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Giantamy
12-04-2012, 10:18 AM
QB2 David Carr... he's done
RB2 David Wilson must play and re-sign Andre Brown cheap
WR tender 1 year to Victor Cruz
TE re-sign M. Bennett and Pascoe
T Draft first round pick + re-sign Beatty (cut Diehl) don't re-sign Locklear... groom Mosley and McCants
G Draft a guard in round 5 and re-sign Boothe
DE let osi go... draft round 2
DT let bernard and rogers go
ILB re-sign Blackburn
OLB draft round 3
CB draft round 4 cut Terrell Thomas
FS re-sign K. Phillips and Stevie Brown
K re-sign Tynes

do we have the cap?

Draft
round 1 = T
round 2 = DE
round 3 = OLB
round 4 = CB
round 5 = G
round 6 = QB
round 7 = best available

Am I blind?

teaneck
12-04-2012, 11:53 AM
Why do you think DC is done? I mean to me he would be a starter anywhere else. Or not anywhere else, probably oakland or arizona, jacksonville, or tampa bay. But we just resigned him... if we let him go it will be to make cap room and we will bump up RP. All of these moves are assuming that no other players want restructured contracts..... so yeah this is a pretty good model. But you're making too many blind assumptions as well!

paulj
12-10-2012, 05:13 PM
I agree that we need more OL. Two picks one inside G/C and one outside T/G.
We are grooming Brewer as RT, McCants as LT, Mosley at G. I would resign Locklear cut DD.

I think we need another cover CB. We have Webster but he seems to have lost a step as he has been beaten alot this year?
WE have Prince and Hosley who areboth learning. WE need another good cover corner. We should have 5 CBs total.

We are set at safety with Phillps, Rolle, Brown Will Hill and Tyler Sash!!!! Total DBs =10 including 5 CBs.

We need a run stuffing DT to compliment Joseph and Canty. Im disappointed with Marvin Austin. He looks out of shape and slow.

I would return Kiwi to the DE rotation along with rookie Ojomo(=new Osi) who looked good in pre season.

I would draft an OLB with speed and a MLB.

If we can afford NY Jets TE Dustin Keller via FA if he comes cheap, he would be another weapon on offense that would open things up for our WRs and RBs. He would be another Jason Witten type TE. The Giants were going to draft him but the Jets moved up and took him. He is having an average year so he may come cheap? He would complement M Bennett.

CB
DT
OLB
MLB
OL
OL
RB

Redeyejedi
12-11-2012, 10:39 AM
I agree that we need more OL. Two picks one inside G/C and one outside T/G.
We are grooming Brewer as RT, McCants as LT, Mosley at G. I would resign Locklear cut DD.

I think we need another cover CB. We have Webster but he seems to have lost a step as he has been beaten alot this year?
WE have Prince and Hosley who areboth learning. WE need another good cover corner. We should have 5 CBs total.

We are set at safety with Phillps, Rolle, Brown Will Hill and Tyler Sash!!!! Total DBs =10 including 5 CBs.

We need a run stuffing DT to compliment Joseph and Canty. Im disappointed with Marvin Austin. He looks out of shape and slow.

I would return Kiwi to the DE rotation along with rookie Ojomo(=new Osi) who looked good in pre season.

I would draft an OLB with speed and a MLB.

If we can afford NY Jets TE Dustin Keller via FA if he comes cheap, he would be another weapon on offense that would open things up for our WRs and RBs. He would be another Jason Witten type TE. The Giants were going to draft him but the Jets moved up and took him. He is having an average year so he may come cheap? He would complement M Bennett.

CB
DT
OLB
MLB
OL
OL
RB
No Defensive End I think thats the biggest need by far.

BlueSanta
12-11-2012, 04:36 PM
No Defensive End I think thats the biggest need by far.


This.

I also think its crazy to go into a draft with an assigned position you will draft in every round. That just completely eliminates value from the equation and we dont do that(nobody does)

That said, I agree with your point about our needs.

rainierjef
12-11-2012, 04:45 PM
Just a Question Red. Do you have any hope in Ojomo/Tracy to step up or is DE an absolute need in he draft. I think DT is a major priority.

paulj
12-11-2012, 09:21 PM
[QUOTE=BlueSanta;615360]This.

I also think its crazy to go into a draft with an assigned position you will draft in every round. That just completely eliminates value from the equation and we dont do that(nobody does)

I am only stating what i believe are the positions of need, not necessarily the specific rounds to draft them. It will depend on the players on the board when we pick. With that said, I believe the positions we need are in my list.

