isn't as impressive as it should be. And yes. I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too. And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Clear enough?</P>

yoeddy
12-14-2011, 11:38 AM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
</P>


This.* Marino's record being* broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is</P>


This applies to all QBs.* Not just Eli.* Peyton breaking Marino's TD record is just as worthless just as if any modern day QB broke his single season passing record as well.</P>


Geez.* This it isn't always about Eli.* It never was.</P>


I'm tempted to just ignore your post (I mean...if you didn't put any thought into it, then why should I?) but I'm bored. So we are in a pass happy league, and have been for a long time. The rules have changed, and it's easier for a QB to put up big numbers...is that your point? So of the literally hundreds of QB's that have played under this QB friendly atmosphere, exactly none of them have reached this mark. So your point is that it's easy to do this now--so easy in fact, that no one has done it? I await your random and pointless reply. And your protestations about it not being about Eli would be easier to swallow if it came from virtually anyone but you. Nice sig by the way...really helps clarify how you couldn't possibly be making it about Eli.</P>


The OP's point is unclear.* Whether it was desired or not, I took it like the OP was comparing Eli's accomplishments to Marino's accomplishments.* That's where I had the problem.* He is not comparing Eli to his peers.* "Had the OP said, Eli is the first of the modern era QBs to come close to/break *Marino's record.*"that would have been different.* What's different?* The fact that what the statement now says is that Eli is playing great football compared to other QBs of this era.* He's comparing Eli to other QBs where the rules and everything are the same, or at least similar.* However, once someone says Eli is playing great football compared to Marino, then it is flawed because you can't compare QBs of different eras.</P>


We play in a pass happy league.* Any record that is broken really isn't as impressive as it should be.* And yes.* I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too.* And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Clear enough?</P>

I read the OP's post as an indicator that what Eli has done this season is rare for QBs in general...

gumby742
12-14-2011, 12:47 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
</P>


This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is</P>


This applies to all QBs. Not just Eli. Peyton breaking Marino's TD record is just as worthless just as if any modern day QB broke his single season passing record as well.</P>


Geez. This it isn't always about Eli. It never was.</P>


I'm tempted to just ignore your post (I mean...if you didn't put any thought into it, then why should I?) but I'm bored. So we are in a pass happy league, and have been for a long time. The rules have changed, and it's easier for a QB to put up big numbers...is that your point? So of the literally hundreds of QB's that have played under this QB friendly atmosphere, exactly none of them have reached this mark. So your point is that it's easy to do this now--so easy in fact, that no one has done it? I await your random and pointless reply. And your protestations about it not being about Eli would be easier to swallow if it came from virtually anyone but you. Nice sig by the way...really helps clarify how you couldn't possibly be making it about Eli.</P>


The OP's point is unclear. Whether it was desired or not, I took it like the OP was comparing Eli's accomplishments to Marino's accomplishments. That's where I had the problem. He is not comparing Eli to his peers. "Had the OP said, Eli is the first of the modern era QBs to come close to/break Marino's record."that would have been different. What's different? The fact that what the statement now says is that Eli is playing great football compared to other QBs of this era. He's comparing Eli to other QBs where the rules and everything are the same, or at least similar. However, once someone says Eli is playing great football compared to Marino, then it is flawed because you can't compare QBs of different eras.</P>


We play in a pass happy league. Any record that is broken really isn't as impressive as it should be. And yes. I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too. And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Clear enough?</P>


I read the OP's post as an indicator that what Eli has done this season is rare for QBs in general...</P>


Works for me.</P>

bELIeve_in_Giants
12-14-2011, 12:48 PM
I am the OP. My intent was to pass along a fun fact I got from twitter. Thank you.

gumby742
12-14-2011, 12:55 PM
I am the OP. My intent was to pass along a fun fact I got from twitter. Thank you.
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I just got shut up. Eli is playing amazing and I'm starting to believe in him and have confidence he'll lead us. I may not be as quick to accept him as an elite QBlike some here are, but it's no excuse for me to be a buzz kill either. I definitely am enjoying Eli's play as much as everyone else. Make no mistake about that.</P>

Tony Bruno
12-14-2011, 04:20 PM
Well.....it's definitely not a Super Bowl Ring......

Thats what I was guna say!!

giantsfan39
12-14-2011, 05:47 PM
Once again who cares about this record? How often has Rodgers had to play from behind?

