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RoanokeFan
11-01-2012, 12:02 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1195305 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/gola-accorsi-trade-eli-changed-giants-article-1.1195305)

Excerpt: "Ernie Accorsi had no idea how he was affecting the power structure of the NFL when he traded for Eli Manning on draft day, 2004. All the then-GM of the Giants cared about was his team.

But, looking back, as Manning and Ben Roethlisberger get set for one of their rare head-to-head showdowns Sunday, itís accurate to call it a four-Super Bowl deal, five if you throw in the one Roethlisberger lost.

The Giants had Roethlisberger ahead of Philip Rivers on their value board and Accorsi confirms they would have taken him with the fourth pick had Archie Manning not objected the thought of his kid playing for the Chargers. Turns out Eliís dad was quite the prophet. And that would have left the Steelers, drafting eighth, with Rivers.

Would Eli have won two Super Bowls with the Chargers? Not likely, considering the path of that dysfunctional franchise.

Would Roethlisberger have won two Super Bowls with the Giants? Maybe, if Roethlisberger stayed healthy the right seasons.

Would the Steelers have won two Super Bowls with Rivers? Probably not. At least he hasnít so far shown he can win many big games.

That means, of course, Pittsburgh fans have Accorsi to thank for their recent success.

Had they played each other more often than just twice (Big Big won their rookie meeting, Eli won in 2008), this could have been a rivalry to match the one Eliís brother, Peyton, has with Tom Brady.

Think about it. Either Roethlisberger or Manning has quarterbacked in five of the last seven Super Bowls." Read more...

JJC7301
11-01-2012, 09:03 PM
I think that either team could have won with Rivers -- he was, and probably still is, a very good QB. The difference is in the coaching, management, talent, and how the teams are built.

That being said, I'm glad that everything turned out the way that it did.

miked1958
11-01-2012, 09:26 PM
I think Benn could of won SBs here. However under the bright lights of NYC who knows how much trouble the guy could of gotten in here. I think it worked out for the best

WEG313
11-01-2012, 09:45 PM
I think that either team could have won with Rivers -- he was, and probably still is, a very good QB. The difference is in the coaching, management, talent, and how the teams are built.

That being said, I'm glad that everything turned out the way that it did.

Strongly disagree. No question, Rivers has all the attributes of an elite QB, but from what I've seen, he's more a shucker than an elite QB. For his first several years he was living off the physicality and athleticism of Jackson and Gates as his primary receivers; oftentimes just throwing the ball up for grabs, knowing that the odds were heavily in favor of his guy outmaneuvering for the ball. It didn't hurt that he also had both LT II and Sprowells, a pair of elite running backs who kept the defense honest, and who were both great in the short passing game. He was NEVER a finesse or precision passer, and rarely had to come from behind.. I also question his preparation vis-a-vis guys such as Eli, Peyton, Brady and others. No way do I put Rivers in the same class as either Eli or Ben.

Harooni
11-02-2012, 12:09 AM
they can also thank our staff for trading out and going after sinorice moss which gave them Santonio Homles SB mvp.

Sarcasman
11-03-2012, 10:29 AM
they can also thank our staff for trading out and going after sinorice moss which gave them Santonio Homles SB mvp.


Hey, the sun even shines on a dog's *** every once in a while. That said, let's not go pretending that Holmes is anything more than a decent receiver who had a good game.

BParcells777
11-03-2012, 10:40 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1195305 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/gola-accorsi-trade-eli-changed-giants-article-1.1195305)

Excerpt: "Ernie Accorsi had no idea how he was affecting the power structure of the NFL when he traded for Eli Manning on draft day, 2004. All the then-GM of the Giants cared about was his team.

But, looking back, as Manning and Ben Roethlisberger get set for one of their rare head-to-head showdowns Sunday, itís accurate to call it a four-Super Bowl deal, five if you throw in the one Roethlisberger lost.

The Giants had Roethlisberger ahead of Philip Rivers on their value board and Accorsi confirms they would have taken him with the fourth pick had Archie Manning not objected the thought of his kid playing for the Chargers. Turns out Eliís dad was quite the prophet. And that would have left the Steelers, drafting eighth, with Rivers.

Would Eli have won two Super Bowls with the Chargers? Not likely, considering the path of that dysfunctional franchise.

Would Roethlisberger have won two Super Bowls with the Giants? Maybe, if Roethlisberger stayed healthy the right seasons.

Would the Steelers have won two Super Bowls with Rivers? Probably not. At least he hasnít so far shown he can win many big games.

That means, of course, Pittsburgh fans have Accorsi to thank for their recent success.

Had they played each other more often than just twice (Big Big won their rookie meeting, Eli won in 2008), this could have been a rivalry to match the one Eliís brother, Peyton, has with Tom Brady.

