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Cool Papa B.
10-12-2012, 11:53 AM
"Smith is a beast on the inside, he’s strong, he does as good a job of grabbing a hold of offensive linemen and allowing those twists to take place. He never gets called for it so he gets away with murder. That, in conjunction with the ability level they have, makes them as formidable as anybody we go against, and we go against some pretty good ones in Dallas’ and Philadelphia’s. They’re as good as anybody up front."

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/OC-Kevin-Gilbride---1011/f3dac016-139c-4a2e-a5ce-7699275eafd0

I don't watch enough 49er games to know, but how true is this? Anyone have videos of this?

I'll be watching for it on Sunday.

nhpgiantsfan
10-12-2012, 12:14 PM
Eh, every O lineman out there tries to get away with whatever he can. No big news there... I'd be more concerned if KG said he was a dirty player...

timmytimm3
10-12-2012, 12:16 PM
I wish our stunts and twists got through more often...

krygny
10-12-2012, 12:19 PM
Gamesmanship.

Cool Papa B.
10-12-2012, 04:45 PM
Jim Harbaugh: "It’s obvious Giants coaching staff’s sole purpose is to use their high visibility to criticize & influence officiating.”

"WHOA! Jim Harbaugh calls Kevin Gilbride's comments on JSmith an "outrageous, irrational statement .. an absurd analogy"

https://twitter.com/RapSheet

I wonder if Harbuagh will give Gilbride a hard slap in the back after the game. LOL

Cool Papa B.
10-12-2012, 04:46 PM
Jim Harbaugh: "It’s obvious Giants coaching staff’s sole purpose is to use their high visibility to criticize & influence officiating.”

"WHOA! Jim Harbaugh calls Kevin Gilbride's comments on JSmith an "outrageous, irrational statement .. an absurd analogy"

https://twitter.com/RapSheet

I wonder if Harbuagh will give Gilbride a hard slap in the back after the game. LOL

Toadofsteel
10-12-2012, 04:50 PM
Jim Harbaugh: "It’s obvious Giants coaching staff’s sole purpose is to use their high visibility to criticize & influence officiating.”

"WHOA! Jim Harbaugh calls Kevin Gilbride's comments on JSmith an "outrageous, irrational statement .. an absurd analogy"

https://twitter.com/RapSheet

I wonder if Harbuagh will give Gilbride a hard slap in the back after the game. LOL

KG kills drives, not coaches...

Marvin49
10-12-2012, 04:51 PM
Well, Harbaugh is always good for a quote...LOL.

GMan-67
10-12-2012, 04:51 PM
i love it and so very true ... now i dont expect the officials to give us any calls Sunday on the road, but worth a shot

Keith "Hammer" Hamilton used to get called for defensive holding .... he's the only lineman they really picked on for that ... but it is highly illegal

but even funnier was Harbaugh's statement ... either Harbaugh actually has a sense of humor or he is just a real jackwagon

and, remember, the 49ers started this with announcing a fake finger injury, etc. and more !

SackingMyths
10-12-2012, 04:53 PM
Let's hope Harbaugh doesn't try to pull a Buddy Ryan...

stormblue
10-12-2012, 04:53 PM
hey killdrive.....just shut up and coach.

PBTimmons
10-12-2012, 04:56 PM
This is a good move by Gilbride, but Harbaugh is absolutely right about this being a plea to the officials. Bad move by Jim because he just made this story even more visible by acknowledging it.

Cat's out of the bag now. Justin Smith will have eyes on him all game.

Cool Papa B.
10-12-2012, 04:56 PM
KG kills drives, not coaches...

I wonder if Harbaugh goes Buddy Ryan and takes a swing at KG. Remember KG, stand at an angle, block punches with your left arm and punch with your right LOL.

BParcells777
10-12-2012, 04:57 PM
I'd like to see Perry say something about how our D Line has been held all season long.........Kiwi said he has not been held so much since he was an infant LOL

TheEnigma
10-12-2012, 04:58 PM
Even though this is a bit "tattle taleing" for my personal tastes, Gilbride is a genius for pointing this out whether it's true or not. I just hope the game doesn't come down to a call on Justin Smith or we won't hear the end of it lol.

BParcells777
10-12-2012, 04:58 PM
what about the Eagles game when Tuck was tackled from behind as he closed in on VICK???

Cool Papa B.
10-12-2012, 04:59 PM
i love it and so very true ... now i dont expect the officials to give us any calls Sunday on the road, but worth a shot

Keith "Hammer" Hamilton used to get called for defensive holding .... he's the only lineman they really picked on for that ... but it is highly illegal

but even funnier was Harbaugh's statement ... either Harbaugh actually has a sense of humor or he is just a real jackwagon

and, remember, the 49ers started this with announcing a fake finger injury, etc. and more !

Good point about the fake finger injury. Coaches do this all the time. BUT I wonder how true it is. I haven't seen enough 49er games to know, but I'm sure the coaching staff has seen enough film to notice it.

BParcells777
10-12-2012, 05:07 PM
I thought Coughlin forbade Asst Coaches talking to the media but one day per season????

Tom your slippin, but its all good

Marvin49
10-12-2012, 05:38 PM
i love it and so very true ... now i dont expect the officials to give us any calls Sunday on the road, but worth a shot

Keith "Hammer" Hamilton used to get called for defensive holding .... he's the only lineman they really picked on for that ... but it is highly illegal

but even funnier was Harbaugh's statement ... either Harbaugh actually has a sense of humor or he is just a real jackwagon

and, remember, the 49ers started this with announcing a fake finger injury, etc. and more !

Finger injury was real. he came out of the game because of it.

