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jomo
06-05-2011, 08:53 AM
Let me advance the candiacy of this former #1 pick.</P>


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJNM7LVuztxRZqU3eOUHx8NcNUijz3t P9tqptXZsfZbfSn2b3VPw</P>

rbcarpenter
06-05-2011, 08:54 AM
Who was our biggest 1st round disappointment?</P>


I'm struggling to separate Rocky Thomson, Derek Brown, and Cedric Jones.</P>

Disappointment is a hard one, because 1st it would require an expectation. Now I am a big fan of all of the Giants' 1st round picks, but it doesn't mean I always have high expectations of them. Off the top of my head that eliminates both Wheatley and Dayne as both turned out to be much better than I expected. Staying with RB Hampton was about as good as I expected and the 1st draft I remember, so not him. Prince, JPP, Nicks and Phillips are all too early in their careers to qualify.

Shockey was a disappointment, but in a different way. Will Allen was almost as good as expected, so disappointment? sure, but can't be the biggest. Luke was much better than I originally thought he'd be. Thomas Lewis was another I didn't think much of in the 1st place and he didn't disappoint. Ike was the best WR taken in that 1st round and a darn good player but a slight disappointment. Eli (yes technically not a Giants draft pick) while isn't a hall of fame candidate is a darn good QB. Kiwi is a disappointment due to injuries and too many great guys in front of him but has performed as expected when out on the field. And Aaron Ross was a pick I did not like, but hoped for the best, only thing I liked was he was a good PR and they never used him there. So...that leaves me with...

Bunch
Derek Brown
Dave Brown (what are the odds of drafting 2 consecutive 1st round busts with the same last name and 1st initial?)
Cedric Jones
Shaun Williams
William Joseph

Bunch I loved and when healthy was a top FB both blocking and running. Hard for me to tag a guy just for getting himself hurt when there are other very worthy candidates. Jones may be due to place in the draft, but he wasn't terrible player and if he was a 5th round pick people would have been very happy with him. My knee jerk would be Williams, I thought he would be the next great safety (now I pin my hopes on KP), but while a disappointment he was a serviceable player. That leaves me with the Browns....hmmm...hard.

Dave at least did something, while mostly bad, he did provide something to the team. Derek was about as useful as mat they scrape their cleats on before they go in the locker room. High 1st round pick and even if you had low expectations of him, he managed to not even achieve those. So the gold star for useless disappoint that meets the level on the drunk uncle who's been unemployed or 25 years and always knocks over the buffet at BBQs.....I give you.....DEREK BROWN

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0804/nfl.draft.busts/images/gallery_brown.jpg

you know that photo has to be from pre-game warm-ups....HE NEVER GOT HIS HANDS ON THE BALL DURING A GAME,LOL![;)]

rbcarpenter
06-05-2011, 08:55 AM
Let me advance the candiacy of this former #1 pick.</P>


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJNM7LVuztxRZqU3eOUHx8NcNUijz3t P9tqptXZsfZbfSn2b3VPw</P>john hicks,ohio state?

zimonami
06-05-2011, 11:27 AM
Who was our biggest 1st round disappointment?</P>


I'm struggling to separate Rocky Thomson, Derek Brown, and Cedric Jones.</P>




Disappointment is a hard one, because 1st it would require an expectation. Now I am a big fan of all of the Giants' 1st round picks, but it doesn't mean I always have high expectations of them. Off the top of my head that eliminates both Wheatley and Dayne as both turned out to be much better than I expected. Staying with RB Hampton was about as good as I expected and the 1st draft I remember, so not him. Prince, JPP, Nicks and Phillips are all too early in their careers to qualify.

Shockey was a disappointment, but in a different way. Will Allen was almost as good as expected, so disappointment? sure, but can't be the biggest. Luke was much better than I originally thought he'd be. Thomas Lewis was another I didn't think much of in the 1st place and he didn't disappoint. Ike was the best WR taken in that 1st round and a darn good player but a slight disappointment. Eli (yes technically not a Giants draft pick) while isn't a hall of fame candidate is a darn good QB. Kiwi is a disappointment due to injuries and too many great guys in front of him but has performed as expected when out on the field. And Aaron Ross was a pick I did not like, but hoped for the best, only thing I liked was he was a good PR and they never used him there. So...that leaves me with...

Bunch
Derek Brown
Dave Brown (what are the odds of drafting 2 consecutive 1st round busts with the same last name and 1st initial?)
Cedric Jones
Shaun Williams
William Joseph

Bunch I loved and when healthy was a top FB both blocking and running. Hard for me to tag a guy just for getting himself hurt when there are other very worthy candidates. Jones may be due to place in the draft, but he wasn't terrible player and if he was a 5th round pick people would have been very happy with him. My knee jerk would be Williams, I thought he would be the next great safety (now I pin my hopes on KP), but while a disappointment he was a serviceable player. That leaves me with the Browns....hmmm...hard.

Dave at least did something, while mostly bad, he did provide something to the team. Derek was about as useful as mat they scrape their cleats on before they go in the locker room. High 1st round pick and even if you had low expectations of him, he managed to not even achieve those. So the gold star for useless disappoint that meets the level on the drunk uncle who's been unemployed or 25 years and always knocks over the buffet at BBQs.....I give you.....DEREK BROWN

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0804/nfl.draft.busts/images/gallery_brown.jpg

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Many good points. I'll take your word, "serviceable".. and agree. I was never disappointed in a 1st round pick who was not nearly as good asI hoped, based on being a number 1, as long as they 'tried' and contributed, and were good enough to at least play 3-4 years.We had many of those... Wm. Joseph, Cedric Jones, Tyrone, and even Ron Dayne. John Hicks was 'serviceable'. Dave Brown was serviceable. Derek Brown played a limited number of snaps over his short career because he stunk...I think the same of Rocky Thompson.</P>

zimonami
06-05-2011, 12:17 PM
I'm gonna list our 1st Rnd picks 10 at a time, starting with the 70's, and let's see what our consensus is. I rated them... (B) Total bust; (D) Disappointing; (S) Serviceable; (H) Happy with them</P>


Jim Files Between S and H. Plenty of heart... just wasn't an LT</P>


Rocky ThompsonB</P>


Eldridge SmallD</P>


Brad Van PeltH</P>


John HicksS</P>


Al SimpsonD</P>


Troy ArcherH</P>


Gary JeterS, and was sometimes an H. Lacked the mean, maniacal streak needed at his position.</P>


Gordon KingS Coulda been an H with fewer injuries</P>


Phil SimmsH</P>

YATittle1962
06-05-2011, 12:43 PM
I'm gonna list our 1st Rnd picks 10 at a time, starting with the 70's, and let's see what our consensus is.* I rated them...* (B) Total bust;* (D) Disappointing; (S) Serviceable; (H) Happy with them</P>


Jim Files** Between S and H. Plenty of heart... just wasn't an LT</P>


Rocky Thompson******B</P>


Eldridge Small******D</P>


Brad Van Pelt*******H</P>


John Hicks******S</P>


Al Simpson******D</P>


Troy Archer******H</P>


Gary Jeter******S, and was sometimes an H.* Lacked the mean, maniacal streak needed at his position.</P>


Gordon King******S* Coulda been an H with fewer injuries</P>


Phil Simms******H</P>

I really liked Jeter......but he was so up and down......one week he would make O linemen look like they were on roller skates and the next week he would completely disappear ....he had great size and sometimes got pushed around by smaller guys........I ran into him a little over a year ago in Atlantic City at a fight........a good friend of mine was his driver for the evening........he talked a lot about his daughter who is apparently a fine athlete

Eldridge Small was someone I expected a lot from coming into the league ....... I thought Spider would take him under his wing both being Texans...... but he proved to not have the skill we needed back there

jomo
06-05-2011, 02:07 PM
Let me advance the candiacy of this former #1 pick.</P>


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJNM7LVuztxRZqU3eOUHx8NcNUijz3t P9tqptXZsfZbfSn2b3VPw</P>john hicks,ohio state?That's him RBC! Elected to the college football hall of fame because of his legendary production in front of Archie Griffin. As a pro, injuries and who knows what else relegated him to not much at all over his 3 years with us. I had such high hopes for him.

allentown PA
06-05-2011, 07:00 PM
Let me advance the candiacy of this former #1 pick.</P>


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJNM7LVuztxRZqU3eOUHx8NcNUijz3t P9tqptXZsfZbfSn2b3VPw</P>john hicks,ohio state?

I never heard of him but he looks like he would have been good.

jmike
06-06-2011, 02:21 AM
Let me advance the candiacy of this former #1 pick.</p>


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJNM7LVuztxRZqU3eOUHx8NcNUijz3t P9tqptXZsfZbfSn2b3VPw</p>john hicks,ohio state?

I never heard of him but he looks like he would have been good.

I wonder if people kept calling him Nicks.....

zimonami
06-06-2011, 10:00 AM
Let me advance the candiacy of this former #1 pick.</P>


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJNM7LVuztxRZqU3eOUHx8NcNUijz3t P9tqptXZsfZbfSn2b3VPw</P>


john hicks,ohio state? I never heard of him but he looks like he would have been good.

I wonder if people kept calling him Nicks.....
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lmao</P>

ny06
06-06-2011, 02:37 PM
A buddy of mine asked me this question the other day and it was a good one....Who was a giant player that u really liked, but they were never that good for us???? For me it was Lamar McGriggs.</P>


Corey Miller (He had that good season in 93, but injuries got the best of him)</P>


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jints10
06-07-2011, 09:20 AM
I'm gonna list our 1st Rnd picks 10 at a time, starting with the 70's, and let's see what our consensus is. I rated them... (B) Total bust; (D) Disappointing; (S) Serviceable; (H) Happy with them</P>


Jim Files Between S and H. Plenty of heart... just wasn't an LT</P>


Rocky ThompsonB</P>


Eldridge SmallD</P>


Brad Van PeltH</P>


John HicksS</P>


Al SimpsonD</P>


Troy ArcherH</P>


Gary JeterS, and was sometimes an H. Lacked the mean, maniacal streak needed at his position.</P>


Gordon KingS Coulda been an H with fewer injuries</P>


Phil SimmsH</P>


I really liked Jeter......but he was so up and down......one week he would make O linemen look like they were on roller skates and the next week he would completely disappear ....he had great size and sometimes got pushed around by smaller guys........I ran into him a little over a year ago in Atlantic City at a fight........a good friend of mine was his driver for the evening........he talked a lot about his daughter who is apparently a fine athlete Eldridge Small was someone I expected a lot from coming into the league ....... I thought Spider would take him under his wing both being Texans...... but he proved to not have the skill we needed back there</P>


Good assessment on Jeter YA, he always played well but you kinda thought if he had half a motor he would be preannial pro bowler.</P>


How would you rank these three players?</P>


Gary Jeter</P>


Kieth Hamelton</P>


Lenord Marshall</P>


For me it would be Hammer, Marshall, Jeter but not much seperating em</P>

zimonami
06-07-2011, 10:30 AM
I'm gonna list our 1st Rnd picks 10 at a time, starting with the 70's, and let's see what our consensus is. I rated them... (B) Total bust; (D) Disappointing; (S) Serviceable; (H) Happy with them</P>


Jim Files Between S and H. Plenty of heart... just wasn't an LT</P>


Rocky ThompsonB</P>


Eldridge SmallD</P>


Brad Van PeltH</P>


John HicksS</P>


Al SimpsonD</P>


Troy ArcherH</P>


Gary JeterS, and was sometimes an H. Lacked the mean, maniacal streak needed at his position.</P>


Gordon KingS Coulda been an H with fewer injuries</P>


Phil SimmsH</P>


I really liked Jeter......but he was so up and down......one week he would make O linemen look like they were on roller skates and the next week he would completely disappear ....he had great size and sometimes got pushed around by smaller guys........I ran into him a little over a year ago in Atlantic City at a fight........a good friend of mine was his driver for the evening........he talked a lot about his daughter who is apparently a fine athlete Eldridge Small was someone I expected a lot from coming into the league ....... I thought Spider would take him under his wing both being Texans...... but he proved to not have the skill we needed back there</P>


Good assessment on Jeter YA, he always played well but you kinda thought if he had half a motor he would be preannial pro bowler.</P>


How would you rank these three players?</P>


Gary Jeter</P>


Kieth Hamelton</P>


Lenord Marshall</P>


For me it would be Hammer, Marshall, Jeter but not much seperating em</P>


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I'd rank Marshall and Hammer a step above Jeter. They rarely took a play off and never looked overmatched... Jeter disappeared sometimes, like YA said.</P>

NYG 5
06-07-2011, 11:18 AM
marshall
hammer
jeter


marshall had like 83 career sacks i think, hamilton had 63. and marshall had better playoff performances

zimonami
06-07-2011, 01:17 PM
marshall
hammer
jeter


marshall had like 83 career sacks i think, hamilton had 63. and marshall had better playoff performances
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Agree... and Hammer played with us a year or 2 longer than Marshall did.</P>

YATittle1962
06-07-2011, 01:26 PM
marshall
hammer
jeter


marshall had like 83 career sacks i think, hamilton had 63. and marshall had better playoff performances
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Agree... and Hammer played with us a year or 2 longer than Marshall did.</P>

I liked Jeter......but im not sure I would put him in the same sentence as L. Marshall

and I always loved the spark that Hammer brought to the team......I always felt like Strahan and the guys loved him dearly....

to me there was something about Christian Peter that lit up that D line........he to gave me the feeling that guys loved playing with him ....he was a great block eater

Jeter was a tough guy though.....not taking anything away from the years he gave us ......I was a fan of his

NYG 5
06-07-2011, 06:24 PM
Ah, christian peter, that guy was just an animal. Man, that late 90's line was deep.

rbcarpenter
06-07-2011, 07:27 PM
there's a name i haven't heard in a while-chistian peter.i always thought he was the last link in that line that made it pretty darn special.[Y]

zimonami
06-07-2011, 08:55 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</P>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</P>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</P>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</P>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</P>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</P>


'85 - George Adams ... D</P>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</P>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</P>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</P>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</P>


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rbcarpenter
06-07-2011, 09:00 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</P>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</P>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</P>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</P>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</P>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</P>


'85 - George Adams ... D</P>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</P>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</P>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</P>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</P>


</P>i agree with 9 of your 10 assessments.the only one i don't completely agree with is george adams.reason being is that his rookie year,i was VERY happy with him.then came the hip injury,and he disappeared..i would give him an "i" for incomplete.

zimonami
06-07-2011, 10:02 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</P>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</P>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</P>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</P>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</P>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</P>


'85 - George Adams ... D</P>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</P>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</P>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</P>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</P>


</P>


i agree with 9 of your 10 assessments.the only one i don't completely agree with is george adams.reason being is that his rookie year,i was VERY happy with him.then came the hip injury,and he disappeared..i would give him an "i" for incomplete.</P>


Maybe... let's see what some others think. </P>


He had a decent rookie year with nearly 500 yds rushing and 400 yds receiving. I personally thought he should have gotten more time but he got in Parcell's doghouse at the beginning of the year for fumbling in the red zone. </P>


Then he was injured in '86 (and missed the SB... poor guy). Then he had a low number of carries each of the next 3 yrs... '87, '88, and '89. The totals for his last 3 years just aboutequalled what he did in his rookie year.... so, in 4 years he had about 1,000 yds rushing.</P>

Roswell777
06-08-2011, 07:43 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</p>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</p>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</p>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</p>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</p>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</p>


'85 - George Adams ... D</p>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</p>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</p>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</p>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</p>


</p>


i agree with 9 of your 10 assessments.the only one i don't completely agree with is george adams.reason being is that his rookie year,i was VERY happy with him.then came the hip injury,and he disappeared..i would give him an "i" for incomplete.</p>


Maybe... let's see what some others think. </p>


He had a decent rookie year with nearly 500 yds rushing and 400 yds receiving. I personally thought he should have gotten more time but he got in Parcell's doghouse at the beginning of the year for fumbling in the red zone. </p>


Then he was injured in '86 (and missed the SB... poor guy). Then he had a low number of carries each of the next 3 yrs... '87, '88, and '89. The totals for his last 3 years just aboutequalled what he did in his rookie year.... so, in 4 years he had about 1,000 yds rushing.</p>

The funny thing about the Giants is there are times when they drafted two players for the same position, in the first and second round and invariably the second pick panned out better than the first.

I think the year they drafted Woolfolk they also drafted Joe Morris in the 2nd round and the year they drafted Moore on their next pick they got Jumbo Elliot. Also in 2003 they drafted William Joseph with their first pick and Umenyiora in round 2. They've been much more productive in round 2 (Strahan, Toomer, Barber etc.) than in round 1.

There are probably more examples of this but none come to mind at this point.

I thought Mark Haynes was a very very good player for them and kind of felt bad that he left for the Broncos the year the Giants went all the way. But it all worked out.

zimonami
06-08-2011, 08:49 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</P>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</P>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</P>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</P>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</P>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</P>


'85 - George Adams ... D</P>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</P>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</P>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</P>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</P>


</P>


i agree with 9 of your 10 assessments.the only one i don't completely agree with is george adams.reason being is that his rookie year,i was VERY happy with him.then came the hip injury,and he disappeared..i would give him an "i" for incomplete.</P>


Maybe... let's see what some others think. </P>


He had a decent rookie year with nearly 500 yds rushing and 400 yds receiving. I personally thought he should have gotten more time but he got in Parcell's doghouse at the beginning of the year for fumbling in the red zone. </P>


Then he was injured in '86 (and missed the SB... poor guy). Then he had a low number of carries each of the next 3 yrs... '87, '88, and '89. The totals for his last 3 years just aboutequalled what he did in his rookie year.... so, in 4 years he had about 1,000 yds rushing.</P>




The funny thing about the Giants is there are times when they drafted two players for the same position, in the first and second round and invariably the second pick panned out better than the first.

I think the year they drafted Woolfolk they also drafted Joe Morris in the 2nd round and the year they drafted Moore on their next pick they got Jumbo Elliot. Also in 2003 they drafted William Joseph with their first pick and Umenyiora in round 2. They've been much more productive in round 2 (Strahan, Toomer, Barber etc.) than in round 1.

There are probably more examples of this but none come to mind at this point.

I thought Mark Haynes was a very very good player for them and kind of felt bad that he left for the Broncos the year the Giants went all the way. But it all worked out.
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I agree with you, Ros... I think many would agree that we've had better picks at #2 and #3 than at #1 over the years.</P>

jomo
06-09-2011, 09:02 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</P>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</P>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</P>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</P>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</P>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</P>


'85 - George Adams ... D</P>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</P>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</P>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</P>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</P>


</P>


i agree with 9 of your 10 assessments.the only one i don't completely agree with is george adams.reason being is that his rookie year,i was VERY happy with him.then came the hip injury,and he disappeared..i would give him an "i" for incomplete.</P>


Maybe... let's see what some others think. </P>


He had a decent rookie year with nearly 500 yds rushing and 400 yds receiving. I personally thought he should have gotten more time but he got in Parcell's doghouse at the beginning of the year for fumbling in the red zone. </P>


Then he was injured in '86 (and missed the SB... poor guy). Then he had a low number of carries each of the next 3 yrs... '87, '88, and '89. The totals for his last 3 years just aboutequalled what he did in his rookie year.... so, in 4 years he had about 1,000 yds rushing.</P>




The funny thing about the Giants is there are times when they drafted two players for the same position, in the first and second round and invariably the second pick panned out better than the first.

I think the year they drafted Woolfolk they also drafted Joe Morris in the 2nd round and the year they drafted Moore on their next pick they got Jumbo Elliot. Also in 2003 they drafted William Joseph with their first pick and Umenyiora in round 2. They've been much more productive in round 2 (Strahan, Toomer, Barber etc.) than in round 1.

There are probably more examples of this but none come to mind at this point.

