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badnews13
10-09-2012, 02:39 PM
JPP had 16.5 sacks before Osi came back last season. From the time Osi returned till the end of the season, JPP only had 1.5 sacks. In my opinion, put JPP back at the right side defensive end position and let him attack the Qb's blind side. This put JPP in the best possible position to attack the opponents QB. Osi is really not doing any thing at that position except let running backs run around him. Im an Osi fan but for all the stress over a new contract, he surely has not done any thing to earn it. JPP to right defensive end will cause some match up problem for offensive line men and allow the rest of the line to help get to the QB. What you think???

slipknottin
10-09-2012, 02:40 PM
JPP spent almost all of the game at RE.

EnragedYouth85
10-09-2012, 02:43 PM
Tuck always plays LE and JPP always plays RE, except for a few plays and when they Nascar...

GiantRoc
10-09-2012, 03:42 PM
I think what he is saying is that JPP is a better pass rusher from the right side. On second and long or 3rd downs, (more obvious passing downs), JPP goes to the left end and Osi comes in at the right side. That didn't happen when Osi was out. Thats when JPP got all his pressure. I agree. At this point in their careers, move Osi if you want to use him. JPP is more effective from the right side than Osi is.

slipknottin
10-09-2012, 03:43 PM
That only happens sometimes, JPP played plenty of pass rush snaps at RE too. Fact is, Joe Thomas beat the snot out of JPP all game.

GiantRoc
10-09-2012, 03:45 PM
That only happens sometimes, JPP played plenty of pass rush snaps at RE too. Fact is, Joe Thomas beat the snot out of JPP all game.

In this game, I'll give that to you. Thats an all-pro against a kid still learning the game. I would still give JPP the nod over Osi at this point.

jonnyhaze
10-09-2012, 03:50 PM
I don't even think it matters where they are aligned at this point. Osi and Tuck are just not winning their 1v1 battles enough if at all. JPP is doing all he can considering all the extra attention he is getting. I'm starting to wonder if Canty was even more valuable to the d-line than I thought. Also....where the hell is Marvin Austin? How does Kuhn get a start ahead of him?

thomsoad
10-09-2012, 03:51 PM
That only happens sometimes, JPP played plenty of pass rush snaps at RE too. Fact is, Joe Thomas beat the snot out of JPP all game.

If this was true i woulda been ok with it since Thomas is a 5 time Pro Bowler and probably the best in the business. But Clevelands rookie backup flattened him a couple times as well.
JPP is still doing well against the run and is still blocking passes. JPP just isnt getting to the QB.
I dont what this lines problem is.
Is the scheme...offenses adjusting...or they they got lazy and content in the offseason.
And say what you want about Osi and his technique...but you can see he is at least trying out there.
I dont know whats eating at Tuck...but concerned is a bit of an understatement as far as im concerned.
We may be at the point where Tuck may be assigned to backup or run DE only.

slipknottin
10-09-2012, 03:51 PM
Also....where the hell is Marvin Austin?

2 years removed from playing football, he is not a very good player right now.

jonnyhaze
10-09-2012, 03:59 PM
2 years removed from playing football, he is not a very good player right now.

Even still. Former 2nd round pick / 3rd year player gets passed on the depth chart by a rookie 7th rounder from germany.
Just unacceptable.

slipknottin
10-09-2012, 04:01 PM
Even still. Former 2nd round pick / 3rd year player gets passed on the depth chart by a rookie 7th rounder from germany.
Just unacceptable.

Unacceptable, maybe. Expected, yes. Its unrealistic to expect a DT who has been out of football for two years to be ready to start in just a couple weeks, especially when he missed most of preseason and training camp with injuries.

miked1958
10-09-2012, 04:04 PM
What about shaking things up and giving the the Kid that is chomping at the bit a shot. OJOMO

BlueSanta
10-09-2012, 04:15 PM
JPP is doing fine. He isnt getting sacks but that is because teams are using the 5th blocker to help vs him. If our other 3 guys on the dline cannot beat 1v1 matchups, and force teams to reconsider always doubling JPP, then we will continue to struggle.

Dont blame the guy who is getting double teamed all game, JPP is ALWAYS getting chipped. Blame the other guys who are then not taking advantage of the 1v1's

Hopefully, as our back end becomes more healthy over time(fingers crossed) we can then be secure enough in their coverage to allow us to blitz the 5th man more often, something we have done far fewer times this year than we id in the past.

slipknottin
10-09-2012, 04:18 PM
Other teams are chipping both ends all game. Its rare when they are single blocked.