BParcells777
10-12-2012, 05:40 PM
My fingers hurt from all this typing....should I give it a rest?

drewz
10-12-2012, 05:42 PM
Wow.. Harbough just went off the mental cliff saying Gilbride's comments weren't true when they are..

Marvin49
10-12-2012, 05:46 PM
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman
Justin Smith is the last guy who needs motivation. So he mockingly said of Gilbride's quote: "I'll have to put it above my locker"

Yeah..THATS the guy you want to motivate.

Marvin49
10-12-2012, 05:47 PM
My fingers hurt from all this typing....should I give it a rest?

...I don't think your fingers are the problem....

Marvin49
10-12-2012, 05:49 PM
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman
49ers Justin Smith on Giants' Kevin Gilbride's allegations of dirty play: "It doesn’t bother me. I’ll have to look him up and see who it is”

CowboysSuck
10-12-2012, 06:37 PM
Eh, every O lineman out there tries to get away with whatever he can. No big news there... I'd be more concerned if KG said he was a dirty player...

You know Justin Smith plays on the D-Line, right?

RoanokeFan
10-12-2012, 07:00 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...ith-outrageous (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8495880/jim-harbaugh-calls-kevin-gilbride-comments-justin-smith-outrageous)

Excerpt: "In a statement released by the team Friday, Harbaugh said, "Kevin Gilbride's outrageous, irrational statement regarding Justin Smith's play is, first, an absurd analogy.

"Second, it is an incendiary comment targeting one of the truly exemplary players in this league. It's obvious that the Giants coaching staff's sole purpose is to use their high visibility to both criticize and influence officiating."

Gilbride made his original comment Thursday after he was asked about why San Francisco's front seven is so tough.

"Ability. That's it. They have great players," Gilbride said. "They're tremendous, they're tough. They have great speed on the outside, (Justin) Smith is a beast on the inside -- he's strong, he does as good a job (as anybody) of grabbing a hold of offensive linemen and allowing those twists to take place. He never gets called for it, so he gets away with murder." Read more...

Toadofsteel
10-12-2012, 07:01 PM
I guess if Harbaugh wants to discredit Gilbride's complimenting of the 49ers linebackers, that's his prerogative

RoanokeFan
10-12-2012, 07:03 PM
I guess if Harbaugh wants to discredit Gilbride's complimenting of the 49ers linebackers, that's his prerogative

Is this the same Harbaugh who has had issues with the end of game handshake

Laurah1275
10-12-2012, 07:04 PM
I guess if Harbaugh wants to discredit Gilbride's complimenting of the 49ers linebackers, that's his prerogativeOMG, that avatar.....I'm gonna have nightmares tonight...lol...:)

Moke
10-12-2012, 07:05 PM
Harbaugh is so ****ing annoying.

bigblue2088
10-12-2012, 07:08 PM
I feel like Harbaugh is a good player's coach but seems like an *ss on the outside

jomo
10-12-2012, 07:10 PM
Hey Jim,

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMWZVOVcoXGEw5v7rXWjXI9-1Ib6yluOIQ5mge9QNaDY4AsO2qsQ

Giantz4Life
10-12-2012, 07:11 PM
Harbaugh is so ****ing annoying.

+1

And that really stupid thing he does with Alex Smith before each game is so lame.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/alex-smith-jim-harbaugh.jpg

"Okay son, now go out there and manage that game!"

"You got it, Dad".

RoanokeFan
10-12-2012, 07:13 PM
Hey Jim,

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMWZVOVcoXGEw5v7rXWjXI9-1Ib6yluOIQ5mge9QNaDY4AsO2qsQ

LOL

Rudyy
10-12-2012, 07:15 PM
Hey Jim,

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMWZVOVcoXGEw5v7rXWjXI9-1Ib6yluOIQ5mge9QNaDY4AsO2qsQ

http://www.sportsagentblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/jim-harbaugh.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/JackNicholsonMar10.jpg/220px-JackNicholsonMar10.jpg

Giantz4Life
10-12-2012, 07:16 PM
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman
49ers Justin Smith on Giants' Kevin Gilbride's allegations of dirty play: "It doesn’t bother me. I’ll have to look him up and see who it is”

Yeah Justin, look him up and see him and his two Super Bowl rings.

Daytona Giant
10-12-2012, 07:29 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/49ers-coach-rips-comments-giants-212051517--nfl.html The 49er coach rips comment by Giants assistant

DVision
10-12-2012, 07:30 PM
Graziano at ESPN went and found this nice piece that backs up Gilbrides statement written Sept 6

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2012/film-room-packers-niners

BeatYale
10-12-2012, 07:35 PM
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman
Justin Smith is the last guy who needs motivation. So he mockingly said of Gilbride's quote: "I'll have to put it above my locker"

Yeah..THATS the guy you want to motivate.

It's always funny to hear people talk about bulletin board material to motivate players who are getting paid millions to play the game.

Evo'Ed
10-12-2012, 07:41 PM
Way to go KG; excite a player whose task is to sack our most valuble player in Eli.

Since when has KG been so outspoken since being here?

egyptian420
10-12-2012, 07:43 PM
+1

And that really stupid thing he does with Alex Smith before each game is so lame.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/alex-smith-jim-harbaugh.jpg

"Okay son, now go out there and manage that game!"

"You got it, Dad".that s### is the lamest thing I've ever seen. This is a grown man's game, not your 10 year old son's little league game... I bet Alex Smith gets embarrassed by that thing, or at least I hope so, I know I would.

Can you imagine if Coughlin pampered Eli like that, that would be beyond embarrassing and pathetic.

BeatYale
10-12-2012, 07:53 PM
Way to go KG; excite a player whose task is to sack our most valuble player in Eli.

