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rbcarpenter
07-20-2009, 11:54 AM
off the top of my head,i would say tony galbraith,but i could be wrong.

YATittle1962
07-20-2009, 02:44 PM
In the 80s who did the Giants get at RB that had led the NFL in receptions?


yeah might be Tony......not sure if he ever led the NFL in receptions though...

I know while on the Saints he was a primary receiver out of the backfield.....caught a hell of a lot of balls......caught over 70 one year I think.....

so yeah Ill agree with rbc and go with Tony Galbreath...

jints10
07-20-2009, 09:10 PM
In the 80s who did the Giants get at RB that had led the NFL in receptions?


yeah might be Tony......not sure if he ever led the NFL in receptions though...

I know while on the Saints he was a primary receiver out of the backfield.....caught a hell of a lot of balls......caught over 70 one year I think.....

so yeah Ill agree with rbc and go with Tony Galbreath...

Yea YA Tony G is the guy and I thought he led the league as a RB at receptions at the time and I'm talking ALL time. I have been known to be wrong though.

YATittle1962
07-21-2009, 12:12 AM
what 1994 3rd round draft pick wore # 34 in 1994....... left the team for the'95 season.......then returned to the team in '96 and wore # 45?

jints10
07-21-2009, 12:56 AM
what 1994 3rd round draft pick wore # 34 in 1994....... left the team for the'95 season.......then returned to the team in '96 and wore # 45?

was that louis tillman YA?

YATittle1962
07-21-2009, 01:00 AM
what 1994 3rd round draft pick wore # 34 in 1994....... left the team for the'95 season.......then returned to the team in '96 and wore # 45?

was that louis tillman YA?


wasnt Tillman

jints10
07-21-2009, 01:14 AM
what 1994 3rd round draft pick wore # 34 in 1994....... left the team for the'95 season.......then returned to the team in '96 and wore # 45?

was that louis tillman YA?


wasnt Tillman

Was it Gary "US" Downs

rbcarpenter
07-21-2009, 11:04 AM
gary downs of north carolina state

YATittle1962
07-21-2009, 09:53 PM
what 1994 3rd round draft pick wore # 34 in 1994....... left the team for the'95 season.......then returned to the team in '96 and wore # 45?

was that louis tillman YA?


wasnt Tillman

Was it Gary "US" Downs


yup Gary Downs....he never did much of anything in the NFL....



in the final season of the Handley era the Giants were shut out by the Cardinals 19-0....

how many yards.....TDs...and INTs......did Graham and Brown have combined in that game?

see how close you can get

zimonami
07-22-2009, 01:00 AM
yup Gary Downs....he never did much of anything in the NFL....



in the final season of the Handley era the Giants were shut out by the Cardinals 19-0....

how many yards.....TDs...and INTs......did Graham and Brown have combined in that game?

see how close you can get
</P>


I try to forget games like this, and season's like '92. I'll always believe we had decent players, and the coaching was the problem. Rodney got his 1,000+... about the only bright side to the season</P>


OK, I'll guess Graham was 10 for 25 with an INT and about 70 yds. Brown? He didn't play much this year, and I don't remember him in this game. I'll say he was 4 for 10 and 1 INT and about 35 yards.</P>

rbcarpenter
07-22-2009, 01:05 AM
9 of25 with 2 picks,69 yards....remember it so vividly because even though my dad would yell at the tv[as would i,even though they never listened]it was the first time he actually THREW something at it.my mother nearly kicked his *** to the moon!

YATittle1962
07-22-2009, 03:55 PM
9 of25 with 2 picks,69 yards....remember it so vividly because even though my dad would yell at the tv[as would i,even though they never listened]it was the first time he actually THREW something at it.my mother nearly kicked his *** to the moon!

Graham was 7 of 21 for 54 yds and 2 picks

Brown - 2 of 4 for 15 yds

thats a pitiful day huh boys?



how many fumble recoveries did Harry Carson have in his career?

....and where does he stand in Giants History of fumble recoveries?

zimonami
07-22-2009, 04:05 PM
9 of25 with 2 picks,69 yards....remember it so vividly because even though my dad would yell at the tv[as would i,even though they never listened]it was the first time he actually THREW something at it.my mother nearly kicked his *** to the moon!

Graham was 7 of 21 for 54 yds and 2 picks

Brown - 2 of 4 for 15 yds

thats a pitiful day huh boys?



how many fumble recoveries did Harry Carson have in his career?

....and where does he stand in Giants History of fumble recoveries?
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Harry played with us for 13 years. I'll guess he averaged 1 fumble recovery per year = 13 total.</P>


I haven't a clue where he'd stack up on all-time players, but if he had 13 that has to be up there. I'll say he ranks first.</P>

YATittle1962
07-22-2009, 04:13 PM
9 of25 with 2 picks,69 yards....remember it so vividly because even though my dad would yell at the tv[as would i,even though they never listened]it was the first time he actually THREW something at it.my mother nearly kicked his *** to the moon!

Graham was 7 of 21 for 54 yds and 2 picks

Brown - 2 of 4 for 15 yds

thats a pitiful day huh boys?



how many fumble recoveries did Harry Carson have in his career?

....and where does he stand in Giants History of fumble recoveries?
</p>


Harry played with us for 13 years. I'll guess he averaged 1 fumble recovery per year = 13 total.</p>


I haven't a clue where he'd stack up on all-time players, but if he had 13 that has to be up there. I'll say he ranks first.</p>

Zimmy your guesses are better than me looking up answers......hahahaha

i can never find the answers......im terrible with that stuff....

....anyway...im going off memory here so maybe someone can look this up and correct me if im wrong.....

I think harry has 14 recoveries and im pretty sure that is 3rd Giants all time......




sticking with Ole Harry....

in 1976 he put up his best day statistically......

who was it against ?........and what were his stats that day.....?

gotta love Carson

rbcarpenter
07-22-2009, 05:19 PM
i remember an article in football digest about carson's day that season,and they compared him head to head with jack lambert of the steelers,most experts picking HC as the better linebacker.they mention a game that season in which he had something insane,like 24 or 25 tackles,with either 6 or 7 for losses,but for the life of me,i can't remember who they were playing!

zimonami
07-23-2009, 12:59 AM
Zimmy your guesses are better than me looking up answers......hahahaha

i can never find the answers......im terrible with that stuff....

....anyway...im going off memory here so maybe someone can look this up and correct me if im wrong.....

I think harry has 14 recoveries and im pretty sure that is 3rd Giants all time......




sticking with Ole Harry....

in 1976 he put up his best day statistically......

who was it against ?........and what were his stats that day.....?

gotta love Carson


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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/career-defense.htm</P>


This info (fumble recoveries) was hard to find. I included the link as it has all-time Giant's records, which you might like. It has Offensive player's fumbles, and defender recoveries</P>


OK, running through all the Giants, here are the fumble recoveries:</P>


Katcavage - 19; Spider - 16; Tunnell, Strahan, Martin and Patton - 15; Carson, Hammer and Reece - 14.</P>

YATittle1962
07-23-2009, 05:17 PM
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Zimmy your guesses are better than me looking up answers......hahahaha

i can never find the answers......im terrible with that stuff....

....anyway...im going off memory here so maybe someone can look this up and correct me if im wrong.....

I think harry has 14 recoveries and im pretty sure that is 3rd Giants all time......




sticking with Ole Harry....

in 1976 he put up his best day statistically......

who was it against ?........and what were his stats that day.....?

gotta love Carson


</P>


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/career-defense.htm</P>


This info (fumble recoveries) was hard to find. I included the link as it has all-time Giant's records, which you might like. It has Offensive player's fumbles, and defender recoveries</P>


OK, running through all the Giants, here are the fumble recoveries:</P>


Katcavage - 19; Spider - 16; Tunnell, Strahan, Martin and Patton - 15; Carson, Hammer and Reece - 14.</P>

i typed 76 when I meant 82..........Im really batting 1000 lately....

in 1982 against the Packers Harry had 20 solo tackles and assisted on at least 5 more......

this should be right......my memory is slipping lately so....you never know...hahaha

jints10
07-23-2009, 05:36 PM
Who did the Giants trade to get Tony Galbreath?

Also I made a mistake, in 1978 Tony Galbreath was second in the NFC in catches who was first?

GreggChef123
07-23-2009, 05:48 PM
Natron Means

YATittle1962
07-23-2009, 08:59 PM
Who did the Giants trade to get Tony Galbreath?

Also I made a mistake, in 1978 Tony Galbreath was second in the NFC in catches who was first?


wasnt it Van Pelt for Galbreath?....never agreed with parting from Van Pelt

and I have no idea who led the league in receptions....ill take a stab though.......Ill say Lynn Swann

jints10
07-23-2009, 09:03 PM
Who did the Giants trade to get Tony Galbreath?

Also I made a mistake, in 1978 Tony Galbreath was second in the NFC in catches who was first?


wasnt it Van Pelt for Galbreath?....never agreed with parting from Van Pelt

and I have no idea who led the league in receptions....ill take a stab though.......Ill say Lynn Swann

You are right with VanPelt YA but you have to reread the second part of my question. I wrote leader in the NFC, hint it was a Giant.

YATittle1962
07-23-2009, 09:15 PM
Who did the Giants trade to get Tony Galbreath?

Also I made a mistake, in 1978 Tony Galbreath was second in the NFC in catches who was first?


wasnt it Van Pelt for Galbreath?....never agreed with parting from Van Pelt

and I have no idea who led the league in receptions....ill take a stab though.......Ill say Lynn Swann

You are right with VanPelt YA but you have to reread the second part of my question. I wrote leader in the NFC, hint it was a Giant.


a Giant led the NFC in receptions in 1978?

that is so hard to believe.........are you sure?

I cant imagine who that would be......

I think the Giant leaders must have been Robinson or Perkins and I dont think either of them would be even close to leading anything....hahahaha

jints10
07-23-2009, 09:21 PM
Who did the Giants trade to get Tony Galbreath?

Also I made a mistake, in 1978 Tony Galbreath was second in the NFC in catches who was first?


wasnt it Van Pelt for Galbreath?....never agreed with parting from Van Pelt

and I have no idea who led the league in receptions....ill take a stab though.......Ill say Lynn Swann

You are right with VanPelt YA but you have to reread the second part of my question. I wrote leader in the NFC, hint it was a Giant.


a Giant led the NFC in receptions in 1978?

that is so hard to believe.........are you sure?

I cant imagine who that would be......

I think the Giant leaders must have been Robinson or Perkins and I dont think either of them would be even close to leading anything....hahahaha

Damn YA I messed that all up BRAIN FART! Sorry N/M
I was thinking Ernie Gray but he had 78 recp to lead the NFC in "83" My bad

rbcarpenter
07-23-2009, 09:26 PM
you guys are messing me up.haha.i'm getting all my seasons screwed up in my head.lol!!!

YATittle1962
07-23-2009, 09:34 PM
you guys are messing me up.haha.i'm getting all my seasons screwed up in my head.lol!!!

Im spinning...[:|]

jints10
07-23-2009, 09:46 PM
you guys are messing me up.haha.i'm getting all my seasons screwed up in my head.lol!!!

Im spinning...[:|]

again sorry guys just a dyslexic moment

YATittle1962
07-23-2009, 10:16 PM
you guys are messing me up.haha.i'm getting all my seasons screwed up in my head.lol!!!

Im spinning...[:|]

again sorry guys just a dyslexic moment


no worries brother.....if you look ...a couple questions ago....i typed 1976 instead of 1982.....

senior moment....[:P]

zimonami
07-23-2009, 10:48 PM
I love this thread. I just got on and missed all the fun. Where else can you claim a senior/dyslectic moment and everyone understands... "Been there... Done that."'</P>


Yeah, I remember Ernie Grey getting 78 receptions, but didn/t realize it led the NFC that year. Ernie was a fine athlete, but he broke my heart too many times with dropped passes and catches a yard shy of the sticks. </P>

zimonami
07-23-2009, 10:54 PM
OK, we found out yeaterday who the Giant's all-time fumble recovery leader was (Katcavage, 19)</P>


What Giant has made the most tackles for safeties?</P>

YATittle1962
07-23-2009, 10:54 PM
I love this thread. I just got on and missed all the fun. Where else can you claim a senior/dyslectic moment and everyone understands... "Been there... Done that."'</p>


Yeah, I remember Ernie Grey getting 78 receptions, but didn/t realize it led the NFC that year. Ernie was a fine athlete, but he broke my heart too many times with dropped passes and catches a yard shy of the sticks. </p>

hahahaha ...thats great Zim......

yeah Gray could have been something special on a better team....if he only stuck around a couple more seasons......

he would have needed to work on his hands to......I remember him too many times wide open and having the ball go right through his hands....

I liked him though...he wore the blue # 83 well

YATittle1962
07-24-2009, 08:30 PM
1970.......which I considered quite a good season.....

we had a killer come back against the Eagles at home

21 pts in the 4th quarter......

who scored those 3 TDs?

jints10
07-24-2009, 08:38 PM
1970.......which I considered quite a good season.....

we had a killer come back against the Eagles at home

21 pts in the 4th quarter......

who scored those 3 TDs?
Ron Johnson .

zimonami
07-24-2009, 10:00 PM
1970.......which I considered quite a good season..... we had a killer come back against the Eagles at home 21 pts in the 4th quarter...... who scored those 3 TDs?
Ron Johnson .


</P>


YA... a senior moment? lol... I think the Skins were the opponent.</P>


I think jints got it right with R.Johnson.</P>

zimonami
07-24-2009, 10:31 PM
OK, we found out yeaterday who the Giant's all-time fumble recovery leader was (Katcavage, 19)</P>


What Giant has made the most tackles for safeties?</P>


</P>


No guesses? C'mon guys... it is easier than you'd think.</P>

YATittle1962
07-24-2009, 11:50 PM
1970.......which I considered quite a good season..... we had a killer come back against the Eagles at home 21 pts in the 4th quarter...... who scored those 3 TDs?
Ron Johnson .


</p>


YA... a senior moment? lol... I think the Skins were the opponent.</p>


I think jints got it right with R.Johnson.</p>

wow Zim!!!!!.....Im having a lot of those lately......it absolutely was the Skins.....

and yes Ron Johnson was one.....there was another player as well....

YATittle1962
07-24-2009, 11:53 PM
OK, we found out yeaterday who the Giant's all-time fumble recovery leader was (Katcavage, 19)</p>


What Giant has made the most tackles for safeties?</p>


</p>


No guesses? C'mon guys... it is easier than you'd think.</p>

isnt it also Katcavage Zim?........I may be way off but I think I remember that for some reason....

if its not safeties......... he has the most fumble recoveries and something else....

zimonami
07-25-2009, 02:18 AM
OK, we found out yeaterday who the Giant's all-time fumble recovery leader was (Katcavage, 19)</P>


What Giant has made the most tackles for safeties?</P>


</P>


No guesses? C'mon guys... it is easier than you'd think.</P>




isnt it also Katcavage Zim?........I may be way off but I think I remember that for some reason....

if its not safeties......... he has the most fumble recoveries and something else....
</P>


good call, YA. Kat had 3. Doesn't seem like a lot, but teams really don't get that many safeties every season.</P>

rbcarpenter
07-25-2009, 02:24 AM
how about tucker fredrickson?

zimonami
07-25-2009, 02:28 AM
1970.......which I considered quite a good season..... we had a killer come back against the Eagles at home 21 pts in the 4th quarter...... who scored those 3 TDs?
Ron Johnson .


</P>


YA... a senior moment? lol... I think the Skins were the opponent.</P>


I think jints got it right with R.Johnson.</P>




wow Zim!!!!!.....Im having a lot of those lately......it absolutely was the Skins.....

and yes Ron Johnson was one.....there was another player as well....
</P>


Had to look it up... Tucker on a 57 yd, pass play from Fran. I'm surprised I didn't remember that one. I usually remember the big plays, especially in a nice win... plus, I was at the game.</P>

jints10
07-25-2009, 05:13 AM
George Martian

zimonami
07-25-2009, 11:18 AM
George Martian
</P>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</P>

YATittle1962
07-25-2009, 02:22 PM
George Martian
</p>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</p>

who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?

zimonami
07-25-2009, 02:56 PM
George Martian
</P>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</P>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</P>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</P>

YATittle1962
07-25-2009, 02:59 PM
George Martian
</p>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</p>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</p>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</p>

would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know

zimonami
07-25-2009, 03:22 PM
George Martian
</P>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</P>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</P>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</P>




would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know
</P>


Me neither. We'd have to go to the video tape.</P>

jints10
07-25-2009, 03:26 PM
George Martian
</p>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</p>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</p>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</p>




would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know
</p>


Me neither. We'd have to go to the video tape.</p>
No help from me guys somehow that game got deleated on my tivo before I could put it on DVD

YATittle1962
07-25-2009, 05:30 PM
George Martian
</p>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties.* Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1...* that's it.* Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</p>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</p>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</p>




would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know
</p>


Me neither. We'd have to go to the video tape.</p>
No help from me guys somehow that game got deleated on my tivo before I could put it on DVD


I have it in NFL replay...

Ill take a peek when I get home

YATittle1962
07-26-2009, 12:37 AM
in 1981 who had the most non offensive TDs on the team?








Z

zimonami
07-26-2009, 02:14 AM
in 1981 who had the most non offensive TDs on the team? Z</P>


Probably good old George Martin. I'll be back... I'm going to look up who has the most career defensive TD's for us. Probably a CB, but George has to be up there for D lineman scores</P>

zimonami
07-26-2009, 02:31 AM
D. Lynch (why do they always *** his name? Give me a break. There should be some way to discern D-i-c-k, the name,from calling someone a d-i-c-k) has 1 Fumble Return and 4 INT's for TD's. George Martin has 2 FR's and 3 INT's. Emlen is next with 4 INT TD's. </P>


Emlen has 6 more TD's from Punt and Kick returns. Lynch has 2 TD's listed as "Other", and Martin has 1. I think I remember (lol) George scoring on a fake punt or kick.</P>

Gmen2005
07-26-2009, 03:30 AM
George Martian
</p>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</p>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</p>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</p>

would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know

it was tuck, at the game he was in so much pain. they must have had 3 tv time outs for him. He was not prepared for 17 straight games

YATittle1962
07-26-2009, 12:57 PM
George Martian
</p>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties.* Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1...* that's it.* Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</p>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</p>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</p>

would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know

it was tuck, at the game he was in so much pain. they must have had 3 tv time outs for him. He was not prepared for 17 straight games


statistically noone was credited with the safety...

Donovans intentional grounding created the safety.

