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53canton
10-01-2012, 02:43 PM
Why did Eli even attempt that throw to Barden when we were already in FG range? One more short completion and Tynes kicks the winner from 40 yds out! Even an incompletion there and we still kick the winner from 43. Why go for a TD when we dont need it Eli??

That game was handed to Philly right there! Sickening, makes no sense!

Moke
10-01-2012, 02:47 PM
Was it really 28 seconds? Wow... even worse of a play-call..... I thought it was lower than that.

joemorrisforprez
10-01-2012, 02:47 PM
Why did Eli even attempt that throw to Barden when we were already in FG range? One more short completion and Tynes kicks the winner from 40 yds out! Even an incompletion there and we still kick the winner from 43. Why go for a TD when we dont need it Eli??

That game was handed to Philly right there! Sickening, makes no sense!

Same old **** we always see from this offense against Philly.

The smart move would have been to spread the defense, and then hand off to Brown up the middle for a few more yards.....then spike the ball, kick the game winner and go home.

But for some ****ing reason that escapes me, this team is all about the pass.

CowboysSuck
10-01-2012, 02:51 PM
Yes, exactly. 2nd down at a 44 yarder. HAND THE BALL OFF AND CLOCK IT. The worst thing that happens is a 44 yarder. I dont understand the logic of what they did. WTF?!?!?

CowboysSuck
10-01-2012, 02:54 PM
I want answers, all the media guys are only asking them about the 3rd and long with 15 sec left. **** that play, who cares. WHAT ABOUT 2nd DOWN FROM THE 27 YARD LINE?!?! WHY WOULD YOU THROW A DEEP PASS?!?! I am so unbelievably pissed that Coughlin got outcoached. What a disgrace.

SuperNYGiants
10-01-2012, 02:54 PM
INEXCUSABLE

NYGabriel
10-01-2012, 02:56 PM
This again?

Watch Eli's press conference. He explains.

foxie
10-01-2012, 02:58 PM
A hand off up the middle to "center" the ball for Tynes, couple yards closer, 90% chance the game is over, with as much time remove as you wish before spiking the ball, why throw ANYTHING at that point. WHY throw to a step for step covered Barden of All people, who barely made the team, in a untested game on the line pressure situation. (barden actually did all he could to break up a sure interception, that's how ill advised this play was). THE GAME WAS WON!. Coughlin can second guess all he wants, this was just moronic play calling & poor execution-THROW IT AWAY, ELI, He's NOT wide open!
!!!!!!

joemorrisforprez
10-01-2012, 03:02 PM
I want answers, all the media guys are only asking them about the 3rd and long with 15 sec left. **** that play, who cares. WHAT ABOUT 2nd DOWN FROM THE 27 YARD LINE?!?! WHY WOULD YOU THROW A DEEP PASS?!?! I am so unbelievably pissed that Coughlin got outcoached. What a disgrace.

Insanity: repeating the same behaviour and expecting different results.

The Giants coaching staff takes leave of their senses whenever they play the Eagles. I can't explain it.

NYGabriel
10-01-2012, 03:05 PM
They went for the touchdown. If it comes off everybody looks great. If it doesn't they look stupid. PI was the absolute worst case scenario in that situation.

eastbayblue
10-01-2012, 03:07 PM
I cannot come up with a rational explanation for this decision, inexcusable!!!

EnragedYouth85
10-01-2012, 03:10 PM
Not sure why they did what they did but I still love my team and we will bounce back.

CowboysSuck
10-01-2012, 03:11 PM
Not sure why they did what they did but I still love my team and we will bounce back.

Yes, that is a given. But it doesnt hurt to ***** a moan, does it?

CowboysSuck
10-01-2012, 03:13 PM
Thats like someone *****ing about how ****ty the weather is one day and how the meteorologists were all wrong. Then someone saying, its ok it will be sunny again someday and the meteorologists will be right eventually. Well yeah, duh, but that doesnt fix 40 degrees and pouring rain for my wedding reception, does it?!?!?

