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NYG4lifeNYK
09-02-2012, 07:16 PM
-Osi is weak against the run


add on

mattpl908
09-02-2012, 07:21 PM
fire tom coughlin

FBomb
09-02-2012, 07:22 PM
All Eli defenders are homers......All Eli critics are haters.

Not all Cowboys fans are stupid.:o

NYG4lifeNYK
09-02-2012, 07:25 PM
fire tom coughlin

That doesn't compute lol

fal·la·cy/ˈfaləsē/

Noun:




A mistaken belief, esp. one based on unsound argument.
A failure in reasoning that renders an argument invalid.

GMan-67
09-02-2012, 07:27 PM
Gilbride = Killdrive .... seems like he = Superbowl winning drives

NYG4lifeNYK
09-02-2012, 07:27 PM
All Eli defenders are homers......All Eli critics are haters.

Not all Cowboys fans are stupid.:o

Most Eli critics are haters lol, we are all homers in some form haha but I try and stay as objective and unbias as my blue blood allows me ;)

Second one.... well... I'll leave that one alone :p

Flip Empty
09-02-2012, 07:34 PM
Hakeem Nicks can't stay healthy

Gilbride's shotgun draw never works

Eli is inconsistent

RoanokeFan
09-02-2012, 07:35 PM
Tall receivers are great receivers

rainierjef
09-02-2012, 07:38 PM
our lack of a running game was jacobs/bradshaws fault

Rudyy
09-02-2012, 07:38 PM
When we get a 3 and out "OMG we suck."

GMan-67
09-02-2012, 07:39 PM
XXXL RBs should always be able to gain a yard no matter what

RoanokeFan
09-02-2012, 07:41 PM
We need to go after every player released by any team hits the wire

TheEnigma
09-02-2012, 07:41 PM
A player (any position) is ranked good because they have 2 Superbowl rings. Guys, not every player on this roster is a supahstar.

Blue in Oz
09-02-2012, 07:54 PM
The jaguars beat us in the Preseason, we must suck.

Gimaniac
09-02-2012, 08:01 PM
The Eagles will win it all this year (again).

jomo
09-02-2012, 08:08 PM
We need to go after every player released by any team hits the wire......and particularly over the hill diva wide receivers.

CowboysSuck
09-02-2012, 08:18 PM
Terrell Thomas is/was an above average cornerback.

The Giants are somehow injury cursed (usually witchcraft is cited)

etc etc

RagTime Blue
09-02-2012, 08:33 PM
1. Some players are worth having on the Giants' roster because of their "leadership" alone (including 3rd safeties).

2. Somewhat related - Washed-up guys from other teams can offer a "veteran presence" to the Giants, even after being released by terrible teams.

jax5338
09-02-2012, 08:37 PM
captain crunch cuts the roof of your mouth


BS!!

SweetZombieJesus
09-02-2012, 09:29 PM
Justin Tuck is always injured (yet he's played 112 out of 128 possible career regular season games, an 88% attendance record. Since 2007 he's missed 4 whole games.)

penguinfarmer
09-02-2012, 09:34 PM
Coughlin doesn't play rookies.

Blue in Oz
09-02-2012, 09:56 PM
Eli throws too many Picks

nhpgiantsfan
09-02-2012, 10:37 PM
If we played a 3-4, Sintim would be an all-pro!

nhpgiantsfan
09-02-2012, 10:38 PM
Petrus should start cause he has a great motor and plays with heart!

penguinfarmer
09-02-2012, 10:47 PM
Eli throws too many Picks

Well this is true. Just not the only evaluative measure for him.

zimonami
09-02-2012, 10:53 PM
Well, until 2011 I would never have believed that a team ranked 32nd in rushing, obviously with very bad run blocking, could win a SB..

giantyankee1976
09-02-2012, 10:59 PM
Shockey, Tiki, Boss are irreplaceable...we lose them and we're done !

nodrog182
09-02-2012, 11:00 PM
“I have news for you: We are the better team. We’re the big brother. People might say they are the big, bad Giants, but we are not the same old Jets.” “It seems clear that right now we are the better team and we are going to remain the better team for the next 10 years.” And:
“We are going to take over the town whether the Giants like it or not, so those fans on the fence that like both teams are going to be Jets fans in the end.”

-Rex Ryan

nodrog182
09-02-2012, 11:02 PM
Eli looks like a deer in headlights

jomo
09-02-2012, 11:07 PM
If we played a 3-4, Sintim would be an all-pro!Oh my, how many times have we had to endure that one?

giantyankee1976
09-02-2012, 11:10 PM
I'm about to go all Homer on this one:

Romo is better than Eli

nodrog182
09-02-2012, 11:14 PM
Vick is better than Eli

nodrog182
09-02-2012, 11:18 PM
We are gonna regret letting Derrick Ward, Gibril Wilson, and Steve Smith walk

Flip Empty
09-02-2012, 11:19 PM
We need to draft a stud linebacker

zimonami
09-02-2012, 11:19 PM
Anyone is better than Eli.... Geezz, what a mistake Ernie made... gave away the house. Maybe if we had Rivers we'd be OK.

nodrog182
09-02-2012, 11:20 PM
Matt Dodge is gonna be a great punter

giantyankee1976
09-02-2012, 11:20 PM
calling my own BS here:

O'Hara and Seubert gone? We're screwed...

nodrog182
09-02-2012, 11:21 PM
Anyone is better than Eli.... Geezz, what a mistake Ernie made... gave away the house. Maybe if we had Rivers we'd be OK.
LMAO The chargers stole the giants blind on that trade

zimonami
09-02-2012, 11:21 PM
We need to draft a stud linebacker
Well, yes, a falacy... but, I sure would like another Harry.

penguinfarmer
09-02-2012, 11:24 PM
Carr should start

jomo
09-02-2012, 11:33 PM
Matt Dodge is gonna be a great punterWow that was a doozie. How's it working out with his current team..............oh I forgot.

Ballllinnnnnnn
09-03-2012, 12:08 AM
Brandon "tiptoe" Jacobs.

UmenYiourAnIdiot
09-03-2012, 12:21 AM
I think our conditioning program isn't as good as it can be. While I know every team deals with injuries, there has clearly been a pattern of injury bugs since I can remember.

appodictic
09-03-2012, 12:26 AM
Antonio Pierce was a great leader but too slow.

BurnerNYG
09-03-2012, 01:08 AM
The starter of this thread is a smart guy.

gmen46
09-03-2012, 01:11 AM
Antonio Pierce was a great leader but too slow.

Not a fallacy

Toadofsteel
09-03-2012, 01:11 AM
Red font is stupid

gmen46
09-03-2012, 01:12 AM
David Diehl is the worst tackle in all of football.

Eliscruzzz
09-03-2012, 01:18 AM
MB is a complimentary player......

jax5338
09-03-2012, 01:24 AM
Antrelle Rolle is overrated

Roosevelt
09-03-2012, 01:33 AM
The play we run is Gilbride's decision.

Drez
09-03-2012, 01:38 AM
We always throw deep on third and short.