Tuck forced him to get rid of the ball but wasnt credited with the safety

zimonami
07-26-2009, 01:39 PM
George Martian
</P>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties. Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1... that's it. Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</P>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</P>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</P>




would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know

it was tuck, at the game he was in so much pain. they must have had 3 tv time outs for him. He was not prepared for 17 straight games
statistically noone was credited with the safety... Donovans intentional grounding created the safety. Tuck forced him to get rid of the ball but wasnt credited with the safety</P>


I found the same thing. Doesn't someone have to get credit for 2 pts? So, what they're saying is that McNabb got credit for -2 pts?</P>

YATittle1962
07-26-2009, 02:35 PM
George Martian
</P>


Yeah, jints, if I hadn't looked it up I would have picked Martin, too. In regular season George had Zero tackles for safeties.* Leonard Mrshall had 2 and several guys had 1...* that's it.* Of the current players, only Kiwanuka has 1.</P>




who got credit for the one in the Eagle playoff game last year?
</P>


Interesting... McNabb penalized for intentional grounding in the end zone, with no defender getting the credit for the safety. Usually they give it to the man closest to him when it occurred.</P>




would that be Tuck?

i honestly dont know

it was tuck, at the game he was in so much pain. they must have had 3 tv time outs for him. He was not prepared for 17 straight games
statistically noone was credited with the safety... Donovans intentional grounding created the safety. Tuck forced him to get rid of the ball but wasnt credited with the safety</P>


I found the same thing.* Doesn't someone have to get credit for 2 pts?* So, what they're saying is that McNabb got credit for -2 pts?</P>

exactly what I was thinking....

someone needs to be credited...

strange huh Zim?

YATittle1962
07-26-2009, 09:57 PM
in 1967...the great speedster Homer Jones was in the top 5 in the league in the following categories.......... top 2 in most of them.....

which 3 of these was he #1 in...?

receiving yards
receiving TDs
yards/ reception
receiving yards/game
touchdowns
rushing/receiving TDs
yards from scrimage
& points scored

lawl
07-26-2009, 10:53 PM
in 1967...the great speedster Homer Jones was in the top 5 in the league in the following categories.......... top 2 in most of them.....

which 3 of these was he #1 in...?

receiving yards
receiving TDs
yards/ reception
receiving yards/game
touchdowns
rushing/receiving TDs
yards from scrimage
&amp; points scored

im gonna guess based on him being top five in yards but not receptions and say he was number 1 in yards/reception

zimonami
07-26-2009, 10:56 PM
in 1967...the great speedster Homer Jones was in the top 5 in the league in the following categories.......... top 2 in most of them..... which 3 of these was he #1 in...? </P>


receiving yards </P>


receiving TDs </P>


yards/ reception </P>


receiving yards/game </P>


touchdowns </P>


rushing/receiving TDs </P>


yards from scrimage </P>


&amp; points scored</P>


I think Homer led the league in TD's in '67 (1) So, that would put him #1 in Receiving TD's (2)and Rushing/receiving TDs (3). If he was only tops in 3, then he didn't lead any of the other categories, but he was always high in Yds/reception... is probably #1 all-time for Giants there</P>

zimonami
07-26-2009, 11:55 PM
in 1967...the great speedster Homer Jones was in the top 5 in the league in the following categories.......... top 2 in most of them..... which 3 of these was he #1 in...? </P>


receiving yards </P>


receiving TDs </P>


yards/ reception </P>


receiving yards/game </P>


touchdowns </P>


rushing/receiving TDs </P>


yards from scrimage </P>


&amp; points scored</P>


I think Homer led the league in TD's in '67 (1) So, that would put him #1 in Receiving TD's (2)and Rushing/receiving TDs (3). If he was only tops in 3, then he didn't lead any of the other categories, but he was always high in Yds/reception... is probably #1 all-time for Giants there</P>


</P>


Yeah, Homer is #1 at 22.6 Y/R. Stephen Baker is #2, and Del Shofner is #3. A surprising stat... Baker and Shofner each had only 1 fumble in their careers... pretty danged good</P>

YATittle1962
07-27-2009, 09:41 PM
in 1967...the great speedster Homer Jones was in the top 5 in the league in the following categories.......... top 2 in most of them..... which 3 of these was he #1 in...? </p>


receiving yards </p>


receiving TDs </p>


yards/ reception </p>


receiving yards/game </p>


touchdowns </p>


rushing/receiving TDs </p>


yards from scrimage </p>


&amp; points scored</p>


I think Homer led the league in TD's in '67 (1) So, that would put him #1 in Receiving TD's (2)and Rushing/receiving TDs (3). If he was only tops in 3, then he didn't lead any of the other categories, but he was always high in Yds/reception... is probably #1 all-time for Giants there</p>


</p>


Yeah, Homer is #1 at 22.6 Y/R. Stephen Baker is #2, and Del Shofner is #3. A surprising stat... Baker and Shofner each had only 1 fumble in their careers... pretty danged good</p>

you are right on Zim.....

and that Baker / Shofner stat is nuts......

I never knew that

rbcarpenter
07-28-2009, 01:58 PM
in 1967...the great speedster Homer Jones was in the top 5 in the league in the following categories.......... top 2 in most of them..... which 3 of these was he #1 in...? </p>


receiving yards </p>


receiving TDs </p>


yards/ reception </p>


receiving yards/game </p>


touchdowns </p>


rushing/receiving TDs </p>


yards from scrimage </p>


& points scored</p>


I think Homer led the league in TD's in '67 (1)* So, that would put him #1 in Receiving TD's (2)*and Rushing/receiving TDs (3). If he was only tops in 3, then he didn't lead any of the other categories, but he was always high in Yds/reception... is probably #1 all-time for Giants there</p>


</p>


Yeah, Homer is #1 at 22.6 Y/R.* Stephen Baker is #2, and Del Shofner is #3.* A surprising stat... Baker and Shofner each had only 1 fumble in their careers... pretty danged good</p>

you are right on Zim.....

and that Baker / Shofner stat is nuts......

I never knew that
wow,neither did i,fellows.i kinda wish baker's career had been a little longer.enjoyed watching him play,gone too soon.

YATittle1962
07-28-2009, 02:14 PM
in 1967...the great speedster Homer Jones was in the top 5 in the league in the following categories.......... top 2 in most of them..... which 3 of these was he #1 in...? </p>


receiving yards </p>


receiving TDs </p>


yards/ reception </p>


receiving yards/game </p>


touchdowns </p>


rushing/receiving TDs </p>


yards from scrimage </p>


&amp; points scored</p>


I think Homer led the league in TD's in '67 (1) So, that would put him #1 in Receiving TD's (2)and Rushing/receiving TDs (3). If he was only tops in 3, then he didn't lead any of the other categories, but he was always high in Yds/reception... is probably #1 all-time for Giants there</p>


</p>


Yeah, Homer is #1 at 22.6 Y/R. Stephen Baker is #2, and Del Shofner is #3. A surprising stat... Baker and Shofner each had only 1 fumble in their careers... pretty danged good</p>

you are right on Zim.....

and that Baker / Shofner stat is nuts......

I never knew that
wow,neither did i,fellows.i kinda wish baker's career had been a little longer.enjoyed watching him play,gone too soon.



i agree....he and Ingram together made for some nice unsung Giant heroes.....

I took my grandson to the draft day event at Giants stadium......he met Stephen Baker and had his jersey signed by him......he signed his name and wrote 85.....

a few days ago he was wearing that jersey when I took him to an ice cream shop in my town.

a fellow Giant fan waiting in line with us noticed the scribbled name and the #85 on his jersey and said....oh wow you got that signed by David Tyree?....

the 11 year old replied.....no way dude Stephen Baker......

I thought that was great....I gave him a little hair tustle and said thats right my man...you tell him....

had to share that......we gotta keep the young blue bleeders aware of our history....

zimonami
07-28-2009, 02:37 PM
</P>


wow,neither did i,fellows.i kinda wish baker's career had been a little longer.enjoyed watching him play,gone too soon.



i agree....he and Ingram together made for some nice unsung Giant heroes.....

I took my grandson to the draft day event at Giants stadium......he met Stephen Baker and had his jersey signed by him......he signed his name and wrote 85.....

a few days ago he was wearing that jersey when I took him to an ice cream shop in my town.

a fellow Giant fan waiting in line with us noticed the scribbled name and the #85 on his jersey and said....oh wow you got that signed by David Tyree?....

the 11 year old replied.....no way dude Stephen Baker......

I thought that was great....I gave him a little hair tustle and said thats right my man...you tell him....

had to share that......we gotta keep the young blue bleeders aware of our history....
</P>


Nice story, YA. Have you taken him to any games yet? Introduced him to the Giant MB's? Just make sure he understands to be cautious and respectful on the boards, even if someone else is a jerk. There just seems to be no respect from the younger generations for our older folks these days. You'll remember, in some other posts recently, being labelled the "Old codger"? lol. I must say, YA, that your YA Tittle avatar gives most that impression from the get-go. Is there a Giant fan in the world under 50 who would even think of YA? At least I have Simms there... lol. He's got to be familiar to most true blue fans over 25.</P>


Be careful with thatBaker signedjersey, or the sig will fade away. I have a Giant cap signed by Harry Carson and wore it so often, and in the rain, that his sig is now indistinguishable. </P>

zimonami
07-28-2009, 02:38 PM
</P>


wow,neither did i,fellows.i kinda wish baker's career had been a little longer.enjoyed watching him play,gone too soon.



i agree....he and Ingram together made for some nice unsung Giant heroes.....

I took my grandson to the draft day event at Giants stadium......he met Stephen Baker and had his jersey signed by him......he signed his name and wrote 85.....

a few days ago he was wearing that jersey when I took him to an ice cream shop in my town.

a fellow Giant fan waiting in line with us noticed the scribbled name and the #85 on his jersey and said....oh wow you got that signed by David Tyree?....

the 11 year old replied.....no way dude Stephen Baker......

I thought that was great....I gave him a little hair tustle and said thats right my man...you tell him....

had to share that......we gotta keep the young blue bleeders aware of our history....
</P>


Nice story, YA. Have you taken him to any games yet? Introduced him to the Giant MB's? Just make sure he understands to be cautious and respectful on the boards, even if someone else is a jerk. There just seems to be no respect from the younger generations for our older folks these days. You'll remember, in some other posts recently, being labelled the "Old codger"? lol. I must say, YA, that your YA Tittle avatar gives most that impression from the get-go. Is there a Giant fan in the world under 50 who would even think of YA? At least I have Simms there... lol. He's got to be familiar to most true blue fans over 25.</P>


Be careful with thatBaker signedjersey, or the sig will fade away. I have a Giant cap signed by Harry Carson and wore it so often, and in the rain, that his sig is now indistinguishable. </P>


</P>


I messed up the quotes on that last post, YA. My stuff starts half-way down.</P>

YATittle1962
07-28-2009, 02:44 PM
</p>


wow,neither did i,fellows.i kinda wish baker's career had been a little longer.enjoyed watching him play,gone too soon.



i agree....he and Ingram together made for some nice unsung Giant heroes.....

I took my grandson to the draft day event at Giants stadium......he met Stephen Baker and had his jersey signed by him......he signed his name and wrote 85.....

a few days ago he was wearing that jersey when I took him to an ice cream shop in my town.

a fellow Giant fan waiting in line with us noticed the scribbled name and the #85 on his jersey and said....oh wow you got that signed by David Tyree?....

the 11 year old replied.....no way dude Stephen Baker......

I thought that was great....I gave him a little hair tustle and said thats right my man...you tell him....

had to share that......we gotta keep the young blue bleeders aware of our history....
</p>


Nice story, YA. Have you taken him to any games yet? Introduced him to the Giant MB's? Just make sure he understands to be cautious and respectful on the boards, even if someone else is a jerk. There just seems to be no respect from the younger generations for our older folks these days. You'll remember, in some other posts recently, being labelled the "Old codger"? lol. I must say, YA, that your YA Tittle avatar gives most that impression from the get-go. Is there a Giant fan in the world under 50 who would even think of YA? At least I have Simms there... lol. He's got to be familiar to most true blue fans over 25.</p>


Be careful with thatBaker signedjersey, or the sig will fade away. I have a Giant cap signed by Harry Carson and wore it so often, and in the rain, that his sig is now indistinguishable. </p>

yeah Zim ...i took him to the Seattle....San Fran ......and Carolina game last year......he is a true blue fan....as his father is as well....

his dad wants him to stay away from the MB for a few years....probably a good idea.......



what year did Stephen Bakers only fumble occur in?

signed
the old codger

zimonami
07-28-2009, 02:47 PM
Let's see how long it takes to get our career yardage RB's ranked in the correct order. Rank them:</P>


Ron Johnson; Tucker Fredrickson; Frank Gifford; Alex Webster; O.J. Anderson; Doug Kotar; Rob Carpenter; Tiki Barber; Joe Morrison; Eddie Price; Rodney Hampton; Tuffy Leemans; Joe Morris; </P>


Try to rank first them without looking them up. I know everyone will get #1 right, and maybe 2 and 3, but after that it's a bit challenging.</P>

zimonami
07-28-2009, 03:17 PM
yeah Zim ...i took him to the Seattle....San Fran ......and Carolina game last year......he is a true blue fan....as his father is as well....

his dad wants him to stay away from the MB for a few years....probably a good idea.......



what year did Stephen Bakers only fumble occur in?

signed
the old codger
</P>


Old Codger - I was thinking he should be 13-14 before using the boards. I'm sure we have some 13 year olds. They give their age away by causing, or being sucked into stupid name calling. </P>


OK, Stephen Baker: hisrookie year, '87, he had his lone fumble, on only 15 receptions for the year. I'd have to go back game by game to see which game it was in.</P>


From '88 - '92 he had 126 receptions without a fumble.</P>

YATittle1962
07-28-2009, 10:47 PM
Let's see how long it takes to get our career yardage RB's ranked in the correct order.* Rank them:</P>


Ron Johnson; Tucker Fredrickson; Frank Gifford; Alex Webster; O.J. Anderson; Doug Kotar; Rob Carpenter; Tiki Barber; Joe Morrison; Eddie Price;* Rodney Hampton; Tuffy Leemans; Joe Morris; </P>


Try to rank first them without looking them up.* I know everyone will get #1 right, and maybe 2 and 3, but after that it's a bit challenging.</P>

Zimmy this is the best question we have had in quite a while....

when you first put it up I was thinking it over while looking at the names...then poof.....my computer crapped the bed on me.....just turned off....

I brought it to a buddy of mine who is fixing it for me....

so I knew my son would stop by tonight with his laptop....and he finally just did...

so im on his mac right now.....its very foreign to..hahaha

ok back to the question......I have had some time obviously to mull it over...and here is what I came up with off the top of my head.......

after 3 or 4 it gets very hard....ill do my best


1. Tiki Barber
2. OJ Anderson
3. Rodney Hampton
4. Joe Morris
5. Alex Webster
6. Frank Gifford
7. Ron Johnson
8. Rob Carpenter
9. Tuffy Leemans
10. Doug Kotar
11. Eddie Price
12. Joe Morrison
13. Tucker Frederickson

this was super hard and Im probably way off on most of them...

the middle ones were the hardest....

I know Frederickson doesnt have many yards...and Joe Morrison was mostly short yardage..and a lot of times catching passes in the flat...

curious to see how close I got ..and how close maybe...jints...rbc...or ros...maybe even keyofgmen could get....

zimonami
07-28-2009, 11:52 PM
Let's see how long it takes to get our career yardage RB's ranked in the correct order. Rank them:</P>


Ron Johnson; Tucker Fredrickson; Frank Gifford; Alex Webster; O.J. Anderson; Doug Kotar; Rob Carpenter; Tiki Barber; Joe Morrison; Eddie Price; Rodney Hampton; Tuffy Leemans; Joe Morris; </P>


Try to rank first them without looking them up. I know everyone will get #1 right, and maybe 2 and 3, but after that it's a bit challenging.</P>


Zimmy this is the best question we have had in quite a while.... when you first put it up I was thinking it over while looking at the names...then poof.....my computer crapped the bed on me.....just turned off.... I brought it to a buddy of mine who is fixing it for me.... so I knew my son would stop by tonight with his laptop....and he finally just did... so im on his mac right now.....its very foreign to..hahaha ok back to the question......I have had some time obviously to mull it over...and here is what I came up with off the top of my head....... after 3 or 4 it gets very hard....ill do my best 1. Tiki Barber 2. OJ Anderson 3. Rodney Hampton 4. Joe Morris 5. Alex Webster 6. Frank Gifford 7. Ron Johnson 8. Rob Carpenter 9. Tuffy Leemans 10. Doug Kotar 11. Eddie Price 12. Joe Morrison 13. Tucker Frederickson this was super hard and Im probably way off on most of them... the middle ones were the hardest.... I know Frederickson doesnt have many yards...and Joe Morrison was mostly short yardage..and a lot of times catching passes in the flat... curious to see how close I got ..and how close maybe...jints...rbc...or ros...maybe even keyofgmen could get....</P>


Geez, YA. I'd like to let you know, but don't want to ruin it if any of the other guys want to take a stab at it. Go to: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/career-rushing.htm and you'll see the answers and where you're off... but, in general, you did OK. Actually, I think your answers were pretty close to what I would have chosen, with the exception of OJ. I would have put OJ after Johnson and before Carpenter.</P>


If no one else gives it a shot I'll post the order tomorrow.</P>

rbcarpenter
07-29-2009, 05:08 AM
Let's see how long it takes to get our career yardage RB's ranked in the correct order.* Rank them:</P>


Ron Johnson; Tucker Fredrickson; Frank Gifford; Alex Webster; O.J. Anderson; Doug Kotar; Rob Carpenter; Tiki Barber; Joe Morrison; Eddie Price;* Rodney Hampton; Tuffy Leemans; Joe Morris; </P>


Try to rank first them without looking them up.* I know everyone will get #1 right, and maybe 2 and 3, but after that it's a bit challenging.</P>


Zimmy this is the best question we have had in quite a while.... when you first put it up I was thinking it over while looking at the names...then poof.....my computer crapped the bed on me.....just turned off.... I brought it to a buddy of mine who is fixing it for me.... so I knew my son would stop by tonight with his laptop....and he finally just did... so im on his mac right now.....its very foreign to..hahaha ok back to the question......I have had some time obviously to mull it over...and here is what I came up with off the top of my head....... after 3 or 4 it gets very hard....ill do my best 1. Tiki Barber 2. OJ Anderson 3. Rodney Hampton 4. Joe Morris 5. Alex Webster 6. Frank Gifford 7. Ron Johnson 8. Rob Carpenter 9. Tuffy Leemans 10. Doug Kotar 11. Eddie Price 12. Joe Morrison 13. Tucker Frederickson this was super hard and Im probably way off on most of them... the middle ones were the hardest.... I know Frederickson doesnt have many yards...and Joe Morrison was mostly short yardage..and a lot of times catching passes in the flat... curious to see how close I got ..and how close maybe...jints...rbc...or ros...maybe even keyofgmen could get....</P>


Geez, YA. I'd like to let you know, but don't want to ruin it if any of the other guys want to take a stab at it. Go to:* http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/career-rushing.htm* and you'll see the answers and where you're off... but, in general, you did OK. Actually, I think your answers were pretty close to what I would have chosen, with the exception of OJ.* I would have put OJ after Johnson and before Carpenter.</P>


If no one else gives it a shot I'll post the order tomorrow.</P>wow,i never would have guessed that tiki is 10th overall in yrd from scrimmage AND 10th in all purpose yrds for a career!

