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njg85m
11-29-2012, 11:42 PM
Fair is fair.


/That is all.

Parademon
11-29-2012, 11:53 PM
Nah, they'll just say he had an off night. Though he also did throw 2 pick 6s a few days ago vs SF as well. 7 picks in 2 games & his TD streak ended as well. Hope we can keep it going when we play them after the Skins.

Broadway Blue
11-30-2012, 12:08 AM
Eveybody has bad games and it won't happen since his name is Drew Brees

giantyankee1976
11-30-2012, 07:13 AM
I actually felt embarrassed for him...he is still one of the best in my eyes.

Toadofsteel
11-30-2012, 08:14 AM
The problem is that Drew Brees doesn't form part of the word "elite"...


Though to be fair, this is the front page image at nfl.com:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2012/11/29/0ap1000000103074.jpg

It looks like he's getting, uhh, you know...

Ntegrase96
11-30-2012, 10:41 AM
The grass is always greener...

A lot of Saints fans feel like it's horse crap that Rodgers is consistently placed ahead of Brees, and it took way longer for Brees to earn the title of 'Elite' than it should have taken.

That said, Eli had a fantastic year last year but so far he is not following up with a strong year. He's not having a much better year than Romo and Romo has been awful. Combine that with his rather average performances in years past and it's easy to understand why Eli is questioned as elite.

Giants5699
11-30-2012, 10:46 AM
The grass is always greener...

A lot of Saints fans feel like it's horse crap that Rodgers is consistently placed ahead of Brees, and it took way longer for Brees to earn the title of 'Elite' than it should have taken.

That said, Eli had a fantastic year last year but so far he is not following up with a strong year. He's not having a much better year than Romo and Romo has been awful. Combine that with his rather average performances in years past and it's easy to understand why Eli is questioned as elite.

He's having a much better year than Romo. Eli has yet to single handedly lose us a football game.

Ntegrase96
11-30-2012, 10:56 AM
He's having a much better year than Romo. Eli has yet to single handedly lose us a football game.

Eh fair enough. But would you agree it's not exactly a strong season for Eli thus far?

TheAnalyst
11-30-2012, 11:43 AM
I like Drew Brees and I feel he is one of the best in the NFL.

When you want to look at INTs though, you also have to look at TDs and Yards, which he leads the league in both categories as well. In fact, he is the Triple Crown leader right now in TDs INTs and Yards.

TheAnalyst
11-30-2012, 11:44 AM
Eh fair enough. But would you agree it's not exactly a strong season for Eli thus far?

He was having a great year till that 3 game stretch of 0 TDs. Id say he is having a average year right now. But he could turn it all around again if he is hot again down the stretch.

Ntegrase96
11-30-2012, 12:13 PM
He was having a great year till that 3 game stretch of 0 TDs. Id say he is having a average year right now. But he could turn it all around again if he is hot again down the stretch.

That's what I'm getting at. He could definitely turn it around, but at the same time he's been average to below average for the majority of his career and is average, so far, this year. That's why there is all the speculation.

He's not having a bad year by any stretch... as you've put it, 'average' would probably the most appropriate word. He has one game with 500+ yards, but those are balanced out by the sub 200 yard games. And I mean balanced out in the most literal sense.

Overall, currently Eli is having a typical Eli year... around 250 yards passing per game, about 1.1 ints per game, on about 34-35 attempts per game, which has been pretty congruent with his average over the last few years (since he started airing it out in 2008). The only thing that isn't matching up is the TD totals, but I expect those should balance out toward the end of the year.

Every QB has bad games, even the elites. Eli shouldn't be criticized for his bad games since all QBs have them. However, his average numbers this year aren't out of the ordinary, which is why many still question whether or not he's elite.

GentleGiant
11-30-2012, 03:28 PM
The grass is always greener...

A lot of Saints fans feel like it's horse crap that Rodgers is consistently placed ahead of Brees, and it took way longer for Brees to earn the title of 'Elite' than it should have taken.

That said, Eli had a fantastic year last year but so far he is not following up with a strong year. He's not having a much better year than Romo and Romo has been awful. Combine that with his rather average performances in years past and it's easy to understand why Eli is questioned as elite. You realize just a few weeks ago people were saying he should have been mvp?

njg85m
11-30-2012, 03:34 PM
Just to summarize for nte and others.

The entire point of the thread is that after Eli's 2nd SB MVP the 'experts' finally had to concede that Eli was in fact "Elite" after the thrashing they gave him the entire last year. Yet, all it took were 2 bad games in a row from Eli before the same people who wound up looking like total morons after SB46 started right back up with the same crap. How eli is in no way "Elite", is 'average', "can't make plays", etc, etc.