Since when has KG been so outspoken since being here?

They are all already excited to get a rematch against us. Players and coaches fabricate enough stuff about opposing teams to motivate themselves. I doubt these quotes fuel the fire much.

Ruttiger711
10-12-2012, 08:07 PM
"Incendiary" - ooooook Jimmy

I think the Giants' coaches know he's easy to get riled up.

CALI49ER
10-12-2012, 08:11 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...ith-outrageous (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8495880/jim-harbaugh-calls-kevin-gilbride-comments-justin-smith-outrageous)

Excerpt: "In a statement released by the team Friday, Harbaugh said, "Kevin Gilbride's outrageous, irrational statement regarding Justin Smith's play is, first, an absurd analogy.

"Second, it is an incendiary comment targeting one of the truly exemplary players in this league. It's obvious that the Giants coaching staff's sole purpose is to use their high visibility to both criticize and influence officiating."

Gilbride made his original comment Thursday after he was asked about why San Francisco's front seven is so tough.

"Ability. That's it. They have great players," Gilbride said. "They're tremendous, they're tough. They have great speed on the outside, (Justin) Smith is a beast on the inside -- he's strong, he does as good a job (as anybody) of grabbing a hold of offensive linemen and allowing those twists to take place. He never gets called for it, so he gets away with murder." Read more...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPK3cDl7Ftw&feature=player_embedded

CALI49ER
10-12-2012, 08:13 PM
"Smith is a beast on the inside, he’s strong, he does as good a job of grabbing a hold of offensive linemen and allowing those twists to take place. He never gets called for it so he gets away with murder. That, in conjunction with the ability level they have, makes them as formidable as anybody we go against, and we go against some pretty good ones in Dallas’ and Philadelphia’s. They’re as good as anybody up front."

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/OC-Kevin-Gilbride---1011/f3dac016-139c-4a2e-a5ce-7699275eafd0

I don't watch enough 49er games to know, but how true is this? Anyone have videos of this?

I'll be watching for it on Sunday.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPK3cDl7Ftw&feature=player_embedded

Cool Papa B.
10-12-2012, 08:38 PM
Graziano at ESPN went and found this nice piece that backs up Gilbrides statement written Sept 6

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2012/film-room-packers-niners

Thanks. Does any video exist of him getting away with a hold? He probably does it once in a while.

BParcells777
10-12-2012, 08:43 PM
Gotta admit that is hillarious........I want to see this goofballs face at the end of our total demolition of his Elite Warriors LOL

Toadofsteel
10-12-2012, 08:46 PM
"Incendiary" - ooooook Jimmy

I think the Giants' coaches know he's easy to get riled up.

Exactly... Anything with even a tiny bit of heat is incendiary in that powder keg...

Toadofsteel
10-12-2012, 08:47 PM
OMG, that avatar.....I'm gonna have nightmares tonight...lol...:)

I'm thinking about mixing in a little more Exorcist to make it less offensive to young eyes...

NYGabriel
10-12-2012, 08:58 PM
Gotta admit that is hillarious........I want to see this goofballs face at then end of our total demolition of his Elite Warriors LOL

http://cjzero.com/gifs/HarbaughRage.gif

GameTime
10-12-2012, 09:06 PM
ehhh....what do want to Harbaugh to say. I have no issues with it at all.....

moosedrool
10-12-2012, 10:48 PM
KG kills drives, not coaches...

Yea, he killed those drives in the last two super bowls we won.

BMW
10-12-2012, 11:04 PM
I wish our stunts and twists got through more often...

Yep only the giants get called for crap like that, nothing new.

CowboysSuck
10-12-2012, 11:08 PM
okeeeyyyyy jimmy

relax a bit harbaugh dont hurt yourself

giantsfan420
10-12-2012, 11:25 PM
did anyone else think JH overreacted? KG was complimentary, and if you hear the interview in which this whole thing was started over, KG doesnt come off as trying to complain or have his mssg passed on to the refs. JH with that response shows me the guy isnt as smart and secure as he tries to come off as.
KG basically mentioned and complimented Smith in 5 seconds, JHs reaction makes it seem like KG wrote a tell all novel outing JH as transgender lol, yeah it was sooo "incendiary" JH and KG was def using his status to critique the refs...the whole JH response is comical to me, and it kinda shows me JH may be worried about facing us or he's still upset about the NFC CG or both...

when i first read what JH said, I wasnt sure if it was really JH or if it was just a fan doing an impression of a snotty stuck up hypocrite (JH) well. like i didnt even think JH actually made those remarks bc of how over the top and incendiary JH's comments came across as ironically.

Cool Papa B.
10-12-2012, 11:39 PM
did anyone else think JH overreacted? KG was complimentary, and if you hear the interview in which this whole thing was started over, KG doesnt come off as trying to complain or have his mssg passed on to the refs. JH with that response shows me the guy isnt as smart and secure as he tries to come off as.
KG basically mentioned and complimented Smith in 5 seconds, JHs reaction makes it seem like KG wrote a tell all novel outing JH as transgender lol, yeah it was sooo "incendiary" JH and KG was def using his status to critique the refs...the whole JH response is comical to me, and it kinda shows me JH may be worried about facing us or he's still upset about the NFC CG or both...

when i first read what JH said, I wasnt sure if it was really JH or if it was just a fan doing an impression of a snotty stuck up hypocrite (JH) well. like i didnt even think JH actually made those remarks bc of how over the top and incendiary JH's comments came across as ironically.

It feels like someone else wrote that statement and he just put his name on it. Harbaugh is over sensitive and wound up way to tight. You can tell he hates the media mainly because he doesn't know how to deal with them.