I thought Mark Haynes was a very very good player for them and kind of felt bad that he left for the Broncos the year the Giants went all the way. But it all worked out.
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I agree with you, Ros... I think many would agree that we've had better picks at #2 and #3 than at #1 over the years.</P>Totally agree. A few years ago after we sent those #1s to San Diego for Eli, I did some research to see what a #1 has really been worth to us. I went back as far as I could remember the players drafted. I looked at nearly 40 years and what I found out was that our success rate on #1 picks is not good at all. (something like 6 or 7 great players in 40 years and about 20 flat out busts) That told me, if you have a player you really want, use the #1 pick as a chip. What I never got around to was researching whether our results were better, worse or the same as other teams.

zimonami
06-09-2011, 09:41 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</P>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</P>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</P>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</P>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</P>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</P>


'85 - George Adams ... D</P>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</P>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</P>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</P>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</P>


</P>


i agree with 9 of your 10 assessments.the only one i don't completely agree with is george adams.reason being is that his rookie year,i was VERY happy with him.then came the hip injury,and he disappeared..i would give him an "i" for incomplete.</P>


Maybe... let's see what some others think. </P>


He had a decent rookie year with nearly 500 yds rushing and 400 yds receiving. I personally thought he should have gotten more time but he got in Parcell's doghouse at the beginning of the year for fumbling in the red zone. </P>


Then he was injured in '86 (and missed the SB... poor guy). Then he had a low number of carries each of the next 3 yrs... '87, '88, and '89. The totals for his last 3 years just aboutequalled what he did in his rookie year.... so, in 4 years he had about 1,000 yds rushing.</P>




The funny thing about the Giants is there are times when they drafted two players for the same position, in the first and second round and invariably the second pick panned out better than the first.

I think the year they drafted Woolfolk they also drafted Joe Morris in the 2nd round and the year they drafted Moore on their next pick they got Jumbo Elliot. Also in 2003 they drafted William Joseph with their first pick and Umenyiora in round 2. They've been much more productive in round 2 (Strahan, Toomer, Barber etc.) than in round 1.

There are probably more examples of this but none come to mind at this point.

I thought Mark Haynes was a very very good player for them and kind of felt bad that he left for the Broncos the year the Giants went all the way. But it all worked out.
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I agree with you, Ros... I think many would agree that we've had better picks at #2 and #3 than at #1 over the years.</P>


Totally agree. A few years ago after we sent those #1s to San Diego for Eli, I did some research to see what a #1 has really been worth to us. I went back as far as I could remember the players drafted. I looked at nearly 40 years and what I found out was that our success rate on #1 picks is not good at all. (something like 6 or 7 great players in 40 years and about 20 flat out busts) That told me, if you have a player you really want, use the #1 pick as a chip. What I never got around to was researching whether our results were better, worse or the same as other teams.</P>


Good stuff, jomo. I think over 40 years I think most things even out and most teams probably have similar success ratios. There are probably some teams that have been worse than others and some better, but most mediocre, like us... about 15%. One team that has been glaringly bad over the past 10-15 years is Oakland... at least in my memory.</P>


Tomorrow I'll list the picks in the 90's... maybe we'll get a few more remarks from peeps. The 90's begins jmike's bailiwick... I'm sure she has some strong opinions.</P>

jomo
06-09-2011, 11:21 PM
OK, there should be more peeps with opinions about Our #1 draft picks in the 80's.My opinion of them... B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H - very happy with his career as a Gman</P>


'80 - Mark Haynes... mostly H</P>


'81 - LT... I think he did OK</P>


'82 - Butch Woolfolk... I'll say between a D and an S</P>


'83 - Terry Kinard... H</P>


'84 - Carl Banks ... H</P>


'85 - George Adams ... D</P>


'86 - Eric Dorsey... between a D and an S</P>


'87 - Mark Ingram... S</P>


'88 - Eric Moore... between an S and an H</P>


'89 - Brian Williams... between an S and an H</P>


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i agree with 9 of your 10 assessments.the only one i don't completely agree with is george adams.reason being is that his rookie year,i was VERY happy with him.then came the hip injury,and he disappeared..i would give him an "i" for incomplete.</P>


Maybe... let's see what some others think. </P>


He had a decent rookie year with nearly 500 yds rushing and 400 yds receiving. I personally thought he should have gotten more time but he got in Parcell's doghouse at the beginning of the year for fumbling in the red zone. </P>


Then he was injured in '86 (and missed the SB... poor guy). Then he had a low number of carries each of the next 3 yrs... '87, '88, and '89. The totals for his last 3 years just aboutequalled what he did in his rookie year.... so, in 4 years he had about 1,000 yds rushing.</P>




The funny thing about the Giants is there are times when they drafted two players for the same position, in the first and second round and invariably the second pick panned out better than the first.

I think the year they drafted Woolfolk they also drafted Joe Morris in the 2nd round and the year they drafted Moore on their next pick they got Jumbo Elliot. Also in 2003 they drafted William Joseph with their first pick and Umenyiora in round 2. They've been much more productive in round 2 (Strahan, Toomer, Barber etc.) than in round 1.

There are probably more examples of this but none come to mind at this point.

I thought Mark Haynes was a very very good player for them and kind of felt bad that he left for the Broncos the year the Giants went all the way. But it all worked out.
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I agree with you, Ros... I think many would agree that we've had better picks at #2 and #3 than at #1 over the years.</P>


Totally agree. A few years ago after we sent those #1s to San Diego for Eli, I did some research to see what a #1 has really been worth to us. I went back as far as I could remember the players drafted. I looked at nearly 40 years and what I found out was that our success rate on #1 picks is not good at all. (something like 6 or 7 great players in 40 years and about 20 flat out busts) That told me, if you have a player you really want, use the #1 pick as a chip. What I never got around to was researching whether our results were better, worse or the same as other teams.</P>


Good stuff, jomo. I think over 40 years I think most things even out and most teams probably have similar success ratios. There are probably some teams that have been worse than others and some better, but most mediocre, like us... about 15%. One team that has been glaringly bad over the past 10-15 years is Oakland... at least in my memory.</P>


Tomorrow I'll list the picks in the 90's... maybe we'll get a few more remarks from peeps. The 90's begins jmike's bailiwick... I'm sure she has some strong opinions.</P>Looking forward to it Zim. I'll hold my own in the 90's but figure jmike will be all over it.

zimonami
06-10-2011, 12:29 PM
OK - YA; rbc; sec... and any other peeps who can join us...</P>


I am getting (1) preseason ticket. </P>


We have: Bears, 8/22 (Monday Night)</P>


Jets, 8/25-29 (to be determined).</P>


I'm not sure which game I'm getting, but hope I can get whichever I want.</P>


Give me your feedback as to which game you'd like to shoot for, if you can go to one or the other.</P>


:)</P>

rbcarpenter
06-10-2011, 01:20 PM
OK - YA; rbc; sec... and any other peeps who can join us...</P>


I am getting (1) preseason ticket. </P>


We have: Bears, 8/22 (Monday Night)</P>


Jets, 8/25-29 (to be determined).</P>


I'm not sure which game I'm getting, but hope I can get whichever I want.</P>


Give me your feedback as to which game you'd like to shoot for, if you can go to one or the other.</P>


:)</P>i have no preferenance...whichever you decise on is good with me,just keep me informed![:D]

jomo
06-10-2011, 02:41 PM
OK - YA; rbc; sec... and any other peeps who can join us...</P>


I am getting (1) preseason ticket. </P>


We have: Bears, 8/22 (Monday Night)</P>


Jets, 8/25-29 (to be determined).</P>


I'm not sure which game I'm getting, but hope I can get whichever I want.</P>


Give me your feedback as to which game you'd like to shoot for, if you can go to one or the other.</P>


:)</P>i have no preferenance...whichever you decise on is good with me,just keep me informed![:D]Same, no preferance, sorry I couldn't connect with the DYK gang last year. Hopefully it happens this time.

ny06
06-10-2011, 02:53 PM
<U>90's 1st round picks</U></P>


The picks with the thumbs up is a good pick.</P>


90: Rodney Hampton [Y]</P>


91: Jarrod Bunch </P>


92: Derek Brown</P>


93: no 1st round pick</P>


94: Thomas Lewis</P>


95: Tyrone Wheatley</P>


96: Cedric Jones</P>


97: Ike Hilliard [Y]</P>


98: Shuan Williams</P>


99: Luke Petitgout</P>


The 1st round picks in the 90s did not pan out, besides Ike Hilliard and Hampton. </P>

zimonami
06-10-2011, 03:30 PM
<U>90's 1st round picks</U></P>


The picks with the thumbs up is a good pick.</P>


90: Rodney Hampton [Y]</P>


91: Jarrod Bunch </P>


92: Derek Brown</P>


93: no 1st round pick</P>


94: Thomas Lewis</P>


95: Tyrone Wheatley</P>


96: Cedric Jones</P>


97: Ike Hilliard [Y]</P>


98: Shuan Williams</P>


99: Luke Petitgout</P>


The 1st round picks in the 90s did not pan out, besides Ike Hilliard and Hampton. </P>


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TY, NY. </P>


B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H A great Giant.</P>


I agree with Rodney. </P>


I'd give Bunch a D to an S. But, he coulda/shoulda been a contenda. </P>


Derek Brown is one of our top Busts of all time, along with Thomas Lewis and Cedric Jones.</P>


Our first pick in '93 was Stray in the 2nd round. He's a keeper :).</P>


Wheatley was Disappointing to Serviceable.</P>


Ike wasthumbs upby the fans, but his injury kept him from being, in my opinion, an overall thumbs up. I'drate him serviceable.</P>


I'll rate Williams and Pettigout both as serviceable. Williams was often top notch</P>

ny06
06-10-2011, 03:37 PM
<U>90's 1st round picks</U></P>


The picks with the thumbs up is a good pick.</P>


90: Rodney Hampton [Y]</P>


91: Jarrod Bunch </P>


92: Derek Brown</P>


93: no 1st round pick</P>


94: Thomas Lewis</P>


95: Tyrone Wheatley</P>


96: Cedric Jones</P>


97: Ike Hilliard [Y]</P>


98: Shuan Williams</P>


99: Luke Petitgout</P>


The 1st round picks in the 90s did not pan out, besides Ike Hilliard and Hampton. </P>


</P>


TY, NY. </P>


B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H A great Giant.</P>


I agree with Rodney. </P>


I'd give Bunch a D to an S. But, he coulda/shoulda been a contenda. </P>


Derek Brown is one of our top Busts of all time, along with Thomas Lewis and Cedric Jones.</P>


Our first pick in '93 was Stray in the 2nd round. He's a keeper :).</P>


Wheatley was Disappointing to Serviceable.</P>


Ike wasthumbs upby the fans, but his injury kept him from being, in my opinion, an overall thumbs up. I'drate him serviceable.</P>


I'll rate Williams and Pettigout both as serviceable. Williams was often top notch</P>


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93 we drafted Strahan in the 2nd and Armstead in the the 8th. What a great draft.</P>


Wheatley played well with the raiders, not soo much with us. </P>


I liked Ike Hilliard alot, yeah he got injured quite a bit, but he was a tough receiver. </P>


S. Williams never panned out to be that great safety out of UCLA. Yeah injuries took away from what he could have done on the field. </P>


Luke Petitgout was good for one thing. False starting.... I can't count how many drives he killed with that. No excuse for false starting at home... But I guess he was not all that bad. </P>


Bunch was a dissapointment, but that could have been due to injuries. </P>

jomo
06-10-2011, 05:39 PM
<U>90's 1st round picks</U></P>


The picks with the thumbs up is a good pick.</P>


90: Rodney Hampton [Y]</P>


91: Jarrod Bunch </P>


92: Derek Brown</P>


93: no 1st round pick</P>


94: Thomas Lewis</P>


95: Tyrone Wheatley</P>


96: Cedric Jones</P>


97: Ike Hilliard [Y]</P>


98: Shuan Williams</P>


99: Luke Petitgout</P>


The 1st round picks in the 90s did not pan out, besides Ike Hilliard and Hampton. </P>


</P>


TY, NY. </P>


B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H A great Giant.</P>


I agree with Rodney. </P>


I'd give Bunch a D to an S. But, he coulda/shoulda been a contenda. </P>


Derek Brown is one of our top Busts of all time, along with Thomas Lewis and Cedric Jones.</P>


Our first pick in '93 was Stray in the 2nd round. He's a keeper :).</P>


Wheatley was Disappointing to Serviceable.</P>


Ike wasthumbs upby the fans, but his injury kept him from being, in my opinion, an overall thumbs up. I'drate him serviceable.</P>


I'll rate Williams and Pettigout both as serviceable. Williams was often top notch</P>I agree with all of this with the notation that Wheatley extended his career elsewhere which on a career basis moved him up to clearly serviceable. Still, this underscores my question yesterday regarding "what is a 1st round pick really worth" when considering it as a chip in a trade discussion? Would you trade Cedric Jones and Thomas Lewis for Eli Manning? There are very few Lawrence Taylors and Phill Simms out there.

NYG 5
06-10-2011, 09:40 PM
petitgout was a damn good tackle, he only had two problems: his back, and his ears

zimonami
06-10-2011, 11:05 PM
petitgout was a damn good tackle, he only had two problems: his back, and his ears
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Your'e right NYG... I think a lot of our memories fall back to that Seattle game, at Seattle, where he just killed us with his movement penalties... ears... the fan noise/piped in noise? had him beat. I've had 3 back ops and know what he felt... he missed a lot because of his back, buthe played many a game with a bad back and always did a good job</P>

zimonami
06-10-2011, 11:07 PM
<U>90's 1st round picks</U></P>


The picks with the thumbs up is a good pick.</P>


90: Rodney Hampton [Y]</P>


91: Jarrod Bunch </P>


92: Derek Brown</P>


93: no 1st round pick</P>


94: Thomas Lewis</P>


95: Tyrone Wheatley</P>


96: Cedric Jones</P>


97: Ike Hilliard [Y]</P>


98: Shuan Williams</P>


99: Luke Petitgout</P>


The 1st round picks in the 90s did not pan out, besides Ike Hilliard and Hampton. </P>


</P>


TY, NY. </P>


B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H A great Giant.</P>


I agree with Rodney. </P>


I'd give Bunch a D to an S. But, he coulda/shoulda been a contenda. </P>


Derek Brown is one of our top Busts of all time, along with Thomas Lewis and Cedric Jones.</P>


Our first pick in '93 was Stray in the 2nd round. He's a keeper :).</P>


Wheatley was Disappointing to Serviceable.</P>


Ike wasthumbs upby the fans, but his injury kept him from being, in my opinion, an overall thumbs up. I'drate him serviceable.</P>


I'll rate Williams and Pettigout both as serviceable. Williams was often top notch</P>


I agree with all of this with the notation that Wheatley extended his career elsewhere which on a career basis moved him up to clearly serviceable. Still, this underscores my question yesterday regarding "what is a 1st round pick really worth" when considering it as a chip in a trade discussion? Would you trade Cedric Jones and Thomas Lewis for Eli Manning? There are very few Lawrence Taylors and Phill Simms out there.</P>


Yes, if Wheatley finished his career here I would have felt his career was totally serviceable. </P>

rbcarpenter
06-10-2011, 11:52 PM
i agree (again for the most part)with you guys assessments.i would rate shaun williams as servicable,for but for a couple of years(again,before the injuries piled up and slowed him down),he was probably a top 5 safety,but he did it fairly quietly,so he never got the press he deserved.

jomo
06-11-2011, 09:24 AM
It is interesting how timeleaves me rememberingsome of these guys even worse than they were. Thomas Lewis had 74 career receptions. I would have said it was less than 20. Same thing with Cedric Jones. He had 32 starts for us in his last two (of four total) season. I would have never guessed that. Both are flat out busts but I remember absolutely zero production from the two of them.

zimonami
06-11-2011, 10:03 AM
It is interesting how timeleaves me rememberingsome of these guys even worse than they were. Thomas Lewis had 74 career receptions. I would have said it was less than 20. Same thing with Cedric Jones. He had 32 starts for us in his last two (of four total) season. I would have never guessed that. Both are flat out busts but I remember absolutely zero production from the two of them.</P>


I'm also surprised, jomo.72 catches for Lewis? Dang, where was I? Of course, 72 catches is a season for a good receiver, not a career.</P>


Cedric started the games while he was here, but he was always ineffective... he was no Leonard Marshall, or Hammer.</P>

Roswell777
06-11-2011, 11:08 AM
<u>90's 1st round picks</u></p>


The picks with the thumbs up is a good pick.</p>


90: Rodney Hampton [Y]</p>


91: Jarrod Bunch </p>


92: Derek Brown</p>


93: no 1st round pick</p>


94: Thomas Lewis</p>


95: Tyrone Wheatley</p>


96: Cedric Jones</p>


97: Ike Hilliard [Y]</p>


98: Shuan Williams</p>


99: Luke Petitgout</p>


The 1st round picks in the 90s did not pan out, besides Ike Hilliard and Hampton. </p>


</p>


TY, NY. </p>


B - Bust; D - Disappointing; S - Serviceable; H A great Giant.</p>


I agree with Rodney. </p>


I'd give Bunch a D to an S. But, he coulda/shoulda been a contenda. </p>


Derek Brown is one of our top Busts of all time, along with Thomas Lewis and Cedric Jones.</p>


Our first pick in '93 was Stray in the 2nd round. He's a keeper :).</p>


Wheatley was Disappointing to Serviceable.</p>


Ike wasthumbs upby the fans, but his injury kept him from being, in my opinion, an overall thumbs up. I'drate him serviceable.</p>


I'll rate Williams and Pettigout both as serviceable. Williams was often top notch</p>


I agree with all of this with the notation that Wheatley extended his career elsewhere which on a career basis moved him up to clearly serviceable. Still, this underscores my question yesterday regarding "what is a 1st round pick really worth" when considering it as a chip in a trade discussion? Would you trade Cedric Jones and Thomas Lewis for Eli Manning? There are very few Lawrence Taylors and Phill Simms out there.</p>


Yes, if Wheatley finished his career here I would have felt his career was totally serviceable. </p>

Wheatley was an example of a guy the coach (Fassel) just didn't like. He had the ability and wanted to play at a certain weight, from what I remember, and the coach buried him. When he went to Oakland he was given more of a chance.

