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BlueBlitzer
12-16-2011, 03:29 AM
This league has always been about making changes to make the game better. From outlawing Headslaps to Spearing. Remember the WRs crying for the League suspending the force out rule ( There by forcing WRs to have 2 feet in bounds ). Or the rule Megatron forgot about ? ( Going to the ground with total control of the ball ). Leading with your helmet is like "Running into the kicker" on purpose over and over again And saying nonsense like " I'm going a hundred miles an hour out there, can't be helped.

CowboysSuck
12-16-2011, 07:09 AM
Yeah, what's your point?

BlueBlitzer
12-16-2011, 01:23 PM
Yeah, what's your point?

All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door

burier
12-16-2011, 01:32 PM
Yeah, what's your point?

All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door

You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play)

How is that better for the game?

And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that.

I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit.

Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team.

I dont think thats good for the game either.

If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them.

Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.

jgrangers11
12-16-2011, 01:48 PM
Yeah, what's your point? All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play) How is that better for the game? And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that. I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit. Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team. I dont think thats good for the game either. If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them. Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.</P>


I pretty much agree with everything you said. I understand wanting to make the game safe, but it's become so ridiculous with a lot of the roughing penalties and I'm afraid there may beno turning back at this point. I'm all for protecting people like punters and quarterbacks when they're stationary and can't protect themselves, but there are simply times out in the open field where things happen and it's unavoidable. Plus, I'm sick of this defenseless receiver stuff. If a guy is going for the ball, it should be well within the right of the defensive player to hit him and separate him from the ball.</P>


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BlueBlitzer
12-16-2011, 01:58 PM
Yeah, what's your point?

All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real
professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door

You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play)

How is that better for the game?

And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that.

I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit.

Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team.

I dont think thats good for the game either.

If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them.

Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.

Helmet to helmet and spearing, to me is the same thing. Of course I singled out Harrison. He and Suh are what they are. Angry Cheapshot artists . Why should 99% of the players yield to rule changes but these two Idiots. I'm old enought to remember when Darrell Stingly was paralized by Raider Tatum ( Another braggart who even wrote a book titled " They call me Assassin ". ) Strahan led the league in Sacks one year. Osi has made tons of 'em. Yet I do not remember any of them having to go before the Commissioner.

burier
12-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Yeah, what's your point? All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play) How is that better for the game? And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that. I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit. Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team. I dont think thats good for the game either. If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them. Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.</P>


I pretty much agree with everything you said. I understand wanting to make the game safe, but it's become so ridiculous with a lot of the roughing penalties and I'm afraid there may be*no turning back at this point. I'm all for protecting people like punters and quarterbacks when they're stationary and can't protect themselves, but there are simply times out in the open field where things happen and it's unavoidable. Plus, I'm sick of this defenseless receiver stuff. If a guy is going for the ball, it should be well within the right of the defensive player to hit him and separate him from the ball.</P>


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defenseless reciever??? I agree its ridiculous. And I thought you couldn't hit the guy in the head but its apparent you just can't hit the guy period.

And then you wonder why passing records are getting broken.

I'm all for rules to prevent guys from getting brain damage but the game is football. It is what it is

Weygand
12-16-2011, 03:07 PM
Are they letting our defense play with 13 men?

G-Man67
12-16-2011, 03:19 PM
some rules changes are good, some are not



but i cant think of any that particularly favored the Giants



well maybe moving the kickoff up? ... Tynes can now reach the end zone easily and we weren't great at returning or covering ... kinda leveled the playing field ... i'd be interested in looking at the gap between starting field position ... i.e. the worst starting vs. best starting field position team last year vs. this year ... i bet the gap has closed

Redeyejedi
12-16-2011, 03:40 PM
Its come to the point every time I see a QB hit ,sack or not, Im expecting to see a yellow flag. Thats not really good for the game.If the Defense is handicapped anymore the game to me will become unwatchable.Its already bordering on it for me now.

BlueBlitzer
12-16-2011, 03:58 PM
You can sack a QB, strip Him of the ball, chase Him out of bounds, pressure Him into making inaccurate throws, slap the ball back in His face. You just cannot go for His knees or His head gear. As far as the defenseless player ? Professionals always adapt. Instead of trying to dislodge the ball while a player is falling back down to earth, CBs and Safeties will go for the jump ball. ( Your seeing that already, with them jumping routes instead of going for the big hit. ) Interceptions are more exciting than incompletions.

nihan87
12-16-2011, 04:09 PM
Yeah, what's your point? All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play) How is that better for the game? And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that. I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit. Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team. I dont think thats good for the game either. If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them. Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.</P>


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+1. Agreed, friend. </P>

BlueBlitzer
12-16-2011, 04:22 PM
Yeah, what's your point? All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play) How is that better for the game? And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that. I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit. Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team. I dont think thats good for the game either. If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them. Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.</P>


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+1. Agreed, friend. </P>

Ifs and Butts, Cherries and Nuts. There are plenty of QB sacks every game with no flags. So by your thinking QBs should get injured to protect Marinos record? Or could it be the QBs we are seeing today are better trained in the college ranks, for the NFL ( Espeacially with all of the spread offenses in college ) And maybe the Wideouts and TEs have more than half a clue when they get drafted .

