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alentown pa
11-09-2012, 11:25 PM
Are we becoming spoiled as giant fans? 6-3 and first in the division, coming off a super bowl and you would think we were 3-6....I think we have been spoiled by this team,quarterback,and coaches...Just try and appreciate it giant fans,it's hard sometimes, but one day this will be over.

Drez
11-09-2012, 11:30 PM
I don't think that it's we're spoiled, but rather the fact that despite winning a few games (and our loss to PIT), we haven't been playing very well.

If we were playing well and winning, and even if we played well and just came up short against PIT, most would have a different attitude.

alentown pa
11-09-2012, 11:33 PM
I don't think that it's we're spoiled, but rather the fact that despite winning a few games (and our loss to PIT), we haven't been playing very well.

If we were playing well and winning, and even if we played well and just came up short against PIT, most would have a different attitude.

I respect your opinion drez....but come on...you see these boards, questioning Eli again...yes he has has 3 bad games but you know what...going into this game I feel great knowing he is our qb, we will learn one day when he is gone, even before last year's run, these are the golden years, we are relevant every year, can't ask for much more.

Drez
11-09-2012, 11:37 PM
I respect your opinion drez....but come on...you see these boards, questioning Eli again...yes he has has 3 bad games but you know what...going into this game I feel great knowing he is our qb, we will learn one day when he is gone, even before last year's run, these are the golden years, we are relevant every year, can't ask for much more.
Well, Eli has deserved criticism, though not downright questioning. He has been a big factor in why we haven't been doing well, but the offense as a whole has struggled as well. I think he'll shake out of it soon enough, along with the rest of the offense.

But, you know this place, it isn't exactly a place where logic and moderation reigns, but rather the extremes.

ReiRiza
11-10-2012, 12:11 AM
I was thinking the same thing. We lose a tough game against PIT and we all get mad. Did Eli play bad? Yeah, but at the end of the day I still wouldn't take anyone else.

Giants aren't usually good in Novemeber anyway lol

Rudyy
11-10-2012, 12:47 AM
I was thinking the same thing. We lose a tough game against PIT and we all get mad. Did Eli play bad? Yeah, but at the end of the day I still wouldn't take anyone else.

Giants aren't usually good in Novemeber anyway lolWe've been off the past few games. Don't let our record deceive you.

Toadofsteel
11-10-2012, 12:50 AM
Yeah we're 6-3, but did you see the way Eli played? If he doesn't fix that pronto it could be 6-10. I still have faith in him to go about fixing it (which is why I don't say get rid of him), but it's still hard to see the team that showed up last week beating any other team on our schedule. If it was Jacksonville and KC over and over, we could...d

ReiRiza
11-10-2012, 01:55 AM
We've been off the past few games. Don't let our record deceive you.

Honestly bro, we have a winning record and a SOLID lead in our division. Are we going to win another Super Bowl? IDK but all I know is I could give a **** about what happens in Nov. I am ready for Dec and the heart attack playoff race we will be facing.

Just have your medicine cabinet stocked. I'll worry about us failing when we are no longer in the playoff picture.

Rudyy
11-10-2012, 01:57 AM
Honestly bro, we have a winning record and a SOLID lead in our division. Are we going to win another Super Bowl? IDK but all I know is I could give a **** about what happens in Nov. I am ready for Dec and the heart attack playoff race we will be facing.

Just have your medicine cabinet stocked. I'll worry about us failing when we are no longer in the playoff picture.I'm not saying we should be panicking yet, but we shouldn't be rejoicing either. Schedule doesn't get any easier.

ReiRiza
11-10-2012, 02:02 AM
I'm not saying we should be panicking yet, but we shouldn't be rejoicing either. Schedule doesn't get any easier.

I know what you're saying. I just don't care about these things anymore lol. I mean last season after the Hawks, 49ers, Eagles, Saints, Skins games, and Packers game I was mad, but we won the Super Bowl.

So I really dont get phased by this part of the season anymore lol.