Corollary: On those plays we only run deep routes.

giantsfan420
09-03-2012, 01:46 AM
eli has had only one great season...the defense won SB 42...Tuck was the real MVP...I'm objective bc I think Eli sucked for a while. You aren't objective bc you were actually right about Eli from day 1...

another one I like is the old personal attack followed by that person saying to chill out its a joke followed by the person who did the attacking warning that poster he attacked about personal attacks lol.
ex. lets say person a says to person b "LOL, you are so full of yourself you are about to pop Dr. Obvious." Person B responds "way to go, your trolling instigated me, congrats." Person A then comically, but seriously goes "personal attacks like that will get you a vacation."

gmen0820
09-03-2012, 01:51 AM
Running on 3rd and 17+ on your side of the field is proof that someone shouldn't coach in the NFL (Gilbride).

RagTime Blue
09-03-2012, 02:09 AM
Running on 3rd and 17+ on your side of the field is proof that someone shouldn't coach in the NFL (Gilbride).

Good point. If the defense will give you 10 yards in this example, why not take it. . .it's like adding 10 yards to your eventual punt anyway. And if it's an ABSOLUTE first down situation, then you still have 4th down to get the remaining 7 yards.

Blue in Oz
09-03-2012, 03:48 AM
We are going to lose to the Browns in the regular season.

Roswell777
09-03-2012, 04:05 AM
We shouldn't have drafted JPP, we already have two great DEs.

rainierjef
09-03-2012, 04:15 AM
bennett is the great hope that the giants have been waiting for at TE since shockey

dave56dj
09-03-2012, 04:29 AM
douglas is a receiving god - along with mix.

Tolly is hard to replace

diehl adds nothing to this team

nicks isnt a 1

jacobs tip toed

prince can already be called a bust

giants will give up and cut early draft picks

ugh i could go on and on an on

dave56dj
09-03-2012, 04:39 AM
i got more

nicks is so injury prone.

giants dont know more then me (despite watching practice daily) and therefore cutting x was so silly - even though no other team picked him up.

i know when a shotgun draw is coming - in fact i call it every time (despite the fact its one of the only ways to run out of shotgun and anyone can call it 50 percent of the time.

i know more then both our coordinators despite not being able to tell you an x receiver from a z or a cloud from a fire zone.

christian hopkins will be out next cruz - oh wait.

joe martinek should never have been cut.

carr is awful as a backup

running a good route is the same as knowing how to run an option route.

i got so much more.

Flip Empty
09-03-2012, 04:42 AM
We are going to lose to the Browns in the regular season.
That hasn't been proven wrong yet.

Neverend
09-03-2012, 05:26 AM
Kenny Phillips isnt a playmaker at the S position and will never be the same since the surgery

Captain Chaos
09-03-2012, 08:20 AM
We are gonna regret letting Derrick Ward, Gibril Wilson, and Steve Smith walk

Nicely put!

Captain Chaos
09-03-2012, 08:21 AM
Almost forgot; on Madden this guy is a beast....

Redeyejedi
09-03-2012, 09:25 AM
David Diehl is the worst tackle in all of football. Starting Tackle, He actually graded out as the worst lineman overall in the NFL last year according to PFF. U can say that isnt the be all end all but using the eye test he is just awful

appodictic
09-03-2012, 09:31 AM
Eli isn't an athlete.

Redeyejedi
09-03-2012, 09:46 AM
Eli isn't an athlete.Well he isnt the most graceful runner Ive ever seen.

nhpgiantsfan
09-03-2012, 10:10 AM
Steve Smith will def return to the Giants after his rehab year with the Eagles.

nhpgiantsfan
09-03-2012, 10:11 AM
Chase Blackburn is the reason we made it to the SB last year.

Giantslb66
09-03-2012, 10:19 AM
Steve Weatherford's mom washed his mouth out with soap after Tynes hit the game winner in San Fran last year.

Gimaniac
09-03-2012, 10:33 AM
Osi will be a distraction and needs to be traded for a 2nd rounder.

jakegibbs
09-03-2012, 10:36 AM
Chase Blackburn is the reason we made it to the SB last year.

We was a big reason right? What's wrong with that statement. Absolutely had a major role in solidifying the defense right?

jakegibbs
09-03-2012, 10:37 AM
At last SR MOSS will have a break out season this year.

RoanokeFan
09-03-2012, 10:39 AM
Tom Coughlin is on the hot seat

Imgrate
09-03-2012, 10:51 AM
The pats signed jake ballard out of spite

nhpgiantsfan
09-03-2012, 11:53 AM
We was a big reason right? What's wrong with that statement. Absolutely had a major role in solidifying the defense right?

He was a nice fill in. But the reason the defense got strong was health. Tuck, Osi, and Boley, all getting healthy is what did it. We gave up like 80 points in Chase's first two games. Then the big boys got healthy and we took off.

Roswell777
09-03-2012, 11:57 AM
The Giants should sign recently released ____________ . (fill in the blank)

Vince Young, Kellen Winslow Jr., etc.

Roswell777
09-03-2012, 12:01 PM
Or...

How about two years of sign Burress threads...

BParcells777
09-03-2012, 12:14 PM
We was a big reason right? What's wrong with that statement. Absolutely had a major role in solidifying the defense right?

Actually Chase said in a pre-camp interview that when he returned to the team he found the D in a state of confusion......not operating effeciently.
Maybe his veteran savvy had as much to do with it as the physical plays he made.

Also he did a great job of altering the lanes over the middle to make opposing QB uncomfortable throwing over the middle

You cannot discount the fact that the D made an about face when he returned

zimonami
09-03-2012, 12:55 PM
Actually Chase said in a pre-camp interview that when he returned to the team he found the D in a state of confusion......not operating effeciently.
Maybe his veteran savvy had as much to do with it as the physical plays he made.

Also he did a great job of altering the lanes over the middle to make opposing QB uncomfortable throwing over the middle

You cannot discount the fact that the D made an about face when he returned
You're right, his veteran savvy brought some stability to the D... but, it was also the return of injured players AND Fewell allowing the DB's to play man the last 4 games. That surely helped Prince, who was lost in a maze out in zone.
It's just some fine tweaking that sometimes patches holes and allows the D to get some mojo (that's 'jomo', scrambled...lol) back. We got hot at the right time

Flip Empty
09-03-2012, 01:15 PM
Osi will be a distraction and needs to be traded for a 2nd rounder.
This one was amusing.

Eli isn't an athlete.
http://i.imgur.com/DKRx5.jpg

zimonami
09-03-2012, 01:26 PM
This one was amusing.

http://i.imgur.com/DKRx5.jpg
How's a man supposed to do the job right when he is missing his most valuable tools?
Shovel, please.... uhh, yes, a spoon will do.

BParcells777
09-03-2012, 01:49 PM
Tiki was not a great RB, and did not deserve another shot in the NFL last year.......he got blackballed IMHO

gmen46
09-03-2012, 03:05 PM
Starting Tackle, He actually graded out as the worst lineman overall in the NFL last year according to PFF. U can say that isnt the be all end all but using the eye test he is just awful

Which explains why the Giants have started Diehl every single game (140 regular season, 11 pre season)-- except 4 games he was hurt 2010-- he's been in the league.

Because the Giants are just that stupid.

giantsd fan
09-03-2012, 03:22 PM
coughlin is done bring in chucky or the chin

derekunion28
09-03-2012, 03:41 PM
G.W.A.T was a coach in real life and GIGGLES WASNT FUNNY AS HELL

Flip Empty
09-03-2012, 07:17 PM
Which explains why the Giants have started Diehl every single game (140 regular season, 11 pre season)-- except 4 games he was hurt 2010-- he's been in the league.