Gilbride might be much smarter than he looks.. He might have said this to get underneath Harbaugh's skin and may
Be throw him off a little bit.

idiotekniQues
10-13-2012, 12:43 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/44284/evidence-supports-gilbride-vs-harbaugh

"So this whole thing started Thursday, when New York Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride casually dropped into his weekly interview session the suggestion that San Francisco 49ers star defensive lineman Justin Smith "gets away with murder" by holding interior offensive linemen as a means of clearing room for the 49ers' pass rush.


Smith
49ers coach Jim Harbaugh responded Friday with a blistering attack on Gilbride and Gilbride's insinuation, calling it "outrageous, irrational and incendiary," and saying, "It's obvious that the Giants coaching staff's sole purpose is to use their high visibility to both criticize and influence officiating."

Glad we're not getting too emotional about this, huh? I mean, really? "Sole purpose?"

Especially once I learned that Harbaugh's response came in the form of a statement released by the team hours ahead of his regularly scheduled Friday news conference, my first thought was something along the lines of, "Methinks he doth protest too much." And a few minutes later, with the help of a retweet from USA Today's Mike Garafolo, I saw something that backed me up. It is this Sept. 6 piece from Football Outsiders, in which Item No. 3 uses clear film evidence to support FO's own conclusion that Smith is indeed coached to hold the jerseys of opposing guards and tackles:
San Francisco’s secret? Holding. They have a pair of top-tier defensive ends in Justin Smith, arguably the best 3-4 lineman in the league right now, and Ray McDonald, one of the game’s most underrated players. Those guys are taught to grab the left outside of the offensive guard’s jersey or the right inside of the tackle’s jersey. The umpire and referee, who are tasked with holding on the interior line, often can’t see this -- there is too much congestion in the middle of that action. They are standing in the backfield, and can’t see through the offensive linemen to get a look at the defensive end’s hands. The grabbing prevents the blockers from getting over quickly enough to pick up the stunting blitzer.

The camera doesn't lie, coach Harbaugh. And it seems as though it might have been wiser for the 49ers' coach to keep his mouth shut rather than inflame a controversy of which the officials scheduled to work Sunday's game at Candlestick might not otherwise have been aware. If it was Gilbride's intention to get the officials to pay closer attention to Smith's extracurricular work on the interior (and I actually think he might just have been offering an honest answer to a question), then Harbaugh's overly emotional response might have helped him accomplish just that."

BlueBlooded1979
10-13-2012, 12:49 AM
Jim Harbaugh is a an arrogant goon. His teammates couldn't stand his short fuse when he played in the NFL and doesn't look like much has changed. I doubt he read the whole quote since he looks for a reason to be a prick and jumps all over it. He was the first to complain about the replacement officials in the preseason.
The funny thing is that a lot of football analyst have come to KGs back and agree with him. I imagine the refs would look a little closer now. Had JH took the high road it would have been forgotten in minutes.

giantsfan420
10-13-2012, 12:51 AM
haha classic. what kind of "gate" name can we make...PretentiousBullSpit Gate? Holding Gate?

giantsfan420
10-13-2012, 12:53 AM
and speaking of "criticizing the refs from a highly visible position", didnt JH whine and cry non stop about the forward progress non fumble in the NFC CG? oh ok, i forgot, he's just a hypocrite

or even funnier he said the refs wouldnt let him call TO on that 3rd n short they had late where they completed their 1 pass to the WR short of a first down...guy *****es bout refs wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more than TC or KG ever do

Rudyy
10-13-2012, 12:53 AM
Harbaugh-Gate, Smith-Gate, Gilbride-Gate

ashleymarie
10-13-2012, 01:18 AM
LOL. NinerGate, StickGate, BayGate. :)

BMW
10-13-2012, 01:18 AM
Not shocking that this joke of a team all of a sudden became good.

Cool Papa B.
10-13-2012, 01:21 AM
You busted JH!!!!!

BeatYale
10-13-2012, 01:22 AM
Haha. I hope that article goes viral.

rainierjef
10-13-2012, 02:11 AM
Not shocking that this joke of a team all of a sudden became good.

This is kind of a ridiculous statement. Yes they are caught red-handed, but to say this one thing is the cause of their success is foolish.
Question is, now that they know, will the refs act upon it.

BMW
10-13-2012, 02:30 AM
Cheating makes their defense the way they are, how can that be ridiculous. If we got away with what they get away with, we would win every game.

rainierjef
10-13-2012, 02:44 AM
Cheating makes their defense the way they are, how can that be ridiculous. If we got away with what they get away with, we would win every game.

defense is not the only facet of football. They are a good team.

Rat_bastich
10-13-2012, 02:54 AM
Everyone does it and everyone has their tactics of getting away with what would be clear penalties. In fact lets look back to last year at the "injury" incident when our defense was starting to get gassed.

Linemen on both side of the ball latch on to the opposing lineman often. It all depends on if the ref sees the offense or even wants to call it.

Giantz4Life
10-13-2012, 03:04 AM
Cheating makes their defense the way they are, how can that be ridiculous. If we got away with what they get away with, we would win every game.

I disagree. I think they are a good defense regardless. A lot of illegal plays never get seen by the refs, and I don't think we should discredit their team for this simple observation. Yeah it may happen, but that's football.

There is little doubt in my mind that this is one of the best teams/defenses we will face all year.

miked1958
10-13-2012, 03:30 AM
Well, Harbaugh is always good for a quote...LOL.yea like his dumb saying before games:


"WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THEN US?"


"NOOOOO BODY"

giantsfan420
10-13-2012, 03:50 AM
its similar to the pick play on offense that most teams run, where a wr runs into a defender covering another player. the league caught up with that eventually as I suspect they will with all teams whose DL utilize this tactic. If SF is doing it, I'm positive other teams r as well.
and u really do have to start wondering if their D wont be as strong if the refs start flagging D holding.

