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egyptian420
12-17-2011, 10:56 PM
stupid cowboy fan trying to tell me ware is better than LT at this point of his career because he's had more sacks than LT in his first X amount of years, cant evn remember the exact number....trying to tell me that o-linemen are more athletic now too so that makes it even more difficult

where do I start with this clown? ....sigh

NYG4lifeNYK
12-17-2011, 10:59 PM
LT was maybe the best defensive player in the HISTORY of the NFL.

Ware isn't even close to the best defensive player in his playing career... that's what you tell him

egyptian420
12-17-2011, 11:02 PM
he's one of those guys that thinks stats mean everything....y do dallas fans have the lowest iq in the league?

P_Simms_#11
12-17-2011, 11:03 PM
he's one of those guys that thinks stats mean everything....y do dallas fans have the lowest iq in the league?


I thought Eagles fans had that distinction?

egyptian420
12-17-2011, 11:06 PM
he's one of those guys that thinks stats mean everything....y do dallas fans have the lowest iq in the league?


I thought Eagles fans had that distinction?

+1 lol very true

BigBlue2010
12-17-2011, 11:12 PM
LT beat teams before the game started. After that he changed football.

GMENAGAIN
12-17-2011, 11:35 PM
Anyone who would even consider making such a comparison never saw LT play . . . .

egyptian420
12-17-2011, 11:46 PM
Anyone who would even consider making such a comparison never saw LT play . . . .
he didn't.....he's just comparing sacks per # of years...I hate idiots who think stats equal performance.

jparmer
12-18-2011, 12:03 AM
First off LT was a rookie in 1981. Second, the nfl didn't start keeping statistics on sacks until 1982. So right there is a whole year, give or take, worth of sacks that didn't even count towards LT's legacy.

miked1958
12-18-2011, 12:08 AM
stupid cowboy fan trying to tell me ware is better than LT at this point of his career because he's had more sacks than LT in his first X amount of years, cant evn remember the exact number....trying to tell me that o-linemen are more athletic now too so that makes it even more difficult

where do I start with this clown? ....sigh

Guy is an idiot.
No defensive player dominated and took over a game like LT did. Ware does not do that. LT routinely beat double and even triple teams to the QB to get the sack.

miked1958
12-18-2011, 12:08 AM
First off LT was a rookie in 1981. Second, the nfl didn't start keeping statistics on sacks until 1982. So right there is a whole year, give or take, worth of sacks that didn't even count towards LT's legacy.
Plus one

miked1958
12-18-2011, 12:10 AM
Anyone who would even consider making such a comparison never saw LT play . . . .
he didn't.....he's just comparing sacks per # of years...I hate idiots who think stats equal performance.

Me to!!!

I don't think DC's make a whole gameplan around trying to stop D. Ware

buddy33
12-18-2011, 12:30 AM
Lat changed the way the game was played. Are is a very good player but to compare the two is silly and I don't even know why it would bother you so much.

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-18-2011, 02:27 AM
stupid cowboy fan trying to tell me ware is better than LT at this point of his career because he's had more sacks than LT in his first X amount of years, cant evn remember the exact number....trying to tell me that o-linemen are more athletic now too so that makes it even more difficult

where do I start with this clown? ....sigh
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youtube NFL networks top 100 hitters or somtething..LT is #3 and one former player said that when the DC drew up plays on the white board...when they used X and O's ... for lawrence they just wrote LT..so a bunch of X and O's then an LT hahaha they use to defensively gameplan for LT...demarcus ware is nowhere near LT . Hes very good but LT was elite and he IS a legend.</P>

jhamburg
12-18-2011, 03:20 AM
I think the comparison itself is closer than you guys think. I mean is there really any skill at which LT blows Ware away? Objectively, I think they're fairly close in ability.

But to me it's a lot like when people compare current NBA players to Jordan. You can compare stats and talk about how Kobe or Lebron can do some of the same things Jordan did, but at the end of the day you're not as good as Jordan because you're not Jordan.