I think Kiwi returns as DE. I think Tracey and Ojomo will go into the DE rotation, along with Tuck and JPP. Thats 5 DEs.
This iswehy we should focus on true LBs, one ML>B and one OLB with speed.

slipknottin
12-11-2012, 10:29 PM
I dont know why people expect so much from Ojomo and Tracy, coaches watch them every day in practice, if either of them was a great stud, they would get playing time in games. Tracy gets an occasional snap once in awhile, Ojomo isnt even active.

Osi is gone, Kiwi is a decent rotation guy, Tuck is a shell, and Ojomo and Tracy have done nothing outside of preseason.

rainierjef
12-12-2012, 12:08 AM
I dont know why people expect so much from Ojomo and Tracy, coaches watch them every day in practice, if either of them was a great stud, they would get playing time in games. Tracy gets an occasional snap once in awhile, Ojomo isnt even active.

Osi is gone, Kiwi is a decent rotation guy, Tuck is a shell, and Ojomo and Tracy have done nothing outside of preseason.

I can say the same for any prospect coming in, even a high pick. you never know what you get until you see production. I personally don't understand the need to get a DE in the first round when there are clearly other pressing needs. A re-tooling of the personnel on defense might solve out DE issue, if we even do have one. I think teams are just better schemed to handle out pass rush, yes at some point its beat the man in front of you, but also coverage breakdowns, quick passes, there are other factors than just the DE's are horrible.

slipknottin
12-12-2012, 12:17 AM
Apart from JPP which De on this team is a dominant pass rusher that will be here next season?

rainierjef
12-12-2012, 03:08 AM
Apart from JPP which De on this team is a dominant pass rusher that will be here next season?
I think Kiwi can fit the bill if need be.
Tuck is declining I know and people have figured out just run the ball to Osi's side. What I am saying Is, if our corners would hold their coverages then we get more coverage sacks/pressure rather than relying on the straight line speed or overwhelming power of our DE's. I agree a good pass rush is the key to victory, but mediocre LBs or a poor secondary plays into the D-Line's woes as well.

I just don't know if a DE in the first round is the best option with the other needs we have.

Redeyejedi
12-12-2012, 08:04 AM
Just a Question Red. Do you have any hope in Ojomo/Tracy to step up or is DE an absolute need in he draft. I think DT is a major priority. i think the best they could be is Tollefson

Redeyejedi
12-12-2012, 08:06 AM
Just a Question Red. Do you have any hope in Ojomo/Tracy to step up or is DE an absolute need in he draft. I think DT is a major priority. i think the best they could be is a Tollefson type. DT is a need as well because Austin busted. i do like Kuhn and Hendricks as back ups though

Redeyejedi
12-12-2012, 08:24 AM
I think Kiwi can fit the bill if need be.
Tuck is declining I know and people have figured out just run the ball to Osi's side. What I am saying Is, if our corners would hold their coverages then we get more coverage sacks/pressure rather than relying on the straight line speed or overwhelming power of our DE's. I agree a good pass rush is the key to victory, but mediocre LBs or a poor secondary plays into the D-Line's woes as well.

I just don't know if a DE in the first round is the best option with the other needs we have.Kiwi is not an elite pass rusher. U put another DE on the other side of JPP u will see how quickly everything falls into place. Tuck provides nothing in terms of pass rush. The Giants have proved this formula works dont see why they should change it

nycsportzfan
12-12-2012, 10:47 AM
Kiwi is not an elite pass rusher. U put another DE on the other side of JPP u will see how quickly everything falls into place. Tuck provides nothing in terms of pass rush. The Giants have proved this formula works dont see why they should change it Ur completely correct.. I mock guys who are not DE's, but i'd put guys like Ez Ansah and Alex Okafor at the top of the wish list, just thinking about our 2 titles and that philosophy of rushing the passer.. We really do need to get a young stud opposite JPP, so we don't waste these prime yrs of his..

The only way i'm gonna be happy not getting a DE in RD 1, is if theres incredible value or we plan on getting a Tank Carradine or someone like that in RD 2.. OSI is half of what he used to be as a pass rusher, and Tuck is spent as a pass rusher(only has moments now), and Tracy and Ojomo are probably only back end rotation guys...etc That said, we need another stout DE to pair with JPP, and sooner rather then later...

I wouldent be against drafting a guy in the 1st or 2nd, and possibly grabbing another upside DE in the 4th-6th range, to try and groom also...

