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RoanokeFan
12-14-2012, 07:46 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giant...AXPvHbH2ekKBPN (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/osi_men_set_to_sack_it_to_atl_wZQK0E9xAXPvHbH2ekKB PN)

Excerpt: "It is not correct, Osi Umenyiora says, to assume members of the Giants defensive line are feeling the heat to generate more quarterback sacks.

No one can hit one out of the park unless the ball is pitched.

“It’s just like a guy who’s a slugger and every single time they’re throwing him balls,’’ Umenyiora said yesterday. “They’re trying to walk him and then you’re asking why he’s not hitting home runs. If they pitch him the ball, he’s going to hit a home run.

“We’re not getting pitches. It’s really that simple. When we get the pitches whenever we get ahead, whenever we get one-on-one blocks, we’re going to take advantage of them, but we’re just not really seeing that right now.’’

Umenyiora, with six sacks, is just behind Jason Pierre-Paul (6 1/2) for the team lead, with the other pass-rushing defensive end, Justin Tuck, stuck on three. Umenyiora says he knows he and the others are judged by their sack totals, which are down for all three. He insists sacks, while important, are not the end-all and be-all.

“We can say it till we’re blue in the face, but the only people who know and actually sit there and watch this for a living ... we know exactly how it is that we’re actually affecting the quarterback and the teams that try and take us away,’’ Umenyiora said. “So at the end of the day sacks are what everybody looks at, so we have to find a way to get more.’’

The only sack last week against Drew Brees was by Umenyiora mid-way through the fourth quarter, despite Brees dropping back 44 times. That sounds like not enough pressure until you hear defensive coordinator Perry Fewell explain the gameplan against the Saints was to make Brees’ feet “hot’’ and “move the launch pad,’’ meaning not allow him to set himself before throwing.

In other words, don’t worry about sacks." Read more...

Coach Carter
12-14-2012, 08:05 AM
The guys on tv keep talking about sacks so the viewing audience thinks our d-line stinks, and I've noticed that during the Saints game no stats about pressure were ever shown. Brees had to move all game, he was under constant pressure, and pressure is all you need, sacks are just the icing on the cake.

What I would like to see is more blitzing through the A gaps since teams are using their backs and tightends to chip our defensive ends. Almost every time Blackburn blitzs he is unblocked. Opposing offenses need to have their running backs respect the blitz up the middle instead of just running to outside to chip our defensive ends.

GameTime
12-14-2012, 09:19 AM
the Giants are getting more picks this year so IMO the pressure is getting there and the result is turnovers. Better than sacks in my book.......

WEG313
12-14-2012, 09:33 AM
What pressure? Save for the Green Bay game, the Giants have rarely put consistent pressure on the QB since early in the season. And as far as Osi's comment about one-on-one blocks, there is no way teams can possibly double team more than one DL, and that would invariably be JPP. When has Osi been double teamed this year? Why would any team waste a double team on him?

Captain Chaos
12-14-2012, 09:36 AM
Sounds like Osi is a fastball hitter and they are throwing him curves, sinkers, and Sliders. A good hitter can adjust!!

DaKraken
12-14-2012, 10:04 AM
They got a serious amount of pressure last game. Sacks are overrated

repeatchamps
12-14-2012, 10:14 AM
What pressure? Save for the Green Bay game, the Giants have rarely put consistent pressure on the QB since early in the season. And as far as Osi's comment about one-on-one blocks, there is no way teams can possibly double team more than one DL, and that would invariably be JPP. When has Osi been double teamed this year? Why would any team waste a double team on him?

You must be with the so-called experts in the media who think the Giants are mediocre but are just real lucky all the time. How are these turnovers coming especially the Int's? Are QB's just giving us gifts because they want to see the Giants repeat? You are basically saying the Giants are getting Int's with no consistent pressure and since every one of the picks they've had were pretty easy catches (go back and look at the highlights, not one overly amazing catch, all were caught with ease). It can't just be DB's making amazing grabs. It is also absurd to just say that it is the DB's making great reads because they are so amazing. It's a good secondary not great that often is confused and gives up huge chunks of yardage and the most big plays in the NFL so the Int's are not all them by any means. But of course from what you see the defensive line has done nothing to assist the secondary in getting turnovers. No pressure, no sacks, nada. So I guess all the opposing QB's the Giants have faced are just giving us gifts on their own.

Do people on this board even watch the games? This was Perry's specialty as a defensive coordinator, they knew it when he was hired. Getting as many turnovers as possible was always the main goal when Perry was hired and that remains true to this very day. Pressure or the illusion that pressure is coming has forced a lot of turnovers especially the last two or three seasons under Fewell and if no one sees that when watching the games, then people are not watching close enough.

RoanokeFan
12-14-2012, 10:57 AM
What pressure? Save for the Green Bay game, the Giants have rarely put consistent pressure on the QB since early in the season. And as far as Osi's comment about one-on-one blocks, there is no way teams can possibly double team more than one DL, and that would invariably be JPP. When has Osi been double teamed this year? Why would any team waste a double team on him? What do you think creates all of those interceptions?

Antwuan
12-14-2012, 11:01 AM
Go for it.

The Giants got some decent pressure on Brees maybe not a lot but they brought some heat.

