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Rudyy
12-19-2012, 04:00 PM
What does chucking and ducking mean? Is it when Eli chucks the ball up for grabs and then he ducks to avoid getting hit? Thanks.

Morehead State
12-19-2012, 04:02 PM
What does chucking and ducking mean? Is it when Eli chucks the ball up for grabs and then he ducks to avoid getting hit? Thanks.
Yes. Because it compromises your mechanics and makes it more unlikely for a completion and more likely for a pick.

Flip Empty
12-19-2012, 04:04 PM
Throwing wobblers, I thought. I like your definition better, though.

Rudyy
12-19-2012, 04:06 PM
Got it.

45Jones
12-19-2012, 04:24 PM
I think the winning pass in the first Skins' game would fall under this category.

Morehead State
12-19-2012, 04:31 PM
I think the winning pass in the first Skins' game would fall under this category.
Plenty of completed passes happen with that. Peyton does it as much as anybody. And generally speaking the guys who get hurt more are guys who stand tall in the pocket and take the hits in order to wait for a guy to break open. Joe Namath had his career cut riddled with injuries and shortened because he was a tough SOB in the pocket. Phil Simms as well.
If you want to say that it preserves your career that's fine.

byron
12-19-2012, 04:40 PM
two yard pass to a D line man....here you take it !!

Kruunch
12-19-2012, 04:43 PM
What does chucking and ducking mean? Is it when Eli chucks the ball up for grabs and then he ducks to avoid getting hit? Thanks.

It's just a slang term for the "Run-and-Shoot" which Gilbride orchestrated way back in his days as an OC for the Oilers.

Kruunch
12-19-2012, 04:44 PM
Yes. Because it compromises your mechanics and makes it more unlikely for a completion and more likely for a pick.

Except Eli completes those more times than he doesn't ... and to the right team. :p

Morehead State
12-19-2012, 04:46 PM
Except Eli completes those more times than he doesn't ... and to the right team. :p
I've never seen a review of all his passes where he's "chucked and ducked".
But if you say so.......

Moke
12-19-2012, 04:48 PM
That sounds like a good porn name for Elisha Manning.

Rudyy
12-19-2012, 04:50 PM
That sounds like a good porn name for Elisha Manning.Don't make me tell TC on you, Kevin.

Moke
12-19-2012, 04:51 PM
Don't make me tell TC on you, Kevin.

It's the only successful way. Me and TC always share secrets when spooning.

Rudyy
12-19-2012, 05:02 PM
It's the only successful way. Me and TC always share secrets when spooning.You mean the super secret draw play you designed?

Moke
12-19-2012, 05:10 PM
You mean the super secret draw play you designed?

That was his idea while we were watching "Shotgun and my baby"

Rudyy
12-19-2012, 05:41 PM
That was his idea while we were watching "Shotgun and my baby"haha

ELI_HOF_NYG
12-19-2012, 07:01 PM
What does chucking and ducking mean? Is it when Eli chucks the ball up for grabs and then he ducks to avoid getting hit? Thanks.

side note**see mark sanchez

YATittle1962
12-19-2012, 07:14 PM
it is what Buddy Ryan called the Run & Shoot offense while he and Gilbride were in Houston because he hated it even though it was a highly potent offense with Warren Moon manning it

Buddy hated sight adjusted routes and teams who leaned heavily on the pass......he believed it had no place in football.......

shows how out dated he was becoming since today every team in the league uses sight adjusted routes and it had become just about as common as the sluggo route....not to mention how the whole league leans heavily on the pass

brad
12-19-2012, 07:22 PM
What does chucking and ducking mean? Is it when Eli chucks the ball up for grabs and then he ducks to avoid getting hit? Thanks.

Chuck and Duck was a term originating from Buddy Ryan about the KG offense. He said this when he was HC of the Eagles shortly after the Eagles dominated Houston.

What he meant by it was that the offense was all about passing, and that all you had to do was go after the QB.. and the QB would have to chuck it up in the air while avoiding the pass rush.

TheAnalyst
12-19-2012, 09:09 PM
Eli does this more then most QBs. He doesn't even see half his passes after he throws it. It's the reason why he isn't sacked much and has high interception rates. It's Gilbrides system. Eli has to wait for his receivers to get open. He rarely has a hot route or quick slant to go to. Even an emergency screen would be nice and help Eli's numbers.

Rudyy
12-19-2012, 09:11 PM
I was just about to ask;
Is it the system or bad mechanics..or both?

Marvelousmik
12-19-2012, 09:18 PM
the 2 interceptions from last week are 100% on Eli. The ability for guys not to get open are probably on the scheme. But the only way to know for sure if guys arent getting open is to watch the coaches film. I remember a couple plays where there was a guy open but eli missed him. Then there were a couple guys that eli didnt see. For example, on the throw back pass to the runing back, eli had cruz running open toward the sidelines.
But i am sure there are many more where there really was no one to throw to like during the first dallas game.

I do think the plays are a little predictable at times and things need to change. the offensive struggles are on everyone including the coaches. However, both of those particular interceptions that game are 110% on eli. the first one was a bad decision and the second was both a bad throw and decision. Just like the 2 vs the saints.

Harooni
12-19-2012, 09:25 PM
they are hoping for a catch or PI call. they seem to live and die by the deep chucks in this offense.

TextureDj
12-19-2012, 09:39 PM
It's just a slang term for the "Run-and-Shoot" which Gilbride orchestrated way back in his days as an OC for the Oilers.

^ this.

Q: What is Chuck and Duck?