Redeyejedi
12-12-2012, 10:56 AM
Ur completely correct.. I mock guys who are not DE's, but i'd put guys like Ez Ansah and Alex Okafor at the top of the wish list, just thinking about our 2 titles and that philosophy of rushing the passer.. We really do need to get a young stud opposite JPP, so we don't waste these prime yrs of his..

The only way i'm gonna be happy not getting a DE in RD 1, is if theres incredible value or we plan on getting a Tank Carradine or someone like that in RD 2.. OSI is half of what he used to be as a pass rusher, and Tuck is spent as a pass rusher(only has moments now), and Tracy and Ojomo are probably only back end rotation guys...etc That said, we need another stout DE to pair with JPP, and sooner rather then later...

I wouldent be against drafting a guy in the 1st or 2nd, and possibly grabbing another upside DE in the 4th-6th range, to try and groom also... Personally I think we need 2 defensive ends. 1 every down guy like an Okafor Ansah then maybe a edge rusher for 3rd downs as well.

rainierjef
12-12-2012, 01:35 PM
Here's my thing! and I have been limited in my knowledege of the Pass rushers this upcoming draft, I plan on catching up in janurary when all the numbers are finalized and RED!!! chronological organizes the film on here :)
Who is actually worth a bottom first grade? I would assume the top 5 are gone before 20. and thats
1. Dion Jordan
2. Bjoern Werner
3. Sam Montgomery
4. Alex Okafor
5. Ezekiel Ansah
So we were talking about Mingo and how limited his ceiling might be at the next level, you also have Carradine and Moore who to me are 2nd rounders.
Whos worth that selection in the first at where we will be selecting?

slipknottin
12-12-2012, 04:36 PM
Dion Jordan is a strange type of player. 6'7 and 240 pounds, he is extremely athletic, but is he a DE? Can he gain another 30 or so pounds and keep his athleticism?

And is he even a capable consistent pass rusher? Hes a bit hit or miss now, but perhaps that is a development thing?


Werner I think may be the true top DE in this class. Chris Long type prospect (not because hes white), but he is going to be average to good at the combine. But he does everything well on the field. Uses everything he has well, power, quickness, counter moves, plays the run well.

Montgomery translates better as a 3-4 DE, he is not that much of a pure edge rusher, more technique and power, and he can probably put on enough weight to play at 285-290.

Mingo is easily the best pure athlete in terms of explosion, the ability to change directions. But he is allergic to contact. He tries to run around OTs, once they get a hold of him he has absolutely nothing. Doesnt translate his burst into power at all. Perhaps a lot of that is coaching but then again, maybe not. But LSU doesnt seem to do a very good job of getting the most out of their DL. Brockers for instance is already a better player than he ever was at LSU. Mingo potentially has massive upside, but its just as easy to project him to never do anything. I would guess he would blow up the combine.

Ansah I think may be the second best DE (in terms of being pro ready, at least). Hes 6'5 270, with room to grow, has a huge wingspan, was a former track guy. So he certainly has the measurables. He certainly converts his burst into power, and is fully capable of driving back a blocker (occasionally two) into the QB. To me, I dont see him bend around the corner and get under the OTs often, which I am honestly curious if he can improve upon. He does play high a lot which may factor in, but which college DL dont do that.

Okafor I have not watched, I do not care for Texas, lol.


I still very much like Lemonier, who reminds me a lot of a younger Osi, lighter weight guy, but very fast off the snap, and has a great motor. May never be a great all around DE, but as a pass rush specialist he could be invaluable, especially as a guy who can chase down some of the quicker QBs the giants have to deal with. I think he might be there for the giants in the 2nd if he declares.

Redeyejedi
12-12-2012, 08:19 PM
Dion Jordan is a strange type of player. 6'7 and 240 pounds, he is extremely athletic, but is he a DE? Can he gain another 30 or so pounds and keep his athleticism?

And is he even a capable consistent pass rusher? Hes a bit hit or miss now, but perhaps that is a development thing?


Werner I think may be the true top DE in this class. Chris Long type prospect (not because hes white), but he is going to be average to good at the combine. But he does everything well on the field. Uses everything he has well, power, quickness, counter moves, plays the run well.

Montgomery translates better as a 3-4 DE, he is not that much of a pure edge rusher, more technique and power, and he can probably put on enough weight to play at 285-290.

