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Fee-fi-fo-fum
10-05-2012, 09:32 AM
The Giants defensive approach - where they rely on the front-four to disrupt things - has been seemingly easily nullified with a quick-pass, west coast style. I have read where at least one player has stated that there is nothing they can do about it, but I see our opposition jumping quick slants or occupying those lanes against Eli frequently. What is preventing us from using our OLBs to take away the quick slant and forcing the QB to hold onto the ball longer?

Ruttiger711
10-05-2012, 10:00 AM
The Giants defensive approach - where they rely on the front-four to disrupt things - has been seemingly easily nullified with a quick-pass, west coast style. I have read where at least one player has stated that there is nothing they can do about it, but I see our opposition jumping quick slants or occupying those lanes against Eli frequently. What is preventing us from using our OLBs to take away the quick slant and forcing the QB to hold onto the ball longer?

I dont think there's anything preventing us from doing that, but I think it makes the D susceptable to the TE pass over the LB's.

Drez
10-05-2012, 10:29 AM
What Osi was talking about teams nullifying our rush is not only are teams using quick passes, but they are also, and this is what I think he was really talking about, doubling or chipping the ends. There really isn't much they can do against that scheme-wise. The only thing to do is try and beat the double.

Drez
10-05-2012, 10:32 AM
I dont think there's anything preventing us from doing that, but I think it makes the D susceptable to the TE pass over the LB's.
If you keep dropping the LBs into the slant lanes, you also soften the middle of your defense against the run.

And honestly, it isn't like we never take away slant lanes (save for the freaking Dallas game).

However, it is very difficult to defend against 3 step drops. The rush generally doesn't have time to get there. It really falls to the defenders to have nice, tight coverage.

Ruttiger711
10-05-2012, 10:33 AM
If you keep dropping the LBs into the slant lanes, you also soften the middle of your defense against the run.

And honestly, it isn't like we never take away slant lanes (save for the freaking Dallas game).

However, it is very difficult to defend against 3 step drops. The rush generally doesn't have time to get there. It really falls to the defenders to have nice, tight coverage.

absolutely - 3 step drop and playing off the receivers = marching downfield on the NYG at will.

Fee-fi-fo-fum
10-05-2012, 10:37 AM
What Osi was talking about teams nullifying our rush is not only are teams using quick passes, but they are also, and this is what I think he was really talking about, doubling or chipping the ends. There really isn't much they can do against that scheme-wise. The only thing to do is try and beat the double.

Then our push up the middle should be getting it done and/or a blitzer should come free. Set the weak-side OLB in the slant lane, wait 2 seconds, and bring him. I understand PF don't wanna blitz much, but ya got counter their counter. When an offense goes west-coast on us or starts doubling the ends, WE are calling the shots. We gotta keep the pressure on.

Fee-fi-fo-fum
10-05-2012, 10:42 AM
absolutely - 3 step drop and playing off the receivers = marching downfield on the NYG at will.

Yeah, this..

OX1
10-05-2012, 10:51 AM
Then our push up the middle should be getting it done and/or a blitzer should come free. Set the weak-side OLB in the slant lane, wait 2 seconds, and bring him. I understand PF don't wanna blitz much, but ya got counter their counter. When an offense goes west-coast on us or starts doubling the ends, WE are calling the shots. We gotta keep the pressure on.

Completely agree. They counter guys like Chase with this. Smart and great vs run, but not fast enough to make a play on a decent rec or TE getting a slant. So we should blitzing enough that we have chances of stopping this dink and dunk once in a while at least (every 5 plays and bring the house every 10-15, obivously depending upon situations). Beats letting teams run up and down the field all day, even if we get beat for a 20 yarder once in while (which we are anyway).

I'm a big fan of blitzing heavy while the other team in closer to their end zone. Why give them 5 free plays to get down near our endzone before we do anything a little more radical (if we do anything different at all). We have to taske chances. Might get burned big, but that is better to me than bleeding to death by small cuts.

Bottom line is we have to diguise and mix it up. For whatever reason, we don't have a complete enough D to play vanella anymore.

Rat_bastich
10-05-2012, 11:14 AM
The problem lies in the opposing receivers taking a short pass for a long gain. Sometimes no one seems to be in the area. If you can keep the middle flooded, players will still make their catches but will not get any gains. It also means that tackles have to be made and players have to get to the ball to prevent YAC. But as said before that sets us up to be ran on and Richardson isn't a slouch. Also, a long pass will kill the defense if they plan on a quick slant and it's a long bomb with the corner on an island and no over the top safety help.

OX1
10-05-2012, 12:02 PM
The problem lies in the opposing receivers taking a short pass for a long gain. Sometimes no one seems to be in the area. If you can keep the middle flooded, players will still make their catches but will not get any gains. It also means that tackles have to be made and players have to get to the ball to prevent YAC. But as said before that sets us up to be ran on and Richardson isn't a slouch. Also, a long pass will kill the defense if they plan on a quick slant and it's a long bomb with the corner on an island and no over the top safety help.

Mug the receivers for the whole 5 yards. Not a bump, rush them like you would on a line.
Take some penalties even if the alternative is going to be a 7 yard pass that is a 20 yard gain
anyway, over and over and over. I'd rather get killed playing fast and loose, than die slow playing
scared every week.

TrueBlue@NYC
10-05-2012, 12:27 PM
When teams chip our ends we need to have a LBer shoot that gap. The keys though is that the LBer needs to get to the QB before the RB/TE gets out on his route.

GameTime
10-05-2012, 12:35 PM
the quick slant is usually a successful play. It cab be defended by DBs gambling and jumping a route. If they guess right its all good. If not then look out.

Also the DL has to have their hhands up and clog lanes.

TrueBlue@NYC
10-05-2012, 12:49 PM
the quick slant is usually a successful play. It cab be defended by DBs gambling and jumping a route. If they guess right its all good. If not then look out.

Also the DL has to have their hhands up and clog lanes.

DBs' do not always have to gamble on a slant route. Slants beaten by winning at the line (jam) and not giving the WR the inside position. Then you take a leading position.

GameTime
10-05-2012, 12:59 PM
DBs' do not always have to gamble on a slant route. Slants beaten by winning at the line (jam) and not giving the WR the inside position. Then you take a leading position.

true.....there is morte than one way to defend it of course....

thomsoad
10-05-2012, 02:40 PM
The Giants defensive approach - where they rely on the front-four to disrupt things - has been seemingly easily nullified with a quick-pass, west coast style. I have read where at least one player has stated that there is nothing they can do about it, but I see our opposition jumping quick slants or occupying those lanes against Eli frequently. What is preventing us from using our OLBs to take away the quick slant and forcing the QB to hold onto the ball longer?

This really isnt anything new. Quick passes and screens negate a pass rush. Chipping is something new to me but appears just as effective as max protection. Thats how the Saints absolutely obliterates our D everytime we play them.
Fact is for every action...there is an equal reaction.
Dline just needs to hold on til our Chandelier Secondary can get healthy and on the field so we can throw in some blitz schemes.

giantsforce
10-05-2012, 03:52 PM
absolutely - 3 step drop and playing off the receivers = marching downfield on the NYG at will.Yeap and it easier done since we have corners that cannot even cover themselves with a blanket on a cold night let alone WR's. I do not know why teams bother calling run plays against the Giants. Just chuck it down deep and our corners are guaranteed to be out of position 99% of the time.