BigBlue1971
07-29-2009, 09:44 AM
Let's see how long it takes to get our career yardage RB's ranked in the correct order. Rank them:</P>


Ron Johnson; Tucker Fredrickson; Frank Gifford; Alex Webster; O.J. Anderson; Doug Kotar; Rob Carpenter; Tiki Barber; Joe Morrison; Eddie Price; Rodney Hampton; Tuffy Leemans; Joe Morris; </P>


Try to rank first them without looking them up. I know everyone will get #1 right, and maybe 2 and 3, but after that it's a bit challenging.</P>


Zimmy this is the best question we have had in quite a while.... when you first put it up I was thinking it over while looking at the names...then poof.....my computer crapped the bed on me.....just turned off.... I brought it to a buddy of mine who is fixing it for me.... so I knew my son would stop by tonight with his laptop....and he finally just did... so im on his mac right now.....its very foreign to..hahaha ok back to the question......I have had some time obviously to mull it over...and here is what I came up with off the top of my head....... after 3 or 4 it gets very hard....ill do my best 1. Tiki Barber 2. OJ Anderson 3. Rodney Hampton 4. Joe Morris 5. Alex Webster 6. Frank Gifford 7. Ron Johnson 8. Rob Carpenter 9. Tuffy Leemans 10. Doug Kotar 11. Eddie Price 12. Joe Morrison 13. Tucker Frederickson this was super hard and Im probably way off on most of them... the middle ones were the hardest.... I know Frederickson doesnt have many yards...and Joe Morrison was mostly short yardage..and a lot of times catching passes in the flat... curious to see how close I got ..and how close maybe...jints...rbc...or ros...maybe even keyofgmen could get....</P>


Geez, YA. I'd like to let you know, but don't want to ruin it if any of the other guys want to take a stab at it. Go to: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/career-rushing.htm and you'll see the answers and where you're off... but, in general, you did OK. Actually, I think your answers were pretty close to what I would have chosen, with the exception of OJ. I would have put OJ after Johnson and before Carpenter.</P>


If no one else gives it a shot I'll post the order tomorrow.</P>


wow,i never would have guessed that tiki is 10th overall in yrd from scrimmage AND 10th in all purpose yrds for a career!</P>


really tough from memory and this is probably not even close, but heres what i think based on thecriteria.</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff>1. barber2. morris 3. hampton 4. o.j. 5. gifford 6. webster7. johnson8. morrison 9. kotar 10. price 11. carpenter 12. frederickson 13. leemans</FONT></P>


</P>

zimonami
07-29-2009, 07:10 PM
I think this was a lot tougher than expected.</P>


1. Barber 2. Hampton 3. Morris 4. Webster 5. Johnson 6. Leemans 7. Kotar </P>


8. Eddie Price 9. Giff 10. Carpenter 11. OJ 12. Joe Morrison 13. Tucker</P>


</P>


I was really surprised about Leemans being 6, and Kotar 7. I would have put Giff at 6, then Kotar, OJ, and Carpenter... all before Leemans and Price. I would have swapped Webster and Johnson, too.</P>

YATittle1962
07-29-2009, 09:07 PM
that was tough Zim...

awesome question...lets do the same with receiving...

heres your list to put in order...


Earnest Gray
Jeremy Shockey
Plaxico Burress
Amani Toomer
Aaron Thomas
Kyle Rote
Bob Tucker
Tiki Barber
Mark Bavaro
Ike Hilliard
Frank Gifford
Chris Calloway
Joe Morrison

go for it fellas

zimonami
07-29-2009, 09:36 PM
that was tough Zim... awesome question...lets do the same with receiving... heres your list to put in order... Earnest Gray Jeremy Shockey Plaxico Burress Amani Toomer Aaron Thomas Kyle Rote Bob Tucker Tiki Barber Mark Bavaro Ike Hilliard Frank Gifford Chris Calloway go for it fellas</P>


1) Toomer2) Tiki3)MORRISON4) Hillaird5) Shockey6) Rote</P>


7) Gifford8)Bavaro9)Thomas10) Calloway11) Tucker11)Gray13) Burress</P>


</P>


YA, ya missed Joe M. He had the record, I think, before Tiki and Toomer broke them. This is tough. Give others time to answer... maybe answer tomorrow nite.</P>

YATittle1962
07-30-2009, 04:22 PM
the order..... Zimmy you were damn close................I was actually shocked to see Shockey so high...

1. Toomer
2. Barber
3. Morrison
4. Shockey
5. Hilliard
6. Gifford
7. Calloway
8. Tucker
9. Rote
10. Bavaro
11. Thomas
12. Burress
13. Gray

After Strahan.....

who are the next 5 player with most sacks as a Giant.....

zimonami
07-30-2009, 05:33 PM
the order..... Zimmy you were damn close................I was actually shocked to see Shockey so high... 1. Toomer 2. Barber 3. Morrison 4. Shockey 5. Hilliard 6. Gifford 7. Calloway 8. Tucker 9. Rote 10. Bavaro 11. Thomas 12. Burress 13. Gray After Strahan..... who are the next 5 player with most sacks as a Giant.....</P>


LOL... I was doing some reading a few weeks ago to see where Burress fit in to our WR stats. There are many on here who think he is the best WR we ever had. Perhaps close, talent wise, but no where near enough years to have accumulated yardage to put hiom near our top. Anyways, it was then that I was so surprised that Shockey was up there and had something like 2,250 yards more than Bavaro in just 2 more games, or two less. Anyways, I looked at the WR list then and saqw that Burress was not even in the top ten. I didn't memorize them, but I knew I'd be fairly close. I was also surprised how high Calloway was.</P>


I'll be back. Gots to think about the DL's and LB's we have had over the years to figure out who might be behind Strahan. Even though many of the older guys only played 12 or 14 games a season, some of them have surely got enough years under their belts to have been up there. I know Harry will be in there.</P>

zimonami
07-30-2009, 08:40 PM
the order..... Zimmy you were damn close................I was actually shocked to see Shockey so high... 1. Toomer 2. Barber 3. Morrison 4. Shockey 5. Hilliard 6. Gifford 7. Calloway 8. Tucker 9. Rote 10. Bavaro 11. Thomas 12. Burress 13. Gray After Strahan..... who are the next 5 player with most sacks as a Giant.....</P>


LOL... I was doing some reading a few weeks ago to see where Burress fit in to our WR stats. There are many on here who think he is the best WR we ever had. Perhaps close, talent wise, but no where near enough years to have accumulated yardage to put hiom near our top. Anyways, it was then that I was so surprised that Shockey was up there and had something like 2,250 yards more than Bavaro in just 2 more games, or two less. Anyways, I looked at the WR list then and saqw that Burress was not even in the top ten. I didn't memorize them, but I knew I'd be fairly close. I was also surprised how high Calloway was.</P>


I'll be back. Gots to think about the DL's and LB's we have had over the years to figure out who might be behind Strahan. Even though many of the older guys only played 12 or 14 games a season, some of them have surely got enough years under their belts to have been up there. I know Harry will be in there.</P>


</P>


OK, I've got to base this on DL's and LB's who played a lot of games. After Strahan I'll say...</P>


Carson; Martin; LT; Marshall; Banks. Maybe ones sliding into that five, and within the top 10 I'd have to include:</P>


Van Pelt; Hamilton; Patton; Lockhart; Tunnell; and maybe Armstead or Katcavage. That's 12... 13 if you include Stray. I think over the years this Baker's Dozen played the most games. Spider and Patton are the only DB's I included, but I'd have to guess that Mark Collins would be #3 for DB tackles. I would have put LT 2nd, but they usually ran away from his side.</P>

bigblue4417
07-30-2009, 08:41 PM
I was actually shocked to see Shockey so high....
Rimshot. lol

YATittle1962
07-30-2009, 10:59 PM
I was actually shocked to see Shockey so high....
Rimshot. lol


nice...hahahahaha

YATittle1962
08-01-2009, 05:14 PM
the order..... Zimmy you were damn close................I was actually shocked to see Shockey so high... 1. Toomer 2. Barber 3. Morrison 4. Shockey 5. Hilliard 6. Gifford 7. Calloway 8. Tucker 9. Rote 10. Bavaro 11. Thomas 12. Burress 13. Gray After Strahan..... who are the next 5 player with most sacks as a Giant.....</P>


LOL... I was doing some reading a few weeks ago to see where Burress fit in to our WR stats.* There are many on here who think he is the best WR we ever had.* Perhaps close, talent wise, but no where near enough years to have accumulated yardage to put hiom near our top. Anyways, it was then that I was so surprised that Shockey was up there and had something like 2,250 yards more than Bavaro in just 2 more games, or two less. Anyways, I looked at the WR list then and saqw that Burress was not even in the top ten.* I didn't memorize them, but I knew I'd be fairly close. I was also surprised how high Calloway was.</P>


I'll be back. Gots to think about the DL's and LB's we have had over the years to figure out who might be behind Strahan. Even though many of the older guys only played 12 or 14 games a season, some of them have surely got enough years under their belts to have been up there. I know Harry will be in there.*</P>


</P>


OK, I've got to base this on DL's and LB's who played a lot of games.* After Strahan I'll say...</P>


Carson;* Martin; LT; Marshall; Banks.* Maybe ones sliding into that five, and within the top 10 I'd have to include:</P>


Van Pelt; Hamilton; Patton; Lockhart; Tunnell; and maybe Armstead or Katcavage.* That's 12... 13 if you include Stray.* I think over the years this Baker's Dozen played the most games.* Spider and Patton are the only DB's I included, but I'd have to guess that Mark Collins would be #3 for DB tackles. I would have put LT 2nd, but they usually ran away from his side.</P>

ok here it is...

Strahan - 141.5

the following 5 are...

LT - 132.5
Leonard Marshall - 79.5
Keith Hamilton - 63
George Martin - 46
Carl Banks - 36

zimonami
08-01-2009, 05:56 PM
the order..... Zimmy you were damn close................I was actually shocked to see Shockey so high... 1. Toomer 2. Barber 3. Morrison 4. Shockey 5. Hilliard 6. Gifford 7. Calloway 8. Tucker 9. Rote 10. Bavaro 11. Thomas 12. Burress 13. Gray After Strahan..... who are the next 5 player with most sacks as a Giant.....</P>


LOL... I was doing some reading a few weeks ago to see where Burress fit in to our WR stats. There are many on here who think he is the best WR we ever had. Perhaps close, talent wise, but no where near enough years to have accumulated yardage to put hiom near our top. Anyways, it was then that I was so surprised that Shockey was up there and had something like 2,250 yards more than Bavaro in just 2 more games, or two less. Anyways, I looked at the WR list then and saqw that Burress was not even in the top ten. I didn't memorize them, but I knew I'd be fairly close. I was also surprised how high Calloway was.</P>


I'll be back. Gots to think about the DL's and LB's we have had over the years to figure out who might be behind Strahan. Even though many of the older guys only played 12 or 14 games a season, some of them have surely got enough years under their belts to have been up there. I know Harry will be in there.</P>


</P>


OK, I've got to base this on DL's and LB's who played a lot of games. After Strahan I'll say...</P>


Carson; Martin; LT; Marshall; Banks. Maybe ones sliding into that five, and within the top 10 I'd have to include:</P>


Van Pelt; Hamilton; Patton; Lockhart; Tunnell; and maybe Armstead or Katcavage. That's 12... 13 if you include Stray. I think over the years this Baker's Dozen played the most games. Spider and Patton are the only DB's I included, but I'd have to guess that Mark Collins would be #3 for DB tackles. I would have put LT 2nd, but they usually ran away from his side.</P>


ok here it is... Strahan - 141.5 the following 5 are... LT - 132.5 Leonard Marshall - 79.5 Keith Hamilton - 63 George Martin - 46 Carl Banks - 36</P>


Wow, Ya - I looked at the answers and am thinking, "What?" Then I realized... I read your question as all time "Tackles", not Sacks. I knew LT had the record before Stray, so I wouls have had him 2nd. I also never would have included Patton, Tunnell, or Lockhart in the top 10 for Sacks. And, I wouldn't have had Harry in the top 5, knowing that he rarely blitzed.</P>


Now I'm wondering how my list woulod comparte to real, all-time Tackles. I wonder if they even kept track of tackles before the 70's or 80's. I know they didn't keep track of sacks before LT's time.</P>


Now I'm wondering ho</P>

YATittle1962
08-01-2009, 06:06 PM
wow Zimmy ...all time tackles would be great stat to know....

I would have no idea how to look that one up......Im gunna try though....I gotta know that if its possible....



meanwhile...lets do the top 13 passers in Giants history.....in terms of yardage..

here is your list to put in order...

some of these names....I was actually surprised they were even on here.....

Kent Graham
Joe Pisarcik
Fran Tarkenton
Craig Morton
YA Tittle
Dave Brown
Eli Manning
Phil Simms
Danny Kanell
Charlie Conerly
Norm Snead
Scott Brunner
Kerry Collins

go for it fellas

zimonami
08-01-2009, 09:53 PM
wow Zimmy ...all time tackles would be great stat to know.... I would have no idea how to look that one up......Im gunna try though....I gotta know that if its possible.... meanwhile...lets do the top 13 passers in Giants history.....in terms of yardage.. here is your list to put in order... some of these names....I was actually surprised they were even on here..... Kent Graham Joe Pisarcik Fran Tarkenton Craig Morton YA Tittle Dave Brown Eli Manning Phil Simms Danny Kanell Charlie Conerly Norm Snead Scott Brunner Kerry Collins go for it fellas</P>


Simms; Conerly; Collins; Manning (Manning will pass Collins this year, and will probably pass Conerly sometime in 2010); Tittle; Brown; Brunner; Tarkenton; Snead; Morton; Pisarcik; Kanell; Graham</P>


I believe my first 4 are good. After that it's a crapshoot.</P>

zimonami
08-02-2009, 06:22 PM
wow Zimmy ...all time tackles would be great stat to know.... I would have no idea how to look that one up......Im gunna try though....I gotta know that if its possible.... meanwhile...lets do the top 13 passers in Giants history.....in terms of yardage.. here is your list to put in order... some of these names....I was actually surprised they were even on here..... Kent Graham Joe Pisarcik Fran Tarkenton Craig Morton YA Tittle Dave Brown Eli Manning Phil Simms Danny Kanell Charlie Conerly Norm Snead Scott Brunner Kerry Collins go for it fellas</P>


Simms; Conerly; Collins; Manning (Manning will pass Collins this year, and will probably pass Conerly sometime in 2010); Tittle; Brown; Brunner; Tarkenton; Snead; Morton; Pisarcik; Kanell; Graham</P>


I believe my first 4 are good. After that it's a crapshoot.</P>


</P>


This is all I could find... Carson, LT, and many others do not have their total tackles listed which tells me they didn't start keeping stats on tackles until sometime in the 80's., maybe '83 or '84. Here is the short list of our leaders: The only DB is Collins. I'd like to know how Patton and Lockhart compare, but I guess we'll never know.</P>


Strahan 667;Marshall 660;Banks 627;Armstead 597;Pepper Johnson 579;Mark Collins515; Keith Hamilton 387</P>

YATittle1962
08-05-2009, 03:08 AM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TD

jints10
08-05-2009, 08:30 AM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TD

Wow YA I am surprised that Graham, Brown and Kannel were even on that list.
So the Giants have been in existence for 83 years and Brown makes the top 13...wow.

I will go with a training camp question and keep with the lists:

How many Giants Training camp facilities can you name?

rbcarpenter
08-05-2009, 10:17 AM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

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YATittle1962
08-05-2009, 12:29 PM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..haha

YATittle1962
08-05-2009, 12:43 PM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TD

Wow YA I am surprised that Graham, Brown and Kannel were even on that list.
So the Giants have been in existence for 83 years and Brown makes the top 13...wow.

I will go with a training camp question and keep with the lists:

How many Giants Training camp facilities can you name?


excellent question jints..

tough one.....lets see...i know there was...

Pace U in NY
Fairleigh ****enson in NJ

I know they trained in Oregon, Vermont, and Conn.

but for the life of me cant remember the facilities......

enter Zimmy....hahahha

zimonami
08-05-2009, 02:00 PM
1. Simms 2. Conerly 3.Collins 4. Manning 5. Tarkenton 6. Brown 7. Tittle 8. Brunner 9.Morton 10. Snead 11. Kanell 12. Pisarcik 13. Graham I cannot believe Graham is on that list. during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink) How many completions did Simms have in that game? ...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TD

Wow YA I am surprised that Graham, Brown and Kannel were even on that list.
So the Giants have been in existence for 83 years and Brown makes the top 13...wow.

I will go with a training camp question and keep with the lists:

How many Giants Training camp facilities can you name?
excellent question jints.. tough one.....lets see...i know there was... Pace U in NY Fairleigh ****enson in NJ I know they trained in Oregon, Vermont, and Conn. but for the life of me cant remember the facilities...... enter Zimmy....hahahha</P>


I don't know any more than what YA has. In fact I had forgotten about the Oregon camp.... silly place for a NY/NJ team to camp, eh?</P>


Of course, there's Albany, too. Funny YA should forget that one, since he is there right now. YA, do you know where you are?</P>

jints10
08-05-2009, 02:55 PM
1. Simms 2. Conerly 3.Collins 4. Manning 5. Tarkenton 6. Brown 7. Tittle 8. Brunner 9.Morton 10. Snead 11. Kanell 12. Pisarcik 13. Graham I cannot believe Graham is on that list. during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink) How many completions did Simms have in that game? ...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TD

Wow YA I am surprised that Graham, Brown and Kannel were even on that list.
So the Giants have been in existence for 83 years and Brown makes the top 13...wow.

I will go with a training camp question and keep with the lists:

How many Giants Training camp facilities can you name?
excellent question jints.. tough one.....lets see...i know there was... Pace U in NY Fairleigh ****enson in NJ I know they trained in Oregon, Vermont, and Conn. but for the life of me cant remember the facilities...... enter Zimmy....hahahha</p>


I don't know any more than what YA has. In fact I had forgotten about the Oregon camp.... silly place for a NY/NJ team to camp, eh?</p>


Of course, there's Albany, too. Funny YA should forget that one, since he is there right now. YA, do you know where you are?</p>

By all means I did not know all of these, I did know the first 5 though

University of Albany........................................96-current
Fairleigh ****enson University.........................88-95............I went several times here
Pace University ..............................................75-87............I went after the SB
Fairfield University........................................ ..74
Monmouth College.........................................72-73............Near my house older brother took me to most of them here. This is where I got hooked on training camp.

C.W. Post.............................................. ........70-71
Fairfield University........................................ ..61-69
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............59-60
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................58
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............56-57
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................54-55
Gustavus-Adolphus........................................52-53
Saranac NY................................................ ...50-51
Pearl River NY...............................................4 7-49
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 46
Bear Mountain.......................................... ......43-45
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 41-42
Blue Hills Country Club (Pearl River NY)........40
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 39
Pearl River NY...............................................3 4-38
Pompton Lakes NJ.........................................33
Thats all they have listed. I guess they didn't have training camp before 33

YATittle1962
08-05-2009, 03:11 PM
1. Simms 2. Conerly 3.Collins 4. Manning 5. Tarkenton 6. Brown 7. Tittle 8. Brunner 9.Morton 10. Snead 11. Kanell 12. Pisarcik 13. Graham I cannot believe Graham is on that list. during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink) How many completions did Simms have in that game? ...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TD

Wow YA I am surprised that Graham, Brown and Kannel were even on that list.
So the Giants have been in existence for 83 years and Brown makes the top 13...wow.

