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rtr1105
10-13-2012, 04:35 PM
I love the guy. He was a big part of our Super Bowl run last year, but last week it seemed like he missed a lot of tackles. He's never been stellar against the run but still. At least he made up for it with the big INT though.

Buddy333
10-13-2012, 04:39 PM
He's smart and knows where to be, but his lack of speed makes me worried some times. Even knowing where todo might not help him at times because of the lack o speed to get there. Then again. Maybe knowing where to be gives him that extra step some times o get where he needs to be.

penguinfarmer
10-13-2012, 04:54 PM
Can't say I'm worried as I never was overly concerned with him back there. With that said, I would love to replace him with a more talented player, but that can be said for every position currently on staff. I'm just grateful to have him whether it be a starter or backup as finding a replacement isn't exactly like shopping in the FA bin.

appodictic
10-13-2012, 05:10 PM
He's smart and knows where to be, but his lack of speed makes me worried some times. Even knowing where todo might not help him at times because of the lack o speed to get there. Then again. Maybe knowing where to be gives him that extra step some times o get where he needs to be.

Fail! Do not just buy into the rhetoric that white people are "non-athletic" and they "play smart" Chase's 40 time is the same as Boley's, and pretty close to kiwi's.

jakegibbs
10-13-2012, 05:27 PM
I love the guy. He was a big part of our Super Bowl run last year, but last week it seemed like he missed a lot of tackles. He's never been stellar against the run but still. At least he made up for it with the big INT though.

Man this is getting on my nerves a little. What has he do or not done to deserve all the critisism? I'll tell you NOTHING he's played solid this year & made some big plays where if you look at all the other LB's Boley the exception he's outplayed them all IMHO anyway so back off & let him play folks.

Mlerman17
10-13-2012, 05:32 PM
Fail! Do not just buy into the rhetoric that white people are "non-athletic" and they "play smart" Chase's 40 time is the same as Boley's, and pretty close to kiwi's.The difference is that chase moves slower side to side, lacks acceleration, and gets eaten up by blockers way too often.. I would rather let herzlich get his feet wet then play someone who has no upside and no future. Just remember our run d against Philly in the second game last year.. We actually handled McCoy for the most part. I miss goff even swing as how he actually played good run d and didn't have to play 3rd downs since we have a plethora of nickel linebackers.

joemorrisforprez
10-13-2012, 05:51 PM
He's a solid, smart player.

But he's not a difference-maker in my opinion.....I don't think offensive coordinators are game-planning to "take away Blackburn".

I'm still a big Blackburn fan, but I recognize his limits.

Buddy333
10-13-2012, 05:51 PM
Fail! Do not just buy into the rhetoric that white people are "non-athletic" and they "play smart" Chase's 40 time is the same as Boley's, and pretty close to kiwi's.I don't care what color he is or what he ran the 40 in, he does not move as fast as either of those players.

Captain Chaos
10-13-2012, 05:58 PM
Getting worried, I have been worried. He's smart and works hard just thing he is a little too slow!

PRGiant
10-13-2012, 06:25 PM
He has heart but he sucks...Hopefully Rivers or the young guys can step up soon. They didn't cut him coming out of camp last year for nothing.

Harooni
10-13-2012, 06:33 PM
I think fans need to realize that Blackburn would not be a starter on most teams, a great guy a solid player and awesome attitude and a lot of heart. So just accept that he isnt a stud at his position but he is a great worker.

zimonami
10-13-2012, 06:38 PM
He has heart but he sucks...Hopefully Rivers or the young guys can step up soon. They didn't cut him coming out of camp last year for nothing.
How did that work out??

B&RWarrior
10-13-2012, 06:49 PM
Chase historically has been a slow of foot, hard working guy with great instincts and GREAT TACKLING ability. If he keeps missing tackles he will give Herzlich a chance to prove himself. Rivers, Kiwi, Boley, nor J Will are good fits for the MLB position. They are all better flowing sideline to sideline using thier athletic ability to make plays. We'll be drafting a MLB next year.

LB core is the second level of defense. Our problems versus the run stem from the first level- poor DL run defense.

nycisgreat
10-13-2012, 06:52 PM
Fail! Do not just buy into the rhetoric that white people are "non-athletic" and they "play smart" Chase's 40 time is the same as Boley's, and pretty close to kiwi's.