Because the Giants are just that stupid.
Because he's always been a consistent level of bad? Because he's always played LT? This was about last year only - stats don't lie.

TheEnigma
09-03-2012, 07:31 PM
Because he's always been a consistent level of bad? Because he's always played LT? This was about last year only - stats don't lie.

Actually, he ranks as the worst starting tackle the last 3 years of football. The amount of starts also has nothing to do with how good he is because several teams will excuse bad performances because they are patient (waiting for a draft pick to develop) or they have even worse talent on the bench (Giants). Levi Brown is the 2nd worst ranked tackle and he has been the starter for the Cardinals since 2007.

Flip Empty
09-03-2012, 07:43 PM
Actually, he ranks as the worst starting tackle the last 3 years of football..
Ah, my bad. Only makes it worse for Diehl though.

ozzie0075
09-03-2012, 07:57 PM
Belichick is so petty that he will play his starters for entire half in a meaningless preseason game just to get back at the Giants for beating them in the SuperBowl.

gmen0820
09-03-2012, 08:18 PM
Tiki was not a great RB, and did not deserve another shot in the NFL last year.......he got blackballed IMHOYeah, he got blackballed....or maybe he was a 35 year old RB that hadn't played in almost half a decade.

Not to mention with a terrible media career, he could have just been searching for new material with a new squad. "Tiki: Inside the Locker Room".

No you're right, blackballed.

gmen46
09-03-2012, 08:36 PM
Actually, he ranks as the worst starting tackle the last 3 years of football. The amount of starts also has nothing to do with how good he is because several teams will excuse bad performances because they are patient (waiting for a draft pick to develop) or they have even worse talent on the bench (Giants). Levi Brown is the 2nd worst ranked tackle and he has been the starter for the Cardinals since 2007.

So you're saying the Giants have been waiting since 2003 for a better O Lineman to replace Diehl? Since 2003? There's been no one available in Free Agency or the draft in 9 years for the Giants to choose over Diehl, so they just keep starting him at guard or tackle?

Oh, and how many Super Bowls have Cards won with Brown at Tackle? How is Brown germane to this discussion?

I got news for you--sometimes stats do lie, especially concerning offensive linemen worth to their team.

If you think Reese, Mara, Coughlin, Gilbride, etc, etc, all have kept Diehl as their starting guard/left tackle/right tackle for 10 years (and starting him again this year) while believing he was a terrible lineman--or, worse, you think The Giants have kept him as a starter while ignorant of that fact--then you are insane.

Imgrate
09-03-2012, 08:41 PM
So you're saying the Giants have been waiting since 2003 for a better O Lineman to replace Diehl? Since 2003? There's been no one available in Free Agency or the draft in 9 years for the Giants to choose over Diehl, so they just keep starting him at guard or tackle?

Oh, and how many Super Bowls have Cards won with Brown at Tackle? How is Brown germane to this discussion?

I got news for you--sometimes stats do lie, especially concerning offensive linemen worth to their team.

If you think Reese, Mara, Coughlin, Gilbride, etc, etc, all have kept Diehl as their starting guard/left tackle/right tackle for 10 years (and starting him again this year) while believing he was a terrible lineman--or, worse, you think The Giants have kept him as a starter while ignorant of that fact--then you are insane.

Its virtually impossible to have a very good player at every position, its what makes the NFL so great. The steelers had terrible guard play. the pack have no running backs. Even the best teams in the league have holes. Our recent one seems to be, well, our entire OL, Diehl is no exception.

Diehl has been terrible at the tail end of his career, not during his prime. Why you mention every year of his career, I do not know.

GiantVibes
09-03-2012, 08:43 PM
Manningham was a poor route runner

Joe Morrison
09-03-2012, 08:49 PM
Giants never used Ron Dayne or Sinorce Moss right!

TheEnigma
09-03-2012, 08:54 PM
So you're saying the Giants have been waiting since 2003 for a better O Lineman to replace Diehl? Since 2003? There's been no one available in Free Agency or the draft in 9 years for the Giants to choose over Diehl, so they just keep starting him at guard or tackle?

Oh, and how many Super Bowls have Cards won with Brown at Tackle? How is Brown germane to this discussion?

I got news for you--sometimes stats do lie, especially concerning offensive linemen worth to their team.

If you think Reese, Mara, Coughlin, Gilbride, etc, etc, all have kept Diehl as their starting guard/left tackle/right tackle for 10 years (and starting him again this year) while believing he was a terrible lineman--or, worse, you think The Giants have kept him as a starter while ignorant of that fact--then you are insane.

Where did I say anything about 2003? No rational person will argue that Diehl has been a terrible player since he has entered the league. He was actually a fantastic player for the first half of his career (A key cog in our offense) but since the 2009 season, he has been getting worse as each season passes. Part of that has to do with the fact he doesn't really have the agility to play LT anymore. They did draft his replacement in 09 (Will Beatty) but due to injuries, he was never really able to get the amount of starts he needed to develop into the full time starter. If there is one positive note about Diehl in this stage of his career, it would have to be his reliability and willingness to do whatever the coaches ask of him. Still, this doesn't excuse him of his poor play the last 3 seasons.

Super Bowls have no correlation what so ever with a player's individual talent. Do you think every player that won 3 Superbowl rings with the Patriots in the early 2000s were all good? All it tells me is that the team's combined talent and discipline was good enough to win it all.

Stats aren't perfect but they can make the picture more clear. QB rating is a perfect example of this. Usually the #1 ranked QB and #20 ranked QB do have a large gap of talent between the two players but when you get to two players ranked so close to one another, that's when things aren't simply "stats" anymore. You need to break down the external factors affecting those two players and then go from there.

He has only been terrible in recent years and due to his versatility, attitude, and ability to stay relatively healthy, he is still on this team. Heck, when Beatty is healthy, they have him at LT and Locklear at RT. That tells me the coaching staff doesn't consider Diehl to be starting material anymore.

dave56dj
09-03-2012, 09:29 PM
Diehl has definitely declined - no doubt - coughlin hasn't had many other options and he still has value but there is no doubt he has struggled in recent years with most speed rushers in the league.

Manningham was a nice route runner but the guy often didn't read a d well and struggled on the option routes - different thing entirely.

alentown pa
09-03-2012, 09:57 PM
omaha is a always a dummy call....and JR goes BPA in the draft

Tmurda1984
09-03-2012, 10:25 PM
Greg Jones will be the next London Fletcher and will be better than Jonathan Goff.

Marvin Austin has tremendous upside and will be a starter.

In Reese we trust but lets fire Coughlin and Gilbride.

Baas was a great Free Agent pick for us even though its not a "sexy" pick.

gmen46
09-03-2012, 10:55 PM
Where did I say anything about 2003? No rational person will argue that Diehl has been a terrible player since he has entered the league. He was actually a fantastic player for the first half of his career (A key cog in our offense) but since the 2009 season, he has been getting worse as each season passes. Part of that has to do with the fact he doesn't really have the agility to play LT anymore. They did draft his replacement in 09 (Will Beatty) but due to injuries, he was never really able to get the amount of starts he needed to develop into the full time starter. If there is one positive note about Diehl in this stage of his career, it would have to be his reliability and willingness to do whatever the coaches ask of him. Still, this doesn't excuse him of his poor play the last 3 seasons.

Super Bowls have no correlation what so ever with a player's individual talent. Do you think every player that won 3 Superbowl rings with the Patriots in the early 2000s were all good? All it tells me is that the team's combined talent and discipline was good enough to win it all.