Mingo is easily the best pure athlete in terms of explosion, the ability to change directions. But he is allergic to contact. He tries to run around OTs, once they get a hold of him he has absolutely nothing. Doesnt translate his burst into power at all. Perhaps a lot of that is coaching but then again, maybe not. But LSU doesnt seem to do a very good job of getting the most out of their DL. Brockers for instance is already a better player than he ever was at LSU. Mingo potentially has massive upside, but its just as easy to project him to never do anything. I would guess he would blow up the combine.

Ansah I think may be the second best DE (in terms of being pro ready, at least). Hes 6'5 270, with room to grow, has a huge wingspan, was a former track guy. So he certainly has the measurables. He certainly converts his burst into power, and is fully capable of driving back a blocker (occasionally two) into the QB. To me, I dont see him bend around the corner and get under the OTs often, which I am honestly curious if he can improve upon. He does play high a lot which may factor in, but which college DL dont do that.

Okafor I have not watched, I do not care for Texas, lol.


I still very much like Lemonier, who reminds me a lot of a younger Osi, lighter weight guy, but very fast off the snap, and has a great motor. May never be a great all around DE, but as a pass rush specialist he could be invaluable, especially as a guy who can chase down some of the quicker QBs the giants have to deal with. I think he might be there for the giants in the 2nd if he declares.I would agree with your assessment on all of this. Ansah to me is the most intriguing. Could be what Tuck was earlier in his career providing an inside pass rush on 3rd down.If u pair Ansah with JPP U would have long,Strong,physically powerful, and highly active DE's. U could even play some odd man fronts with them. I think if u got Ansah it would be a great idea to grab Lemonier as well. He would fit wonderfully as a 3rd down rusher . I hope the Giants are concerned as I am with the decline as Justin Tuck. Maybe they think they can get away with Kiwi at end but I really think waiting another year to add another End would be a huge mistake. I think u can get away 1 more year with Tuck so getting a guy in to learn the ropes now is really important

nycsportzfan
12-13-2012, 06:05 AM
I would agree with your assessment on all of this. Ansah to me is the most intriguing. Could be what Tuck was earlier in his career providing an inside pass rush on 3rd down.If u pair Ansah with JPP U would have long,Strong,physically powerful, and highly active DE's. U could even play some odd man fronts with them. I think if u got Ansah it would be a great idea to grab Lemonier as well. He would fit wonderfully as a 3rd down rusher . I hope the Giants are concerned as I am with the decline as Justin Tuck. Maybe they think they can get away with Kiwi at end but I really think waiting another year to add another End would be a huge mistake. I think u can get away 1 more year with Tuck so getting a guy in to learn the ropes now is really important Ya, i saw a game earlier in the yr that turned me on to Lemonier, but since then, i've been less then impressed... I don't see a 240lb guy as a DE.. OSI looks tiny out there at 260-263 or whatever he is, and Lemonier has a ways to go to even get that big, and also has to keep his speed and athletic ability.. I'd pass on Lemonier as a 4/3 DE, all though i can see the intrigue..

To be honest, i'd rather draft Ansah(were all in agreement here), and then go for a brandon jenkins in RD 3(trade up most likely).. Then take the 2nd rder we got, and get a young OT or G , or possibly a Saftey(good top heavy class), or a stud LB.. I like Brandon Jenkins as a 4/3 fit more then i do Lemonier, plus i think Lemonier ends up going in the earlish 2nd rd, before pick 15of RD 2... It'd cost alot to move up and get him.. If were moving up in the 3rd, it'd cost alot less... If Jenkins isn't there, then so be it, draft other positons, and search for antoher DE in other RD's, or take someone diffrent in RD 3 at DE..etc

Ansah and JPP = Dynamic Duo.. They remind me of eachother in alot of ways...

nycsportzfan
12-13-2012, 08:06 AM
Another guy i feel would be a nicer mid rd pass rusher that would make more sense then Lemonier is Quanterus Smith of W.Kentucky.. I am looking forward to seeing him go against Eric Fisher in his bowl game.. Hes a pure pass rusher, whos all ready had monster success against one of the nations best teams in ALABAMA, recording 3sacks against the crimson tide.. He also had 5sacks against Floida International.. Hes 6ft 5in 250lb's, and with that frame, could surely add some more weight.. Hes the kinda under the radar, small school DE that could make a diffrence for us..

U guys should check em out in his bowl game, against Eric Fisher.. His stock could soar, if he does well in that contest... Also, Eric Fishers stock could see a bump as well...

