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njg85m
09-26-2012, 11:56 AM
First off, I'm not arguing the kneel down rush. Both sides have made their arguments clear, and both sides are understood. He isn't doing anything illegal, it is just an unwritten rule he is breaking, period. We're done debating that.

What I want to debate however, is what Schiano's true intentions are.

I don't believe that Schiano really believes he has a chance to recover the ball when he does this right now when teams are in the V formation. I DO believe that he is trying to effect how teams play against him with the lead in the future though. Either by going into a shotgun QB kneel, or by running some sort of goal line HB dive. Both of which that have extremely higher rates of a fumble than a V formation but a much lower risk of injury for the offensive team.

He has his guys literally diving at the knees of players when they are in the most vulnerable place in all of football. The sooner he injures someone, the sooner teams are going to reconsider putting their players in that spot against him, and he knows that.

I made my mind up after the dallas game. Let's just consider a few things.

-He waited 26 seconds to call his first time out. Either he is a completely incompetent clock manager and does not belong in the NFL or he has other intentions than just "putting his players in the best position to win, all 60 minutes". It just doesn't make sense. If you're only trying to get the ball back to put your team in a spot to win, why are you letting the clock run down to 14 seconds? Again, makes ZERO sense.
-After his final timeout he is seen screaming at his players. "Coincidentally", 8 of the d-linemen are then lined up in the neutral zone. Literally touching helmets with dallas and immediately chopping the knees. Even if he recovers, the play is void.

Just doesn't add up, and I'm not buying it. I honestly believe his intent is to injure someone so that teams will rethink the victory formation when playing him.

Just take a look at the Dallas tape, his philosophy being his sole motive makes no sense when you look at the videos....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj2dTESAFio&feature=player_embedded#!

EddieBlue
09-26-2012, 01:14 PM
First off, I'm not arguing the kneel down rush. Both sides have made their arguments clear, and both sides are understood. He isn't doing anything illegal, it is just an unwritten rule he is breaking, period. We're done debating that.

What I want to debate however, is what Schiano's true intentions are.

I don't believe that Schiano really believes he has a chance to recover the ball when he does this right now when teams are in the V formation. I DO believe that he is trying to effect how teams play against him with the lead in the future though. Either by going into a shotgun QB kneel, or by running some sort of goal line HB dive. Both of which that have extremely higher rates of a fumble than a V formation but a much lower risk of injury for the offensive team.

He has his guys literally diving at the knees of players when they are in the most vulnerable place in all of football. The sooner he injures someone, the sooner teams are going to reconsider putting their players in that spot against him, and he knows that.

I made my mind up after the dallas game. Let's just consider a few things.

-He waited 26 seconds to call his first time out. Either he is a completely incompetent clock manager and does not belong in the NFL or he has other intentions than just "putting his players in the best position to win, all 60 minutes". It just doesn't make sense. If you're only trying to get the ball back to put your team in a spot to win, why are you letting the clock run down to 14 seconds? Again, makes ZERO sense.
-After his final timeout he is seen screaming at his players. "Coincidentally", 8 of the d-linemen are then lined up in the neutral zone. Literally touching helmets with dallas and immediately chopping the knees. Even if he recovers, the play is void.

Just doesn't add up, and I'm not buying it. I honestly believe his intent is to injure someone so that teams will rethink the victory formation when playing him.

Just take a look at the Dallas tape, his philosophy being his sole motive makes no sense when you look at the videos....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj2dTESAFio&feature=player_embedded#!

The guy is a complete tool. I think any team that plays them should go offsides the first play and level their entire o-line.

GMENAGAIN
09-26-2012, 01:21 PM
Your theory makes no sense whatsoever, but the game was almost two weeks ago. Let it go.

Flip Empty
09-26-2012, 01:28 PM
the game was almost two weeks ago. Let it go.
He did it to Dallas this week as well.

The only way I'll believe he's actually trying to cause injury is if he calls it after his team has been blown out. As it stands, he's run it in two games in which they've been behind by one score.

EddieBlue
09-26-2012, 01:42 PM
Your theory makes no sense whatsoever, but the game was almost two weeks ago. Let it go.

See below. I GUARANTEE some lineman gets his knee blown out from that kind of desperate attempt.

GameTime
09-26-2012, 01:55 PM
if he does it when down by more than 8 I will kind of agree....

GMENAGAIN
09-26-2012, 02:55 PM
He did it to Dallas this week as well.

The only way I'll believe he's actually trying to cause injury is if he calls it after his team has been blown out. As it stands, he's run it in two games in which they've been behind by one score.
I could care less what he does in any other game.

To say that the guy is purposely trying to injuure players is just dumb IMO.

GMENAGAIN
09-26-2012, 02:55 PM
See below. I GUARANTEE some lineman gets his knee blown out from that kind of desperate attempt.

Doesn't mean that he doing it for the purpose of causing injury, which is the whole point of this thread.

njg85m
09-26-2012, 03:40 PM
Your theory makes no sense whatsoever, but the game was almost two weeks ago. Let it go.


Did you even read my post? I didn't mention the Giants game once, and explained my reasoning.
How exactly does my theory make no sense? Care to explain, or just interested in adding to your post count with a useless response?

njg85m
09-26-2012, 03:42 PM
if he does it when down by more than 8 I will kind of agree....

If he does it when down by more than 8 then his excuse for doing it wouldn't make any sense and it would be obvious why he has done it.

