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TheAnalyst
09-13-2012, 11:18 AM
Of the 19 run plays the Giants ran against the Cowboys in last Wednesday's opener, 11 went to the left side, seven to the right side and one up the middle (Ahmad Bradshaw (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10693/ahmad-bradshaw)'s 5-yarder on 3rd-and-16 to end the first half).

Of those 19 run plays, 11 were on first down, five were on second down, two on third and one on fourth. Bradshaw's biggest run was a 33-yarder on 3rd-and-1 that was a very well blocked play to the side of the line on which the Giants did not have extra blockers. More on that in a second.

Bradshaw ran the ball 17 times. Rookie David Wilson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14887/david-wilson) ran it twice, and not at all after fumbling on his second carry. No other Giants running back got a carry in the game.

Of the 19 runs, 13 were run to the side of the line on which tight end Martellus Bennett (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11295/martellus-bennett) was lined up. That includes the first 10 Giants running plays of the game. The first time Bradshaw runs to the side on which Bennett is not lined up is a 2-yard gain to the right side in the second quarter, and on that play tackle Will Beatty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12610/will-beatty) was in the game on the right side as an eligible tight end. The play is basically stopped immediately by Anthony Spencer (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10470/anthony-spencer) when he gets off the block of Beatty.

Right tackle David Diehl (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4618/david-diehl) had a rough game against Dallas defensive end Jason Hatcher (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9678/jason-hatcher). On the final play of the first half, the Cowboys have only three men on the line and Bradshaw gets the ball and runs right up the middle, but Diehl can't handle Hatcher, who brings Bradshaw down before he can get loose. Not that they were trying to do anything special there, but you never know.

There are times when Bradshaw shows indecisiveness and a lack of burst that costs him. The play just before the Wilson fumble is a 1st-and-10 on which Bennett motions to the right and Bradshaw runs that way. There appears to be a hole between Bennett and Diehl on that right side, but Bradshaw is unable to slip through before it closes. That play looked like one on which Bradshaw could have gained more. There's also a 1st-and-10 in the fourth quarter on which he's running to the right side, where Bennett and fellow tight end Bear Pascoe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12548/bear-pascoe) are both lined up, and he seems to have a brief opportunity to turn upfield quickly before Bruce Carter (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14026/bruce-carter) fills the gap and brings him down.

Once they started running away from Bennett's side, the Giants actually had more success. I don't know if this is because Dallas was devoting extra attention to Bennett's side (which would make sense, after the Giants ran their first 10 plays to Bennett's side) or if it's a matter of Dallas focusing more energy on pass defense once they had the lead. But Bennett is on the right side when Bradshaw runs left for a 10-yard touchdown to the left. The touchdown is a very well-blocked play that involves no tight ends. Left guard Kevin Boothe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9762/kevin-boothe) shoves the defensive lineman inside and then blocks Sean Lee (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13284/sean-lee). Left tackle Sean Locklear (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5609/sean-locklear) takes care of his man. Fullback Henry Hynoski (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14608/henry-hynoski), lined up in front of Bradshaw in the backfield, swings over and makes his block. Hakeem Nicks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12586/hakeem-nicks) is trying to make a block near the goal line as Bradshaw jukes the defensive back and slips into the end zone. Good play all-around, and without extra blockers on that side.

Continued in link from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/43080/breaking-down-the-giants-run-game

TheAnalyst
09-13-2012, 11:24 AM
This, to me, shows a couple of things.

We have no shot at running up the middle. We have no push to open holes or push "backup" DTs backwards to get some yards. 1 run up the middle? We can't continue to not push up the middle with our run attack. Baas needs to figure out how to push a pile or at least open a hole somewhat, which from the looks of it, is a stretch.
By not running up the middle, we give the edge to the LBs. A LB can just run either right or left off the snap and not worry about the middle, which is why Sean Lee got a great jump off the snap on the Wilson fumble.

Dallas obviously knew we have no blocking so they loaded the side we had a TE (Bennett) blocking. As the article says, we actually were better running away from the extra blocker. Its just too obvious for defenses on what we are planning to do.