Think about it. Either Roethlisberger or Manning has quarterbacked in five of the last seven Super Bowls." Read more...

I would not cast Rivers aside so lightly.........we might have won more SBs with him. He does not have the talent around him the Giants do, nor has he ever. Same for Big Ben.......he has profited from being on the right team at the right time.

I would rate all 3 guys roughly equal, which in itself is quite remarkable for one draft class..........none is in the class of Unitas, Staubach, or Montana.......or even ringless Dan Marino.......I compare Philips more to Marino......no D on his teams

Flip Empty
11-03-2012, 11:38 AM
I would not cast Rivers aside so lightly.........we might have won more SBs with him. He does not have the talent around him the Giants do, nor has he ever. Same for Big Ben.......he has profited from being on the right team at the right time.

I would rate all 3 guys roughly equal, which in itself is quite remarkable for one draft class..........none is in the class of Unitas, Staubach, or Montana.......or even ringless Dan Marino.......I compare Philips more to Marino......no D on his teams
I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion. Rivers had Ladainian Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates - they don't measure up to the talent either of the Giants' recent SB teams possessed? Darren Sproles, Mike Tolbert?

The Chargers have mostly been ok, defense-wise. They were one of the best in the league just a few years ago.

BParcells777
11-03-2012, 11:48 AM
I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion. Rivers had Ladanian Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates - but that doesn't measure up to the talent either of the Giants' recent SB teams possessed?

The Chargers have mostly been ok, defense-wise. They were one of the best in the league just a few years ago.

If you have learned anything from the NFL now you must realize Offense wins regular season games (sometimes) Defense wins in the playoffs almost always......just like good pitching always beat good hitting. I have seen spectacular play from Rivers but his surrounding cast is always ordinary.....Tomlinson is a fraud....had a few good years when he used his early on quickness.......had no power at all EVER

I read an article recently that had Tomlinson rated #10 of all time runers and Sanders ranked #1 over Jim Brown........obviously this individual never watch Jim Brown play, and must be Tomlinsons brother....even our own Tiki was light years better than Tomlinson

giantsfan420
11-03-2012, 12:10 PM
Strongly disagree. No question, Rivers has all the attributes of an elite QB, but from what I've seen, he's more a shucker than an elite QB. For his first several years he was living off the physicality and athleticism of Jackson and Gates as his primary receivers; oftentimes just throwing the ball up for grabs, knowing that the odds were heavily in favor of his guy outmaneuvering for the ball. It didn't hurt that he also had both LT II and Sprowells, a pair of elite running backs who kept the defense honest, and who were both great in the short passing game. He was NEVER a finesse or precision passer, and rarely had to come from behind.. I also question his preparation vis-a-vis guys such as Eli, Peyton, Brady and others. No way do I put Rivers in the same class as either Eli or Ben.
First rivers does not have the arm strength he had three years ago. His accuracy is off because he's trying to compensate for the lack of strength. Second if rivers could supposedly win with New York or Pittsburgh he should have been able to win with San Diego a very very talented team. Many people considered San Diego of much more talented team then New York for several seasons. How many years where they the Super Bowl favorite they went 14 n 2 one season. Finally Rivers has always benefited from an offense catered to throwing to the checked out options, such as the tight ends and running backs. This past game they just one rivers connected on eight or 10 of his passes to the running backs and to gates. In the fourth quarter, where the D scored two touchdowns, he attempted only one pass. He could not put up any points for touchdowns against Cleveland and first three quarters versa Kansas City team could only score 10 points. He has been highly overrated in my opinion, and the past two years are a result of the loss of strength in his arm and accuracy. I do not think he could've handled the pressure of playing in this market when he shown several instances of being unable to handle San Diego's team market. How did you guys like seeing Bradshaw screaming at coach on the side like a couple weeks ago? That will be rivers doing that. And I don't think Rivers would've won a Super Bowl here or Pittsburgh

Eliscruzzz
11-03-2012, 03:19 PM
I'm sorry but he's right, Phillips Rivers would've never won here our teams weren't nearly as good as the Chargers were. They were a legit powerhouse in his first 5 years as QB. I think Eli definitely could've won a championship with that Chargers team. I also think Big Ben would've won here in New York how many IDK but I think he would've. To me Phillip Rivers never really took the time to really learn how to play the qb position. He basically just got by on abilities and it worked out well for him until this year and last when he lost people that can just go up a get the ball and then he had to start making smarter reads. We will see where his career goes but to me, he's just not that good and his throwing motion is terrible, I think it's uglier then Tebows throwing motion.