I will go with a training camp question and keep with the lists:

How many Giants Training camp facilities can you name?
excellent question jints.. tough one.....lets see...i know there was... Pace U in NY Fairleigh ****enson in NJ I know they trained in Oregon, Vermont, and Conn. but for the life of me cant remember the facilities...... enter Zimmy....hahahha</P>


I don't know any more than what YA has. In fact I had forgotten about the Oregon camp.... silly place for a NY/NJ team to camp, eh?</P>


Of course, there's Albany, too.* Funny YA should forget that one, since he is there right now.* YA, do you know where you are?</P>

Zimmy sometimes I have no idea where I am....hahahah

zimonami
08-05-2009, 05:34 PM
By all means I did not know all of these, I did know the first 5 though

University of Albany........................................96-current
Fairleigh ****enson University.........................88-95............I went several times here
Pace University ..............................................75-87............I went after the SB
Fairfield University........................................ ..74
Monmouth College.........................................72-73............Near my house older brother took me to most of them here. This is where I got hooked on training camp.

C.W. Post.............................................. ........70-71
Fairfield University........................................ ..61-69
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............59-60
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................58
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............56-57
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................54-55
Gustavus-Adolphus........................................52-53
Saranac NY................................................ ...50-51
Pearl River NY...............................................4 7-49
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 46
Bear Mountain.......................................... ......43-45
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 41-42
Blue Hills Country Club (Pearl River NY)........40
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 39
Pearl River NY...............................................3 4-38
Pompton Lakes NJ.........................................33
Thats all they have listed. I guess they didn't have training camp before 33
</P>


That's amazing. Gustavus-Adolphus is in Minny. Why would you want to go to Oregon, Wisconsin, and Minnesota for training camp. The Caribbean is as close, although warm in August. I'd like to see them do camp in East Rutherford. Will they have the facilities to do this when all is done?</P>


</P>

jints10
08-05-2009, 06:00 PM
By all means I did not know all of these, I did know the first 5 though

University of Albany........................................96-current
Fairleigh ****enson University.........................88-95............I went several times here
Pace University ..............................................75-87............I went after the SB
Fairfield University........................................ ..74
Monmouth College.........................................72-73............Near my house older brother took me to most of them here. This is where I got hooked on training camp.

C.W. Post.............................................. ........70-71
Fairfield University........................................ ..61-69
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............59-60
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................58
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............56-57
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................54-55
Gustavus-Adolphus........................................52-53
Saranac NY................................................ ...50-51
Pearl River NY...............................................4 7-49
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 46
Bear Mountain.......................................... ......43-45
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 41-42
Blue Hills Country Club (Pearl River NY)........40
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 39
Pearl River NY...............................................3 4-38
Pompton Lakes NJ.........................................33
Thats all they have listed. I guess they didn't have training camp before 33
</p>


That's amazing. Gustavus-Adolphus is in Minny. Why would you want to go to Oregon, Wisconsin, and Minnesota for training camp. The Caribbean is as close, although warm in August. I'd like to see them do camp in East Rutherford. Will they have the facilities to do this when all is done?</p>


</p>
Lol when I was typing the list I was wondering where the hell Gustavus-Adolphus was

The only reason I could think of going to Oregon, Wisconsin and Minny is it may be a little cooler up there ( remember their wasnt much air conditioning back then)

I think they could have camp at Giants Stadium if they built dorms or rented out a few floors of one of the near by hotels.

YATittle1962
08-05-2009, 06:28 PM
***
By all means I did not know all of these, I did know the first 5 though

University of Albany........................................96-current
Fairleigh ****enson University.........................88-95............I went several times here
Pace University ..............................................75-87............I went after the SB
Fairfield University........................................ ..74
Monmouth College.........................................72-73............Near my house older brother took me to most of them here. This is where I got hooked on training camp.

C.W. Post.............................................. ........70-71
Fairfield University........................................ ..61-69
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............59-60
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................58
St. Michaels College (Winooski VT)...............56-57
Williamette University (Salem OR)..................54-55
Gustavus-Adolphus........................................52-53
Saranac NY................................................ ...50-51
Pearl River NY...............................................4 7-49
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 46
Bear Mountain.......................................... ......43-45
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 41-42
Blue Hills Country Club (Pearl River NY)........40
Superior Wisconsin......................................... 39
Pearl River NY...............................................3 4-38
Pompton Lakes NJ.........................................33
Thats all they have listed. I guess they didn't have training camp before 33
</p>


That's amazing. Gustavus-Adolphus is in Minny.* Why would you want to go to Oregon, Wisconsin, and Minnesota for training camp.* The Caribbean is as close, although warm in August.* I'd like to see them do camp in East Rutherford.* Will they have the facilities to do this when all is done?</p>


*</p>
Lol when I was typing the list I was wondering where the hell Gustavus-Adolphus was

The only reason I could think of going to Oregon, Wisconsin and Minny is it may be a little cooler up there ( remember their wasnt much air conditioning back then)

I think they could have camp at Giants Stadium if they built dorms or rented out a few floors of one of the near by hotels.


I think they like to keep it just far enough away so the players dont get distracted by their everyday life .....just for those few weeks...

just being up here I can really feel how a veteran player can really hate this....

it seems very grueling ..... a lot of these big linemen often take a knee and get oxygen.....

zimonami
08-05-2009, 07:19 PM
I think they like to keep it just far enough away so the players dont get distracted by their everyday life .....just for those few weeks... just being up here I can really feel how a veteran player can really hate this.... it seems very grueling ..... a lot of these big linemen often take a knee and get oxygen.....</P>


You're right... they don't want them in familiar haunts. Dorm atmosphere is better for Team. Still, turnout every day would be incredible at Giants Stadium.</P>


One vet... Strahan... found a way to miss that one summer camp. He hated camp. But, it is absolutely necessary and with only two weeks before their first preseason game they have a lot of work to do. With the number of WR's trying to impress, and to find timing with Eli, does anyone think Eli will play any more than 1/4 in the first few games?</P>


I'm sure they were looking for cooler climes when they went to Minny and Wisconsin. </P>

YATittle1962
08-05-2009, 08:59 PM
********** I think they like to keep it just far enough away so the players dont get distracted by their everyday life .....just for those few weeks... just being up here I can really feel how a veteran player can really hate this.... it seems very grueling ..... a lot of these big linemen often take a knee and get oxygen.....</P>


You're right... they don't want them in familiar haunts.* Dorm atmosphere is better for Team.* Still, turnout every day would be incredible at Giants Stadium.</P>


One vet... Strahan... found a way to miss that one summer camp.* He hated camp.* But, it is absolutely necessary and with only two weeks before their first preseason game they have a lot of work to do.* With the number of WR's trying to impress, and to find timing with Eli, does anyone think Eli will play any more than 1/4 in the first few games?</P>


I'm sure they were looking for cooler climes when they went to Minny and Wisconsin.* </P>

Ill tell you what....

I hope Eli and the WRs look better tomorrow than they have the past couple days cus this defense is all over them like white on rice....

Moss looks the best to me......then Hixon....

Nicks is gunna break out....I can feel it...he is really picking Elis brain constantly....

...and Barden has surprisingly good hands....

2 weeks is not that much time.....then again pre season is kinda still camp

rbcarpenter
08-05-2009, 09:04 PM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..hahahaha,no,actually,i was there!

derekunion28
08-05-2009, 09:22 PM
I think they like to keep it just far enough away so the players dont get distracted by their everyday life .....just for those few weeks... just being up here I can really feel how a veteran player can really hate this.... it seems very grueling ..... a lot of these big linemen often take a knee and get oxygen.....</P>


You're right... they don't want them in familiar haunts. Dorm atmosphere is better for Team. Still, turnout every day would be incredible at Giants Stadium.</P>


One vet... Strahan... found a way to miss that one summer camp. He hated camp. But, it is absolutely necessary and with only two weeks before their first preseason game they have a lot of work to do. With the number of WR's trying to impress, and to find timing with Eli, does anyone think Eli will play any more than 1/4 in the first few games?</P>


I'm sure they were looking for cooler climes when they went to Minny and Wisconsin. </P>


Ill tell you what.... I hope Eli and the WRs look better tomorrow than they have the past couple days cus this defense is all over them like white on rice.... Moss looks the best to me......then Hixon.... Nicks is gunna break out....I can feel it...he is really picking Elis brain constantly.... ...and Barden has surprisingly good hands.... 2 weeks is not that much time.....then again pre season is kinda still camp</P>


preseason is better then camp for some of these guys , imho, or will help more , just more of a chance to get hurt , hope they rotate all the wrs through the differnt squads during preseason ,like per say let nicks or barden get some reps with the 1st team, tho if they dont i em sure its for a reason , nice reads guys i just read dont have nothing to comment on , i dont know much of the history , as u guys do </P>

zimonami
08-05-2009, 10:56 PM
preseason is better then camp for some of these guys , imho, or will help more , just more of a chance to get hurt , hope they rotate all the wrs through the differnt squads during preseason ,like per say let nicks or barden get some reps with the 1st team, tho if they dont i em sure its for a reason , nice reads guys i just read dont have nothing to comment on , i dont know much of the history , as u guys do </P>


</P>


You're right, Derek. Somehow, playing under real game conditions will give them a better feel for timing and execution... especially against another D. By the time our first game rolls around it can only have been good for Eli and our WR corp to have to play every day against one of the best D's in the league... our own. I'd like to see Eli stay in for more than a quarter, with a nice rotation of our WR's... but I doubt that will happen. They're not going to keep Eli in with our second string O Line, and their not going to keep our OL starters in for much more than a quarter. The downside is less reps. The upside is less exposure to injury.</P>

YATittle1962
08-06-2009, 01:35 AM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..hahahaha,no,actually,i was there!

I was there as well and there is no way I would have remembered Simms was 2 of 4

YATittle1962
08-06-2009, 01:35 AM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..hahahaha,no,actually,i was there!

I was there as well and there is no way I would have remembered Simms was 2 of 4

rbcarpenter
08-06-2009, 03:45 PM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..hahahaha,no,actually,i was there!

I was there as well and there is no way I would have remembered Simms was 2 of 4well,not to start a war with anyone,but i was never really as much into phil simms as much as other fans were.i wasn't one to call for his head every week,but neither am i one of these"phil is god"guys i keep seeing posts from.so for me,his poor performances stick out just as much as his good ones.now that i have brought this up,i know someone is going to ask me,"what do really think of simms?"here is my response:i think he was a tough,gutty,above average qb with the arm strength to cut through the winds of the meadowlands.but that is all.i am not going to make him out to be better than what he truly was.i will give him some extra credit,though:he is easily the best game analyst on tv today,and makes any game he calls interesting to watch.sorry to go off on a tangent,there,YAT.

YATittle1962
08-06-2009, 04:44 PM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..hahahaha,no,actually,i was there!

I was there as well and there is no way I would have remembered Simms was 2 of 4well,not to start a war with anyone,but i was never really as much into phil simms as much as other fans were.i wasn't one to call for his head every week,but neither am i one of these"phil is god"guys i keep seeing posts from.so for me,his poor performances stick out just as much as his good ones.now that i have brought this up,i know someone is going to ask me,"what do really think of simms?"here is my response:i think he was a tough,gutty,above average qb with the arm strength to cut through the winds of the meadowlands.but that is all.i am not going to make him out to be better than what he truly was.i will give him some extra credit,though:he is easily the best game analyst on tv today,and makes any game he calls interesting to watch.sorry to go off on a tangent,there,YAT.

great tangent though rbc

I really liked Phil....it had just been so long since we were winning that I associated winning with Phil....

he wasnt always great...but he sure had his moments....

Im curious of how you feel about Eli.....

keyofgmen
08-06-2009, 07:38 PM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..hahahaha,no,actually,i was there!

I was there as well and there is no way I would have remembered Simms was 2 of 4well,not to start a war with anyone,but i was never really as much into phil simms as much as other fans were.i wasn't one to call for his head every week,but neither am i one of these"phil is god"guys i keep seeing posts from.so for me,his poor performances stick out just as much as his good ones.now that i have brought this up,i know someone is going to ask me,"what do really think of simms?"here is my response:i think he was a tough,gutty,above average qb with the arm strength to cut through the winds of the meadowlands.but that is all.i am not going to make him out to be better than what he truly was.i will give him some extra credit,though:he is easily the best game analyst on tv today,and makes any game he calls interesting to watch.sorry to go off on a tangent,there,YAT.

great tangent though rbc

I really liked Phil....it had just been so long since we were winning that I associated winning with Phil....

he wasnt always great...but he sure had his moments....

Im curious of how you feel about Eli.....

Don't mean to butt in, but I will say that I was one of those that screamed at Simms in the early years. then I was on a chairlift skiing in Colorado and some guy said to me "man I wish we had a real QB like Simms".

I think I may have been the same way with Eli, but I realize that, at any given time in franchise history, a QB just fits... and I believe that Eli Manning is that guy for this era. One SB win, and potential for more. Can you really ask for more??

zimonami
08-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Don't mean to butt in, but I will say that I was one of those that screamed at Simms in the early years. then I was on a chairlift skiing in Colorado and some guy said to me "man I wish we had a real QB like Simms". I think I may have been the same way with Eli, but I realize that, at any given time in franchise history, a QB just fits... and I believe that Eli Manning is that guy for this era. One SB win, and potential for more. Can you really ask for more??</P>


Hey, key, your 2 cents worth isalways appreciated. I was always a Simms supporter. It pained me to hear some of my neighbors in the stadium constantly berate him. Their tune changed slowly after SB 21.I'm notoriously for the underdog and I wanted that "Phil WHO?" guy from Morehead State to succeed.</P>


You're right about the right guy to fit a team. Simms fit the 80's Giants perfectly and Eli can be that same fit for this team. My only complaint about Eli is his accuracy problems some times. In the last50+ years we've only been blessed with Conerly, Tittle, and Simms. Let's hope Eli joins that crew in our evaluations of his era. It's not fair to judge yet, but he seems to fit the bill.</P>

rbcarpenter
08-06-2009, 10:08 PM
1. Simms
2. Conerly
3.Collins
4. Manning
5. Tarkenton
6. Brown
7. Tittle
8. Brunner
9.Morton
10. Snead
11. Kanell
12. Pisarcik
13. Graham

I cannot believe Graham is on that list.


during the 1990 season the Giants came back in the 4th quarter to beat the Cardinals....20 -19 (same score as another game late that same season...wink wink)

How many completions did Simms have in that game?

...and name the QB WR combo that scored the Giants only 4th quarter TDcombo was hoss to baker........simms was 2 for 4 before getting hurt.

damn rbc...

you pull that off the top of your head or look it up?

I thought this may have been harder than that..hahahaha,no,actually,i was there!

I was there as well and there is no way I would have remembered Simms was 2 of 4well,not to start a war with anyone,but i was never really as much into phil simms as much as other fans were.i wasn't one to call for his head every week,but neither am i one of these"phil is god"guys i keep seeing posts from.so for me,his poor performances stick out just as much as his good ones.now that i have brought this up,i know someone is going to ask me,"what do really think of simms?"here is my response:i think he was a tough,gutty,above average qb with the arm strength to cut through the winds of the meadowlands.but that is all.i am not going to make him out to be better than what he truly was.i will give him some extra credit,though:he is easily the best game analyst on tv today,and makes any game he calls interesting to watch.sorry to go off on a tangent,there,YAT.

great tangent though rbc

I really liked Phil....it had just been so long since we were winning that I associated winning with Phil....

he wasnt always great...but he sure had his moments....

Im curious of how you feel about Eli.....

Don't mean to butt in, but I will say that I was one of those that screamed at Simms in the early years. then I was on a chairlift skiing in Colorado and some guy said to me "man I wish we had a real QB like Simms".

I think I may have been the same way with Eli, but I realize that, at any given time in franchise history, a QB just fits... and I believe that Eli Manning is that guy for this era. One SB win, and potential for more. Can you really ask for more??you are so right,k o g,you beat me to the punch.well,YAT,in my words,i have seen both the great[sb42,denver comeback,other comebacks}and the bad[games his rookie year,07 minnesota and washington[[was at BOTH],and eagles 08].he is what the team needs right now.a calming,steady influence off the feild,in the huddle,and in the pocket.but he does have the potential for so much more with the natural skill he has,and the ammount of time and hard work he puts into the game.BUT the receiving corp AND the offensive game planning has to be able to keep pace,to give him the best chance to shine,and the team the best chance to win.[no more 53 pass attempts in a 50 mph wind,killdrive!]he has the potential to be the greatest giants qb in history at this point.time will tell. off on another tangent:the way fans tend to ask,"what makes a great qb?"they say two things:1)stats-yds,tds,av per att,ect,or)b championships.ok,well,they're easy enough to gauge.just look up the numbers.however,i usually introduce another way to see who was good:who won the most with the least,wether it be a shoddy defense,no receivers,no running game,whatever.and when i put my choice out there,i can usually get people to agree with me.my pick is ALWAYS......dan marino.i know he never won a super bowl,but after 89 or 90,he still managed to get the dolphins to the playoffs with very little around him.to me,that was the measure of true greatness.

YATittle1962
08-06-2009, 10:23 PM
since we are on the Simms Manning topic....

which of the 2 has the higher SINGLE SEASON comp. %?
.......TD %?
........TD?
........INT?

rbcarpenter
08-06-2009, 10:39 PM
since we are on the Simms Manning topic....

which of the 2 has the higher SINGLE SEASON comp. %?
.......TD %?
........TD?
........INT?ok,i looked'em up,these are 1 year bests:comp% simms-61.8,eli-60.3 td% simms-6.0,eli-4.6 tds simms-22,eli-24[twice!] ints simms-22,eli-20 and i added in int% simms-high-7.7,low-3.5,eli-high-4.6,low-3.0,and finally,overall rating simms-high-92.7-low-56.6,eli-high-86.4-low-55.4.if you look at these #'s side-by-side,they're not that different.that's why i said earlier eli has such potential.he's only been starting 4 1/2 years,he's[hopefully]still on an upswing.

zimonami
08-06-2009, 11:47 PM
since we are on the Simms Manning topic.... which of the 2 has the higher SINGLE SEASON comp. %? .......TD %? ........TD? ........INT?ok,i looked'em up,these are 1 year bests:comp% simms-61.8,eli-60.3 td% simms-6.0,eli-4.6 tds simms-22,eli-24[twice!] ints simms-22,eli-20 and i added in int% simms-high-7.7,low-3.5,eli-high-4.6,low-3.0,and finally,overall rating simms-high-92.7-low-56.6,eli-high-86.4-low-55.4.if you look at these #'s side-by-side,they're not that different.that's why i said earlier eli has such potential.he's only been starting 4 1/2 years,he's[hopefully]still on an upswing.</P>


Thanks, rbc. I would have had to look them up, too. If Eli plays 6 more years I expect his numbers will be very close to Simms. He should be able to play more than 6 years, and then, for sure, he will be our all time #1 in stats.</P>

jints10
08-07-2009, 12:11 AM
since we are on the Simms Manning topic.... which of the 2 has the higher SINGLE SEASON comp. %? .......TD %? ........TD? ........INT?ok,i looked'em up,these are 1 year bests:comp% simms-61.8,eli-60.3 td% simms-6.0,eli-4.6 tds simms-22,eli-24[twice!] ints simms-22,eli-20 and i added in int% simms-high-7.7,low-3.5,eli-high-4.6,low-3.0,and finally,overall rating simms-high-92.7-low-56.6,eli-high-86.4-low-55.4.if you look at these #'s side-by-side,they're not that different.that's why i said earlier eli has such potential.he's only been starting 4 1/2 years,he's[hopefully]still on an upswing.</p>


Thanks, rbc. I would have had to look them up, too. If Eli plays 6 more years I expect his numbers will be very close to Simms. He should be able to play more than 6 years, and then, for sure, he will be our all time #1 in stats.</p>
Ha ha I knew I didnt know this one off the top of my head.