NYG 5
06-11-2011, 11:15 AM
petitgout was a damn good tackle, he only had two problems: his back, and his ears
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Your'e right NYG... I think a lot of our memories fall back to that Seattle game, at Seattle, where he just killed us with his movement penalties... ears... the fan noise/piped in noise? had him beat. I've had 3 back ops and know what he felt... he missed a lot because of his back, buthe played many a game with a bad back and always did a good job</p>

yeah man, i'm trying to see if there are any stats online, but i remember that combo of petigout/seubert/diehl on the left side was deadly. even during his first couple years at RT, he was the only giant lineman with both power and speed. he kept guys very quiet on his side. for example, can't remember guys just blowing past him with speed with the way diehl does at times. can't remember many holding penalties or getting blown off the ball. just the dumb false starts, and him getting hurt all the time in 2003 and 2006. but for a first round pick spent on a lineman, i think he was a very good draft pick. probably the only stable figure in the giants offensive line from 1999-2004.

cedric jones also wasn't absolutely worthless. the last couple years he was here, he at least held his own side of the field alright. i guess he could at least suck up some blockers for strahan, peter, hammer, bratzke, and griffin. damn, who scouted those defensive linemen in the 90's? that was a great defensive front.

btw, jones was blind in one eye. was it his left one?

zimonami
06-11-2011, 12:45 PM
petitgout was a damn good tackle, he only had two problems: his back, and his ears
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Your'e right NYG... I think a lot of our memories fall back to that Seattle game, at Seattle, where he just killed us with his movement penalties... ears... the fan noise/piped in noise? had him beat. I've had 3 back ops and know what he felt... he missed a lot because of his back, buthe played many a game with a bad back and always did a good job</P>




yeah man, i'm trying to see if there are any stats online, but i remember that combo of petigout/seubert/diehl on the left side was deadly. even during his first couple years at RT, he was the only giant lineman with both power and speed. he kept guys very quiet on his side. for example, can't remember guys just blowing past him with speed with the way diehl does at times. can't remember many holding penalties or getting blown off the ball. just the dumb false starts, and him getting hurt all the time in 2003 and 2006. but for a first round pick spent on a lineman, i think he was a very good draft pick. probably the only stable figure in the giants offensive line from 1999-2004.</P>


You know how they say the game is so much faster in the Pros? It's very true, as we know... the fastest and strongest. I think that's where we miscalculated Cedric. He was dominant in college. I think his sight didn't effect him at that level... but, it did in the Pros.... just that little bit. But, you're right... He was never really manhandled. He always held his ground. He was good defending the run because he didn't lose his feet. But, he was never a sack machine, and at DE that's where you make your bones.

cedric jones also wasn't absolutely worthless. the last couple years he was here, he at least held his own side of the field alright. i guess he could at least suck up some blockers for strahan, peter, hammer, bratzke, and griffin. damn, who scouted those defensive linemen in the 90's? that was a great defensive front.

btw, jones was blind in one eye. was it his left one?
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zimonami
06-11-2011, 01:13 PM
petitgout was a damn good tackle, he only had two problems: his back, and his ears
</P>


Your'e right NYG... I think a lot of our memories fall back to that Seattle game, at Seattle, where he just killed us with his movement penalties... ears... the fan noise/piped in noise? had him beat. I've had 3 back ops and know what he felt... he missed a lot because of his back, buthe played many a game with a bad back and always did a good job</P>




yeah man, i'm trying to see if there are any stats online, but i remember that combo of petigout/seubert/diehl on the left side was deadly. even during his first couple years at RT, he was the only giant lineman with both power and speed. he kept guys very quiet on his side. for example, can't remember guys just blowing past him with speed with the way diehl does at times. can't remember many holding penalties or getting blown off the ball. just the dumb false starts, and him getting hurt all the time in 2003 and 2006. but for a first round pick spent on a lineman, i think he was a very good draft pick. probably the only stable figure in the giants offensive line from 1999-2004.</P>


cedric jones also wasn't absolutely worthless. the last couple years he was here, he at least held his own side of the field alright. i guess he could at least suck up some blockers for strahan, peter, hammer, bratzke, and griffin. damn, who scouted those defensive linemen in the 90's? that was a great defensive front.

btw, jones was blind in one eye. was it his left one?
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You know how they say the game is so much faster in the Pros? It's very true, as we know... the fastest and strongest. I think that's where we miscalculated Cedric. He was dominant in college. I think his sight didn't effect him at that level... but, it did in the Pros.... just that little bit. But, you're right... He was never really manhandled. He always held his ground. He was good defending the run because he didn't lose his feet. But, he was never a sack machine, and at DE that's where you make your bones.

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ny06
06-11-2011, 03:24 PM
<U>2000's 1st round picks</U></P>


2000: Ron Dayne (he was a decent player, who can forget thunder &amp; lightning. But as a 1st round pick he may have not lived up to what he was in college)</P>


2001: Will Allen ( I was happy when we drafted him from Syracuse, thought he was going to be a real good player for us for years. The one glarring weakness was he could make make the interception. I don't know how many times he had the ball right in his hands and he will drop it. He wasa serviceable player though)</P>


2002: Jeremy Shockey: I loved this pick. Saw him play a little at Miami University. Loved his attitude, was a very talented player. Brought a swag to the Giants. But to say it lightly, he was a headcase. I remember the preseason game his rookie year. I think against Texans, where he ran over like 3 defenders. </P>


2003: William Joseph: Bust!!!!</P>


2004: (Rivers traded to Chargers for Manning) We got a Franchise QB</P>


2005: No 1st round pick.</P>


2006: Mathias Kiwanika: I liked this pick. I know we had Strahan,Tuck,Osi at d-end. But like the old saying, you can't have enough pasrushers. Just a real good player. It was a shame that he got injured the year we won the super bowl. And last year. Great pick. </P>


2007: Aaron Ross: I liked this pick when the Giants drafted him from Texas. He basically did it all in college from cb, to punt returner. Had a good rookie season, but after that injuries has gotton to him. And you have to question his love for the game. He made that remark few years back stating his heart might not be in the game anymore. I would say is serviceable.</P>


2008: Kenny Phillips: Loved this pick. Guy was an athletic freak at the Universityof Miami.That college came out with great safeties.Ed Reed, S.Taylor, B. Meriweather. The talent level is sky high with Phillips. I look for a big season from him now that he has had 2 years to recover from the microfracture surgery.</P>


2009: Hakeem Nicks: Could be the best wr this franchise has ever seen. Sky is the limit with Nicks.</P>


2010: JPP: I loved this pick, like I said before you can never have enough pass-rushers. His athletic ability from the d-end position is immpresive to say the least. Has such a huge wing span, once he get's his arms around you, your going down. It's insane that he has only played organized football since his senior year of highschool. </P>


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jomo
06-11-2011, 03:46 PM
Dayne for me was serviceable at best. Some blamed the pro set on limiting his vision in selecting the hole to hit. Based on the fact that he was the all time leading rusher in D1 history, he is a border line bust for me.</P>


Allen, I like him. He was a A- player for us at a high level. Not a super star but more than serviceable.</P>


Shockey is the toughest call in this group. What a first year he had with us. After that, injuries and the yips seemed to make him no better than serviceable. He never learned to "receive" the football. He always tried to "snatch" it resulting in a huge number of drops. I used to tell people, "he catches the ball as if he drank 8 red bulls before the game." I can't bottom line him, too complicated.</P>


Joseph - bust</P>


Kiwi - serviceable, held back by injuries</P>


Ross - see Kiwi</P>


Phillips - same as Kiwi, still an incomplete. On the field, we are still waiting for him to develop consistency and realize his potential.</P>


Nick - great</P>


JPP - like him alot, too soon to make this call</P>


Here again, over the course of the decade we have only one A player coming out of the first round in Nick and 2 B players in Allen and Shockey. JPP will probably get to at least B but that leaves half the group as forgettable.</P>

zimonami
06-11-2011, 04:51 PM
Agree pretty much with both ny and jomo.</P>


Dayne was a disappointment to me. Like Cedric, he was great in college and didn't take their talents to the next level. I'll give Cedric a bye and the Giants a fail for recognizing that one eye might be a disadvantage at the Pro level. But, Dayne ran into the pile so many times, without any drive forward, and that converts to lack of effort for me... not a bust, but close and a definite disappointment.</P>


Kiwi... a disappointment to me... not for what he gave us, but for what could have been with his talent. Between the injuries and the Giants having trouble defining his real position he never had a chance to show us. To me he could have been a Carl Banks... and that's what I think the Gmen had in mind for him, but I don't think his instincts were right for LB.. He was playing really well before the neck problem.</P>


Phillips still has a chance. He might not be the monster he could have been, but even if he is just a solid player thatsays alot after microfracture surgery.</P>


I think JPP will be about as good as Osi, only sooner, which befits his draft position. </P>

NYG 5
06-11-2011, 06:48 PM
its strange because will allen had a bunch of picks his rookie year, and then that was it. but who can forget that infamous whiff right through his own hands, and into the hands of the receiver in the bronco game of 2005.

dayne.... he had a few moments of actually running with power, but in college he was really just a cutback and speed guy who used his size to break arm tackles after he used that great badger line to get into the secondary. thats why you always saw him stuttering an running away from the hole. once he started to lose weight and matured as a runner, learned his ability, he was a pretty good runningback. never fumbled, never got hurt. could never catch though. so many passes would go off his hands and into the defender's hands. he was the will allen of the offense.

shockey was great, he just didn't have the body to sustain his playstyle. plus, the giants neutralized his role in 2006-2007. for a first round pick, he brought talent, leadership, and attention from the d-coordinator.

joseph was worthless. its like he didn't want to play football. and they said he was going to be the next warren sapp. sadface.

eli is eli. he's lived up to the pick. especially since rivers is nuts and merriman is out of football. good pick

kiwi is good, he's like the quietest good player on the team. you forget he's even playing, and then at the end of the game, he has two sacks. i just think it was dumb how the giants tried to turn him into a linebacker while still running a 4-3 defense. he's been a very good defensive end, he has a nonstop motor. good pick. i like him, and what was he, the 31st pick? 32nd?

ross was essentially a first round pick paid for 1 year of service and a super bowl title. i guess thats a fair trade. but no super bowl? disappointment, worse than will allen, because allen could at least play the position and never got hurt. loved his heart that year, disappointed since then.

kenny phillips was pretty good, now its like he has no control over his body. disappointment due to injury.

hackeem nicks is the most explosive giants receiver ever. hilliard could occasionally catch, then make a cut and pick up a big gain, but nicks can make a guy miss and take it all the way, every play. can fight for those jump balls like toomer. very fast. still a little dropsy though, but great pick. manningham is the same way, just not as good at everything like nicks is.

JPP looks very promising, too early to tell though. prince looks great on paper as well

gmen46
06-11-2011, 07:51 PM
its strange because will allen had a bunch of picks his rookie year, and then that was it. but who can forget that infamous whiff right through his own hands, and into the hands of the receiver in the bronco game of 2005.

dayne.... he had a few moments of actually running with power, but in college he was really just a cutback and speed guy who used his size to break arm tackles after he used that great badger line to get into the secondary. thats why you always saw him stuttering an running away from the hole. once he started to lose weight and matured as a runner, learned his ability, he was a pretty good runningback. never fumbled, never got hurt. could never catch though. so many passes would go off his hands and into the defender's hands. he was the will allen of the offense.

shockey was great, he just didn't have the body to sustain his playstyle. plus, the giants neutralized his role in 2006-2007. for a first round pick, he brought talent, leadership, and attention from the d-coordinator.

joseph was worthless. its like he didn't want to play football. and they said he was going to be the next warren sapp. sadface.

eli is eli. he's lived up to the pick. especially since rivers is nuts and merriman is out of football. good pick

kiwi is good, he's like the quietest good player on the team. you forget he's even playing, and then at the end of the game, he has two sacks. i just think it was dumb how the giants tried to turn him into a linebacker while still running a 4-3 defense. he's been a very good defensive end, he has a nonstop motor. good pick. i like him, and what was he, the 31st pick? 32nd?

ross was essentially a first round pick paid for 1 year of service and a super bowl title. i guess thats a fair trade. but no super bowl? disappointment, worse than will allen, because allen could at least play the position and never got hurt. loved his heart that year, disappointed since then.

kenny phillips was pretty good, now its like he has no control over his body. disappointment due to injury.

hackeem nicks is the most explosive giants receiver ever. hilliard could occasionally catch, then make a cut and pick up a big gain, but nicks can make a guy miss and take it all the way, every play. can fight for those jump balls like toomer. very fast. still a little dropsy though, but great pick. manningham is the same way, just not as good at everything like nicks is.

JPP looks very promising, too early to tell though. prince looks great on paper as well


Very good--and interesting--run down of every pick. I especially like your breakdown of Dayne, one of the best rationales for that bust I've read.

I'd only add that, for his first 3, maybe 4 years, Shockey brought exactly what the Giants needed to the offense--attitude and toughness. But by 06 he started to outstay his welcome, like your favorite uncle stretching his long weekend visit into a year-long burden.

And while I of course have to agree it is too early to say how great JPP will be, I must say that the manner in which he EVOLVED from week one to week seventeen makes me highly confident, almost giddy even, that he will be a great one for us. When he's able to maximize the combining of his reach with his quickness, he will frustrate a LOT of Ts. Plastic Man.

NYG 5
06-11-2011, 08:38 PM
oh yes, JPP has definitely been impressive thus far. he just looks like a new breed of animal out there, tremendous athleticism. he reminds me a lot of tuck when he first got here, just... longer. i just hope he's more durable than tuck.

and the thing with shockey is, he could get away with being a lunatic when he was still playing like a lunatic on the field, barging people over and making entire teams gang tackle him. but as the injuries racked up and he started losing that natural athleticism, he needed to start calming down and offsetting that with knowledge of the game. but he kept dropping passes, kept running the wrong routes. remember the green bay game in 2007, where he couldn't get anything right, and it looked like he was losing his mind on the field with stupid penalties? well, that was after the i think thats when he realized he was over the hill as a speed, athletic tight end. he still went along with the whole season, but never looked happy as a possession receiver who couldn't justify screaming for the ball anymore.

i think the giants got rid of him because they realized he was about to decline rapidly, and wanted to do it while other teams still thought his stock was high. i think it was mostly a business move.

zimonami
06-11-2011, 08:48 PM
oh yes, JPP has definitely been impressive thus far. he just looks like a new breed of animal out there, tremendous athleticism. he reminds me a lot of tuck when he first got here, just... longer. i just hope he's more durable than tuck.

and the thing with shockey is, he could get away with being a lunatic when he was still playing like a lunatic on the field, barging people over and making entire teams gang tackle him. but as the injuries racked up and he started losing that natural athleticism, he needed to start calming down and offsetting that with knowledge of the game. but he kept dropping passes, kept running the wrong routes. remember the green bay game in 2007, where he couldn't get anything right, and it looked like he was losing his mind on the field with stupid penalties? well, that was after the i think thats when he realized he was over the hill as a speed, athletic tight end. he still went along with the whole season, but never looked happy as a possession receiver who couldn't justify screaming for the ball anymore.

i think the giants got rid of him because they realized he was about to decline rapidly, and wanted to do it while other teams still thought his stock was high. i think it was mostly a business move.
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right now I'm excited by the potential of JPP and Nicks.</P>


I was thinking about who JPP reminds me of... successful, tall, and lithe DE's with a big wingspan. Of the oldies I thought of Fred Dryer and Ted 'Stork' Hendricks. JPP is way more athletic than either of them and his frame might take 15 more pounds without effecting his quickness. If we're right it will be fun to watch. And, if Nicks can avoid injury I think we'll ultimately be watching the greatest Giant WR </P>

gmen46
06-12-2011, 01:05 AM
oh yes, JPP has definitely been impressive thus far. he just looks like a new breed of animal out there, tremendous athleticism. he reminds me a lot of tuck when he first got here, just... longer. i just hope he's more durable than tuck.

and the thing with shockey is, he could get away with being a lunatic when he was still playing like a lunatic on the field, barging people over and making entire teams gang tackle him. but as the injuries racked up and he started losing that natural athleticism, he needed to start calming down and offsetting that with knowledge of the game. but he kept dropping passes, kept running the wrong routes. remember the green bay game in 2007, where he couldn't get anything right, and it looked like he was losing his mind on the field with stupid penalties? well, that was after the i think thats when he realized he was over the hill as a speed, athletic tight end. he still went along with the whole season, but never looked happy as a possession receiver who couldn't justify screaming for the ball anymore.

i think the giants got rid of him because they realized he was about to decline rapidly, and wanted to do it while other teams still thought his stock was high. i think it was mostly a business move.


You're correct, imo, concerning Shockey and his eventual demise with the Giants. The trade absolutely was a business move. The fact we won the Super Bowl without him--and with Boss making a drive-sustaining catch near the end of that game, as well--did nothing to help keep him here, either.

Not to be picky, but I think Tuck sometimes gets a bad rap (not from you in particular, I've heard this before about Tuck) regarding his durability.

While true he was hurt his 2nd year in the league (2006) and missed more than half that season, since then he's not missed a game. And he's started every game--except the one after Flozell tripped him and messed up his shoulder in '09, and he played in that one--since 2008.

It's virtually impossible to have an injury-free career in the NFL. However, I only label a player "injury prone" or as having durability problems if he tends to miss several, or even just a few, games every year or nearly every year.

Tuck, fortunately, does not fall into that category. (Knock wood).

NYG 5
06-12-2011, 01:08 AM
i just think he needs to wear a cup, because he gets hit in the balls and lays out on the field damn near every game

gmen46
06-12-2011, 01:09 AM
oh yes, JPP has definitely been impressive thus far. he just looks like a new breed of animal out there, tremendous athleticism. he reminds me a lot of tuck when he first got here, just... longer. i just hope he's more durable than tuck.

and the thing with shockey is, he could get away with being a lunatic when he was still playing like a lunatic on the field, barging people over and making entire teams gang tackle him. but as the injuries racked up and he started losing that natural athleticism, he needed to start calming down and offsetting that with knowledge of the game. but he kept dropping passes, kept running the wrong routes. remember the green bay game in 2007, where he couldn't get anything right, and it looked like he was losing his mind on the field with stupid penalties? well, that was after the i think thats when he realized he was over the hill as a speed, athletic tight end. he still went along with the whole season, but never looked happy as a possession receiver who couldn't justify screaming for the ball anymore.

i think the giants got rid of him because they realized he was about to decline rapidly, and wanted to do it while other teams still thought his stock was high. i think it was mostly a business move.
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right now I'm excited by the potential of JPP and Nicks.</P>


I was thinking about who JPP reminds me of... successful, tall, and lithe DE's with a big wingspan. Of the oldies I thought of Fred Dryer and Ted 'Stork' Hendricks.* JPP is way more athletic than either of them and his frame might take 15 more pounds without effecting his quickness. If we're right it will be fun to watch. And, if Nicks can avoid injury I think we'll ultimately be watching the greatest Giant WR </P>

I'm impressed (although with you, I shouldn't be surprised, I know) you recall Fred Dryer as an end in the NFL. He'll always be "Hunter" to me. :0)

As to who JPP COULD also be reminiscent of (not yet, but soon) is LC Greenwood. Similar frame, I think.

zimonami
06-12-2011, 01:41 AM
oh yes, JPP has definitely been impressive thus far. he just looks like a new breed of animal out there, tremendous athleticism. he reminds me a lot of tuck when he first got here, just... longer. i just hope he's more durable than tuck.

and the thing with shockey is, he could get away with being a lunatic when he was still playing like a lunatic on the field, barging people over and making entire teams gang tackle him. but as the injuries racked up and he started losing that natural athleticism, he needed to start calming down and offsetting that with knowledge of the game. but he kept dropping passes, kept running the wrong routes. remember the green bay game in 2007, where he couldn't get anything right, and it looked like he was losing his mind on the field with stupid penalties? well, that was after the i think thats when he realized he was over the hill as a speed, athletic tight end. he still went along with the whole season, but never looked happy as a possession receiver who couldn't justify screaming for the ball anymore.

i think the giants got rid of him because they realized he was about to decline rapidly, and wanted to do it while other teams still thought his stock was high. i think it was mostly a business move.
</P>


right now I'm excited by the potential of JPP and Nicks.</P>


I was thinking about who JPP reminds me of... successful, tall, and lithe DE's with a big wingspan. Of the oldies I thought of Fred Dryer and Ted 'Stork' Hendricks. JPP is way more athletic than either of them and his frame might take 15 more pounds without effecting his quickness. If we're right it will be fun to watch. And, if Nicks can avoid injury I think we'll ultimately be watching the greatest Giant WR </P>


I'm impressed (although with you, I shouldn't be surprised, I know) you recall Fred Dryer as an end in the NFL. He'll always be "Hunter" to me. :0) As to who JPP COULD also be reminiscent of (not yet, but soon) is LC Greenwood. Similar frame, I think.</P>


If he turns out to be as good as Greenwood, we'll be happy.</P>

Roswell777
06-12-2011, 10:14 AM
Their 1st round picks were very solid in the 2000s. Much better than the 90s. The only pick I really questioned at the time was Kiwanuka. I liked him as a player but I felt they had a deeper need at the time on the Oline and had read a lot about Mangold who was available when they picked.

I know O'Hara's a pro bowler but they had written about Mangold being a junkyard dog and sitting him next to Snee for 10 years worked for me.

Other than that, there were very few teams with as successful a first round class as the NY football Giants in the 2000s.