Rudyy
11-10-2012, 02:08 AM
I know what you're saying. I just don't care about these things anymore lol. I mean last season after the Hawks, 49ers, Eagles, Saints, Skins games, and Packers game I was mad, but we won the Super Bowl.

So I really dont get phased by this part of the season anymore lol.I see

eLi MusT gO dEEp
11-10-2012, 02:24 AM
Nothing wrong with expecting greatness, ESPECIALLY with THIS team. And nothing wrong with being YANKEE FANS either, OP.

This is sports, it's not nation building. Let's be the best every Sunday and let's win EVERY SUPER BOWL is always my motto.

giantsfan420
11-10-2012, 03:53 AM
I'm not saying we should be panicking yet, but we shouldn't be rejoicing either. Schedule doesn't get any easier.
i respectfully disagree i think the scheule does get somewhat easier. we arent going to face a defense the caliber of the dallas and pitt defense. i know with baltimore on the agenda that sounds crazy but w/o ray lewis, and a suggs and reed who are shells of themselves, no ledarus webb...i dunno im glad this lil two game schedule is over pitt and dallas have excellent pass defenses. 100% confident the offfense gets back on track

Rat_bastich
11-10-2012, 04:38 AM
Right now with whats left on our schedule we will be facing teams with anything from decent to horrid pass defenses. The best out of the bunch is Atlanta with a 13th ranked pass defense then at 14th(PHI), 19th(CIN), 20th(GB), 22nd(BAL), 29th(NO) and 31st(WAS).

Rush defenses of the remaining teams are mostly bad as well. Washington ranks 9th and Green Bay 10th but after that we face the 16th(PHI), 17th(CIN), 25th(ATL), 28th(BAL) and 32nd(NO). IF our defense can hold, all these games are extremely winnable.

As a Yankees fan, I really don't expect as much from the Giants than I do the Yankees. Where the Yankees have unlimited resources and no salary cap the Giants face more restrictions towards winning a championship and there isn't a wide margin from the bottom feeders and the top tier teams.

Marvelousmik
11-10-2012, 04:54 AM
Are we becoming spoiled as giant fans? 6-3 and first in the division, coming off a super bowl and you would think we were 3-6....I think we have been spoiled by this team,quarterback,and coaches...Just try and appreciate it giant fans,it's hard sometimes, but one day this will be over.

i made a topic about this already. we havent played our best football lately but there is no doubt in my mind that our fans are spoiled. I mean, there was a thread that said "fire pf after the cowboys win. we were 6-2 coming off of a tough div win and you wanted to fire one of the coaches? i know we didnt play our best football but that is the essence of spoiled.

Captain Chaos
11-10-2012, 05:30 AM
After last weekend's debacle I don't feel spoiled at all...

Diamondring
11-10-2012, 08:20 AM
Yes we should be spoiled cause we know that in the 90s, we had no championships and our team suck. Now we have talent and some Superbowls and we should want more and more. If what you have said is wrong, then I don't want to be right. You gots to be greedy in this sport and want championships. Nobody is talking about killing a player like the 49ers did. We are not going crazy and we should realize that 6 and 3 can turn bad and that is all we get are only two championships and we don't get no more.

stormblue
11-10-2012, 08:24 AM
I don't think that it's we're spoiled, but rather the fact that despite winning a few games (and our loss to PIT), we haven't been playing very well.

If we were playing well and winning, and even if we played well and just came up short against PIT, most would have a different attitude.

100% this ^^

SweetZombieJesus
11-10-2012, 08:29 AM
Are we becoming spoiled as giant fans? 6-3 and first in the division, coming off a super bowl and you would think we were 3-6....I think we have been spoiled by this team,quarterback,and coaches...Just try and appreciate it giant fans,it's hard sometimes, but one day this will be over.

Yankee fans don't even question the regular season. Missing the playoffs is an apocalypse.

Realistically it's the people who have seen the 2nd half swoons and gut-wrenching lossess and we're afraid it can happen again. Combined with the Mets fans who think every little setback is the beginning of the universe imploding as it so often does in Met land.