Lastly I'll point out the fact we try to run early, even if it isnt working, which then puts us in the hole. This is why I scream at my TV for Gilbride to call a play action on 1st and goal when Dallas is stuffing the run with 9 in the box. But he calls a run on first, and then second.

We need to be 50/50 on first down with the run pass IMO. And we need to be more 50/50 on where we run to keep the defense guessing. We are way to predictable playing the rush attack like this.

Toadofsteel
09-13-2012, 11:33 AM
Yeah I'd like to see a misdirection too...

Kruunch
09-13-2012, 12:03 PM
More to the point:

1) Our oline blocking was mediocre at best. More on this below.

2) Bradshaw doesn't appear to be running as hard as he has in the past.

3) Bradshaw doesn't have the same vision as he has in the past (seeing where the hole is).

4) A lot of runs looked like designed cut back plays (at least they were blocked like that) and the holes were there but Bradshaw either didn't cut back or cut back too late.

5) We do indeed telegraph our running assignments (we run the majority to the side of the TE and always have under KG).

6) Dallas was over pursuing the whole game ... we should have done more misdirection on the ground.

7) David Wilson is most definitely the future.

TheAnalyst
09-13-2012, 12:13 PM
More to the point:

1) Our oline blocking was mediocre at best. More on this below.

2) Bradshaw doesn't appear to be running as hard as he has in the past.

3) Bradshaw doesn't have the same vision as he has in the past (seeing where the hole is).

4) A lot of runs looked like designed cut back plays (at least they were blocked like that) and the holes were there but Bradshaw either didn't cut back or cut back too late.

5) We do indeed telegraph our running assignments (we run the majority to the side of the TE and always have under KG).

6) Dallas was over pursuing the whole game ... we should have done more misdirection on the ground.

7) David Wilson is most definitely the future.

I agree with most of your points, but I still dont think it is Bradshaws inability to make a cut or see the hole that is killing the run. NO ONE can run with this oline. I remember last year Bradhshaw, Jacobs, Ware, it didnt matter. They were getting hit behind the line, or someone was filling the hole he needed to hit and couldnt because of it which makes it look like he is indecisive. The foot injuries may be taking a toll on Bradhsaws running ability, but I dont think it is hurting him right now. I think the Oline is pitiful. Our only lineman who should be a starter right now is Snee.

Gmenbroinlaw
09-13-2012, 12:42 PM
Why does Snee always get a pass on these boards? He was getting blown up along with the rest of the line. When the entire line is bad, maybe its not 100% the players. I say its bad coaching. Something needs to change there.

Dwinsballgames
09-13-2012, 12:54 PM
Why does Snee always get a pass on these boards? He was getting blown up along with the rest of the line. When the entire line is bad, maybe its not 100% the players. I say its bad coaching. Something needs to change there.

What has to change is that our entire o-line has to grow some stones and get out there and smack some people in the mouth.

TheAnalyst
09-13-2012, 12:59 PM
Why does Snee always get a pass on these boards? He was getting blown up along with the rest of the line. When the entire line is bad, maybe its not 100% the players. I say its bad coaching. Something needs to change there.

Because Snee is the best of a bad bunch out there. It isn't the coaching. You can't coach strength and skill. You just have to utilize what you have.

Gmenbroinlaw
09-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Because Snee is the best of a bad bunch out there. It isn't the coaching. You can't coach strength and skill. You just have to utilize what you have.

Being the best of a bad bunch isnt saying much. Certainly not enough that deserves him getting praised every week on the boards. For the coaching... tell that to the strength conditioning coach and the offensive line coach. You can certainly coach technique, timing, teamwork. That is what I see lacking.

burier
09-13-2012, 01:32 PM
Why does Snee always get a pass on these boards? He was getting blown up along with the rest of the line. When the entire line is bad, maybe its not 100% the players. I say its bad coaching. Something needs to change there.

Because these boards are weird.

Chris Snee gets a pass because he's Coughlin's son in law.

David Diehl gets a pass because he's been on the team a long time.