Stats aren't perfect but they can make the picture more clear. QB rating is a perfect example of this. Usually the #1 ranked QB and #20 ranked QB do have a large gap of talent between the two players but when you get to two players ranked so close to one another, that's when things aren't simply "stats" anymore. You need to break down the external factors affecting those two players and then go from there.

He has only been terrible in recent years and due to his versatility, attitude, and ability to stay relatively healthy, he is still on this team. Heck, when Beatty is healthy, they have him at LT and Locklear at RT. That tells me the coaching staff doesn't consider Diehl to be starting material anymore.

Diehl was, and is, first on the depth chart for RT this season. Locklear is designated backup to Beatty at LT, which is why he is starting at LT Wed.

From his rookie year to now, his 10th season, Diehl has always been a starter. Why do I refer to 2003? Because it underlines the fact that the Giants org. has consistently considered Diehl to be a starter for them at whatever line position they ask of him, for every one of his 10 seasons, including this one.

If he has been declining for 3 years at the severe level you and others have been insisting on, why are the Giants still starting him--albeit at RT this year and LG last year as opposed to LT the previous 4 years? He is so "terrible" in the eyes of the Giants that they replace other line positions with other players, yet retain Diehl at other positions on the line.

The only conclusion I can make from this ridiculous point of view is that you believe you know more about how to make the Giants successful than do the coaches and the front office. That's absurd.

And as to your comment--Super Bowls have no correlation what so ever with a player's individual talent. Do you think every player that won 3 Superbowl rings with the Patriots in the early 2000s were all good? All it tells me is that the team's combined talent and discipline was good enough to win it all.--you make my point. The reference to a Cardinals OL player being the worst in the league since 2007 is completely irrelevant to Diehl and his worth to a "talented"--your word--unit on a team.

TheEnigma
09-04-2012, 12:03 AM
Diehl was, and is, first on the depth chart for RT this season. Locklear is designated backup to Beatty at LT, which is why he is starting at LT Wed.

Beatty was out majority of the preseason due to his back injury. I recall reading an article where they lined up Beatty at LT and Locklear at RT only a few days ago. Considering that Locklear's production the last three seasons were at RT (backup for the most part), it isn't too farfetched to assume that this is the look they want on the offensive line. Since Beatty hasn't seen enough action, we're going with the safe call with Locklear at LT and Diehl at RT


From his rookie year to now, his 10th season, Diehl has always been a starter. Why do I refer to 2003? Because it underlines the fact that the Giants org. has consistently considered Diehl to be a starter for them at whatever line position they ask of him, for every one of his 10 seasons, including this one.

That's fine and dandy but I never mentioned anything about the first half of his career. We are talking about the present day where Diehl has underperformed as of late. He consistently struggles against pass rushers with more athleticism and is one of the reasons Eli had to deal with 220 total pressures in 2011. You think I'm attacking (or trying to twist my words) the Giants coaching staff for their choice of Diehl as a starter when in fact I never said anything of the sort. The Giants attempted to fix the situation in multiple ways by drafting Beatty who is a more prototypical player at the position or they switched Diehl to another position on the OL like they are this year. There is also the fact that our Oline depth is quite abysmal and chances are that those players wouldn't fare any better.


If he has been declining for 3 years at the severe level you and others have been insisting on, why are the Giants still starting him--albeit at RT this year and LG last year as opposed to LT the previous 4 years? He is so "terrible" in the eyes of the Giants that they replace other line positions with other players, yet retain Diehl at other positions on the line.

I've already explained this to you when I mentioned that he offers versatility and has the right attitude that a football player should have. Being able to play multiple positions on the Oline allows the coaching staff to be able to try more setups and also helps in the event of an injury - just slide Diehl to that spot and bring in another player at Diehl's spot. McKenzie was a fantastic RT but didn't offer the versatility that Diehl is able to and that's a good part of why he is no longer a Giant. Remember though, just because a player is versatile doesn't mean he is good at all of those positions.


The only conclusion I can make from this ridiculous point of view is that you believe you know more about how to make the Giants successful than do the coaches and the front office. That's absurd.

Stop making assumptions and ask people what they think instead. I've already explained that the Giants way to make the Oline more successful is by drafting someone else to play LT or to move Diehl to another spot. The current players they have drafted in recent years (Petrus and Brewer) have yet to pan out so for the moment, they are stuck with what they have.


you make my point. The reference to a Cardinals OL player being the worst in the league since 2007 is completely irrelevant to Diehl and his worth to a "talented"--your word--unit on a team.

That was my response to the reply you gave to Redeye. You said because Diehl had started every game except the 4 that he is injured in means that he is automatically a good player. I gave an example of another player that has been a starter for 5 years now and has failed to meet expectations. Instead of listing the amounts of starts a player has or the amount of times he was on a Superbowl winning team (Shockey has 2 SB rings, guess that means he was good in those years then?), explain to me what you see in his technique and play that makes him good.

Drez
09-04-2012, 12:17 AM
bennett is the great hope that the giants have been waiting for at TE since shockey Too early to call that a myth yet.

Drez
09-04-2012, 12:21 AM
Steve Weatherford's mom washed his mouth out with soap after Tynes hit the game winner in San Fran last year.
That might be true, though. lol

Drez
09-04-2012, 12:24 AM
Or...

How about two years of sign Burress threads...

Did anyone notice the irony that many here wanted to sign Braylon Edwards to replace Plax, and then Plax ended up replacing BE on the Jets.

Redeyejedi
09-04-2012, 12:41 AM
Which explains why the Giants have started Diehl every single game (140 regular season, 11 pre season)-- except 4 games he was hurt 2010-- he's been in the league.

Because the Giants are just that stupid. Well he has only been bad for 2 seasons.He had a real bad 2010 so the Giants moved him to LG because they were afraid Eli was going to get killed. Unfortunately he was even a worse LG then LT. When Beatty got injured they moved him back to LT . He was better at LT then LG but he was the worst left guard ive ever seen start a NFL game and im not exaggerating. Last year Diehl gave up the most QB pressures per snap in the NFL and 9 sacks.
I really dont see how anyone can watch Giant games and think DD is even an average NFL lineman the last 2 years. He was so bad people think Locklear is a good LT. The only reason Diehl is even still around after these last 2 years is because none of these lineman the Giants have drafted developed. Beatty cant stay healthy,Brewer has shown nothing thus far and Petrus sux . From what ive seen they are desperate to move on but they have done a poor job drafting and cultivating lineman

gmen46
09-04-2012, 02:02 AM
Beatty was out majority of the preseason due to his back injury. I recall reading an article where they lined up Beatty at LT and Locklear at RT only a few days ago. Considering that Locklear's production the last three seasons were at RT (backup for the most part), it isn't too farfetched to assume that this is the look they want on the offensive line. Since Beatty hasn't seen enough action, we're going with the safe call with Locklear at LT and Diehl at RT



That's fine and dandy but I never mentioned anything about the first half of his career. We are talking about the present day where Diehl has underperformed as of late. He consistently struggles against pass rushers with more athleticism and is one of the reasons Eli had to deal with 220 total pressures in 2011. You think I'm attacking (or trying to twist my words) the Giants coaching staff for their choice of Diehl as a starter when in fact I never said anything of the sort. The Giants attempted to fix the situation in multiple ways by drafting Beatty who is a more prototypical player at the position or they switched Diehl to another position on the OL like they are this year. There is also the fact that our Oline depth is quite abysmal and chances are that those players wouldn't fare any better.



