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Blue in Oz
09-22-2012, 06:59 PM
Here is the list, including PS players, source: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/yearly/

QB David Carr
WR Domenik Hixon
WR Ramses Barden
TE Martellus Bennett
TE Travis Beckum
OT Will Beatty
OT Sean Locklear
G Kevin Boothe
C Jim Cordle
DE Osi Umenyiora
DT Shaun Rogers
DT Rocky Bernard
LB Chase Blackburn
LB Keith Rivers
CB Justin Tryon
CB Michael Coe
CB Brian Witherspoon
S Kenny Phillips
K Lawrence Tynes

RFAs
RB Andre Brown
WR Victor Cruz
TE Bear Pascoe
OT Selvish Capers
DE Adrian Tracy
DE Justin Trattou
DE Craig Marshall
CB Bruce Johnson
S Stevie Brown

Captain Chaos
09-22-2012, 07:04 PM
Pretty long list, with the cap situation we'll have to make some tough decisions....

greenca190
09-22-2012, 07:04 PM
Any idea how much cap room we will hav to work with with all these guys off the books? Several rookie deals in that bunch that are due for a big pay day.

ibbill
09-22-2012, 07:51 PM
Any idea how much cap room we will hav to work with with all these guys off the books? Several rookie deals in that bunch that are due for a big pay day.

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/2013/new-york-giants/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/

NYG4lifeNYK
09-22-2012, 07:56 PM
QB David Carr
WR Domenik Hixon (will probably retain him for cheap)
WR Ramses Barden
TE Martellus Bennett (absolute MUST resign...WAY too much talent to let walk)
TE Travis Beckum
OT Will Beatty
OT Sean Locklear
G Kevin Boothe
C Jim Cordle
DE Osi Umenyiora
DT Shaun Rogers
DT Rocky Bernard
LB Chase Blackburn
LB Keith Rivers
CB Justin Tryon
CB Michael Coe
CB Brian Witherspoon
S Kenny Phillips
K Lawrence Tynes


Reese will figure it out.

GMan-67
09-22-2012, 08:18 PM
i love it, when we lose, the negys want to cut everyone

when we win, they dig up contracts and go, well we may have won, but we only have enough money for 10 players next season :)

GMENAGAIN
09-22-2012, 08:25 PM
QB David Carr
WR Domenik Hixon (will probably retain him for cheap)
WR Ramses Barden
TE Martellus Bennett (absolute MUST resign...WAY too much talent to let walk)
TE Travis Beckum
OT Will Beatty
OT Sean Locklear
G Kevin Boothe
C Jim Cordle
DE Osi Umenyiora
DT Shaun Rogers
DT Rocky Bernard
LB Chase Blackburn
LB Keith Rivers
CB Justin Tryon
CB Michael Coe
CB Brian Witherspoon
S Kenny Phillips
K Lawrence Tynes


Reese will figure it out.

No one is an absolutely must re-sign . . . all depends on the money they want. My guess is that Bennett will want huge money if he continues playing like he has been . . .

GoDeep80
09-22-2012, 08:32 PM
QB David Carr(Not Resign, RP's year)
WR Domenik Hixon(Love him but way too injury prone and we have return men now)
WR Ramses Barden
TE Martellus Bennett
TE Travis Beckum(1 yr contract)
OT Will Beatty
OT Sean Locklear(Good player and still fairly young, 2 yrs sounds nice)
G Kevin Boothe
C Jim Cordle
DE Osi Umenyiora(Walks, just asking for too much)
DT Shaun Rogers(Over the hill)
DT Rocky Bernard(thanks but bye)
LB Chase Blackburn(Herzlich is the MLB come next season
LB Keith Rivers
CB Justin Tryon
CB Michael Coe(Young and good depth)
CB Brian Witherspoon
S Kenny Phillips(Gotta keep the best safety on your team)
K Lawrence Tynes(Guy has become Automatic)

RFAs
RB Andre Brown(He might earn himself a decent payday with his play)
WR Victor Cruz(No brainer)
TE Bear Pascoe(One of those blue collar guys you gotta keep)
OT Selvish Capers
DE Adrian Tracy(No Osi means More Tracy)
DE Justin Trattou *
DE Craig Marshall *
CB Bruce Johnson*
S Stevie Brown *

Suprise cuts

Bradshaw
Rolle
Deihl

*= Signs tender

giantsfan420
09-22-2012, 08:33 PM
i'd add locklear to ur list nyg4. he's a cheap, effective stop gap for the next rt...