David Baas doesn't get a pass until someone blames Reese for signing him him the first place...Then Baas gets a pass since Reese can do no wrong.

Speaking of Reese. Why am I the only one outraged at the fact that he thought it a good idea to replace Manningham with Hixon? The guy is an injury waiting to happen.

And what was Reese thinking about when he resigned T2??

ryan12
09-13-2012, 02:08 PM
What has to change is that our entire o-line has to grow some stones and get out there and smack some people in the mouth.

agreed i dont think they are as bad as everyone on here thinks but we need to smack someone in the ****ing mouth. hearing in the media how much are line sucks should be motivation enough.

Kruunch
09-13-2012, 02:12 PM
I miss Seubert (and O'hara).

TheAnalyst
09-13-2012, 03:54 PM
Because these boards are weird.Chris Snee gets a pass because he's Coughlin's son in law.David Diehl gets a pass because he's been on the team a long time.David Baas doesn't get a pass until someone blames Reese for signing him him the first place...Then Baas gets a pass since Reese can do no wrong.Speaking of Reese. Why am I the only one outraged at the fact that he thought it a good idea to replace Manningham with Hixon? The guy is an injury waiting to happen.And what was Reese thinking about when he resigned T2??Snee didn't get a pass last year. He was bad. And Diehl hasn't gotten a pass in a few years. But what he has been is versatile. He isn't great anymore and this year has looked horrible though. Manningham wanted to play more and figured 49ers were the spot to do so. He was wrong. Hixon, Randle, Barden are fine to replace manningham. The T2 signing looks bad now, and I hated it when it first came out as a 4 year 24m deal. But then we found out it is really a 1 year 1m deal and if he was great, he would get the rest. Now that he is done, I see him being let go, or should be. Time for Prince and Hosely to step up.

ryan12
09-13-2012, 04:00 PM
I miss Seubert (and O'hara).

agreed blue collar MEN who fought in the trenches

Kruunch
09-13-2012, 04:02 PM
Snee didn't get a pass last year. He was bad. And Diehl hasn't gotten a pass in a few years. But what he has been is versatile. He isn't great anymore and this year has looked horrible though. Manningham wanted to play more and figured 49ers were the spot to do so. He was wrong. Hixon, Randle, Barden are fine to replace manningham. The T2 signing looks bad now, and I hated it when it first came out as a 4 year 24m deal. But then we found out it is really a 1 year 1m deal and if he was great, he would get the rest. Now that he is done, I see him being let go, or should be. Time for Prince and Hosely to step up.

Agreed ... the T2 contract is one of the reasons Reese has become the best GM the Giants have ever had.

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 04:22 PM
i noticed a few times where there appeared to be a hole and bradshaw didnt hit it or ran in a diff gap that was clogged.

And Bennett should be able to create a seal and make an alley on rushes to the edge. The reason its not working isn't bc of Bennett, its bc literally, the entire line is allowing guys to penetrate. Bennetts blocking wont do much if the RB cant actually get to the spot Bennett is blocking. Im hoping with Lockler and Beatty, we have more success running the edges.

On runs up the middle, it seems there is NEVER a hole. That 3rd and 1 38 yd rush play, imo, was up the middle so that one was good. But yeah, everyone, the coaches, the OL, and the RB's need to take ownership of their play and step it up. What I'd like to see, whats been echoed here a lot lately, is if the run is clearly not working, don't force it just to try and keep some sort of balance. all thats doing, when the runs not working, is bailing the opposing defense out. its limiting the number of plays we can be lethal and attack from 3 every 4 downs to 1 every 4 downs and that 1 chance, the D is all out defending the pass bc its now 3rd and forever.

If we come out and throw it well on 1rst and 2nd downs, defenses have to account and respect that. that right there helps the OL open holes, and gets the safeties dropping off into coverage and biting on play actions. KG knows what he's doing, its just sometimes it seems it takes him too long to open things up. i can respect his conviction to stay with the run, even if its not working. but i just dont understand why we can't just go to the pass more often and mix things up...eh im sounding like an armchair OC...KG will get it fixed. he's earned my trust and i ate my crow on him once, twice already actually. not gonna again. who knows, KG does like to set traps and plan ahead, maybe this is all being setup for later in the season when its crucial time and cant lose situations.