Redeyejedi
12-13-2012, 08:45 AM
Another guy i feel would be a nicer mid rd pass rusher that would make more sense then Lemonier is Quanterus Smith of W.Kentucky.. I am looking forward to seeing him go against Eric Fisher in his bowl game.. Hes a pure pass rusher, whos all ready had monster success against one of the nations best teams in ALABAMA, recording 3sacks against the crimson tide.. He also had 5sacks against Floida International.. Hes 6ft 5in 250lb's, and with that frame, could surely add some more weight.. Hes the kinda under the radar, small school DE that could make a diffrence for us..

U guys should check em out in his bowl game, against Eric Fisher.. His stock could soar, if he does well in that contest... Also, Eric Fishers stock could see a bump as well...
Draftbreakdowns posted a bunch of him this year really good player.

vs Southern Miss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VWE8TUOjUas

vs Alabama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vWCAavZMJBY

vs Ark st

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8bnHyZFP0jM

Kase-1
12-13-2012, 11:35 AM
I wouldnt mind another safety, my faith in KP is done

A RT or RG wouldnt be bad either, the right side of the OL makes me uneasy

Marvin Austin is a waste so DT wouldnt hurt

ebick
12-13-2012, 11:47 AM
We're hosting the SuperBowl next year....we should just go ahead and consider it a rebuilding year :)

GMENAGAIN
12-13-2012, 11:49 AM
I agree that we need more OL. Two picks one inside G/C and one outside T/G.
We are grooming Brewer as RT, McCants as LT, Mosley at G. I would resign Locklear cut DD.

I think we need another cover CB. We have Webster but he seems to have lost a step as he has been beaten alot this year?
WE have Prince and Hosley who areboth learning. WE need another good cover corner. We should have 5 CBs total.

We are set at safety with Phillps, Rolle, Brown Will Hill and Tyler Sash!!!! Total DBs =10 including 5 CBs.

We need a run stuffing DT to compliment Joseph and Canty. Im disappointed with Marvin Austin. He looks out of shape and slow.

I would return Kiwi to the DE rotation along with rookie Ojomo(=new Osi) who looked good in pre season.

I would draft an OLB with speed and a MLB.

If we can afford NY Jets TE Dustin Keller via FA if he comes cheap, he would be another weapon on offense that would open things up for our WRs and RBs. He would be another Jason Witten type TE. The Giants were going to draft him but the Jets moved up and took him. He is having an average year so he may come cheap? He would complement M Bennett.

CB
DT
OLB
MLB
OL
OL
RB

Brewer, McCants and Mosley are awful. If they ever get on the field for significant reps, Eli will be in big trouble.

We will use a high pick on a pass rusher.

slipknottin
12-13-2012, 03:49 PM
Ya, i saw a game earlier in the yr that turned me on to Lemonier, but since then, i've been less then impressed... I don't see a 240lb guy as a DE.. OSI looks tiny out there at 260-263 or whatever he is, and Lemonier has a ways to go to even get that big, and also has to keep his speed and athletic ability.. I'd pass on Lemonier as a 4/3 DE, all though i can see the intrigue..


I dont agree with this. Osi is 250-255. And Im not looking at Lemonier to be an every down end, Im looking at him to be a pass rusher. Thats all he needs to be. Having a guy who can be brought out on passing downs is an incredibly valuable thing to have. Just like what the seahawks do with Bruce Irvin (who is roughly the same size as Lemonier).

Size isnt very critical to pass rushing ability either, best pass rusher in the league is the 235 pound Von Miller.

nycsportzfan
12-13-2012, 08:05 PM
I dont agree with this. Osi is 250-255. And Im not looking at Lemonier to be an every down end, Im looking at him to be a pass rusher. Thats all he needs to be. Having a guy who can be brought out on passing downs is an incredibly valuable thing to have. Just like what the seahawks do with Bruce Irvin (who is roughly the same size as Lemonier).

Size isnt very critical to pass rushing ability either, best pass rusher in the league is the 235 pound Von Miller. Were each entitled to his own opinion.. I for one don't see lemonier as a 4/3 DE in any situation.. I'd be shocked if hes not a OLB in a 34...

slipknottin
12-13-2012, 08:43 PM
Were each entitled to his own opinion.. I for one don't see lemonier as a 4/3 DE in any situation.. I'd be shocked if hes not a OLB in a 34...