As far as JPP - he reminds me more of Kearse than Greenwood, but i'll take either one.

zimonami
06-12-2011, 10:53 AM
Their 1st round picks were very solid in the 2000s. Much better than the 90s. The only pick I really questioned at the time was Kiwanuka. I liked him as a player but I felt they had a deeper need at the time on the Oline and had read a lot about Mangold who was available when they picked. I know O'Hara's a pro bowler but they had written about Mangold being a junkyard dog and sitting him next to Snee for 10 years worked for me. Other than that, there were very few teams with as successful a first round class as the NY football Giants in the 2000s. As far as JPP - he reminds me more of Kearse than Greenwood, but i'll take either one.</P>


Yes, Ros... Kearse is very close. I'll be very happy if he is like Kearse, Greenwood, Dryer, Hendricks, or any excellent tall, lithe, athletic DE that we can think of. His upside potential is promising, buit will remain teasing until he shows us something more this year. Stray is also a model, although JPP is taller. It remains to be seen if JPP can, in addition to using his speed and athleticisim to get in, can also Bull Rush successfully like those other players could, when needed.</P>


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ny06
06-12-2011, 02:00 PM
<U>1990's 2nd round picks</U></P>


1990: Mike Fox: He was a serviceable player, gave good depth to the defensive end position</P>


1991: Kanivis McGhee: Non Productive</P>


1992: Phillipi Sparks: The 1st round pick was Derek Brown out of Notre Dame, one of the worst 1st round picks this franchise has drafted. But they did well in drafting Sparks. Played alot of good years for the g-men. Jason Sehorn: He was a good pick for the Giants. Was an all-around athlete at USC. Had those 2 seasons where he played GREAT!!! That injury in pre-season changed the player he once was. </P>


1993: Michael Strahan: Soon to be Hall of Famer.</P>


1994: Thomas Randolph: I liked randolph as a corner, he was not the biggest guy out there, and that could have been his downfall. I would put him just under serviceable. </P>


1995: Scott Gragg: The mountain from Montana. My opinion he had his better years with the 49ers. Started alot of game with the Giants. Serviceable </P>


1996: Amani Toomer: Best WR this franchise has ever had. Great at special teams his rookie year. The one thing that sticks out on my mind with Toomer was <U>consistency</U>.</P>


1997: Tiki Barber: Forget all the stuff he has done since he called it quits. Was the best runningback the Giants ever had. Complete Player from the running back position. </P>


1998: Joe Jurevicius: I thought this was a good pick. Played outstanding at Penn State with Kerry Collins. I would say he was a serviceable player for the Giants.</P>


1999: Joe Montgomry: Bust</P>


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jomo
06-12-2011, 02:28 PM
<U>1990's 2nd round picks</U></P>


1990: Mike Fox: He was a serviceable player, gave good depth to the defensive end position</P>


1991: Kanivis McGhee: Non Productive</P>


1992: Phillipi Sparks: The 1st round pick was Derek Brown out of Notre Dame, one of the worst 1st round picks this franchise has drafted. But they did well in drafting Sparks. Played alot of good years for the g-men. Jason Sehorn: He was a good pick for the Giants. Was an all-around athlete at USC. Had those 2 seasons where he played GREAT!!! That injury in pre-season changed the player he once was. </P>


1993: Michael Strahan: Soon to be Hall of Famer.</P>


1994: Thomas Randolph: I liked randolph as a corner, he was not the biggest guy out there, and that could have been his downfall. I would put him just under serviceable. </P>


1995: Scott Gragg: The mountain from Montana. My opinion he had his better years with the 49ers. Started alot of game with the Giants. Serviceable </P>


1996: Amani Toomer: Best WR this franchise has ever had. Great at special teams his rookie year. The one thing that sticks out on my mind with Toomer was <U>consistency</U>.</P>


1997: Tiki Barber: Forget all the stuff he has done since he called it quits. Was the best runningback the Giants ever had. Complete Player from the running back position. </P>


1998: Joe Jurevicius: I thought this was a good pick. Played outstanding at Penn State with Kerry Collins. I would say he was a serviceable player for the Giants.</P>


1999: Joe Montgomry: Bust</P>


</P>This is interesting NY06. While agreeing with almost all of your assessments it is striking that our #2 pick exceed our #1 picks throught that period. This is nothing new but it remains fascination. Does our heart sneak into the decision making process for #1 picks whereas our head leads the way after that? I also notice an era here where we started to forget about linebackers.

zimonami
06-12-2011, 02:49 PM
<U>1990's 2nd round picks</U></P>


1990: Mike Fox: He was a serviceable player, gave good depth to the defensive end position</P>


1991: Kanivis McGhee: Non Productive</P>


1992: Phillipi Sparks: The 1st round pick was Derek Brown out of Notre Dame, one of the worst 1st round picks this franchise has drafted. But they did well in drafting Sparks. Played alot of good years for the g-men. Jason Sehorn: He was a good pick for the Giants. Was an all-around athlete at USC. Had those 2 seasons where he played GREAT!!! That injury in pre-season changed the player he once was. </P>


1993: Michael Strahan: Soon to be Hall of Famer.</P>


1994: Thomas Randolph: I liked randolph as a corner, he was not the biggest guy out there, and that could have been his downfall. I would put him just under serviceable. </P>


1995: Scott Gragg: The mountain from Montana. My opinion he had his better years with the 49ers. Started alot of game with the Giants. Serviceable </P>


1996: Amani Toomer: Best WR this franchise has ever had. Great at special teams his rookie year. The one thing that sticks out on my mind with Toomer was <U>consistency</U>.</P>


1997: Tiki Barber: Forget all the stuff he has done since he called it quits. Was the best runningback the Giants ever had. Complete Player from the running back position. </P>


1998: Joe Jurevicius: I thought this was a good pick. Played outstanding at Penn State with Kerry Collins. I would say he was a serviceable player for the Giants.</P>


1999: Joe Montgomry: Bust</P>


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This is interesting NY06. While agreeing with almost all of your assessments it is striking that our #2 pick exceed our #1 picks throught that period. This is nothing new but it remains fascination. Does our heart sneak into the decision making process for #1 picks whereas our head leads the way after that? I also notice an era here where we started to forget about linebackers.</P>


I'm pretty much in agreement... thanks for posting this 2nd Rnd, NY06. </P>


Sometimes the 1st round pick is a reach by teams. Teams draft the players that got the headlines and whose team was top rated. They're afraid to pass on certainplayers andto pick a no-name in the first round. 2nd round is more scrutiny free. We've always been better on 2nd and 3rd rounds.</P>

gmen46
06-12-2011, 04:44 PM
i just think he needs to wear a cup, because he gets hit in the balls and lays out on the field damn near every game


I don't know if you remember Larry Brown, a very good running back for the Redskins in the early-mid 70's and their Super Bowl year during then.

Nearly EVERY time he was tackled he was very slow to get up. He became notorious for it. In fact, during that period he wrote an autobiography entitled " I Always Get Up" or something close to that.

His explanation was that he wanted to be consistent in that regard in order to not let opponents know if / when he REALLY was hurt on a play. In his opinion, it minimized any vulnerability he might be subjected to.

In fact, years after retiring, Jim Brown admitted to doing much the same for the same reason. Although he didn't take as long as Larry routinely did, the idea was the same--to get up the same way EVERY time, so the defenders would know nothing about how he actually felt after a play.

Not saying exactly the same applies here, but it occurs to me Tuck may have a LITTLE Larry Brown in him. Of course, I tend to be a "silver lining" fan when it comes to the Giants, so who knows?

zimonami
06-12-2011, 05:20 PM
i just think he needs to wear a cup, because he gets hit in the balls and lays out on the field damn near every game
I don't know if you remember Larry Brown, a very good running back for the Redskins in the early-mid 70's and their Super Bowl year during then. Nearly EVERY time he was tackled he was very slow to get up. He became notorious for it. In fact, during that period he wrote an autobiography entitled " I Always Get Up" or something close to that. His explanation was that he wanted to be consistent in that regard in order to not let opponents know if / when he REALLY was hurt on a play. In his opinion, it minimized any vulnerability he might be subjected to. In fact, years after retiring, Jim Brown admitted to doing much the same for the same reason. Although he didn't take as long as Larry routinely did, the idea was the same--to get up the same way EVERY time, so the defenders would know nothing about how he actually felt after a play. Not saying exactly the same applies here, but it occurs to me Tuck may have a LITTLE Larry Brown in him. Of course, I tend to be a "silver lining" fan when it comes to the Giants, so who knows?</P>


Interesting, 46... I've always felt the same about Tuck. I well remember J. Brown and L. Brown with the slow rise to their knee(s), thenfeet. You always thought, "Was he really hurt that time?" I've seen Tuck do this same thing, alot, and just figured it was his own slowly relaxed way, because who watches how slowly a defender rises, as opposed to watching the ball carrier? Well... maybe the guy who is trying to block you.</P>

jomo
06-12-2011, 05:45 PM
i just think he needs to wear a cup, because he gets hit in the balls and lays out on the field damn near every game
I don't know if you remember Larry Brown, a very good running back for the Redskins in the early-mid 70's and their Super Bowl year during then. Nearly EVERY time he was tackled he was very slow to get up. He became notorious for it. In fact, during that period he wrote an autobiography entitled " I Always Get Up" or something close to that. His explanation was that he wanted to be consistent in that regard in order to not let opponents know if / when he REALLY was hurt on a play. In his opinion, it minimized any vulnerability he might be subjected to. In fact, years after retiring, Jim Brown admitted to doing much the same for the same reason. Although he didn't take as long as Larry routinely did, the idea was the same--to get up the same way EVERY time, so the defenders would know nothing about how he actually felt after a play. Not saying exactly the same applies here, but it occurs to me Tuck may have a LITTLE Larry Brown in him. Of course, I tend to be a "silver lining" fan when it comes to the Giants, so who knows?</P>


Interesting, 46... I've always felt the same about Tuck. I well remember J. Brown and L. Brown with the slow rise to their knee(s), thenfeet. You always thought, "Was he really hurt that time?" I've seen Tuck do this same thing, alot, and just figured it was his own slowly relaxed way, because who watches how slowly a defender rises, as opposed to watching the ball carrier? Well... maybe the guy who is trying to block you.</P>Add Emmit Smith to the list of guys who were slow to get back to the huddle only to come right back at you like a freight train.

zimonami
06-12-2011, 06:08 PM
i just think he needs to wear a cup, because he gets hit in the balls and lays out on the field damn near every game
I don't know if you remember Larry Brown, a very good running back for the Redskins in the early-mid 70's and their Super Bowl year during then. Nearly EVERY time he was tackled he was very slow to get up. He became notorious for it. In fact, during that period he wrote an autobiography entitled " I Always Get Up" or something close to that. His explanation was that he wanted to be consistent in that regard in order to not let opponents know if / when he REALLY was hurt on a play. In his opinion, it minimized any vulnerability he might be subjected to. In fact, years after retiring, Jim Brown admitted to doing much the same for the same reason. Although he didn't take as long as Larry routinely did, the idea was the same--to get up the same way EVERY time, so the defenders would know nothing about how he actually felt after a play. Not saying exactly the same applies here, but it occurs to me Tuck may have a LITTLE Larry Brown in him. Of course, I tend to be a "silver lining" fan when it comes to the Giants, so who knows?</P>


Interesting, 46... I've always felt the same about Tuck. I well remember J. Brown and L. Brown with the slow rise to their knee(s), thenfeet. You always thought, "Was he really hurt that time?" I've seen Tuck do this same thing, alot, and just figured it was his own slowly relaxed way, because who watches how slowly a defender rises, as opposed to watching the ball carrier? Well... maybe the guy who is trying to block you.</P>


Add Emmit Smith to the list of guys who were slow to get back to the huddle only to come right back at you like a freight train.</P>


I gained tremendous respect for Emmitt when he dislocated his shoulder in a playoff victory against us. After every play I thought, "He's not getting up this time." But he would, very slowly... agonizingly slow, and you were sure he was finally done,... only to grab the rock again, and to run well... again. You appreciate guts when you see it, even in the opponent.</P>

jomo
06-12-2011, 06:21 PM
i just think he needs to wear a cup, because he gets hit in the balls and lays out on the field damn near every game
I don't know if you remember Larry Brown, a very good running back for the Redskins in the early-mid 70's and their Super Bowl year during then. Nearly EVERY time he was tackled he was very slow to get up. He became notorious for it. In fact, during that period he wrote an autobiography entitled " I Always Get Up" or something close to that. His explanation was that he wanted to be consistent in that regard in order to not let opponents know if / when he REALLY was hurt on a play. In his opinion, it minimized any vulnerability he might be subjected to. In fact, years after retiring, Jim Brown admitted to doing much the same for the same reason. Although he didn't take as long as Larry routinely did, the idea was the same--to get up the same way EVERY time, so the defenders would know nothing about how he actually felt after a play. Not saying exactly the same applies here, but it occurs to me Tuck may have a LITTLE Larry Brown in him. Of course, I tend to be a "silver lining" fan when it comes to the Giants, so who knows?</P>


Interesting, 46... I've always felt the same about Tuck. I well remember J. Brown and L. Brown with the slow rise to their knee(s), thenfeet. You always thought, "Was he really hurt that time?" I've seen Tuck do this same thing, alot, and just figured it was his own slowly relaxed way, because who watches how slowly a defender rises, as opposed to watching the ball carrier? Well... maybe the guy who is trying to block you.</P>


Add Emmit Smith to the list of guys who were slow to get back to the huddle only to come right back at you like a freight train.</P>


I gained tremendous respect for Emmitt when he dislocated his shoulder in a playoff victory against us. After every play I thought, "He's not getting up this time." But he would, very slowly... agonizingly slow, and you were sure he was finally done,... only to grab the rock again, and to run well... again. You appreciate guts when you see it, even in the opponent.</P>Yessir

gmen46
06-13-2011, 06:03 AM
i just think he needs to wear a cup, because he gets hit in the balls and lays out on the field damn near every game
I don't know if you remember Larry Brown, a very good running back for the Redskins in the early-mid 70's and their Super Bowl year during then. Nearly EVERY time he was tackled he was very slow to get up. He became notorious for it. In fact, during that period he wrote an autobiography entitled " I Always Get Up" or something close to that. His explanation was that he wanted to be consistent in that regard in order to not let opponents know if / when he REALLY was hurt on a play. In his opinion, it minimized any vulnerability he might be subjected to. In fact, years after retiring, Jim Brown admitted to doing much the same for the same reason. Although he didn't take as long as Larry routinely did, the idea was the same--to get up the same way EVERY time, so the defenders would know nothing about how he actually felt after a play. Not saying exactly the same applies here, but it occurs to me Tuck may have a LITTLE Larry Brown in him. Of course, I tend to be a "silver lining" fan when it comes to the Giants, so who knows?</P>


Interesting, 46... I've always felt the same about Tuck.* I well remember J. Brown and L. Brown with the slow rise to their knee(s), then*feet. You always thought, "Was he really hurt that time?"* I've seen Tuck do this same thing, alot, and just figured it was his own slowly relaxed way, because who watches how slowly a defender rises, as opposed to watching the ball carrier? Well... maybe the guy who is trying to block you.</P>


Add Emmit Smith to the list of guys who were slow to get back to the huddle only to come right back at you like a freight train.</P>


I gained tremendous respect for Emmitt when he dislocated his shoulder in a playoff victory against us. After every play I thought,* "He's not getting up this time." But he would, very slowly... agonizingly slow, and you were sure he was finally done,... only to grab the rock again, and to run well... again. You appreciate guts when you see it, even in the opponent.</P>

I felt exactly the same way. That game was one of those rare games that AT THE TIME you're watching it, somewhere in the late 3rd quarter you realize you are watching an instant classic. It was one of those games that hyperbole is not needed to describe it and its outcome. It was an actual "one for the ages" game--and you don't get too many opportunities to see one in real time.

Even though he was already established as an elite RB before then, Smith made his bones as a real warrior that game.

By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division.

It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare.

It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one.

And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

SweetZombieJesus
06-13-2011, 08:48 AM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division.

It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare.

It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one.

And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.

zimonami
06-13-2011, 01:02 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
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Thank you GMen46 and SZJ. Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccuratememories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts. So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting. In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</P>

Roswell777
06-13-2011, 02:09 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
</p>


Thank you GMen46 and SZJ. Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccuratememories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts. So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting. In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</p>

I remember at one point in the game, Simms had Mark Jackson open in the middle of the end zone and they just missed. Their whole playoff run could have been very different.

It was Simms' and Taylor's last regular season game. They went out to SF and got destroyed the next week by Rikki Waters.

LT took a souvenir to remember the NFL by.

Anyone know what that souvenir was?

SweetZombieJesus
06-13-2011, 02:45 PM
zim don't worry, we all mis-remember details through the fog of time and rose colored glasses. And it was 18 years ago after all.

Piling on, I had to go back and look up more details on the game. They actually had a home game against Minnesota the following week (I think that was the one where Minny had Jim McMahon and he ended the game as a tackling dummy, I remember him looking dazed and getting the smelling salts on the sideline). The shellacking at SF was the next week.

gmen46
06-13-2011, 02:46 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium.* Both teams were 11-4.* The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs.* The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest.* I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco.* If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year.* Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT).* All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit?* They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
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Thank you GMen46 and SZJ.* Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccurate*memories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts.* So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting.* In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</P>

I hope you realize no laughing was intended, Z. Obviously I, too, rely on memories that can sometimes f*** with me--like 10-5 reference to both records when they were in fact going into the game with 11-4 records. Not to mention my 2003 (but I'd hope that would be taken as slip=of-the-tongue gaff!).

But those of us who saw the game agree on its magnificence, I think. And it's one game between our 2 teams that Cowboy fans I have as friends have the same feeling about it that we do--was classic battle between 2 evenly matched teams. And that Emmit's performance was nothing less than a career-defining, awe-inspiring performance.

ny06
06-13-2011, 02:56 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
</P>


Thank you GMen46 and SZJ. Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccuratememories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts. So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting. In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</P>




I remember at one point in the game, Simms had Mark Jackson open in the middle of the end zone and they just missed. Their whole playoff run could have been very different.

It was Simms' and Taylor's last regular season game. They went out to SF and got destroyed the next week by Rikki Waters.

LT took a souvenir to remember the NFL by.

<FONT color=#000080><FONT color=#0000ff>Anyone know what that souvenir was?</FONT>
</FONT>

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The flag from the referee</P>


http://s6.thisnext.com/media/largest_dimension/06CB581B.jpg</P>

Roswell777
06-13-2011, 03:49 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
</p>


Thank you GMen46 and SZJ. Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccuratememories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts. So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting. In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</p>




I remember at one point in the game, Simms had Mark Jackson open in the middle of the end zone and they just missed. Their whole playoff run could have been very different.

It was Simms' and Taylor's last regular season game. They went out to SF and got destroyed the next week by Rikki Waters.

LT took a souvenir to remember the NFL by.

<font color="#000080"><font color="#0000ff">Anyone know what that souvenir was?</font>
</font>

</p>


The flag from the referee</p>


http://s6.thisnext.com/media/largest_dimension/06CB581B.jpg</p>

Nice job 06. I really didn't think anyone would know that one.