BParcells777
11-03-2012, 03:22 PM
I'm sorry but he's right, Phillips Rivers would've never won here our teams weren't nearly as good as the Chargers were. They were a legit powerhouse in his first 5 years as QB. I think Eli definitely could've won a championship with that Chargers team. I also think Big Ben would've won here in New York how many IDK but I think he would've. To me Phillip Rivers never really took the time to really learn how to play the qb position. He basically just got by on abilities and it worked out well for him until this year and last when he lost people that can just go up a get the ball and then he had to start making smarter reads. We will see where his career goes but to me, he's just not that good and his throwing motion is terrible, I think it's uglier then Tebows throwing motion.

Are you serious, or is this a joke?

BParcells777
11-03-2012, 03:29 PM
First rivers does not have the arm strength he had three years ago. His accuracy is off because he's trying to compensate for the lack of strength. Second if rivers could supposedly win with New York or Pittsburgh he should have been able to win with San Diego a very very talented team. Many people considered San Diego of much more talented team then New York for several seasons. How many years where they the Super Bowl favorite they went 14 n 2 one season. Finally Rivers has always benefited from an offense catered to throwing to the checked out options, such as the tight ends and running backs. This past game they just one rivers connected on eight or 10 of his passes to the running backs and to gates. In the fourth quarter, where the D scored two touchdowns, he attempted only one pass. He could not put up any points for touchdowns against Cleveland and first three quarters versa Kansas City team could only score 10 points. He has been highly overrated in my opinion, and the past two years are a result of the loss of strength in his arm and accuracy. I do not think he could've handled the pressure of playing in this market when he shown several instances of being unable to handle San Diego's team market. How did you guys like seeing Bradshaw screaming at coach on the side like a couple weeks ago? That will be rivers doing that. And I don't think Rivers would've won a Super Bowl here or Pittsburgh

Tell us how you really feel about Rivers.............why does he pass for 5000 yds every year.....is that like all Garbage time yardage? And the TDs only come in games where SD has already been routed? Look Eli is a good QB, and has honed his craft......Rivers is a natural passing machine.....has been since day 1

Eliscruzzz
11-03-2012, 03:46 PM
Are you serious, or is this a joke?It's not a joke Phillip Rivers just isn't that good as he has shown the past two years. What is he in his 8th,9th year??? If he was truly elite then why can't he make other wr's look better then they are and it's not like he doesn't have weapons he does to me he just doesn't know the little in and outs of playing qb.

Eliscruzzz
11-03-2012, 03:47 PM
Tell us how you really feel about Rivers.............why does he pass for 5000 yds every year.....is that like all Garbage time yardage? And the TDs only come in games where SD has already been routed? Look Eli is a good QB, and has honed his craft......Rivers is a natural passing machine.....has been since day 15,000 yards and td's are not the end all be all of playing qb.....

TheEnigma
11-03-2012, 03:53 PM
Say what you want about Rivers but he is one of the last problems wrong with that franchise. We're talking about a GM who fired a HC with a 14-2 record. let go of LT2 when he had 2 more years left, Darren Sproles, Vincent Jackson...obvious franchise type players that should of retired in San Diego. Let's not mention the hire of Norv Turner who has been a complete disaster compared to Schotty. He was lucky that most of the division was asleep at the wheel until Denver acquired Peyton. I'm sorry but even Dan Snyder's Redskins franchise or Jerry World is more respectable than the Chargers.

giantsfan420
11-03-2012, 04:31 PM
He's never thrown for 5k in fact Eli has a higher career year for yards thrown but even that isn't accurate in my opinion. I should have prefaced of was my opinion if u feel different cool

BParcells777
11-03-2012, 04:53 PM
You sound like a guy who's girlfriend was stolen by Philip Rivers LOL

Eliscruzzz
11-03-2012, 04:57 PM
You sound like a guy who's girlfriend was stolen by Philip Rivers LOLlol ok.... are you sure you took your meds today Parcells?? You still think SB should play wr as a redzone threat lol.

joemorrisforprez
11-03-2012, 05:34 PM
Alot of non-Giants fans have given Archie **** for his role in Eli rejecting the Chargers..... but he was right.

They fired Schottenheimer after a 14 win season......AJ Smith was and remains a toolbox, and Norv Turner wouldn't win a Super Bowl if a zombie apocalypse wiped out the other 31 teams.

TextureDj
11-03-2012, 06:24 PM
You sound like a guy who's girlfriend was stolen by Philip Rivers LOL

lol ok.... are you sure you took your meds today Parcells?? You still think SB should play wr as a redzone threat lol.

Your talking about a guy who wishes Stevie Brown would take him for a girlfriend.

:D

Eliscruzzz
11-03-2012, 06:37 PM
Your talking about a guy who wishes Stevie Brown would take him for a girlfriend.

:Dhaha exactly. =)

Roosevelt
11-03-2012, 10:00 PM
You sound like a guy who's girlfriend was stolen by Philip Rivers LOL

He sounds like Eli's girl friend period. But I mean that in a nice way.