I've already explained this to you when I mentioned that he offers versatility and has the right attitude that a football player should have. Being able to play multiple positions on the Oline allows the coaching staff to be able to try more setups and also helps in the event of an injury - just slide Diehl to that spot and bring in another player at Diehl's spot. McKenzie was a fantastic RT but didn't offer the versatility that Diehl is able to and that's a good part of why he is no longer a Giant. Remember though, just because a player is versatile doesn't mean he is good at all of those positions.



Stop making assumptions and ask people what they think instead. I've already explained that the Giants way to make the Oline more successful is by drafting someone else to play LT or to move Diehl to another spot. The current players they have drafted in recent years (Petrus and Brewer) have yet to pan out so for the moment, they are stuck with what they have.



That was my response to the reply you gave to Redeye. You said because Diehl had started every game except the 4 that he is injured in means that he is automatically a good player. I gave an example of another player that has been a starter for 5 years now and has failed to meet expectations. Instead of listing the amounts of starts a player has or the amount of times he was on a Superbowl winning team (Shockey has 2 SB rings, guess that means he was good in those years then?), explain to me what you see in his technique and play that makes him good.

I don't need to "explain to you" what I see in Diehl's technique. What I think about it is irrelevant, to the Giants and to Diehl and to other fans. As is what you think about his technique. What is relevant is what Reese, Coughlin, Gilbride, the OL coach, and Eli see in Diehl and his remaining abilities.

It seems that you actually believe they all have agreed to retain Diehl the past 3 seasons even though he no longer has any ability--and only because they can't find somebody else who is better. If that were true, that would amount to malpractice on the part of the coaches and the FO.

And that would be crazy.

Who is right in their current assessment of what Diehl can do for them right now? You, or the Giants? That's my point. Which party is the crazy one? (That's ok, you don't have to answer).

Flip Empty
09-04-2012, 02:08 AM
Good lord, Diehl allowed nine sacks, eight hits and forty-eight pressures last year. No matter which way you spin it - that's bad.

I don't even know how this warrants argument when the evidence is black and white.

giantsfan420
09-04-2012, 02:17 AM
I don't need to "explain to you" what I see in Diehl's technique. What I think about it is irrelevant, to the Giants and to Diehl and to other fans. As is what you think about his technique. What is relevant is what Reese, Coughlin, Gilbride, the OL coach, and Eli see in Diehl and his remaining abilities.

It seems that you actually believe they all have agreed to retain Diehl the past 3 seasons even though he no longer has any ability--and only because they can't find somebody else who is better. If that were true, that would amount to malpractice on the part of the coaches and the FO.

And that would be crazy.

Who is right in their current assessment of what Diehl can do for them right now? You, or the Giants? That's my point. Which party is the crazy one? (That's ok, you don't have to answer).
um a few things. 1-when beatty returned to practice, the OL had beatty at LT and Lockler at RT. Lockler has been the better T statistically over DD for years now.
But ultimately I feel DD could have a resurgence at RT. DD lost whatever lateral agility he had years ago, which is why he struggles at LT so much. He kept on getting exploited by the speed rush, to the point he was trying to compensate for the lack of lateral ability that he wasnt even stopping the power rush moves. At RT, u want a guy who can run block, I feel DD still may have something left in that regard.

But in all honesty, Lockler would make the better RT imho, and its something TC addressed bc he had DD out of the starting unit when beatty was healthy. Lockler really played well at LT imho and Im sure the coaches saw that too

TheEnigma
09-04-2012, 02:26 AM
I don't need to "explain to you" what I see in Diehl's technique. What I think about it is irrelevant, to the Giants and to Diehl and to other fans. As is what you think about his technique. What is relevant is what Reese, Coughlin, Gilbride, the OL coach, and Eli see in Diehl and his remaining abilities.

It seems that you actually believe they all have agreed to retain Diehl the past 3 seasons even though he no longer has any ability--and only because they can't find somebody else who is better. If that were true, that would amount to malpractice on the part of the coaches and the FO.

And that would be crazy.

Who is right in their current assessment of what Diehl can do for them right now? You, or the Giants? That's my point. Which party is the crazy one? (That's ok, you don't have to answer).

Gmen46, if all you're going to do is twist my words and attempt to make me look like I'm questioning the coaching staff in order to hide your initial argument that lacked logic, then I'm afraid there is nothing else we can say to one another. I've already explained to you in full detail why Diehl is still on this team but you want to portray my points in a different light. Just because someone thinks a current player on this roster hasn't performed up to standards in recent years doesn't mean I'm against the coaching staff.

Antwuan
09-04-2012, 05:13 AM
"Terrell Thomas Is Overrated"

gumby74
09-04-2012, 09:24 AM
1) The media hates the Giants
2) Antonio Pierce was super smart for a linebacker.

Redeyejedi
09-04-2012, 09:41 AM
Gmen46, if all you're going to do is twist my words and attempt to make me look like I'm questioning the coaching staff in order to hide your initial argument that lacked logic, then I'm afraid there is nothing else we can say to one another. I've already explained to you in full detail why Diehl is still on this team but you want to portray my points in a different light. Just because someone thinks a current player on this roster hasn't performed up to standards in recent years doesn't mean I'm against the coaching staff.They have tried to replace him twice with Beatty and Andrews. The Giants just dont make panic moves. They dont force picks and they dont overpay in FA.

Flip Empty
09-04-2012, 11:05 AM
I'd be tempted to call Baas overpaid, tbh.

God I wish they'd fix the o-line. I worry that the team's luck with Eli's resilience is about to run out.

ryan12
09-04-2012, 11:47 AM
eli is skidish oh wait JR already said that. eat your words jr

Morehead State
09-04-2012, 11:56 AM
eli is skidish oh wait JR already said that. eat your words jr
When JR said it, Eli was skidish.

GreenZone
09-04-2012, 12:46 PM
"I wish all of you worried would stop getting your panties in a bunch"

Unless Joe Namath is a member, there has been no proof that any board member has been wearing panties, let alone to get them somehow tangled.

SimmsandLT
09-04-2012, 01:35 PM
"I wish all of you worried would stop getting your panties in a bunch"

Unless Joe Namath is a member, there has been no proof that any board member has been wearing panties, let alone to get them somehow tangled.

There is no proof that they aren't wearing them either. >_^

BuffyBlueII
09-04-2012, 02:32 PM
Eli Manning waa just "above average" till 2011.
.2011 was Eli Mannings first really good year
.Eli Manning is inconsistent.
.All Eli Manning defenders are homers.
.Anyone that criticizes Eli Manning hates him
.Kurt Warner must suck because he stated that Eli Manning may not be a first ballot Hall of Famer at this point.
Tom Brady has declined and really sucks
.NE Patriots have been exposed because they have only been to 2 SuperBowls since SpyGate but lost both of them. (I parricularly hate that statement because it cheapens the fact that we beat one of the greatest coaches and one of the greatest QBs of all time both times we faced them in SuperBowl)

ryan12
09-04-2012, 02:44 PM
JONAS SEAWRIGHT was the best DT of all time

fansince69
09-04-2012, 02:46 PM
JONAS SEAWRIGHT was the best DT of all time

well..he was almost 10 feet tall

Imgrate
09-04-2012, 02:58 PM
TT is a better corner than Webster

NYG4lifeNYK
09-04-2012, 03:16 PM
TT is a better corner than Webster

LOL, yes this one always amused me very much....


