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EVGiant17
10-29-2012, 12:53 PM
Yes our offense failed to move the ball. Yes our defense forced 6 turnovers In the end though IMO it was the defense that almost lost this game. I expect any game we put up 29 pts to be a win for the good guys.

Despite the turnovers this is why I think our D stunk it up.

The Cowboys had 19 rushing yards total. Total. They completely gave up on the run at the end of the game yet our D was giving up huge chunks of yardage.

Think about it. For basically the entire 2nd half (and surely the 4th quarter) our entire defensive line could rush the passer like it was 3rd and long. Our linebackers and secondary could cover without worrying about play action. Yet despite this we were swiss cheese. We need to do better plain and simple.

primetime
10-29-2012, 12:57 PM
The Cowboys receivers beat our guys plain and simple. For the past two weeks how many times are we going to let a receiver have a free run 15 yards down the field?
We also had no answers for Witten. No matter who we had covering him he found ways to get open.

GiantWarfare
10-29-2012, 12:58 PM
I think half the story was them thinking the game was already won in the 1st qtr and going on cruise control with the other half being them gassing due to the ineptitude of our offense.

So although I agree w/ you to an extent, to be fair to the D, its hard to get after it for a whole half when your offense keeps on going 3 & out, thus giving you no rest or anything.

They did man up in the end when it got close though....

YATittle1962
10-29-2012, 12:59 PM
and Witten ran 2 or 3 routes all game

and 90% of them were the old......gain inside leverage and break outside ....little 7 yd route that he and Romo love and got us with all but I think once

Austin also was working Price quite well

Hosely had his hands full as well

the Giants often have problems with that offense

made for an exciting game and a tough W

didn't seem like press man or zone was working yesterday ......it happens

they were shedding the jams and finding the soft spots in zones

and Corey blew that one play

I don't think it is anything to worry about

Giants Cowboys is always a heart attack waiting to happen

Stevie Brown may make it tough for Kenny to get his job back :)

G-MANning4Life
10-29-2012, 01:11 PM
EVGiant17, while I do understand where you are coming from, our D worked hard to get those 6 turnovers. What more could you ask from them? I blame the Offense more than anybody for failing to earn more than one touchdown when the Defense managed to get almost all their turnovers into Dallas territory, and even got a pick 6 from one of them. Our defense was on the field for most of the game. I can imagine they were fatigued and that affected them a lot.

Yes, Dallas came back to score 24 points, but when you factor in that we ended up with 5 field goals - 2 of which should have been touchdowns, and the score wouldn't have been so close. FG's don't guarantee wins. Our D managed to pull us through this game.

EVGiant17
10-29-2012, 03:44 PM
EVGiant17, while I do understand where you are coming from, our D worked hard to get those 6 turnovers. What more could you ask from them? I blame the Offense more than anybody for failing to earn more than one touchdown when the Defense managed to get almost all their turnovers into Dallas territory, and even got a pick 6 from one of them. Our defense was on the field for most of the game. I can imagine they were fatigued and that affected them a lot.

Yes, Dallas came back to score 24 points, but when you factor in that we ended up with 5 field goals - 2 of which should have been touchdowns, and the score wouldn't have been so close. FG's don't guarantee wins. Our D managed to pull us through this game.

Almost all of the turnovers were absolute gifts. No hard work required. Fumble by Dez Bryant? Minimal contact. Fumble by Jones? He ran into his own guy? The four interceptions. Horribly thrown balls that looked meant for defenders. What more do I want? Dallas punted 1 time in the 2nd half. Dallas punted 0 times in the third quarter. That is bothersome.

drewz
10-29-2012, 03:50 PM
I prayed every time I saw them line up in man coverage

oldgiantfan
10-29-2012, 03:54 PM
Three words: Witten, Witten, Witten. We know they'll use him to get the 5-6 yard plays, Dallas knows it's going to happen, Romo knows if all else fails there's Witten, the Giants know he's going to get the ball over over and over again. For years I"ve watched Witten kill us. This time though Dallas has good wide receivers so the Giants can't simply focus on Witten. Unfortunately, Romo figured that out, started throwing to Witten for the 6 yard gains and it opened up his wide receivers. It drives me crazy though.