NYG 5
12-16-2011, 05:01 PM
Yeah, what's your point? All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play) How is that better for the game? And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that. I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit. Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team. I dont think thats good for the game either. If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them. Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.</P>


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+1. Agreed, friend. </P>

Ifs and Butts, Cherries and Nuts. There are plenty of QB sacks every game with no flags. So by your thinking QBs should get injured to protect Marinos record? Or could it be the QBs we are seeing today are better trained in the college ranks, for the NFL ( Espeacially with all of the spread offenses in college ) And maybe the Wideouts and TEs have more than half a clue when they get drafted .

The hitting penalties haven't been advancing the passing records, because big hits never happened every play. What's killing them is the defensive holding, Manning rule that started in 2004. You're seeing all these wide open guys because you can't bump them off their routes anymore. Teams finally realized how to exploit this a couple years ago, which is why you see these ungodly numbers every damn year.

TrueBlue@NYC
12-16-2011, 05:30 PM
You can sack a QB, strip Him of the ball, chase Him out of bounds, pressure Him into making inaccurate throws, slap the ball back in His face. You just cannot go for His knees or His head gear. As far as the defenseless player ? Professionals always adapt. Instead of trying to dislodge the ball while a player is falling back down to earth, CBs and Safeties will go for the jump ball. ( Your seeing that already, with them jumping routes instead of going for the big hit. ) Interceptions are more exciting than incompletions.

I can agree with them trying to gear DBs' towards makikng a play on the ball rather than trying to hit the guy so hard he drops the ball.

Unfortunately, they've also made it nearly impossible for a DB to fight for positioning to go for a jump ball without getting a PI call.

Especially on deep routes, it actually makes more sense for the DB to risk a potential 15 roughing penalty for plastering a guy than a 40 yard PI call b/c he bumped the received while they were fighting for positioning on the ball.

burier
12-16-2011, 05:45 PM
Yeah, what's your point? All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door You're singling out Harrison but there have been pleanty of people who have been fined for what many would call perfectly legal and clean hits. A couple years ago Tuck was penalized (Cant remember if he was fined) for a perfectly form tackle on a QB. And I mean it was Text Book (help me out if you remember the play) How is that better for the game? And honestly Dan Marino's yards record getting broken by like 5 guys this year is not good for the game. That's actually quite embarassing if you ask me and I'm not old fogie or anything like that. I don't know how old you are but you dont have to be very old to remember a time when your Defensive player would lay a good hit on a guy and the guy might be a little slow to get up...(Like not like he's lifeless on the ground or anything but you know he took a good hit) and you'd be watching with your friends and youd get all hyped up because there was a great hit. Now you just sit in silence and wait for the flag that going to hurt your team. I dont think thats good for the game either. If the NFL wants to game to be as safe as possible then great. But make rules and stick to them. Its starting to feel like it doesn't matter where you hit a guy..if he's slow to get up a flag is comming out.</P>


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+1. Agreed, friend. </P>

Ifs and Butts, Cherries and Nuts. There are plenty of QB sacks every game with no flags. So by your thinking QBs should get injured to protect Marinos record? Or could it be the QBs we are seeing today are better trained in the college ranks, for the NFL ( Espeacially with all of the spread offenses in college ) And maybe the Wideouts and TEs have more than half a clue when they get drafted .

The hitting penalties haven't been advancing the passing records, because big hits never happened every play. What's killing them is the defensive holding, Manning rule that started in 2004. You're seeing all these wide open guys because you can't bump them off their routes anymore. Teams finally realized how to exploit this a couple years ago, which is why you see these ungodly numbers every damn year.

the hard hits may not be the only reason but its a contributing factor. I mean some guys wouldn't even go over the middle (Moss) because..If they did go over the middle they'd get aligator arms.

But I'm talking about rule changes in general. Like you say the defensive holding stuff is way over the top.

MattMeyerBud
12-16-2011, 06:46 PM
Yeah, what's your point?

All a poster can do is post, and write an example to it. I used one example of the force out rule. WRs didn't revolt when it got suspended. The result ?, we have now seen the coolest acrobatic catches by them. I cannot now imagine a game with out challenges and instant replay. Real professionals play by the rules. Unrepentant Scumbags ( Harrison ) who Head Hunt, and refuse to change, need to be shown the door

have to be honest, besides that rule, with the rest of em i don't like any of them. I actually liked the force out rule

but i think the question is what makes these rules so good for the Giants

BlueSanta
12-16-2011, 10:08 PM
The hitting penalties haven't been advancing the passing records, because big hits never happened every play. What's killing them is the defensive holding, Manning rule that started in 2004. You're seeing all these wide open guys because you can't bump them off their routes anymore. Teams finally realized how to exploit this a couple years ago, which is why you see these ungodly numbers every damn year.

THIS...

And ill go further,

The combination of not being able to really alter a wrs path, combined with the "defensless recieve" rules is the true problem.

The slant pass was effectively popularized by Bill Walsh and the 49ers in the 80's Bill ALWAYS says the slant is a very dangerous route for the reciever and should only be run in certain circumstances. Teams countered the slant by either a) a severe bump at the LoS or b) droping a LB or bringings a safety up so they reciever couldnt just run to the middle of the field witout paying the price. Effectively BOTH of those are now illegal.

Bill always said running a slant vs a typical zone defense was offensively irresponsible because it would get your WRs hurt. If a QB led a wr into a defender the WRS used to get up and yell at him. Now, its perfectly ok because the defender cant do anything about it.