Now I want to see the two of their stats together for the first 5 years.

YATittle1962
08-07-2009, 01:06 AM
since we are on the Simms Manning topic.... which of the 2 has the higher SINGLE SEASON comp. %? .......TD %? ........TD? ........INT?ok,i looked'em up,these are 1 year bests:comp% simms-61.8,eli-60.3 td% simms-6.0,eli-4.6 tds simms-22,eli-24[twice!] ints simms-22,eli-20 and i added in int% simms-high-7.7,low-3.5,eli-high-4.6,low-3.0,and finally,overall rating simms-high-92.7-low-56.6,eli-high-86.4-low-55.4.if you look at these #'s side-by-side,they're not that different.that's why i said earlier eli has such potential.he's only been starting 4 1/2 years,he's[hopefully]still on an upswing.</p>


Thanks, rbc.* I would have had to look them up, too.* If Eli* plays 6 more years I expect his numbers will be very close to Simms.* He should be able to play more than 6 years, and then, for sure, he will be our all time #1 in stats.</p>
Ha ha I knew I didnt know this one off the top of my head.

Now I want to see the two of their stats together for the first 5 years.


I think Eli is the most similar to Simms that we have seen.

if Eli can just tighten up his ball....just a bit......I think he can surpass Simm...barring he stays healthy

Now imagine a healthy Simms...all those years when he wasnt...

if he wasnt hurt those years there is not a doubt in my mind that he would have a yellow blazer hanging in his closet right now.

I also think that SB XXV would not have been nearly as close if he was healthy....no disrespect to Hoss.


off the top of your head.....

what year did Simms have the most pass attempts?

I was one season late when I guessed..

zimonami
08-07-2009, 02:26 AM
I think Eli is the most similar to Simms that we have seen. if Eli can just tighten up his ball....just a bit......I think he can surpass Simm...barring he stays healthy Now imagine a healthy Simms...all those years when he wasnt... if he wasnt hurt those years there is not a doubt in my mind that he would have a yellow blazer hanging in his closet right now. I also think that SB XXV would not have been nearly as close if he was healthy....no disrespect to Hoss. off the top of your head..... what year did Simms have the most pass attempts? I was one season late when I guessed..</P>


I agree about Eli tightening his spiral... absolutely necessary in cold and windy December. Honestly, I can't understand why he can't, or doesn't. He definitely has big, strong hands. When I played QB in HS it seemed easy to practice different grips to find the one that created the tightest spin. Sometimes I think Eli tries to put too much 'touch' on some passes, and this is when it has that little wobble... which becomes big wobble in the wind.</P>


Agree about Simms records if he hadn't been injured as much, ir stupidly relpaced as the starter. Funny, just today I was thinking, "We beat Buffalo a lot easier if Simms was healthy."</P>


I know it wasn't '86 that Simms had the most attempts. We did a lotmore running with Morris in '86. It was either '84 or '85. It was the year he cracked 4,000 yds. In 'those two years he threw a lot to Carpenter. When Carpenter was gone in '86 he didn't throw all that much to Morris.</P>


I'll say '85.</P>

YATittle1962
08-12-2009, 02:51 PM
*** I think Eli is the most similar to Simms that we have seen. if Eli can just tighten up his ball....just a bit......I think he can surpass Simm...barring he stays healthy Now imagine a healthy Simms...all those years when he wasnt... if he wasnt hurt those years there is not a doubt in my mind that he would have a yellow blazer hanging in his closet right now. I also think that SB XXV would not have been nearly as close if he was healthy....no disrespect to Hoss. off the top of your head..... what year did Simms have the most pass attempts? I was one season late when I guessed..</P>


I agree about Eli tightening his spiral... absolutely necessary in cold and windy December.* Honestly, I can't understand why he can't, or doesn't. He definitely has big, strong hands.* When I played QB in HS it seemed easy to practice different grips to find the one that created the tightest spin. Sometimes I think Eli tries to put too much 'touch' on some passes, and this is when it has that little wobble... which becomes big wobble in the wind.</P>


Agree about Simms records if he hadn't been injured as much, ir stupidly relpaced as the starter. Funny, just today I was thinking, "We beat Buffalo a lot easier if Simms was healthy."</P>


I know it wasn't '86 that Simms had the most attempts.* We did a lot*more running with Morris in '86. It was either '84 or '85.* It was the year he cracked 4,000 yds.* In 'those two years he threw a lot to Carpenter.* When Carpenter was gone in '86 he didn't throw all that much to Morris.</P>


I'll say '85.</P>


it was 84


in the 86 Championship season......

week 2 i believe it was...vs. the Chargers.....

Tony Galbreath had one pass attempt that was incomplete....

who was the receiver that dropped the ball?

zimonami
08-12-2009, 04:39 PM
I think Eli is the most similar to Simms that we have seen. if Eli can just tighten up his ball....just a bit......I think he can surpass Simm...barring he stays healthy Now imagine a healthy Simms...all those years when he wasnt... if he wasnt hurt those years there is not a doubt in my mind that he would have a yellow blazer hanging in his closet right now. I also think that SB XXV would not have been nearly as close if he was healthy....no disrespect to Hoss. off the top of your head..... what year did Simms have the most pass attempts? I was one season late when I guessed..</P>


I agree about Eli tightening his spiral... absolutely necessary in cold and windy December. Honestly, I can't understand why he can't, or doesn't. He definitely has big, strong hands. When I played QB in HS it seemed easy to practice different grips to find the one that created the tightest spin. Sometimes I think Eli tries to put too much 'touch' on some passes, and this is when it has that little wobble... which becomes big wobble in the wind.</P>


Agree about Simms records if he hadn't been injured as much, ir stupidly relpaced as the starter. Funny, just today I was thinking, "We beat Buffalo a lot easier if Simms was healthy."</P>


I know it wasn't '86 that Simms had the most attempts. We did a lotmore running with Morris in '86. It was either '84 or '85. It was the year he cracked 4,000 yds. In 'those two years he threw a lot to Carpenter. When Carpenter was gone in '86 he didn't throw all that much to Morris.</P>


I'll say '85.</P>


it was 84 in the 86 Championship season...... week 2 i believe it was...vs. the Chargers..... Tony Galbreath had one pass attempt that was incomplete.... who was the receiver that dropped the ball?</P>


Hey, we're back!</P>


I don't remember, but I'll take a flier on Simms. And, if it was Simms, and he dropped it, he was probably tres' pi$$ed at the missed opportunity.</P>

YATittle1962
08-12-2009, 04:42 PM
*** I think Eli is the most similar to Simms that we have seen. if Eli can just tighten up his ball....just a bit......I think he can surpass Simm...barring he stays healthy Now imagine a healthy Simms...all those years when he wasnt... if he wasnt hurt those years there is not a doubt in my mind that he would have a yellow blazer hanging in his closet right now. I also think that SB XXV would not have been nearly as close if he was healthy....no disrespect to Hoss. off the top of your head..... what year did Simms have the most pass attempts? I was one season late when I guessed..</P>


I agree about Eli tightening his spiral... absolutely necessary in cold and windy December.* Honestly, I can't understand why he can't, or doesn't. He definitely has big, strong hands.* When I played QB in HS it seemed easy to practice different grips to find the one that created the tightest spin. Sometimes I think Eli tries to put too much 'touch' on some passes, and this is when it has that little wobble... which becomes big wobble in the wind.</P>


Agree about Simms records if he hadn't been injured as much, ir stupidly relpaced as the starter. Funny, just today I was thinking, "We beat Buffalo a lot easier if Simms was healthy."</P>


I know it wasn't '86 that Simms had the most attempts.* We did a lot*more running with Morris in '86. It was either '84 or '85.* It was the year he cracked 4,000 yds.* In 'those two years he threw a lot to Carpenter.* When Carpenter was gone in '86 he didn't throw all that much to Morris.</P>


I'll say '85.</P>


it was 84 in the 86 Championship season...... week 2 i believe it was...vs. the Chargers..... Tony Galbreath had one pass attempt that was incomplete.... who was the receiver that dropped the ball?</P>


Hey, we're back!</P>


I don't remember, but I'll take a flier on Simms.* And, if it was Simms, and he dropped it, he was probably tres' pi$$ed at the missed opportunity.</P>

damn Zimmy

I swore I had you guys on this one...hahaha

yeah it was Simms.....

hit him right in the hands to.....

zimonami
08-12-2009, 04:59 PM
I think Eli is the most similar to Simms that we have seen. if Eli can just tighten up his ball....just a bit......I think he can surpass Simm...barring he stays healthy Now imagine a healthy Simms...all those years when he wasnt... if he wasnt hurt those years there is not a doubt in my mind that he would have a yellow blazer hanging in his closet right now. I also think that SB XXV would not have been nearly as close if he was healthy....no disrespect to Hoss. off the top of your head..... what year did Simms have the most pass attempts? I was one season late when I guessed..</P>


I agree about Eli tightening his spiral... absolutely necessary in cold and windy December. Honestly, I can't understand why he can't, or doesn't. He definitely has big, strong hands. When I played QB in HS it seemed easy to practice different grips to find the one that created the tightest spin. Sometimes I think Eli tries to put too much 'touch' on some passes, and this is when it has that little wobble... which becomes big wobble in the wind.</P>


Agree about Simms records if he hadn't been injured as much, ir stupidly relpaced as the starter. Funny, just today I was thinking, "We beat Buffalo a lot easier if Simms was healthy."</P>


I know it wasn't '86 that Simms had the most attempts. We did a lotmore running with Morris in '86. It was either '84 or '85. It was the year he cracked 4,000 yds. In 'those two years he threw a lot to Carpenter. When Carpenter was gone in '86 he didn't throw all that much to Morris.</P>


I'll say '85.</P>


it was 84 in the 86 Championship season...... week 2 i believe it was...vs. the Chargers..... Tony Galbreath had one pass attempt that was incomplete.... who was the receiver that dropped the ball?</P>


Hey, we're back!</P>


I don't remember, but I'll take a flier on Simms. And, if it was Simms, and he dropped it, he was probably tres' pi$$ed at the missed opportunity.</P>


damn Zimmy I swore I had you guys on this one...hahaha yeah it was Simms..... hit him right in the hands to.....</P>


YA... an easy mental process of elimination. I don't think you would have remembered if Tony had a pass dropped by Johnson, Bavaro, or Morris. I figured it stuck out in your mind because it <U>was</U> Simms. The great Trick Play and old Phil blew his chance. I guarantee that Phil can still remember that missed opportunity. </P>


Can you remember if the D had him covered if he did catch it? I can see him catching it and challenging any defender by putting his head down and plowing in to him. Phil had stones.</P>


One of my nightmares was from when Warner did the chicken slide at the 1 yard line and we didn't get a TD. If he had put his head down and kept running it was an Easy TD. Phil NEVER would have slid in that situation... well, maybe... AFTER he crossed the line.</P>

YATittle1962
08-12-2009, 05:34 PM
*** I think Eli is the most similar to Simms that we have seen. if Eli can just tighten up his ball....just a bit......I think he can surpass Simm...barring he stays healthy Now imagine a healthy Simms...all those years when he wasnt... if he wasnt hurt those years there is not a doubt in my mind that he would have a yellow blazer hanging in his closet right now. I also think that SB XXV would not have been nearly as close if he was healthy....no disrespect to Hoss. off the top of your head..... what year did Simms have the most pass attempts? I was one season late when I guessed..</P>


I agree about Eli tightening his spiral... absolutely necessary in cold and windy December.* Honestly, I can't understand why he can't, or doesn't. He definitely has big, strong hands.* When I played QB in HS it seemed easy to practice different grips to find the one that created the tightest spin. Sometimes I think Eli tries to put too much 'touch' on some passes, and this is when it has that little wobble... which becomes big wobble in the wind.</P>


Agree about Simms records if he hadn't been injured as much, ir stupidly relpaced as the starter. Funny, just today I was thinking, "We beat Buffalo a lot easier if Simms was healthy."</P>


I know it wasn't '86 that Simms had the most attempts.* We did a lot*more running with Morris in '86. It was either '84 or '85.* It was the year he cracked 4,000 yds.* In 'those two years he threw a lot to Carpenter.* When Carpenter was gone in '86 he didn't throw all that much to Morris.</P>


I'll say '85.</P>


it was 84 in the 86 Championship season...... week 2 i believe it was...vs. the Chargers..... Tony Galbreath had one pass attempt that was incomplete.... who was the receiver that dropped the ball?</P>


Hey, we're back!</P>


I don't remember, but I'll take a flier on Simms.* And, if it was Simms, and he dropped it, he was probably tres' pi$$ed at the missed opportunity.</P>


damn Zimmy I swore I had you guys on this one...hahaha yeah it was Simms..... hit him right in the hands to.....</P>


YA... an easy mental process of elimination.* I don't think you would have remembered if Tony had a pass dropped by Johnson, Bavaro, or Morris.* I figured it stuck out in your mind because it <U>was</U> Simms.* The great Trick Play and old Phil blew his chance.* I guarantee that Phil can still remember that missed opportunity.* </P>


Can you remember if the D had him covered if he did catch it?* I can see him catching it and challenging any defender by putting his head down and plowing in to him. Phil had stones.</P>


One of my nightmares was from when Warner did the chicken slide at the 1 yard line and we didn't get a TD. If he had put his head down and kept running it was an Easy TD.* Phil NEVER would have slid in that situation... well, maybe... AFTER he crossed the line.</P>

from what I remember Phil was all alone waiting for the ball.....

zimonami
08-12-2009, 06:12 PM
By the way, YA... I was going to suggest that we hook up before a game this year. But, with my wife's condition I have sold all my tickets to relatives for this season. It will be the first time in 41 years that I won't be going to any home games... bummer, but I wouldn't change my decision for anything. She and I will enjoy the games together on the TV, and I'll be thrilled to be with her.</P>


In fact, because of the uncertain future, I also had to decide about my new seats... PSL's, before this last payment was due, 8/1. I decided to let my relatives take them over. They're all youger, rabid Giant's fans, and appreciative of my decision. YET, they have assured me they'll let me get in a game next year at the new stadium. I'll probably choose a preseason game because I always have gone to them - anxious to see our depth, new FA's, and rooks. If I do go to one I will give you a heads up... OK? Don't know our location yet but we eschewed the $20,000 seats in favor of our first pick... Loge, and second pick, mezzanine. Have you looked at the virtual seating pics? The new Loge has a great view.</P>

YATittle1962
08-13-2009, 12:22 AM
what positions besides QB can you remember Hostetler playing ......just to get on the field?

we should absolutely hook up at a game Zimmy.......you tell me where and when and ill be there buddy

zimonami
08-13-2009, 02:30 AM
what positions besides QB can you remember Hostetler playing ......just to get on the field?

we should absolutely hook up at a game Zimmy.......you tell me where and when and ill be there buddy
</P>


I can only think of WR. I'm pretty sure he lined up there a few times, but never was thrown to. I thought of kicking and RB, but I don't think he did.</P>


Here's a kinda trick question... who owns the all time yards/punt average. He only punted 9 times, so it's not like it was a whole season, but his average was 50.6.</P>


Who owns the Giant yards/punt average for punters with more than 100 career punts</P>

jints10
08-13-2009, 04:36 AM
what positions besides QB can you remember Hostetler playing ......just to get on the field?

we should absolutely hook up at a game Zimmy.......you tell me where and when and ill be there buddy
</p>


I can only think of WR. I'm pretty sure he lined up there a few times, but never was thrown to. I thought of kicking and RB, but I don't think he did.</p>


Here's a kinda trick question... who owns the all time yards/punt average. He only punted 9 times, so it's not like it was a whole season, but his average was 50.6.</p>


Who owns the Giant yards/punt average for punters with more than 100 career punts</p>
Yea WR but I keep thinking he did actually catch a pass or two.

zimonami
08-13-2009, 12:19 PM
what positions besides QB can you remember Hostetler playing ......just to get on the field?

we should absolutely hook up at a game Zimmy.......you tell me where and when and ill be there buddy
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I can only think of WR. I'm pretty sure he lined up there a few times, but never was thrown to. I thought of kicking and RB, but I don't think he did.</P>


Here's a kinda trick question... who owns the all time yards/punt average. He only punted 9 times, so it's not like it was a whole season, but his average was 50.6.</P>


Who owns the Giant yards/punt average for punters with more than 100 career punts</P>



Yea WR but I keep thinking he did actually catch a pass or two.
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I just looked, jints, and he is not listed among receivers for having caught even a single pass, so I guess not. Would have been cool for him to catch a few.</P>

YATittle1962
08-13-2009, 01:21 PM
what positions besides QB can you remember Hostetler playing ......just to get on the field?

we should absolutely hook up at a game Zimmy.......you tell me where and when and ill be there buddy
</P>


I can only think of WR. I'm pretty sure he lined up there a few times, but never was thrown to. I thought of kicking and RB, but I don't think he did.</P>


Here's a kinda trick question... who owns the all time yards/punt average.* He only punted 9 times, so it's not like it was a whole season, but his average was 50.6.</P>


Who owns the Giant yards/punt average for punters with more than 100 career punts</P>

wow this is tough Zimmy...

but I think I know......

I remember reading recently that Ken Strong still holds most yds per punt as a Giant....

I only remember that cus when I read it I was thinking that I didnt even know Ken Strong punted....hahahaha

I always thought he was just a FB who plowed people over...

as for punt average with more than 100 punts....

Ill guess Landetta.....

may be wrong ..but its a safe guess :)


so yeah Hoss lined up at WR a few times....I remember him actually getting open to...he actually broke his leg playing receiver...

he was almost activated as a receiver for Superbowl XXI....but they had to put him on IR

Imagine that?

white boy had some speed

he also played Special Teams and even blocked a few punts....

I remember one he blocked specifically against the Eagles....I think it was in 86...

