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Laurah1275
12-17-2012, 10:23 AM
I wish someone with 100% correct knowledge could explain to me in simple terms the situation we are in concerning playoffs....I've read through the posts and there seems to be alot of confusing "I'm right and your wrong" info. All this seed, wildcard, playoff talk is confusing. There has to be some definitive rules and answers, not guesses. I just wanna know truthfully what has to happen for us to be in the postseason.....any help would be appreciated. Thanx :)

Kruunch
12-17-2012, 10:24 AM
Win and we're in (thanks repeatedchamps for correcting me).

Jet-Blue
12-17-2012, 10:29 AM
Take a look at this link and the "Tie-Breaker Procedures" it should help you out.


http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture

BlueJayC
12-17-2012, 10:35 AM
The biggest thing to understand is that THERE ARE DIFFERENT TIE BREAKERS WITHIN THE DIVISION THAN WITHIN THE CONFERENCE.....

This is where all the confusion is stemming from so whereas the Giants would lose the division to the Redskins or Cowboys if they ended up tied with either they still would win the a wildcard spot if tied with either the Redskins or the Cowboys do to a better conference record.

So the most important thing to understand and clarify is that the tie breaking criteria is different when talking about a "Division Championship" versus a "Wild Card Conference Berth."

(took me an hour to explain this to my sister yesterday)

Jet-Blue
12-17-2012, 10:37 AM
Win and we're in (thanks repeatedchamps for correcting me).

I think it might be more than that because, right now the Giants (8-6) are sitting at the 9th seed with the Washington, Vikings, Bears and Cowboys all at 8-6 ahead of them. But winning out is a must none the less!

BlueJayC
12-17-2012, 10:40 AM
I think it might be more than that because, right now the Giants (8-6) are sitting at the 9th seed with the Washington, Vikings, Bears and Cowboys all at 8-6 ahead of them. But winning out is a must none the less!

Incorrect.....strictly speaking with regards to a Wild Card berth they are tied with Washington, Dallas, Vikings and Bears......however the Giants have the best conference record of all 4 teams and with two wins this would still hold true and the Giants would get the WC nod.

Jet-Blue
12-17-2012, 10:58 AM
Incorrect.....strictly speaking with regards to a Wild Card berth they are tied with Washington, Dallas, Vikings and Bears......however the Giants have the best conference record of all 4 teams and with two wins this would still hold true and the Giants would get the WC nod.

If that is the case, why are they listed as the 9th seed and not the 6th? Since right now they have the better conference record.

BlueJayC
12-17-2012, 11:11 AM
Because the season isn't over........Wildcard positioning doesn't officially get set until the season is over and all conference games have been played.....but again the tiebreaking procedures are different within the division than within the conference.....and no one is "officially" ranked better than anyone else with the same record until all games have been played.

This should help: http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
(http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures)
Another key component to remember is that the Cowboys and Skins play each other last game of the year.....ensuring one or the other of another loss.

Kruunch
12-17-2012, 11:22 AM
I think it might be more than that because, right now the Giants (8-6) are sitting at the 9th seed with the Washington, Vikings, Bears and Cowboys all at 8-6 ahead of them. But winning out is a must none the less!

We beat the Vikings and Bears in tie breakers (conference record).

Jet-Blue
12-17-2012, 11:22 AM
Found this at CBS.com on their Playoff Grid:

Washington is ahead of the N.Y. Giants and Dallas in the NFC East based on head to head record (2-1 to the Giants' 2-2 and the Cowboys' 1-2). Dallas is ahead of the N.Y. Giants in the NFC East based on division record (3-2 to the Giants' 2-3). Minnesota is ahead of Dallas based on conference record (6-5 to the Cowboys' 5-5). Chicago is ahead of Dallas based on head to head (1-0).

rEaS
12-17-2012, 11:25 AM
it's as simple as this:

win 2 and we're in (wildcard or division winner depending on what was/dal do)
win 1 and we might be in (depending on a few other factors that aren't so likely to happen so don't count on this one)
lose 2 and we're definitely out

there you go.. that's our playoff scenario..

BlueJayC
12-17-2012, 11:51 AM
Found this at CBS.com on their Playoff Grid:

Washington is ahead of the N.Y. Giants and Dallas in the NFC East based on head to head record (2-1 to the Giants' 2-2 and the Cowboys' 1-2). Dallas is ahead of the N.Y. Giants in the NFC East based on division record (3-2 to the Giants' 2-3). Minnesota is ahead of Dallas based on conference record (6-5 to the Cowboys' 5-5). Chicago is ahead of Dallas based on head to head (1-0).

Should have ended with.......Giants are ahead of Chicago, Minnesota and Dallas in a Wildcard Scenario based on conference record (7-4 to Minnesota's 6-5, the Cowboy's 5-5 and Chicago's 5-5)

Jet-Blue
12-17-2012, 12:08 PM
With 3 or more clubs tied the Tie-breaker of "Conference Wins" is the 3rd tie-breaker item:

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

BlueJayC
12-17-2012, 12:16 PM
With 3 or more clubs tied the Tie-breaker of "Conference Wins" is the 3rd tie-breaker item:

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.


Correct and would apply.......I think you're missing the point that if the Giants win out....within the division they can only be tied with WASH or DAL not both......giving WASH or DAL the division and as a result would be relegated to a WC which they'll hold the best conference record among the contending teams......see Roanoke's article just posted.

TroyArcher
12-17-2012, 12:45 PM
10-6 will get the Giants a wild card berth. They will need both Dallas & Skins to lose at least one game if they want to win the NFC East.