The Giants are 1-2 in these 3 games. One was a loss to a West coast team who rarely wins on the road and to a backup QB, the other was a blowout and the last game was a win on blocked FG and was hardly a convincing win.

No other QB has done it because how often have other teams struggled the way the Giants have had this year?

Eli threw essentially 21 checkdowns in the Saints game in a row in garbage time. Some of the yards in the Seahawks game were in garbage time too weren't they?

It is kind of like the season in which Drew Brees threw for 5000 yards but the Saints were 8-8 and last place in their division.

Just tells me that the Giants have nothing but the passing game.

Drez
12-14-2011, 06:12 PM
Once again who cares about this record? How often has Rodgers had to play from behind?

The Giants are 1-2 in these 3 games. One was a loss to a West coast team who rarely wins on the road and to a backup QB, the other was a blowout and the last game was a win on blocked FG and was hardly a convincing win.

No other QB has done it because how often have other teams struggled the way the Giants have had this year?

Eli threw essentially 21 checkdowns in the Saints game in a row in garbage time. Some of the yards in the Seahawks game were in garbage time too weren't they?

It is kind of like the season in which Drew Brees threw for 5000 yards but the Saints were 8-8 and last place in their division.

Just tells me that the Giants have nothing but the passing game.
</P>


It's not a record, it's an accomplishment.</P>


It needn't be more than it is... an indicator that Eli is having an excellent year and has accomplished a vert rare feat: Throwing for 400 or more yards in 3 games in one season. So rare is this feat, that only one other QB in the entire history of the NFL has been able to do it (Marino's record is 4-400+ yard games in a season, iirc).</P>


Sure,a lot of the yards in the NO game were in garbage time (but then again, one could argue that almost that entire game was garbage time, lol)... </P>


But, in the Seattle game, only on our very last drive was the game out of reach, Eli only threw for 8 yards on that drive, which would have given him 412 yards on the day if you remove that drive.</P>


It also stands to mention then that one of Marino's 400+ yard games (470)came in a loss to the Raiders. I think it also goes without mentioning that the passing game was all the Dolphins ever had, too.</P>


But, to answer your question/comment about our struggling being the reason Eli has hit that mark... Yes, that bears a significant amount of truth to it. We have struggled this season. Our defense sucks and we have no running game. But, at the same time, when you do have QB's like Brady, Peyton, Brees, and now Rodgers putting up staggering numbers, one would think that this is an accomplishment that would have been attained by more than just Marino and Eli.</P>


What I don't understand is why this thread was met with anything other than: "Wow! That's neat. Eli's having a damn good year!"</P>

Drez
12-14-2011, 07:15 PM
broken really isn't as impressive as it should be. And yes. I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too. And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Marino played 17 years, so it isn't like he had a short career (Favre played 20).</P>


That being said, Favre beat Marino's career yards and TD record in his 17th season, sohe ended up doing it in the sameamount of time as Marino. </P>

Gianthunter
12-14-2011, 08:14 PM
Once again who cares about this record? How often has Rodgers had to play from behind?

The Giants are 1-2 in these 3 games. One was a loss to a West coast team who rarely wins on the road and to a backup QB, the other was a blowout and the last game was a win on blocked FG and was hardly a convincing win.

No other QB has done it because how often have other teams struggled the way the Giants have had this year?

Eli threw essentially 21 checkdowns in the Saints game in a row in garbage time. Some of the yards in the Seahawks game were in garbage time too weren't they?

It is kind of like the season in which Drew Brees threw for 5000 yards but the Saints were 8-8 and last place in their division.

Just tells me that the Giants have nothing but the passing game.
</P>


It's not a record, it's an accomplishment.</P>


It needn't be more than it is... an indicator that Eli is having an excellent year and has accomplished a vert rare feat: Throwing for 400 or more yards in 3 games in one season. So rare is this feat, that only one other QB in the entire history of the NFL has been able to do it (Marino's record is 4-400+ yard games in a season, iirc).</P>


Sure,a lot of the yards in the NO game were in garbage time (but then again, one could argue that almost that entire game was garbage time, lol)... </P>


But, in the Seattle game, only on our very last drive was the game out of reach, Eli only threw for 8 yards on that drive, which would have given him 412 yards on the day if you remove that drive.</P>


It also stands to mention then that one of Marino's 400+ yard games (470)came in a loss to the Raiders. I think it also goes without mentioning that the passing game was all the Dolphins ever had, too.</P>