Giants5699
09-22-2012, 08:36 PM
QB David Carr(Not Resign, RP's year)
WR Domenik Hixon(Love him but way too injury prone and we have return men now)
WR Ramses Barden
TE Martellus Bennett
TE Travis Beckum(1 yr contract)
OT Will Beatty
OT Sean Locklear(Good player and still fairly young, 2 yrs sounds nice)
G Kevin Boothe
C Jim Cordle
DE Osi Umenyiora(Walks, just asking for too much)
DT Shaun Rogers(Over the hill)
DT Rocky Bernard(thanks but bye)
LB Chase Blackburn(Herzlich is the MLB come next season
LB Keith Rivers
CB Justin Tryon
CB Michael Coe(Young and good depth)
CB Brian Witherspoon
S Kenny Phillips(Gotta keep the best safety on your team)
K Lawrence Tynes(Guy has become Automatic)

RFAs
RB Andre Brown(He might earn himself a decent payday with his play)
WR Victor Cruz(No brainer)
TE Bear Pascoe(One of those blue collar guys you gotta keep)
OT Selvish Capers
DE Adrian Tracy(No Osi means More Tracy)
DE Justin Trattou *
DE Craig Marshall *
CB Bruce Johnson*
S Stevie Brown *

Suprise cuts

Bradshaw
Rolle
Deihl


*= Signs tender



Canty will also be cut.

bigjeep
09-22-2012, 08:44 PM
Here is the list, including PS players, source: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/yearly/

QB David Carr
WR Domenik Hixon
WR Ramses Barden
TE Martellus Bennett
TE Travis Beckum
OT Will Beatty
OT Sean Locklear
G Kevin Boothe
C Jim Cordle
DE Osi Umenyiora
DT Shaun Rogers
DT Rocky Bernard
LB Chase Blackburn
LB Keith Rivers
CB Justin Tryon
CB Michael Coe
CB Brian Witherspoon
S Kenny Phillips
K Lawrence Tynes

RFAs
RB Andre Brown
WR Victor Cruz
TE Bear Pascoe
OT Selvish Capers
DE Adrian Tracy
DE Justin Trattou
DE Craig Marshall
CB Bruce Johnson
S Stevie Brown

Like the Knicks, its win now baby!

Mr. G-Man
09-22-2012, 08:59 PM
the only way for dynasties to exist in this game is if players stay loyal to their teams instead of chasing money (which rarely happens). i wish players were more interested in winning championships, instead of an extra couple million

Giants5699
09-22-2012, 09:10 PM
the only way for dynasties to exist in this game is if players stay loyal to their teams instead of chasing money (which rarely happens). i wish players were more interested in winning championships, instead of an extra couple million

Not true.. Keys to winning are: killer pass rush, elite QB, great coach. As long as the Giants have those things, they can work with and develop other positions. If we lose Cruz, at least we are going to get some awesome compensation.

jintsfan666
09-22-2012, 09:30 PM
Not true.. Keys to winning are: killer pass rush, elite QB, great coach. As long as the Giants have those things, they can work with and develop other positions. If we lose Cruz, at least we are going to get some awesome compensation.

Really?

Eli TO Shockey
09-22-2012, 09:35 PM
i really hope cruz doesnt hit FA. I cant help but think Lin 2.0

Giants5699
09-22-2012, 09:47 PM
Really?

Look at the Patriots... Sure, Eli has kept them from winning 2 Super Bowls, but they have had almost an entirely different personel group every year. Same with the Steelers. They both have dominated the AFC by doing the following:
Elite QB
Elite coaches
Elite drafting
Elite pass rush

In fact, the true key to dynasties is drafting.

What was the consistancy in Indianapolis outside of Peyton? If Peyton had Eli's playoff composure he probably would have won more Super Bowls

nYg24
09-22-2012, 09:51 PM
I dont see why we would cut Rolle...He's been a good player for us and a leader.

Giants5699
09-22-2012, 09:55 PM
Look at the Patriots... Sure, Eli has kept them from winning 2 Super Bowls, but they have had almost an entirely different personel group every year. Same with the Steelers. They both have dominated the AFC by doing the following:
Elite QB
Elite coaches
Elite drafting
Elite pass rush

In fact, the true key to dynasties is drafting.

What was the consistancy in Indianapolis outside of Peyton? If Peyton had Eli's playoff composure he probably would have won more Super Bowls

I mean look at the difference in the Giants' roster between XLII and XLVI...

SweetZombieJesus
09-22-2012, 10:24 PM
Don't forget Cruz and Nicks need to get paid. Surpirsed they haven't been extended & restructured already.

njersey
09-22-2012, 10:30 PM
the only way for dynasties to exist in this game is if players stay loyal to their teams instead of chasing money (which rarely happens). i wish players were more interested in winning championships, instead of an extra couple million

Right. And then the first sign of injury or age, and everyone wants that player cut or traded.