I remember thinking who the hell is that guy!

zimonami
08-13-2009, 02:26 PM
wow this is tough Zimmy... but I think I know...... I remember reading recently that Ken Strong still holds most yds per punt as a Giant.... I only remember that cus when I read it I was thinking that I didnt even know Ken Strong punted....hahahaha I always thought he was just a FB who plowed people over... as for punt average with more than 100 punts.... Ill guess Landetta..... may be wrong ..but its a safe guess :) so yeah Hoss lined up at WR a few times....I remember him actually getting open to...he actually broke his leg playing receiver... he was almost activated as a receiver for Superbowl XXI....but they had to put him on IR Imagine that? white boy had some speed he also played Special Teams and even blocked a few punts.... I remember one he blocked specifically against the Eagles....I think it was in 86... I remember thinking who the hell is that guy!</P>


Bingo on Ken Strong. Only 9 punts, but they were pretty good.</P>


Of course we've discussed Ernie Koy punting.</P>


The all-time leader:</P>


Koy, 223 punts, 38.5 avg; Mike Horan, 303 &amp; 42.1; Tom Landry, 338 &amp; 40.4; Brad Maynard, 380 &amp; 42.0; Feagles, 449 &amp; 41.3; Landeta, 526 &amp; 43.4; Jennings, 931 &amp; 41.7.</P>


The winner is: Don Chandler @ 525 and a 43.8 average.</P>


I don't remember Hoss breaking his leg at WR. I looked up our WR list... lists every single player that caught at least one pass. I could not find Hoss' name... so, I guess he didn't catch one. But, I do remember him lining up there and the announcers (Madden and Summerall, I think) commenting on it. I vaguely remember him blockinga punt. He was tall, pretty fast, and athletic. I was always happy to have him on our team.</P>

YATittle1962
08-13-2009, 02:40 PM
wow this is tough Zimmy... but I think I know...... I remember reading recently that Ken Strong still holds most yds per punt as a Giant.... I only remember that cus when I read it I was thinking that I didnt even know Ken Strong punted....hahahaha I always thought he was just a FB who plowed people over... as for punt average with more than 100 punts.... Ill guess Landetta..... may be wrong ..but its a safe guess :) so yeah Hoss lined up at WR a few times....I remember him actually getting open to...he actually broke his leg playing receiver... he was almost activated as a receiver for Superbowl XXI....but they had to put him on IR Imagine that? white boy had some speed he also played Special Teams and even blocked a few punts.... I remember one he blocked specifically against the Eagles....I think it was in 86... I remember thinking who the hell is that guy!</P>


Bingo on Ken Strong. Only 9 punts, but they were pretty good.</P>


Of course we've discussed Ernie Koy punting.</P>


The all-time leader:</P>


Koy, 223 punts, 38.5 avg;**** Mike Horan, 303 & 42.1;***** Tom Landry, 338 & 40.4;** Brad Maynard, 380 & 42.0;**** Feagles, 449 & 41.3;******* Landeta, 526 & 43.4;**** Jennings, 931 & 41.7.</P>


The winner is: Don Chandler @ 525 and a 43.8 average.</P>


I don't remember Hoss breaking his leg at WR. I looked up our WR list... lists every single player that caught at least one pass. I could not find Hoss' name... so, I guess he didn't catch one.* But, I do remember him lining up there and the announcers (Madden and Summerall, I think) commenting on it.* I vaguely remember him blocking*a punt.* He was tall, pretty fast, and athletic.* I was always happy to have him on our team.</P>

me to...

he was a hell of a football player.....

not just a QB.....football player.....


who has the most kick return yds/rt with more than 10 returns?

who has the most punt return yds/rt with more than 10 returns?



you may be surprised

zimonami
08-13-2009, 05:18 PM
me to... he was a hell of a football player..... not just a QB.....football player..... who has the most kick return yds/rt with more than 10 returns? who has the most punt return yds/rt with more than 10 returns? you may be surprised</P>


with only 10 returns it's probably some obscure name, so I do expect to be surprised, but I'll say Dave Meggett for punt returns and Emlen Tunnell for KO returns.</P>


I remember we had a decent returner in the early 60's... Clarence Childs. Also, Willie Ponder had some good KO returns and probably had a decent average.</P>


This should be interesting.</P>


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rbcarpenter
08-13-2009, 05:24 PM
what positions besides QB can you remember Hostetler playing ......just to get on the field?

we should absolutely hook up at a game Zimmy.......you tell me where and when and ill be there buddy
sorry to get in on the dicussion late,fellas,but i was away for a few days.i can recall hoss.at wr,and on special teams,not only was he the upright blocking back,i can remember him trying his hand at gunner for a while.[that didn't work out to well!lol!]

SEC105
08-13-2009, 05:29 PM
By the way, YA... I was going to suggest that we hook up before a game this year. But, with my wife's condition I have sold all my tickets to relatives for this season. It will be the first time in 41 years that I won't be going to any home games... bummer, but I wouldn't change my decision for anything. She and I will enjoy the games together on the TV, and I'll be thrilled to be with her.</P>


In fact, because of the uncertain future, I also had to decide about my new seats... PSL's, before this last payment was due, 8/1. I decided to let my relatives take them over. They're all youger, rabid Giant's fans, and appreciative of my decision. YET, they have assured me they'll let me get in a game next year at the new stadium. I'll probably choose a preseason game because I always have gone to them - anxious to see our depth, new FA's, and rooks. If I do go to one I will give you a heads up... OK? Don't know our location yet but we eschewed the $20,000 seats in favor of our first pick... Loge, and second pick, mezzanine. Have you looked at the virtual seating pics? The new Loge has a great view.</P>


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I'm back from fun long summer ,at least temporarily , a few more trips coming up. I was thinking about youZ while we were away and hope all is as best as it can in these tough times for you and your wifemy friend.Much respect for your decisionon the games and my prayers are with you guys. When you can make it to a game I'm all in and looking forward to it , whenever that may be. You're a good Man</P>

SEC105
08-13-2009, 05:34 PM
wow this is tough Zimmy... but I think I know...... I remember reading recently that Ken Strong still holds most yds per punt as a Giant.... I only remember that cus when I read it I was thinking that I didnt even know Ken Strong punted....hahahaha I always thought he was just a FB who plowed people over... as for punt average with more than 100 punts.... Ill guess Landetta..... may be wrong ..but its a safe guess :) so yeah Hoss lined up at WR a few times....I remember him actually getting open to...he actually broke his leg playing receiver... he was almost activated as a receiver for Superbowl XXI....but they had to put him on IR Imagine that? white boy had some speed he also played Special Teams and even blocked a few punts.... I remember one he blocked specifically against the Eagles....I think it was in 86... I remember thinking who the hell is that guy!</P>


Bingo on Ken Strong. Only 9 punts, but they were pretty good.</P>


Of course we've discussed Ernie Koy punting.</P>


The all-time leader:</P>


Koy, 223 punts, 38.5 avg; Mike Horan, 303 &amp; 42.1; Tom Landry, 338 &amp; 40.4; Brad Maynard, 380 &amp; 42.0; Feagles, 449 &amp; 41.3; Landeta, 526 &amp; 43.4; Jennings, 931 &amp; 41.7.</P>


The winner is: Don Chandler @ 525 and a 43.8 average.</P>


I don't remember Hoss breaking his leg at WR. I looked up our WR list... lists every single player that caught at least one pass. I could not find Hoss' name... so, I guess he didn't catch one. But, I do remember him lining up there and the announcers (Madden and Summerall, I think) commenting on it. I vaguely remember him blockinga punt. He was tall, pretty fast, and athletic. I was always happy to have him on our team.</P>


me to... he was a hell of a football player..... not just a QB.....football player..... who has the most kick return yds/rt with more than 10 returns? who has the most punt return yds/rt with more than 10 returns? you may be surprised</P>


I'll go with Clarence Childs on kick returns and Phil McConkey on punts off the top of my head. </P>

zimonami
08-13-2009, 07:44 PM
I'm back from fun long summer ,at least temporarily , a few more trips coming up. I was thinking about youZ while we were away and hope all is as best as it can in these tough times for you and your wifemy friend.Much respect for your decisionon the games and my prayers are with you guys. When you can make it to a game I'm all in and looking forward to it , whenever that may be. You're a good Man</P>


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Hey, sec... welcome back, and many thanks for your nice thoughts. I haven't mentioned Kris in a while on here, so I'll give the short update version. After her radiation her MRI showed that the largest, nearly 2" tumor, was reduced to 3/4". The other 4 are 1/2", and smaller. That's a really good result... but, they're still there. Another MRI coming up to see if they've grown, and then probably some localized radiation... like a pencil, aimed directly at the tumor.</P>


Her speech is still really bad, and will probably never get better. Can't complete a sentence and can't remember whar word she's trying to think of... but, I don't care, as long as she's with me. I have a lot of patience to help her figure out what she was trying to say. Her memory is bad, etc. She is very weak and doesn't do much excpet for a weekly trip with me to the grocery store. Her head feels bad sometimes, and she gets aches and pains in different spots. I must say I am incredibly proud of how she is handling it. This is a woman who has always complained about the merest discomfort. Anyways, we'll see if more radiation stalls it all, and maybe we'll be blessed with more than the 3-9 months left that her surgeon predicted. Again, thank you.</P>


My tickets are going to a nephew, a niece, my brother-in-law, and my oldest son. They have been getting a few tickets every year, but now they'll divvy up the 2 preseason and 2 regular season tix I always kept. Like I said... I'm thrilled to stay home and watch the games with kris. She is a diehard Giant fan. When we were first married ('67) she hated football. I took her to her first game in '76 at the new stadium. 19 rows up from the Giant bench, plus the binoculars, gave her a taste of what these guys looked like without their helmets. VanPelt, Kelley, and a few of the better looking players caught her eye and she was like, "Hmmm, these guys ain't too bad. They're human, and good looking. Her all time favorite is Simms. So, I quickly got her to understand the basics and now she is super with her knowledge. It's always fun to watch a game with her.</P>

jints10
08-13-2009, 08:04 PM
what positions besides QB can you remember Hostetler playing ......just to get on the field?

we should absolutely hook up at a game Zimmy.......you tell me where and when and ill be there buddy
</p>


I can only think of WR. I'm pretty sure he lined up there a few times, but never was thrown to. I thought of kicking and RB, but I don't think he did.</p>


Here's a kinda trick question... who owns the all time yards/punt average. He only punted 9 times, so it's not like it was a whole season, but his average was 50.6.</p>


Who owns the Giant yards/punt average for punters with more than 100 career punts</p>



Yea WR but I keep thinking he did actually catch a pass or two.
</p>


I just looked, jints, and he is not listed among receivers for having caught even a single pass, so I guess not. Would have been cool for him to catch a few.</p>
Rams at Giants Sept. 25, 1988 Hoss is credited for 1 catch for 10 yards.

YATittle1962
08-13-2009, 09:17 PM
**


I'm back from fun long summer ,*at least temporarily ,* a few more trips coming up. I was thinking about you*Z while we were away and hope all is as best as it can in these tough times for you and your wife*my friend.*Much respect for your decision*on the games and my prayers are with you guys. When you can make it to a game I'm all in and looking forward to it , whenever that may be. You're a good Man</P>


</P>


Hey, sec... welcome back, and many thanks for your nice thoughts.* I haven't mentioned Kris in a while on here, so I'll give the short update version.* After her radiation her MRI showed that the largest, nearly 2" tumor, was reduced to 3/4".* The other 4 are 1/2", and smaller. That's a really good result... but, they're still there.* Another MRI coming up to see if they've grown, and then probably some localized radiation... like a pencil, aimed directly at the tumor.</P>


Her speech is still really bad, and will probably never get better. Can't complete a sentence and can't remember whar word she's trying to think of... but, I don't care, as long as she's with me.* I have a lot of patience to help her figure out what she was trying to say.* Her memory is bad, etc. She is very weak and doesn't do much excpet for a weekly trip with me to the grocery store.* Her head feels bad sometimes, and she gets aches and pains in different spots.* I must say I am incredibly proud of how she is handling it.* This is a woman who has always complained about the merest discomfort. Anyways, we'll see if more radiation stalls it all, and maybe we'll be blessed with more than the 3-9 months left that her surgeon predicted.* Again, thank you.</P>


My tickets are going to a nephew, a niece, my brother-in-law, and my oldest son.* They have been getting a few tickets every year, but now they'll divvy up the 2 preseason and 2 regular season tix I always kept.* Like I said... I'm thrilled to stay home and watch the games with kris.* She is a diehard Giant fan.* When we were first married ('67) she hated football. I took her to her first game in '76 at the new stadium.* 19 rows up from the Giant bench, plus the binoculars, gave her a taste of what these guys looked like without their helmets.* VanPelt, Kelley, and a few of the better looking players caught her eye and she was like, "Hmmm, these guys ain't too bad.* They're human, and good looking.* Her all time favorite is Simms.* So, I quickly got her to understand the basics and now she is super with her knowledge. It's always fun to watch a game with her.</P>

Zim
im so glad you updated us...

I never wanted to over step my boundaries and ask about something you may not want to speak about.....

so glad to hear of some of the encouraging news

you and Kris are always in my thoughs

love how positive you are buddy

you are an inspiration to me

zimonami
08-13-2009, 09:24 PM
Rams at Giants Sept. 25, 1988 Hoss is credited for 1 catch for 10 yards.
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TY, jints. That's good to know. I'm going to go back and look at the list... maybe I jusr missed it., There were dozens, maybe a hundred guys credited with 1 and 2 catches. They had Simms down for 2 receptions</P>

YATittle1962
08-14-2009, 03:54 AM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon

highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck


what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?

zimonami
08-14-2009, 12:12 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>

YATittle1962
08-14-2009, 01:01 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon.* His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember.* I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>

it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha

zimonami
08-14-2009, 02:03 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>

jints10
08-14-2009, 02:28 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</p>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</p>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</p>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</p>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</p>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</p>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</p>
Was it the coin from the coin flip?

zimonami
08-14-2009, 02:39 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>



Was it the coin from the coin flip?
</P>


That would be a great souvenir</P>

SEC105
08-14-2009, 05:04 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>



Was it the coin from the coin flip?
</P>


That would be a great souvenir</P>


</P>


A 4 leaf clover ?[;)]</P>


I was away when theSteve McNair tradegety happened. What a shame. 3 QBs have passed for more than30,000 yards and run for more than 3,500. McNair was one. Of the the other 2 one was a Giant at one time. Please name the other 2</P>


Z</P>

jints10
08-14-2009, 05:23 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</p>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</p>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</p>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</p>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</p>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</p>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</p>



Was it the coin from the coin flip?
</p>


That would be a great souvenir</p>


</p>


A 4 leaf clover ?[;)]</p>


I was away when theSteve McNair tradegety happened. What a shame. 3 QBs have passed for more than30,000 yards and run for more than 3,500. McNair was one. Of the the other 2 one was a Giant at one time. Please name the other 2</p>
I'll say Tarkenton and Elway

SEC105
08-14-2009, 05:27 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>



Was it the coin from the coin flip?
</P>


That would be a great souvenir</P>


</P>


A 4 leaf clover ?[;)]</P>


I was away when theSteve McNair tradegety happened. What a shame. 3 QBs have passed for more than30,000 yards and run for more than 3,500. McNair was one. Of the the other 2 one was a Giant at one time. Please name the other 2</P>



I'll say Tarkenton and Elway
</P>


Fran the Man was one Jints 10 but Elway was not the other. The other guy was a SB winner</P>


Z</P>

keyofgmen
08-14-2009, 06:27 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon.* His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember.* I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?*A tooth filling he lost during the game?* Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>



Was it the coin from the coin flip?
</P>


That would be a great souvenir</P>


</P>


A 4 leaf clover ?[;)]</P>


I was away when the*Steve McNair tradegety happened. What a shame. 3 QBs have passed for more than*30,000 yards and run for more than 3,500. McNair was one. Of the the other 2 one was a Giant at one time. Please name the other 2*</P>



I'll say Tarkenton and Elway
</P>


Fran the Man was one Jints 10 but Elway was not the other. The other guy was a SB winner</P>


Z</P>

S Young?

zimonami
08-14-2009, 06:34 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>



Was it the coin from the coin flip?
</P>


That would be a great souvenir</P>


</P>


A 4 leaf clover ?[;)]</P>


I was away when theSteve McNair tradegety happened. What a shame. 3 QBs have passed for more than30,000 yards and run for more than 3,500. McNair was one. Of the the other 2 one was a Giant at one time. Please name the other 2</P>



I'll say Tarkenton and Elway
</P>


Fran the Man was one Jints 10 but Elway was not the other. The other guy was a SB winner</P>


Z</P>


</P>


I would have said Fran and Elway, too. SB winner? Has to be Young or Favre... I'll say, Brett... he had more yards to accumulate running yards</P>

keyofgmen
08-14-2009, 06:37 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon.* His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember.* I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?*A tooth filling he lost during the game?* Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>



Was it the coin from the coin flip?
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That would be a great souvenir</P>


</P>


A 4 leaf clover ?[;)]</P>


I was away when the*Steve McNair tradegety happened. What a shame. 3 QBs have passed for more than*30,000 yards and run for more than 3,500. McNair was one. Of the the other 2 one was a Giant at one time. Please name the other 2*</P>



I'll say Tarkenton and Elway
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Fran the Man was one Jints 10 but Elway was not the other. The other guy was a SB winner</P>


Z</P>


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I would have said Fran and Elway, too.* SB winner?* Has to be Young or Favre... I'll say, Brett... he had more yards to accumulate running yards</P>

Na Z, it's got to be Young

zimonami
08-14-2009, 08:10 PM
lol, key. I'll stick with Brett. He played 2-3 more years than Young.

keyofgmen
08-14-2009, 08:48 PM
lol, key.* I'll stick with Brett. He played 2-3 more years than Young.

OK.. I just looked it up (after the fact!)... not even close! I would not have thought this different.

Favre: 1829 yrds

Young: 4239 yrds

WOW

YATittle1962
08-14-2009, 09:06 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon.* His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember.* I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?*A tooth filling he lost during the game?* Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>

it was a gun....just laying there on the field amonst all those people....

a policeman had dropped it during the celebration....

