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BParcells777
10-01-2012, 02:56 PM
1- Wet rainy conditons

2- Tynes tweeked something and is not talking

3- Reid had some air taken out of that last ball....who watches and controls the game balls?

He regressed big tim

Toadofsteel
10-01-2012, 02:57 PM
He underpowered the 2nd attempt because the first one was wide left. Simple as that. The more you kick for power, the less accuracy you'll have. Power is more important on kickoffs (you just need to be between sidelines), but you need to get between the posts to get a FG.

GameTime
10-01-2012, 02:59 PM
1- Wet rainy conditons

2- Tynes tweeked something and is not talking

3- Reid had some air taken out of that last ball....who watches and controls the game balls?

He regressed big tim
WTF are you taking about???

CowboysSuck
10-01-2012, 03:00 PM
It was a 54 yarder. That is by NO MEANS a chip shot for any NFL kicker.

The league percentage at 54 yards+ is probably somewhere around 20-40 %. No big deal, this loss is NOT on Tynes what so ever.

JB456
10-01-2012, 03:03 PM
It was a 54 yarder. That is by NO MEANS a chip shot for any NFL kicker.

The league percentage at 54 yards+ is probably somewhere around 20-40 %. No big deal, this loss is NOT on Tynes what so ever.

54 yards is a big kick plus Tynes was never know for long kicks. After he missed the first one, he cut down on his power for more accuracy as it has been mentioned.

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 03:10 PM
It was a 54 yarder. That is by NO MEANS a chip shot for any NFL kicker.

The league percentage at 54 yards+ is probably somewhere around 20-40 %. No big deal, this loss is NOT on Tynes what so ever.

So far this season, 26 successful FGs of 50+... Only 7 misses at 50+.

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 03:13 PM
Unless you count both of Tynes misses last night, then it's 8 misses at 50+... LOL

GameTime
10-01-2012, 03:14 PM
Unless you count both of Tynes misses last night, then it's 8 misses at 50+... LOL
thats what makes the play calling even more ****ed up.....

GMENAGAIN
10-01-2012, 03:15 PM
Wow, the nuts are out in full force today . . . .

CowboysSuck
10-01-2012, 03:17 PM
So far this season, 26 successful FGs of 50+... Only 7 misses at 50+.

I said 54+...discount all of the 50, 51, 52, and 53 yarders and it is probably more like 30%. Discount all made in Denver too.

Also, its only been 4 weeks. I'd put my money on the league average being less than 50% from 54+ given a whole season.

jomo
10-01-2012, 03:19 PM
So far this season, 26 successful FGs of 50+... Only 7 misses at 50+............again here's someone trying to confuse these boards with facts! lol

EnragedYouth85
10-01-2012, 03:23 PM
By no means is this Tynes fault. It was a 54 yd FG which is pretty damn far. They shouldn't of passed it to Barden and it would of been a 44 at the worst..

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 03:24 PM
I said 54+...discount all of the 50, 51, 52, and 53 yarders and it is probably more like 30%. Discount all made in Denver too.

Also, its only been 4 weeks. I'd put my money on the league average being less than 50% from 54+ given a whole season.

I'm sure there are few 60+ yard FGs in there too, should I give those extra credit then?... Look at the entire 2011 season stats, the numbers are well over 50%... The numbers don't lie... A 50+ FG is a very, very manageable FG in today's NFL (assuming you have a kicker with the leg strength to handle it).

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 03:36 PM
BTW, I think Tynes' leg strength has actually gotten a little better these last few seasons... The 54 yarder would have been a career long for him, so obviously that's the edge of his range, but clearly the coaches and Tynes both think that's a FG he can make... Would they have liked it being closer, no doubt, but under the circumstances, Coughlin thought it was the smartest play... I ain't gonna second guess it... Still sucks that every time we lose to Philly, it has to be a heartbreaker.

Manning
10-01-2012, 03:37 PM
how many 50+ has Tynes even ever attempted. People calling out Tynes is absurd.

Manning
10-01-2012, 03:38 PM
Did the first attempt have the distance? Just curious.

GameTime
10-01-2012, 03:39 PM
Did the first attempt have the distance? Just curious.
I believe it did. Wide left....

Drez
10-01-2012, 03:42 PM
He hasn't regressed. Tynes has never hit a 54 yarder in his life. His career long is 52. Had that FG been from 52, it would have been good.

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 03:49 PM
He hasn't regressed. Tynes has never hit a 54 yarder in his life. His career long is 52. Had that FG been from 52, it would have been good.

His career long is 53, which he has hit twice... He was 1 for 3 last season at 50+ with the one successful try at exactly 50 yards.

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 03:50 PM
how many 50+ has Tynes even ever attempted. People calling out Tynes is absurd.

I believe he has made 10 50+ FGs throughout his career.

BlueSanta
10-01-2012, 03:59 PM
I said 54+...discount all of the 50, 51, 52, and 53 yarders and it is probably more like 30%. Discount all made in Denver too.

Also, its only been 4 weeks. I'd put my money on the league average being less than 50% from 54+ given a whole season.

as the season progresses the %'s always drop, especially in outdoor stadiums.

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 04:06 PM
as the season progresses the %'s always drop, especially in outdoor stadiums.

All of the 2011 season, the percentage of 50+ FGs was still well above 50%... It's currently sitting at almost 75%... Sure, it will naturally go down as the weather changes, but not that far down.

