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blueblood42o
12-21-2011, 03:00 PM
ok ok i know. its BR. and its way too early to start mock drafting. but it brings me to my point, would you rather take the kid they say we take- zach brown from NC, got decent size, incredible speed 4.40, thats FAST for a 4-3 OLB. we could put him opposite boley, and have a nice tandem at OLB, and just move kiwi back to the line, hes played well this year but come on. put the kid where he belongs.

OR

do we take vontaze burfict?
i know hes a little nuts, but i think thats exactly what this team needs right now. someone that gives 1000 percent every play. someone that can take someones head off. i hear hes very quiet so IDK if he has leadership ablitiy, but man this guy is a flat beast. he can cover the TE, stop the run.

so, if the FO smartens up and these guys are available, which do you take?

blueblood42o
12-21-2011, 03:01 PM
forgot to post the link :)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/991286-tim-tebow-and-the-best-4th-quarter-qbs-of-all-time#/articles/987989-2012-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-three-round-predictions/page/28

repeatchamps
12-21-2011, 03:03 PM
ok ok i know. its BR. and its way too early to start mock drafting. but it brings me to my point, would you rather take the kid they say we take- zach brown from NC, got decent size, incredible speed 4.40, thats FAST for a 4-3 OLB. we could put him opposite boley, and have a nice tandem at OLB, and just move kiwi back to the line, hes played well this year but come on. put the kid where he belongs. OR do we take <U>vontaze burfict</U>? i know hes a little nuts, but i think thats exactly what this team needs right now. someone that gives 1000 percent every play. someone that can take someones head off. i hear hes very quiet so IDK if he has leadership ablitiy, but man this guy is a flat beast. he can cover the TE, stop the run. so, if the FO smartens up and these guys are available, which do you take?</P>


That dude is an animal and if he can be drafted when the Giants get a chance to pick they must do it without a 2nd thought.</P>

blueblood42o
12-21-2011, 03:11 PM
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=82059&draftyear=2012&genpos=OLB

scouting report on brown

Spizi
12-21-2011, 03:14 PM
Out of the 3 first round lb prospects, Kuechly is hands down a no brainer pick.

egyptian420
12-21-2011, 03:17 PM
Any 1st round LB would be great for us, they could join Boley and Goff and we can move Kiwi back to DE and get rid of Osi

daynemustgo
12-21-2011, 03:19 PM
This team draft a LB in the 1st round? I can only dream.

burier
12-21-2011, 03:27 PM
I dont know about either player but I don't want to hear about leadership ability.

You know how you lead? You commit mass murder every play. If we get rid of some of the lazy folks we have on roster and replace them with guys who have but 1 speed then we'll be much improved. I'm so sick of people on our team running their damn mouths and then getting there words jammed down their throats.

VBGiantsFan
12-21-2011, 03:33 PM
That Burfict guy is an absolute animal.

However, don't get your hopes up. This team loves Goff, and honestly he may have made a difference this year.

We'll go D-end first and 2nd round and draft a kicker in the 3rd.

repeatchamps
12-21-2011, 03:36 PM
That Burfict guy is an absolute animal. However, don't get your hopes up. This team loves Goff, and honestly he may have made a difference this year. We'll go D-end first and 2nd round and draft a kicker in the 3rd.</P>


He's a freak of nature. I'd have no problem rolling the dice with him and moving him to the outside. With that kind of freakish ability he would likely have little difficulty playing all 3 LB'er spots and being a force.</P>

burier
12-21-2011, 04:01 PM
Burfict's highlights show an effort guy which is what what we need.

its shocking how many plays you can make just by moving your ***.

TroyArcher
12-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Wit Resse's history drafting LB's I would prefer to sign a proven Free Agent LB and address the Offensive Line and secondary in the draft.

repeatchamps
12-21-2011, 04:07 PM
Wit Resse's history drafting LB's I would prefer to sign a proven Free Agent LB and address the Offensive Line and secondary in the draft.</P>


Sign one &amp;draft one.</P>

Raptor22
12-21-2011, 04:08 PM
Forget Andrew Luck, Vontaze Burfict is the most overhyped player in this year's draft.

Before everyone goes lusting after him (then roasting JR if they don't take him with their first round pick), go watch his 2011 game tape in the Film Room on the Draft Board.

Yes, he's a vicious hitter. Yes he's a physical freak.

Yes, he has low discipline, yes he has low football IQ, yes he played craptastically this season.

I don't care how nasty you are, or how hard you hit, if you're handing the opposing offense 75 yards in penalties, getting benched, ejected, or suspended, you are the offenses best weapon.

repeatchamps
12-21-2011, 04:10 PM
Forget Andrew Luck, Vontaze Burfict is the most overhyped player in this year's draft.