Diamondring
11-10-2012, 08:30 AM
Are we becoming spoiled as giant fans? 6-3 and first in the division, coming off a super bowl and you would think we were 3-6....I think we have been spoiled by this team,quarterback,and coaches...Just try and appreciate it giant fans,it's hard sometimes, but one day this will be over.Oh and I'm already a Yankee Fan.

keyofgmen
11-10-2012, 08:40 AM
Are we becoming spoiled as giant fans? 6-3 and first in the division, coming off a super bowl and you would think we were 3-6....I think we have been spoiled by this team,quarterback,and coaches...Just try and appreciate it giant fans,it's hard sometimes, but one day this will be over.

I have to agree. I tell my sons all the time how they have 2 SB victories in their lifetime well before I had my 1st!

Flip Empty
11-10-2012, 08:41 AM
It's less about being spoiled than it is expecting the team to perform to the standard they've set.

SiddFinch1
11-10-2012, 09:02 AM
No. I don t expect a super bowl every year or even post season every year. Doesn't mean I don't get critical of bad plsy

stormblue
11-10-2012, 09:04 AM
hey , i'm damn good at what i get paid for.....
but i have my bad days and the occasional mental fatigue.
but it doesn't go un-noticed and without admonishment.

those coaches and players aren't volunteer workers for some charity organization
they get payed to do a job just like you and me.
if you or i stink it up at work we are damn sure gonna hear about it.
what makes athletes and coaches any different.

and enough about players and coaches knowing so much more than we do
because they've been doing it for so long and ya-da-ya-da-blah-blah-blah.
you don't have to be a master mechanic to diagnose a flat tire or a broken tail-lite.

SiddFinch1
11-10-2012, 09:05 AM
I have seen 4 sB wins and 1 sb disaster so I can't complain too much in the long run. But again on a game to game basis nothing wrong with wanting good play from the team.

Diamondring
11-10-2012, 09:24 AM
hey , i'm damn good at what i get paid for.....
but i have my bad days and the occasional mental fatigue.
but it doesn't go un-noticed and without admonishment.

those coaches and players aren't volunteer workers for some charity organization
they get payed to do a job just like you and me.
if you or i stink it up at work we are damn sure gonna hear about it.
what makes athletes and coaches any different.

and enough about players and coaches knowing so much more than we do
because they've been doing it for so long and ya-da-ya-da-blah-blah-blah.
you don't have to be a master mechanic to diagnose a flat tire or a broken tail-lite.This this this right hur

Flip Empty
11-10-2012, 09:27 AM
hey , i'm damn good at what i get paid for.....
but i have my bad days and the occasional mental fatigue.
but it doesn't go un-noticed and without admonishment.

those coaches and players aren't volunteer workers for some charity organization
they get payed to do a job just like you and me.
if you or i stink it up at work we are damn sure gonna hear about it.
what makes athletes and coaches any different.

and enough about players and coaches knowing so much more than we do
because they've been doing it for so long and ya-da-ya-da-blah-blah-blah.
you don't have to be a master mechanic to diagnose a flat tire or a broken tail-lite.
As a fan you're basically paying these guys, too.

FBomb
11-10-2012, 09:28 AM
This is the second thread on this subject and the answer is still "yes....we are spoiled".....so what? We expect our skilled players to play their best and when they don't we want to know why.

Calling for Eli, Coughlin, KG...etc...etc to be fired is just stupid threads made by stupid people.

Now, that being said, after all his public *****ing about his contract and getting a bonus for what will be his last year as a Giant....do you think Osi was worth hanging onto? I don't.

stormblue
11-10-2012, 09:41 AM
As a fan you're basically paying these guys, too.

damn right Flip...
we buy the gear and the beer and all the rest of the products that make the sponsors the
advertisement money to pay the networks that pay the NFL.
we line the owners' pockets with seating and parking ...NFL teams are cash cows
paid for by us.
we are well within our right to voice our concerns,

stormblue
11-10-2012, 09:51 AM
This is the second thread on this subject and the answer is still "yes....we are spoiled".....so what? We expect our skilled players to play their best and when they don't we want to know why.