Tmurda1984
09-23-2012, 12:59 PM
There will be bloodshed in the next offseason. People thought that this year's offseason was rough, Next year is going to be crazy. We have players like Eli and Snee who restructured their contracts which is good short term for getting players this year, but the next season it will hurt us when Eli and Snee's base salary spikes up due to restructuring. Diehl and Canty will be cap casualties, and I think Rolle may be on the chopping block as well...if not, we will lose some talented young players whether thats Bennett, Cruz, Barden, Beatty or/and Keith Rivers. I think the Giants will cut Diehl and Canty and restructure Rolle's contract, Osi might be gone next year especially with JPP being for real. Cruz and Phillips will be to important to lock up long term. So bye bye Barden, Osi, Diehl, Canty, and if Rolle can't handle restructuring his contract he'll be gone too.

penguinfarmer
09-23-2012, 01:06 PM
Snee is in line for a re-sign instead of just waiting for his option. His cap number can be alleviated with an extension.

njsean
09-23-2012, 01:14 PM
Well...one thing thats a positive is that Nicks isnt looking for a big payday....Just some fly caps.

Tmurda1984
09-23-2012, 01:16 PM
Snee is in line for a re-sign instead of just waiting for his option. His cap number can be alleviated with an extension.

They had already restructed his contract....if Reese does that, I would holdout if I was Snee. Theres no way you are going to lowball me two straight years. Giants would have no leverage in that either, our line isnt the best and he's one of the best players on the offensive line.

Tmurda1984
09-23-2012, 01:17 PM
Cutting Diehl and Canty will alleviate alot of cap problems, Osi may not be resigned and thats more money in the bank as well.

TheAnalyst
09-23-2012, 01:20 PM
We won't resign Bennett. He is a one year rental. Stop gap. He will get big money from someone. We need to develop Robinson.

penguinfarmer
09-23-2012, 01:21 PM
They had already restructed his contract....if Reese does that, I would holdout if I was Snee. Theres no way you are going to lowball me two straight years. Giants would have no leverage in that either, our line isnt the best and he's one of the best players on the offensive line.

Restructuring isn't lowballing. It's simply turning base salary into a prorated signing bonus which means that money becomes guaranteed. Neither is moving residual cap room into a new contract.

And cutting Diehl saves less than 1mil.

drewz
09-23-2012, 01:37 PM
Restructuring isn't lowballing. It's simply turning base salary into a prorated signing bonus which means that money becomes guaranteed. Neither is moving residual cap room into a new contract.

And cutting Diehl saves less than 1mil.

How does cutting David Diehl save less than 1 mill? Base salary of 4.1M, Signing bonus 3.0M, Misc bonus 300K

Honest question, I really don't know..

nycsportzfan
09-24-2012, 03:18 AM
No one is an absolutely must re-sign . . . all depends on the money they want. My guess is that Bennett will want huge money if he continues playing like he has been . . . If Bennett wants to much doe, i'd let him walk.. Hes not gonna be as good in alot of offenses around the league, adn we got other prioritys .

nycsportzfan
09-24-2012, 03:20 AM
Will Beatty and Sean Locklear are must signs.. They've been pretty dang good and are line is a interesting unit week to week, so without a doubt, i want those guys back next yr.. Beatty at LT and Locklear at RT.. To be honest, i'd cut David Baas and give that job to Jim Cordle as well.. We need to save cap space somewhere and as good as Baas has been this yr, i think we can get away with that move.. I think Corlde will be a above avg starter in this league..

nycsportzfan
09-24-2012, 03:28 AM
We won't resign Bennett. He is a one year rental. Stop gap. He will get big money from someone. We need to develop Robinson. Or draft a guy.. Theres quite a few TE's worthy of drafting this yr.. Guys like Tyler Eifert , Joseph Fauria UCLA(similar size and recieving ability).. A few guys like Zach Ertz of Stanford and Dion Sims of Mich St could make this a really deep class..


I'm not saying Adrien Robinson won't become a productive offensive player for us, but the guy only had 12catches in 4yrs at Cincy, so at least making sure we have a insurance policy would be a good idea.. And with so many FA's to deal with, maybe that Insurance comes via draft again.. Also, Beckum could be had for cheap because of his returning from injury..

giantsfan420
09-24-2012, 03:52 AM
what? dd cap hiit next season is 7 mil iirc, i know its more than 1 mil

EnragedYouth85
09-24-2012, 11:12 AM
I think a few people need to restructure their contracts for next year:

Corey Webster - 7 Million (No way he's playing up to that number lately)
Antrel Rolle - 7 Million
David Diehl - 4.1 Million (Restructure or cut)
Ahmad Bradshaw - 3.75 Million (Restructure, he's been hurt for years, and now we know Brown can handle the load)
Michael Boley - 4.25 Million (Restructure)
David Baas - 4.25 Million (Restructure)
Justin Tuck - 4 Million (Restructure)

Well this is at least my wish list for saving money but all those probably won't happen. Webster and Rolle making that much money is killing me though!