53canton
10-01-2012, 03:21 PM
BUT they didnt need a TD!!! And against one of the top CB's out there? Short pass kick the shorter FG and its over. Francesa just said that Eli may not have looked to go to Barden first. MAybe his other options werent open. Not sure, but I want to know what Eli was thinking.

53canton
10-01-2012, 03:36 PM
Francesa just showed the replay, and Eli looked right over to his right to Barden and threw it. He had Bradshaw down short, could have gained a few or at least back to the 26 yard line. Horrible decision to throw deep to Barden. I love Eli, but he cost us the game there.

Manning
10-01-2012, 03:41 PM
were you all *****ing in the super bowl vs the pats when we were at at the 30 yard line and we kept passing all the way down to the 10 when we only needed a FG? This is how this team has operated for many years now.

foxie
10-01-2012, 03:42 PM
Francesa just showed the replay, and Eli looked right over to his right to Barden and threw it. He had Bradshaw down short, could have gained a few or at least back to the 26 yard line. Horrible decision to throw deep to Barden. I love Eli, but he cost us the game there. "ELI cost us the game right there". WHY force the ball to a step by step COVERED Barden, It was a bad play called to begin with, THROW THE BALL AWAY, you're in field goal range. ELI's our HOF QB, but this was just a terrible decision........

Manning
10-01-2012, 03:45 PM
Eli cost us the game on the pick, not the throw to Barden. The Barden throw was a bad throw. He had 1-on-1 coverage with a 6-6 WR. Eli trusts his receivers in those situations. He threw it too long, and I would want him to throw it in that direction again. Hind sight is 20/20 but I can tell you I would have been shaking in my boots if Tynes had to kick a 45 yard FG as well. If he missed that you would all have been screaming that the giants wasted 45 seconds on the clock when they could have made it an easier kick.

feldspar
10-01-2012, 03:51 PM
They went for the touchdown. If it comes off everybody looks great. If it doesn't they look stupid. PI was the absolute worst case scenario in that situation.

Here's another thing: they called pass interference TWICE on that drive alone already. They were calling it. And that coverage was too tight to throw the ball at all in that situation anyway...that's assuming that the play-call was sound. It was not. The play-call was Stupid with a capital "S." I don't say this only through hindsight, either. Totally unnecessary to call that play. After the pass interference call, they go deep AGAIN instead of trying to pick up some more yards to kick a fieldgoal. This was with :21 left.

They were in prime position to win that game easily when it was 1st and 10 on Philly's 27 yard-line with 50 seconds left. The play-calling was atrocious.

Also, the Giants were the last team I picked on a four-team parlay. I already had the Chargers, 49ers, and Dolphins come through for me...all I needed was for the Giants to cover...I had the Giants plus a point-and-a-half. Those *******s lost by two, which mean I lost by a half-point, and it killed my parlay.

That piss-poor game management at the end there cost me around $900 in winnings.

Eli's interception in the endzone at 1st and goal from the 10 yard-line at the beginning of the 4th quarter was bad, but how the Giants handled the end was just dumb. Cost me money.

moosedrool
10-01-2012, 04:17 PM
Don't blame Eli. Blame Barden for mugging the CB. Stupid, and can't be trusted after that play and when he dropped the ball before that went he went to the ground. And a 44 yard FG is no gimmee. Ask Scott Norwood.

53canton
10-01-2012, 04:28 PM
Did you guys watch the replay? See Bradshaw? Hes open short, an Eagle is 7 yards from him. At worst Bradshaw gets back to the line of scrimmage. But im sure with his moves he would have gotten something positive. Again, there was no reason to go for a TD there against a great cover CB!!

And we are just second guessing Eli on one play. This has nothing to do with the Super Bowl performances! Eli is great, but unless your name is Jesus Christ, you can be second guessed!! It cost us the game, no reason to go for 7 there.

foxie
10-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Don't blame Eli. Blame Barden for mugging the CB. Stupid, and can't be trusted after that play and when he dropped the ball before that went he went to the ground. And a 44 yard FG is no gimmee. Ask Scott Norwood. I'm no Barden fan, but if he doesn't mug the CB it's a easy interception!, he did a nice job breaking it up, the CB had perfect position on him, ELI should have NEVER thrown THAT ball, after a play call that NEVER should have been called! IMHO

moosedrool
10-01-2012, 04:47 PM
I'm no Barden fan, but if he doesn't mug the CB it's a easy interception!, he did a nice job breaking it up, the CB had perfect position on him, ELI should have NEVER thrown THAT ball, after a play call that NEVER should have been called! IMHO

He didn't have to mug the CB. He's 6'6" and could have simply knocked it down.