Calling for Eli, Coughlin, KG...etc...etc to be fired is just stupid threads made by stupid people.

Now, that being said, after all his public *****ing about his contract and getting a bonus for what will be his last year as a Giant....do you think Osi was
worth hanging onto? I don't.

Osi was good when they had to keep a DT , TE , and a RB on Strahan....
that's what made Osi's career.
Tuck is not Strahan....Osi is nothing special without Strahan.
and despite what homers will say he absolutely sucks against the run and
can't tackle worth a ****.

brad
11-10-2012, 10:03 AM
I think some of the responses to this thread underscore what the Op was trying to say?

I too get upset when the team plays poorly, but I think the point was that we have become spoiled, expecting that our team should win every game and when they don't, blasting the players and coaches that won us a Super Bowl just a few months ago. My gut tells me that the majority of those that go over the top and start calling for players being benched/released, coaches being fired and even suggesting that Coughlin is too old and stubborn are primarily bandwagon fans that will eventually hang up their Giants jerseys and rush out to buy what they perceive to be the next great team jersey.... but for those of us who have rooted for the Giants through good times and bad, we should know better.

These past 5 years or so have had their ups and downs, but all in all have been among the best in Giants history. As a Giants fan I have been blessed to have watched my team in the Super Bowl 5 times (well for 4 of them anyway). Not many fans of other NFL teams can say that!

FBomb
11-10-2012, 10:14 AM
Osi was good when they had to keep a DT , TE , and a RB on Strahan....
that's what made Osi's career.
Tuck is not Strahan....Osi is nothing special without Strahan.
and despite what homers will say he absolutely sucks against the run and
can't tackle worth a ****.

I agree. Osi is overrated.

GMan-67
11-10-2012, 10:50 AM
exactly spoiled Yankees fans that somehow seem to believe we have a several $100M advantage over our opponents, guess again ... the NFL is all about parity, each team is equally talented, each payroll is equal and it's war out there ... no prancing around the bases after blooping one over a short porch

gulfcoastblue1
11-10-2012, 11:35 AM
Did i just read."if all we get out of it is two super bowls"

Die-Hard
11-10-2012, 12:41 PM
I think some of the responses to this thread underscore what the Op was trying to say?

I too get upset when the team plays poorly, but I think the point was that we have become spoiled, expecting that our team should win every game and when they don't, blasting the players and coaches that won us a Super Bowl just a few months ago. My gut tells me that the majority of those that go over the top and start calling for players being benched/released, coaches being fired and even suggesting that Coughlin is too old and stubborn are primarily bandwagon fans that will eventually hang up their Giants jerseys and rush out to buy what they perceive to be the next great team jersey.... but for those of us who have rooted for the Giants through good times and bad, we should know better.

These past 5 years or so have had their ups and downs, but all in all have been among the best in Giants history. As a Giants fan I have been blessed to have watched my team in the Super Bowl 5 times (well for 4 of them anyway). Not many fans of other NFL teams can say that!

Well said, and I agree

Too bad I'm not allowed to say it that way myself, being a Mod and all...:(

Rudyy
11-10-2012, 12:44 PM
But here's the thing, we are too talented to be playing this way.
I think it's stupid to think we should win every game, it's not going to happen.
But at least show some improvement, if fans don't see it then we get worried.

joemorrisforprez
11-10-2012, 01:05 PM
Are we becoming spoiled as giant fans? 6-3 and first in the division, coming off a super bowl and you would think we were 3-6....I think we have been spoiled by this team,quarterback,and coaches...Just try and appreciate it giant fans,it's hard sometimes, but one day this will be over.

Speaking as a Yankee and Giants fan......no.

Yankee fans are rightfully critical because the current roster is comprised of overpaid mercenaries who carry more about their incentive clauses than winning World Series. Someone like A-Rod wouldn't be comfortable with Coughlin as a coach, that's for sure.