A: Dont ask Buddy Ryan, if you do, Duck.

giantsfan420
12-20-2012, 03:07 AM
Plenty of completed passes happen with that. Peyton does it as much as anybody. And generally speaking the guys who get hurt more are guys who stand tall in the pocket and take the hits in order to wait for a guy to break open. Joe Namath had his career cut riddled with injuries and shortened because he was a tough SOB in the pocket. Phil Simms as well.
If you want to say that it preserves your career that's fine.lol this is such a biased logical fallacy its not even funny. eli stands as tall in the pocket as anyone. this chucking and ducking is nothing more than elis style of avoiding hits throwing off his back foot. people act like he isnt getting hit or something lmao smh, he still gets hit, he just knows how to contort his body for longevity...completely ridic statement that he doesnt stand tall in the pocket lmao...

giantsfan420
12-20-2012, 03:09 AM
what it is imo is, eli throws off his back foot and historically, u didnt want ur qb to do that. well ever since its been explained that in todays nfl, qbs have to be able to throw off their back foot bc its rare the qb doesnt get pressured and besides that, eli's been successful as **** and he makes a ton of throws off his back foot, under pressure, that frankly other qbs dream of being able to make...so this whole chucking and ducking thing, imo, is just another example of moving the goal posts back 10 yds...

BuffyBlueII
12-20-2012, 03:19 AM
Plenty of completed passes happen with that. Peyton does it as much as anybody. And generally speaking the guys who get hurt more are guys who stand tall in the pocket and take the hits in order to wait for a guy to break open. Joe Namath had his career cut riddled with injuries and shortened because he was a tough SOB in the pocket. Phil Simms as well.
If you want to say that it preserves your career that's fine.

Joe Namath had his career cut short because sports medicine at the time wasn’t able to deal with the damage to his knees. Joe Namath even if healthy, would have never been as good as Eli Manning.

ashleymarie
12-20-2012, 03:20 AM
^ this.

Q: What is Chuck and Duck?

A: Dont ask Buddy Ryan, if you do, Duck.

Thanks for the laugh. I have many memories of Ryan, none good, but the best one is when Jimmy Johnson called him "fat ***" and Ryan said he had lost some weight and was looking fine.

ashleymarie
12-20-2012, 03:22 AM
what it is imo is, eli throws off his back foot and historically, u didnt want ur qb to do that. well ever since its been explained that in todays nfl, qbs have to be able to throw off their back foot bc its rare the qb doesnt get pressured and besides that, eli's been successful as **** and he makes a ton of throws off his back foot, under pressure, that frankly other qbs dream of being able to make...so this whole chucking and ducking thing, imo, is just another example of moving the goal posts back 10 yds...

Eli does what he does and does it well. I believe in him. :)

BuffyBlueII
12-20-2012, 03:23 AM
lol this is such a biased logical fallacy its not even funny. eli stands as tall in the pocket as anyone. this chucking and ducking is nothing more than elis style of avoiding hits throwing off his back foot. people act like he isnt getting hit or something lmao smh, he still gets hit, he just knows how to contort his body for longevity...completely ridic statement that he doesnt stand tall in the pocket lmao...

+1

Rat_bastich
12-20-2012, 03:42 AM
I was just about to ask;
Is it the system or bad mechanics..or both?

It's both. It's a slang term used for the Fun and Gun/Run and Shoot and is a derogatory term used for trying to get rid of the ball quickly and usually short arming it...sometimes not even looking where it goes.

Usually quarterbacks start chucking and ducking when pass rushers get to them. They start hearing footsteps and usually aren't set to throw, but do it anyways. (see Jim Everett).

45Jones
12-20-2012, 08:51 AM
Eli does what he does and does it well. I believe in him. :)

Cue the singer....

"I believe in Eli...I believe he can touch the sky...I believe in Eli...I believe he can let it fly..." :)

Shockeystays08
12-20-2012, 10:29 AM
He is a chucker and a ducker. But it works out more often than not. My problem with him is he locks into a receiver and forces those chucks to covered receivers and lacks the balls to hang in and scan the field for an open guy. Looking one way and throwing the other, scanning the field and making adjustments to the 2nd and third options are QB 101. Seems like Eli got maybe a C in that course. If he doesn't get his act together he will be known as a Chucker, Ducker and f $!?@er

Rudyy
12-20-2012, 10:35 AM
Ok so wait, would this classify as chucking an ducking?
http://youtu.be/GWjU87kvdEA

Morehead State
12-20-2012, 10:37 AM
Ok so wait, would this classify as chucking an ducking?
http://youtu.be/GWjU87kvdEA
Not to me...just looked like a great play.

Ruttiger711
12-20-2012, 10:55 AM
You will rarely see "chuck and duck" associated with a completion... only if the RESULT is an incomplete or INT

Rudyy
12-20-2012, 10:56 AM
You will rarely see "chuck and duck" associated with a completion... only if the RESULT is an incomplete or INTSo basically it's not a planned throw

Kruunch
12-20-2012, 10:59 AM
So basically it's not a planned throw

Lol no, not planned. Eli gets hit when he Chucks and Ducks ... and instead of taking it on the chin, he pivots and turns away from the tackle as he's throwing.

It looks awful (like a kid throwing up his lunch money for grabs) but it's just his style (and keeps him from getting Aikman disease).

Ruttiger711
12-20-2012, 11:00 AM
So basically it's not a planned throw

It could be planned - albeit rushed or improvised... but what I was saying is typically I see people use it as a negative description based primarily on a bad result.