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Marvelousmik
09-13-2012, 02:36 PM
I hate to bring up the Eli elite thing because in my opinion its beginning to get rather annoying. Anytime Eli throws a pass or steps into a game someone is bringing up the fact he is no longer Peytons little brother and that he is now in the class of his own. I think its time everyone gives it a rest and just lets him play his game. However, I have no choice but to bring this up even though it pains me to sound so cliche.

Steve smith was a very average receiver that Eli made look good. He wasn't quick, or fast. he didn't really have the best hands to be honest. He was just a good route runner. Now that he doesn't have a Good Qb throwing him the ball look at his production. Cruz > Smith by a mile plus more. Great receivers still produce at a certain level even if they don't have an elite Qb throwing them the ball. Just look at Brandon Marshall, Larry fritz, Megatron (when Stafford was injured) or Steve smith (panthers). The list goes on but you get the point.

Another very average player was Kevin boss. he played so bad last year that the raiders decided to cut him, and if you get cut by the raiders i think that alone says something about what type of player you are. Ballard played better in his limited time with us. Boss is just another example of a player who was average that Eli made look good.

Now it seems as though we are going through the manningham phrase. Manningham made some big plays for us in key situations. But so did Steve smith and kevin boss. When i think of manningham i think of someone who is not consistent in catching the ball and is often not on the same page as eli. Someone who haS some quickness to make people miss in the open field but was never a real deep threat. But thats based on my opinion.

Hixon played a good game the other night and in my opinion he already shows signs of being better than maninham. I cant remember the last time mario went up and snatched a jump ball out of the air with 2 guys in his face. Not to mention hixon beat his guy on that play. Hixon is probably faster than maninham and he displayed his speed on pass punt returns. The only way i think hixon wont have a productive year is if he gets injured or the O line doesnt protect Eli at all.'' Here is my bold prediction. With the injury to hakeem nicks, dont be surprised if hixon ends up having a more productive year this season.

The WR position is probably the least of our worries at the moment. My nick name for eli is "the possibility". With him on the field all things are possible. If you're an average receiver he will make you look good. If you are above average then you will look great. It sounds like a broken record but its true.

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 02:37 PM
w/o reading it fully, Smith is a starting WR for the Rams I believe, and Boss caught a TD for KC week 1.

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 02:44 PM
this is an interesting post. I agree with parts of it, but theres parts I disagree.
For example, Smith had that knee injury. I think the whole contract issue is why he rushed back. Gmen0820 has correctly explained numerously that with the type of injury Smith had, it takes 99% of the nfl players 2 years to be the player they were pre injury. Gmen0820 and I and others werent expecting anything really from Smith when he was on Philly. I wanted to resign him this past offseason tho bc he's on year 2 and i believed he was gonna look like his old self. And from what I've read, he has. And he's become Bradfords fav target along Amendola from wha I've read. And I also partly agree that smith didnt have a physical quality that made him stand out, but he was an excellent route runner who could get open. yeah, eli may have made him better, but smith also helped eli out a ton too.

now with boss, i agree for the most part again, but oakland cut him bc they had a new regime (GM, HC). They wanted young, healthy, players that fit their mold. I dont think they cut him bc Boss sucked, bc if that was the case I dont think KC woulda been all over it. Now, I believe Eli did make Boss look much better than he was perhaps, but again Boss also climbed the ladder for eli many a time and sacrficed his body for the team. guy was a class giant who made a huge play, longest of SB 42.

With MM, he had his flaws. I agree. But despite that, he did have that game changing quality; speed/quickness. he could score from anywhere, anytime. he would have scored more too if he was more consistent and ran the proper routes 100% or close to.

That said, I believe Eli did help make all of them better. Thats what a great QB does. But those guys also repaid imo, and helped eli out a ton too.

Imgrate
09-13-2012, 02:47 PM
Injuries...

Marvelousmik
09-13-2012, 02:47 PM
w/o reading it fully, Smith is a starting WR for the Rams I believe, and Boss caught a TD for KC week 1.

Google their last years production. Boss played so bad he was cut and smith had 11 catches. As the number 1 receiver last week smith had 1 catch for 16 yards.

BlueSanta
09-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Both players have had severe injuries. Smith's knee fell apart and Boss's concussions became chronic. Its hard to say "eli" made them because of that.

