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TroyArcher
12-09-2012, 01:36 PM
I have seen this before (i.e. Wildcat) and it doesn't last in the NFL. RGIII looks good but he will not last if he continues running a college type offense. NFL defenses will catch up and he will take a beaten. Perhaps he will succeed in a conventional NFL type offense, remains to be seen.

ebick
12-09-2012, 01:51 PM
I don't know if I agree. Here's what my uneducated eyes saw and were blown away with last Monday night. The offensive play calls gave RGIII a ton of options that he could go with on each play. The success of the option depends on the QB to select the best option based on what the defense does.....RGIII almost 100% of the time picked the best option. He was very quick and correct with his decision making, and darn good at execution.

blueomaha
12-09-2012, 02:24 PM
the league caught up to Vick...it will do the same to RG3.......

FIFTY6G-MAN
12-09-2012, 02:54 PM
I hope that atleast the Giants figure it out. Look at Cam Newton and Vick. 1 year after great seasons they were figured out and now make nominal impact. The jury is out on a conventional offense with Bob Gee leading it.

krygny
12-09-2012, 04:41 PM
Everybody's waiting for the Giants to develop a defensive scheme and school the rest of the league.

Eventually, the way RG3 runs that offense, it will result in turnovers. I'm surprised it hasn't already, but it's only a matter of time. When your own guys don't even know what you're gonna do, bad things usually happen.

SweetZombieJesus
12-09-2012, 08:48 PM
I don't know if I agree. Here's what my uneducated eyes saw and were blown away with last Monday night. The offensive play calls gave RGIII a ton of options that he could go with on each play. The success of the option depends on the QB to select the best option based on what the defense does.....RGIII almost 100% of the time picked the best option. He was very quick and correct with his decision making, and darn good at execution.

I'm impressed but you fight it by plastering the QB no matter what the option is.

If he's reading the right DE to decide whether to run outside or handoff, get all Inception on them and use it to your advantage. Rush inside and have a disguised guy KNOW ahead of the snap that the DE will go inside and he will go outside. It's like Eli with the constant audibling before the snap, if you confuse them they will overthink it. It also means the team can't impose its will physically they have to play this gimmick carp.

TheAnalyst
12-09-2012, 08:48 PM
He will be a great QB. Right now, he is benefitting from GREAT playcalling giving him safe options all the time. The pistol is a great play design for him. With that said , the league will get to him weather its hitting him all the time even after he hands it off, or just diagnosing it better. And if he doesn't protect those legs, much of his ability will be lost. Big scare today for him.

TroyArcher
12-09-2012, 08:50 PM
Looks like the NFL caught up today.

BigBlueAllDay
12-09-2012, 09:06 PM
It's figuring it out and being able to execute defensive stops against it with QBs that have good-great speed and athletism. It's those physical qualities of the QB that make it work and give the offense the "extra dimension" that they're talking about. Cam Newtown and Colin Kaepernick both ripped off huge TDs runs today by just being able to outrun opposing DBs to the endzone. Insane.

Redskins4eva
12-09-2012, 11:55 PM
I have seen this before (i.e. Wildcat) and it doesn't last in the NFL. RGIII looks good but he will not last if he continues running a college type offense. NFL defenses will catch up and he will take a beaten. Perhaps he will succeed in a conventional NFL type offense, remains to be seen.

The Redskins dont run the Wildcat. Please watch the games before making such judgements. Pistol does not equate wildcat. Thats like saying a team that runs shotgun all the time is running the Run n Shoot.

Redskins4eva
12-09-2012, 11:59 PM
Looks like the NFL caught up today.

How many rushing yards did we have today? How many total yards? How many points? I'll tell ya:

178 rushing yards
248 passing yards
420 total yards
We scored 31 points

I dont think anyone has caught up yet.

Also, the Redskins played like crap on offense today.

Flip Empty
12-10-2012, 12:04 AM
the league caught up to Vick...it will do the same to RG3.......
Why do people keep comparing these two, they are not the same player. Griffin's rushing ability is a bonus, not a focal point.

BlueSanta
12-10-2012, 12:17 AM
I think the league is gonna have another chat wit hthe skins about their medical evaluation process.