SEC105
06-13-2011, 04:56 PM
Who are these 2 players? How has everybody been.....enjoying ther summer?</P>


http://cmsimg.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A3&amp;Date=20100914&amp;Category=GW01&amp;ArtNo=91 40324&amp;Ref=AR&amp;MaxW=640&amp;Border=0</P>


Z</P>

ny06
06-13-2011, 04:58 PM
Who are these 2 players? How has everybody been.....enjoying ther summer?</P>


http://cmsimg.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A3&amp;Date=20100914&amp;Category=GW01&amp;ArtNo=91 40324&amp;Ref=AR&amp;MaxW=640&amp;Border=0</P>


Z</P>


</P>


Hey SEC, I have been good, how bout you?</P>


The guy on the left is it Brad Van Pelt? </P>

SEC105
06-13-2011, 05:02 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
</P>


Thank you GMen46 and SZJ. Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccuratememories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts. So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting. In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</P>


I hope you realize no laughing was intended, Z. Obviously I, too, rely on memories that can sometimes f*** with me--like 10-5 reference to both records when they were in fact going into the game with 11-4 records. Not to mention my 2003 (but I'd hope that would be taken as slip=of-the-tongue gaff!). But those of us who saw the game agree on its magnificence, I think. And it's one game between our 2 teams that Cowboy fans I have as friends have the same feeling about it that we do--was classic battle between 2 evenly matched teams. And that Emmit's performance was nothing less than a career-defining, awe-inspiring performance.</P>


That game was instant classic....although heartbreaking at the time.....what a gutty preformance by Emmitt Smith unreal with a seperated shoulder</P>


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/22/gal_hated-emmitt-smith23.jpg</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-13-2011, 05:07 PM
Who are these 2 players? How has everybody been.....enjoying ther summer?</P>


http://cmsimg.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A3&amp;Date=20100914&amp;Category=GW01&amp;ArtNo=91 40324&amp;Ref=AR&amp;MaxW=640&amp;Border=0</P>


Z</P>


</P>


Hey SEC, I have been good, how bout you?</P>


The guy on the left is it Brad Van Pelt? </P>


</P>


Doing quite wellNY06....thanks for asking . One ofmy sons is getting married in July and one of my daughters just got engaged last week will be quite a summer lol [:D]</P>


Yes ,that is Brad Van Pelt on the left.... the other guy was not a Giant by was a great player for another team Both went to MSU</P>


Z</P>

jints10
06-13-2011, 05:22 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
</P>


Thank you GMen46 and SZJ. Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccuratememories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts. So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting. In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</P>


I hope you realize no laughing was intended, Z. Obviously I, too, rely on memories that can sometimes f*** with me--like 10-5 reference to both records when they were in fact going into the game with 11-4 records. Not to mention my 2003 (but I'd hope that would be taken as slip=of-the-tongue gaff!). But those of us who saw the game agree on its magnificence, I think. And it's one game between our 2 teams that Cowboy fans I have as friends have the same feeling about it that we do--was classic battle between 2 evenly matched teams. And that Emmit's performance was nothing less than a career-defining, awe-inspiring performance.</P>


That game was instant classic....although heartbreaking at the time.....what a gutty preformance by Emmitt Smith unreal with a seperated shoulder</P>


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/22/gal_hated-emmitt-smith23.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>


One of the, if not the greatest games ever played at Giants Stadium going by a pure football stand point, not as a fan of the New York Giants. That damn Emmet just keep comming back, much respect for him that day</P>

SEC105
06-13-2011, 05:46 PM
By the way, it was not a playoff game, but had the feel of one and was nearly just as important to both teams as one--which is why I understand your misstating it. It was the last game of the regular 2003 season, and we both came to the game with a 10-5 record. Winner of the game wins the division. It doesn't get much better than that, as a lead up to a game. But then to actually have a game live up to--exceed, in fact--those high expectations, is all too rare. It was a magnificent game. I can't recall any other Giants loss that I would characterize as "magnificent", but this was one. And as a sad footnote, unbeknownst to any of us at the time, it became Simms' last regular season game.

It was the last game of the 1993 season, at Giants Stadium. Both teams were 11-4. The winner not only won the NFC East but got a first round bye to rest and heal, and homefield advantage for the playoffs. The loser had to play a wildcard game the next week on short rest. I felt the 1993 Giants had enough to go deep but they got crushed in the divisional round at San Francisco. If they had the bye and homefield it could have been different; similarly if the Cowboys had to play the following week and had to hit the road without rest, they may not have won the Super Bowl that year. Both teams knocked the snot out of each other, but the Cowboys got a week of rest and home field advantage to get over it.

The Giants fought hard that game (and Reeves played too conservatively at the end instead of playing for the win he played for a tie to send the game to OT). All I remember thinking is, how hard do the Giants have to hit Emmit? They threw everything at him and he kept getting up.
</P>


Thank you GMen46 and SZJ. Yes, I did dis-remember (hahaha... Roger Clemens) that as a playoff game. I always appreciate you guys correcting me and my old-man memory. Too often I go off of those inaccuratememories, rather than take the time to go back and check the facts. So, we'll all get a laugh when I need correcting. In the mean time, that was a game worth remembering, as you say, even though it was a loss.</P>


I hope you realize no laughing was intended, Z. Obviously I, too, rely on memories that can sometimes f*** with me--like 10-5 reference to both records when they were in fact going into the game with 11-4 records. Not to mention my 2003 (but I'd hope that would be taken as slip=of-the-tongue gaff!). But those of us who saw the game agree on its magnificence, I think. And it's one game between our 2 teams that Cowboy fans I have as friends have the same feeling about it that we do--was classic battle between 2 evenly matched teams. And that Emmit's performance was nothing less than a career-defining, awe-inspiring performance.</P>


That game was instant classic....although heartbreaking at the time.....what a gutty preformance by Emmitt Smith unreal with a seperated shoulder</P>


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/22/gal_hated-emmitt-smith23.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>


One of the, if not the greatest games ever played at Giants Stadium going by a pure football stand point, not as a fan of the New York Giants. That damn Emmet just keep comming back, much respect for him that day</P>


</P>


I agree JINTS10....one of the best football games ever played in Giants Stadium...looking back now you sure have to give Smith his just due.....tough as it was on us fans </P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHLRpg1WSE</P>


Z</P>

zimonami
06-13-2011, 08:56 PM
Thanks, SEC. I don't like to relive painful memories, but it was a game to remember, one way or the other.

allentown PA
06-13-2011, 10:00 PM
Thanks, SEC. I don't like to relive painful memories, but it was a game to remember, one way or the other.

agreed...I still think Reeves was too conservative on the last drive of regulation...but It was a classic...Hampton came back to have a great second half after doing very little in the first.

jints10
06-13-2011, 10:50 PM
Wow thinking about that reg season game gets me to thinking. How would you guys rank the top 5 reg season games at the old stadium?For me:</P>


1- vs Dallas 81 finally playoffs</P>


2- vs Bengals Simms vs Boomer 1000 yds passing</P>


3- vs Skins Mara game Tiki had 200 +</P>


4- vs Dallas Emmit Smith game</P>


5- vs Bears keeping Walter from record</P>


I know that most if not all of you have tics, I'm interested what ya all think</P>

allentown PA
06-13-2011, 11:00 PM
Wow thinking about that reg season game gets me to thinking. How would you guys rank the top 5 reg season games at the old stadium?For me:</P>


1- vs Dallas 81 finally playoffs</P>


2- vs Bengals Simms vs Boomer 1000 yds passing</P>


3- vs Skins Mara game Tiki had 200 +</P>


4- vs Dallas Emmit Smith game</P>


5- vs Bears keeping Walter from record</P>


I know that most if not all of you have tics, I'm interested what ya all think</P>

for me

1. 2002 finale against the eagles 10-7 giants
2.1997 vs the redskins... 30-10 giants
3.2000 reg season finale against the Jaguars...the giants clinched home field.
4. 2008 vs the panthers
5.1993 emmit game

rbcarpenter
06-13-2011, 11:04 PM
Wow thinking about that reg season game gets me to thinking. How would you guys rank the top 5 reg season games at the old stadium?For me:</P>


1- vs Dallas 81 finally playoffs</P>


2- vs Bengals Simms vs Boomer 1000 yds passing</P>


3- vs Skins Mara game Tiki had 200 +</P>


4- vs Dallas Emmit Smith game</P>


5- vs Bears keeping Walter from record</P>


I know that most if not all of you have tics, I'm interested what ya all think</P>not to be a jerk,but i think #2 was in cincinnatti.in fact,i'm sure of it.

jints10
06-13-2011, 11:43 PM
Wow thinking about that reg season game gets me to thinking. How would you guys rank the top 5 reg season games at the old stadium?For me:</P>


1- vs Dallas 81 finally playoffs</P>


2- vs Bengals Simms vs Boomer 1000 yds passing</P>


3- vs Skins Mara game Tiki had 200 +</P>


4- vs Dallas Emmit Smith game</P>


5- vs Bears keeping Walter from record</P>


I know that most if not all of you have tics, I'm interested what ya all think</P>


not to be a jerk,but i think #2 was in cincinnatti.in fact,i'm sure of it.</P>


Holy crap RBC your absolutely right, am I too young to use old ageas an excuse? Such a good game I thought I was there? I don't even know how I messed up?</P>


OK then I'll put the Dan Fouts 83 game in its stead</P>

rbcarpenter
06-14-2011, 01:22 AM
Wow thinking about that reg season game gets me to thinking. How would you guys rank the top 5 reg season games at the old stadium?For me:</P>


1- vs Dallas 81 finally playoffs</P>


2- vs Bengals Simms vs Boomer 1000 yds passing</P>


3- vs Skins Mara game Tiki had 200 +</P>


4- vs Dallas Emmit Smith game</P>


5- vs Bears keeping Walter from record</P>


I know that most if not all of you have tics, I'm interested what ya all think</P>


not to be a jerk,but i think #2 was in cincinnatti.in fact,i'm sure of it.</P>


Holy crap RBC your absolutely right, am I too young to use old ageas an excuse? Such a good game I thought I was there? I don't even know how I messed up?</P>


OK then I'll put the Dan Fouts 83 game in its stead</P>no prob,jints! that 83 chargers game was a MAD shootout!!!

SEC105
06-14-2011, 04:55 PM
Wow thinking about that reg season game gets me to thinking. How would you guys rank the top 5 reg season games at the old stadium?For me:</P>


1- vs Dallas 81 finally playoffs</P>


2- vs Bengals Simms vs Boomer 1000 yds passing</P>


3- vs Skins Mara game Tiki had 200 +</P>


4- vs Dallas Emmit Smith game</P>


5- vs Bears keeping Walter from record</P>


I know that most if not all of you have tics, I'm interested what ya all think</P>


</P>


AND THE GIANTS ARE IN!!!</P>


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/10/26/sports/football/fifthdown_meadowlands-memories8/blogSpan.jpg</P>


Z</P>

zimonami
06-14-2011, 07:30 PM
Wow thinking about that reg season game gets me to thinking. How would you guys rank the top 5 reg season games at the old stadium?For me:</P>


1- vs Dallas 81 finally playoffs</P>


2- vs Bengals Simms vs Boomer 1000 yds passing</P>


3- vs Skins Mara game Tiki had 200 +</P>


4- vs Dallas Emmit Smith game</P>


5- vs Bears keeping Walter from record</P>


I know that most if not all of you have tics, I'm interested what ya all think</P>


not to be a jerk,but i think #2 was in cincinnatti.in fact,i'm sure of it.</P>


Holy crap RBC your absolutely right, am I too young to use old ageas an excuse? Such a good game I thought I was there? I don't even know how I messed up?</P>


OK then I'll put the Dan Fouts 83 game in its stead</P>


</P>


They're all great games to me, jints. I might throw in the Giant win/Toomer TD against the Broncos when they were undefeated. It was a nice moral victory at the time.</P>

zimonami
06-14-2011, 08:50 PM
Who are these 2 players? How has everybody been.....enjoying ther summer?</P>


http://cmsimg.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A3&amp;Date=20100914&amp;Category=GW01&amp;ArtNo=91 40324&amp;Ref=AR&amp;MaxW=640&amp;Border=0</P>


Z</P>


</P>


Hey SEC, I have been good, how bout you?</P>


The guy on the left is it Brad Van Pelt? </P>


</P>


Doing quite wellNY06....thanks for asking . One ofmy sons is getting married in July and one of my daughters just got engaged last week will be quite a summer lol [:D]</P>


Yes ,that is Brad Van Pelt on the left.... the other guy was not a Giant by was a great player for another team Both went to MSU</P>


Z</P>


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The only other MSU grad that I can think of in Brad's time was Billy Joe DuPree... went to Dallas</P>

ny06
06-15-2011, 11:52 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1901389/reasons-o.gif

zimonami
06-15-2011, 12:42 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1901389/reasons-o.gif</P>


</P>


</P>


Gary Reasons..... perfection.</P>

Roosevelt
06-15-2011, 01:54 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

rbcarpenter
06-15-2011, 02:03 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

same here,rosey.agree 100%.</P>


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</P>


*note*common misconception about this clip-it was NOT his mouthpiece that came flying out on that stop...it was his EAR piece.the rb(humphries?) stated after the game that he was wearing the type of helmet that had snap in ear pieces,not the kind with the foam glued to the plastic of the helmet.man,you've really got to drill someone to have that happen!</P>

ny06
06-15-2011, 02:08 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>

zimonami
06-15-2011, 02:29 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

same here,rosey.agree 100%.</P>


</P>


</P>


*note*common misconception about this clip-it was NOT his mouthpiece that came flying out on that stop...it was his EAR piece.the rb(humphries?) stated after the game that he was wearing the type of helmet that had snap in ear pieces,not the kind with the foam glued to the plastic of the helmet.man,you've really got to drill someone to have that happen!</P>


</P>


I agree too, Rosey. They were great times for us with that defense. Banks and Reasons will never get to the Hall, but they are in our mental Hall of Giants, for sure. Reasons could have been the best LB on many teams.</P>

zimonami
06-15-2011, 02:31 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>

Roswell777
06-15-2011, 03:18 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</p>


Those were the good ole days..</p>


</p>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </p>

Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?

rbcarpenter
06-15-2011, 04:06 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>1990 nfc championship,took a fake punt 30 yards to set up the fg that made the score 13-12,49ers.

Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?

SEC105
06-15-2011, 04:52 PM
Who are these 2 players? How has everybody been.....enjoying ther summer?</P>


http://cmsimg.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A3&amp;Date=20100914&amp;Category=GW01&amp;ArtNo=91 40324&amp;Ref=AR&amp;MaxW=640&amp;Border=0</P>


Z</P>


</P>


Hey SEC, I have been good, how bout you?</P>


The guy on the left is it Brad Van Pelt? </P>


</P>


Doing quite wellNY06....thanks for asking . One ofmy sons is getting married in July and one of my daughters just got engaged last week will be quite a summer lol [:D]</P>


Yes ,that is Brad Van Pelt on the left.... the other guy was not a Giant by was a great player for another team Both went to MSU</P>


Z</P>


</P>


The only other MSU grad that I can think of in Brad's time was Billy Joe DuPree... went to Dallas</P>


</P>


Thats are old nemisis Larry Brown from the Skins...saw you guys talking about him recently. For some reason I always had him as a MSU guy....which is incorrect had to throw you guys off the trail anyway lol jk</P>


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OO0m8-qIjDI/TYj9nX3yw5I/AAAAAAAAD84/GzZloY89XdM/s1600/lbrown.jpg</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-15-2011, 05:05 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

same here,rosey.agree 100%.</P>


</P>


</P>


*note*common misconception about this clip-it was NOT his mouthpiece that came flying out on that stop...it was his EAR piece.the rb(humphries?) stated after the game that he was wearing the type of helmet that had snap in ear pieces,not the kind with the foam glued to the plastic of the helmet.man,you've really got to drill someone to have that happen!</P>


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SEC105
06-15-2011, 05:08 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>

allentown PA
06-15-2011, 10:30 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1901389/reasons-o.gif

1989...great game..that 89 team was as good as the 90 team imo.

allentown PA
06-15-2011, 10:32 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated.* Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line.* The best group I can remember.



reasons is better than any backer we have on the team now imo.

zimonami
06-15-2011, 10:57 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

reasons is better than any backer we have on the team now imo.</P>


You have my vote, too. I don't think there's any question.</P>

rbcarpenter
06-16-2011, 02:25 AM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

NYG 5
06-16-2011, 10:01 AM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</p>


Those were the good ole days..</p>


</p>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </p>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</p>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</p>


Z</p>i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****

zimonami
06-16-2011, 12:29 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>


i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****
</P>


He had the right guys... Reasons, Banks, Harry... in the positions where he had to trust someone. Jennings was good at the fake punt and completing a pass... BUT, someone assist my bad memory... My memory banks tell me that Landetta lost the handle on an intended pass off a fake punt,and nearly lost it for an INT.Or else he bobbled the snap and tried to throw a pass.... likethat idiot FG kicker (someone will surely remember his name. I have the picture of his face clear, but not his name) for Miami in the Superbowl that nearly threw an INT??</P>

rbcarpenter
06-16-2011, 03:44 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>


i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****
</P>


He had the right guys... Reasons, Banks, Harry... in the positions where he had to trust someone. Jennings was good at the fake punt and completing a pass... BUT, someone assist my bad memory... My memory banks tell me that Landetta lost the handle on an intended pass off a fake punt,and nearly lost it for an INT.Or else he bobbled the snap and tried to throw a pass.... likethat idiot FG kicker (someone will surely remember his name. I have the picture of his face clear, but not his name) for Miami in the Superbowl that nearly threw an INT??</P>


garo yepremian(spelling?)is the the miami kicker.he did throw it for a pick to mike bass,which was the skins only score in a 14-7 loss to the perfect dolphins.in '85,when playing the cowboys in dallas in the 15th game that year,with the division on the line,landeta attempted a pass off a bobbled snap from his own 5 yard line.it fell incomplete,and dallas scored one or two plays later.i don't remember if this was the tying score for the cowboys,or the one that gave them the lead...who was to know 3 weeks later poor old sean would make an ever BIGGER screw-up?also in the dallas game i mentioned:</P>


</P>


a-what other weird way did dallas get a gift td,and</P>


b-what did the giants d do that day that was pretty remarkable?</P>

rbcarpenter
06-16-2011, 03:45 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>


i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****
</P>


He had the right guys... Reasons, Banks, Harry... in the positions where he had to trust someone. Jennings was good at the fake punt and completing a pass... BUT, someone assist my bad memory... My memory banks tell me that Landetta lost the handle on an intended pass off a fake punt,and nearly lost it for an INT.Or else he bobbled the snap and tried to throw a pass.... likethat idiot FG kicker (someone will surely remember his name. I have the picture of his face clear, but not his name) for Miami in the Superbowl that nearly threw an INT??</P>


garo yepremian(spelling?)is the the miami kicker.he did throw it for a pick to mike bass,which was the skins only score in a 14-7 loss to the perfect dolphins.in '85,when playing the cowboys in dallas in the 15th game that year,with the division on the line,landeta attempted a pass off a bobbled snap from his own 5 yard line.it fell incomplete,and dallas scored one or two plays later.i don't remember if this was the tying score for the cowboys,or the one that gave them the lead...who was to know 3 weeks later poor old sean would make an ever BIGGER screw-up?also in the dallas game i mentioned:</P>


</P>


a-what other weird way did dallas get a gift td,and</P>


b-what did the giants d do that day that was pretty remarkable?</P>just remembered...it WAS the tying score,not the go-ahead.