Funny because now you have guys calling T2 average :D .... so quick to cast off former Giants

gmen46
09-04-2012, 05:31 PM
um a few things. 1-when beatty returned to practice, the OL had beatty at LT and Lockler at RT. Lockler has been the better T statistically over DD for years now.
But ultimately I feel DD could have a resurgence at RT. DD lost whatever lateral agility he had years ago, which is why he struggles at LT so much. He kept on getting exploited by the speed rush, to the point he was trying to compensate for the lack of lateral ability that he wasnt even stopping the power rush moves. At RT, u want a guy who can run block, I feel DD still may have something left in that regard.

But in all honesty, Lockler would make the better RT imho, and its something TC addressed bc he had DD out of the starting unit when beatty was healthy. Lockler really played well at LT imho and Im sure the coaches saw that too

The announced and published Giants depth chart has Diehl starting at RT and Locklear as back up LT. With Beatty out this game, Locklear naturally, as back up LT, is starting LT against Cowboys.

fizzlesticks
09-04-2012, 05:43 PM
LOL, yes this one always amused me very much....


Funny because now you have guys calling T2 average :D .... so quick to cast off former Giants

Ahh, I see what you did there. But really I'd say average is a pretty good way to describe TT.

gmen46
09-04-2012, 06:09 PM
Gmen46, if all you're going to do is twist my words and attempt to make me look like I'm questioning the coaching staff in order to hide your initial argument that lacked logic, then I'm afraid there is nothing else we can say to one another. I've already explained to you in full detail why Diehl is still on this team but you want to portray my points in a different light. Just because someone thinks a current player on this roster hasn't performed up to standards in recent years doesn't mean I'm against the coaching staff.

No twisting of words is going on here. What you have "argued" and what the coaching staff and FO have decided about Diehl's value to the team, are two opposing ideas.

You have argued--in so many words--that Diehl not only should not be a starter on the Giants, but that he should no longer even be on the team. You argue that the only reason Diehl still has a job with the team is because the Giants have been unable to find a suitable replacement for him.

This argument of yours, by the way, is your argument. It contains no more weight or validity than simply that--your argument. To suggest that a team of the quality of the Giants feels "forced" to retain Diehl, as a starter no less, because they are incapable of finding a suitable replacement implies a substantial amount of incompetence on their part that I am not prepared to accept based solely upon your "detailed" assumptions

Of course you haven't said you're against the Giants coaching staff. The fact that the Giants' actions--ie, designating Diehl as their starting RT throughout the pre season and approaching the regular season--are the exact opposite of what you would like to see happen to Diehl, indicates that same coaching staff does not share your opinion of Diehl as their RT.

If pointing out the contradiction of your opinion vs the Giants organization's action is "twisting" your words, then so be it. But you should understand that is not the actual meaning of "twisting words". In fact, the conclusion I have drawn from your argument here is the only logical conclusion to make.

You should also be aware that regardless of how much so-called "detail" you think you use to justify your point of view about a player, I (or anyone else) am under no obligation to agree with you. The amount of detail you use to make an argument does not indicate how much validity there actually is to your argument. In other words, one pound of crap does not necessarily equal one pond of truth.

Disagreeing with your argument does not equate to "twisting" your words.

Tmurda1984
09-04-2012, 06:37 PM
Diehl was, and is, first on the depth chart for RT this season. Locklear is designated backup to Beatty at LT, which is why he is starting at LT Wed.

From his rookie year to now, his 10th season, Diehl has always been a starter. Why do I refer to 2003? Because it underlines the fact that the Giants org. has consistently considered Diehl to be a starter for them at whatever line position they ask of him, for every one of his 10 seasons, including this one.

If he has been declining for 3 years at the severe level you and others have been insisting on, why are the Giants still starting him--albeit at RT this year and LG last year as opposed to LT the previous 4 years? He is so "terrible" in the eyes of the Giants that they replace other line positions with other players, yet retain Diehl at other positions on the line.

The only conclusion I can make from this ridiculous point of view is that you believe you know more about how to make the Giants successful than do the coaches and the front office. That's absurd.

And as to your comment--Super Bowls have no correlation what so ever with a player's individual talent. Do you think every player that won 3 Superbowl rings with the Patriots in the early 2000s were all good? All it tells me is that the team's combined talent and discipline was good enough to win it all.--you make my point. The reference to a Cardinals OL player being the worst in the league since 2007 is completely irrelevant to Diehl and his worth to a "talented"--your word--unit on a team.

Its not absurd for a fan to think they can run a successful franchise better than the coaching staff and front office. Its alot easier seeing things and being critical from the outside looking in. You dont think these coaches feel some sort of empathy when they have to cut a hard working player or a player who is a locker room leader, but is physically slowing down. Look how long it took Pierce too go, a neck injury is the only reason he retired. How about David Diehl...he's one of the worst Left Tackles in history, but he is a loyal Giant who will play anywhere when asked too. So you don't think the coaches might feel some empathy toward the players more than a fan would do? Fans can be more level headed...I think it would be harder to go up and tell a veteran that he is benched or cut after spending so many years with the team.

gmen46
09-04-2012, 06:49 PM
Its not absurd for a fan to think they can run a successful franchise better than the coaching staff and front office. Its alot easier seeing things and being critical from the outside looking in. You dont think these coaches feel some sort of empathy when they have to cut a hard working player or a player who is a locker room leader, but is physically slowing down. Look how long it took Pierce too go, a neck injury is the only reason he retired. How about David Diehl...he's one of the worst Left Tackles in history, but he is a loyal Giant who will play anywhere when asked too. So you don't think the coaches might feel some empathy toward the players more than a fan would do? Fans can be more level headed...I think it would be harder to go up and tell a veteran that he is benched or cut after spending so many years with the team.

Now I've heard everything.

So you're suggesting Diehl is still on the team--and, again, as a starter--simply because Reese et al has too much empathy for Diehl and doesn't want to hurt his feelings?

I'm thinking you're having a laugh here, keeping the pot stirred. OK, ha ha.

Drez
09-04-2012, 07:05 PM
Don't know if this one has been said yet, but players who restructure their contracts are making a huge sacrifice for the team.

TheEnigma
09-04-2012, 07:08 PM
No twisting of words is going on here. What you have "argued" and what the coaching staff and FO have decided about Diehl's value to the team, are two opposing ideas.

You claimed that I believe I know how to make the Giants more successful than the coaches and FO do. Not once in this argument have I mentioned making any certain moves whether it was a trade, FA acquisition, or to cut a player. This discussion is only about Diehl's current talent and what he can offer to the team. No idea where you got that but I never said such a thing. Maybe you did it unintentionally but you did in fact twist my words.


You have argued--in so many words--that Diehl not only should not be a starter on the Giants, but that he should no longer even be on the team. You argue that the only reason Diehl still has a job with the team is because the Giants have been unable to find a suitable replacement for him.

1. See the bold? [Citation needed] Never said anything like that.
2. No Gmen46, that was just one of the several reasons I mentioned he is on this team. I told you his versatility has a factor and now I'll also mention the obvious "playbook" knowledge as well. Perhaps you are only reading key parts or forgetting some of my statements but you are, yet again, misrepresenting my argument.