McConkey saw it grabbed it and quickly gave it to an officer....

zimonami
08-14-2009, 11:13 PM
lol, key. I'll stick with Brett. He played 2-3 more years than Young. OK.. I just looked it up (after the fact!)... not even close! I would not have thought this different. Favre: 1829 yrds Young: 4239 yrds WOW</P>


Key... you are the man. geezuz, was I way off? I remember Young piling up yards every year... the Hi-Lite films were full of his scrambles... But, for some Alzheimer's reason I always thought Favre also got his scrambling yards. Of course, I should have also realized that in a 40 Favre was probably about a second slower than young...lol</P>


4239 is danged good for a QB.</P>

zimonami
08-14-2009, 11:51 PM
Zim im so glad you updated us... I never wanted to over step my boundaries and ask about something you may not want to speak about..... so glad to hear of some of the encouraging news you and Kris are always in my thoughs love how positive you are buddy you are an inspiration to me</P>


Geez, YA, I apologize... somehow I misssed seeing this until just now.</P>


Thank you, YA... your words are truly appreciated. What else can I say? You and the other guys here really make me feel goodwith your support and concern. I haven't wanted to make this a continuing saga, so I've avoided bringing it up.But, I dofeel more comfortable giving a little info here, on this thread,where we have a nice bunch of regulars that kinda feel like family. If it was on a more widely trafficked thread I'd be besieged with peoples heartfelt support and sympathy, and I'd feel odd for the attention.[:$] When the chips are down there are super people here, but somehowI'd feel funny drawing attention away from the reason whythey come here... toescape the hassles ofreal lifeand to discuss our Gmen. Many other people on here have their all-too-real and sad personal tragedies and never say a word, so I kinda think it's what I should also do.</P>


After Kris' next MRI I'll give you an update. [:)]</P>


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</P>

zimonami
08-15-2009, 02:37 AM
lol, key. I'll stick with Brett. He played 2-3 more years than Young. OK.. I just looked it up (after the fact!)... not even close! I would not have thought this different. Favre: 1829 yrds Young: 4239 yrds WOW</P>


The difference between 1800 and 4,200 yds? 1.38 Miles!</P>


I'm still blown awaywith my brain imagining that Favre had a lot of running yards. He played 18 years, so he only averaged 100 yds a season. Young averaged 280 yds/season in 15 years.</P>


Key, when you looked it up, did you notice which NFL QB has the most running yardage? Young?Vick? Hesurely will average more than 280 yds/season. He had that one year with over 1,000. But, I assume he needs more years. I'd love to see Joe Willie's yardage... I'd guess it is near the lowest.</P>

zimonami
08-15-2009, 02:46 AM
Vick is 380 yards behind Young, and about 1,080 behind the leader, Randall Cunningham with 4,928 yds. I forgot about old Randall.

zimonami
08-15-2009, 03:01 AM
Think of this:</P>


Joe Namath's all-time record is 62-63 -2. The Jets went to the playoffs <U>2 times in his 12 years</U> there. He won a SuperBowl and is in the HOF</P>


Eli is 42-29. He has helped the Giants to 4 consecutive playoffs in his 5 years. He won a Super Bowl, and to listen to a lot of people on here he belongs in the HOShame. LOL.</P>


Ya gotta think Joe Willie made it strictly on the overall historical importanceplaced on that one SB victory.</P>

MOOK3456
08-15-2009, 05:19 AM
Think of this:</p>


Joe Namath's all-time record is 62-63 -2. The Jets went to the playoffs <u>2 times in his 12 years</u> there. He won a SuperBowl and is in the HOF</p>


Eli is 42-29. He has helped the Giants to 4 consecutive playoffs in his 5 years. He won a Super Bowl, and to listen to a lot of people on here he belongs in the HOShame. LOL.</p>


Ya gotta think Joe Willie made it strictly on the overall historical importanceplaced on that one SB victory.</p>

Also amazingly enough his highest completion % was 52.9%

He also only threw for 4000 once (4007..same year as his percentage high)

His career passer rating is 65.5

Wanna know the absolute best part?

Career TD's 173

Career INT's 220

Yeah that Eli is horrible...

zimonami
08-15-2009, 11:21 AM
Think of this:</P>


Joe Namath's all-time record is 62-63 -2. The Jets went to the playoffs <U>2 times in his 12 years</U> there. He won a SuperBowl and is in the HOF</P>


Eli is 42-29. He has helped the Giants to 4 consecutive playoffs in his 5 years. He won a Super Bowl, and to listen to a lot of people on here he belongs in the HOShame. LOL.</P>


Ya gotta think Joe Willie made it strictly on the overall historical importanceplaced on that one SB victory.</P>




Also amazingly enough his highest completion % was 52.9%

He also only threw for 4000 once (4007..same year as his percentage high)

His career passer rating is 65.5

Wanna know the absolute best part?

Career TD's 173

Career INT's 220

Yeah that Eli is horrible...
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excellent points, Mook. He had several years with less than 50%. I was going to point that out but didn't, only because you were allowed to mug the WR's back in those days. When Ben Davidson broke Namath's jaw it was a good 2 seconds after he released the pass... no flag. lol </P>

keyofgmen
08-15-2009, 03:15 PM
Vick is 380 yards behind Young, and about 1,080 behind the leader, Randall Cunningham with 4,928 yds. I forgot about old Randall.*

Speaking of running Qbs...I need help. I'm drawing a blank on a QB that played for Bears..tough guy that ran alot. 1970's. Was my brothers' favorite. Bobby something..ARGHH??

keyofgmen
08-15-2009, 03:18 PM
Vick is 380 yards behind Young, and about 1,080 behind the leader, Randall Cunningham with 4,928 yds. I forgot about old Randall.*

Speaking of running Qbs...I need help. I'm drawing a blank on a QB that played for Bears..tough guy that ran alot. 1970's. Was my brothers' favorite. Bobby something..ARGHH??

I just remembered! Can anyone else get him?

BigBlue1971
08-15-2009, 09:05 PM
Vick is 380 yards behind Young, and about 1,080 behind the leader, Randall Cunningham with 4,928 yds. I forgot about old Randall. Speaking of running Qbs...I need help. I'm drawing a blank on a QB that played for Bears..tough guy that ran alot. 1970's. Was my brothers' favorite. Bobby something..ARGHH?? I just remembered! Can anyone else get him?</P>


</P>


yeah i remember him, bobby douglas was a real running qb, elusive as a cat!</P>

YATittle1962
08-15-2009, 09:53 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon.* His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember.* I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?*A tooth filling he lost during the game?* Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>

it was a gun....just laying there on the field amonst all those people....

a policeman had dropped it during the celebration....

McConkey saw it grabbed it and quickly gave it to an officer....

zimonami
08-15-2009, 11:54 PM
the highest kick yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns- Domenik Hixon highest punt yd/ret for a returner with more than 10 returns-tie between Tuffy Leemans and George Franck what odd item did Phil McConkey find on the field during the post game celebration if Superbowl XXI?</P>


Wow, Hixon. His name never crossed my mind for this</P>


Leemans and Franck... not surprised, but my brian wouldn't let me go that far back.</P>


I remember hearing about this happening... but, I don't remember. I'll say a St. Christopher medal...lol</P>


it wasnt a medal.....but what he found was metal...hahaha</P>


Heads Up penny? A key to a new Vet?A tooth filling he lost during the game? Some babe's room key?</P>


C'mon YA... I'm dying to know... and, to see if it will renew my failing memory... I know I heard this one many years ago.</P>


it was a gun....just laying there on the field amonst all those people.... a policeman had dropped it during the celebration.... McConkey saw it grabbed it and quickly gave it to an officer....</P>


TY, YA. Yes, I remember the gun now that you jogged the memory. McConk had to have a creepy feeling seeing that on the field.</P>


</P>

rbcarpenter
08-16-2009, 12:35 AM
Vick is 380 yards behind Young, and about 1,080 behind the leader, Randall Cunningham with 4,928 yds. I forgot about old Randall.* Speaking of running Qbs...I need help. I'm drawing a blank on a QB that played for Bears..tough guy that ran alot. 1970's. Was my brothers' favorite. Bobby something..ARGHH?? I just remembered! Can anyone else get him?</P>


*</P>


yeah i remember him, bobby douglas was a real running qb, elusive as a cat!</P>here's a good one for the younger guys:who was the journeyman qb for the bears that defeated the giants in the 1963 championship game?

zimonami
08-16-2009, 03:30 AM
Vick is 380 yards behind Young, and about 1,080 behind the leader, Randall Cunningham with 4,928 yds. I forgot about old Randall. Speaking of running Qbs...I need help. I'm drawing a blank on a QB that played for Bears..tough guy that ran alot. 1970's. Was my brothers' favorite. Bobby something..ARGHH?? I just remembered! Can anyone else get him?</P>


</P>


yeah i remember him, bobby douglas was a real running qb, elusive as a cat!</P>


here's a good one for the younger guys:who was the journeyman qb for the bears that defeated the giants in the 1963 championship game?</P>


Younger guys, rbc? Didn't you mean older guys? The young guys wouldn't know 1963.</P>


Anyways, I was 17 then, and old enough to remember how painful another championship loss felt... it was Bill Wade. He was a 1st rnd pick the year before, and he never did much, but the bear Defense was great, so he didn't have to be great. I know that loss crushed YA, who felt we should have won. Tittle set an NFL TD record that year and our offense was awesome. It was a bummer.</P>

keyofgmen
08-16-2009, 09:14 PM
off another thread..

What team did Pete Gogolak come from to go to the Giants? Important because it started a new era in football.

Also...for the younger crowd... what else is he famous for??? (as in the 1st)

YATittle1962
08-16-2009, 09:19 PM
off another thread..

What team did Pete Gogolak come from to go to the Giants? Important because it started a new era in football.

Also...for the younger crowd... what else is he famous for??? (as in the 1st)

Pete came to us from the Bills...in 66 i think...it was a bit controversial because it was before the merger and the 2 leagues were in competition

he was the first soccer style kicker...

and a damn good one

keyofgmen
08-16-2009, 09:21 PM
off another thread..

What team did Pete Gogolak come from to go to the Giants? Important because it started a new era in football.

Also...for the younger crowd... what else is he famous for??? (as in the 1st)

Pete came to us from the Bills...


he was the first soccer style kicker...

and a damn good one

YA.. that was too easy for you. I was hoping some other folks to try!

YATittle1962
08-16-2009, 09:23 PM
off another thread..

What team did Pete Gogolak come from to go to the Giants? Important because it started a new era in football.

Also...for the younger crowd... what else is he famous for??? (as in the 1st)

Pete came to us from the Bills...


he was the first soccer style kicker...

and a damn good one

YA.. that was too easy for you. I was hoping some other folks to try!

as I was typing I was thinking I should leave this alone...

shoulda went with my gut....

give us another one..... :) and ill leave it so maybe we can lure some young bucks in here

keyofgmen
08-16-2009, 09:24 PM
off another thread..

What team did Pete Gogolak come from to go to the Giants? Important because it started a new era in football.

Also...for the younger crowd... what else is he famous for??? (as in the 1st)

Pete came to us from the Bills...


he was the first soccer style kicker...

and a damn good one

YA.. that was too easy for you. I was hoping some other folks to try!

What was his brothers name and what NFC East team did he kick for??

zimonami
08-16-2009, 11:58 PM
off another thread.. What team did Pete Gogolak come from to go to the Giants? Important because it started a new era in football. Also...for the younger crowd... what else is he famous for??? (as in the 1st) Pete came to us from the Bills... he was the first soccer style kicker... and a damn good one YA.. that was too easy for you. I was hoping some other folks to try! What was his brothers name and what NFC East team did he kick for??</P>


I waited over 2 hours for someone else to answer this, key.</P>


Charlie... Redskins</P>


Pete and Charlie were on opposite sides of the field in the highest scoring game in NFL history...</P>


sadly, Skins 72 - Gmen 41</P>

keyofgmen
08-17-2009, 12:13 AM
off another thread.. What team did Pete Gogolak come from to go to the Giants? Important because it started a new era in football. Also...for the younger crowd... what else is he famous for??? (as in the 1st) Pete came to us from the Bills... he was the first soccer style kicker... and a damn good one YA.. that was too easy for you. I was hoping some other folks to try! What was his brothers name and what NFC East team did he kick for??</P>


I waited over 2 hours for someone else to answer this, key.</P>


Charlie... Redskins</P>


Pete and Charlie were on opposite sides of the field in the highest scoring game in NFL history...</P>


sadly, Skins 72 - Gmen 41</P>

absolutely great that some of us remember this kind of stuff! The younger crowd on this board will someday say the same...

YATittle1962
08-17-2009, 01:45 AM
in 2037......this thread will still be going and one of the questions will be....

30 years ago in Superbowl 42.....

the play before the final TD...

what rookie WR caught a 12 yd pass on 3rd and 11 to set up that final TD?

:)

hopefully one of my grandchildren will be here to answer it with the quickness........

zimonami
08-17-2009, 02:04 AM
in 2037......this thread will still be going and one of the questions will be.... 30 years ago in Superbowl 42..... the play before the final TD... what rookie WR caught a 12 yd pass on 3rd and 11 to set up that final TD? :) hopefully one of my grandchildren will be here to answer it with the quickness........</P>


lol... that's good, and too true... the young guys here will become us.The new young guys on the boards willbe complaining that the old timers ought to make more noise at the stadium, the world has passed them by, and the game has changed and not like it was back in the dark ages of 2007.</P>


Of course, I'll be dead, or drooling on myself...lol.</P>


I wonder who the oldest, regular board member is? Anyone know the answer to that question? hahaha... you won't find it in Wiki, or Giant's history.</P>

YATittle1962
08-17-2009, 02:26 AM
in 2037......this thread will still be going and one of the questions will be.... 30 years ago in Superbowl 42..... the play before the final TD... what rookie WR caught a 12 yd pass on 3rd and 11 to set up that final TD? :) hopefully one of my grandchildren will be here to answer it with the quickness........</P>


lol... that's good, and too true... the young guys here will become us.**The new young guys on the boards will*be complaining that the old timers ought to make more noise at the stadium, the world has passed them by, and the game has changed and not like it was back in the dark ages of 2007.</P>


Of course, I'll be dead, or drooling on myself...lol.</P>


I wonder who the oldest, regular board member is?* Anyone know the answer to that question?* hahaha... you won't find it in Wiki, or Giant's history.</P>

hell yeah Zim

you and I will be long gone and they will be complaining about Brunner .....Graham..... Kanell ....and Brown,,the way we talk about Wood ....Morton ,,,,,and Pisarcik.....

i doubt they will go through a drought like we lived through though.....at least I hope not

I sure hope these young guys are loving the game and burning it into their memories the way we did.....

the first game I took my son to was the Cardinal game in 81...Simms threw 3 TDs.........my son can tell you everything that happened in that game.........he was 7......2 years younger than I was when my dad took me to Yankee Stadium to see the Giants beat the Skins....

and his sons first game was last season...we took him to watch the G men whoop up on the Seahawks......hes 11

looks like he will carry on the tradition.....he is obsessed right now with the teams of the 80s...and constantly asks questions...

Im always glad to answer....

I think we actually found out who the oldest on the boards was...

it was in a thread where everyone was telling their age a few months back....

cant remember who it was...

was a fella I think who was 69 or 70

zimonami
08-17-2009, 03:11 AM
hell yeah Zim you and I will be long gone and they will be complaining about Brunner .....Graham..... Kanell ....and Brown,,the way we talk about Wood ....Morton ,,,,,and Pisarcik..... i doubt they will go through a drought like we lived through though.....at least I hope not I sure hope these young guys are loving the game and burning it into their memories the way we did..... the first game I took my son to was the Cardinal game in 81...Simms threw 3 TDs.........my son can tell you everything that happened in that game.........he was 7......2 years younger than I was when my dad took me to Yankee Stadium to see the Giants beat the Skins.... and his sons first game was last season...we took him to watch the G men whoop up on the Seahawks......hes 11 looks like he will carry on the tradition.....he is obsessed right now with the teams of the 80s...and constantly asks questions... Im always glad to answer.... I think we actually found out who the oldest on the boards was... it was in a thread where everyone was telling their age a few months back.... cant remember who it was... was a fella I think who was 69 or 70</P>


Funny, YA... the first game I took my oldest son to was in 1976, at the new stadium, late November... we beat Seattle. We only won 3 games that year and he saw 2 of them (beat Detroit in the next home game, in December). Aunt Jean decided to let me take him because she was getting to old to sit in the cold. He was 8. </P>


He probably watched every Giant game on TV from about 3 years old.In fact, between watching on TV or going to a game, I don't think he has ever missed a game. He and I went together to XXV in Tampa. We drove... 20+ hours down, and back, and we probably talked Giants for 99% of that trip. When he was a kid I always told him that if he knew his studies as well as he knew the Giants, he would be straight 'A'. He was also with meat the Herm Edwards/Philly loss in '78. I don't think we spoke at all during the 1 hour trip home. He'll be 41 early November and has 1/4 of the PSL. My youngest son, 37, loves the Giants but is not as rabid. I took him to his first game when he was about 11.</P>


Also funny, we are guardians for my youngest son's 16 year old daughter. She's been living with us for 13 years and has never watched a single minute of a game... she hates football... she hates all sports for that matter. Too, bad. I always tell her she doesn't know what she is missing and she just grimaces at me like I'm looney. (I can't use that word without thinking about Joe Don...lol)</P>

zimonami
08-18-2009, 10:09 AM
Needed to bump this to get it up on my active list.</P>


Last night?</P>


I wanted to look at O Line depth. I wasn't pleased. IMO this is the one area where we can't afford injuries.</P>


We'll have to see if Barden and Nicks get any PT with Eli on the field in upcoming preseason games. Otherwise they'll have to impress with Carr and the second O Line group.</P>


They can shelve trying Moss at Punt return. He had no juice once he caught the ball... thought he was taken down way to easy.</P>


Some said Tyree missed the block assignment that led to the punt block. I wasn't sure. Anyone know for sure? If so, that will surely hurt his chances.</P>


</P>

YATittle1962
08-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Needed to bump this to get it up on my active list.</P>


Last night?</P>


I wanted to look at O Line depth.* I wasn't pleased. IMO this is the one area where we can't afford injuries.</P>


We'll have to see if Barden and Nicks get any PT with Eli on the field in upcoming preseason games. Otherwise they'll have to impress with Carr and the second O Line group.</P>


They can shelve trying Moss at Punt return.* He had no juice once he caught the ball... thought he was taken down way to easy.</P>


Some said Tyree missed the block assignment that led to the punt block.* I wasn't sure. Anyone know for sure?* If so, that will surely hurt his chances.</P>


*</P>

that cat came without being touched....noone was even looking at him....

great move by Feagles to knock it out of the endzone......

speaking of punts.....

remember the 85 playoff game against the Bears....

what was significant about one of Landetas "punts"?

who scored on that play?

zimonami
08-18-2009, 05:12 PM
Needed to bump this to get it up on my active list.</P>


Last night?</P>


I wanted to look at O Line depth. I wasn't pleased. IMO this is the one area where we can't afford injuries.</P>


We'll have to see if Barden and Nicks get any PT with Eli on the field in upcoming preseason games. Otherwise they'll have to impress with Carr and the second O Line group.</P>


They can shelve trying Moss at Punt return. He had no juice once he caught the ball... thought he was taken down way to easy.</P>


Some said Tyree missed the block assignment that led to the punt block. I wasn't sure. Anyone know for sure? If so, that will surely hurt his chances.</P>


</P>


that cat came without being touched....noone was even looking at him.... great move by Feagles to knock it out of the endzone...... speaking of punts..... remember the 85 playoff game against the Bears.... what was significant about one of Landetas "punts"? who scored on that play?</P>


The Whiff? I don't remember who scored, but I could quickly find it. In any case, it, and the unforced fumble by Carpenter (I guess things get paid back... like Jerry Rice's unforced fumble for us) were the major faux pas on our part. But, knowing we could have stayed with them in that game, without the errors, made me believe at that moment that we would win it all in '86. We were still getting better in '85.</P>


I've seen the video of the Whiff, from many angles, and I'm not sure if he dropped it crooked, or if the wind actually did move it, but for a great punter like Landeta, it was a disaster.</P>


I know the guy who blocked Feagles punt was untouched, and I didn't see anyone even close that appeared to be responsible, but many of the guys on the game thread said it was Tyree's fault. Honestly, I hope not, cuz it will just make it that much more difficult to make the squad. He did play well, as usual, on other ST's, and had a reception... but the handwriting is there. And, Moss stinks at punt returns... gets taken down easily, so those two are on the bubble, in my estimation.</P>

zimonami
08-18-2009, 09:31 PM
YA --- go to the last page of the thread, "Eli ranked #6", and tell me if I've got Tommy Ribs by the short hairs.