SEC105
06-16-2011, 04:58 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>


i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****
</P>


He had the right guys... Reasons, Banks, Harry... in the positions where he had to trust someone. Jennings was good at the fake punt and completing a pass... BUT, someone assist my bad memory... My memory banks tell me that Landetta lost the handle on an intended pass off a fake punt,and nearly lost it for an INT.Or else he bobbled the snap and tried to throw a pass.... likethat idiot FG kicker (someone will surely remember his name. I have the picture of his face clear, but not his name) for Miami in the Superbowl that nearly threw an INT??</P>


garo yepremian(spelling?)is the the miami kicker.he did throw it for a pick to mike bass,which was the skins only score in a 14-7 loss to the perfect dolphins.in '85,when playing the cowboys in dallas in the 15th game that year,with the division on the line,landeta attempted a pass off a bobbled snap from his own 5 yard line.it fell incomplete,and dallas scored one or two plays later.i don't remember if this was the tying score for the cowboys,or the one that gave them the lead...who was to know 3 weeks later poor old sean would make an ever BIGGER screw-up?also in the dallas game i mentioned:</P>


</P>


a-what other weird way did dallas get a gift td,and</P>


b-what did the giants d do that day that was pretty remarkable?</P>


</P>


Here's the Garo Yepremian video of that SB play...he played his first season [or part of]with no facemask...guess he learned early on better to have even it was only a single bar </P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGC-uGKivvE&amp;feature=related</P>


Giants/Dallas 1985...... if it's the game I'm thinking of ......Jim Jeffcoat had long int. for a TD</P>


Z</P>

zimonami
06-16-2011, 08:53 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>


i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****
</P>


He had the right guys... Reasons, Banks, Harry... in the positions where he had to trust someone. Jennings was good at the fake punt and completing a pass... BUT, someone assist my bad memory... My memory banks tell me that Landetta lost the handle on an intended pass off a fake punt,and nearly lost it for an INT.Or else he bobbled the snap and tried to throw a pass.... likethat idiot FG kicker (someone will surely remember his name. I have the picture of his face clear, but not his name) for Miami in the Superbowl that nearly threw an INT??</P>


garo yepremian(spelling?)is the the miami kicker.he did throw it for a pick to mike bass,which was the skins only score in a 14-7 loss to the perfect dolphins.in '85,when playing the cowboys in dallas in the 15th game that year,with the division on the line,landeta attempted a pass off a bobbled snap from his own 5 yard line.it fell incomplete,and dallas scored one or two plays later.i don't remember if this was the tying score for the cowboys,or the one that gave them the lead...who was to know 3 weeks later poor old sean would make an ever BIGGER screw-up?also in the dallas game i mentioned:</P>


</P>


a-what other weird way did dallas get a gift td,and</P>


b-what did the giants d do that day that was pretty remarkable?</P>


</P>


TY, rbc... yes, Garo... idiot didn't have a clue.</P>


On Landett'a whiff in the '85 NFC Chamionship... I must have watched that drop 20 times, every time looking for movement from the wind, and not from Sean simply dropping it to far to the right. I'm fairly confidant that the ball drop trajectory actually changed once it was a few inches out of Sean's hands... it truly was the wind.</P>


If you'll remember in that game, our beloved Rob Carpenter fumbled a ball for absolutely no reason... just like when Jerry Rice fumbled against us for no reason. After that Chicago loss, and especially because of the freak Landetta and Carpenter plays, I was convinced we were the better team and felt confidant '86 would be our year. </P>


Carpenter should have been on that '86 team.</P>

rbcarpenter
06-17-2011, 01:10 AM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>


i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****
</P>


He had the right guys... Reasons, Banks, Harry... in the positions where he had to trust someone. Jennings was good at the fake punt and completing a pass... BUT, someone assist my bad memory... My memory banks tell me that Landetta lost the handle on an intended pass off a fake punt,and nearly lost it for an INT.Or else he bobbled the snap and tried to throw a pass.... likethat idiot FG kicker (someone will surely remember his name. I have the picture of his face clear, but not his name) for Miami in the Superbowl that nearly threw an INT??</P>


garo yepremian(spelling?)is the the miami kicker.he did throw it for a pick to mike bass,which was the skins only score in a 14-7 loss to the perfect dolphins.in '85,when playing the cowboys in dallas in the 15th game that year,with the division on the line,landeta attempted a pass off a bobbled snap from his own 5 yard line.it fell incomplete,and dallas scored one or two plays later.i don't remember if this was the tying score for the cowboys,or the one that gave them the lead...who was to know 3 weeks later poor old sean would make an ever BIGGER screw-up?also in the dallas game i mentioned:</P>


</P>


a-what other weird way did dallas get a gift td,and</P>


b-what did the giants d do that day that was pretty remarkable?</P>


</P>


TY, rbc... yes, Garo... idiot didn't have a clue.</P>


On Landett'a whiff in the '85 NFC Chamionship... I must have watched that drop 20 times, every time looking for movement from the wind, and not from Sean simply dropping it to far to the right. I'm fairly confidant that the ball drop trajectory actually changed once it was a few inches out of Sean's hands... it truly was the wind.</P>


If you'll remember in that game, our beloved Rob Carpenter fumbled a ball for absolutely no reason... just like when Jerry Rice fumbled against us for no reason. After that Chicago loss, and especially because of the freak Landetta and Carpenter plays, I was convinced we were the better team and felt confidant '86 would be our year. </P>


Carpenter should have been on that '86 team.</P>


true,i was always disappointed that they shipped him to the rams in the 85 off season.</P>


</P>


a-too tall jones deflected a pass 10yards behind simms to jeffcoat(who was so weel blocked out of the play he wasn't even in the picture!)who went 60-70 yards for a td.</P>


</P>


b-the giant sknocked out BOTH the starter(danny white)and the 2nd stringer(gary hogeboom),for the season in the space of 5 minutes,making qb's # 8+9 that they had knocked out of at least the game they were playing at the time that season...they then gave up the winning td drive(and the division title)to the 3rd stringer,scott pelleur.</P>

zimonami
06-17-2011, 12:24 PM
I thought Gary was a really good LB, and underrated. Perhaps it's because of the guys he played with, but I've always liked him.

But thinking back, all our LB's seemed to have great instincts at the goal line. The best group I can remember.

</P>


Those were the good ole days..</P>


</P>


They definitely were great, ny, and younger days for us all :) </P>




Reasons was also involved in a very famous special teams play. Anyone remember the play?


</P>


OK.....which one of us saw this play coming?.....I know I didn't lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthfQ9qFZ_8</P>


Z</P>


i nearly fell off the couch with that one,lol! down 4 points with 5-7 minutes left in the nfc championship,i thought he would have landeta boom it deep,pin them claose to the end zone,and really go after steve young(montana was out at that point).this is what it sounded like in my house..."wha...huh...RUUUUUUN!!!RUUUUN!YEEEEEEES!!"

that was a great call. Tuna had some massive balls. not so much offensively, but he loved using special teams as a mind ****
</P>


He had the right guys... Reasons, Banks, Harry... in the positions where he had to trust someone. Jennings was good at the fake punt and completing a pass... BUT, someone assist my bad memory... My memory banks tell me that Landetta lost the handle on an intended pass off a fake punt,and nearly lost it for an INT.Or else he bobbled the snap and tried to throw a pass.... likethat idiot FG kicker (someone will surely remember his name. I have the picture of his face clear, but not his name) for Miami in the Superbowl that nearly threw an INT??</P>


garo yepremian(spelling?)is the the miami kicker.he did throw it for a pick to mike bass,which was the skins only score in a 14-7 loss to the perfect dolphins.in '85,when playing the cowboys in dallas in the 15th game that year,with the division on the line,landeta attempted a pass off a bobbled snap from his own 5 yard line.it fell incomplete,and dallas scored one or two plays later.i don't remember if this was the tying score for the cowboys,or the one that gave them the lead...who was to know 3 weeks later poor old sean would make an ever BIGGER screw-up?also in the dallas game i mentioned:</P>


</P>


a-what other weird way did dallas get a gift td,and</P>


b-what did the giants d do that day that was pretty remarkable?</P>


</P>


TY, rbc... yes, Garo... idiot didn't have a clue.</P>


On Landett'a whiff in the '85 NFC Chamionship... I must have watched that drop 20 times, every time looking for movement from the wind, and not from Sean simply dropping it to far to the right. I'm fairly confidant that the ball drop trajectory actually changed once it was a few inches out of Sean's hands... it truly was the wind.</P>


If you'll remember in that game, our beloved Rob Carpenter fumbled a ball for absolutely no reason... just like when Jerry Rice fumbled against us for no reason. After that Chicago loss, and especially because of the freak Landetta and Carpenter plays, I was convinced we were the better team and felt confidant '86 would be our year. </P>


Carpenter should have been on that '86 team.</P>


true,i was always disappointed that they shipped him to the rams in the 85 off season.</P>


</P>


a-too tall jones deflected a pass 10yards behind simms to jeffcoat(who was so weel blocked out of the play he wasn't even in the picture!)who went 60-70 yards for a td.</P>


</P>


b-the giant sknocked out BOTH the starter(danny white)and the 2nd stringer(gary hogeboom),for the season in the space of 5 minutes,making qb's # 8+9 that they had knocked out of at least the game they were playing at the time that season...they then gave up the winning td drive(and the division title)to the 3rd stringer,scott pelleur.</P>


</P>


OMG... Scott Pelleur. What a bad memory. Any Giant fan who has been around for a while knows that we have a history of losing to replacement QB's.</P>

YATittle1962
06-18-2011, 12:36 AM
name as many D Coordinators as you can ....in order if possible........from Landry to Fewell





this should be fun....... :)

jomo
06-18-2011, 08:47 PM
name as many D Coordinators as you can ....in order if possible........from Landry to Fewell this should be fun....... :)I'll take some low hanging fruit to get this going.</P>


Arnsbarger</P>


Parcells</P>


Bellichek</P>


Mike Nolan</P>


Lewis</P>


Spagnuolo</P>


Fox</P>


</P>

zimonami
06-18-2011, 10:09 PM
name as many D Coordinators as you can ....in order if possible........from Landry to Fewell this should be fun....... :)I'll take some low hanging fruit to get this going.</P>


Arnsbarger</P>


Parcells</P>


Bellichek</P>


Mike Nolan</P>


Lewis</P>


Spagnuolo</P>


Fox</P>


</P>


</P>


Sheridan; Fewell</P>

NYG 5
06-19-2011, 10:50 AM
John fox, johnny lynn, tim lewis, SPAGS THE MIGHTY, bill sheridan, perry fewell. All during my time

jmike
06-19-2011, 12:03 PM
Fewell

Sheridan

Spags

Lewis

Lynn

Fox

Nolan

Rust

Belichek

Think that is everyone since 90.....getting this nagging feeling I am forgeting someone around Nolan/Fox.....hmmmm....

YATittle1962
06-19-2011, 12:15 PM
Fewell

Sheridan

Spags

Lewis

Lynn

Fox

Nolan

Rust

Belichek

Think that is everyone since 90.....getting this nagging feeling I am forgeting someone around Nolan/Fox.....hmmmm....


was Al Groh between Rust and Belicheck?

jomo
06-19-2011, 01:51 PM
Fewell

Sheridan

Spags

Lewis

Lynn

Fox

Nolan

Rust

Belichek

Think that is everyone since 90.....getting this nagging feeling I am forgeting someone around Nolan/Fox.....hmmmm....
was Al Groh between Rust and Belicheck?That sounds right, but not sure.

YATittle1962
06-19-2011, 02:20 PM
Fewell

Sheridan

Spags

Lewis

Lynn

Fox

Nolan

Rust

Belichek

Think that is everyone since 90.....getting this nagging feeling I am forgeting someone around Nolan/Fox.....hmmmm....
was Al Groh between Rust and Belicheck?That sounds right, but not sure.

pretty sure its right.....and Ill throw Marty Schottenheimer out there as well

Roswell777
06-19-2011, 10:05 PM
Fewell

Sheridan

Spags

Lewis

Lynn

Fox

Nolan

Rust

Belichek

Think that is everyone since 90.....getting this nagging feeling I am forgeting someone around Nolan/Fox.....hmmmm....
was Al Groh between Rust and Belicheck?That sounds right, but not sure.

pretty sure its right.....and Ill throw Marty Schottenheimer out
there as well


Lynn and Lewis were the dark days of D coordinators. A brutal time in our storied defensive history. I guess you could throw Sheridan in there too but I think he was the victim of Rouse and Brown attorneys at law.

jmike
06-20-2011, 08:37 AM
Fewell

Sheridan

Spags

Lewis

Lynn

Fox

Nolan

Rust

Belichek

Think that is everyone since 90.....getting this nagging feeling I am forgeting someone around Nolan/Fox.....hmmmm....
was Al Groh between Rust and Belicheck?That sounds right, but not sure.

pretty sure its right.....and Ill throw Marty Schottenheimer out there as well

Yes you are right.....damn my stupid memory....1991 DC.

NYG 5
06-20-2011, 10:39 AM
as oblivious as lynn was, the defense was still really good in 2002. that team could hit. they were like 2nd or 3rd in scoring defense that year. its hard to gauge him with all the injuries and lost free agents that team took from 2002-2003. that team was completely scrapped and replaced within 2 years.

all tim lewis did was run cover 2 all day. he was so afraid to do anything with imagination. you could have had a monkey do his job. if the giants were lined up man to man better than the other team, they put up huge numbers. if they lined up against a good team, they got killed in crunch time. you could argue that there was essentially no defensive coordinator when he was here. spags was the first guy who knew how to bring pressure since fox.

SEC105
06-20-2011, 04:27 PM
How's everybody doing......enjoying the summer? Little pic I thought you might enjoy</P>


http://s4.hubimg.com/u/1486479_f496.jpg</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-20-2011, 04:34 PM
Sad news over the weekend....RIP to " The Big Man".....Clarence Clemons E Street won't be the same without him</P>


http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2011/06/kjhvtfcurdytsre.jpg</P>


Z</P>

zimonami
06-20-2011, 10:53 PM
How's everybody doing......enjoying the summer? Little pic I thought you might enjoy</P>


http://s4.hubimg.com/u/1486479_f496.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>


Barbara Streisand singingin the backround... "Memories..."</P>


Superb</P>


</P>

jomo
06-20-2011, 11:27 PM
How's everybody doing......enjoying the summer? Little pic I thought you might enjoy</P>


http://s4.hubimg.com/u/1486479_f496.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>


Barbara Streisand singingin the backround... "Memories..."</P>


Superb</P>


</P>[:D]

YATittle1962
06-20-2011, 11:46 PM
Sad news over the weekend....RIP to " The Big Man".....Clarence Clemons** E Street won't be the same without him</P>


http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2011/06/kjhvtfcurdytsre.jpg</P>


Z</P>

rest easy Clarence........rest easy

ny06
06-21-2011, 11:14 AM
1987 Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants Vs. Denver Broncos</P>


http://www.watchmojo.com/tv/Hulu/NFL%20Network/50028197/</P>

jints10
06-21-2011, 07:23 PM
Sad news over the weekend....RIP to " The Big Man".....Clarence Clemons E Street won't be the same without him</P>


http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2011/06/kjhvtfcurdytsre.jpg</P>


Z</P>


rest easy Clarence........rest easy</P>


Pretty sure I read somewhere that he had a tryout for the Bills but his knees were shot. I guess football's loss was music's gain. I loved him with the Grateful Dead and now he can join Jerry in that great band in the sky. RIP Big Man, Clarence "Nick" Clemmons</P>

zimonami
06-21-2011, 09:04 PM
1987 Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants Vs. Denver Broncos</P>


http://www.watchmojo.com/tv/Hulu/NFL%20Network/50028197/</P>


</P>


Perfect pick-me-up/. Thanks 06</P>

jomo
06-21-2011, 09:30 PM
1987 Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants Vs. Denver Broncos</P>


http://www.watchmojo.com/tv/Hulu/NFL%20Network/50028197/</P>


</P>


Perfect pick-me-up/. Thanks 06</P>[:D][B]

zimonami
06-21-2011, 09:44 PM
1987 Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants Vs. Denver Broncos</P>


http://www.watchmojo.com/tv/Hulu/NFL%20Network/50028197/</P>


</P>


Perfect pick-me-up/. Thanks 06</P>


[:D][B]</P>


In the first half of SBXXI, Rich Karlis set SB records on 2 consecutive FG attempts. What were they and Can you answer BEFORE watching the film clip? :)</P>


</P>

rbcarpenter
06-21-2011, 09:58 PM
1987 Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants Vs. Denver Broncos</P>


http://www.watchmojo.com/tv/Hulu/NFL%20Network/50028197/</P>


</P>


Perfect pick-me-up/. Thanks 06</P>


[:D][B]</P>


In the first half of SBXXI, Rich Karlis set SB records on 2 consecutive FG attempts. What were they and Can you answer BEFORE watching the film clip? :)</P>


</P>sure can!...longest fg made,shortest fg missed!

zimonami
06-21-2011, 11:13 PM
1987 Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants Vs. Denver Broncos</P>


http://www.watchmojo.com/tv/Hulu/NFL%20Network/50028197/</P>


</P>


Perfect pick-me-up/. Thanks 06</P>


[:D][B]</P>


In the first half of SBXXI, Rich Karlis set SB records on 2 consecutive FG attempts. What were they and Can you answer BEFORE watching the film clip? :)</P>


</P>


sure can!...longest fg made,shortest fg missed!</P>


A+ for you, rbc.</P>

SEC105
06-22-2011, 04:56 PM
1987 Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants Vs. Denver Broncos</P>


http://www.watchmojo.com/tv/Hulu/NFL%20Network/50028197/</P>


</P>


Perfect pick-me-up/. Thanks 06</P>


[:D][B]</P>


In the first half of SBXXI, Rich Karlis set SB records on 2 consecutive FG attempts. What were they and Can you answer BEFORE watching the film clip? :)</P>


</P>


sure can!...longest fg made,shortest fg missed!</P>


A+ for you, rbc.</P>


</P>


member this Karliss FG in OT to get them to Pasadena....Many Browns fans [amonst others ] still say this kick was NO GOOD</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2O7bDqMO0I</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-22-2011, 04:59 PM
Name a Giant who wore number 89 and returned a punt for a TD? I can name onefrom memory</P>


Z</P>

rbcarpenter
06-22-2011, 05:06 PM
Name a Giant who wore number 89 and returned a punt for a TD? I can name onefrom memory</P>


Z</P>


toomer?</P>


</P>

rbcarpenter
06-22-2011, 05:08 PM
his first and 2nd year he wore 89 and returned punts,soooo,....?

SEC105
06-22-2011, 05:16 PM
his first and 2nd year he wore 89 and returned punts,soooo,....?</P>


Thats exactly who I was thinking of RBC....against the Eagles [&lt;:o)] no less!!! lol</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHxQm5tA4Ns</P>


Are there any other 89s who have returned a punt for a TD?</P>


Z</P>

ny06
06-22-2011, 11:31 PM
</P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slideshows/514/slideshow_51447/display_image.jpg?x=808167</P>

jmike
06-22-2011, 11:31 PM
Well the list of Giants who have returned punts for TDs is rather short.

Meggett
Tunnell
Toomer
Chad Morton
Rondy Colbert
Herb Johnson
Bobby Duhon

Tiki Barber
Hixon
Jimmy Patton
Bosh Pritchard
Bobby Hammond
Victor Carroll

Any of them wear 89?

jmike
06-22-2011, 11:33 PM
On a related note....only 3 Giants have returned more than one kick-off for a TD. Can you name them?

YATittle1962
06-22-2011, 11:34 PM
Well the list of Giants who have returned punts for TDs is rather short.

Meggett
Tunnell
Toomer
Chad Morton
Rondy Colbert
Herb Johnson
Bobby Duhon

Tiki Barber
Hixon
Jimmy Patton
Bosh Pritchard
Bobby Hammond
Victor Carroll

Any of them wear 89?


Toomer

ny06
06-22-2011, 11:37 PM
On a related note....only 3 Giants have returned more than one kick-off for a TD. Can you name them?
</P>


Toomer</P>


Meggett</P>


Tunnell</P>

jmike
06-22-2011, 11:52 PM
No

No

aaaaaaand

No

allentown PA
06-22-2011, 11:53 PM
On a related note....only 3 Giants have returned more than one kick-off for a TD.* Can you name them?


hixon..ponder and dixon

jmike
06-22-2011, 11:57 PM
On a related note....only 3 Giants have returned more than one kick-off for a TD. Can you name them?


hixon..ponder and dixon

no, yes and no

jomo
06-23-2011, 12:14 AM
Well the list of Giants who have returned punts for TDs is rather short.

Meggett
Tunnell
Toomer
Chad Morton
Rondy Colbert
Herb Johnson
Bobby Duhon

Tiki Barber
Hixon
Jimmy Patton
Bosh Pritchard
Bobby Hammond
Victor Carroll

Any of them wear 89?
I could swear Homer Jones was on this list.

zimonami
06-23-2011, 12:27 AM
Well the list of Giants who have returned punts for TDs is rather short.