Before everyone goes lusting after him (then roasting JR if they don't take him with their first round pick), go watch his 2011 game tape in the Film Room on the Draft Board.

Yes, he's a vicious hitter. Yes he's a physical freak.

Yes, he has low discipline, yes he has low football IQ, yes he played craptastically this season.

I don't care how nasty you are, or how hard you hit, if you're handing the opposing offense 75 yards in penalties, getting benched, ejected, or suspended, you are the offenses best weapon.
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That stuff can be rectified in the NFL. It is a no brainer pick. If he is there, you take him.</P>

egyptian420
12-21-2011, 04:11 PM
I would actually rather us get a proven veteran like Curtis Lofton or Stephen Tulloch. We all saw what happened with Prince, don't get me wrong, the kid could be great some day, but he did nothing for our garbage of a secondary this year because of injuries and lack of training and whatnot.

I'd like a FA linebacker that can step in immediately and improve this horrible LB group.

JMFP2
12-21-2011, 04:14 PM
I think we take a new DC on the 2nd day of the offseason.

repeatchamps
12-21-2011, 04:14 PM
I would actually rather us get a proven veteran like Curtis Lofton or Stephen Tulloch. We all saw what happened with Prince, don't get me wrong, the kid could be great some day, but he did nothing for our garbage of a secondary this year because of injuries and lack of training and whatnot.

I'd like a FA linebacker that can step in immediately and improve this horrible LB group.
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That is fine. I am all for a Tulloch type but additionally, I am also all for drafting a beast LB'er like Burfict if available in the 1st roundwhen the Giants would pick.</P>

blueblood42o
12-21-2011, 04:23 PM
that sounds like burfict in a nutshell...

JesseJames
12-21-2011, 04:39 PM
after the season we've had and with the LBing play we've been getting from these guys I would be appalled if Reese didn't go early for a LBer, he has to see what we see and know what we need and thats the part that scares me with Reese, he does the opposite of what we think..

sunsgiants
12-21-2011, 05:11 PM
Disregarding Kiwi and Boley, most of our LBs are very green. I wouldn't write them off so soon, I'd give them another season to see what they can really do. Not a lot of rookies did well without training camp and OTAs. I think we got pretty good value for JWill at weakside. For a rookie, he's holding his own behind Boley. Herzlich can be pretty solid at SAM behind Kiwi. Greg Jones has been thrust into a position where he wasn't ready so I'd give him some time. When Goff comes back, hopefully he'll be able to guide Jones in the right direction. There's also Paysinger but I think he'll remain a ST guy. But man oh man, Burfict looks like a beast. Drafting him would definitely give that fire we lack in the LB corps. He'd probably also give Goff and Jones a run for their money. I think he'd definitely make for an interesting training camp.

BlueBlooded1979
12-21-2011, 05:39 PM
Forget Andrew Luck, Vontaze Burfict is the most overhyped player in this year's draft.

Before everyone goes lusting after him (then roasting JR if they don't take him with their first round pick), go watch his 2011 game tape in the Film Room on the Draft Board.

Yes, he's a vicious hitter. Yes he's a physical freak.

Yes, he has low discipline, yes he has low football IQ, yes he played craptastically this season.

I don't care how nasty you are, or how hard you hit, if you're handing the opposing offense 75 yards in penalties, getting benched, ejected, or suspended, you are the offenses best weapon.
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That stuff can be rectified in the NFL. It is a no brainer pick. If he is there, you take him.</P>

These things are not easily correctable if correctable at all.

Guys who lack discipline and football intelligence are going to struggle with the transition to the NFL.

Do you think they are going to put the time in the film room like AP did ? Would it really matter if they are a mental midget ? How the heck is a guy like that supposed to run the defense ?

How long is a guy going to stay on the field if he is giving away first downs with stupid behavior?
He has been a problem for AZ since he got there and hasn't matured 1 iota. Look at his last game and what transpired there. He may not even play in their bowl game.

Vicious hitters are a less valuable than ever in the NFL. The rules protecting offensive players make big hitters a liability instead of an asset.

MattMeyerBud
12-21-2011, 06:15 PM
ok ok i know. its BR. and its way too early to start mock drafting. but it brings me to my point, would you rather take the kid they say we take- zach brown from NC, got decent size, incredible speed 4.40, thats FAST for a 4-3 OLB. we could put him opposite boley, and have a nice tandem at OLB, and just move kiwi back to the line, hes played well this year but come on. put the kid where he belongs.