EnragedYouth85
12-14-2012, 11:03 AM
Our sacks are way down, but the pocket is getting hot with opposing QB's and that's why we are getting so many INT's. They are rushing to throw without seeing the coverage and making dumb plays. That's the art of pressure. Plus INT's are better than sacks unless they are strip sacks and we get the fumble recovery.

NYG4lifeNYK
12-14-2012, 11:06 AM
What pressure? Save for the Green Bay game, the Giants have rarely put consistent pressure on the QB since early in the season. And as far as Osi's comment about one-on-one blocks, there is no way teams can possibly double team more than one DL, and that would invariably be JPP. When has Osi been double teamed this year? Why would any team waste a double team on him?
Osi has been chipped and double teamed game after game this season, I made a thread about it awhile back. Watch the game without your blinders on.

TroyArcher
12-14-2012, 11:09 AM
Sacks aren't everything but this line has not put on consistent pressure either. And their play against the running game has been horrible. Lets hope they pick it up this week and carry it into the playoffs.

GameTime
12-14-2012, 11:11 AM
Sacks aren't everything but this line has not put on consistent pressure either. And their play against the running game has been horrible. Lets hope they pick it up this week and carry it into the playoffs.

yeah their run D has sucked.....but so has their pass D. Lots of yards. But they keep the points to a minimum and get the TO's too......

Antwuan
12-14-2012, 11:11 AM
Sacks aren't everything but this line has not put on consistent pressure either. And their play against the running game has been horrible. Lets hope they pick it up this week and carry it into the playoffs.

+1

OrangeGiant
12-14-2012, 12:33 PM
Everyone is enamored with stats, that is the problem. TD passes for a QB, rushing yards/TD's for a back. receptions/yards for receivers, sacks for DE's. What people don't realize is sometimes stats don't tell the story. A team with a terrible defense who is constantly behind in games and has to throw the ball all the time is going to have players with inflated passing yard stats, piling up yardage in garbage time when defenses are letting them complete passes underneath over and over trying to prevent the big play. Offenses that play the Giants defense know they need to have quick plays, 3 step drops, and get rid of the ball. Plus we haven't exactly been good against the run so teams are running the ball on us. These are some of the reasons why the sacks are down.

The only stat I care about is W-L record. The rest doesn't matter.

egyptian420
12-14-2012, 01:54 PM
Everyone is enamored with stats, that is the problem. TD passes for a QB, rushing yards/TD's for a back. receptions/yards for receivers, sacks for DE's. What people don't realize is sometimes stats don't tell the story. A team with a terrible defense who is constantly behind in games and has to throw the ball all the time is going to have players with inflated passing yard stats, piling up yardage in garbage time when defenses are letting them complete passes underneath over and over trying to prevent the big play. Offenses that play the Giants defense know they need to have quick plays, 3 step drops, and get rid of the ball. Plus we haven't exactly been good against the run so teams are running the ball on us. These are some of the reasons why the sacks are down.

The only stat I care about is W-L record. The rest doesn't matter.+1.....this is why I laugh whenever dumb NFL fans tell me that even though we've won 2 championships in the past 5 years, we weren't "that dominant" of a team.

They act as if the coaches are there to please them, fantasy players, and stat nerds as opposed to winning the lombardi.

I hope NE is satisfied with their reg. season stats.

ShakeandBake
12-14-2012, 02:19 PM
Osi has been chipped and double teamed game after game this season, I made a thread about it awhile back. Watch the game without your blinders on.

I absolutely disagree, there have been plenty of times where Osi has been blocked solely by the OT or even the Fullback plenty of times. Osi just has been playing the way he usually does, being afraid of contact, over running the play and being virtually useless in run defense. JPP is the one who is constantly double teamed and chipped, yet still manages to do better than our other two "elite" DEs. The D-line has looked a little better as of late overall, but to say Osi has been unproductive because he is getting too much attention from opposing team's offense is a joke.

GentleGiant
12-14-2012, 07:56 PM
I absolutely disagree, there have been plenty of times where Osi has been blocked solely by the OT or even the Fullback plenty of times. Osi just has been playing the way he usually does, being afraid of contact, over running the play and being virtually useless in run defense. JPP is the one who is constantly double teamed and chipped, yet still manages to do better than our other two "elite" DEs. The D-line has looked a little better as of late overall, but to say Osi has been unproductive because he is getting too much attention from opposing team's offense is a joke.

How has he been unproductive? He's tied for the most sacks on the D and he's caused forced fumbles. He's elite against the pass at least.The linebackers are better against the run so they make up for it. Tuck is getting old but we can't lose him cause he's the leader of the d line(just look what happend to the bears and ravens when they lost ray lewis and brian urlacher for their defenses). Plus Tuck is still productive.

ShakeandBake
12-14-2012, 08:24 PM
How has he been unproductive? He's tied for the most sacks on the D and he's caused forced fumbles. He's elite against the pass at least.The linebackers are better against the run so they make up for it. Tuck is getting old but we can't lose him cause he's the leader of the d line(just look what happend to the bears and ravens when they lost ray lewis and brian urlacher for their defenses). Plus Tuck is still productive.

Hes had only 2 forced fumbles and 6 sacks, those are not good numbers for someone who is supposedly an elite pass rusher. Those numbers coupled with the fact that the guy is a huge liability in run defense does not justify the amount of money he is being paid. To put it in perspective, there are 34 other players in the league that have more sacks than Osi does at this point, and 32 players that have forced more fumbles. This notion that Osi is an "elite" player is a figment of your imagination.