Althogh I do think Eli has made some average players look great

Marvelousmik
09-13-2012, 02:50 PM
this is an interesting post. I agree with parts of it, but theres parts I disagree.
For example, Smith had that knee injury. I think the whole contract issue is why he rushed back. Gmen0820 has correctly explained numerously that with the type of injury Smith had, it takes 99% of the nfl players 2 years to be the player they were pre injury. Gmen0820 and I and others werent expecting anything really from Smith when he was on Philly. I wanted to resign him this past offseason tho bc he's on year 2 and i believed he was gonna look like his old self. And from what I've read, he has. And he's become Bradfords fav target along Amendola from wha I've read. And I also partly agree that smith didnt have a physical quality that made him stand out, but he was an excellent route runner who could get open. yeah, eli may have made him better, but smith also helped eli out a ton too.

now with boss, i agree for the most part again, but oakland cut him bc they had a new regime (GM, HC). They wanted young, healthy, players that fit their mold. I dont think they cut him bc Boss sucked, bc if that was the case I dont think KC woulda been all over it. Now, I believe Eli did make Boss look much better than he was perhaps, but again Boss also climbed the ladder for eli many a time and sacrficed his body for the team. guy was a class giant who made a huge play, longest of SB 42.

With MM, he had his flaws. I agree. But despite that, he did have that game changing quality; speed/quickness. he could score from anywhere, anytime. he would have scored more too if he was more consistent and ran the proper routes 100% or close to.

That said, I believe Eli did help make all of them better. Thats what a great QB does. But those guys also repaid imo, and helped eli out a ton too.

They're all average. Thats my only point.

GMENAGAIN
09-13-2012, 02:57 PM
Google their last years production. Boss played so bad he was cut and smith had 11 catches. As the number 1 receiver last week smith had 1 catch for 16 yards.
I think Boss had a TD last week, but I don't disagree that he is an average player.

GameTime
09-13-2012, 02:57 PM
Great QBs make great recievers...
Its not a secret. Look at the careers of Brady and Peyton for example....

Not really a new thing at all...

Kruunch
09-13-2012, 02:58 PM
I agree that Manningham falls into the same category as Smith and Boss (although I consider Smith to be a better receiver than you are giving him credit for).

The Manningham nostalgia is a bit much to take ... great catch in the Superbowl and he stepped up a couple of times during the season due to injuries and coverages, but people are quick to forget how he would run out of bounds accidentally on go routes and drop bread basket passes. Not to mention that he's as dumb as a box of rocks.

Hixon is a much better receiver than Manningham in all phases of the game. His only detriment has been the injury bug ... but when he's on the field, we're a better team.

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 03:07 PM
i agree with everthing except that last statement. i dunno, I think with MM, despite the flaws you accurately portrayed, he has that "special" tangent or quality that seperated him from your avg to good wr's. his speed/quickness made him a literal threat to score from anywhere on the field at any time, he could run vertical routes pretty well and could also take screen passes the distance too.
Now, he is nowhere near the consistency Hixon gives u, but Hixon missed so much time. Had he not been injured badly twice, he very well may be better than MM, but imho, he isn't. and i believe that we were a more dangerous, potent offense with MM over Hixon. I'm hoping Randle/JJ/or Barden can provide some sort of special quality that makes them a nightmare for defenses like MM did. What MM gave us, worked beautifully bc it was compounded off of Nicks n Cruz. Hixon doesnt threaten defenses the way MM did, not even close imho. But, Hixon is solid. He is a good WR, and again, had he not blown out his knee twice, he very well may be a quality starting WR with 1k yards and 80 catches...but thats not what he is now...

Toadofsteel
09-13-2012, 03:10 PM
Don't forget, Hixon was #2 last year before he went down, above both Manningham and Cruz. The only reason we've ever seen a football player do the salsa in the end zone is because Hixon got injured and Cruz took the opportunity and ran with it...

Roosevelt
09-13-2012, 03:11 PM
All of these guys made great plays for us during crunch time. I see no purpose in discrediting them as players. Steve and Kevin both were coming off injuries and received offers the Giants would not match. With all that said, I'm not looking back.