OR

do we take vontaze burfict?
i know hes a little nuts, but i think thats exactly what this team needs right now. someone that gives 1000 percent every play. someone that can take someones head off. i hear hes very quiet so IDK if he has leadership ablitiy, but man this guy is a flat beast. he can cover the TE, stop the run.

so, if the FO smartens up and these guys are available, which do you take?

we'll see whose left when we draft and who we cut, resign, and sign as a FA.

Why even bother looking at something like that with a million different variables that can change between then and now

Vtgmenfan89
12-21-2011, 06:56 PM
Well reese will draft the highest person left on Kiper's board. Sooo I don't know. Burfict is projected to ve a very high pick last I heard, so may not be there. I love the guy from NC though, great LB who can pass rush, stuff the run and play the pass. Exactly what we need. I think it would be a great pick up

G-Men Surg.
12-21-2011, 06:58 PM
I think we take a new DC on the 2nd day of the offseason.
ROFL !

Robert21156
12-21-2011, 10:41 PM
I dont know about either player but I don't want to hear about leadership ability.

You know how you lead? You commit mass murder every play. If we get rid of some of the lazy folks we have on roster and replace them with guys who have but 1 speed then we'll be much improved. I'm so sick of people on our team running their damn mouths and then getting there words jammed down their throats.
So in other words, we should draft Patrick Willis. Lord, If only our front office could IDENTIFY which LB might have that kind of potential. He brings the wood on EVERY play and backs and receivers remember it when he lays a lick on them. Sadly I can't remember when we had someone who would lay anybody out, but the good news, as another poster said, is that we're sure not drawing any fines for tackling too hard!

Robert21156
12-21-2011, 10:42 PM
I think we take a new DC on the 2nd day of the offseason.
ROFL !
Why the delay?

myles2424
12-22-2011, 03:23 AM
Some seem to forget, we need two Lbs.....I think draft & FA is a must.....
I know some are on his jock but goff has done nothing to be considered a guy that automatically has a starting gig as soon as he's healthy,he needs to prove himself still.....and kiwi needs to be back at DE,enough of the experiment......
Herzlich,williams,paysinger, these guys could be quality players one day, but it would be a huge gamble & mistake to assume one of these guys will step it up in 2012.....

JesseJames
12-22-2011, 10:35 AM
Some seem to forget, we need two Lbs.....I think draft & FA is a must.....
I know some are on his jock but goff has done nothing to be considered a guy that automatically has a starting gig as soon as he's healthy,he needs to prove himself still.....and kiwi needs to be back at DE,enough of the experiment......
Herzlich,williams,paysinger, these guys could be quality players one day, but it would be a huge gamble & mistake to assume one of these guys will step it up in 2012.....

agreed, we need to draft a LBer early and bring in a quality FA , I haven't seen what others see in Goff because IMO he just looked better because every one else was so bad. If we take the approach that these young LBers we have will suddenly step up and play at a starting level and they don't then we're screwed all over again for another season..

tonyt830
12-22-2011, 11:05 AM
I can actually se Burflict falling into the 2nd rd. His production has dropped some this year and of course he does have the temper problem/lack of self-control that can cost a team many 15 yard penalties or the possibility of ejections/suspensions.</P>


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The only backer I would want to hear their name called in Rd 1 would be Luke Kuechly to the New York Giants. Maybe throw the Brown kid from Carolina in that conversation as well. </P>


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If they are both gone, I say move on to another position of need O-line.</P>

thegreatone
12-22-2011, 11:27 AM
burfict has too many ?'s for my taste. teo and keuchley would be better prospects imo. There are a lot of factors though like will TC return and if he doesnt will reese and the new HC see eye to eye on our current LBr's and their potential. i would rather get a mid round lbr like spence in the 3rd or carder in the 5th. i wouldnt mind keuchley at all though

BlueSanta
12-22-2011, 01:51 PM
Burfict in NYC would be a very bad thing.

He has too much trouble controlling himself, the media here would eat him alive.

I am also not convinced he is that good on the field anyways. Remember, your talking about a kid who has been benched on more than 1 occasion this season.

deekay7685
12-23-2011, 11:27 AM
if we took Brown would Boley be an affective SLB?
i was thinking of resigning Goff (should be inexpensive), drafting a pure SLB like Keenan Robinson in the 3rd round (UTexas) and leaving Boley at WLB while grooming JWilliams there. Kiwi back to DE and trade Osi.

NYG_88
12-23-2011, 12:06 PM
If the Giants take Brown most people I have talked to say move Boley to MLB but could he be productive and effective like he is at WLB?

blueomaha
12-23-2011, 12:10 PM
just a look...http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=eneI982oLQg