I am still trying to figure out why people singling out Chance and Osi on defense. The entire defense isn't playing well right now. I think people should be more concerned with out defense tackles. Those guys couldn't stop a leak on a runny faucet.

B&RWarrior
10-13-2012, 07:09 PM
I am still trying to figure out why people singling out Chance and Osi on defense. The entire defense isn't playing well right now. I think people should be more concerned with out defense tackles. Those guys couldn't stop a leak on a runny faucet.

DT has been the weak spot on the Dline for a while and I don't think Canty is the answer to our problems.

jakegibbs
10-13-2012, 07:10 PM
I am still trying to figure out why people singling out Chance and Osi on defense. The entire defense isn't playing well right now. I think people should be more concerned with out defense tackles. Those guys couldn't stop a leak on a runny faucet.

+1 Right on. There defensive problems will not be fixed by 1 middle line backer period.

embeshAtYa
10-13-2012, 07:48 PM
he does suck man. lol . how can ya not get someone in there. wish jon goff was still in the mix at least.

FIFTY6G-MAN
10-13-2012, 07:57 PM
He has heart but he sucks...Hopefully Rivers or the young guys can step up soon. They didn't cut him coming out of camp last year for nothing.SUCKS???? Are you being serious?? The guy has made some awesome plays this year. And on that play where he had to chase down a wide reciever, he was only like 2 steps behind him after that long run, not to shabby for a big LB'er.

Tmurda1984
10-13-2012, 07:59 PM
I just got done watching a Replay of the Conference Championship last year against the Niners and Blackburn was flawless. He covered Vernon Davis several times very well and even caused a coverage sack because he was playing wonderful trail techinque coverage while Rolle was over the top. Blackburn is not the main problem at all on this team, We have a group of Defensive Tackles who are on roller skates out there, everyone says that Marvin Austin has high potential and I dont see it at all. When Blackburn plays trail techinque the safties are confused on who has over the top coverage. Many times these things happen, and Blackburn was not the main culprit. Trent Richardson is a tough guy to bring down and he's sooo low to the ground, Blackburn struggled tackling him but so do most linebackers in one on one situations. This unit as a whole needs to gang tackle and I do not see that at all. Sometimes I watch Tuck stop a running back in a backfield and not have any1 come help and clean up the tackle. Its almost sickening that any1 would blame Blackburn. Get over it Rivers was a bust who is living off his USC accolades like most of these overrated USC stars like Carson Palmer and Reggie Bush, and Taylor Mays.

giantsfan420
10-13-2012, 08:58 PM
for those callin him slow, watch him on the pressure that leads to the int that weeden threw...i had to make sure 4x bc i couldnt believe it was chase movin so quick.

we could be doing a lot worse at MLB is my take on it. if we needed our MLB to make game breaking plays, we'd be screwed. but we have playmakers else where on the d

bigblue2088
10-13-2012, 09:09 PM
He's actually been playing not too bad this year. The touchdown he allowed last game isn't on him. You expect a linebacker to run 60 yards with a fast receiver?

appodictic
10-13-2012, 09:44 PM
I don't care what color he is or what he ran the 40 in, he does not move as fast as either of those players.

Your right. Thanks for driving your opinion home with some tangible proof.

appodictic
10-13-2012, 09:58 PM
I just got done watching a Replay of the Conference Championship last year against the Niners and Blackburn was flawless. He covered Vernon Davis several times very well and even caused a coverage sack because he was playing wonderful trail techinque coverage while Rolle was over the top. Blackburn is not the main problem at all on this team, We have a group of Defensive Tackles who are on roller skates out there, everyone says that Marvin Austin has high potential and I dont see it at all. When Blackburn plays trail techinque the safties are confused on who has over the top coverage. Many times these things happen, and Blackburn was not the main culprit. Trent Richardson is a tough guy to bring down and he's sooo low to the ground, Blackburn struggled tackling him but so do most linebackers in one on one situations. This unit as a whole needs to gang tackle and I do not see that at all. Sometimes I watch Tuck stop a running back in a backfield and not have any1 come help and clean up the tackle. Its almost sickening that any1 would blame Blackburn. Get over it Rivers was a bust who is living off his USC accolades like most of these overrated USC stars like Carson Palmer and Reggie Bush, and Taylor Mays.