Die-Hard
10-13-2012, 06:56 AM
None of this stuff takes away the fact that they have a very good defense, and it will undoubtedly be one of the biggest challenges the Giants face all season

BillTheGreek
10-13-2012, 07:36 AM
None of this stuff takes away the fact that they have a very good defense, and it will undoubtedly be one of the biggest challenges the Giants face all season

You know what you do with a good Defense ? You beat them with GOOD Touch Downs !

Go NYGiants

nhpgiantsfan
10-13-2012, 08:36 AM
This stuff goes on in the trenches in every game. It's nothing new. Players on the line use whatever they can get away with to get an advantage. It goes on everywhere. This is a huge non-story. Shut up and play the game. Is amazing how much hype this game is getting. They are making it out like 1990 when we were both 10-0 or something like that.

RoanokeFan
10-13-2012, 08:38 AM
Not shocking that this joke of a team all of a sudden became good.

What does that mean?

Toadofsteel
10-13-2012, 08:41 AM
Harbaugh-Gate, Smith-Gate, Gilbride-Gate

How about GoldenGate?

GameTime
10-13-2012, 08:46 AM
I am sure that technique is taught to very Dlineman. You actually think the NIners "invented" this??
Come on guys......get real. Happens all the time all in prob every level of football.

I call it....Reallygate? Obviousgate.....Bull****gate......Ridiculousgate.. .....

SweetZombieJesus
10-13-2012, 08:52 AM
haha classic. what kind of "gate" name can we make...PretentiousBullSpit Gate? Holding Gate?

Too easy, Golden Gate or GoldenGateGate

Captain Chaos
10-13-2012, 08:55 AM
This is kind of a ridiculous statement. Yes they are caught red-handed, but to say this one thing is the cause of their success is foolish.
Question is, now that they know, will the refs act upon it.

How could this possibly be foolish in a game of inches? I would rethink your argument. In regards to Gilbride, I would like to give him the credit for trying to bring this issue up for the Refs to look at but he's really not that outspoken of a guy (he got punched in the face by the head coach one day). I think he was just providing an honest assessment. But if he did than what an outstanding move, the Niner's and refs and the Camera men will be on notice. Should be fun to watch!

Rudyy
10-13-2012, 08:57 AM
How about GoldenGate? Eh..

Captain Chaos
10-13-2012, 09:08 AM
You really have to love it! Gilbride must have struck a nerve!

Redeyejedi
10-13-2012, 09:24 AM
Im surprised they didnt point out how we run picks with are WR's

Sundown
10-13-2012, 09:28 AM
Hell why don't we do it? Don't get mad, get even and let's see if Harbaugh complains about it.

keyofgmen
10-13-2012, 09:47 AM
Harbaugh-Gate, Smith-Gate, Gilbride-Gate

Grab-gate

CowboysSuck
10-13-2012, 09:59 AM
how about the water gate scandal II.

Ok seriously, I've read through this thread and im not quite sure what to think. Does holding definitely help DL maneuver around the OL...yes. Did Harbuagh go way out of his way to defend himself...yes. On the other hand, unless this happens on a key 3rd down or during a big play, it shouldnt be something that we cant overcome. If they are holding, we should hold back. Let the refs decide whos responsible.

**** san fran such *****s

giantsfan420
10-13-2012, 10:03 AM
Too easy, Golden Gate or GoldenGateGate

HoldingGate kinda plays on that lol still cant believe JH's press release

BParcells777
10-13-2012, 10:13 AM
his team to a miracle turnaround

Harbaugh is so upset about it because according to ESPN investigation of film, Gilbride is absolutly correct.

Take away the illegal holding and the 49rs become a very very ordinary D Line

GameTime
10-13-2012, 10:19 AM
oh stop....
you really think the Niners D are the only ones to do this....

please....

EnragedYouth85
10-13-2012, 10:20 AM
They are just the first to get caught.. same thing with the Saints and their bounty.. not the first to do it, the first to get caught..

GameTime
10-13-2012, 10:21 AM
I am sure that technique is taught to very Dlineman. You actually think the NIners "invented" this??
Come on guys......get real. Happens all the time all in prob every level of football.

I call it....Reallygate? Obviousgate.....Bull****gate......Ridiculousgate.. .....

BParcells777
10-13-2012, 10:23 AM
now that that has been exposed they will no longer be such run stopping supermen..........we will destroy these guys

rtahsin
10-13-2012, 10:33 AM
STOP! Nobody post on this thread; don't take the bait. If you ignore him, the thread will wither away and die.

Diamondring
10-13-2012, 10:40 AM
STOP! Nobody post on this thread; don't take the bait. If you ignore him, the thread will wither away and die.What he did wrong?

UFGiant
10-13-2012, 10:45 AM
I'm sorry guys but I'm really shocked none of you have mentioned the defensive holding call on Hamilton during Armstead's INT in SB XXXV. It's the exact same thing the 49ers are now doing. The only difference is the defensive holding call was one of those highlighted calls the refs were told to look out for throughout that season.

GameTime
10-13-2012, 10:49 AM
I'm sorry guys but I'm really shocked none of you have mentioned the defensive holding call on Hamilton during Armstead's INT in SB XXXV. It's the exact same thing the 49ers are now doing. The only difference is the defensive holding call was one of those highlighted calls the refs were told to look out for throughout that season.
Hamilton hooked the RB right?? He didnt hold an olinemen IIRC.......

Ruttiger711
10-13-2012, 10:52 AM
They are just the first to get caught.. same thing with the Saints and their bounty.. not the first to do it, the first to get caught..