And I don't hate Barden. He is just inexperienced and will get better over time. But right now he can't be trusted in crunch time.

GIANTSACK
10-01-2012, 05:20 PM
They went for the touchdown. If it comes off everybody looks great. If it doesn't they look stupid. PI was the absolute worst case scenario in that situation.

Sickening.. I can't believe this team is capable of making this mistake. I thought they would've known better. 44 fg ilk take that anytime even with tynes. Sick

TheBookOfEli
10-01-2012, 05:22 PM
Honestly, i think the Eagles have gotten into the Giant player and coaches heads. It's all psychological warfare now.

NYGabriel
10-01-2012, 05:32 PM
Yep..The manner of that defeat was a dagger. I'm still trying to make some sense of it. Eli said when the opportunity is there for this team to go for the TD that's what they'll do. Still, in that situation, a running play without a loss of yards would probably have iced the game. That's what I was anticipating. It was a bad call but the fight goes on.

nycsportzfan
10-01-2012, 06:04 PM
THey gave a game away, is what they did.. I swear ELI has some serious end of game brain cramps in Philly.. I mean, u got the guy diving instead of sliding and fumbling without even being touched that cost us a game there, and then this horrible decison.. The worst part of the entire thing was Nhamdi straight locked down Barden that entire route.. What was eli seeing? Also, how do u put so little air under the pass? If anything, make sure ur only giving ur guy the opp to make a play.. It was like he was trying to blow the game(obviously he wasent).. But how else can u explain a underthrown ball into extremely good coverege when ur all ready in fairly typical FG range for any decent FG kicker in the NFL? Just freaking stupid.. Thats all u can say about it..

NorwoodBlue
10-01-2012, 06:18 PM
He didn't have to mug the CB. He's 6'6" and could have simply knocked it down.

And I don't hate Barden. He is just inexperienced and will get better over time. But right now he can't be trusted in crunch time.

Eli seriously underthrew that ball, and the one to Bennett in the endzone. It was a ballsy play that failed miserably. The obvious play was a 5-10 yard out to move closer, this play would have been great if it worked. It didn't, we lose. It's already time to move on, and focus on Cleveland.

Manning
10-01-2012, 06:32 PM
You guys are all acting like a 45 yard fg is a sure thing. It isn't. On the last set of downs, there was :52 seconds left. All of you are suggesting they just sit at their current spot and run the clock down?!?!? Imagine then Tynes comes out and missed the 45 yard field goal. You then are all screaming that the Giants had plenty of time to make the FG much easier for Tynes. The Giants were correct in trying to gain more yardage with the time they had left on the clock. (Complain about the 1st down draw then letting the clock wind down if anything).

Eli made a good decision by picking the 1 on 1 match up, but made a bad decision on the location, or a bad throw. Everyone for the past year has been saying Nnamdi is SOOOO overrated, but now one day later you are saying Eli is an idiot for throwing it at the best corner in the league. You can't have it both ways. That throw by Eli is based on that it was 1 on 1 and Eli trusts his receiver to beat his man. Thats a throw he makes all the time.

53canton
10-01-2012, 06:47 PM
Yep..The manner of that defeat was a dagger. I'm still trying to make some sense of it. Eli said when the opportunity is there for this team to go for the TD that's what they'll do. Still, in that situation, a running play without a loss of yards would probably have iced the game. That's what I was anticipating. It was a bad call but the fight goes on.

I agree. Thats pretty closed minded to think you have to go for 7 in that situation. It just wasnt necessary. See Bradshaw open for a short gain on that play.

53canton
10-01-2012, 06:49 PM
It wouldnt have been a 45 yarder. They were on the 26 of Philly. That makes it a 43 yarder, no? And thats without a gainer on 2nd down. We handed Philly that game!