Good point. It is a appropriate that a guy named Chase has great train technique. I notice this quite often that Chase often manages to get himself between tight ends and quarterbacks. He knows how to sit in a zone and get a pick. He is not the strongest guy but he is usually a good enough tackler. Everyone that was set out to replace him failed maybe they were "bigger" or "faster" but it just turned out they were not better. Move on.org

SLUNK(three)AM
10-13-2012, 10:06 PM
He's a solid, smart player.

But he's not a difference-maker in my opinion.....I don't think offensive coordinators are game-planning to "take away Blackburn".

I'm still a big Blackburn fan, but I recognize his limits.

I'm sorry I totally disagree with this. If Chase Blackburn is anything - he's a difference-maker. He always seems to show up big - as evidenced by crucial defensive plays made by him during last year's Super Bowl playoff run. He's even had some success this year. I think Chase is a good player and I love that he is a Giant.

Off. Coordinators may not be planning to take away Blackburn but he's one of those guys that come up big in big moments and fly under the radar - which I feel is so important to our team and its chemistry on the field.

G4L
10-13-2012, 10:21 PM
I'm sorry I totally disagree with this. If Chase Blackburn is anything - he's a difference-maker. He always seems to show up big - as evidenced by crucial defensive plays made by him during last year's Super Bowl playoff run. He's even had some success this year. I think Chase is a good player and I love that he is a Giant.

Off. Coordinators may not be planning to take away Blackburn but he's one of those guys that come up big in big moments and fly under the radar - which I feel is so important to our team and its chemistry on the field.
+1 Guy is the definition of a difference maker. INT's vs the Pack his first week back with the team and HUGE INT in the Super Bowl. He may have had an off-week vs the Browns, but that happens to the best of them. They say you can't teach speed - you can't teach heart and Chase has it.

zimonami
10-13-2012, 10:52 PM
+1 Guy is the definition of a difference maker. INT's vs the Pack his first week back with the team and HUGE INT in the Super Bowl. He may have had an off-week vs the Browns, but that happens to the best of them. They say you can't teach speed - you can't teach heart and Chase has it.
There are many things that need to click at the right time, in addition to chemistry and Karma, when teams get hot at the end of the year, like we did in '07 and '11.
To me there were 2 things that occurred that helped us in last years run... Fewell relenting to the request of the DB's to play man, and the addition of the veteran savvy and stability that Chase brought to the middle of our D.

B&RWarrior
10-13-2012, 11:02 PM
I'm sorry I totally disagree with this. If Chase Blackburn is anything - he's a difference-maker. He always seems to show up big - as evidenced by crucial defensive plays made by him during last year's Super Bowl playoff run. He's even had some success this year. I think Chase is a good player and I love that he is a Giant.

Off. Coordinators may not be planning to take away Blackburn but he's one of those guys that come up big in big moments and fly under the radar - which I feel is so important to our team and its chemistry on the field.

He's definitely not a difference maker. A difference maker would be considered a core player. He's servicable but we'll be looking to upgrade.

Toadofsteel
10-13-2012, 11:52 PM
I'm more worried about the state of our "pass rush" than anything else on defense (quotes intended)...

Marvelousmik
10-14-2012, 01:19 AM
Fail! Do not just buy into the rhetoric that white people are "non-athletic" and they "play smart" Chase's 40 time is the same as Boley's, and pretty close to kiwi's.

Where did he say white people are not athletic and only play smart? 40 times are also overrated. Aj green ran a 4.5 but burns guys deep like he runs a 4.3. boley is definitely faster than blackburn regardless of 40 times

G4L
10-14-2012, 02:30 AM
Where did he say white people are not athletic and only play smart? 40 times are also overrated. Aj green ran a 4.5 but burns guys deep like he runs a 4.3. boley is definitely faster than blackburn regardless of 40 times

Whats with all this talk of 40 times? Are these comments referring to combine stats? If so, thats along time ago for Boley and Blackburn.

UK-Giantsfan
10-14-2012, 04:22 AM
when you look at some old games from 05-09 you realise how good Antonio Pierce was for us at MLB .......he wasnt the quickest either ...but he was able to play both the run and pass very effectively and had a great football brain .....Chase is full of heart and bravery but just not nearly as good as AP was

regards UK

Rat_bastich
10-14-2012, 04:37 AM
Chase is built more like your traditional throwback middle linebacker. Tall and thick. He is a little stiff in the hips and not as athletic as your modern day middle linebackers who are more agile and quick...more like a bull v. a cat. He definitely has the brains and heart which I think endears him to the coaching staff.