Comparing this to bountygate or any other "gate" for that matter is a bit extreme. However the way Harbaugh is reacting to it is only going to get more of the press attention that he despises so much.

I mean what an overreaction- like a kid throwing a tantrum when they get caught with a hand in the cookie jar.

GMan-67
10-13-2012, 10:55 AM
Holden Gate

FIFTY6G-MAN
10-13-2012, 10:55 AM
STOP! Nobody post on this thread; don't take the bait. If you ignore him, the thread will wither away and die.Maybe if we ignore you and your 10 posts, you will go away.

BigBlue wins
10-13-2012, 10:56 AM
/redfont So are you saying OP, that the Vikings put butter on their jersies so they couldn't be held?

joemorrisforprez
10-13-2012, 11:09 AM
Gilbride was very smart to bring it up. I'm sure the Fox announcers will be more than happy to run a bit with this "controversy". That should include some camera work to see if they can back up Gilbride's claim. I'm sure that's why Harbaugh is so pissed off......he knows that the cameras are going to be looking for evidence.

JB456
10-13-2012, 11:10 AM
STOP! Nobody post on this thread; don't take the bait. If you ignore him, the thread will wither away and die.

For those who can't figure out what Gilbride is doing, let me explain it to you: He is completely mind fin the 49rs. Even if the refs don't take notice, the Niners players themselves might hesitate on certain plays.

In short, Gilbride is playing chess, your playing checkers. I don't have a large post count either but why don't you put some logic or reasoning behind your statements and people might actually think about or care what you say...

joemorrisforprez
10-13-2012, 11:13 AM
Haha......I'm watching NFL Network, and they are running with the story.

Mission accomplished, Gilbride!

Diamondring
10-13-2012, 11:26 AM
You know what? I don't know. The reason why is cause did any of the players the 49ers played against complained about it? If not, then there is a big chance that the 49ers are not holding or not doing it that much.

drewz
10-13-2012, 11:32 AM
Pro Football Focus ‏@PFF (https://twitter.com/PFF) Gilbride isn't wrong about Justin Smith holding late last year. Aldon killed teams when Justin held OL on those twists down the stretch

EnragedYouth85
10-13-2012, 11:33 AM
I feel he said something, just to get into the players head. Make them think twice about doing something wrong, and giving the offense the edge..

bigblue58
10-13-2012, 11:33 AM
Gilbride's comments were perfectly reasonable as opposed to Harbaugh who just sounded unbalanced! Harbaugh would be easier to believe as a hard nosed old school football guy if it wasn't so obvious that he's trying to do a poor man's impression of Mike Ditka!

bigblue58
10-13-2012, 11:40 AM
"Smith is a beast on the inside, he’s strong, he does as good a job of grabbing a hold of offensive linemen and allowing those twists to take place. He never gets called for it so he gets away with murder. That, in conjunction with the ability level they have, makes them as formidable as anybody we go against, and we go against some pretty good ones in Dallas’ and Philadelphia’s. They’re as good as anybody up front."

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/OC-Kevin-Gilbride---1011/f3dac016-139c-4a2e-a5ce-7699275eafd0

I don't watch enough 49er games to know, but how true is this? Anyone have videos of this?

I'll be watching for it on Sunday.


Harbaugh doth protest too much if you ask me!

ShakeandBake
10-13-2012, 11:42 AM
Hell why don't we do it? Don't get mad, get even and let's see if Harbaugh complains about it.

I'm sure we do do it, it is just a matter of how frequent it is done, and apparently the 9ers do it a lot. Harbaugh can blame himself for letting this get as big as it has, if he would have shut his mouth chances are Gilbride's "complaint" would have faded into oblivion.

BeatYale
10-13-2012, 11:49 AM
For those saying this type of technique is 'business as usual' for the NFL, then why would KG bother pointing it out? Clearly, from watching the 49ers film, he feels they abuse it. He's been in the league for a long time, he's watched a lot of film, I'd trust his judgement over the opinions of fans who aren't involved in the NFL in any way.

Cool Papa B.
10-13-2012, 11:54 AM
Harbaugh doth protest too much if you ask me!

Well, all it did was bring more attention to Justin SMith and his DLine.

It's funny. I have a little nephew that I just love to death. And anytime he does something that he's not suppose to, he just starts talking more and more. Trying to explain his way out hoping his words would make me forget what he did. This kind of reminds me of JH's statement. Using these words that he generally doesn't use to fire back at Gilbride.

If I were to meet Gilbride one day and it was just the 2 of us I would ask him hey Kevin, you said all that to get under the 49ers skin didn't you?

I don't know if this will give the Giants any type of edge, but at the very least it puts a microscope on the 49ers defense.

Rudyy
10-13-2012, 12:20 PM
Grab-gate I like, I like..

jomo
10-13-2012, 12:23 PM
Gilbride is not the type of guy to make things up. I am a little surprised that he went public. I am sure that it was pre-meditated with TC to get the officials eyes trained in the right direction. Either way I don't expect it to have any impact on the game itself. It did illustrate Harbaugh once again for what he is .......... a classless idiot.....distracting from the truth by launching a counter attack.

bg79
10-13-2012, 12:36 PM
I normally wouldnt care much about this but I just cannot stand Harbaugh and his dbaggery. Maybe I need to see a behind the scenes documentary on him or something to give some sort of positive light on his attitude but every time I see or hear from him it's always in a really negative way. The rod up his butt has a rod up it's butt.

njersey
10-13-2012, 12:37 PM
oh stop....
you really think the Niners D are the only ones to do this....

please....

D-Line holding is a selfless, team-oriented act. Not all players can do this. Many just play for their own glory. I'm not defending it, just looking at it from a different perspective.