I'm just saying now that after 2 straight bad games by Brees they should be applying the same logic to avoid looking like the partisan hacks that they are.

Broadway Blue
11-30-2012, 03:58 PM
I think Brees is going bounce back next season

Eliscruzzz
11-30-2012, 05:41 PM
You realize just a few weeks ago people were saying he should have been mvp?no he doesn't just a chance to diss Eli...the fact remains Eli could wind up throwing for 30-tds and 11 ints by the end of this year and he still won't get any credit but who cares what a Dallas fan thinks or the media for that matter. The guy has won us 2 sb and that is all I can askfor.

bigblue58
11-30-2012, 05:41 PM
Fair is fair.


/That is all.

The year that Eli was being trashed for throwing 25 picks, Brees had 22..... and nobody mentioned that either!

Redskins4eva
11-30-2012, 07:02 PM
C'mon everyone knows that Brees isnt Elite after last night.

Elite Quarterbacks never throw interceptions.
Elite running backs never fumble
Elite WR's never drop passes
Elite basketball players never score less than 30 points
Elite baseball hitters never strike out
Elite pitchers never give up homeruns.

Yea, I'm pretty sure Brees is still elite after last night.

Eliscruzzz
11-30-2012, 07:08 PM
C'mon everyone knows that Brees isnt Elite after last night.

Elite Quarterbacks never throw interceptions.
Elite running backs never fumble
Elite WR's never drop passes
Elite basketball players never score less than 30 points
Elite baseball hitters never strike out
Elite pitchers never give up homeruns.

Yea, I'm pretty sure Brees is still elite after last night.umm.... who said he wasn't???

Ntegrase96
12-01-2012, 10:21 AM
no he doesn't just a chance to diss Eli...the fact remains Eli could wind up throwing for 30-tds and 11 ints by the end of this year and he still won't get any credit but who cares what a Dallas fan thinks or the media for that matter. The guy has won us 2 sb and that is all I can askfor.

I'm not dissing Eli... so hostile, you are

Ntegrase96
12-01-2012, 10:23 AM
You realize just a few weeks ago people were saying he should have been mvp?

Yeah I remember. He was playing very well and the Giants were atop the standings. Also, most other QBs and players were having poor performances. It's a week to week league.

Ntegrase96
12-01-2012, 10:24 AM
Just to summarize for nte and others.

The entire point of the thread is that after Eli's 2nd SB MVP the 'experts' finally had to concede that Eli was in fact "Elite" after the thrashing they gave him the entire last year. Yet, all it took were 2 bad games in a row from Eli before the same people who wound up looking like total morons after SB46 started right back up with the same crap. How eli is in no way "Elite", is 'average', "can't make plays", etc, etc.

I'm just saying now that after 2 straight bad games by Brees they should be applying the same logic to avoid looking like the partisan hacks that they are.

I see your point. However, most people that criticize Eli think that last year was an anomaly. So far in his career he hasn't done much to prove otherwise. Hence the debate whether or not he's elite.

Delicreep
12-01-2012, 10:41 AM
I see your point. However, most people that criticize Eli think that last year was an anomaly. So far in his career he hasn't done much to prove otherwise. Hence the debate whether or not he's elite.

So...your basically saying, "if you don't count the accomplishments in Eli's career, then he hasn't accomplished anything".

Did I get that right?

SackingMyths
12-01-2012, 01:09 PM
Is there a huge gap between Romo and Eli? Definitely not. But there is one and it's not based on stats.

Take the previous NYG/WASH game as "Exhibit A" of what separates the two...

With the game on the line, Eli hits Cruz for the game winning TD. No one was, at all, surprised. Given the same opportunity, Romo typically throws a pick. Romo may be a better QB in quarters 1-3 and pile up gaudy #s. But in the 4th quarter -- when it matters most -- there's just no comparison.

THAT is why Eli is in the "elite" conversation and Romo is not.

SackingMyths
12-01-2012, 01:16 PM
As for Brees? He's the NFLs "Golden Boy" and can do no wrong. His O-Line has kept him untouched for years and now that it isn't, he's showing that he's not perfect.

And let's be real--he's had an embarrassment of riches in SD and NO. LT ... Turner ... Sproles ... Gates to Colston ... Sproles ... McAllister ... Graham ... Thomas. He's never lacked for an obscene amount of offensive talent around him.

That and he's smug and overly arrogant. I don't know why so many people don't see that.

Ntegrase96
12-01-2012, 01:23 PM
So...your basically saying, "if you don't count the accomplishments in Eli's career, then he hasn't accomplished anything".

Did I get that right?