Meggett
Tunnell
Toomer
Chad Morton
Rondy Colbert
Herb Johnson
Bobby Duhon

Tiki Barber
Hixon
Jimmy Patton
Bosh Pritchard
Bobby Hammond
Victor Carroll

Any of them wear 89?
I could swear Homer Jones was on this list.</P>


On first thought I would swear you're right, jomo. Then, I'm thinking Homer got his TD on a Monday night against the Jets when he was with Cleveland</P>

YATittle1962
06-23-2011, 12:53 AM
No

No

aaaaaaand

No
Toomer wore 89 and returned 2 punts for a TD in 96 and 1 in 97

rbcarpenter
06-23-2011, 01:12 AM
On a related note....only 3 Giants have returned more than one kick-off for a TD. Can you name them?
hixon..ponder and dixon

no, yes and no
dixon did have 2 td's...it's just that they were both in the playoffs(eagles)and super bowl(ravens)in 2000.no reg season td's.

NYG 5
06-23-2011, 10:28 AM
LOL chad morton actually managed to run a punt all the way back? i can only remember him gassing out and falling down around the 20 yard line every time

rbcarpenter
06-23-2011, 11:31 AM
LOL chad morton actually managed to run a punt all the way back? i can only remember him gassing out and falling down around the 20 yard line every time
i can't remember him doing anything other than fair catching or fumbling.

allentown PA
06-23-2011, 01:37 PM
No

No

aaaaaaand

No
Toomer wore 89 and returned 2 punts for a TD in 96 and 1 in 97

I think she means kickoffs not punts...but not sure

YATittle1962
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Well the list of Giants who have returned punts for TDs is rather short.

Meggett
Tunnell
Toomer
Chad Morton
Rondy Colbert
Herb Johnson
Bobby Duhon

Tiki Barber
Hixon
Jimmy Patton
Bosh Pritchard
Bobby Hammond
Victor Carroll

Any of them wear 89?


post clearly says punts

rbcarpenter
06-23-2011, 02:45 PM
On a related note....only 3 Giants have returned more than one kick-off for a TD. Can you name them?
hixon..ponder and dixon

no, yes and no
dixon did have 2 td's...it's just that they were both in the playoffs(eagles)and super bowl(ravens)in 2000.no reg season td's.this was a side note question,that's all.

jmike
06-23-2011, 10:05 PM
No

No

aaaaaaand

No
Toomer wore 89 and returned 2 punts for a TD in 96 and 1 in 97

your point?

allentown PA
06-23-2011, 10:07 PM
Well the list of Giants who have returned punts for TDs is rather short.

Meggett
Tunnell
Toomer
Chad Morton
Rondy Colbert
Herb Johnson
Bobby Duhon

Tiki Barber
Hixon
Jimmy Patton
Bosh Pritchard
Bobby Hammond
Victor Carroll

Any of them wear 89?


post clearly says punts


I must have got the questions mixed up...I thoght u were answering the side note question sir.

jmike
06-23-2011, 10:09 PM
On a related note....only 3 Giants have returned more than one kick-off for a TD. Can you name them?
hixon..ponder and dixon

no, yes and no
dixon did have 2 td's...it's just that they were both in the playoffs(eagles)and super bowl(ravens)in 2000.no reg season td's.

You are right....I should have said regular season kick-offs.

YATittle1962
06-23-2011, 10:15 PM
No

No

aaaaaaand

No
Toomer wore 89 and returned 2 punts for a TD in 96 and 1 in 97

your point?


you listed players and asked if any of them who returned punts wore 89

jmike
06-23-2011, 10:53 PM
No

No

aaaaaaand

No
Toomer wore 89 and returned 2 punts for a TD in 96 and 1 in 97

your point?


you listed players and asked if any of them who returned punts wore 89

That was because SEC was asking if somebody other than Toomer, so I looked up all the guys who returned punts for TDs.

The question asked was who were the 3 players who returned more than 1 (regular season) kick-off for TDs. So far only Ponder was given.

SEC105
06-24-2011, 05:29 PM
Speaking of "special teams".....who are these two. One should be fairly easy</P>


http://www.giants.com/images/content/photos/04_0114_ms.jpg</P>


Z</P>

jmike
06-24-2011, 11:00 PM
Speaking of "special teams".....who are these two. One should be fairly easy</p>


http://www.giants.com/images/content/photos/04_0114_ms.jpg</p>


Z</p>

Landeta and Sweatman or something like that

zimonami
06-25-2011, 11:26 AM
In our 2000 Superbowl season...</P>


Who carried the ball more... Dayne or Tiki?</P>


</P>

zimonami
06-25-2011, 11:28 AM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, our receptions leaders were:</P>


Amani, then Tiki, then Ike.... then ?????</P>

zimonami
06-25-2011, 11:28 AM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, who threw a pass besides Kerry?</P>


</P>

zimonami
06-25-2011, 12:52 PM
In the 2000 season... list in order the top 3 players with the most carries from scrimmage

jomo
06-25-2011, 12:52 PM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, who threw a pass besides Kerry?</P>


</P>Jason Garret was the backup QB but I'm gonna guess it wasn't him. My wild guess is Ike Hilliard, mostly because I loved that guy's courage.

rbcarpenter
06-25-2011, 01:11 PM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, our receptions leaders were:</P>


Amani, then Tiki, then Ike.... then ?????</P>FOR ME,THIS IS AN EASY ONE BECAUSE I WAS ESTATIC WHEN WE SIGNED HIM-PETE MITCHELL...whoops,didn't mean to shout.

rbcarpenter
06-25-2011, 01:14 PM
In our 2000 Superbowl season...</P>


Who carried the ball more... Dayne or Tiki?</P>


</P>i going to guess dayne,because that was tiki's first 1000 yard season,and if i recall,he had a vey high ypc,like 4.9 or 5,which is 200 carries....dayne had about 750 yards,and a low ypc,which means more carries...pretty logical,huh?....now watch this i'm probably wrong[:(]

NYG 5
06-25-2011, 04:38 PM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, who threw a pass besides Kerry?</p>


</p>

is this a trick question? i thought he threw every pass that season, except for the viking game when they pulled him in the 4th quarter. i think jason garrett threw like one pass, then joe montgomery carried the ball the rest of the game.

zimonami
06-26-2011, 11:39 AM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, who threw a pass besides Kerry?</P>


</P>




is this a trick question? i thought he threw every pass that season, except for the viking game when they pulled him in the 4th quarter. i think jason garrett threw like one pass, then joe montgomery carried the ball the rest of the game.
</P>


LOL... yes, trick. My source says only Kerry gthrew a pass that year. zero for Jason</P>

zimonami
06-26-2011, 11:45 AM
In our 2000 Superbowl season...</P>


Who carried the ball more... Dayne or Tiki?</P>


</P>


i going to guess dayne,because that was tiki's first 1000 yard season,and if i recall,he had a vey high ypc,like 4.9 or 5,which is 200 carries....dayne had about 750 yards,and a low ypc,which means more carries...pretty logical,huh?....now watch this i'm probably wrong[:(]</P>


exactly</P>

zimonami
06-26-2011, 11:47 AM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, our receptions leaders were:</P>


Amani, then Tiki, then Ike.... then ?????</P>


FOR ME,THIS IS AN EASY ONE BECAUSE I WAS ESTATIC WHEN WE SIGNED HIM-PETE MITCHELL...whoops,didn't mean to shout.</P>


Then Pro Football source says Greg Comella with 38.</P>

jmike
06-26-2011, 09:55 PM
Since nobody seems to know, the 3 players with more than one regular season kick-of return for a TD are Willie Ponder, Rocky Thompson and Clarence Childs; all with 2.

NYG 5
06-26-2011, 10:04 PM
thats it? thats pathetic. oh, giants special teams.

jmike
06-26-2011, 10:36 PM
Well the original question was what 3 so yes that would be it. [:)]

jomo
06-26-2011, 11:24 PM
Since nobody seems to know, the 3 players with more than one regular season kick-of return for a TD are Willie Ponder, Rocky Thompson and Clarence Childs; all with 2.
Clarence Childs, aha! I kept thinking that Homer Jones was in there but it was Childs, more or less from that era, who was the one. Thanks JM.

rbcarpenter
06-27-2011, 04:34 PM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, our receptions leaders were:</P>


Amani, then Tiki, then Ike.... then ?????</P>


FOR ME,THIS IS AN EASY ONE BECAUSE I WAS ESTATIC WHEN WE SIGNED HIM-PETE MITCHELL...whoops,didn't mean to shout.</P>


Then Pro Football source says Greg Comella with 38.</P>you're right,i missed that one!

SEC105
06-27-2011, 04:39 PM
Speaking of "special teams".....who are these two. One should be fairly easy</P>


http://www.giants.com/images/content/photos/04_0114_ms.jpg</P>


Z</P>




Landeta and Sweatman or something like that
</P>


Thats them good job.....busy weekend....should have replied sooner</P>


http://www.associatesgolfcarts.com/special_images/Landeta_Giants_200.jpg</P>


Z</P>

zimonami
06-27-2011, 04:40 PM
In our 2000 Superbowl season, our receptions leaders were:</P>


Amani, then Tiki, then Ike.... then ?????</P>


FOR ME,THIS IS AN EASY ONE BECAUSE I WAS ESTATIC WHEN WE SIGNED HIM-PETE MITCHELL...whoops,didn't mean to shout.</P>


Then Pro Football source says Greg Comella with 38.</P>


you're right,i missed that one!</P>


hahahaha... you are still one of the most accurate here, for the record, rbc. Everyone gets a few brain farts... especially WE older peeps...lol.</P>


JM- I knew Rocky Thompson with the 2 TD punt runbacks, but I forgot to post it before it was too late. I never would have guessed Childs in a million years. I was at the game when, as a rookie, Rocky took his very first Kickoff back to the House. However, he was useless as an RB,. and as a tackler on ST's.</P>

SEC105
06-27-2011, 05:10 PM
Easy one for the Gang.....who's the QB and the Giant rushing him?</P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/960/404/Jurgensen_sonny_phi_321_12__display_image.jpg?1306 728164</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-27-2011, 05:15 PM
Since nobody seems to know, the 3 players with more than one regular season kick-of return for a TD are Willie Ponder, Rocky Thompson and Clarence Childs; all with 2.
Clarence Childs, aha! I kept thinking that Homer Jones was in there but it was Childs, more or less from that era, who was the one. Thanks JM.</P>


Clarence Childs played what position besides DB and Kick returner?....early in his career</P>


http://im2.ebidst.com/upload_big/3/9/7/1268934604-24634-0.jpg</P>


Z</P>

rbcarpenter
06-27-2011, 05:23 PM
Easy one for the Gang.....who's the QB and the Giant rushing him?</P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/960/404/Jurgensen_sonny_phi_321_12__display_image.jpg?1306 728164</P>


Z</P>sonny jurgensen...don't know who the rusher is.

SEC105
06-27-2011, 05:52 PM
Easy one for the Gang.....who's the QB and the Giant rushing him?</P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/960/404/Jurgensen_sonny_phi_321_12__display_image.jpg?1306 728164</P>


Z</P>


sonny jurgensen...don't know who the rusher is.</P>


Thats Sonny RBC , nice job.....I'm sure someone will jump on who that Giant lineman is</P>


http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/t_30269_01.jpg</P>


Z</P>

YATittle1962
06-27-2011, 09:39 PM
Easy one for the Gang.....who's the QB and the Giant rushing him?</P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/960/404/Jurgensen_sonny_phi_321_12__display_image.jpg?1306 728164</P>


Z</P>


sonny jurgensen...don't know who the rusher is.</P>


Thats Sonny RBC , nice job.....I'm sure someone will jump on who that Giant lineman is</P>


http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/t_30269_01.jpg</P>


Z</P>

thats Katcavage

zimonami
06-28-2011, 08:29 PM
Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</P>


</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>

ny06
06-28-2011, 11:02 PM
<FONT color=#0000ff>Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</FONT></P>


</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>


</P>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </P>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </P>


</P>

zimonami
06-28-2011, 11:25 PM
<FONT color=#0000ff>Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</FONT></P>


</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>


</P>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </P>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </P>


</P>


</P>


Good guess, 06. I also liked Harris... but it wasn't him... I don't think Harris was on the 2000 SB Team.</P>

allentown PA
06-28-2011, 11:27 PM
<FONT color=#0000ff>Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</FONT></P>


*</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>


</P>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </P>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </P>


*</P>


</P>


Good guess, 06.* I also liked Harris... but it wasn't him... I don't think Harris was on the 2000 SB Team.</P>

I liked harris too ny06...but I think it was the hammer keith hamilton...dont know who else on that team it could have been.

zimonami
06-28-2011, 11:42 PM
<FONT color=#0000ff>Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</FONT></P>


</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>


</P>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </P>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </P>


</P>


</P>


Good guess, 06. I also liked Harris... but it wasn't him... I don't think Harris was on the 2000 SB Team.</P>


I liked harris too ny06...but I think it was the hammer keith hamilton...dont know who else on that team it could have been.</P>


'twas the Hammer, allentown.</P>


</P>


No guesses on who recovered the most fumbles??? This is a good question to think a bit about.</P>

jomo
06-28-2011, 11:49 PM
<FONT color=#0000ff>Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</FONT></P>


</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>


</P>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </P>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </P>


</P>


</P>


Good guess, 06. I also liked Harris... but it wasn't him... I don't think Harris was on the 2000 SB Team.</P>


I liked harris too ny06...but I think it was the hammer keith hamilton...dont know who else on that team it could have been.</P>


'twas the Hammer, allentown.</P>


</P>


No guesses on who recovered the most fumbles??? This is a good question to think a bit about.</P>Who didn't love the hammer?

zimonami
06-28-2011, 11:54 PM
<FONT color=#0000ff>Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</FONT></P>


</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>


</P>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </P>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </P>


</P>


</P>


Good guess, 06. I also liked Harris... but it wasn't him... I don't think Harris was on the 2000 SB Team.</P>


I liked harris too ny06...but I think it was the hammer keith hamilton...dont know who else on that team it could have been.</P>


'twas the Hammer, allentown.</P>


</P>


No guesses on who recovered the most fumbles??? This is a good question to think a bit about.</P>


Who didn't love the hammer?</P>


opposing O-Linemen.</P>


Hammer gave us 12 good years...</P>

jmike
06-29-2011, 03:17 AM
<font color="#0000ff">Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</font></p>


</p>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</p>


</p>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </p>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </p>


</p>


</p>


Good guess, 06. I also liked Harris... but it wasn't him... I don't think Harris was on the 2000 SB Team.</p>


I liked harris too ny06...but I think it was the hammer keith hamilton...dont know who else on that team it could have been.</p>


'twas the Hammer, allentown.</p>


</p>


No guesses on who recovered the most fumbles??? This is a good question to think a bit about.</p>


Who didn't love the hammer?</p>


opposing O-Linemen.</p>


Hammer gave us 12 good years...</p>

Hammer was one of my all time favorites.

As far as fumbles recoveries in 2000, that's easy, same guy that lead the team in fumbles. He's also proven to have fumbled his post NFL career and because he would fumble his words. None other than Atiim Kiambu Barber!!!

zimonami
06-29-2011, 11:28 AM
<FONT color=#0000ff>Sticking with 2000, I was surprised to see that Stray was edged out by this player for the most sacks, 10.0 - 9.5... who?</FONT></P>


</P>


Also, who led the team in Fumble Recoveries?</P>


</P>


That sounds like Robert Harris. </P>


I liked when we got him from the Vikings. </P>


</P>


</P>


Good guess, 06. I also liked Harris... but it wasn't him... I don't think Harris was on the 2000 SB Team.</P>


I liked harris too ny06...but I think it was the hammer keith hamilton...dont know who else on that team it could have been.</P>


'twas the Hammer, allentown.</P>


</P>


No guesses on who recovered the most fumbles??? This is a good question to think a bit about.</P>


Who didn't love the hammer?</P>


opposing O-Linemen.</P>


Hammer gave us 12 good years...</P>




Hammer was one of my all time favorites.

As far as fumbles recoveries in 2000, that's easy, same guy that lead the team in fumbles. He's also proven to have fumbled his post NFL career and because he would fumble his words. None other than Atiim Kiambu Barber!!!</P>


Bingo. WTG, jm. Fumbled 9 and recovered 5.</P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 11:37 AM
There are 32 Giants who served us for 10 or more years. How many can you name?</P>


I'll start us off with two (2) that I don't think anyone would have gotten... let me know if I'm wrong.</P>


Dale Burnett, 1930-1939. Went to Kansas Teacher's College. Weren't they in the Tidy Bowl and the top 25 last year? Dale was the first one to play 10 years for us.</P>


Frank Cope, 1938-1947 (wonder how he avoided being in WWII?)</P>


</P>


Ok, 30 more...And, whoare the 3 who played 15 seasons?</P>

ny06
06-29-2011, 11:49 AM
There are 32 Giants who served us for 10 or more years. How many can you name?</P>


I'll start us off with two (2) that I don't think anyone would have gotten... let me know if I'm wrong.</P>


Dale Burnett, 1930-1939. Went to Kansas Teacher's College. Weren't they in the Tidy Bowl and the top 25 last year? Dale was the first one to play 10 years for us.</P>


Frank Cope, 1938-1947 (wonder how he avoided being in WWII?)</P>


</P>


Ok, 30 more...And, whoare the 3 who played 15 seasons?</P>


</P>


LT, Harry Carson, George Martin, Roosevelt Brown, Tiki, Toomer, Strahan,Mel Hein, Emlen Tunnell, Jack Stroud, Keith Hamilton, Simms, Brian Kelley, Jimmy Patton.</P>


That's all I can think ofoff the top of my head. </P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 12:47 PM
There are 32 Giants who served us for 10 or more years. How many can you name?</P>


I'll start us off with two (2) that I don't think anyone would have gotten... let me know if I'm wrong.</P>


Dale Burnett, 1930-1939. Went to Kansas Teacher's College. Weren't they in the Tidy Bowl and the top 25 last year? Dale was the first one to play 10 years for us.</P>


Frank Cope, 1938-1947 (wonder how he avoided being in WWII?)</P>


</P>


Ok, 30 more...And, whoare the 3 who played 15 seasons?</P>


</P>


LT, Harry Carson, George Martin, Roosevelt Brown, Tiki, Toomer, Strahan,Mel Hein, Emlen Tunnell, Jack Stroud, Keith Hamilton, Simms, Brian Kelley, Jimmy Patton.</P>


That's all I can think ofoff the top of my head. </P>


</P>


Perfect start, 06. That's 14 out of 30... 16 more to go.</P>

YATittle1962
06-29-2011, 03:17 PM
There are 32 Giants who served us for 10 or more years. How many can you name?</P>


I'll start us off with two (2) that I don't think anyone would have gotten... let me know if I'm wrong.</P>


Dale Burnett, 1930-1939. Went to Kansas Teacher's College.* Weren't they in the Tidy Bowl and the top 25 last year? Dale was the first one to play 10 years for us.</P>


Frank Cope, 1938-1947* (wonder how he avoided being in WWII?)</P>


*</P>


Ok, 30 more...**And, who*are the 3 who played 15 seasons?</P>


</P>


LT, Harry Carson, George Martin, Roosevelt Brown, Tiki, Toomer, Strahan,**Mel Hein, Emlen Tunnell, Jack Stroud, Keith Hamilton, Simms, Brian Kelley, Jimmy Patton.</P>


That's all I can think of*off the top of my head. *</P>


</P>


Perfect start, 06.* That's 14 out of 30... 16 more to go.</P>

just saw this question and Im running out the door.......

