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NYG4lifeNYK
12-17-2011, 10:45 PM
Look at just how many weapons Tony Romo has at his disposal, none bigger than Witten.


Who is Dallas' OC? I would pay his salary to get him here...


If Eli had Witten he would have at least 5 more TD's minimum & another 300+ yards easy, not to mention less INT's.

I Bleed Blue
12-17-2011, 11:03 PM
Look at just how many weapons Tony Romo has at his disposal, none bigger than Witten.


Who is Dallas' OC? I would pay his salary to get him here...


If Eli had Witten he would have at least 5 more TD's minimum & another 300+ yards easy, not to mention less INT's.


This is a joke, right? If not, you either do not watch the Giants games, or you are a little off. Ballard has been a huge surprise this year, and in fact, reminds me a lot of Witten. Jason Garrett calls the plays for Dallas, and if you don't know who that is, he's the head coach.

myles2424
12-17-2011, 11:07 PM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....

NYG4lifeNYK
12-17-2011, 11:08 PM
Look at just how many weapons Tony Romo has at his disposal, none bigger than Witten.


Who is Dallas' OC? I would pay his salary to get him here...


If Eli had Witten he would have at least 5 more TD's minimum & another 300+ yards easy, not to mention less INT's.


This is a joke, right? If not, you either do not watch the Giants games, or you are a little off. Ballard has been a huge surprise this year, and in fact, reminds me a lot of Witten. Jason Garrett calls the plays for Dallas, and if you don't know who that is, he's the head coach.

You must not watch football if you think Ballard is anywhere comparable to Jason Witten or any of the primer TE's in the NFL, smartass.


Garrett still call their plays? Interesting... I'd still take him over Gilbride.

NYG4lifeNYK
12-17-2011, 11:10 PM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....

As can I it's just whenever I watch Romo or Matt Ryan or Rivers play I can't help but think how lucky they are that they have such a GREAT TE.

Imagine if they didn't have a great TE.... it's such a luxury to have such great safety nets.

NYG4lifeNYK
12-17-2011, 11:19 PM
Must be nice to throw to wide open targets...

miked1958
12-17-2011, 11:37 PM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....
I think Ballard can become Whitten like if he continues to improve

NYG4lifeNYK
12-17-2011, 11:39 PM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....
I think Ballard can become Whitten like if he continues to improve

As do I but he's not even one iota as good as Witten right now, which is my point.

jomo
12-17-2011, 11:42 PM
We can get after a tight endonce we add 2 or 3 players to the OL, add 2 or 3 to our LB unit, add a couple of corners and add 1 or 2 running backs.</P>


I lust for an elite TE just like everyone else but given theobvious weaknessesso many other areas, I feel blessed to have Ballard as our guy right now.</P>


Go Blue!!</P>

Pakman
12-18-2011, 02:38 AM
Ballard will prob finish the season with around 700 yards receiving and 7 TD's

Not worried about TE at all. An ELIte QB and hopefully ELIte WR in Nicks is good enough for me.

If we had an elite player at QB, WR, and TE ...that would be crazy.

giantsfan420
12-18-2011, 02:46 AM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....
I think Ballard can become Whitten like if he continues to improve

As do I but he's not even one iota as good as Witten right now, which is my point.


ballards having a very "witten" like year. ballard has done his job and then some, besides the philly game, ballard has played as well as witten imo. he played better than witten when we played them last week.

ballard could very well end up being as good as witten as i disagree about ballard not being one iota as good as witten, witten has played maybe a little bit better this year.

our pass catching options trumps dallas's too imo.

nicks trumps bryant
cruz trumps austin
MM trumps robinson
and ballard is close to witten...

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-18-2011, 03:12 AM
Look at just how many weapons Tony Romo has at his disposal, none bigger than Witten.


Who is Dallas' OC? I would pay his salary to get him here...