Right now, I have no doubt that he is trying to prevent future teams from kneeling on the ball.

Morehead State
09-26-2012, 03:43 PM
Did you even read my post? I didn't mention the Giants game once, and explained my reasoning.
How exactly does my theory make no sense? Care to explain, or just interested in adding to your post count with a useless response?
What can be gained by trying to cause an injury?

GameTime
09-26-2012, 03:55 PM
If he does it when down by more than 8 then his excuse for doing it wouldn't make any sense and it would be obvious why he has done it.

Right now, I have no doubt that he is trying to prevent future teams from kneeling on the ball.
exactly why I said it. At least now he has reason. If he does it just to do it then he is a **** head...

EddieBlue
09-26-2012, 03:56 PM
What can be gained by trying to cause an injury?

Schiano's cementing of his spot in NFL history by being awarded *****hole of the year?

GMENAGAIN
09-26-2012, 04:13 PM
Did you even read my post? I didn't mention the Giants game once, and explained my reasoning.
How exactly does my theory make no sense? Care to explain, or just interested in adding to your post count with a useless response?
It makes no sense that a professional coach would set out to purposely injure players on the opposing team when the outcome of the game is no longer seriously in doubt. If you think that it does, then you are a nut.

Is that a good enough explanation for you?

njg85m
09-26-2012, 05:47 PM
It makes no sense that a professional coach would set out to purposely injure players on the opposing team when the outcome of the game is no longer seriously in doubt. If you think that it does, then you are a nut.

Is that a good enough explanation for you?

An injury in the V formation is going to make coaches in future games question whether they want to kneel down against him or run an actual play. If teams are forced to run an actual play where their linemen aren't as vulnerable as they are in the V formation then Schiano increased his odds at causing a turnover by completely eliminating the kneel down for fear of injury. I don't think you fully read or even understood my post.

Don't you think if Romo or his center had their knee blown out on Sunday the next team that plays Schiano will think twice about kneeling on the ball?

njg85m
09-26-2012, 05:48 PM
What can be gained by trying to cause an injury?

Pretty sure I explained it.

Morehead State
09-26-2012, 06:04 PM
It makes no sense that a professional coach would set out to purposely injure players on the opposing team when the outcome of the game is no longer seriously in doubt. If you think that it does, then you are a nut.

Is that a good enough explanation for you?
Completely agree.

FIFTY6G-MAN
09-26-2012, 06:11 PM
The only thing he is doing now is covering his butt. If he let up after T.C. chewed him out on live TV he would look like the chump he really is. If his BS does in fact hurt someone, lets hope its someone from his OWN team.

Toadofsteel
09-26-2012, 08:00 PM
There IS a hard counter to the "cause injuries" motive, that I expect opposing teams to start doing now that Schiano has doubled down on rushing the kneeldown.

It's quite simple really: let your backups do the victory formation. If we had to face TB again, I could see us sending out Carr, put Diehl, Cordle, and Brewer in the middle to protect, and flank him with Scott and Wilson. Maybe line up some D-line depth on the O-line as well. Keep Jernigan behind them in the backfield to recover the ball if necessary. If our starters aren't even on the field, they can't get injured.

GameTime
09-26-2012, 08:40 PM
The only thing he is doing now is covering his butt. If he let up after T.C. chewed him out on live TV he would look like the chump he really is. If his BS does in fact hurt someone, lets hope its someone from his OWN team.
was thinking that too....makes sense

JPP=BEASTMODE
09-27-2012, 02:01 AM
Where is Greg Schiano the poster? Lol ask him.

GMENAGAIN
09-27-2012, 07:16 AM
An injury in the V formation is going to make coaches in future games question whether they want to kneel down against him or run an actual play. If teams are forced to run an actual play where their linemen aren't as vulnerable as they are in the V formation then Schiano increased his odds at causing a turnover by completely eliminating the kneel down for fear of injury. I don't think you fully read or even understood my post.

Don't you think if Romo or his center had their knee blown out on Sunday the next team that plays Schiano will think twice about kneeling on the ball?

LOL . . . . I don't think that you read or even understood your own post.

Parademon
09-27-2012, 09:33 PM
Got no problem with what he does as long as the score is within 7-8 pts, he's just a $%^head if he does it down by 9+ pts.

FIFTY6G-MAN
09-27-2012, 11:44 PM
Got no problem with what he does as long as the score is within 7-8 pts, he's just a $%^head if he does it down by 9+ pts.He wont stop until someone is hurt. Hopefully it is his guy!!!

bigblue58
09-30-2012, 12:10 PM
The next time we play him Coughlin will probably fake a kneeldown and have Eli toss a bomb in the endzone and run the score up on his lame behind!

Greg Schiano
10-04-2012, 03:25 PM
Where is Greg Schiano the poster? Lol ask him.
No. It's a no. Not trying to intentionally injure people. Just trying to wreck some victory formations.

FIFTY6G-MAN
10-04-2012, 09:14 PM
No. It's a no. Not trying to intentionally injure people. Just trying to wreck some victory formations.Screw that, the actual coach is an idiot. I cant wait for him to be run out of the NFL!!!!!!!! He is nothing but a disgrace to the game of football when you intentionally try to hurt members from an opposing team when the game is sealed. Does the word "BOUNTYGATE" mean anything. BTW Schitano looks just like a butt plug!