But, to answer your question/comment about our struggling being the reason Eli has hit that mark... Yes, that bears a significant amount of truth to it. We have struggled this season. Our defense sucks and we have no running game. But, at the same time, when you do have QB's like Brady, Peyton, Brees, and now Rodgers putting up staggering numbers, one would think that this is an accomplishment that would have been attained by more than just Marino and Eli.</P>


What I don't understand is why this thread was met with anything other than: "Wow! That's neat. Eli's having a damn good year!"</P>To borrow from Harroni. " some peoples kids"[8-)]

Keithnyg
12-15-2011, 01:21 PM
There's no way Dan Marino is light years ahead of anyone else. He was a great QB. And the games are different, I agree. But you still throw a oblong shaped object to slightly contested recievers. I find it hard to believe Marino would just be Super Beast and throw for 6000 yards and 75 TD's. If it was that easy, in any era, we wouldn't be talking about DM not having a ring. Super Beast would have just won it himself and take all 55 super bowl rings for his own.

Btw clearly the op was NOT comparing Eli Manning to Dan Marino. It's just a interesting stat.

gumby742
12-15-2011, 02:08 PM
broken really isn't as impressive as it should be. And yes. I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too. And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Marino played 17 years, so it isn't like he had a short career (Favre played 20).</P>


That being said, Favre beat Marino's career yards and TD record in his 17th season, sohe ended up doing it in the sameamount of time as Marino. </P>


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Marino has/had so many passing records it's not even funny. Career yardage is only one of many. 3 seasons is a lot. Not to mention that Favre had close to 2000 more passing attempts. That's more like 4-5 extra seasons worth of attempts.</P>

Drez
12-15-2011, 05:37 PM
broken really isn't as impressive as it should be. And yes. I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too. And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Marino played 17 years, so it isn't like he had a short career (Favre played 20).</P>


That being said, Favre beat Marino's career yards and TD record in his 17th season, sohe ended up doing it in the sameamount of time as Marino. </P>


</P>


Marino has/had so many passing records it's not even funny. Career yardage is only one of many. 3 seasons is a lot. Not to mention that Favre had close to 2000 more passing attempts. That's more like 4-5 extra seasons worth of attempts.</P>


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Through 17 seasons (rememberit tookFavre 17seasonsbeat Marino's yards and TD records), Favre threw exactly 400 more passes than Marino, or as you'd say, almost a full season. </P>


However, that breaks down to 23.5 more passes a season, or just 1.5 more a game, which if we're being reasonable, is pretty even.</P>

gumby742
12-16-2011, 01:43 PM
broken really isn't as impressive as it should be. And yes. I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too. And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Marino played 17 years, so it isn't like he had a short career (Favre played 20).</P>


That being said, Favre beat Marino's career yards and TD record in his 17th season, sohe ended up doing it in the sameamount of time as Marino. </P>


</P>


Marino has/had so many passing records it's not even funny. Career yardage is only one of many. 3 seasons is a lot. Not to mention that Favre had close to 2000 more passing attempts. That's more like 4-5 extra seasons worth of attempts.</P>


</P>


Through 17 seasons (rememberit tookFavre 17seasonsbeat Marino's yards and TD records), Favre threw exactly 400 more passes than Marino, or as you'd say, almost a full season. </P>


However, that breaks down to 23.5 more passes a season, or just 1.5 more a game, which if we're being reasonable, is pretty even.</P>


</P>


If what you say is true, then major oversight on my part. Since I'm a major Marino homer, I'll just say during the latter part of his career, he was more a game manager then the gun slinger Favre still was at the end of his career. Perhaps we should look at the # of yards for the first 10 seasons?</P>


All kidding aside, good point.</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-16-2011, 01:45 PM
they are both lookers?

Drez
12-16-2011, 02:15 PM
broken really isn't as impressive as it should be. And yes. I scoffed when Peyton broke Marino's recrod too. And I scoffed when Favre broke Marino's career passing yards record because Brett played until he was 60.</P>


Marino played 17 years, so it isn't like he had a short career (Favre played 20).</P>


That being said, Favre beat Marino's career yards and TD record in his 17th season, sohe ended up doing it in the sameamount of time as Marino. </P>


</P>


Marino has/had so many passing records it's not even funny. Career yardage is only one of many. 3 seasons is a lot. Not to mention that Favre had close to 2000 more passing attempts. That's more like 4-5 extra seasons worth of attempts.</P>


</P>


Through 17 seasons (rememberit tookFavre 17seasonsbeat Marino's yards and TD records), Favre threw exactly 400 more passes than Marino, or as you'd say, almost a full season. </P>