If Eli had Witten he would have at least 5 more TD's minimum &amp; another 300+ yards easy, not to mention less INT's.
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Ballard has 4 TD's on the year and Witten 5...so realistically he would only have 1 more TD. Please tell me all of these "weapons" that Romo has at his "disposal".. I would take Nicks over Bryant. I would take Cruz/Manningham over Robinson/Austin....Ballard is in his FIRST season. He has risen out of the practice squad dust. I am completely happy with Ballard as our TE. Witten is an elite TE but he is in his 7th year. To compare them is not even fair. Give Ballard a year or two and let's see what he can do. Honestly, it sounds like you are drooling over the cowboys offense. </P>

GiantWarfare
12-18-2011, 03:16 AM
From a neutral perspective I think it wouldn't be far-fetched to say that the Giants and 'Boys offenses are as close to equal as you can get from the skill positions. But my homerism obviously favors the Giants weapons over Dallas....

Nicks/Cruz/MM/Ballard all day every day even on a Monday...

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-18-2011, 03:22 AM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....

As can I it's just whenever I watch Romo or Matt Ryan or Rivers play I can't help but think how lucky they are that they have such a GREAT TE.

Imagine if they didn't have a great TE.... it's such a luxury to have such great safety nets.
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What do witten, gonzalez, and jackson all have in common?? They all have years of experience over Jake. Even in college he was a blocking TE, this is 1st yr being used primarily as a catching TE. not to bad if you ask me</P>

jhamburg
12-18-2011, 03:29 AM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....
I think Ballard can become Whitten like if he continues to improve

As do I but he's not even one iota as good as Witten right now, which is my point.


ballards having a very "witten" like year. ballard has done his job and then some, besides the philly game, ballard has played as well as witten imo. he played better than witten when we played them last week.

ballard could very well end up being as good as witten as i disagree about ballard not being one iota as good as witten, witten has played maybe a little bit better this year.

our pass catching options trumps dallas's too imo.

nicks trumps bryant
cruz trumps austin
MM trumps robinson
and ballard is close to witten...

Look I love Ballard and I think he could have a bright future here, but the reality is that his ceiling is pretty limited by his lack of athleticism.

And before someone chimes in and says Witten isn't athletic either- You're right but Witten looks like Vernon Davis compared to Ballard.

Pakman
12-18-2011, 04:15 AM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....
I think Ballard can become Whitten like if he continues to improve

As do I but he's not even one iota as good as Witten right now, which is my point.


ballards having a very "witten" like year. ballard has done his job and then some, besides the philly game, ballard has played as well as witten imo. he played better than witten when we played them last week.

ballard could very well end up being as good as witten as i disagree about ballard not being one iota as good as witten, witten has played maybe a little bit better this year.

our pass catching options trumps dallas's too imo.

nicks trumps bryant
cruz trumps austin
MM trumps robinson
and ballard is close to witten...

Look I love Ballard and I think he could have a bright future here, but the reality is that his ceiling is pretty limited by his lack of athleticism.

And before someone chimes in and says Witten isn't athletic either- You're right but Witten looks like Vernon Davis compared to Ballard.

Except for the Eagles game all I can say about Ballard is he makes plays. You can count on him in crunch time and he has some pretty good hands.


You guys can take all the combine numbers you want but I'll take a sure handed TE,that by the way is WAY better than Boss, any day.

My main point is we have upgraded that position already.

I can't emphasize how much better Ballard is than Boss.

gmen46
12-18-2011, 05:08 AM
Ballard is no Witten, but I can think of 10 more threads about what we need before I'd ever mention TE....
I think Ballard can become Whitten like if he continues to improve

As do I but he's not even one iota as good as Witten right now, which is my point.


As someone else here said, it's a bit silly and unfair to compare Ballard, 3 games shy of completing his first year, to Witten, 2 games shy of completing his 9th season.

And of course, no one knows if Ballard will continue his arc of improving, or if he's reached his ceiling. We'll need to see him after a couple more years under his belt.

But what IS fair and interesting, is to compare Ballard's first year (minus 3 games yet) to Witten's first season in 2003.

Witten = 15 games Ballard = 13 games (with 3 more remaining to be played)

Witten = 7 starts Ballard = 12 starts

Witten = 35 rec Ballard = 37 rec

Witten = 347 yds Ballard = 589 yds

Witten = 9.9 ave Ballard = 15.9 ave

Witten = 1 TD Ballard = 4 TD

And, again, Ballard has 3 more games to play in this, his first, season.

And this isn't counting the TD vs Packers that was denied him by the refs, or the POSSIBLE TD catch vs Dallas had he not been held in end zone/

I'd say it's very reasonable to say that Ballard is starting off his career significantly better than did Witten. Who knows how far he'll go?