RoanokeFan
09-13-2012, 04:31 PM
Of the 19 run plays the Giants ran against the Cowboys in last Wednesday's opener, 11 went to the left side, seven to the right side and one up the middle (Ahmad Bradshaw (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10693/ahmad-bradshaw)'s 5-yarder on 3rd-and-16 to end the first half).

Of those 19 run plays, 11 were on first down, five were on second down, two on third and one on fourth. Bradshaw's biggest run was a 33-yarder on 3rd-and-1 that was a very well blocked play to the side of the line on which the Giants did not have extra blockers. More on that in a second.

Bradshaw ran the ball 17 times. Rookie David Wilson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14887/david-wilson) ran it twice, and not at all after fumbling on his second carry. No other Giants running back got a carry in the game.

Of the 19 runs, 13 were run to the side of the line on which tight end Martellus Bennett (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11295/martellus-bennett) was lined up. That includes the first 10 Giants running plays of the game. The first time Bradshaw runs to the side on which Bennett is not lined up is a 2-yard gain to the right side in the second quarter, and on that play tackle Will Beatty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12610/will-beatty) was in the game on the right side as an eligible tight end. The play is basically stopped immediately by Anthony Spencer (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10470/anthony-spencer) when he gets off the block of Beatty.

Right tackle David Diehl (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4618/david-diehl) had a rough game against Dallas defensive end Jason Hatcher (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9678/jason-hatcher). On the final play of the first half, the Cowboys have only three men on the line and Bradshaw gets the ball and runs right up the middle, but Diehl can't handle Hatcher, who brings Bradshaw down before he can get loose. Not that they were trying to do anything special there, but you never know.

There are times when Bradshaw shows indecisiveness and a lack of burst that costs him. The play just before the Wilson fumble is a 1st-and-10 on which Bennett motions to the right and Bradshaw runs that way. There appears to be a hole between Bennett and Diehl on that right side, but Bradshaw is unable to slip through before it closes. That play looked like one on which Bradshaw could have gained more. There's also a 1st-and-10 in the fourth quarter on which he's running to the right side, where Bennett and fellow tight end Bear Pascoe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12548/bear-pascoe) are both lined up, and he seems to have a brief opportunity to turn upfield quickly before Bruce Carter (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14026/bruce-carter) fills the gap and brings him down.

Once they started running away from Bennett's side, the Giants actually had more success. I don't know if this is because Dallas was devoting extra attention to Bennett's side (which would make sense, after the Giants ran their first 10 plays to Bennett's side) or if it's a matter of Dallas focusing more energy on pass defense once they had the lead. But Bennett is on the right side when Bradshaw runs left for a 10-yard touchdown to the left. The touchdown is a very well-blocked play that involves no tight ends. Left guard Kevin Boothe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9762/kevin-boothe) shoves the defensive lineman inside and then blocks Sean Lee (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13284/sean-lee). Left tackle Sean Locklear (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5609/sean-locklear) takes care of his man. Fullback Henry Hynoski (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14608/henry-hynoski), lined up in front of Bradshaw in the backfield, swings over and makes his block. Hakeem Nicks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12586/hakeem-nicks) is trying to make a block near the goal line as Bradshaw jukes the defensive back and slips into the end zone. Good play all-around, and without extra blockers on that side.

Continued in link from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/43080/breaking-down-the-giants-run-game


Is the thread title right or should it be "Giants' run game broken down"? :confused:

TheAnalyst
09-13-2012, 05:10 PM
With all this being said, you know who I am really loving? Henry Hynoski. Hank the Tank. The Hynoserous. Dude has been playing the FB spot very well. Blocking up front and downfield.

JesseJames
09-13-2012, 05:53 PM
More to the point:

1) Our oline blocking was mediocre at best. More on this below.

2) Bradshaw doesn't appear to be running as hard as he has in the past.

