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BParcells777
10-03-2012, 08:44 PM
The non-starters have a lot to prove and enthusiasim-

Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of veterans on our squad put it on automatic until our backs are against the wall late in the season

They do enough to keep their jobs but do not tend to dominate their opponents

Also Eli has made them a bit lazy........they know he is fully capable of dragging the team to a victory late in the game

Here are a list of people I would like to see on the field more-

Stevie Brown- so far he looks like the best Free Agent we have found since Cruz
Ojomo
Herzlich (as an Inside LBr and Outside LBer) rotating in.....maybe its time to move Kiwi back to DE
David Wilson (in the backfield or as a slot receiver)
Boothe (at center)
Bear Pascoe (he is money, and rarely drops a pass).....we can also use the two TE set
Jacquain Williams
Jayron Hosely
Andre Brown (as the feature back- Bradshaw as a relief pitcher)
Markus Kuhn (at DE/DT until Ojomo returns- Osi is embarassing)
Will Hill
Mitch Petrus at Guard- he could not do worse than what we have out there on running plays
Barden (he has performed well and made me a fan when he had the presense of mind to stop that INT)
I am no fan of Osi and Baas.........both are liabilities at this point. Baas cannot move the pile or snap the ball, Osi cannot stop the run or get to the QB

Some of these Vets need to sit and think aobut their futures. If they do not want to play at a high level each time the ball is snapped. I do not think Osi will be back next year and he seems to be determined to avoid over-exerting himself. As for Tuck he has made himself ordinary.

Also why not give Wilson a chance to return a couple of punts?

I am almost glad Philips is off the field and Rolle is not wowing me this year either.........in the long run all these DB injuries might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse.....we are morphing into a younger tougher Backfield......Stevie had 7 tackles against the Eagles- 2 in their backfield

joemorrisforprez
10-03-2012, 08:48 PM
This team is looking one-dimensional again.....very similar to the team that got swept by the Redskins last season.

Our running game has returned to its normal form.....lousy.

Our defense is ranked #22 in the league.

The gameplan is to throw deep with Manning, from the beginning of the game until the end.

The sooner the new guys get a chance, the better.

Giant stuck in Texas
10-03-2012, 09:01 PM
The non-starters have a lot to prove and enthusiasim-

Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of veterans on our squad put it on automatic until our backs are against the wall late in the season

They do enough to keep their jobs but do not tend to dominate their opponents

Also Eli has made them a bit lazy........they know he is fully capable of dragging the team to a victory late in the game

Here are a list of people I would like to see on the field more-

Stevie Brown- so far he looks like the best Free Agent we have found since Cruz
Ojomo
Herzlich (as an Inside LBr and Outside LBer) rotating in.....maybe its time to move Kiwi back to DE
David Wilson (in the backfield or as a slot receiver)
Boothe (at center)
Bear Pascoe (he is money, and rarely drops a pass).....we can also use the two TE set
Jacquain Williams
Jayron Hosely
Andre Brown (as the feature back- Bradshaw as a relief pitcher)
Markus Kuhn (at DE/DT until Ojomo returns- Osi is embarassing)
Will Hill
Mitch Petrus at Guard- he could not do worse than what we have out there on running plays
Barden (he has performed well and made me a fan when he had the presense of mind to stop that INT)
I am no fan of Osi and Baas.........both are liabilities at this point. Baas cannot move the pile or snap the ball, Osi cannot stop the run or get to the QB

Some of these Vets need to sit and think aobut their futures. If they do not want to play at a high level each time the ball is snapped. I do not think Osi will be back next year and he seems to be determined to avoid over-exerting himself. As for Tuck he has made himself ordinary.

Also why not give Wilson a chance to return a couple of punts?

I am almost glad Philips is off the field and Rolle is not wowing me this year either.........in the long run all these DB injuries might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse.....we are morphing into a younger tougher Backfield......Stevie had 7 tackles against the Eagles- 2 in their backfield

For some odd reason, I can't really argue with any of this. Except for maybe the whole Wilson in the slot bit.

Buddy333
10-03-2012, 09:14 PM
Not to say the defense has been great but ranking at this point are useless. The #4 offense in he league right now is KC and hey are 1-3 I believe.

DemandedAce
10-03-2012, 09:18 PM
Phillips is one of the top safeties in the league hands down, no questions asked. That's really the only issue I have with this though, vets getting complacent sometimes i dono what is going through Tucks head lately

BParcells777
10-03-2012, 09:22 PM
I don't know if Philips is all pro material but he has an MCL.......I really do not want him back anytime soon. Play the healthy

The biggest issue is Andre Brown..........Play the man

Dorothy
10-03-2012, 09:37 PM
This team is looking one-dimensional again.....very similar to the team that got swept by the Redskins last season.

Our running game has returned to its normal form.....lousy.

Our defense is ranked #22 in the league.

The gameplan is to throw deep with Manning, from the beginning of the game until the end.

The sooner the new guys get a chance, the better.
I think I may be right, but correct me if I'm wrong, we ended up winning the SUPERBOWL.

Captain Chaos
10-04-2012, 05:19 AM
I don't think it is a silver lining; however, you bring up a number of salient points. I think that Boothe would be a better Center than Baas, even though Boothe did have a couple of snap issues last year. I don't know if I trust Petrus, he came into camp in rough shape and looked terrible in the pre season. Wilson needs to master the running back position, screens from there should be his forte.

Rat_bastich
10-04-2012, 05:35 AM
Maybe the silver lining is that like last year, some of the players will start returning at the right time to help the momentum swing in the Giants' favor. We can all hope.

