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joemorrisforprez
12-18-2012, 11:49 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/raissman-banks-frank-giants-debacle-atlanta-article-1.1222432




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With 5:38 left in the fourth quarter, long after the Falcons had made the Giants quit inside the Georgia Dome, Carl Banks reflected on what was on the minds attached to the few ears actually left listening.
“This one,” Banks said, “can’t be over soon enough.”

The Giants could take solace in the fact that on radio you could only imagine how horrible their performance was in the 34-0 fiasco. Thanks to Banks’ and Bob Papa’s descriptions, visions of ineptitude were easily conjured. Their voices portrayed disgust, even contempt, for what they were watching.

After all, like many of their colleagues, they believed history would repeat itself and the Giants would again play winning football with their backs to the wall. The all-knowing were certain the Giants again would “get hot late” and make a run. By mid-week, that theory will be resurrected by some in the media as a rallying cry before the Giants head to Baltimore.

After listening to Banks and Papa on Sunday, that notion sounds more like a sales pitch for magic weight loss supplements sold on cable TV.

In the fourth, Papa dug in saying when the Giants “talk about how they like making it hard for us,” it sounds like self-serving baloney.

“And for the Giants, it’s go-time,” Banks said. “But they don’t even have a sense of urgency.”

His words carried even more weight because they came after watching Fox’s Tony Siragusa at halftime of the Giants-Falcons telecast. Siragusa said Tom Coughlin told the Giants “we came here to fight” but didn’t in the first 30 minutes. Siragusa: “Coughlin said, ‘But we are going to fight in this next 30 minutes,’”

Coughlin didn’t exactly get through to his team.

Or as Banks said on the radiocast: “They don’t resemble a team that’s going to the playoffs.”


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Buddy333
12-18-2012, 11:53 PM
Can't argue with him. They still have a chance to turn it around but they don't look like th team the where last year

joemorrisforprez
12-18-2012, 11:57 PM
Sorry, here's more Banks unplugged:



Banks didn’t deal in generalities. He singled out the Giants’ defensive front. “You’ve got pass rushers who aren’t even getting there (to Matt Ryan),” he said. “They have become just average pass rushers.”

Eli Manning didn’t escape either. “I don’t think I’ve seen this quarterback play so bad since his rookie season,” Banks said.

Buddy333
12-18-2012, 11:59 PM
He is on he money.

primetime
12-19-2012, 12:00 AM
Everything Banks said is true.

BigBlue wins
12-19-2012, 12:00 AM
Carl Banks usually calls it how it is. No grey area or embellishing.

joemorrisforprez
12-19-2012, 12:01 AM
Can't argue with him. They still have a chance to turn it around but they don't look like th team the where last year

I agree....I actually like it when the veterans call them out for playing like *******. Banks and Antonio Pierce have both said the team is playing fat and lazy.

And I don't really want to turn every post into a Gilbride rant, but Banks is spot on in talking about a lack of urgency......that offense plays like they have 12 quarters to get their **** going. Outside of their 2 minute stuff at the end of the 2nd and 4th, there's no giddy up in this team.

joemorrisforprez
12-19-2012, 12:04 AM
Carl Banks usually calls it how it is. No grey area or embellishing.

Agreed....if anyone has earned the right to critique the Giants, it's Carl Banks.....that dude was maybe the smartest defender I ever watched. I can count on one hand how many times I saw him out of position, or with a bad angle. One of the absolute best run defending linebackers the Giants have ever had.

Buddy333
12-19-2012, 12:05 AM
The only thing about the offense is that they where moving the ball early on. They just didn't execute and the two interceptions set them back further.

JMGGIANTS
12-19-2012, 12:07 AM
Yes joemorris and frustrating to me is knowing that Eli and Giants offense is the most effective when they run no huddle, hence all of the 4th quarter late drive comeback wins. So do we every use no huddle except when it is urgent? Noooooo!!. Why use it when it is so effective right? N.O. uses it all the time, New England uses it all the time.

BigBlue wins
12-19-2012, 12:07 AM
Agreed....if anyone has earned the right to critique the Giants, it's Carl Banks.....that dude was maybe the smartest defender I ever watched. I can count on one hand how many times I saw him out of position, or with a bad angle. One of the absolute best run defending linebackers the Giants have ever had.

I always wondered why he never went into coaching.

joemorrisforprez
12-19-2012, 12:07 AM
The only thing about he offense is that they where moving the ball early on. They just didn't execute and the two interceptions set them back further.

True......Eli really hurt them with turnovers.....add Tyne's miss, and that could have been a very tight game going into the 2nd half.

The entire team fell on it's ***......it started with Eli, and then Tynes, then Coughlin refusing 3 times to take points.....finally, the defense gave up the ghost when it was clear the offense was just flailing away.

Buddy333
12-19-2012, 12:13 AM
Can't blame TC for not taking the points. He sees what is going on. The offense has been struggling and maybe converting on a 4th down would give them a spark. Can't blame KG for Eli throwing the first interception. Eli was off with his accuracy all day. The missed field goal hurt. Th offense was horrible but can't see how KG is to blame. Not saying he is perfect, no one is, but look at the mistakes made on the field. It's not just this last game either.