G-MANning4Life
10-29-2012, 03:55 PM
Almost all of the turnovers were absolute gifts. No hard work required. Fumble by Dez Bryant? Minimal contact. Fumble by Jones? He ran into his own guy? The four interceptions. Horribly thrown balls that looked meant for defenders. What more do I want? Dallas punted 1 time in the 2nd half. Dallas punted 0 times in the third quarter. That is bothersome.
Regardless, turnovers are the epitome of what you want from a defense. Gift or not, we got 6 of them, six! How in the world do you NOT score TD's from almost any of them? And I'm definitely not arguing with you. You make valid points that the D was weak to stop the Dallas drives when they didn't turn the ball over. However, the offense was a lot worse and should take more blame.

hungrrrry
10-29-2012, 05:00 PM
Yes our offense failed to move the ball. Yes our defense forced 6 turnovers In the end though IMO it was the defense that almost lost this game. I expect any game we put up 29 pts to be a win for the good guys.

Despite the turnovers this is why I think our D stunk it up.

The Cowboys had 19 rushing yards total. Total. They completely gave up on the run at the end of the game yet our D was giving up huge chunks of yardage.

Think about it. For basically the entire 2nd half (and surely the 4th quarter) our entire defensive line could rush the passer like it was 3rd and long. Our linebackers and secondary could cover without worrying about play action. Yet despite this we were swiss cheese. We need to do better plain and simple.How many points did our offense bring in within a normal drive....meaning not a drive on turnovers?
Eli and our offense couldn't get points on the board...if they could then we would have destroyed Dallas' confidence and they would not have played all game like they had a chance and momentum.

The defense did a lot but can only sustain so much offense...if our offense is not on the field then our defense is, and they are tired and the 'boys had more time to get points on the board

I will say the defensive scheme quickly switched to "bend dont break" which witten was a beneficiary of...I don't like that scheme at all...I like aggressive play but our offense is why we struggled in that game...look at the stats

Eliscruzzz
10-29-2012, 05:07 PM
Almost all of the turnovers were absolute gifts. No hard work required. Fumble by Dez Bryant? Minimal contact. Fumble by Jones? He ran into his own guy? The four interceptions. Horribly thrown balls that looked meant for defenders. What more do I want? Dallas punted 1 time in the 2nd half. Dallas punted 0 times in the third quarter. That is bothersome.Yeah our defense had nothing to do with the TO. Wake up man... anyone can see the offense was the reason why we almost lost that game.

Giant stuck in Texas
10-29-2012, 05:30 PM
and Witten ran 2 or 3 routes all game

and 90% of them were the old......gain inside leverage and break outside ....little 7 yd route that he and Romo love and got us with all but I think once

Austin also was working Price quite well

Hosely had his hands full as well

the Giants often have problems with that offense

made for an exciting game and a tough W

didn't seem like press man or zone was working yesterday ......it happens

they were shedding the jams and finding the soft spots in zones

and Corey blew that one play

I don't think it is anything to worry about

Giants Cowboys is always a heart attack waiting to happen

Stevie Brown may make it tough for Kenny to get his job back :) If I'm not mistaken it was Hosley that was getting worked by Austin.

With that said, I'm not to concerned about the defense, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the offense. Out of sync comes to mind.

YATittle1962
10-29-2012, 06:09 PM
If I'm not mistaken it was Hosley that was getting worked by Austin.

With that said, I'm not to concerned about the defense, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the offense. Out of sync comes to mind.

they were both abused by Austin on multiple occasions

there was a point where he beat Prince 3 or 4 times on consecutive plays for nice gains

BlueReign
10-29-2012, 06:17 PM
Regardless, turnovers are the epitome of what you want from a defense. Gift or not, we got 6 of them, six! How in the world do you NOT score TD's from almost any of them? And I'm definitely not arguing with you. You make valid points that the D was weak to stop the Dallas drives when they didn't turn the ball over. However, the offense was a lot worse and should take more blame.
This. We should've had 40 points by half time. Offensive execution was joke. Cruz and Bennett had bad games.