No. I'm saying critics don't perceive Eli to be elite based on his career. I think he's done a lot to justify the title of elite from the media, but his god awful early career combined with some if his more pedestrian seasons isn't going to be erased by his one phenomenal season. Especially when he's not having as strong of a season so far this year. You just can't get upset about that... He's capable of elite play but he's seen as inconsistent amongst his peers.

giantyankee1976
12-01-2012, 01:40 PM
I mean homer or not, Eli's been to 2 SB's and got victories...

and Romo ?

no debate.

Ntegrase96
12-01-2012, 01:45 PM
I mean homer or not, Eli's been to 2 SB's and got victories...

and Romo ?

no debate.

I knew I shouldn't have typed the word Romo in this thread. Romo is not elite, for sure.

Rusty192
12-01-2012, 01:54 PM
I knew I shouldn't have typed the word Romo in this thread. Romo is not elite, for sure.So are you caught in the position on your fans boards where you are constantly defending Romo? You are always advocating him on here, which I gotta say, I admire. Most Giants fans I see on rival fans boards trash our QB more than they do....

Eliscruzzz
12-01-2012, 03:37 PM
I'm not dissing Eli... so hostile, you arenot at all hostile just sick of people saying Eli has to have 25 td to be a elite qb....when they don't know the whole story. How many times has he got down in the redzone and they decided to run the ball in?? Not saying he has been perfect this year but his numbers don't tell the whole story of how he played. Also why would anyone care what a Dallas fan thinks about our qb is beyond me.

Eliscruzzz
12-01-2012, 03:41 PM
I see your point. However, most people that criticize Eli think that last year was an anomaly. So far in his career he hasn't done much to prove otherwise. Hence the debate whether or not he's elite.This is what I'm talking about right here....just because he doesn't have the stats he had last year so now it's an anomaly and his elite tag should be taken away???? Pretty lame I really don't know any other qbs that have 2 rings in the league besides two others.

miked1958
12-01-2012, 03:54 PM
Eveybody has bad games and it won't happen since his name is Drew Breesyes but he followed up a game where he had two INTs go back to the house with a 5Int 0td game.. So I think something should be said lol

Eliscruzzz
12-01-2012, 03:56 PM
If Eli threw 5 ints in one game he would get ripped to shreds.

Parademon
12-01-2012, 09:12 PM
If Eli threw 5 ints in one game he would get ripped to shreds.

That's a fact!

Eliscruzzz
12-01-2012, 09:59 PM
That's a fact!It sad isn't it....smh. Giants fans are so worried about being an un-baised fan that they just rip Eli like everyone else does. I can care less what other fans think or the media but our own fans??? I've seen people stick up for RG3 on this board more then I have ever seen them stick up for Eli. Pretty pathetic....

TheAnalyst
12-03-2012, 11:51 AM
That's what I'm getting at. He could definitely turn it around, but at the same time he's been average to below average for the majority of his career and is average, so far, this year. That's why there is all the speculation.



And that is where you lose me. Average to blelow average the majority of his career? Early on he was struggling, yes, but he has been above average since his 2007 superbowl run. Are you telling me you would have 15-16 other QBs other then Eli during his career? Really?

He is playing average this year, because he is elite one game and bad the next. Last year he was the reason they won a superbowl, no matter what people think. It was all on his shoulders and he delivered. His 1,219 yards is an NFL record for a single postseason, and his 9TDs to 1 INT is pretty damn good as well. Im not sure many other QBs can do that in the postseason against the best teams in the NFL. Average he is not.

Ntegrase96
12-03-2012, 01:56 PM
And that is where you lose me. Average to blelow average the majority of his career? Early on he was struggling, yes, but he has been above average since his 2007 superbowl run. Are you telling me you would have 15-16 other QBs other then Eli during his career? Really?

He is playing average this year, because he is elite one game and bad the next. Last year he was the reason they won a superbowl, no matter what people think. It was all on his shoulders and he delivered. His 1,219 yards is an NFL record for a single postseason, and his 9TDs to 1 INT is pretty damn good as well. Im not sure many other QBs can do that in the postseason against the best teams in the NFL. Average he is not.


Fair enough, you raise a good point. Maybe 'average' wasn't the right word. I wouldn't have taken 15-16 QBs over Eli any of those years, for sure.

Ntegrase96
12-03-2012, 02:01 PM
So are you caught in the position on your fans boards where you are constantly defending Romo? You are always advocating him on here, which I gotta say, I admire. Most Giants fans I see on rival fans boards trash our QB more than they do....

I've advocated him in the past, but to me it seems he's on the decline so I've held off on defending him lately. Overall I try to keep it as real as possible with Romo, or the Cowboys in general for that matter, whether that means criticizing him or supporting him.

I'll defend him when the criticisms are outrageous or just plain inaccurate, and I'll weather absurd claims when some homer tries to compare him with Brees or in one case even Eli.