JMGGIANTS
12-19-2012, 12:25 AM
^^spot on especially for not taking the points. Too many green zone failures this year.

ebick
12-19-2012, 12:31 AM
they don't look like th team the where last year

Really? Last year they were 6-2, then lost 4 in a row, split the next two to get to 7-7, came in into game #14 with chance to really take control, and laid an egg at home against the redskins,before going on to run the table and win the Superbowl.

Right now, they look just like last year's team to me. They are "a box of chocolates".

joemorrisforprez
12-19-2012, 12:54 AM
Can't blame TC for not taking the points. He sees what is going on. The offense has been struggling and maybe converting on a 4th down would give them a spark. Can't blame KG for Eli throwing the first interception. Eli was off with his accuracy all day. The missed field goal hurt. Th offense was horrible but can't see how KG is to blame. Not saying he is perfect, no one is, but look at the mistakes made on the field. It's not just this last game either.

My point is he should have gone to the run, and gotten things settled down. Instead, he continued to push a broken button until the game was out of hand.

And, I'll need to check the NFL record books for the last time Lumpkin had 300+ yards and 3 TDs in a single game.

Buddy333
12-19-2012, 12:58 AM
Really? Last year they were 6-2, then lost 4 in a row, split the next two to get to 7-7, came in into game #14 with chance to really take control, and laid an egg at home against the redskins,before going on to run the table and win the Superbowl.Right now, they look just like last year's team to me. They are "a box of chocolates".Last year they could count on Eli. This year it doesn't seem that way but now is their chance to turn it around.

Buddy333
12-19-2012, 01:00 AM
My point is he should have gone to the run, and gotten things settled down. Instead, he continued to push a broken button until the game was out of hand.And, I'll need to check the NFL record books for the last time Lumpkin had 300+ yards and 3 TDs in a single game.See that's the problem. Wilson may never have a game like that again. Maybe he will have many. He is not Super Man and does not gain 10 per carry when he touches he ball.

joemorrisforprez
12-19-2012, 01:07 AM
See that's the problem. Wilson may never have a game like that again. Maybe he will have many. He is not Super Man and does not gain 10 per carry when he touches he ball.

That's true.

But in the Falcons game, he was definitely effective, especially on the sweeps. I'm baffled why they went away from a play that was clearly working, and instead focused on a floundering passing attack.

sharick88
12-19-2012, 01:11 AM
As usual, Carl Banks is right on the money. We looked like the Jets on Sunday against the Falcons. We need to nut up make this **** happen these last two games.

Buddy333
12-19-2012, 01:17 AM
The passing attack was doing ok early on though. The problem was Eli. Two interceptions and a couple of inaccurate throws slowed them down. Then like all year they struggled in he red zone and settled for a field goal attempt that they missed. Pretty sure it was Hixon that made a nice catch and run to the 20. That was it. The where in he red zone. No TD.

joemorrisforprez
12-19-2012, 01:42 AM
The passing attack was doing ok early on though. The problem was Eli. Two interceptions and a couple of inaccurate throws slowed them down. Then like all year they struggled in he red zone and settled for a field goal attempt that they missed. Pretty sure it was Hixon that made a nice catch and run to the 20. That was it. The where in he red zone. No TD.

As much as I rag on Gilbride, Eli was the main reason this offense floundered. Like you said, the INTs and the missed throws were a huge problem.

What concerned me even more was his missed reads.....that first INT was jumped route.....his 2nd INT was likewise a forced throw.....on both plays, he had other options.

My biggest gripe with Gilbride is that the offense sinks or swims with Manning. To me, that's not Giant Football. I can remember many games where Simms struggled, but he was bailed out by his running game, defense, special teams, etc.

Last week, I really though Wilson proved that he had the ability as both a runner and special teamer to help supercharge this team. That's why I was so upset when Gilbride gave him the hook in favor of Lumpkin.

The final score was a perfect indicator of how smart that move was.

GiantRoc
12-19-2012, 01:52 AM
I didn't see the game because the stupid Bill's were on Fox. Carl definitely painted a grim picture during the game. What did Wilson do to get yanked? He averaged 4.6 yds per carry. I really think we are sunk. We can't win with Eli playing so consistently bad. There has been not been much sign of improvement.

BuffyBlueII
12-19-2012, 02:37 AM
As much as I rag on Gilbride, Eli was the main reason this offense floundered. Like you said, the INTs and the missed throws were a huge problem.

What concerned me even more was his missed reads.....that first INT was jumped route.....his 2nd INT was likewise a forced throw.....on both plays, he had other options.

My biggest gripe with Gilbride is that the offense sinks or swims with Manning. To me, that's not Giant Football. I can remember many games where Simms struggled, but he was bailed out by his running game, defense, special teams, etc.

Last week, I really though Wilson proved that he had the ability as both a runner and special teamer to help supercharge this team. That's why I was so upset when Gilbride gave him the hook in favor of Lumpkin.

The final score was a perfect indicator of how smart that move was.

In spite of our OC and his garbage schemes, Eli Manning is also the main reason why we win.