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GreenZone
10-11-2012, 02:49 AM
With a 4.8 yard per carry average, the G-Men have the sixth ranked rushing average, a stark contrast vs. last year's abysmal performance.

In the 2011 regular season, the team was dead last in average per carry with 3.5 yards per game for the first 16 games.

The meaning?

1) It enhances the ability for Eli to buy time to throw
2) The offensive line is jelling well, a big surprise, though maybe more so with David Diehl being forced out of the lineup.

The Brandon Jacobs-less 49ers are currently tops in the NFL with a 6.1 rushing average. It's also a big improvement over last year's season.

joemorrisforprez
10-11-2012, 02:56 AM
Next week is going to be a huge test.

giantsfan420
10-11-2012, 03:00 AM
lets not get ahead of ourselves. in our 2 losses, we couldnt run the ball consistently for jack. i want to see the OL continue its level of play and not regress s better defenses

GiantRoc
10-11-2012, 03:01 AM
It's definitely a good start. I'll be happier when we run with more consistency. We had a couple big run games that skewed the numbers a bit. It would be great if we can maintain this improvement. It's a hopeful sign for sure though.

GreenZone
10-11-2012, 03:11 AM
It's definitely a good start. I'll be happier when we run with more consistency. We had a couple big run games that skewed the numbers a bit. It would be great if we can maintain this improvement. It's a hopeful sign for sure though.

It's also a huge factor heading into SF this year. The 49ers cannot count on simply launching on Eli like they did in the NFC Championship game. Now, they have to respect the Giants' rushing game.

Similarly, however, with the abysmal tackling of the Giants' front four, and the 49ers great success running the ball, they will have a similar advantage over the Giants when on offense.

Hopefully, Brandon Jacobs will be back to motivate the Giant defense and bring down the 49er average.

giantsfan420
10-11-2012, 04:00 AM
sf is top 3 in every d category including rush defense...we gotta pass to setup the run

BMW
10-11-2012, 05:39 AM
Look at the teams they have played, their defensive numbers don't mean crap. Not saying their defense is not great but those numbers are bs.

Buddy333
10-11-2012, 06:24 AM
Those numbers where inflated last week due to one great game. Lets see how they do this week.

GMan-67
10-11-2012, 07:21 AM
yeah that was strange last season ... glad we are getting back to where we belong ... altho this could be a tough week to run

egyptian420
10-11-2012, 08:39 AM
sf is top 3 in every d category including rush defense...we gotta pass to setup the runLooks like that's been our only working strategy for the past 2 seasons....whenever we try to run to set up the pass, neither work. We get stuffed on the first two runs, then are forced into a typical 3rd and 11 and get an incompletion.

I love when Eli starts the game with a deep play action pass and just keeps passing non stop for 3 more plays. That always opens up the run.

nycisgreat
10-11-2012, 09:07 AM
Next week is going to be a huge test.

If we can pull off a decent run game against the 9ers this weekend, I will be convinced that the run game is back. If that is the case, this team will be even more dangerous.

Toadofsteel
10-11-2012, 09:17 AM
Looks like that's been our only working strategy for the past 2 seasons....whenever we try to run to set up the pass, neither work. We get stuffed on the first two runs, then are forced into a typical 3rd and 11 and get an incompletion.

I love when Eli starts the game with a deep play action pass and just keeps passing non stop for 3 more plays. That always opens up the run.

SHHHHH.... that's heresy to Killdrive.

GreenZone
10-11-2012, 11:14 AM
Actually, we're 7th in the NFC and 12th in the NFL



If you re-read the original post, the stat quoted is the 6th in the NFL in average gain per carry, not total yards gained.

See it here at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/stats/team) (Just choose complete list of team rushing leaders, then sort by average yards per carry).

To me, that is the significant rushing stat because it better measures the success of the running game--the thing that happens in between Eli's passes--and which sets up the passing game.

The Giants would be higher in rush offense if the passing game wasn't so successful, so that there would be more rushing attempts in the course of a game.

For those who say the stats are skewed, for example because of the long TD run by David Wilson, all teams have long runs that expand the stats. Some teams have weaker schedules than others that also skew the stats.

TheAnalyst
10-11-2012, 11:19 AM
haha, I love early year rankings... so meaningless. We had one unreal strong game, 2 average games, and 2 bad games rushing the ball.

Also, Rushes per carry can be scued as well. For example, David Wilson hasnt had many touches and looked bad in all but one so far that he took 40 yards to the house. That exaggerates his YPC.

RoanokeFan
10-11-2012, 11:43 AM
If you re-read the original post, the stat quoted is the 6th in the NFL in average gain per carry, not total yards gained.

See it here at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/stats/team) (Just choose complete list of team rushing leaders, then sort by average yards per carry).

To me, that is the significant rushing stat because it better measures the success of the running game--the thing that happens in between Eli's passes--and which sets up the passing game.

The Giants would be higher in rush offense if the passing game wasn't so successful, so that there would be more rushing attempts in the course of a game.

For those who say the stats are skewed, for example because of the long TD run by David Wilson, all teams have long runs that expand the stats. Some teams have weaker schedules than others that also skew the stats.

I didn't say anything was skewed. I just provided facts to add to the discussion.

GreenZone
10-11-2012, 11:46 AM
haha, I love early year rankings... so meaningless. We had one unreal strong game, 2 average games, and 2 bad games rushing the ball.