Toadofsteel
10-04-2012, 11:00 AM
I don't think it is a silver lining; however, you bring up a number of salient points. I think that Boothe would be a better Center than Baas, even though Boothe did have a couple of snap issues last year. I don't know if I trust Petrus, he came into camp in rough shape and looked terrible in the pre season. Wilson needs to master the running back position, screens from there should be his forte.

Boothe having snap issues is no longer a selling point for Baas if Baas is also having snap issues...

repeatchamps
10-04-2012, 12:34 PM
@RVacchianoNYDN C David Baas, G Chris Snee, LB Keith Rivers, CB Jayron Hosley, RT David Diehl, CB Michael Coe were all working.

Not practicing:
@RVacchianoNYDN
Not practicing today: WR Hakeem Nicks (knee), S Antrel Rolle (knee), CB Corey Webster (hand) ...

No mention of Phillips. I imagine he's not practicing either.

bigblue58
10-04-2012, 12:56 PM
The non-starters have a lot to prove and enthusiasim-

Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of veterans on our squad put it on automatic until our backs are against the wall late in the season

They do enough to keep their jobs but do not tend to dominate their opponents

Also Eli has made them a bit lazy........they know he is fully capable of dragging the team to a victory late in the game

Here are a list of people I would like to see on the field more-

Stevie Brown- so far he looks like the best Free Agent we have found since Cruz
Ojomo
Herzlich (as an Inside LBr and Outside LBer) rotating in.....maybe its time to move Kiwi back to DE
David Wilson (in the backfield or as a slot receiver)
Boothe (at center)
Bear Pascoe (he is money, and rarely drops a pass).....we can also use the two TE set
Jacquain Williams
Jayron Hosely
Andre Brown (as the feature back- Bradshaw as a relief pitcher)
Markus Kuhn (at DE/DT until Ojomo returns- Osi is embarassing)
Will Hill
Mitch Petrus at Guard- he could not do worse than what we have out there on running plays
Barden (he has performed well and made me a fan when he had the presense of mind to stop that INT)
I am no fan of Osi and Baas.........both are liabilities at this point. Baas cannot move the pile or snap the ball, Osi cannot stop the run or get to the QB

Some of these Vets need to sit and think aobut their futures. If they do not want to play at a high level each time the ball is snapped. I do not think Osi will be back next year and he seems to be determined to avoid over-exerting himself. As for Tuck he has made himself ordinary.

Also why not give Wilson a chance to return a couple of punts?

I am almost glad Philips is off the field and Rolle is not wowing me this year either.........in the long run all these DB injuries might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse.....we are morphing into a younger tougher Backfield......Stevie had 7 tackles against the Eagles- 2 in their backfield

It's not a silver lining at all because enthusiasm to "prove" something when they get their chance to play more often than not leads to a flag fest that cancels out any positives they may have contributed!
How many times have we had a big play on Offense or a big stop on D negated by some Backup committing a killer penalty? Too many!

burier
10-04-2012, 01:05 PM
The non-starters have a lot to prove and enthusiasim-

Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of veterans on our squad put it on automatic until our backs are against the wall late in the season

They do enough to keep their jobs but do not tend to dominate their opponents

Also Eli has made them a bit lazy........they know he is fully capable of dragging the team to a victory late in the game

Here are a list of people I would like to see on the field more-

Stevie Brown- so far he looks like the best Free Agent we have found since Cruz
Ojomo
Herzlich (as an Inside LBr and Outside LBer) rotating in.....maybe its time to move Kiwi back to DE
David Wilson (in the backfield or as a slot receiver)
Boothe (at center)
Bear Pascoe (he is money, and rarely drops a pass).....we can also use the two TE set
Jacquain Williams
Jayron Hosely
Andre Brown (as the feature back- Bradshaw as a relief pitcher)
Markus Kuhn (at DE/DT until Ojomo returns- Osi is embarassing)
Will Hill
Mitch Petrus at Guard- he could not do worse than what we have out there on running plays
Barden (he has performed well and made me a fan when he had the presense of mind to stop that INT)
I am no fan of Osi and Baas.........both are liabilities at this point. Baas cannot move the pile or snap the ball, Osi cannot stop the run or get to the QB

Some of these Vets need to sit and think aobut their futures. If they do not want to play at a high level each time the ball is snapped. I do not think Osi will be back next year and he seems to be determined to avoid over-exerting himself. As for Tuck he has made himself ordinary.

Also why not give Wilson a chance to return a couple of punts?

I am almost glad Philips is off the field and Rolle is not wowing me this year either.........in the long run all these DB injuries might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse.....we are morphing into a younger tougher Backfield......Stevie had 7 tackles against the Eagles- 2 in their backfield



I definately agree that its time to move Kiwi back to DE and play the SAM spot by comittee.

let Tuck and Osi rotate in during garbage time.

BParcells777
10-04-2012, 01:31 PM
Tuck only seems to be able to get up for the late season games anymore.......but I'd rather hve a mr october than a mr may

TuckandRolle
10-04-2012, 04:14 PM
Kuhn is S-L-O-W. Needs some speed training before he makes any difference doing ANYTHING in the pros. Mitch Petrus is an abomination, my grandpa could clog a hole on him.

UK-Giantsfan
10-05-2012, 01:01 PM
Jack ......as long as we dont end up 2-3 after the Cleveland game i sort of agree with you. ( If we are going to have a depleted team / key players recovering from minor injuries ...im glad it is week 5 not week 15 .....against some piece of AFC garbage

...and yes ....we might learn a few things on the way ....AS LONG AS IT ENDS IN A BLOODY W