Giant stuck in Texas
10-29-2012, 06:19 PM
they were both abused by Austin on multiple occasions

there was a point where he beat Prince 3 or 4 times on consecutive plays for nice gains I just remember all the holding calls on Hosley. lol

CuseGirl
10-29-2012, 06:21 PM
The Giants played poorly on both sides, there's no use arguing whose fault it was that the game was close. The 6 turnovers and the Dez-out of bounds play are the difference between the Gmen and Dallas, period.

My main issues with the Giants are both on D: Tuck and Osi aren't doing anything until the opposing team HAS to pass the ball. That's not good enough.

The second issue is EVERY SINGLE COMPLETION by Dallas, the receivers are catching the ball with no one near them. I don't understand why against all coverages, our corners can't challenge the reception. They're never around to put their hands in the way of the catch or swat a pass away. The turnovers, I agree, were gifted (outside of JPP's pick, he just made a great individual play). But I'm just tired of receivers being able to catch passes cleanly with 5 yards of space to work around. Sickening honestly....Prince, Hosley got abused and I'm already waiting for Webster to be cut.

brad
10-29-2012, 08:16 PM
Almost all of the turnovers were absolute gifts. No hard work required. Fumble by Dez Bryant? Minimal contact. Fumble by Jones? He ran into his own guy? The four interceptions. Horribly thrown balls that looked meant for defenders. What more do I want? Dallas punted 1 time in the 2nd half. Dallas punted 0 times in the third quarter. That is bothersome.


By this logic we can conclude that the Dallas defense also did nothing to stop the Giants, the Giants offense gifted them a dismal performance... If your going to criticize them, you can at least credit them when they do something good.

Eli was 15 of 29 for 192 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT. They got only 11 first downs the entire game, converting only 3 of 11 3rd downs. Based off that information alone, you would assume the Giants lost that game and lost bad. The D did not give up this game, the offense clearly did.

The Giants D gives up a lot of yards (ranked 24th), but is #1 in interceptions, 7th in sacks and 8th least points given up. They give up a lot of yards but make up for it with big plays. The Giants offense is 18th on 3rd down conversion % but 4th in yards per game and 3rd in points per game. They too make up for a horrible 3rd down conversion rate with the big play.

Buddy333
10-29-2012, 08:29 PM
The Giants defense is not good. They have given up huge scoring plays in all but two games. One of those games was giants the 49ers and they are a one dimensional team, but the Steelers are not one dimensional.

jaxnygmen
10-29-2012, 08:42 PM
Agreed. Defense took the foot off the pedal. We were not getting enough pressure on Romo. When we did the result were he was all over the place with his throws. We had no answer for Witten. Our LB's for years have not been able to cover a good pass catching TE. We also had mistakes in the Defense back field with blown coverages. Rolle was victimized a few times and was lucky not to get flagged when he got hurt. Webster got burnt. Prince struggled. Hosley had a nightmare. I do not think we run enough stunts with our front four. We needed to blitz a little more. On the flip side, our defense put us in a position to score and instead of TD's we get field goals. Our offense did not play particularly well and play calling was a little suspect. We score TD's off of two of those turnovers and we would have buried them.

Buddy333
10-29-2012, 08:54 PM
They didn't take their foot off the gas. In two games Romo abused the defense. Once Romo settled down he did exactly what he did to them the first time they played.

jaxnygmen
10-29-2012, 09:15 PM
I think we allowed him to settle. no? I thought early on our DL got some pressure on Romo and he got skittish. Canty leveled him and he looked rocked. Then we could not get the same pressure. Either they made an adjustment or the DL started to bag it. Looked to me as if the DL started to play with the mentality "we got this game already"

CDN_G-FAN
10-29-2012, 10:20 PM
not without a consistent pass rush.


and blitzing against dallas isn't the answer.

Captain Chaos
10-30-2012, 07:02 AM
Most of that yardage was given up to the TEs... Not that that is any consolation!