3) Bradshaw doesn't have the same vision as he has in the past (seeing where the hole is).

4) A lot of runs looked like designed cut back plays (at least they were blocked like that) and the holes were there but Bradshaw either didn't cut back or cut back too late.

5) We do indeed telegraph our running assignments (we run the majority to the side of the TE and always have under KG).

6) Dallas was over pursuing the whole game ... we should have done more misdirection on the ground.

7) David Wilson is most definitely the future.

3/4 of our running plays went to the side the TE lined up on and that has to make it easy as hell for the defense

BillTheGreek
09-13-2012, 06:35 PM
WOW >> I see so many good Points on this Thread ! I don't who to Agree with . I wish the Giant coaches & players could read it. Maybe some info can rub off on them !

As I said all good Points ! Good Luck to us & the G-Men on Sunday ! Maybe thats what we need !

GO GIANTS !

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 06:37 PM
WOW >> I see so many good Points on this Thread ! I don't who to Agree with . I wish the Giant coaches & players could read it. Maybe some info can rub off on them !

As I said all good Points ! Good Luck to us & the G-Men on Sunday ! Maybe thats what we need !

GO GIANTS !

i like ur optimism and overall vibe. GO GIANTS!

BeatYale
09-13-2012, 06:51 PM
Run blocking is all about attitude and toughness. We seem to lack it.

fansince69
09-13-2012, 06:56 PM
Run blocking is all about attitude and toughness. We seem to lack it.

yes....Suebert was NOT the most talented linemen....but he had the attitude and a mean streak that this line lacks

joemorrisforprez
09-13-2012, 06:58 PM
What has to change is that our entire o-line has to grow some stones and get out there and smack some people in the mouth.

That might be possible if our guys were drive blocking, but Killdrive loves to pull people all over the place. Snee is the only guy left on that line that pulls effectively.

Also, as the OP mentioned in his post...... Bradshaw does not have great field vision. I can't list how many times he's bailed on a play that was developing, or missed a running lane.

Like him or hate him, Tiki Barber had insane field vision.....he made a good line into a great line with his ability to stay with his blockers and exploit daylight.

Speaking of Barber...... Coughlin needs to fix Wilson like he fixed Tiki, or this is going to be a long season. The running game is not going to improve unless Wilson is a big part of the mix.

TheAnalyst
09-13-2012, 07:07 PM
That might be possible if our guys were drive blocking, but Killdrive loves to pull people all over the place. Snee is the only guy left on that line that pulls effectively.Also, as the OP mentioned in his post...... Bradshaw does not have great field vision. I can't list how many times he's bailed on a play that was developing, or missed a running lane.Like him or hate him, Tiki Barber had insane field vision.....he made a good line into a great line with his ability to stay with his blockers and exploit daylight.Speaking of Barber...... Coughlin needs to fix Wilson like he fixed Tiki, or this is going to be a long season. The running game is not going to improve unless Wilson is a big part of the mix.Like he fixed Bradshaw? And is trying to fix Scott. You know whats funny, is we absolutely love RBs that have issues holding onto the rock. All of them were known to fumble in college.

BillTheGreek
09-13-2012, 07:42 PM
TOM C., Coaching Staff & Giant Players ! Please read these comments , they ALL make sense to me. Yes I know, It was only the first Game .....But Eli needs help now ! Come on G-Men show Tampa Bay ,that you are the Defending SUPER BOWL CHAMPS !
GO GIANTS !

GameTime
09-13-2012, 08:22 PM
Run blocking is all about attitude and toughness. We seem to lack it.
I made a thread last week about the same thing....about Oline leadership, desire, and heart. I was shot down by many saying its doesnt matter because they lack talent...I disagree...
they need, attitude, toughness, heart, desire, and leadership. Thats what they are lacking IMO....