RoanokeFan
10-13-2012, 12:37 PM
Gilbride is not the type of guy to make things up. I am a little surprised that he went public. I am sure that it was pre-meditated with TC to get the officials eyes trained in the right direction. Either way I don't expect it to have any impact on the game itself. It did illustrate Harbaugh once again for what he is .......... a classless idiot.....distracting from the truth by launching a counter attack.

+! It's really become an issue in every game about the non-calls we see increasing.

giants_rock
10-13-2012, 12:51 PM
I remember back in the 90's before a cowboys game our coach at the time (I believe it was Reeves) complained about Michael Irvin pushing off all the time. What ended up happening in the game was out receivers got called for pushing off a couple times and Irvin didn't get flagged at all. Hopefully Gilbride's comment won't backfire like Reeves did!

tikiandphil
10-13-2012, 12:53 PM
Gamesmanship.

I agree, just a way to stir a Ref's mind before and during the game. While entertaining it is not like what *****baugh did with the replacement Ref's when he purposely CHEATED by calling time outs that he knew he didn't have.
I am concerned about a win here but I feel as though we match up with talent. I do not want anyone hurt and my wish is that no matter what the end score is, we play without fear and give them the game of their lives.

giantsfan420
10-13-2012, 01:03 PM
i still can't believe how JH responded. He acted like KG just robbed a bank high on PCP and then running over people driving the getaway car. I still dunno if JHrealizes that KG was actually paying Smith and the 9ers a big compliment. The focal point of what KG wasnt the defensive holding, it was how much of a beast J.Smith is and the extreme talent level of that D and how its as good as any we've faced....it especially annoys me how JH tries making it a "Giants coaches criticizing the officials"...like the guy is just a pompous, pretentious, hypocritical d-bag most of the time.

GiantRoc
10-13-2012, 01:20 PM
Do umpiers still have the option to play behind the backers? Or are they all in the backfield? I'm a little embarassed I haven't really noticed this year.

joemorrisforprez
10-13-2012, 01:30 PM
i still can't believe how JH responded. He acted like KG just robbed a bank high on PCP and then running over people driving the getaway car. I still dunno if JHrealizes that KG was actually paying Smith and the 9ers a big compliment. The focal point of what KG wasnt the defensive holding, it was how much of a beast J.Smith is and the extreme talent level of that D and how its as good as any we've faced....it especially annoys me how JH tries making it a "Giants coaches criticizing the officials"...like the guy is just a pompous, pretentious, hypocritical d-bag most of the time.

Harbaugh is upset because:

1) It's the truth
2) It is now a story
3) Stories get exposure

ny06
10-13-2012, 01:46 PM
When I heard this story the first thing I thought was "brilliant move by Gilbride" Now Justin Smith will have to think twice about holding offensive lineman during the game. This was nothing more then a tactical move by Gilbride. And I love it...

joemorrisforprez
10-13-2012, 01:49 PM
When I heard this story the first thing I thought was "brilliant move by Gilbride" Now Justin Smith will have to think twice about holding offensive lineman during the game. This was nothing more then a tactical move by Gilbride. And I love it...

I agree 100%

SackingMyths
10-13-2012, 01:52 PM
When I heard this story the first thing I thought was "brilliant move by Gilbride" Now Justin Smith will have to think twice about holding offensive lineman during the game. This was nothing more then a tactical move by Gilbride. And I love it...

Agree...very Phil Jackson-esque of KG. Great mustaches think alike

BMW
10-13-2012, 02:27 PM
Refs hate ny teams, nothing we can do about it. Even umpires give yankees pitchers a smaller strike zone always, screw them all.

YOUNG2RICW
10-13-2012, 03:45 PM
He should focus on teaching his two blockers how to disengage one guy and cover the stunt.

If Justin Smith is holding two of the Giant's lineman, you need new lineman.

rainierjef
10-13-2012, 06:08 PM
How could this possibly be foolish in a game of inches? I would rethink your argument. In regards to Gilbride, I would like to give him the credit for trying to bring this issue up for the Refs to look at but he's really not that outspoken of a guy (he got punched in the face by the head coach one day). I think he was just providing an honest assessment. But if he did than what an outstanding move, the Niner's and refs and the Camera men will be on notice. Should be fun to watch!

know what you're arguing.

the person i responded to said "Not shocking that this joke of a team all of a sudden became good."

So if he is indeed getting away with holding, then the offense is improved because of it as well, the entire defense is improved as well. I guess smith's holding impact favorably their special teams and coaching too. the OP to my response was just tacking on excuses as to why the 9ers are a good team and I corrected it.

nycisgreat
10-13-2012, 06:31 PM
I am not saying this because I'm a homer. But I can't remember the last time a player on the Giants pulling a Flozel Adams. The G-Men typically play a really classy game. I can't lie, and I know it's bad. But I sometimes I wish the our team would dish out the same punish. I know it's not right, but when I see things not called, during games. I get up.

rtahsin
10-13-2012, 07:42 PM
I really don't understand all this uproar. Every team does something illegal in the trenches when an official isn't looking. They're doing whatever they can to win. The Giants are no better. If the injury faking incident didn't occur in the Rams game last year then we probably wouldn't be celebrating a fourth Super Bowl. I would like to think we're classy enough to not pull those moves but no one is ideal and I'm sure some of the G-men's linemen do some holding themselves. But I would like to point out that the Giants do things like this very very little so I guess frequency matters. And like how ny06 pointed out: this is mental warfare right now. They're trying to get into each other's head. Well played Gilbride, well played.

rtahsin
10-13-2012, 07:51 PM
Maybe if we ignore you and your 10 posts, you will go away.Pardon me. I posted on the wrong thread; I thought I posted on BParcell777's new thread; my mistake. But I would like to ask that how does the number of posts one have any relevance to the matter here. Apparently if one has a small number of posts he/she supposedly knows little or nothing about football. I see this a lot and wonder where this bias comes from.