However, that breaks down to 23.5 more passes a season, or just 1.5 more a game, which if we're being reasonable, is pretty even.</P>


</P>


If what you say is true, then major oversight on my part. Since I'm a major Marino homer, I'll just say during the latter part of his career, he was more a game manager then the gun slinger Favre still was at the end of his career. Perhaps we should look at the # of yards for the first 10 seasons?</P>


All kidding aside, good point.</P>


</P>


Yeah, I made sure to figure out when Favre surpassed Marino's records to make sure that the compiler label wouldn't hold. </P>


But, they both accomplised those feats in 17 seasons. It was pretty close on the yards. I want to say Favre only beat Marino out by a couple hundred.</P>

Harooni
12-16-2011, 02:16 PM
they both are getting isotoner gloves for xmas


http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/m/mMyndZBWn3bacrpEObPCzcA/140.jpg

RobCarpenter
12-16-2011, 08:17 PM
I don't like this comparison.

Marino in 2011 would have thrown for 6000 yards imo.
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This. Marino's record being broken in today's day and age is like Hank Aarons HR record being broken by all the juiced up baseball players.</P>


And yet...Eli is the only other one to do this. Surely, if your point is rock solid, there would be others aside from Eli. No Brady. No Peyton. No Brees. No Rodgers. No Rivers. No Warner. No Fouts. And on and on You can let something just be--it is was it is</P>


This applies to all QBs. Not just Eli. Peyton breaking Marino's TD record is just as worthless just as if any modern day QB broke his single season passing record as well.</P>


Geez. This it isn't always about Eli. It never was.</P>


I'm tempted to just ignore your post (I mean...if you didn't put any thought into it, then why should I?) but I'm bored. So we are in a pass happy league, and have been for a long time. The rules have changed, and it's easier for a QB to put up big numbers...is that your point? Of the literally hundreds of QB's that have played under this QB friendly atmosphere, exactly none of them have reached this mark. So your point is that it's easy to do this now--so easy in fact, that no one has done it? I await your random and pointless reply. And your protestations about it not being about Eli would be easier to swallow if it came from virtually anyone but you. Nice sig by the way...really helps clarify how you couldn't possibly be making it about Eli.</P>


DC, don't ever argue with idiots. They'll take you down to their level and beat you with experience.</P>

Robert21156
12-16-2011, 08:36 PM
What an awesome response! Yeah, it's obviously EASY to do this since so many others have done it, well at least there's "so and so", surely he's done it! No? Well, so it's just ELI who's done it. But it's not about Eli, it's about it being so easy to do that dozens of QB's SHOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW BUT HAVEN'T! Guess that might mean that it's STILL difficult to do.

giantsfan420
12-16-2011, 09:02 PM
lol...gumby is having a tough season...he's getting killed on almost all of his stances especially concerning eli.

funniest was when he said the qb rating was more important than a qb's win/loss record bc the qb rating is more indicative to how the qb played.

he just tries so hard to keep his juvenile opinion of eli alive even tho its clear he's been proven wrong on so many levels but got to be honest, besides the whole eli issue, gumby is a smart person who does have a good football mind. thats why its comical about his views on eli

Harooni
12-16-2011, 11:16 PM
You all are just having a field day ganging up on Gumby.


LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!

Drez
12-16-2011, 11:23 PM
You all are just having a field day ganging up on Gumby.


LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!
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Gumby brings it upon himself.</P>

Harooni
12-16-2011, 11:28 PM
interesting note Kurt Warner back in 2000 had 4 games above 385 yards very close to this record.

gmen0820
12-16-2011, 11:30 PM
Could the GMB have finally found, yet again, another new way to judge the standard of QBs? Stay tuned...


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very impressive..
Kinda suprising no? You would think Brees/Brady/Rodgers would have had one season with those #s

Yea, I was thinking the same thing.. Are we sure if this info is correct?

Drez
12-16-2011, 11:35 PM
interesting note Kurt Warner back in 2000 had 4 games above 385 yards very close to this record.
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I'm sure there's quite a few QB's that have come very close. To be honest, I wouldn't have thought that it was such a rare feat had it not been mentioned that only Marino and Eli have accomplished it (Marino has done it twice though, and in '84 he had 4-400 yard passing games).</P>


I haven't looked, but I'd bet there's a couple other QB's this season that might join that club (I know Newton has 2-400+ games... I'd imagine the Trinity do, too).</P>

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Ok, so how many did Marino have total in one season? Does Eli have a chance to tie or beat it?