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 08:31 PM
I made a thread last week about the same thing....about Oline leadership, desire, and heart. I was shot down by many saying its doesnt matter because they lack talent...I disagree...
they need, attitude, toughness, heart, desire, and leadership. Thats what they are lacking IMO....
i dunno. to me (and i can see where ur coming from and agree to an extent) they dont look like they dont care after messing up horribly. Im always catching DD or Baas making a frustrated gesture and just look like they care. I think that the want is there, but the talent overall may not.

but i do also feel that when our OL was dominant, it wasnt much more talented than we have now, heck it could even be as talented. but that OL most def. had those attributes u discuss, the attitude and toughness, etc. etc.

ingoodshape
09-13-2012, 09:17 PM
by the way , Petrus bench presses a hell of alot of weight at the combine and he does not block to well ................... the coaching LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!

GameTime
09-13-2012, 10:48 PM
i dunno. to me (and i can see where ur coming from and agree to an extent) they dont look like they dont care after messing up horribly. Im always catching DD or Baas making a frustrated gesture and just look like they care. I think that the want is there, but the talent overall may not.

but i do also feel that when our OL was dominant, it wasnt much more talented than we have now, heck it could even be as talented. but that OL most def. had those attributes u discuss, the attitude and toughness, etc. etc.
I guess I think they have the talent to at least have a middle of the pack running game. They dont need a top 10 runing game for it to be effective for the Giants. I have to think these guys can do a top 16 runnin game.......

appodictic
09-13-2012, 11:04 PM
I think Yoda must coach the giants o-line.....

Does one see hole that does not exist there is? Burst through a hole one cant that not exist.

Watch a Texans game, then watch a giants game, watch chris johnson run two years ago....then watch now.... a ten yard run by foster is effortless as he typically does not even see contact for 3 yards. Whereas the giants oline can gets worse and worst, first they stopped driving people around like 2 years ago, then 1 year ago they stopped opening holes, now they go backwards.

Captain Chaos
09-14-2012, 06:11 AM
Because these boards are weird.

Chris Snee gets a pass because he's Coughlin's son in law.

David Diehl gets a pass because he's been on the team a long time.

David Baas doesn't get a pass until someone blames Reese for signing him him the first place...Then Baas gets a pass since Reese can do no wrong.

Speaking of Reese. Why am I the only one outraged at the fact that he thought it a good idea to replace Manningham with Hixon? The guy is an injury waiting to happen.

And what was Reese thinking about when he resigned T2??

Are we just a little angry? have a snickers!

Kruunch
09-14-2012, 08:47 AM
With all this being said, you know who I am really loving? Henry Hynoski. Hank the Tank. The Hynoserous. Dude has been playing the FB spot very well. Blocking up front and downfield.

+1

The Hynososaurus is awesome!

Kruunch
09-14-2012, 08:47 AM
yes....Suebert was NOT the most talented linemen....but he had the attitude and a mean streak that this line lacks

Exactly.

TheAnalyst
09-14-2012, 01:44 PM
If we dont see an improvement this week from the oline after all the bashing they are taking, then I will be worried.

Greg Schiano
09-14-2012, 01:50 PM
+1. The Hynososaurus is awesome!

Black Unicorns and now a Hynososaurus... My game planning is being put to the test... Off to google.

Giantz4Life
09-14-2012, 02:16 PM
Black Unicorns and now a Hynososaurus... My game planning is being put to the test... Off to google.

LOL



On a serious note, it is so discouraging to see what this offensive line has come to after Seubert and O'Hara left. Those two were the definition of Giants football. Watching the Dallas game, I was almost wincing when we would run the ball, and it truly looked like there were not many opportunities for Bradshaw to make a play. However, I would agree with some that mentioned Bradshaw's vision not being as good as it was or good period. Was watching the replay on my DVR...and I do not consider myself to be a master film analyst but this is what I saw:

1st and 10 - 2nd offensive drive on the Giants 12: I formation - looks almost like it was designed to be a stretch play to the weakside, but Bradshaw follows Hynoski between a very small hole and gets stuck between our lineman, and Boothe cannot hold his block as Bradshaw passes. It looks like he could have bounced it to the outside and gotten some good yardage as Hynoski would have made the block on Sean Lee regardless and there was no one near the outside hash marks. I do not know what the play design was there, but it just looked like Bradshaw made a bad decision.