This argument of yours, by the way, is your argument. It contains no more weight or validity than simply that--your argument. To suggest that a team of the quality of the Giants feels "forced" to retain Diehl, as a starter no less, because they are incapable of finding a suitable replacement implies a substantial amount of incompetence on their part that I am not prepared to accept based solely upon your "detailed" assumptions

Well, when is the last time they drafted an offensive linemen who became a full-time starter for this team and is known to be secure with his job? Remember in 2010 when they reinserted O'Hara into the starting lineup when it was obvious to most fans he wasn't ready? Just because a team makes mistakes every now and then doesn't mean there is incompetence involved. That's a far stretch and you full well know it. I'd appreciate it if you ask what I think instead of assuming my thoughts and feelings on this team.


Of course you haven't said you're against the Giants coaching staff. The fact that the Giants' actions--ie, designating Diehl as their starting RT throughout the pre season and approaching the regular season--are the exact opposite of what you would like to see happen to Diehl, indicates that same coaching staff does not share your opinion of Diehl as their RT.

Beatty was out for majority of the preseason. When he returned, they placed him at LT and Locklear at RT. At this point in time, the coaching staff doesn't want to rush Beatty in and that is why you see Diehl listed as the starting RT. Before you mention the depth chart page on the main site once again, please recall that they rarely ever update it and as an older member of this board (as in years here), I know you know this. As for Diehl starting at RT, who on this roster do we have that is better than Diehl and not injured? Brewer? McCants? None of those guys are improvements over Diehl so as of this moment, I support Diehl as the starting RT.


If pointing out the contradiction of your opinion vs the Giants organization's action is "twisting" your words, then so be it. But you should understand that is not the actual meaning of "twisting words". In fact, the conclusion I have drawn from your argument here is the only logical conclusion to make.

When you make statements like I believe I know what's better for the Giants or say that Diehl shouldn't be on this team, you are misrepresenting my argument and in fact, twisting my words. I'm sorry if that is the only conclusion you can come up with and the only solution I can possibly offer is for you to reread my view point presented in detail throughout this thread.


You should also be aware that regardless of how much so-called "detail" you think you use to justify your point of view about a player, I (or anyone else) am under no obligation to agree with you. The amount of detail you use to make an argument does not indicate how much validity there actually is to your argument. In other words, one pound of crap does not necessarily equal one pond of truth.

Ok? Where did I say that you must agree with me? If someone does end up agreeing with the opposing view point eventually, that's just an added bonus but the point to discussions are for both sides to present their stance with as many facts as possible. You have been given statistics that show Diehl's poor play and I have also described how he currently handles pass rushers but you decide that because he is simply on the starting lineup, none of that even matters because the "Giants say so". If you wish to not believe the statistics or make your own personal judgement on Diehl, that is your right.


Disagreeing with your argument does not equate to "twisting" your words.

Of course I know that. I have provided a few examples of you twisting my words or making an assumption about my thoughts on this team and then, presenting them in these discussions as fact. You are the only person so far I have had this Diehl discussion with that has in fact misrepresented my argument in multiple ways.

giantyankee1976
09-04-2012, 07:40 PM
Tom Coughlin's coaching style will not work in the modern NFL era

ShakeandBake
09-04-2012, 08:57 PM
Signing Kellen Winslow would be a good idea

Rat_bastich
09-04-2012, 09:10 PM
Nicks name is Hicks......

GreenZone
09-04-2012, 09:11 PM
You claimed that I believe I know how to make the Giants more successful than the coaches and FO do. Not once in this argument have I mentioned making any certain moves whether it was a trade, FA acquisition, or to cut a player. This discussion is only about Diehl's current talent and what he can offer to the team. No idea where you got that but I never said such a thing. Maybe you did it unintentionally but you did in fact twist my words.


1. See the bold? [Citation needed] Never said anything like that.
2. No Gmen46, that was just one of the several reasons I mentioned he is on this team. I told you his versatility has a factor and now I'll also mention the obvious "playbook" knowledge as well. Perhaps you are only reading key parts or forgetting some of my statements but you are, yet again, misrepresenting my argument.



Well, when is the last time they drafted an offensive linemen who became a full-time starter for this team and is known to be secure with his job? Remember in 2010 when they reinserted O'Hara into the starting lineup when it was obvious to most fans he wasn't ready? Just because a team makes mistakes every now and then doesn't mean there is incompetence involved. That's a far stretch and you full well know it. I'd appreciate it if you ask what I think instead of assuming my thoughts and feelings on this team.



Beatty was out for majority of the preseason. When he returned, they placed him at LT and Locklear at RT. At this point in time, the coaching staff doesn't want to rush Beatty in and that is why you see Diehl listed as the starting RT. Before you mention the depth chart page on the main site once again, please recall that they rarely ever update it and as an older member of this board (as in years here), I know you know this. As for Diehl starting at RT, who on this roster do we have that is better than Diehl and not injured? Brewer? McCants? None of those guys are improvements over Diehl so as of this moment, I support Diehl as the starting RT.



When you make statements like I believe I know what's better for the Giants or say that Diehl shouldn't be on this team, you are misrepresenting my argument and in fact, twisting my words. I'm sorry if that is the only conclusion you can come up with and the only solution I can possibly offer is for you to reread my view point presented in detail throughout this thread.



Ok? Where did I say that you must agree with me? If someone does end up agreeing with the opposing view point eventually, that's just an added bonus but the point to discussions are for both sides to present their stance with as many facts as possible. You have been given statistics that show Diehl's poor play and I have also described how he currently handles pass rushers but you decide that because he is simply on the starting lineup, none of that even matters because the "Giants say so". If you wish to not believe the statistics or make your own personal judgement on Diehl, that is your right.



Of course I know that. I have provided a few examples of you twisting my words or making an assumption about my thoughts on this team and then, presenting them in these discussions as fact. You are the only person so far I have had this Diehl discussion with that has in fact misrepresented my argument in multiple ways.

That side arguments like this one are appropriate to the thread and that they matter to anyone other than the two people involved in the distracting and irrelevant debate.

giantyankee1976
09-04-2012, 09:34 PM
Nicks name is Hicks......

LOL that **** cracks me up

Drez
09-04-2012, 09:41 PM
That side arguments like this one are appropriate to the thread and that they matter to anyone other than the two people involved in the distracting and irrelevant debate.
It's appropriate, regardless of whether or not anyone else finds it interesting. They are debating whether or not it is a fallacy that Diehl is either a good player or not, which is germane to this thread.

gumby74
09-04-2012, 10:23 PM
Don't know if this one has been said yet, but players who restructure their contracts are making a huge sacrifice for the team.