Much like the concussion incedent earlier this year, the skins showed a complete lack of interest in player safety. When your star player comes hobbling off the field with an aparent leg injury you do not let his giving you a thumbs up and a high five determine whether or not he is healthy enough to return to the field. As we saw, he was clearly unable to even throw off his leg, and yet they docs felt he was ok to go? More like the docs let the player determine his own status rather than doing their job.

FIFTY6G-MAN
12-10-2012, 12:23 AM
I think the league is gonna have another chat wit hthe skins about their medical evaluation process.

Much like the concussion incedent earlier this year, the skins showed a complete lack of interest in player safety. When your star player comes hobbling off the field with an aparent leg injury you do not let his giving you a thumbs up and a high five determine whether or not he is healthy enough to return to the field. As we saw, he was clearly unable to even throw off his leg, and yet they docs felt he was ok to go? More like the docs let the player determine his own status rather than doing their job.I was in total disrepair when RG PEE went back out on the field with only 1 good leg!!!! At that point the refs should have charged the Foreskins with a TO, removed him from field of play until a real evaluation. Shanahan should be ashamed of himself for allowing Pee to go back onto the field. HE is the franchise. I was disgusted with the Foreskins allowing anything to happen with Pee other than getting him medical attention.

Toadofsteel
12-10-2012, 12:58 AM
I kinda feel bad for Griffin. I know he's a competitor and would be the first to go back on the field no matter what condition he was in, the fact that the skins organization let him and didn't seem to care about protecting their most important asset is telling... it's almost like they're going Super Bowl or Bust, this year...

tl;dr: Great player, terrible organization.

BurnerNYG
12-10-2012, 02:35 AM
I hope that atleast the Giants figure it out. Look at Cam Newton and Vick. 1 year after great seasons they were figured out and now make nominal impact. The jury is out on a conventional offense with Bob Gee leading it.Keep talking negative about Cam. He's gonna make a believer out of you.

Eliscruzzz
12-10-2012, 03:12 AM
Keep talking negative about Cam. He's gonna make a believer out of you.You know what funny about this is, you are so quick to protect every other qb but when it comes to Eli you call him a goof ball, inconsistent etc,etc,etc...I mean come on man.

BurnerNYG
12-10-2012, 04:15 AM
You know what funny about this is, you are so quick to protect every other qb but when it comes to Eli you call him a goof ball, inconsistent etc,etc,etc...I mean come on man.I love Eli... I can call him names because he's MY QB and since I'm emotionally strapped to the Giants he gets the tough love treatment. If Cam was our QB I would probably call him every name in the book. I'm gonna miss Eli when he retires, trust!

BurnerNYG
12-10-2012, 04:23 AM
Although I truly have a love/hate relationship with Eli like I practically had with every Giants QB... I only poke fun at him on these boards because I know it bothers some of you guys lol.

Giantz4Life
12-10-2012, 04:54 AM
Hall of Famer Steve Young knows NFL offenses. He knows running quarterbacks. And while he is enamored with Robert Griffin III, Young doesn't believe the Washington Redskins' style of offense this year is sustainable.

"It's a perfect bridge for getting to the other side," Young told Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times in reference to Washington's blend of zone running, read-option and pistol formation offense.

"If you're playing for 10 or 15 years, you can't every week run six option plays. It can be around. It can be a part of the game, but sooner or later you've got to deliver the ball from the pocket. That's the game. Now, if the game changes, and it's proven a championship can be won from the pistol spread, then I'm wrong. But until I'm proven wrong, it's definitely a great way to win some games, especially from the red zone. For young quarterbacks who are mobile, it keeps them on the field and being very productive."

More:

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000107068/steve-young-rg3-cant-survive-in-option-offense-forever/


He's absolutely right. Eventually RG3 is going to have to become a true pocket passer. Not only is that type of offense not sustainable, but RG3 is going to get destroyed one game ala Sean Witherspoon this year and get knocked out for the season if this option stuff keeps going. The kid is not Cam's size where he can continue to take big hits. When that pistol spread option gimmick is not their base offense anymore RG3 becomes less effective. He is still going to be a good QB, but defenses will most likely have an easier time stopping him.

Markroman
12-10-2012, 10:12 AM
Teams catch up within a year. Remember the Dolphins and their "wing" formation which caught teams off guard.