Rat_bastich
10-13-2012, 08:08 PM
Pardon me. I posted on the wrong thread; I thought I posted on BParcell777's new thread; my mistake. But I would like to ask that how does the number of posts one have any relevance to the matter here. Apparently if one has a small number of posts he/she supposedly knows little or nothing about football. I see this a lot and wonder where this bias comes from.

I know, I've tried to use post count arguments against my wife...still doesn't work.

Cool Papa B.
10-14-2012, 11:05 PM
Proof that Gilbride knew exactly what he was doing:

GILBRIDE: HARBAUGH STATEMENT WAS "SHOCKER"
Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride admitted that he was “shocked” by Niners coach Jim Harbaugh’s statement on Friday. Harbaugh, responding to Gilbride’s criticisms of 49ers defensive tackle Justin Smith, had called Gilbride “irrational” and “outrageous” that afternoon.

Gilbride said he did not speak to Harbaugh Sunday, but he was surprised that his suggestion that Smith “gets away with murder” by routinely committing defensive holding drew such ire from Harbaugh.

“I have great respect for their front, and I have unbelievable respect for the guy (Smith), tremendous,” Gilbride said. “But it (defensive holding) is something he does. He reaches out and grabs people.”
He added that he was surprised by Harbaugh’s rip because he had also complimented Smith on Thursday.

“I thought it was just in a litany of compliments . . . all of a sudden, he (Harbaugh) turned it into a negative thing . . . It was great. All of a sudden, now everybody in the country saw it. It worked well."

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/10/bradshaw-says-rushing-for-100-wasnt-hard

LOL Gilbride.....you're something else. LOL.....

JJC7301
10-14-2012, 11:15 PM
"Smith is a beast on the inside, he’s strong, he does as good a job of grabbing a hold of offensive linemen and allowing those twists to take place. He never gets called for it so he gets away with murder. That, in conjunction with the ability level they have, makes them as formidable as anybody we go against, and we go against some pretty good ones in Dallas’ and Philadelphia’s. They’re as good as anybody up front."

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/OC-Kevin-Gilbride---1011/f3dac016-139c-4a2e-a5ce-7699275eafd0

I don't watch enough 49er games to know, but how true is this? Anyone have videos of this?

I'll be watching for it on Sunday.
They actually did show an example of it during the game. I was surprised that they went there. They showed him, and said, that he was holding 2 o-lineman while one of his teammates rushes through the line. Fox analysts said that they loved to do it and do it all of the time.

Cool Papa B.
10-14-2012, 11:25 PM
They actually did show an example of it during the game. I was surprised that they went there. They showed him, and said, that he was holding 2 o-lineman while one of his teammates rushes through the line. Fox analysts said that they loved to do it and do it all of the time.

I know. I saw it. I had a feeling earlier in the week that Gilbride said those things mainly to play a mind game with Harbaugh's and to put the focus on him and their DLine. And with what Gilbride just said, I wuss right

giantsfan420
10-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Proof that Gilbride knew exactly what he was doing:

GILBRIDE: HARBAUGH STATEMENT WAS "SHOCKER"
Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride admitted that he was “shocked” by Niners coach Jim Harbaugh’s statement on Friday. Harbaugh, responding to Gilbride’s criticisms of 49ers defensive tackle Justin Smith, had called Gilbride “irrational” and “outrageous” that afternoon.

Gilbride said he did not speak to Harbaugh Sunday, but he was surprised that his suggestion that Smith “gets away with murder” by routinely committing defensive holding drew such ire from Harbaugh.

“I have great respect for their front, and I have unbelievable respect for the guy (Smith), tremendous,” Gilbride said. “But it (defensive holding) is something he does. He reaches out and grabs people.”
He added that he was surprised by Harbaugh’s rip because he had also complimented Smith on Thursday.

“I thought it was just in a litany of compliments . . . all of a sudden, he (Harbaugh) turned it into a negative thing . . . It was great. All of a sudden, now everybody in the country saw it. It worked well."

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/10/bradshaw-says-rushing-for-100-wasnt-hard

LOL Gilbride.....you're something else. LOL.....

ya know, i had a theory that i didnt really wanna share bc it was bold and even tho i predicted we'd win by a few possessions and Smith would have 2 ints, I wasnt ready to go out on the ledge by making my theory public. now that we've won, and seeing how SF played, I'm sure now that it wasnt a theory, it was reality. and that is;

I believe Harbaugh was worried SF was gonna lose this game. He must have seen something during practice or had a feeling or respected elis game, something. bc i think that JH made that comment not to dig at KG, but to fire up his team/Defense. KG DID compliment Smith and that 9er d. The whole "he holds" thing was so minor in context to what KG said. And JH is smart enough to know that. Thats what made his lil diatribe confusing, why would he say what he did even if KG was being disrespectful, which he wasnt. he was trying to fire up his DL maybe, trying to fire up J.Smith bc I know SF has had issues rushing the passer...

JJC7301
10-14-2012, 11:48 PM
They actually did show an example of it during the game. I was surprised that they went there. They showed him, and said, that he was holding 2 o-lineman while one of his teammates rushes through the line. Fox analysts said that they loved to do it and do it all of the time.

HA! TOO FUNNY! I didn't realize that Gilbride said "All of a sudden, now everybody in the country saw it. It worked well." I always loved Gilbride, and love him even more for this lovely chess move of his.