Harooni
12-16-2011, 11:39 PM
interesting note Kurt Warner back in 2000 had 4 games above 385 yards very close to this record.
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I'm sure there's quite a few QB's that have come very close. To be honest, I wouldn't have thought that it was such a rare feat had it not been mentioned that only Marino and Eli have accomplished it (Marino has done it twice though, and in '84 he had 4-400 yard passing games).</p>


I haven't looked, but I'd bet there's a couple other QB's this season that might join that club (I know Newton has 2-400+ games... I'd imagine the Trinity do, too).</p>

wow ,marino was the man, and its very cool Eli accomplished it. probably it doesnt happen more because the qb gets pulled or they start running the ball. with us having to win at the last few mins all the time we have to keep throwing.

Harooni
12-16-2011, 11:40 PM
interesting note Kurt Warner back in 2000 had 4 games above 385 yards very close to this record.
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I'm sure there's quite a few QB's that have come very close. To be honest, I wouldn't have thought that it was such a rare feat had it not been mentioned that only Marino and Eli have accomplished it (Marino has done it twice though, and in '84 he had 4-400 yard passing games).</p>


I haven't looked, but I'd bet there's a couple other QB's this season that might join that club (I know Newton has 2-400+ games... I'd imagine the Trinity do, too).</p>

wow ,marino was the man, and its very cool Eli accomplished it. probably it doesnt happen more because the qb gets pulled or they start running the ball. with us having to win at the last few mins all the time we have to keep throwing.

Drez
12-16-2011, 11:52 PM
interesting note Kurt Warner back in 2000 had 4 games above 385 yards very close to this record.
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I'm sure there's quite a few QB's that have come very close. To be honest, I wouldn't have thought that it was such a rare feat had it not been mentioned that only Marino and Eli have accomplished it (Marino has done it twice though, and in '84 he had 4-400 yard passing games).</P>


I haven't looked, but I'd bet there's a couple other QB's this season that might join that club (I know Newton has 2-400+ games... I'd imagine the Trinity do, too).</P>




wow ,marino was the man, and its very cool Eli accomplished it. probably it doesnt happen more because the qb gets pulled or they start running the ball. with us having to win at the last few mins all the time we have to keep throwing.
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Getting pulled might be the case with other teams, but Brees, Rodgers, and Brady never get pulled.</P>

Harooni
12-17-2011, 12:08 AM
interesting note Kurt Warner back in 2000 had 4 games above 385 yards very close to this record.
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I'm sure there's quite a few QB's that have come very close. To be honest, I wouldn't have thought that it was such a rare feat had it not been mentioned that only Marino and Eli have accomplished it (Marino has done it twice though, and in '84 he had 4-400 yard passing games).</p>


I haven't looked, but I'd bet there's a couple other QB's this season that might join that club (I know Newton has 2-400+ games... I'd imagine the Trinity do, too).</p>




wow ,marino was the man, and its very cool Eli accomplished it. probably it doesnt happen more because the qb gets pulled or they start running the ball. with us having to win at the last few mins all the time we have to keep throwing.
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Getting pulled might be the case with other teams, but Brees, Rodgers, and Brady never get pulled.</p>
when brees faced the colts he did not play the whole fourth quarter.

Drez
12-17-2011, 12:13 AM
interesting note Kurt Warner back in 2000 had 4 games above 385 yards very close to this record.
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I'm sure there's quite a few QB's that have come very close. To be honest, I wouldn't have thought that it was such a rare feat had it not been mentioned that only Marino and Eli have accomplished it (Marino has done it twice though, and in '84 he had 4-400 yard passing games).</P>


I haven't looked, but I'd bet there's a couple other QB's this season that might join that club (I know Newton has 2-400+ games... I'd imagine the Trinity do, too).</P>




wow ,marino was the man, and its very cool Eli accomplished it. probably it doesnt happen more because the qb gets pulled or they start running the ball. with us having to win at the last few mins all the time we have to keep throwing.
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Getting pulled might be the case with other teams, but Brees, Rodgers, and Brady never get pulled.</P>



when brees faced the colts he did not play the whole fourth quarter.
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Okay, so when the Saints were up 500-3, Brees will get pulled, lol.</P>

Harooni
12-17-2011, 12:19 AM
Okay, so when the Saints were up 500-3, Brees will get pulled, lol.</p>

lol awful lost team without peyton