RG3 is very hyped and marketed for good reason. Watch him play and see how often he almost takes some really big hits. Unless he changes his play/style soon, he won't last. He reminds me of Randall Cunningham. Alot of gimmicks but, when the defense catches on, it will be the real test.

Parademon
12-10-2012, 10:53 AM
The Skins are gonna rest him vs the Browns thinking it'll be an easy win. Got news for them, the Browns are better than their record shows! Wouldn't be shocked at all to see the Browns beat Wash next week.

TroyArcher
12-10-2012, 11:10 AM
The Redskins dont run the Wildcat. Please watch the games before making such judgements. Pistol does not equate wildcat. Thats like saying a team that runs shotgun all the time is running the Run n Shoot.

I never said they did. What I said is these gimmick offense don't last.

TroyArcher
12-10-2012, 11:12 AM
How many rushing yards did we have today? How many total yards? How many points? I'll tell ya:

178 rushing yards
248 passing yards
420 total yards
We scored 31 points

I dont think anyone has caught up yet.

Also, the Redskins played like crap on offense today.

By caught up I meant that they will continue to pound RGIII if he continues to run the ball. Vick is a shell of himself after the beatings he has taken. Same will happen to RGIII if he continues to run so much.

TroyArcher
12-10-2012, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep comparing these two, they are not the same player. Griffin's rushing ability is a bonus, not a focal point.

He came very close yesterday for going out for they year, that is why.

EddieBlue
12-10-2012, 01:52 PM
He came very close yesterday for going out for they year, that is why.


i agree with you! This no-slide superstar will be rendered ineffective he keeps taking shots like that....

bigblue58
12-14-2012, 09:00 PM
I have seen this before (i.e. Wildcat) and it doesn't last in the NFL. RGIII looks good but he will not last if he continues running a college type offense. NFL defenses will catch up and he will take a beaten. Perhaps he will succeed in a conventional NFL type offense, remains to be seen.

It will be retired once RG3 is out of the league.....which won't be too far in the future with all the hits he takes! He's already had a bad concussion and a knee injury and it's only his rookie year!
The guy is fast, explosive and elusive but he's not built for longevity.

BuffyBlueII
12-15-2012, 01:31 AM
Pittsburgh Steelers already figured him out and punished him.The guy is good but he is not all that. Paranoid play calling has cost teams against this guy. He makes better decisions than but is not as fast or guns the ball out the pocket as Mike Vick.Bobby Gee 3, Roach With Braids, reptile dysfunction or whatever this ugly bastid is called will only be relevant for 2-4 seasons at most.

Panthers527
12-19-2012, 09:33 PM
I hope that atleast the Giants figure it out. Look at Cam Newton and Vick. 1 year after great seasons they were figured out and now make nominal impact. The jury is out on a conventional offense with Bob Gee leading it.

Ever since we scaled back on the read option and started running a more NFL type offense Cam has actually improved. he has 13 Passing TD's and only 2 INT's since week 9 and 4 rushing TD's.

enforcer_upu
12-19-2012, 11:52 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers already figured him out and punished him.The guy is good but he is not all that. Paranoid play calling has cost teams against this guy. He makes better decisions than but is not as fast or guns the ball out the pocket as Mike Vick.Bobby Gee 3, Roach With Braids, reptile dysfunction or whatever this ugly bastid is called will only be relevant for 2-4 seasons at most.

Since when does 10 dropped passes mean a QB is figured out??

tonyt830
12-20-2012, 11:38 PM
I have seen this before (i.e. Wildcat) and it doesn't last in the NFL. RGIII looks good but he will not last if he continues running a college type offense. NFL defenses will catch up and he will take a beaten. Perhaps he will succeed in a conventional NFL type offense, remains to be seen.I think in the next year or 2 you will see opposing teams d-coordinators starting to solve the gimmic/college offense. They are paid to do so. I remember when Vince Young was the "man" some years back, won the rookie of the year if I'm not mistaken. Cam Newton---looked pretty dangerous last year, Mike Vick---a weapon, once upon a time. What happened? Year 2 hit Young and Newton, and well Vick, he just cant stay healthy.

That could be the fate of Griffin---either he is going to become an injury liability with all of that running around and taking all of those hits, and/or defenses will come up with schemes that will show him to be like any other mortal playing the game today.