Also, Rushes per carry can be scued as well. For example, David Wilson hasnt had many touches and looked bad in all but one so far that he took 40 yards to the house. That exaggerates his YPC.

I love how people discredit statistics by citing one long run. If you exclude the Wilson 40 yard TD run, the Giants have a 4.48 yard per carry average, instead of 4.8 yards. Do you know where they would rank then? It would have put them in 7th place instead of 6th.

If you or anyone else don't think there's any meaning to being 6th this year right now vs. last place during last year's regular season, then you don't watch much football or have blinders on. It's obvious that holes are forming and even 3rd or 4th and short yardage plays are getting converted on the ground this year for the first time since before Brandon Jacobs was a Giant.

There's no question here the offensive line is creating holes which it hasn't done in a lot of previous years' regular season games.

GreenZone
10-11-2012, 11:54 AM
I didn't say anything was skewed. I just provided facts to add to the discussion.

My point about your post is that it left the implication that the stat I had cited for this post was wrong, in your saying "Actually...the Giants are...12th in the NFL...", not that you were one of those implying the skewing of statistics. The word "actually" gives a clear indication of "mistaken."

RoanokeFan
10-11-2012, 12:25 PM
My point about your post is that it left the implication that the stat I had cited for this post was wrong, in your saying "Actually...the Giants are...12th in the NFL...", not that you were one of those implying the skewing of statistics. The word "actually" gives a clear indication of "mistaken."

Not to me,. but OK. Deleted the stats

GreenZone
10-11-2012, 02:09 PM
Not to me,. but OK. Deleted the stats

No need to delete, as they are legit, it was a little astray of my original point, though ;)

BigBlue wins
10-11-2012, 02:11 PM
Those numbers where inflated last week due to one great game. Lets see how they do this week.

I agree completely and you beat me to saying it.

BeatYale
10-11-2012, 02:29 PM
With a 4.8 yard per carry average, the G-Men have the sixth ranked rushing average, a stark contrast vs. last year's abysmal performance.

In the 2011 regular season, the team was dead last in average per carry with 3.5 yards per game for the first 16 games.

The meaning?

1) It enhances the ability for Eli to buy time to throw
2) The offensive line is jelling well, a big surprise, though maybe more so with David Diehl being forced out of the lineup.

The Brandon Jacobs-less 49ers are currently tops in the NFL with a 6.1 rushing average. It's also a big improvement over last year's season.

Anyone who's actually watched the games knows this stat is inflated from our 2 big wins.

GreenZone
10-12-2012, 11:53 AM
Anyone who's actually watched the games knows this stat is inflated from our 2 big wins.

Anyone who didn't watch the competitors' games wouldn't know that many of their yards were obtained during less meaningful situations and against weak opponents. Do you want to discount the 49ers stats too against the Jets? How about every other team?

GreenZone
10-16-2012, 12:42 AM
After week 6, and against arguably the NFL's best defense Sunday, the Giants rushed for 149 yards and now rank ... guess where... still 6th in average yards per carry, down a tad to 4.6 yards per game.

Additionally, the team now ranks 9th overall in total yards rushed from scrimmage.

During last week, most of the threads were poo pooing the stat, claiming much of the yardage was gained during garbage time. The truth is that much is gained in the 4th quarter when the defense is worn down and when time is being churned off the clock.

BTW, you ever wonder how you wait all week anticipating the game, then want to see your team eat up the clock to get the game over with?

giantsfan420
10-16-2012, 01:08 AM
i am loving the running game. beatty has been solid at LT continuing to progress since last yr. that detached retina set him back some time but u can see he is an excellent LT and i've always maintained that. Lockler was an excellent FA signing that many slept on. I figured he would beat out DD for the RT spot.

the OL is gelling. But the reason I think we saw the OL we saw yesterdya, and it sounds crazy, but 2 words: DAVID DIEHL

he was excellent as that swing/te tackle. and he allowed us to outSF SF by lining up 1v1 and punching em in the mouth. DD is gonna be hungry and prob play much better in this role, so i think he'll be ok with being the 6th man.

And of course, the whole Eli factor of getting us into plays...setting up protection...i even believe he helps out in assessing run blocking info. i never heard a QB single out each LB, and we ran it for the TD....

if this run game is here to stay, with Eli...we're unstoppable literally. and it will help the D out...i said we'd beat SF by more than 1 possession and that the DL would show up and force Smith into 2 picks (he threw 3) and that the win would propel us on like a 10 game win streak...and now with the way the schedule is shaping up with teams and their injuries...i believe it is extremely possible

Parademon
10-16-2012, 01:14 AM
If we can finish the season ranked in the top 5-6 in rushing, we will go extremely deep in the SB tournament! Scary to think we were 28th in rushing last yr & won it all. We are running the ball better than we have in over 2yrs. The O-line has not allowed a sack for 3 straight games & only 4 for the yr so far & 3 came in the opener vs Dallas! I agree that if we keep playing the rest of the yr like we did vs SF, we can easily reel off a good long winning streak!

Captain Chaos
10-16-2012, 06:07 AM
The redskins have a pretty good run D, ranked second only giving up 88 yds per game; however, their passing D is the worst in the league...anyone think Eli and company might have a big day?????

b_ELI_eve
10-16-2012, 11:03 AM
The redskins have a pretty good run D, ranked second only giving up 88 yds per game; however, their passing D is the worst in the league...anyone think Eli and company might have a big day?????

I think Bradshaw puts up another 100 yard game because the Redskins will try to stop the passing attack.