GameTime
09-13-2012, 03:13 PM
thought this thread was about Boss and Smith

Kruunch
09-13-2012, 03:14 PM
i agree with everthing except that last statement. i dunno, I think with MM, despite the flaws you accurately portrayed, he has that "special" tangent or quality that seperated him from your avg to good wr's. his speed/quickness made him a literal threat to score from anywhere on the field at any time, he could run vertical routes pretty well and could also take screen passes the distance too.
Now, he is nowhere near the consistency Hixon gives u, but Hixon missed so much time. Had he not been injured badly twice, he very well may be better than MM, but imho, he isn't. and i believe that we were a more dangerous, potent offense with MM over Hixon. I'm hoping Randle/JJ/or Barden can provide some sort of special quality that makes them a nightmare for defenses like MM did. What MM gave us, worked beautifully bc it was compounded off of Nicks n Cruz. Hixon doesnt threaten defenses the way MM did, not even close imho. But, Hixon is solid. He is a good WR, and again, had he not blown out his knee twice, he very well may be a quality starting WR with 1k yards and 80 catches...but thats not what he is now...

Hixon is faster than MM.

Hixon has more reliable hands (that's not to say he doesn't have his share of drops but nowhere near the amount MM had).

Hixon runs a better route.

Hixon is more versatile.

The only reason we know MM's name is because Hixon can't stay on the field. To that extent, we might miss MM (and it's a big point to make given our (and Hixon's) injury history).

Toadofsteel
09-13-2012, 03:15 PM
thought this thread was about Boss and Smith

Who are they?

GameTime
09-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Hixon is faster than MM.

Hixon has more reliable hands (that's not to say he doesn't have his share of drops but nowhere near the amount MM had).

Hixon runs a better route.

Hixon is more versatile.

The only reason we know MM's name is because Hixon can't stay on the field. To that extent, we might miss MM (and it's a big point to make given our (and Hixon's) injury history).
all your points are valid except...Mannigham made his big mark in the playoff run and SB Hixon has yet to do that. This is why peopel dont see him as a "better" WR. Time will tell for Hixon.....

GameTime
09-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Who are they?
exactly.....

Marvelousmik
09-13-2012, 03:34 PM
All of these guys made great plays for us during crunch time. I see no purpose in discrediting them as players. Steve and Kevin both were coming off injuries and received offers the Giants would not match. With all that said, I'm not looking back.

Im not trying to discredit them. The real purpose of this thread is to let everyone know that its okay that manningham left and not to worry because the next man will step up.

Mlerman17
09-13-2012, 03:34 PM
No matter what anyone says IMO before smith's knee injury he was arguably the second bear slot receiver in the nfl behind welker. He was a great player who was extremely clutch for us in big games as a rookie I.e. super bowl 42 and throughout his career. Bad career decisions along with the knee injury ruined his career and ultimately prevented him from reaching his potential with the giants. Just imagine having Cruz and smith in the slot with Hakeem and Nixon on the outside. Ohh what could have been.

Mlerman17
09-13-2012, 03:35 PM
Hixon*

GMENAGAIN
09-13-2012, 03:41 PM
Wow... I wish they were both in Tampa.

Getting old . . . . .

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Hixon is faster than MM.

Hixon has more reliable hands (that's not to say he doesn't have his share of drops but nowhere near the amount MM had).

Hixon runs a better route.

Hixon is more versatile.

The only reason we know MM's name is because Hixon can't stay on the field. To that extent, we might miss MM (and it's a big point to make given our (and Hixon's) injury history).
i know 40 times and all that j***, in my opinion, MM looks faster than Hixon on the field during play. That could very well be bc my memory is skewed bc its been a while since hixon has been healthy for a period of time. but at this moment, theres no way anyones gonna tell me and convince me that hixon is faster than MM. If and when Hixon has those kinds of big play td's for me to compare with what I saw when MM had a big play td. but i can respect if u feel differently, u very well may be right and hixon is faster than MM, i just cant say that.

edit- remember, dont confuse IS with WAS. Hixon WAS faster than MM (altho I believe MM's quickness also was an elite quality), i dunno if theres enough actual game time to be able to say Hixon IS faster than MM.

burier
09-13-2012, 04:34 PM
Its funny how the concensus now is that Boss is average when I know a bunch of you were crying when we didn't resign him.

But we don't really need to state that Steve Smith and Kevin Boss are average. Boss would have never seen the light of day if Shockey didn't get hurt and Steve Smith wouldn't have seen a pro bowl if Plaxico hadn't shot himself.

Marvelousmik
09-13-2012, 04:46 PM
he has that "special" tangent or quality that seperated him from your """AVG TO GOOD"" wr's.