But even setting aside the stat superiority of one or the other, the real point is that Ballard has--with the sole exception of the 2nd Eagles game--made some thrilling deep catches all season, made key drive-saving catches, made 2 game-winning (v Pats) or game-saving (v Cowboys) TD catches, the two most exciting games we've had this season (and two of the most exciting Giants games since Feb 2008.

And, for someone who everyone laughingly call painfully slow, he DOES have a 15.9 ave, so he manages to get down field, slow or not.

miked1958
12-18-2011, 09:49 AM
I don't think Ballard will every be confused with Whitten Speed wise but I think Jake has developed into a solid go to guy for Eli. I don't think there is any reason to feel he can't continue to improve and have Probowl type seasons every year

GameTime
12-18-2011, 10:12 AM
Look at just how many weapons Tony Romo has at his disposal, none bigger than Witten.


Who is Dallas' OC? I would pay his salary to get him here...


If Eli had Witten he would have at least 5 more TD's minimum & another 300+ yards easy, not to mention less INT's.

oh stop already......how ****ing better do want Eli to do??....

Garrett is the OC....do you still want him..
you dont even know who the OC is and you want him.....thats bull****....
Did you want the Cowboys OC when they lost the last two weeks??

krygny
12-18-2011, 11:09 AM
Witten is going to the HoF. Without checking the stats, I'd guess he's been the best receiving TE in the league over the past 5-6 years.

We had an elite receiving TE in Jeremy Shockey and we didn't know what to do with him, so we taught him how to block. Of course, the guy was an *******, so there is that.

NYG 5
12-18-2011, 11:39 AM
Witten has never been a flashy TE, but he's been the most consistent, most durable, best chain mover in the leage the past few years. All he does is keep the cowboys rolling. Ballard is very similiar in that he isn't the most athletic guy, but he seems to always get the job done.

But blame reese for not getting gonzalez when he had the chance. He could have been very useful the past few years.

GameTime
12-18-2011, 11:45 AM
Witten is going to the HoF. Without checking the stats, I'd guess he's been the best receiving TE in the league over the past 5-6 years.

We had an elite receiving TE in Jeremy Shockey and we didn't know what to do with him, so we taught him how to block. Of course, the guy was an *******, so there is that.

if he was so "elite" then why did he as a TE not do too much with the other teams....
Shockey IS not and elite TE. Maybe he could have been but like you said he is an ***. Its HIS fault he isnt and elite TE...

Joe Morrison
12-18-2011, 11:45 AM
Here is a thought, convert JPP to a TE, how is that for a target?

Firenugget
12-18-2011, 01:04 PM
Witten has double the receptions for less than 300yds more than Ballard. He has 5 TD's vs 4 for Ballard. (And I'd contend he should have 5 as well, but whatever...)

Ballard is the least of our concerns. He's doing just fine.

stormblue
12-18-2011, 01:15 PM
they have a thread over on their fanzone ripping his poor production and ball dropping and wanting him gone.
isn't Canty example enough on wasted time and money on ex-cowgirls ?

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yoeddy
12-18-2011, 01:20 PM
Look at just how many weapons Tony Romo has at his disposal, none bigger than Witten.


Who is Dallas' OC? I would pay his salary to get him here...


If Eli had Witten he would have at least 5 more TD's minimum & another 300+ yards easy, not to mention less INT's.


I think we need a pass-catching HB/3rd down back more than an elite TE. Ballard is doing a good job. But look at how much Brees is able to lean on Sproles (and Bush the year before) to make things happen...

BigBlue1971
12-18-2011, 01:47 PM
no, Ballard is not Witten; however for a 1st year player, given no chance by anyone, hes proven to be a "weapon" for Eli!</P>


Ballard will only get better and could one day approach Witten standards.</P>

C1010
12-18-2011, 02:18 PM
I sometimes imagine if we still had a healthy and classy Jeremy Shockey....but then I move on.

giantman8493
12-18-2011, 02:29 PM
ballard should be cut

jhamburg
12-18-2011, 02:41 PM
Here is a thought, convert JPP to a TE, how is that for a target?

We can just have him play both ways and provide him with mountains of coke to fuel his endurance, and cultivate LT-like abilities.