Cloud57
09-24-2012, 11:16 AM
The strength of the Giants is the offense so we need to keep all our major offensive players, as for the defense yeah some of them are over paid.

TheAnalyst
09-24-2012, 11:27 AM
Or draft a guy.. Theres quite a few TE's worthy of drafting this yr.. Guys like Tyler Eifert , Joseph Fauria UCLA(similar size and recieving ability).. A few guys like Zach Ertz of Stanford and Dion Sims of Mich St could make this a really deep class..


I'm not saying Adrien Robinson won't become a productive offensive player for us, but the guy only had 12catches in 4yrs at Cincy, so at least making sure we have a insurance policy would be a good idea.. And with so many FA's to deal with, maybe that Insurance comes via draft again.. Also, Beckum could be had for cheap because of his returning from injury..

I'd be ok with that. Im good with drafting a TE in later rounds though, not early. TEs just are not that big in our offense. With Nicks and Cruz, it opens it up for everyone else, from Boss, Ballard, Pascoe, Bennett, ect. Bennett is by far the best athlete of all those guys, but he is not worth a big long term contract no matter the #s he puts up considering we need to resign Nicks and Cruz soon. Im not sure Beckum is worth anything at this point. He had shots and failed.

ryan12
09-24-2012, 01:28 PM
we have alot of work to do NEXT YEAR lets worry about this year ladies and gents this is a end of season topic

nycsportzfan
09-24-2012, 05:28 PM
I'd be ok with that. Im good with drafting a TE in later rounds though, not early. TEs just are not that big in our offense. With Nicks and Cruz, it opens it up for everyone else, from Boss, Ballard, Pascoe, Bennett, ect. Bennett is by far the best athlete of all those guys, but he is not worth a big long term contract no matter the #s he puts up considering we need to resign Nicks and Cruz soon. Im not sure Beckum is worth anything at this point. He had shots and failed. THe one thing i will say is that i wonder if its coincidence that the most productive outta all u mentioned was teh guy who happened to be drafted teh earliest.. Bennett was a 2nd rder, the rest were 5th rder, 4th rders, UDF..etc So maybe having a legit prospect at the positon helps more then we think.. Shockey for instance was better then all mentioned and he was a 1st rder.. ya, we can get by without a stud there, but if the production seems to go up when its a draft pick taken in the 2nd rd or lower...

CDN_G-FAN
09-24-2012, 05:38 PM
THe one thing i will say is that i wonder if its coincidence that the most productive outta all u mentioned was teh guy who happened to be drafted teh earliest.. Bennett was a 2nd rder, the rest were 5th rder, 4th rders, UDF..etc So maybe having a legit prospect at the positon helps more then we think.. Shockey for instance was better then all mentioned and he was a 1st rder.. ya, we can get by without a stud there, but if the production seems to go up when its a draft pick taken in the 2nd rd or lower...

to me there's a couple critical points:

i'd prefer to have a monster blocker who is a threat in the passing game, as opposed to a monster threat in the passing game who can block if asked. That's why i like Bennett, he's great in the run game, and he can make some plays downfield.

i wouldn't want to give him some huge contract for the fact that i'm not willing to completely discount his years in Dallas, and i question whether other GMs are willing to do the same. He's playing under a 1 year contract on his 2nd team since coming into the NFL, this is his shot at a big deal. I wonder whether you get the same performance (on and off the field) if he gets his huge payday. There's risk in this player still.

jomo
09-24-2012, 06:13 PM
Pretty long list, with the cap situation we'll have to make some tough decisions....I am sure that JR views it as an opportunity to continue the process of remaking the team. I think there are a number of people on there who I'd love to keep but not at their current price tag. We can get better values elsewhere and make space to reload the OL which is priority #1.

JesseJames
09-24-2012, 06:22 PM
people keep saying that TEs are not big in our offense and I disagree, Bennett is showing right now what a pass catching TE can do for an offense and we're all happy at his success, so TEs really are big in an offense if you have one and now we do...

Manstache
09-24-2012, 08:18 PM
Johnson, Capers, Marshall, Stevie Brown, Witherspoon, Tryon, Rogers, Umenyiora, Beckum =adios.

miked1958
09-24-2012, 08:25 PM
To depressing to think about right now. Let's worry about the offseason after this season is over. For now lets chase another Title.

penguinfarmer
09-24-2012, 08:46 PM
For those asking about Diehl, his bonus is 3mil. His base is 4. Bonus is guaranteed money. In the even he gets cut, it becomes dead cap space. I miscalculated in that I thought his proration from this year was more, but it's roughly 3mil in cap space.

Now if he were cut this year prior to the restrcuture, we would have saved all 7 mil next year.