Wait, are going trying to say manninham was great?


his speed/quickness made him a literal threat to score from anywhere on the field at any time

Do you pay close attention or watch other teams besides the Giants? (serious question) Because what you just said pretty much describes the average fast receiver in the NFL. The raiders have a bunch of speed threats. But they are all average. Most teams have those types of players.

If you want, google the rosters of all the teams in the NFL. You will find a lot of players with manninham's skill set. The first person that comes to mind is Emmanuel Sanders #88 steelers. He is the 3rd guy there and is alot faster and quicker than mario manninham. Mario is average. He made some good plays for us but the next guy will step up.

giantsfan420
09-13-2012, 04:51 PM
i watch plenty of football you know that. Im not saying MM is great, I'm saying he had a great quality. his speed/quickness was pretty special imho, he was an electric player at Michigan, and he was certainly a big play threat for us. Sure, plenty of teams have deep threats. But MM lead the NFL a couple seasons ago with YPC avg, even more than DJax.
MM was no slouch fellas. Neither was Smith. Boss I can concede. I can also concede that Eli did elevate their play, but I can also concede they helped Eli elevate his play too. And MM certainly had his flaws, and they reared their ugly head at the worst times, but he also had the again, imo, special blend of speed/quickness/and athleticism. Think about it this way, we all know MM isnt a consistent route runner, and has his share of flaws/mistakes. Yet, he was very successful at the NFL level, why? His speed/quickness/athleticism. certainly aint his mind, or precise route running, or special physical stature...see what I mean?

BeatYale
09-13-2012, 06:16 PM
but he also had the again, imo, special blend of speed/quickness/and athleticism.

O rly?

There's plenty of gazelles in the NFL bro. MM wasn't a rare talent like a Calvin Johnson or (young) Randy Moss etc.


Think about it this way, we all know MM isnt a consistent route runner, and has his share of flaws/mistakes. Yet, he was very successful at the NFL level, why? His speed/quickness/athleticism. certainly aint his mind, or precise route running, or special physical stature...see what I mean?

Consistency was his downfall. One down he runs a good route, the next down he runs a lazy route. The go route, for example, numerous times he would run it too wide which only helps the CB because he has little room left to work with. Chris Collinsworth explained it during a game. Other times he had complete mental lapses in which it cost us an interception. The last Seattle game comes to mind, and also last years regular season 49ers game.

Before you continue to glorify him, why not wait and see if anyone else can put up 500+ yards from the 3rd WR position this year.

KidA
09-13-2012, 08:01 PM
Some of you guys are too quick to forget. Steve Smith did one hell of a job while he was here.

He was one of the best receivers in the NFL in 2009 and set the franchise record for most receptions in a season. He was in the same form in 2010 until his injury. Everyone here loved him.

I don't remember a single poster here saying that he was anything less than elite until he left the team.

appodictic
09-13-2012, 10:15 PM
I agree that Manningham falls into the same category as Smith and Boss (although I consider Smith to be a better receiver than you are giving him credit for).

The Manningham nostalgia is a bit much to take ... great catch in the Superbowl and he stepped up a couple of times during the season due to injuries and coverages, but people are quick to forget how he would run out of bounds accidentally on go routes and drop bread basket passes. Not to mention that he's as dumb as a box of rocks.

Hixon is a much better receiver than Manningham in all phases of the game. His only detriment has been the injury bug ... but when he's on the field, we're a better team.

Hixon is not a better WR then manningham. When manningham was a starter he had almost a 1000 yard season...When Hixon was a starter ....he caused manningham and nicks to get drated. Hixon has some talent but really was not a big play guy at all.

giantsfan420
09-14-2012, 12:14 AM
O rly?

There's plenty of gazelles in the NFL bro. MM wasn't a rare talent like a Calvin Johnson or (young) Randy Moss etc.



Consistency was his downfall. One down he runs a good route, the next down he runs a lazy route. The go route, for example, numerous times he would run it too wide which only helps the CB because he has little room left to work with. Chris Collinsworth explained it during a game. Other times he had complete mental lapses in which it cost us an interception. The last Seattle game comes to mind, and also last years regular season 49ers game.

Before you continue to glorify him, why not wait and see if anyone else can put up 500+ yards from the 3rd WR position this year.
lol whose glorifying him at all? im merely respecting what was a good giants wr who had great speed/quickness/and athleticism. and imo the offense was more dangerous with mm opposed to hixon. that doesnt mean i think hixon sucks, or that randle/jj/barden cant step up and provide that nightmare trio we had when MM was here...