good one ... hmm min length

Drez
09-04-2012, 11:18 PM
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W ciagu mgnienie oka niedaleko mnie stanal ten zbity sportowy bryka w niebieskim kolorze z otwieranym dachem, który wcale nagminnie widze gdy wyjezdza sposród jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. Zawsze bylam ciekawa gdy wyglada osoba która przed jezdzi. Za sprawa zepsute swiatla w koncu poogladalam sobie ta osobe. Heh, absolutnie gladko dojechalam do skrzyzowania. "Ulubione" wielgachne skrzyzowanie, na którym nawet jak sa swiatla z trudem wyjechac. A dzis nie bylo powtórnie swiatel. Wrrrr, az karnacja cierpnie podczas gdy wypada skrecic w lewo, tudziez samochody jada nader ekspresowo ze wszystkich stron zas owo na para pasy. W ciagu chwila mimo mnie stanal ten waski sportowy automobil w niebieskim kolorze sposród otwieranym dachem, jaki wcale czesto widze kiedy wyjezdza z jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. Wiecznie bylam ciekawa gdy wyglada osoba która zanim jezdzi. Za pomoca zepsute swiatla w koncu poogladalam sobie ta osobe.Parkujac duze czterokolowiec, na przyklad SUV-a, przewaznie mamy klopot sposród zobaczeniem, co historia sie okolo samochodu. Bywa, ze po prostu sie przeliczymy a uderzymy na przyklad w slupek, którego nie moglismy w mierny procedura dojrzec, lub cos kolo tego zaparkowany fura. Tak aby uciec takich sytuacji, producenci wpadli na myslacy przedsiewziecie zainstalowania sposród tylu specjalnej kamery. Niektórzy poszli coraz w dalszym ciagu, instalujac w swoich modelach nieco kamer, z racji którym parkowanie nawet ogromnym autem jest dziecinnie proste. Tego typu rozwiazania sa na przyklad w Infiniti FX azaliz fototapety (http://www.fototapety.seokatalog.co.uk) Heh, zupelnie gladko dojechalam do skrzyzowania. "Ulubione" wielgachne przeciecie dróg, na którym nawet gdy sa swiatla z trudem wyjechac. I dzis nie bylo raz jeszcze swiatel. Wrrrr, az cera cierpnie podczas gdy powinno sie wykonac zakret w lewo, zas samochody jada ogromnie predko ze wszystkich stron tudziez to na dwa pasy. W srodku mgnienie oka niedaleko mnie stanal ten obcisly sportowy auto w niebieskim kolorze z otwieranym dachem, kto wystarczajaco nierzadko widze gdy wyjezdza sposród jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. Wiecznie bylam ciekawa podczas gdy wyglada figura która przed jezdzi. Za sprawa zepsute swiatla w koncu poogladalam sobie ta osobe. Heh, calkiem spokojnie dojechalam do skrzyzowania. "Ulubione" wielgachne skrzyzowanie, na którym nawet jak sa swiatla z trudem odjechac. A dzis nie bylo na nowo swiatel. Wrrrr, az skóra cierpnie gdy nalezy skrecic w lewo, a samochody jada ogromnie predko ze wszystkich stron a owo na duet pasy. W ciagu chwila w poblizu mnie stanal ten zbity sportowy gablota w niebieskim kolorze z otwieranym dachem, jaki dosyc raz za razem widze kiedy wyjezdza sposród jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. Furt bylam ciekawa kiedy wyglada figura która przedtem jezdzi. 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09-05-2012, 12:37 AM
Parkujac duze bryka, na przyklad SUV-a, z reguly mamy ambaras sposród zobaczeniem, co historia sie dookola samochodu. Bywa, ze po prostu sie przeliczymy a uderzymy na przyklad w slupek, którego nie moglismy w mierny badania dostrzec, czy tez okolo zaparkowany samochód. Aby odskoczyc takich sytuacji, producenci wpadli na lotny propozycja zainstalowania sposród tylu specjalnej kamery. Niektórzy poszli coraz dalej, instalujac w swoich modelach nieco kamer, dzieki którym parkowanie nawet ogromnym autem jest dziecinnie proste. Tego typu rozwiazania sa na przyklad w Infiniti FX azali materac (http://www.materac.seokatalog.co.uk) Heh, pod kazdym wzgledem spokojnie dojechalam az do skrzyzowania. "Ulubione" wielgachne krzyzówka, na którym nawet gdy sa swiatla z trudem wyjechac. Oraz dzien dzisiejszy nie bylo znowuz swiatel. Wrrrr, az karnacja cierpnie gdy trzeba wykonac zakret w lewo, natomiast samochody jada wybitnie szybko ze wszystkich stron i to na dwójka pasy. W ciagu mgnienie oka niedaleko mnie stanal ten zbity sportowy bryka w niebieskim kolorze z otwieranym dachem, który wcale nagminnie widze gdy wyjezdza sposród jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. Zawsze bylam ciekawa gdy wyglada osoba która przed jezdzi. Za sprawa zepsute swiatla w koncu poogladalam sobie ta osobe. Heh, absolutnie gladko dojechalam do skrzyzowania. "Ulubione" wielgachne skrzyzowanie, na którym nawet jak sa swiatla z trudem wyjechac. A dzis nie bylo powtórnie swiatel. Wrrrr, az karnacja cierpnie podczas gdy wypada skrecic w lewo, tudziez samochody jada nader ekspresowo ze wszystkich stron zas owo na para pasy. W ciagu chwila mimo mnie stanal ten waski sportowy automobil w niebieskim kolorze sposród otwieranym dachem, jaki wcale czesto widze kiedy wyjezdza z jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. Wiecznie bylam ciekawa gdy wyglada osoba która zanim jezdzi. 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Wrrrr, az cera cierpnie podczas gdy powinno sie wykonac zakret w lewo, zas samochody jada ogromnie predko ze wszystkich stron tudziez to na dwa pasy. W srodku mgnienie oka niedaleko mnie stanal ten obcisly sportowy auto w niebieskim kolorze z otwieranym dachem, kto wystarczajaco nierzadko widze gdy wyjezdza sposród jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. Wiecznie bylam ciekawa podczas gdy wyglada figura która przed jezdzi. Za sprawa zepsute swiatla w koncu poogladalam sobie ta osobe. Heh, calkiem spokojnie dojechalam do skrzyzowania. "Ulubione" wielgachne skrzyzowanie, na którym nawet jak sa swiatla z trudem odjechac. A dzis nie bylo na nowo swiatel. Wrrrr, az skóra cierpnie gdy nalezy skrecic w lewo, a samochody jada ogromnie predko ze wszystkich stron a owo na duet pasy. W ciagu chwila w poblizu mnie stanal ten zbity sportowy gablota w niebieskim kolorze z otwieranym dachem, jaki dosyc raz za razem widze kiedy wyjezdza sposród jakiejs uliczki po prawej stronie. 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Having read this in its entirety, I agree.

BuffyBlueII
09-05-2012, 01:29 AM
When JR said it, Eli was skidish.

No he wasn’t. Eli Manning was not skidish.

Weygand
09-05-2012, 01:37 AM
"The media doesn't respect the Giants."

Giants5699
09-05-2012, 01:38 AM
Romo is a good quarterback

Flip Empty
09-05-2012, 02:05 AM
Romo is a good quarterback
You don't think so?

Nicks name is Hicks......
Haha, also 'Nixon' in place of 'Hixon' and 'Plex' instead of 'Plax'.

giantsfan420
09-05-2012, 02:24 AM
Now I've heard everything.

So you're suggesting Diehl is still on the team--and, again, as a starter--simply because Reese et al has too much empathy for Diehl and doesn't want to hurt his feelings?

I'm thinking you're having a laugh here, keeping the pot stirred. OK, ha ha.
i lold at ur reply. but ur response to the other poster, i think ur being a little too harsh or extreme. i'd like if we could replace DD with something better too. And I do think the lack of other options is factoring into DD starting pretty heavily. That doesn't mean I think any of what u applied to him about the coaches, etc...
JJ was on the SB too. If he was starting tonight vs Dallas, I'd be worried about him too...