I feel like it's the same thing with LT. Until you do what LT did for the position, you're not as great as LT.

BlueSanta
12-18-2011, 05:52 AM
I think the comparison itself is closer than you guys think. I mean is there really any skill at which LT blows Ware away? Objectively, I think they're fairly close in ability.

But to me it's a lot like when people compare current NBA players to Jordan. You can compare stats and talk about how Kobe or Lebron can do some of the same things Jordan did, but at the end of the day you're not as good as Jordan because you're not Jordan.

I feel like it's the same thing with LT. Until you do what LT did for the position, you're not as great as LT.

The difference goes WAY beyond stats.

LT had a far greater impact on games. People who played in that time all say it. Nobody defensive player in the history of the NFL has been gameplanned around more than LT. Even in his statistically bad games he has massive impact because of how offenses purposely tried to stay away from him. Even as a kid growing up I could see how offenses were trying to avoid him.

Ware is a good player. But, can we really make the same claims about him as LT? Can you say he is the best defensive player in the league for the better part of a decade? I cant. He is 1 of the best, but there are guys who I think have been better(Ray Lewis, Troy P, Ed Reid to name a few.) Do you think teams drastically alter their gameplan because of him? Do you think he has changed the way the game is played?

giantsfan420
12-18-2011, 07:37 AM
I think the comparison itself is closer than you guys think. I mean is there really any skill at which LT blows Ware away? Objectively, I think they're fairly close in ability.

But to me it's a lot like when people compare current NBA players to Jordan. You can compare stats and talk about how Kobe or Lebron can do some of the same things Jordan did, but at the end of the day you're not as good as Jordan because you're not Jordan.

I feel like it's the same thing with LT. Until you do what LT did for the position, you're not as great as LT.

The difference goes WAY beyond stats.

LT had a far greater impact on games. People who played in that time all say it. Nobody defensive player* in the history of the NFL has been gameplanned around more than LT. Even in his statistically bad games he has massive impact because of how offenses purposely tried to stay away from him. Even as a kid growing up I could see how offenses were trying to avoid him.

Ware is a good player. But, can we really make the same claims about him as LT? Can you say he is the best defensive player in the league for the better part of a decade? I cant. He is 1 of the best, but there are guys who I think have been better(Ray Lewis, Troy P,* Ed Reid to name a few.)* Do you think teams drastically alter their gameplan because of him? Do you think he has changed the way the game is played?



+1

dont forget or take away credence from the FACT that sacks became a recorded stat BECAUSE of LT. When Ware's play has an aspect of defensive play become one of the most important statistics, then Ware can speak.

Ware is continuing what LT started, and will never be as good bc of that. It doesnt really take away from Ware, but how does he become as good as the guy whose play revolutionized the game so that Ware could even do what he does? No LT, Ware plays DE or something, it was BECAUSE of LT that Ware can even line up the way he does.

I'd LOVE to have Ware, he IS a beast, but that doesnt mean he's as good as the guy who cleared the way for so many players

redbeardxxv
12-18-2011, 07:38 AM
he's one of those guys that thinks stats mean everything....y do dallas fans have the lowest iq in the league?


I thought Eagles fans had that distinction?

+1 lol very true


I can't believe i'm sticking up for Eagles fans, but, in my experience, Eagles fans are very knowledgeable. Cowboys fans have the most idiotic fan base. They become Cowboys fans because they pick the most popular team, which feeds their popularity. I know, viscous circle. Most Cowboys fans can't name more than 3 players on the team. Most Eagles fans can name players AND why they suck. They are pessimistic, but they know football. In my opinion, which means nothing, Eagles, Steelers,Bears and Giants fans have been the most intelligent fan bases I have ever seen.

giantsfan420
12-18-2011, 07:41 AM
and also think about how the league is a passing league now. Ware prob has 25% more opportunities to rush the passer than LT did when he played. the rules weren't like they are now, and passing was very complicated.

