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steviebrownyo
11-06-2012, 06:21 PM
Third and long, 2 deep safety, press man coverage. That is what is killing our passing game. A very basic defense that is run in high schools across the country.
Nicks isnt healthy enough to get open and cruz is conversely getting all that extra attention. Paging Domenik Hixon, Reuben Randle and Ramses Barden. Somebody needs to step up and make some plays.

Toadofsteel
11-06-2012, 06:24 PM
1) Get Locklear back on the field. No more of this 2010 O'hara part II...
2) With Locklear on the field, have Beckum and Cruz run cross routes from opposite sides to expose the middle of the field.
3) Have Brown pound it up the middle, get some screens for Wilson drawn up.
4) ????
5) PROFIT!

In all honesty though, until we prove we can run the ball or do short passes with some consistency, teams are always just going to leave 2 deep against us. Putting a safety in the box would set us up nice for some play action...

BlueSanta
11-06-2012, 06:29 PM
Teams have been playing 2 deep man under on us for years. It is 1 of the most common defenses in the NFL.

Toadofsteel
11-06-2012, 06:31 PM
Teams have been playing 2 deep man under on us for years. It is 1 of the most common defenses in the NFL.

Yet Killdrive seems to think that stuffing the box is more common for some reason...

drewz
11-06-2012, 06:32 PM
Run the ball cosistently

TheEnigma
11-06-2012, 06:33 PM
Teams have been playing 2 deep man under on us for years. It is 1 of the most common defenses in the NFL.

True but they are playing much more press coverage than they have in recent years. I get the feeling that the coaches tell the CBs to play an extremely aggressive press coverage even at the risk of PI since it hurts less on average than to allow constant 10-15 yard receptions.

njersey
11-06-2012, 06:40 PM
Run the ball cosistently

This! The Steelers knew that we couldn't run the ball.

FBomb
11-06-2012, 06:40 PM
Run the ball cosistently

+1

That is the only right answer here. Our run game scares no one.

Cloud57
11-06-2012, 07:21 PM
+1

That is the only right answer here. Our run game scares no one.

besides Cruz who scares anyone on offense?

Atomic1
11-06-2012, 08:23 PM
You need to swing the ball to the backs out of the backfield with dump-offs as the receivers run deep. Also shovel passes, screens and hitting the TE would work . Put 3 backs in the backfield, or even put a TE in the backfield and throw to him or run different sets out of it. It's ok to dink-dunk infront of the deep defensive sets which will
draw them up and THEN you can throw deep.
Lately I'm guessing what the Giants are doing before the ball is snapped by looking at the set and I am correct 75% of the time and if I know it you can bet the Giants opposition do to.

Eliscruzzz
11-06-2012, 08:27 PM
You can't unless we run the ball great or a 3rd wr steps up...or if we go more with an west coast offense style of passing.

ShakeandBake
11-06-2012, 08:47 PM
So all of you guys think we should run the ball on 3rd and long? Well, personally I think that we need to run the slant more and get the TE, RBs and even our FB more involved since we know he has hands in the passing game. The middle of the field is consistently WIDE OPEN. We need to switch it up and have the slot man come in and chip so that the TE can release. Overall we need to run the ball more consistently which is pretty obvious at this point, but in 3rd and long we need to be utilizing the players/positions I mentioned above more often.

Captain Chaos
11-06-2012, 08:58 PM
Third and long, 2 deep safety, press man coverage. That is what is killing our passing game. A very basic defense that is run in high schools across the country.
Nicks isnt healthy enough to get open and cruz is conversely getting all that extra attention. Paging Domenik Hixon, Reuben Randle and Ramses Barden. Somebody needs to step up and make some plays.

Obviously it is not Randle...

giantsacks
11-06-2012, 08:58 PM
Third and long, 2 deep safety, press man coverage. That is what is killing our passing game. A very basic defense that is run in high schools across the country. Nicks isnt healthy enough to get open and cruz is conversely getting all that extra attention. Paging Domenik Hixon, Reuben Randle and Ramses Barden. Somebody needs to step up and make some plays. Its simple look at the packers,saints ,texans, etc them wrs hardly get doubled cuz they run 3,4,5 wr sets meaning safetyz gotta come dwn to cover meaning at least 2 mano vs mano with no over the top help

jakegibbs
11-07-2012, 09:39 AM
Third and long, 2 deep safety, press man coverage. That is what is killing our passing game. A very basic defense that is run in high schools across the country.
Nicks isnt healthy enough to get open and cruz is conversely getting all that extra attention. Paging Domenik Hixon, Reuben Randle and Ramses Barden. Somebody needs to step up and make some plays.

1 Bunch recievers on wide side of field. Run x routes within 1st 5 yards to confuse the coverage DB's to start.
2 Have 1 WR go in motion to bunch with another WR @ snap. Same thing you'll have the DB's getting into each other way.
Every other team does it why not ours?

brad
11-07-2012, 10:08 AM
Third and long, 2 deep safety, press man coverage. That is what is killing our passing game. A very basic defense that is run in high schools across the country.
Nicks isnt healthy enough to get open and cruz is conversely getting all that extra attention. Paging Domenik Hixon, Reuben Randle and Ramses Barden. Somebody needs to step up and make some plays.

1. Run the ball better and more consistently
2. If you can't run, send the TE out on intermediate underneath routes in the middle
3. Send the backs out into the flat, something Hynoski does well
4. Slant routes with the receivers to counter the physical play at the line
5. Increase the tempo of the offense, don't let defenses get into a rythm by knowing you are going to snap the ball with 1 second left

giantsforce
11-07-2012, 01:08 PM
1. Run the ball better and more consistently
2. If you can't run, send the TE out on intermediate underneath routes in the middle
3. Send the backs out into the flat, something Hynoski does well
4. Slant routes with the receivers to counter the physical play at the line
5. Increase the tempo of the offense, don't let defenses get into a rythm by knowing you are going to snap the ball with 1 second leftI agree with this but on #2 and #3 we have to keep them back to block since our O line cannot do it by itself with Diehl in the line up.