Drez
10-01-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm sure there are few 60+ yard FGs in there too, should I give those extra credit then?... Look at the entire 2011 season stats, the numbers are well over 50%... The numbers don't lie... A 50+ FG is a very, very manageable FG in today's NFL (assuming you have a kicker with the leg strength to handle it).
Last season 50+ FG attempts had a leaguewide average of 55.25%

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/field-goal-percentage-50-plus

Drez
10-01-2012, 04:13 PM
His career long is 53, which he has hit twice... He was 1 for 3 last season at 50+ with the one successful try at exactly 50 yards.
My bad, I thought I saw a beat writer tweet that his career long was 52.

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Last season 50+ FG attempts had a leaguewide average of 55.25%

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/field-goal-percentage-50-plus

In 2011, 140 50+ FGs were attempted, 90 were successful and 50 were missed... That's a 64.2% success rate.

Drez
10-01-2012, 04:26 PM
In 2011, 140 50+ FGs were attempted, 90 were successful and 50 were missed... That's a 64.2% success rate.

Which is a ****ty percentage for FGs.

TheAnalyst
10-01-2012, 04:28 PM
Lawrence Tynes career long FG is 53 yards.

Why the hell did we not try to get closer?!?!

Bad coaching job by TC.

JB456
10-01-2012, 04:37 PM
Lawrence Tynes career long FG is 53 yards.

Why the hell did we not try to get closer?!?!

Bad coaching job by TC.

This was a poorly managed game. I am so annoyed by it, not because its a loss, losses happen, but by the way it was managed at the end.

Drez
10-01-2012, 04:41 PM
In 2011, 140 50+ FGs were attempted, 90 were successful and 50 were missed... That's a 64.2% success rate.

Looks like the site I used was wrong, somewhere along the line.

Weygand
10-01-2012, 04:54 PM
He underpowered the 2nd attempt because the first one was wide left. Simple as that. The more you kick for power, the less accuracy you'll have. Power is more important on kickoffs (you just need to be between sidelines), but you need to get between the posts to get a FG.

Nice reply. Really, this thread should have been locked after this response.

nycisgreat
10-01-2012, 04:58 PM
1- Wet rainy conditons

2- Tynes tweeked something and is not talking

3- Reid had some air taken out of that last ball....who watches and controls the game balls?

He regressed big tim


The guy never had leg strength. Wasn't he last in the league in touch back when kickoffs were at the 30 yd line? The dude could barely get the ball to the edge of the end zone on some kickoffs with him being closer to the end zone.

Weygand
10-01-2012, 05:02 PM
The guy never had leg strength. Wasn't he last in the league in touch back when kickoffs were at the 30 yd line? The dude could barely get the ball to the edge of the end zone on some kickoffs with him being closer to the end zone.

I'd rather have Tynes than Janikowski....SeBas has leg strength but PATs are nail-biters with him

LT Stands For Greatness
10-01-2012, 05:03 PM
Lawrence Tynes career long FG is 53 yards.

Why the hell did we not try to get closer?!?!

Bad coaching job by TC.

:15 seconds left and no time outs. If they came out for a pass play, you know Philly would be guarding the sidelines for a quick out. You would not have enough time to run up to the line and spike it, if the receiver does not get out of bounds. Maybe another shot at the end zone, maybe not. I'm sure just before the 2nd half started Tynes told TC what his range was in the direction they were heading and this was in his range. Otherwise TC would have handled it differently. While the first attempt was wide left, it had the distance. The second try was on target, but just fell short. The offensive pass interference penalty by Barden pushed the Giants back to just beyond his career long. Frustrating, I know. But I'm not second guessing TC or KB on this particular call.

Weygand
10-01-2012, 05:06 PM
:15 seconds left and no time outs. If they came out for a pass play, you know Philly would be guarding the sidelines for a quick out. You would not have enough time to run up to the line and spike it, if the receiver does not get out of bounds. Maybe another shot at the end zone, maybe not. I'm sure just before the 2nd half started Tynes told TC what his range was in the direction they were heading and this was in his range. Otherwise TC would have handled it differently. While the first attempt was wide left, it had the distance. The second try was on target, but just fell short. The offensive pass interference penalty by Barden pushed the Giants back to just beyond his career long. Frustrating, I know. But I'm not second guessing TC or KB on this particular call.

The last sequence was pretty much set in stone in terms of what Coughlin could do. The OPI made the kick difficult and we came up short. If we'd won, I wouldn't be talking about it much either.....onto the next game.

EliDaMANning
10-01-2012, 05:07 PM
Problem with this play call is Tynes rarely attempts 50+ yard FG. He has been kicking nothing but chip shots and all of a sudden has to deal with this.

NYG4lifeNYK
10-01-2012, 05:08 PM
He's never had a strong leg lol

Weygand
10-01-2012, 05:09 PM
He's never had a strong leg lol

You are agreeing or mocking?

FUUFNF
10-01-2012, 05:25 PM
Which is a ****ty percentage for FGs.

64% is a hell of a lot better than the 20%-40% percent that was first quoted in this thread (by another poster), and almost 10% better than what you quoted... And keep in mind that there are some 60+ yard FGs sprinkled in there too... My point is that a 50+ FG is not as bad of an option when the game is on the line as some people would like to believe... Actually, it's pretty common to see 50+ game winners these days... Why do you think they changed the OT rules regarding opening drive FGs?

Fharcyde
10-01-2012, 05:32 PM
We had enough time to make a quick throw to the outside and gain a couple extra yards. Especially with the last few plays where Eli just aired the ball out. Obviously 54 yards is going to be a difficult kick to make.

NYG4lifeNYK
10-01-2012, 05:33 PM
You are agreeing or mocking?

He's never had a strong leg.

He is notorious for missing from 50+

Had we run it a few times or picked up 5 yards through the air he probably makes it.