If he can rush the passer as a 3-4 OLB, he can rush the passer as a 4-3 DE.

nycsportzfan
12-13-2012, 09:28 PM
If he can rush the passer as a 3-4 OLB, he can rush the passer as a 4-3 DE. nah, hes gonna rush the pass rusher from a standup OLB in a 34.. Thats my opinion...

nycsportzfan
12-13-2012, 09:28 PM
Draftbreakdowns posted a bunch of him this year really good player.

vs Southern Miss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VWE8TUOjUas

vs Alabama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vWCAavZMJBY

vs Ark st

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8bnHyZFP0jM Yup, this guy can play!

slipknottin
12-13-2012, 09:46 PM
nah, hes gonna rush the pass rusher from a standup OLB in a 34.. Thats my opinion...

There is no difference whether he has his hand down or not. Look at Von miller, Aldon Smith, D Ware. All of them do both

nycsportzfan
12-13-2012, 10:59 PM
There is no difference whether he has his hand down or not. Look at Von miller, Aldon Smith, D Ware. All of them do both Dude, hes not Von Miller, first of all, and no where near it.. Aldon Smith and D Ware are both 34 OLB's, and were a 4/3 team.. He'll be underused in NY... He'd have more value in a 34 front, in my opinion..

Do u think i'm gonna change my mind on this? I'll bet u right now, hes picked up by a 34 team, and will play the OLB positon.. Hes 2 tiny..

nycsportzfan
12-13-2012, 11:00 PM
Lemonier has had a 0.5sack in his last 7games.. Thats pathetic...

BlueSanta
12-14-2012, 03:36 AM
Dude, hes not Von Miller, first of all, and no where near it.. Aldon Smith and D Ware are both 34 OLB's, and were a 4/3 team.. He'll be underused in NY... He'd have more value in a 34 front, in my opinion..

Do u think i'm gonna change my mind on this? I'll bet u right now, hes picked up by a 34 team, and will play the OLB positon.. Hes 2 tiny..

See I saw someone(was it you?) mention Brandon Jenkins from FSU in another thread as a mid round possibility and I feel the same way about him. He has 34 OLB written all over him.

nycsportzfan
12-14-2012, 05:34 AM
See I saw someone(was it you?) mention Brandon Jenkins from FSU in another thread as a mid round possibility and I feel the same way about him. He has 34 OLB written all over him. Ya it was me.. He played with his hand in the dirt almost his entire 2011 season, at least from what i seen, and almost every single play he made was with his hand in the dirt, and he outweighs Lemonier by like 15lbs almost.. ALso, he never had huge 7game chunks of season with no sacks... Also, hes 6ft 3in and 260, as opposed to lemoniers 6ft 4in 246lb's...

BlueSanta
12-14-2012, 06:26 AM
Ya it was me.. He played with his hand in the dirt almost his entire 2011 season, at least from what i seen, and almost every single play he made was with his hand in the dirt, and he outweighs Lemonier by like 15lbs almost.. ALso, he never had huge 7game chunks of season with no sacks... Also, hes 6ft 3in and 260, as opposed to lemoniers 6ft 4in 246lb's...

In 2010, BJ's best year he played exclusively DE for FSU. His hand was in the dirt just as you said and he spent the entire year in opposing team's backfields. He reportedly played at around 230-240

In 2011, the team still rushed him more often than not, but he spent a LOT more time in a hybrid LB role so as to get Tank C and Bjeorn onto the field. He dropped into coverage on many plays. But he did drop back a a LB a lot more in 2011. In fact, there were a couple interviews where the FSU coaches praised his play at the position.

He might be 260 now, perhaps, but he never played at that weight at FSU. I dont care what they listed him as.

I do agree that Lemoniers is likely a 34 OLB in the NFL and the Jenkins could end up at as a 43 DE, but I just think both have more value as a 34 olb. Someone is going to take a chance on Jenkins before where the consensus thinks he will go. He can take over games. I think it is likely a 34 team.

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slipknottin
12-14-2012, 08:06 AM
Dude, hes not Von Miller, first of all, and no where near it.. Aldon Smith and D Ware are both 34 OLB's, and were a 4/3 team.. He'll be underused in NY... He'd have more value in a 34 front, in my opinion..

Do u think i'm gonna change my mind on this? I'll bet u right now, hes picked up by a 34 team, and will play the OLB positon.. Hes 2 tiny..

You don't understand what I'm saying. In a passing down it makes absolutely no difference what size he is or if he has his hand down or not. It's not relevant to anything.

If we were talking about where would he fit as an every down player then yes, a 3-4 would be a better fit