Girardi needs to tighten **** up. Billy Martin would have taken a swing at A-Rod if he saw him flirting with two chippies during a loss.

joemorrisforprez
11-10-2012, 01:07 PM
Osi was good when they had to keep a DT , TE , and a RB on Strahan....
that's what made Osi's career.
Tuck is not Strahan....Osi is nothing special without Strahan.
and despite what homers will say he absolutely sucks against the run and
can't tackle worth a ****.

I agree....Osi is a one trick pony......the thing is, his one trick involves a combination sack and turnover....so if he makes one good play a week, it's usually money.

Still, I'm sick of seeing him on the field.....he should be a 3rd and long specialist at this point. Would much have Kiwi replace him on 1st/2nd and short yardage situations.

Toadofsteel
11-10-2012, 01:17 PM
It also seems to me like the team is playing like the yankees did this past year. All the established vets aside from the captain (Eli on the Giants or Jeter on the Yankees) seem to have stopped caring, and it's the former nobodies (Ibanez, Stevie) or a vet from Seattle (Locklear, Ichiro) that are carrying the team

Eliscruzzz
11-10-2012, 01:29 PM
I think everyone is a little pissed cause there was a good chance that we could've been 8-1 but bonehead plays and lack of production has us at 6-3. We should've won the Steelers game and Philly game but we didn't.

Rudyy
11-10-2012, 01:30 PM
I think everyone is a little pissed cause there was a good chance that we could've been 8-1 but bonehead plays and lack of production has us at 6-3. We should've won the Steelers game and Philly game but we didn't.Not to mention we should have beat Dallas at home but..stuff happens.

GiantRoc
11-10-2012, 01:35 PM
I don't normally care much about the Yankees. ( You should be the best when you out spend every team) . I don't think anyone expects the Giants to win every game. I don't even think we don't expect a bad game here and there. That said, this team has not played well in weeks. That's why I am upset. I am a football fan. I like to watch GOOD football. More than that I am a GIANTS FOOTBALL fan. I am a fan and a spectator. I and we watch these games to be entertained. When the product is bad, we are not happy. Let us vent our displeasure. It's what fans do. We sing praises and lament woes. 6-3 is OK, and Superbowls are great. As a fan I have to admit. I want it all. I want to see good play and championships. It has been a long time since the Giants have put it all together in a game. Thats what I want to see. Thats what I love to see on Sundays. THAT is why I watch football.

Die-Hard
11-10-2012, 02:41 PM
Please dont refer to a team as a "product"

They aren't for sale, and no one is trying to buy them. Calling them a product is an insult

Delicreep
11-10-2012, 02:44 PM
First off...baseball is not a sport*.

Secondly, I think the idea that most of us would like t see the Gmen look strong in the regular season and follow that up by looking strong in the playoffs is not out of line. A little regular season constancy would be a nice thing.

Thirdly, I am not sure I mean that. Recent history suggesting that the team that looks great all year in not going to win the SB is hard to miss. I think the phrase I read was the Giants see the regular season as "pre-playoffs" that don't count for much.

But c'mon...the season is short: I want as many great games as possible and as much dominance as can be had.








*Here's how you can tell: if, during the course of any given play, it is likely that 1/2 the players on the field could remain seated in lawn chairs and the play would be un-effected, then it is not sport (see poker)

gulfcoastblue1
11-10-2012, 02:53 PM
Everyone expects total dominace week in week ot. not gonna happen. i think those that expect thatare in someway looking for validation of our last two sb's because they are tired of hearinghow lucky or how nyg were not the best team.just enjoyvthis cause it will go the opposite way eventually

BlueBlooded1979
11-10-2012, 02:58 PM
I am glad the players don't have this attitude of mediocrity. 6-3 a nice winning record but considering it acceptable is good way to end up 6-4. Unless you are 9-0 after playing 9 games you can do better. Attaining perfection is not as important and striving for it.

Using the Yankees, as far as competitiveness and expectations go, as a derogatory analogy is flat out stupid. They expect to win and their fans expect to win. There are other teams in NFL that expect to win every year i.e. Steelers. I am glad to see this team in that position as opposed to teams that back off expectations once they have won.