TheAnalyst
09-14-2012, 02:31 PM
We are a finess offense now, not a grind it out, punch you in the face, twist your balls under the pile group of players now. You know Seubert was a dirty player under a pile. Awesome guy to have on your team.

moosedrool
09-14-2012, 06:39 PM
Agreed ... the T2 contract is one of the reasons Reese has become the best GM the Giants have ever had.

How can you call Reese the Best GM in Giants history when we had a bad OL last year and essentially the same OL this year? Or was it because of the cap killing contracts on Rolle and Canty? I guess you weren't a Giant fan in the mid 1980's.

giantsforce
09-15-2012, 02:46 AM
Yeah I'd like to see a misdirection too...Killdrive does not know the words "misdirection" or "imagination". So do not expect anything like that anytime soon. If you notice with the Giants coaching staff goes like this: "Find out what works and then do the exact opposite"

Diamondring
09-15-2012, 09:15 AM
What has to change is that our entire o-line has to grow some stones and get out there and smack some people in the mouth.Giants don't need to be a running team and they need to improve the pass blocking. Then they need to use mostly draws then some power plays to suprise the defense if they want to run. Next year Giants should look into some O-linemen. Yet some of you need to understand that the Giants have nad a lot of success as well. The lowest they went was 8 and 8 and the rest were winning seasons like in 010 when the Giants went 10 and 6 and the year before that 8 and 8 then the year before that 12 and 4. Giants just have to win games and the best way I see it is that they need to pass.

GameTime
09-15-2012, 10:51 AM
Killdrive does not know the words "misdirection" or "imagination". So do not expect anything like that anytime soon. If you notice with the Giants coaching staff goes like this: "Find out what works and then do the exact opposite"
you are a dumbass....sorry. If you actually think that then you really dont know football at all.....

Dwinsballgames
09-15-2012, 12:05 PM
I have a feeling (or maybe it's just a hope) that the o-line is going to come out this week with a major chip on their shoulder. Time for them to put down their superbowl rings and trophies and earn their pay. We shall see.

Go Giants!!

GameTime
09-15-2012, 12:12 PM
I have a feeling (or maybe it's just a hope) that the o-line is going to come out this week with a major chip on their shoulder. Time for them to put down their superbowl rings and trophies and earn their pay. We shall see.

Go Giants!!
I agree. The Giants dont need a top 5 running game. They dont even need a top 10 running game. They need a mid pack running game that will keep the D honnest. Thats why I think this Oline has enough talent they just need desire and attitude.....

giantsfan420
09-15-2012, 12:25 PM
I have a feeling (or maybe it's just a hope) that the o-line is going to come out this week with a major chip on their shoulder. Time for them to put down their superbowl rings and trophies and earn their pay. We shall see.

Go Giants!!

im hoping so too. If they can play hard and with effort, something they've been doing imo, eventually it will come together. as gametime said, we dont need a top 5 run game. the run game doesnt have to carry us...at all. we just need it to be functional/operational. meaning, we can't lose yards or gain 1 or 2 for like 14 of 15 run attempts. yeah that 38 yd run was good, but i'd rather we had a more consistent run game, churning 4 yds, then a run game that does nothing for 90% of the attempts, essentially messing up several drives, but that has one or two sporadic big runs...just me tho. and i think we can get the run game to where we're getting 4 yds a pop, at least we can get it to the point where every other run is a loss...

BillTheGreek
09-15-2012, 12:30 PM
Giants don't need to be a running team and they need to improve the pass blocking. Then they need to use mostly draws then some power plays to suprise the defense if they want to run. Next year Giants should look into some O-linemen. Yet some of you need to understand that the Giants have nad a lot of success as well. The lowest they went was 8 and 8 and the rest were winning seasons like in 010 when the Giants went 10 and 6 and the year before that 8 and 8 then the year before that 12 and 4. Giants just have to win games and the best way I see it is that they need to pass.


Why am I always agreeing with you 96.3 % of the time ? lol.......


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