SiddFinch1
10-14-2012, 10:01 AM
He has never been a superstar justsolid role player who has a nack for a big play.

appodictic
10-14-2012, 01:34 PM
Where did he say white people are not athletic and only play smart? 40 times are also overrated. Aj green ran a 4.5 but burns guys deep like he runs a 4.3. boley is definitely faster than blackburn regardless of 40 times Its just a fact that whenever we talk about someone white, we naturally call them a "smart player". I can recall a thread earlier this year when we were talking about Joe Martinek and someone said he is slow when he is actually fast, http://hopatcong-sparta.patch.com/articles/martinek-blazes-40-yard-dash-at-rutgers-pro-day .

News flash! Chase Blackburn is one o the few players on the giants D that is currently getting it done. Here is short list of people not getting it done:

Rolle, Osi, Tuck, JPP, Webster, why don't people start worrying about why Osi can not get a sack or play contain. Or why webster is pretty much a whipping boy now.

Instead everyone is super focused on Chase Blackburn not being fast enough, Ill tell you what whenever it was who turned that receiver free for that 60 yard wheaton TD, I did not see anyone else on the giants :cough: :cough: safeties, even on screen. So when both a CB fails to chip and a safety fails to cover the right area of the field chase blackburn's speed is not really the issue.

Buddy333
10-14-2012, 02:24 PM
Your right. Thanks for driving your opinion home with some tangible proof.Right. So he is not only smart but so fast that he found himself waiting for a call last year while Boley and Kiwi where playing football in the NFL.

BeatYale
10-14-2012, 02:35 PM
News flash! Chase Blackburn is one o the few players on the giants D that is currently getting it done. Here is short list of people not getting it done:


Why? Because he had an interception? Don't know about that. The PFF article mentioned that Chase was a big liability against the Browns. The int was a big play, partly because of the score at the time, but the score was only close because of all the yardage he was responsible for giving up that resulted in points for the Browns. The DLine actually played solid against the run, the LBers were the bigger culprit for the Browns running so well against us. Chase's tackling was horrid and he wasn't fast enough and/or took bad angles to the ball.

Redeyejedi
10-14-2012, 04:16 PM
Fail! Do not just buy into the rhetoric that white people are "non-athletic" and they "play smart" Chase's 40 time is the same as Boley's, and pretty close to kiwi's.Where did U see that. Boley ran a 4.56 at the combine. Blackburn ran a 4.78 at his pro day. Regardless of 40 if u think Blackburn is as fast as or quick as Boley your crazy

Redeyejedi
10-14-2012, 04:21 PM
Why? Because he had an interception? Don't know about that. The PFF article mentioned that Chase was a big liability against the Browns. The int was a big play, partly because of the score at the time, but the score was only close because of all the yardage he was responsible for giving up that resulted in points for the Browns. The DLine actually played solid against the run, the LBers were the bigger culprit for the Browns running so well against us. Chase's tackling was horrid and he wasn't fast enough and/or took bad angles to the ball.He was really bad last week. He is the worst starter on Defense

zimonami
10-14-2012, 05:38 PM
[QUOTE=BeatYale;530391]Why? Because he had an interception? Don't know about that. The PFF article mentioned that Chase was a big liability against the Browns. The int was a big play, partly because of the score at the time, but the score was only close because of all the yardage he was responsible for giving up that resulted in points for the Browns. The DLine actually played solid against the run, the LBers were the bigger culprit for the Browns running so well against us. Chase's tackling was horrid and he wasn't fast enough and/or took bad angles to the ball.[/QUOTE"... all the yardage HE was responsible for giving up that resulted in points for the Browns." ... "... and he wasn't fast enough and/or took bad angles to the ball."


Are you serious??? Eleven men on defense and you're laying it all on Chase?
And, you're still bugged that he was beat bty a WR, when a safety didn't give coverage over the top?
Excuse me, but that was not supposed to be Chase's man.
You haven't got a clue.
I'll bet you're a star on your local flag football team.
Chase gives us his blood and sweat, and does his best.
If Coughlin had someone to measure up to your standards he'd be out there.
Shouls Chase apologize to you for not being as fast as a pro WR? For missing a couple of tackles?
Where the hell is the gratitude on here for the solid job he did for us last year?
Without him our defense wasn't as good. Period.