ELI_HOF_NYG
11-10-2012, 03:05 PM
not even close,,yankees fans expect big name signings,,,the giants do not spend near the money the yankees do,,,if the giants have a position of need they draft or promote with in,,the yankees throw money at the problem, a practice I hope will change in the near future. the giants win a different way, the right way.

GiantRoc
11-10-2012, 03:50 PM
Please dont refer to a team as a "product"

They aren't for sale, and no one is trying to buy them. Calling them a product is an insult

Die-Hard, it was not meant to be an insult by any means. But it is a product. They are for sale every week. They sell this "product" to sponsers and fans every week. They gain revenue buy putting on a good game and attract people to buy team related items. Thats what draws sponsers to the games so we can see them on TV. Remember, "this is a business". We hear that said all the time. That is a reason why you rarely see the Bills, Browns, Raiders etc. on the big national and primetime games lately. They are bad teams and display a bad product Again, no insult intended.

GiantRoc
11-10-2012, 03:55 PM
not even close,,yankees fans expect big name signings,,,the giants do not spend near the money the yankees do,,,if the giants have a position of need they draft or promote with in,,the yankees throw money at the problem, a practice I hope will change in the near future. the giants win a different way, the right way.

Its the nature of the beast in baseball E_H_N. I think thats why football is the more popular. Its always the same teams in baseball because of the money, not because of coaches and talent scouts and GMs.

Die-Hard
11-10-2012, 09:12 PM
Die-Hard, it was not meant to be an insult by any means. But it is a product. They are for sale every week. They sell this "product" to sponsers and fans every week. They gain revenue buy putting on a good game and attract people to buy team related items. Thats what draws sponsers to the games so we can see them on TV. Remember, "this is a business". We hear that said all the time. That is a reason why you rarely see the Bills, Browns, Raiders etc. on the big national and primetime games lately. They are bad teams and display a bad product Again, no insult intended.

I understand your point, and it's valid, but calling a team a product has never sounded right to me. As a lifelong fan, they have always just been a group of guys fighting it out in the trenches together. Although you're right in the sense that it is in fact a business, it has never felt that way to me as a fan. The word "product" cheapens the entire feeling of the game IMO. It's such a cynical, negative connotation to describe the whole thing.

No offense is intended on my part, of course. Call it a pet peeve, I guess.

Pkyankfan69
11-10-2012, 10:15 PM
For me the Yankees are #1 and the Giants are #2. Year in and year our I expect more out of the Yankees, or at least expect them to much of consistently be in the mix for a championship (obviously that has a lot to do with respective salary caps in baseball and football.)... When I look at the next 5 years(ish) for both teams it is quite clear that the Giants have brighter future in the reasonable short term. Eli in his prime with major weapons along with Philly/Dallas a mess and Washington on the rise but needing quite a few pieces to take the net competitive step.

GiantGremlin
11-10-2012, 10:47 PM
Right now with whats left on our schedule we will be facing teams with anything from decent to horrid pass defenses. The best out of the bunch is Atlanta with a 13th ranked pass defense then at 14th(PHI), 19th(CIN), 20th(GB), 22nd(BAL), 29th(NO) and 31st(WAS).

Rush defenses of the remaining teams are mostly bad as well. Washington ranks 9th and Green Bay 10th but after that we face the 16th(PHI), 17th(CIN), 25th(ATL), 28th(BAL) and 32nd(NO). IF our defense can hold, all these games are extremely winnable.

As a Yankees fan, I really don't expect as much from the Giants than I do the Yankees. Where the Yankees have unlimited resources and no salary cap the Giants face more restrictions towards winning a championship and there isn't a wide margin from the bottom feeders and the top tier teams.

Let's not forget that our division is very subpar right now, and the rest of the teams all still have to play each other - 9 wins will be the magic # to win the division again this year, maybe even 8 if the Giants just simply took care of Wash & Philly & everyone else continued to knock each other off and lose most of their other games.