LT was a BEAST vs the run too, he could blow up whatever play the offense was running.

Ware is really just a pass rush specialist, who gets taken out on quite a few run plays, something LT would of never allowed or needed

yatitle
12-18-2011, 08:26 AM
I think the comparison itself is closer than you guys think. I mean is there really any skill at which LT blows Ware away? Objectively, I think they're fairly close in ability.

But to me it's a lot like when people compare current NBA players to Jordan. You can compare stats and talk about how Kobe or Lebron can do some of the same things Jordan did, but at the end of the day you're not as good as Jordan because you're not Jordan.

I feel like it's the same thing with LT. Until you do what LT did for the position, you're not as great as LT.

Here's a stat to ponder. Rings. LT 2, Ware 0.

Redeyejedi
12-18-2011, 09:39 AM
stupid cowboy fan trying to tell me ware is better than LT at this point of his career because he's had more sacks than LT in his first X amount of years, cant evn remember the exact number....trying to tell me that o-linemen are more athletic now too so that makes it even more difficult

where do I start with this clown? ....sigh
Did u tell him teams throw the ball a lot more now .Ware probably gets at least 100 more snaps per season rushing the QB

Redeyejedi
12-18-2011, 09:48 AM
He changed the way Offensive Tackles were made and scouted. He revolutionized the modern pass rusher.Do this day I havent seen a defensive player consistently impact the game week in week out.

Captain Chaos
12-18-2011, 10:01 AM
stupid cowboy fan trying to tell me ware is better than LT at this point of his career because he's had more sacks than LT in his first X amount of years, cant evn remember the exact number....trying to tell me that o-linemen are more athletic now too so that makes it even more difficult

where do I start with this clown? ....sigh


Did you inform them that they didn't keep some of those defensive stats early in LT's career? Also don't see how Ware has changed the game of football the way LT...

Meanhothead
12-18-2011, 11:08 AM
I wouldn't have entertain that discussion with your friend. He's just simply ignorant.

Dan Patrick described being on the side lines during a NYG game and the 'fear' LT would cause to opposing QBs. Dan Patrick stated he has never seen that since, and described how Ken O'Brien was frightened to be out on the field at the same time with LT to the point he couldn't play the QB position.
No one 'fears' Ware like that.

oldgiantfan
12-18-2011, 11:52 AM
stupid cowboy fan trying to tell me ware is better than LT at this point of his career because he's had more sacks than LT in his first X amount of years, cant evn remember the exact number....trying to tell me that o-linemen are more athletic now too so that makes it even more difficult

where do I start with this clown? ....sigh


He's simply not old enough to remember LT or he's deluding himself

Joe Morrison
12-18-2011, 11:57 AM
I wouldn't have entertain that discussion with your friend. He's just simply ignorant. Dan Patrick described being on the side lines during a NYG game and the 'fear' LT would cause to opposing QBs. Dan Patrick stated he has never seen that since, and described how Ken O'Brien was frightened to be out on the field at the same time with LT to the point he couldn't play the QB position. No one 'fears' Ware like that.</P>


No one feared LT more than Ron Jaworski, Jaws would look at LT and then just heave the ball knowing he was going to get crushed, you could see it in his eyes, scared to death, that is what LT brought to the game.</P>

nyginpattown
12-18-2011, 12:07 PM
Here is a look int the mentality of a Cowgirl fan...wah wah wah the Giants beat us in our house...AGAIN...wah wah wah...Ware is better than LT...there I feel better now!

DragonSoul
12-18-2011, 12:08 PM
Ware is good, LT was GREAT. Thats the difference. Also LT showed up in big/key spots and ware helped the other team in big spots ala his off sides vs us last week :)

Redeyejedi
12-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Before LT they didnt have 315 pound left tackles