Im pissed that I cant sit here and throw names out.......much rather sit here in the AC and do this than what im about to go do...

awesome question Zimmy

hopefully there will be a few left when i get back

zimonami
06-29-2011, 03:32 PM
There are 32 Giants who served us for 10 or more years. How many can you name?</P>


I'll start us off with two (2) that I don't think anyone would have gotten... let me know if I'm wrong.</P>


Dale Burnett, 1930-1939. Went to Kansas Teacher's College. Weren't they in the Tidy Bowl and the top 25 last year? Dale was the first one to play 10 years for us.</P>


Frank Cope, 1938-1947 (wonder how he avoided being in WWII?)</P>


</P>


Ok, 30 more...And, whoare the 3 who played 15 seasons?</P>


</P>


LT, Harry Carson, George Martin, Roosevelt Brown, Tiki, Toomer, Strahan,Mel Hein, Emlen Tunnell, Jack Stroud, Keith Hamilton, Simms, Brian Kelley, Jimmy Patton.</P>


That's all I can think ofoff the top of my head. </P>


</P>


Perfect start, 06. That's 14 out of 30... 16 more to go.</P>


just saw this question and Im running out the door....... Im pissed that I cant sit here and throw names out.......much rather sit here in the AC and do this than what im about to go do... awesome question Zimmy hopefully there will be a few left when i get back</P>


YA - did you ever hear of Cope or Burnett?</P>


There should be names still unguessed when you return.</P>


Among the 14 names ny06 gave us, there are all 3 of the players that gave 15 years. </P>


So sad... Tiki gave us 10 years and was our bestever RB. He should be one of our heroes. </P>


Putz!</P>

ny06
06-29-2011, 03:45 PM
The only player I can think of who gave us 15 seasons was Mel Hein.</P>


edit: Another player who had 10 or more seasons with the Giants is William Roberts. </P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0393/7464/108105_crop_340x234.jpg</P>

SEC105
06-29-2011, 04:31 PM
Who's this 10 year man? hint: he has funny radiocommercials promoting his car dealership these days</P>


http://www.giants.com/uploads/assets/news/07_0322_bba.jpg</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-29-2011, 04:38 PM
And the good lookinggentleman on the far right was a10 year man also [;)] 2others also already mentioned</P>


http://www.greenwichtime.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&amp;action=get&amp;id=1024532&amp;width= 628&amp;height=471</P>


Z</P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 08:34 PM
Who's this 10 year man? hint: he has funny radiocommercials promoting his car dealership these days</P>


http://www.giants.com/uploads/assets/news/07_0322_bba.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>


No one around today? I can't see the pic, but it has to be Brad Benson. </P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 08:38 PM
The only player I can think of who gave us 15 seasons was Mel Hein.</P>


edit: Another player who had 10 or more seasons with the Giants is William Roberts. </P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0393/7464/108105_crop_340x234.jpg</P>


</P>


that's 15 with Robets</P>


Hein is one of 3 15 year Giants</P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 08:39 PM
Who's this 10 year man? hint: he has funny radiocommercials promoting his car dealership these days</P>


http://www.giants.com/uploads/assets/news/07_0322_bba.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>


that's 16 with Brad</P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 08:41 PM
And the good lookinggentleman on the far right was a10 year man also [;)] 2others also already mentioned</P>


http://www.greenwichtime.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&amp;action=get&amp;id=1024532&amp;width= 628&amp;height=471</P>


Z</P>


</P>


that's 17 with that handsome devil, Giff.</P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 08:43 PM
And the good lookinggentleman on the far right was a10 year man also [;)] 2others also already mentioned</P>


http://www.greenwichtime.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&amp;action=get&amp;id=1024532&amp;width= 628&amp;height=471</P>


Z</P>


</P>


that's 17 with that handsome devil, Giff.</P>


</P>


counting Cope and Burnett, that's 19.</P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 08:45 PM
And the good lookinggentleman on the far right was a10 year man also [;)] 2others also already mentioned</P>


http://www.greenwichtime.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&amp;action=get&amp;id=1024532&amp;width= 628&amp;height=471</P>


Z</P>


</P>


that's 17 with that handsome devil, Giff.</P>


</P>


counting Cope and Burnett, that's 19.</P>


</P>


I counted wrong... we have 19 named and I have 16 more names.</P>

jomo
06-29-2011, 09:48 PM
And the good lookinggentleman on the far right was a10 year man also [;)] 2others also already mentioned</P>


http://www.greenwichtime.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&amp;action=get&amp;id=1024532&amp;width= 628&amp;height=471</P>


Z</P>


</P>


that's 17 with that handsome devil, Giff.</P>


</P>


counting Cope and Burnett, that's 19.</P>


</P>


I counted wrong... we have 19 named and I have 16 more names.</P>Zim, I'm thinking Greg Larson has to be one of them.

jomo
06-29-2011, 09:50 PM
And the good lookinggentleman on the far right was a10 year man also [;)] 2others also already mentioned</P>


http://www.greenwichtime.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&amp;action=get&amp;id=1024532&amp;width= 628&amp;height=471</P>


Z</P>


</P>


that's 17 with that handsome devil, Giff.</P>


</P>


counting Cope and Burnett, that's 19.</P>


</P>


I counted wrong... we have 19 named and I have 16 more names.</P>Zim, I'm thinking Greg Larson has to be one of them.I'm adding Darrel Dess to the list as well.

zimonami
06-29-2011, 10:13 PM
And the good lookinggentleman on the far right was a10 year man also [;)] 2others also already mentioned</P>


http://www.greenwichtime.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&amp;action=get&amp;id=1024532&amp;width= 628&amp;height=471</P>


Z</P>


</P>


that's 17 with that handsome devil, Giff.</P>


</P>


counting Cope and Burnett, that's 19.</P>


</P>


I counted wrong... we have 19 named and I have 16 more names.</P>


Zim, I'm thinking Greg Larson has to be one of them.I'm adding Darrel Dess to the list as well.</P>


Good job, jomo... Larson and Dess... Bingo and Bingo. 21 down... 14 to go.</P>

ny06
06-29-2011, 10:27 PM
Another player to the list</P>


Leonard Marshall</P>

jomo
06-29-2011, 10:55 PM
Did anyone get Brad Van Pelt?</P>


I think he gave us 11 great years.</P>

jomo
06-29-2011, 11:01 PM
Did anyone get Brad Van Pelt?</P>


I think he gave us 11 great years.</P>........and Jim Katcavage too. I'm on a roll!

zimonami
06-29-2011, 11:04 PM
NY06 with marshall</P>


Jomo with Van Pelt and Katcavage</P>


</P>


Good job</P>


</P>


24 down... 11 to go.</P>


</P>

jomo
06-29-2011, 11:22 PM
Alright Zim, these may have been mentioned alreadbut how about Joe Morrison and Alex Webster?

jomo
06-29-2011, 11:32 PM
Alright Zim, these may have been mentioned alreadbut how about Joe Morrison and Alex Webster?........and Carl Spider Lockhart [:D] brings a smile to my face!

zimonami
06-29-2011, 11:47 PM
So far:</P>


Dale Burnett, '30 - '39;Mel Hein, '31 - '45;Frank Cope, '38 - '47;Emlen Tunnell, '48 - '58; Frank Gifford, '52 - '64;RosieBrown, '53 - '65;Jack Stroud, '53 - '64;Jim Patton, '55 - '66;Jim Katcavage, '56 - '68; Darryl Dess, '59-'64, '66-'69;GregLarson, '61 - '73;VanPelt, '73 - '83; Brian Kelley, '73-'83;George Martin, '75 - '88;Harry Carson, '76 - '88;Brad Benson, '77 - '87;Phil Simms, '79 - '93;Lawrence Taylor, '81 - '93;Leonard Marshall, '83 - '92Wm. Roberts, '84 - '94;Michael Strahan, '93 - '07; Amani Toomer,'96 - '08;Tiki Barber, '97 -06; .</P>

jomo
06-29-2011, 11:51 PM
Alright Zim, these may have been mentioned alreadbut how about Joe Morrison and Alex Webster?........and Carl Spider Lockhart [:D] brings a smile to my face!??

jomo
06-29-2011, 11:51 PM
Alright Zim, these may have been mentioned alreadbut how about Joe Morrison and Alex Webster???

zimonami
06-29-2011, 11:54 PM
Alright Zim, these may have been mentioned alreadbut how about Joe Morrison and Alex Webster???</P>


Missed that... 2 more....WTG</P>


also missed seeing Spider... Bingo</P>


</P>

zimonami
06-29-2011, 11:59 PM
So far:</P>


Dale Burnett, '30 - '39;Mel Hein, '31 - '45;Frank Cope, '38 - '47;Emlen Tunnell, '48 - '58; Frank Gifford, '52 - '64;RosieBrown, '53 - '65;Jack Stroud, '53 - '64;Jim Patton, '55 - '66;Alex Webster, '55 - '64; Jim Katcavage, '56 - '68; Joe Morrison, '59 - '72; Darryl Dess, '59-'64, '66-'69;GregLarson, '61 - '73;Spider Lockhart, '65 - '75; VanPelt, '73 - '83; Brian Kelley, '73-'83;George Martin, '75 - '88;Harry Carson, '76 - '88;Brad Benson, '77 - '87;Phil Simms, '79 - '93;Lawrence Taylor, '81 - '93;Leonard Marshall, '83 - '92Wm. Roberts, '84 - '94;Michael Strahan, '93 - '07; Amani Toomer,'96 - '08;Tiki Barber, '97 -06; </P>


</P>


9 more</P>


.</P>

jomo
06-29-2011, 11:59 PM
..........and Spider makes 3!

jomo
06-30-2011, 12:01 AM
..........and Spider makes 3!Whoops you got him, sorry.

zimonami
06-30-2011, 12:26 AM
..........and Spider makes 3!Whoops you got him, sorry.</P>


dang, jomo, you were wingin' them out there so fast I couldn't keep up... lol. Spider was the last edition... good job.</P>


9 more</P>

jomo
06-30-2011, 12:51 AM
..........and Spider makes 3!Whoops you got him, sorry.</P>


dang, jomo, you were wingin' them out there so fast I couldn't keep up... lol. Spider was the last edition... good job.</P>


9 more</P>I'm exhausted from this one but we'll fini**** off before the 4th Zim.

zimonami
06-30-2011, 01:59 PM
Clues to the remaining 10 - 10 year Giants not yet named... years they played:</P>


1948-1961</P>


1951-1961</P>


1953-1962</P>


1966-1975</P>


1968 - 1979</P>


1974-1984</P>


1984-1993</P>


1989-1999</P>


1989-2001</P>


1992-2002</P>


</P>


</P>

ny06
06-30-2011, 03:35 PM
Clues to the remaining 10 - 10 year Giants not yet named... years they played:</P>


1948-1961</P>


1951-1961</P>


1953-1962</P>


1966-1975</P>


1968 - 1979</P>


1974-1984</P>


1984-1993</P>


<FONT color=#000000>1989-1999</FONT></P>


1989-2001</P>


1992-2002</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


Adding to the list.</P>


Brian Williams</P>


Howard Cross ( don't know how I forgot him)</P>


Did anyone say Charlie Conerly?</P>


Perry Williams</P>


</P>


</P>

SEC105
06-30-2011, 04:56 PM
How about Doug Van Horn also....</P>


http://shop.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/new-york-giants-doug-van-horn-143-topps-1975-nfl-american-football-trading-card-22201-p.jpg</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-30-2011, 05:00 PM
Alright Zim, these may have been mentioned alreadbut how about Joe Morrison and Alex Webster?........and Carl Spider Lockhart [:D] brings a smile to my face!</P>


Nice call on Spider Jomo.......sure does bring a smile to GMen Fans Faces</P>


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2795248312_c0c8dc8199.jpg</P>


Z</P>

SEC105
06-30-2011, 05:06 PM
Who's this 10 year man? hint: he has funny radiocommercials promoting his car dealership these days</P>


http://www.giants.com/uploads/assets/news/07_0322_bba.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>


No one around today? I can't see the pic, but it has to be Brad Benson. </P>


</P>


Looks like my pic of Brad Benson was grabbed back into cyberspacelol.....here's another at his dealership....and those commercials , although not politically correct, are quite humorous</P>


http://www.vetternjelectrician.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/hillsborough-brad.jpg</P>


Z</P>


</P>

jomo
06-30-2011, 11:03 PM
Did we miss Kyle Rote Zim? How could we do that?

jomo
06-30-2011, 11:14 PM
Did we miss Kyle Rote Zim? How could we do that?..........and Dave Jennings. How could we do that?

zimonami
07-01-2011, 12:53 AM
I'm back and you guys are filling in the blanks very nicely... 06 got Brian Williams, Howard Cross, Charlie Conerly, and Perry Williams</P>


SEC got Doug Van Horn</P>


jomo got Kyle Rote and Dave Jennings.</P>


</P>


there are 3 left... '53 - '62; '55 - '64; '66-'75</P>

YATittle1962
07-01-2011, 01:36 AM
I'm back and you guys are filling in the blanks very nicely... 06 got Brian Williams, Howard Cross, Charlie Conerly, and Perry Williams</P>


SEC got Doug Van Horn</P>


jomo got Kyle Rote and Dave Jennings.</P>


*</P>


there are 3 left...* '53 - '62; '55 - '64; '66-'75</P>

has Big Red been named?


EDIT: nevermind

leave it to me to be late to the hoedown

YATittle1962
07-01-2011, 01:42 AM
Willie Young?

zimonami
07-01-2011, 02:30 AM
Willie Young?</P>


</P>


WTG, YA... I knew you'd be back with an old name.</P>


I got some dates wrong... there are 2 Giants left:</P>


'53 - '62 and '92 - '02... I'm surprised no one got '92 - '02</P>

Roswell777
07-01-2011, 06:39 AM
Sorry I am late to the party but you guys are all forgetting the Hammer.

zimonami
07-01-2011, 10:47 AM
Sorry I am late to the party but you guys are all forgetting the Hammer.</P>


WTG, Ros... I was wondering how everyone forgot old Keith.</P>


</P>


That leaves One (1).</P>


I think only an old timer will have a chance. I know I wouldn't ever get him. I'll post his name later today iof no one guesses... but, that was good work to get all but one, with very few mistakes or repeats. His first name initial is 'R'.</P>


</P>


:)</P>

YATittle1962
07-01-2011, 10:58 AM
Sorry I am late to the party but you guys are all forgetting the Hammer.</P>


WTG, Ros... I was wondering how everyone forgot old Keith.</P>


*</P>


That leaves One (1).</P>


I think only an old timer will have a chance.* I know I wouldn't ever get him.* I'll post his name later today iof no one guesses... but, that was good work to get all but one, with very few mistakes or repeats.* His first name initial is 'R'.</P>


*</P>


:)</P>

Im literally racking my brain to the point where my wife just told me a whole story about something that happened yesterday and I didnt hear a word of it......

when she asked me if I heard anything she just said ....... ..................I had nothing

but after 36 years of marriage .....thats pretty common :)

rbcarpenter
07-01-2011, 11:09 AM
Sorry I am late to the party but you guys are all forgetting the Hammer.</P>


WTG, Ros... I was wondering how everyone forgot old Keith.</P>


</P>


That leaves One (1).</P>


I think only an old timer will have a chance. I know I wouldn't ever get him. I'll post his name later today iof no one guesses... but, that was good work to get all but one, with very few mistakes or repeats. His first name initial is 'R'.</P>


</P>


:)</P>ray flaherty?or is it poole?i think there was one of a set of brothers by one of those names that played for 10 years or so,but i could be wrong.

zimonami
07-01-2011, 11:57 AM
Sorry I am late to the party but you guys are all forgetting the Hammer.</P>


WTG, Ros... I was wondering how everyone forgot old Keith.</P>


</P>


That leaves One (1).</P>


I think only an old timer will have a chance. I know I wouldn't ever get him. I'll post his name later today iof no one guesses... but, that was good work to get all but one, with very few mistakes or repeats. His first name initial is 'R'.</P>


</P>


:)</P>


Im literally racking my brain to the point where my wife just told me a whole story about something that happened yesterday and I didnt hear a word of it...... when she asked me if I heard anything she just said ....... ..................I had nothing but after 36 years of marriage .....thats pretty common :)</P>


lmao... it wasn't the first, and won't be the last.. but you lost a point there, YA. Somehow she'll get even... it will be subtle, but you'll pay...hahahaha</P>

zimonami
07-01-2011, 11:58 AM
Sorry I am late to the party but you guys are all forgetting the Hammer.</P>


WTG, Ros... I was wondering how everyone forgot old Keith.</P>


</P>


That leaves One (1).</P>


I think only an old timer will have a chance. I know I wouldn't ever get him. I'll post his name later today iof no one guesses... but, that was good work to get all but one, with very few mistakes or repeats. His first name initial is 'R'.</P>


</P>


:)</P>


ray flaherty?or is it poole?i think there was one of a set of brothers by one of those names that played for 10 years or so,but i could be wrong.</P>


Not Flaherty.</P>


'52-'63, and he played Offensive Line... I can't give you more.</P>

ny06
07-01-2011, 01:30 PM
There are 32 Giants who served us for 10 or more years. How many can you name?</P>


I'll start us off with two (2) that I don't think anyone would have gotten... let me know if I'm wrong.</P>


Dale Burnett, 1930-1939. Went to Kansas Teacher's College. Weren't they in the Tidy Bowl and the top 25 last year? Dale was the first one to play 10 years for us.</P>


Frank Cope, 1938-1947 (wonder how he avoided being in WWII?)</P>


</P>


Ok, 30 more...And, whoare the 3 who played 15 seasons?</P>


</P>


LT, Harry Carson, George Martin, Roosevelt Brown, Tiki, Toomer, Strahan,Mel Hein, Emlen Tunnell, Jack Stroud, <FONT color=#0000ff>Keith Hamilton</FONT>, Simms, Brian Kelley, Jimmy Patton.</P>


That's all I can think ofoff the top of my head. </P>


</P>


I mentioned Keith Hamilton already </P>

zimonami
07-01-2011, 02:09 PM
There are 32 Giants who served us for 10 or more years. How many can you name?</P>


I'll start us off with two (2) that I don't think anyone would have gotten... let me know if I'm wrong.</P>


Dale Burnett, 1930-1939. Went to Kansas Teacher's College. Weren't they in the Tidy Bowl and the top 25 last year? Dale was the first one to play 10 years for us.</P>


Frank Cope, 1938-1947 (wonder how he avoided being in WWII?)</P>


</P>


Ok, 30 more...And, whoare the 3 who played 15 seasons?</P>


</P>


LT, Harry Carson, George Martin, Roosevelt Brown, Tiki, Toomer, Strahan,Mel Hein, Emlen Tunnell, Jack Stroud, <FONT color=#0000ff>Keith Hamilton</FONT>, Simms, Brian Kelley, Jimmy Patton.</P>


That's all I can think ofoff the top of my head. </P>


</P>


I mentioned Keith Hamilton already </P>


</P>


My bad, 06... I forgot to cross him off the list when you gave these names. That was way back at the beginning, and all this time I was very surprised no one mentioned the Hammer.</P>


:)</P>

jomo
07-01-2011, 03:18 PM
Has Ray Wietecha been called?

zimonami
07-01-2011, 04:21 PM
Has Ray Wietecha been called?</P>


The confetti falls on jomo. </P>


Good job peeps.</P>

zimonami
07-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Dale Burnett, '30 - '39;Mel Hein, '31 - '45;Frank Cope, '38 - '47;</P>


Emlen Tunnell, '48 - '58;Charlie Conerly, '48 - '61; </P>


Kyle Rote, '51 - '64;Frank Gifford, '52 - '64;RosieBrown, '53 - '65;Jack Stroud, '53 -'64';Ray Wietecha, '53 - '62;Jim Patton, '55 - '66;Alex Webster, '55 - '64;Jim Katcavage, '56 - '68; Joe Morrison, '59 - '72;Darryl Dess, '59-'64, '66 - '69;</P>


GregLarson, '61 - '73;Carl 'Spider' Lockhart, '65 - '75;Willie Young, '66 - '75; Doug VanHorn, '68 - '79; </P>


Brad VanPelt, '73 - '83;Brian Kelley, '73-'83;Dave Jennings, '74 - '84;George Martin, '75 -'88; Harry Carson, 76 - '88;Brad Benson, '77 - '87;Phil Simms, '79 - '93;</P>


Lawrence Taylor, '81 - '93;Leonard Marshall, '83 - '92;Wm. Roberts, '84 - '94; Perry Williams, '84 - '93; Brian Williams, '89 - '99; Howard Cross, '89 - '01; </P>


Keith Hamilton, '92 - '03;Michael Strahan, '93 - '07;Amani Toomer,'96 - '08; Tiki Barber, '97 -06; </P>


36 all together</P>


</P>