Kase-1
10-09-2012, 04:21 PM
Just wait til we get Canty back, hopefully he'll be able to take care of the 1 on 1's that are available without chip blocks or extra blockers taking them on. So far Linval has been having another damned good season

GMan-67
10-09-2012, 04:27 PM
give the DEs a little credit for batting a lot of passes Sunday ... we're not getting a great push in the middle and we are facing a lot of 3 step drop quick passes, which is a way to negate outside pass rush

we need to win more 1 v 1s, but i do now believe that we need to make some tweaks as well

it will come together, it did last year ... now Osi is a legit question mark and Rolle is slowed by his knee, but we just gotta work thru it all ... nice to have an O that can hang 30 to 40 on opponents without even breaking a sweat though

and, yes, Canty should help esp. if Bernard's injury lingers on ... Rocky is more suited to be the backup and part of a 3 DT rotation anyway

JesseJames
10-09-2012, 05:58 PM
What about shaking things up and giving the the Kid that is chomping at the bit a shot. OJOMO
+1

bgblucru56
10-09-2012, 06:06 PM
the problem is our safeties and cb's. the pass rush needs time to get to the qb and with our safeties and db's, they dont have that time. qb's are throwing the ball all over them

Shockeystays08
10-09-2012, 06:33 PM
Even still. Former 2nd round pick / 3rd year player gets passed on the depth chart by a rookie 7th rounder from germany.
Just unacceptable.

Would it be ok if he was from Ireland?

Diamondring
10-09-2012, 06:44 PM
A healthy Canty needs to come back to add extra pressure. The opposition also throws the ball kind of early a lot so the dbs should be ready.

burier
10-09-2012, 06:51 PM
This has nothing to do with Canty. This has to do with Tuck and Osi stinking the joint up. They both should be benched. JPP got the first whooping of his career big deal...Tuck and Osi get whooped on a daily basis.

jomo
10-09-2012, 07:07 PM
JPP spent almost all of the game at RE.Yes he did where he proved to be an equal opportunity under performer. The entire DL has to kick it up not one but two full notches in intensity. (I might give Linval a pass)

badnews13
10-09-2012, 07:41 PM
Tuck always plays LE and JPP always plays RE, except for a few plays and when they Nascar... In this past Browns game but if you look at the previous games this season Osi has been on the right side. I like Osi and Im a big fan of Osi but as a defensive end, your primary job is out-side containment, then run, then sacks. For the past few weeks I watched running backs and QB's run right around Osi. I dont even think its the scheme that the problem with this defensive line. I believe its the attitude of this defensive line. Some say it our lack of inside pressure... Well QBs and running backs are running to the edge so the inside pressure doesnt make a difference. .

Diamondring
10-09-2012, 07:41 PM
This has nothing to do with Canty. This has to do with Tuck and Osi stinking the joint up. They both should be benched. JPP got the first whooping of his career big deal...Tuck and Osi get whooped on a daily basis.Tuck is a De and I bet he plays the middle wich is hard to get sacks at. A nice dt who can get pressure up the middle can help. With Canty on the field healthy can be a big threat and Tuck can come in untouched to get at the qb.

BillTheGreek
10-10-2012, 07:46 PM
"D" Just get the job done.............You Guys are PROS, you know what you have to do ! Just do me one favor Sack Smith a few times ! And keep an extra eye on VD, It's one VD you will want to catch ! GOOD LUCK G-Men ! See YOU Sunday !

crossouttheeyes
10-10-2012, 08:04 PM
Tuck and Osi are the problem. Tuck is actually the one playing like an out of shape ballerina who doesn't care about football at all. Osi is making it his mission to over pursue every play the offense runs. Rolle was right to call Tuck out last year, it actually got his *** in motion. He needs to do it again, because right now they're just two lumps of wasted whiney talent. JPP and Linval Joseph are playing out of their minds however. Once we get Canty back our tackle spot might actually be stronger than our DE.


This has nothing to do with Canty. This has to do with Tuck and Osi stinking the joint up. They both should be benched. JPP got the first whooping of his career big deal...Tuck and Osi get whooped on a daily basis.
Pretty much this. Joe Thomas is the best left tackle in the league. JPP wasn't on his game. Not a big deal. If we had Tuck and Osi going we still would've created a ton of pressure.

slipknottin
10-10-2012, 08:05 PM
The "great" JPP has a total of 2 sacks in his last 9 games...

Playing well or not, he needs to play better.

jaxnygmen
10-10-2012, 08:22 PM
Or line them up on the same side and Tuck and Kiwi on the other side and attack!!! Constantly move them around. Another issue is that the DT's are not getting a good push!!!

crossouttheeyes
10-10-2012, 08:26 PM
Or line them up on the same side and Tuck and Kiwi on the other side and attack!!! Constantly move them around. Another issue is that the DT's are not getting a good push!!!
That's not the issue at all. Linval Joseph is a beast and has been getting tremendous push all year. Bernard was getting good push also. I'd say DT is more of a strength than a weakness. Once Canty is back the other team's pocket will start collapsing a whole lot.

chuckedafter5yards
10-10-2012, 08:36 PM
I'm waiting for Adrian Tracy to fill the role that Tolleson filled- he looked great on Kickoff coverages. Pretty quick at DE at end of the game last week. The Defensive line needs to be a little less predictable- tweaking a few pieces might really help. We know these guys have the talent.