YATittle1962
08-18-2009, 09:36 PM
Needed to bump this to get it up on my active list.</P>


Last night?</P>


I wanted to look at O Line depth.* I wasn't pleased. IMO this is the one area where we can't afford injuries.</P>


We'll have to see if Barden and Nicks get any PT with Eli on the field in upcoming preseason games. Otherwise they'll have to impress with Carr and the second O Line group.</P>


They can shelve trying Moss at Punt return.* He had no juice once he caught the ball... thought he was taken down way to easy.</P>


Some said Tyree missed the block assignment that led to the punt block.* I wasn't sure. Anyone know for sure?* If so, that will surely hurt his chances.</P>


*</P>


that cat came without being touched....noone was even looking at him.... great move by Feagles to knock it out of the endzone...... speaking of punts..... remember the 85 playoff game against the Bears.... what was significant about one of Landetas "punts"? who scored on that play?</P>


The Whiff?* I don't remember who scored, but I could quickly find it. In any case, it, and the unforced fumble by Carpenter (I guess things get paid back... like Jerry Rice's unforced fumble for us) were the major faux pas on our part.* But, knowing we could have stayed with them in that game, without the errors, made me believe at that moment that we would win it all in '86.* We were still getting better in '85.</P>


I've seen the video of the Whiff, from many angles, and I'm not sure if he dropped it crooked, or if the wind actually did move it, but for a great punter like Landeta, it was a disaster.</P>


I know the guy who blocked Feagles punt was untouched, and I didn't see anyone even close that appeared to be responsible, but many of the guys on the game thread said it was Tyree's fault.* Honestly, I hope not, cuz it will just make it that much more difficult to make the squad.* He did play well, as usual, on other ST's, and had a reception... but the handwriting is there.* And, Moss stinks at punt returns... gets taken down easily, so those two are on the bubble, in my estimation.</P>

couldnt agree more...

I think Tyree is gone.....and its a coin flip between Moss and Hagen......

that whiff was so unlike Landeta.......

I remember really feeling that we could hang with the Bears that day.......it just wasnt in the cards......

like the 63 game

oh yeah it was Shaun Gayle who got credited with a "punt return"...hahahahaha

zimonami
08-18-2009, 11:12 PM
couldnt agree more... I think Tyree is gone.....and its a coin flip between Moss and Hagen...... that whiff was so unlike Landeta....... I remember really feeling that we could hang with the Bears that day.......it just wasnt in the cards...... like the 63 game oh yeah it was Shaun Gayle who got credited with a "punt return"...hahahahaha</P>


Was he credited with a punt return? Should have been fumble return, although I guess since Landeta swung his leg, it was called a punt</P>

YATittle1962
08-19-2009, 02:50 AM
couldnt agree more... I think Tyree is gone.....and its a coin flip between Moss and Hagen...... that whiff was so unlike Landeta....... I remember really feeling that we could hang with the Bears that day.......it just wasnt in the cards...... like the 63 game oh yeah it was Shaun Gayle who got credited with a "punt return"...hahahahaha</P>


Was he credited with a punt return?* Should have been fumble return, although I guess since Landeta swung his leg, it was called a punt</P>

yup......credited with a punt return....

I agree should be fumble recovery....

I remember reading about in the locker room after the game Simms felt like he was off the hook cus all the media was surrounding Landetas locker.....he asked one of the guys why they were around his locker...Phil said...he cant help the punt got blocked.....and they were like....he whiffed you didnt know?

hahaha Phil had no idea

Roswell777
08-20-2009, 06:54 PM
Hey guys. What's up? I don't have a trivia question, or maybe I do and I just don't realize it. Anyway, it's 2 parts.

1. When was the last friggin' time the Giants faked a punt or a FG?
2. When was the last time they tried an option pass?

PS I don't have the answer to either question but if there's an answer, you guys will know it.

rbcarpenter
08-20-2009, 07:00 PM
Vick is 380 yards behind Young, and about 1,080 behind the leader, Randall Cunningham with 4,928 yds. I forgot about old Randall.* Speaking of running Qbs...I need help. I'm drawing a blank on a QB that played for Bears..tough guy that ran alot. 1970's. Was my brothers' favorite. Bobby something..ARGHH?? I just remembered! Can anyone else get him?</P>


*</P>


yeah i remember him, bobby douglas was a real running qb, elusive as a cat!</P>


here's a good one for the younger guys:who was the journeyman qb for the bears that defeated the giants in the 1963 championship game?</P>


Younger guys, rbc?* Didn't you mean older guys?* The young guys wouldn't know 1963.</P>


Anyways, I was 17 then, and old enough to remember how painful another championship loss felt... it was Bill Wade.* He was a 1st rnd pick the year before, and he never did much, but the bear Defense was great, so he didn't have to be great.* I know that loss crushed YA, who felt we should have won.* Tittle set an NFL TD record that year and our offense was awesome.* It was a bummer.</P>actually,zim,i did want the younger guys to give it a shot or look it up,just to show them you don't need a superstud qb to win it all.sometimes it just has to be the right guy at the right time.no biggie,tho,bro.

rbcarpenter
08-20-2009, 07:09 PM
Hey guys.* What's up?* I don't have a trivia question, or maybe I do and I just don't realize it.* Anyway, it's 2 parts.

1.* When was the last friggin' time the Giants faked a punt or a FG?
2.* When was the last time they tried an option pass?

PS* I don't have the answer to either question but if there's an answer, you guys will know it.


last fake fg i REMEMBER was against the eagles in 86,but that can't be right.....last fake punt i remember was in 98,brad maynard,0 for 1.if you mean a half back option,ty wheatley 1 of 1 for 24 yrds and a td in 96.

zimonami
08-20-2009, 08:31 PM
Hey guys. What's up? I don't have a trivia question, or maybe I do and I just don't realize it. Anyway, it's 2 parts.

1. When was the last friggin' time the Giants faked a punt or a FG?
2. When was the last time they tried an option pass?

PS I don't have the answer to either question but if there's an answer, you guys will know it.


last fake fg i REMEMBER was against the eagles in 86,but that can't be right.....last fake punt i remember was in 98,brad maynard,0 for 1.if you mean a half back option,ty wheatley 1 of 1 for 24 yrds and a td in 96.</P>


1) Hey, Roswell. Good to see you back</P>


2) I was going to say '86 on the fake FG, but thoughtthat had to be too long ago. RBC had the guts to say it... hope he is right, but don't know how to confirm. Also I wouldn't have known on the fake punt. Again, I think we triedone in '86. I'm also brain dead on the last option pass. I think it's been a while. RBC could be very right on Wheatley.</P>


3) RBC - sorry about me answering the Billy Wade question. I wish more younger guys would come here. And, I wouldn't care if they looked up the answers. They'd learn a little about our past and we'd have more followers. I think they stay away because they don't know the answers to the old games. Too bad. If someone answers off the top of their head... good work. If they have to look it up, still good work.</P>

YATittle1962
08-21-2009, 12:32 AM
heres one to lure the young cats........

2000 season......divisional playoff game vs Ealges........actually in Jan, of 01.......

who scored the Giants 2 TDs?

Roswell777
08-21-2009, 06:45 PM
heres one to lure the young cats........

2000 season......divisional playoff game vs Ealges........actually in Jan, of 01.......

who scored the Giants 2 TDs?

Sehorn had that interception vs the Eagles. I think that was 2000. For some reason, I'm thinking Ron Dixon returned a kickoff. These are guesses. It could have been 2002 with Dixon. That guy had so much potential. Then again, so did Zeno, Thompson, Alford, Lewis, the list goes on....

keyofgmen
08-21-2009, 06:51 PM
1990 NFC Championship game. G Reasons ran for like 20 yrds for 1st down against 49ers on fake punt. Remember that. I think there has been one since, but....

zimonami
08-21-2009, 07:14 PM
1990 NFC Championship game. G Reasons ran for like 20 yrds for 1st down against 49ers on fake punt. Remember that. I think there has been one since, but....</P>


good... thanks for the memory jog. I was there, and still forgot. A great day.</P>

YATittle1962
08-21-2009, 10:30 PM
Im thirsty for a great question.....

whos got one?.....

key....i know you got something up your sleeve :)

lawl
08-21-2009, 10:41 PM
Im thirsty for a great question.....

whos got one?.....

key....i know you got something up your sleeve :)


In 2002 last game of the season against the Eagles, the win and in game...how many times did tiki barber fumble in the redzone/goalline?

YATittle1962
08-21-2009, 10:44 PM
Im thirsty for a great question.....

whos got one?.....

key....i know you got something up your sleeve :)


In 2002 last game of the season against the Eagles, the win and in game...how many times did tiki barber fumble in the redzone/goalline?



pretty sure he lost 3.....

dont remember if there were more that he didnt lose

jints10
08-21-2009, 10:45 PM
I think it was 5 fumbles not sure how many were in the red zone

rocky325
08-21-2009, 10:46 PM
Hope this wasn't asked already (this thread is huge).


What movie was Ernie "Big Wheel" Wheelright in?

YATittle1962
08-21-2009, 10:54 PM
Hope this wasn't asked already (this thread is huge).


What movie was Ernie "Big Wheel" Wheelright in?

he was in the Longest Yard and some lame cowboy movie I cant remember the name of

rocky325
08-21-2009, 10:58 PM
The original "Longest Yard" with Burt Reynolds is correct. He played on the convicts team.



How many other NFL'ers can anyone name from that movie.


Joe Kapp, former Minnnesota Viking for one....he was the prison guard's QB

zimonami
08-21-2009, 11:43 PM
The original "Longest Yard" with Burt Reynolds is correct. He played on the convicts team. How many other NFL'ers can anyone name from that movie. Joe Kapp, former Minnnesota Viking for one....he was the prison guard's QB</P>


Ray Nitschke, too. </P>

rocky325
08-21-2009, 11:47 PM
The original "Longest Yard" with Burt Reynolds is correct. He played on the convicts team. How many other NFL'ers can anyone name from that movie. Joe Kapp, former Minnnesota Viking for one....he was the prison guard's QB</P>


Ray Nitschke, too.* </P>


Yup.....Nitschke was there. wasn't there at least one or two more?

zimonami
08-22-2009, 01:40 AM
I think it was 5 fumbles not sure how many were in the red zone
</P>


you could be right, jints, cuz we had 6-7 fumbles that game. That was before Tiki's fumbling problems were fixed...lol</P>

zimonami
08-22-2009, 01:43 AM
The original "Longest Yard" with Burt Reynolds is correct. He played on the convicts team. How many other NFL'ers can anyone name from that movie. Joe Kapp, former Minnnesota Viking for one....he was the prison guard's QB</P>


Ray Nitschke, too. </P>


Yup.....Nitschke was there. wasn't there at least one or two more?</P>


I'm sure you are right, rocky, but I just looked up the cast on imdb and couldn't spot any others. I would have said Ben Davidson, and maybe Jack Youngblood, buttheir name weren't there. That movie's been on a few times recently... I'll try to catch it and see</P>

lawl
08-22-2009, 04:34 AM
I think it was 5 fumbles not sure how many were in the red zone
</p>


you could be right, jints, cuz we had 6-7 fumbles that game. That was before Tiki's fumbling problems were fixed...lol</p>

i could be wrong but that was the only game i went to in giants stadium and i was 13 at the time but im sure that tiki fumbled 3 times 2 of which were in obvious scoring position. It's a good thing Akers missed the field goal at the end of regulation to balance things out, that game shouldve been a 38-13 giants win but we had to go to overtime.

keyofgmen
08-22-2009, 11:06 AM
We are all aware of our current Division opponents, since the Cardinals left in 2002.
Since Dallas entered in 1960 there have been 3 seasons that we have NOT been in the same division. What were the 3 years and what was the the name of the division that the Giants were placed in for 2 of those 3 years? Hint: there was a stretch where the Giants were in 4 differently named divisions in 5 years. Can you name them in order?

Even if ya have to look it up..good history for younger posters. I suspect YA and ZIM might know off the top! I made one mistake in my own recall, so lucky I confirmed before posting!

jints10
08-22-2009, 11:20 AM
I think it was 5 fumbles not sure how many were in the red zone
</p>


you could be right, jints, cuz we had 6-7 fumbles that game. That was before Tiki's fumbling problems were fixed...lol</p>

i could be wrong but that was the only game i went to in giants stadium and i was 13 at the time but im sure that tiki fumbled 3 times 2 of which were in obvious scoring position. It's a good thing Akers missed the field goal at the end of regulation to balance things out, that game shouldve been a 38-13 giants win but we had to go to overtime.

Just went and looked it up
Giants had 7 fumbles(sheesh) with 3 lost. Didnt say how many were in the redzone though
I'll take your word it was 2

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 12:56 PM
We are all aware of our current Division opponents, since the Cardinals left in 2002.
Since Dallas entered in 1960 there have been 3 seasons that we have NOT been in the same division. What were the 3 years and what was the the name of the division that the Giants were placed in for 2 of those 3 years? Hint: there was a stretch where the Giants were in 4 differently named divisions in 5 years. Can you name them in order?

Even if ya have to look it up..good history for younger posters. I suspect YA and ZIM might know off the top! I made one mistake in my own recall, so lucky I confirmed before posting!

Im not completely sure I understand the question...

but the divisions I remember were....

NFL East
NFL Century ...some where in the late sixties
NFL Capital....also late sixties

then I think they became NFC East in 1970 after the merger

Zimmy help em out

keyofgmen
08-22-2009, 01:38 PM
We are all aware of our current Division opponents, since the Cardinals left in 2002.
Since Dallas entered in 1960 there have been 3 seasons that we have NOT been in the same division. What were the 3 years and what was the the name of the division that the Giants were placed in for 2 of those 3 years? Hint: there was a stretch where the Giants were in 4 differently named divisions in 5 years. Can you name them in order?

Even if ya have to look it up..good history for younger posters. I suspect YA and ZIM might know off the top! I made one mistake in my own recall, so lucky I confirmed before posting!

Im not completely sure I understand the question...

but the divisions I remember were....

NFL East
NFL Century ...some where in the late sixties
NFL Capital....also late sixties

then I think they became NFC East in 1970 after the merger

Zimmy help em out

So far so good. You got the 4 divisions in the correct order.

There were 3 years the Giants and Cowboys were NOT in same division. 1st was 1960 when Cowboys were 1st in. They were in NFL WEST. They were switched to NFL EAST the next year. Then the divisions you got correct in... CENTURY and CAPITAL came into play. The Giants were switched around, thus creating 2 more years the 2 teams were not in same division. I'm looking for the years and the "switches" made for the Giants.

rocky325
08-22-2009, 02:06 PM
What former Giant lineman had a semi regular gig for a season or two on the "Rockford Files"?

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 02:24 PM
We are all aware of our current Division opponents, since the Cardinals left in 2002.
Since Dallas entered in 1960 there have been 3 seasons that we have NOT been in the same division. What were the 3 years and what was the the name of the division that the Giants were placed in for 2 of those 3 years? Hint: there was a stretch where the Giants were in 4 differently named divisions in 5 years. Can you name them in order?

Even if ya have to look it up..good history for younger posters. I suspect YA and ZIM might know off the top! I made one mistake in my own recall, so lucky I confirmed before posting!

Im not completely sure I understand the question...

but the divisions I remember were....

NFL East
NFL Century ...some where in the late sixties
NFL Capital....also late sixties

then I think they became NFC East in 1970 after the merger

Zimmy help em out

So far so good. You got the 4 divisions in the correct order.

There were 3 years the Giants and Cowboys were NOT in same division. 1st was 1960 when Cowboys were 1st in. They were in NFL WEST. They were switched to NFL EAST the next year. Then the divisions you got correct in... CENTURY and CAPITAL came into play. The Giants were switched around, thus creating 2 more years the 2 teams were not in same division. I'm looking for the years and the "switches" made for the Giants.

Ill guess 1967 to NFL Century ...and 1969 to NFL Capitol...

I have a feeling Zimmy might know this

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 02:34 PM
What former Giant lineman had a semi regular gig for a season or two on the "Rockford Files"?

I never watched the show but Ill take a wild guess...

Ill say one of these guys....

Rosey Grier or Fred Dryer....

complete wild guesses based on knowing they went into acting...

good question though

rocky325
08-22-2009, 02:38 PM
What former Giant lineman had a semi regular gig for a season or two on the "Rockford Files"?

I never watched the show but Ill take a wild guess...

Ill say one of these guys....

Rosey Grier or Fred Dryer....

complete wild guesses based on knowing they went into acting...

good question though



You got it........it was Rosey Grier. It will steal some thunder from the next question but here goes.


What did Fred Dryer and Rosie Grier have in common OTHER than playing for the Giants and entering show business?

zimonami
08-22-2009, 03:55 PM
What former Giant lineman had a semi regular gig for a season or two on the "Rockford Files"? I never watched the show but Ill take a wild guess... Ill say one of these guys.... Rosey Grier or Fred Dryer.... complete wild guesses based on knowing they went into acting... good question though You got it........it was Rosey Grier. It will steal some thunder from the next question but here goes. What did Fred Dryer and Rosie Grier have in common OTHER than playing for the Giants and entering show business?</P>


This one is really hard, rocky. Other than that their names both end in 'er', I can't figure it out. I even went to Wiki and couldn't find anything in common.</P>


Question: What NFL record did Fred Dryer set in 1973 that still stands (will be a tough one to break)</P>

rocky325
08-22-2009, 04:02 PM
What former Giant lineman had a semi regular gig for a season or two on the "Rockford Files"? I never watched the show but Ill take a wild guess... Ill say one of these guys.... Rosey Grier or Fred Dryer.... complete wild guesses based on knowing they went into acting... good question though You got it........it was Rosey Grier. It will steal some thunder from the next question but here goes. What did Fred Dryer and Rosie Grier have in common OTHER than playing for the Giants and entering show business?</P>


This one is really hard, rocky. Other than that their names both end in 'er', I can't figure it out.* I even went to Wiki and couldn't find anything in common.</P>


Question:* What NFL record did Fred Dryer set in 1973 that still stands (will be a tough one to break)</P>



Ouch!! I thought this might have been the easier question than the TV series. You'll probably kick yourself.


They both also played for the then Los Angeles Rams in addition to being Giants.

rocky325
08-22-2009, 04:06 PM
What former Giant lineman had a semi regular gig for a season or two on the "Rockford Files"? I never watched the show but Ill take a wild guess... Ill say one of these guys.... Rosey Grier or Fred Dryer.... complete wild guesses based on knowing they went into acting... good question though You got it........it was Rosey Grier. It will steal some thunder from the next question but here goes. What did Fred Dryer and Rosie Grier have in common OTHER than playing for the Giants and entering show business?</P>


This one is really hard, rocky. Other than that their names both end in 'er', I can't figure it out.* I even went to Wiki and couldn't find anything in common.</P>


Question:* What NFL record did Fred Dryer set in 1973 that still stands (will be a tough one to break)</P>



Thank goodness for Wiki.......he sacked two Green bay QB's for safeties in the same game....Scott Hubter and Jim DelGaizo. Without Wiki I would never ever have gotten that one

rocky325
08-22-2009, 04:08 PM
What former Giant CB earned the nickname "Toast"?

zimonami
08-22-2009, 04:13 PM
We are all aware of our current Division opponents, since the Cardinals left in 2002. Since Dallas entered in 1960 there have been 3 seasons that we have NOT been in the same division. What were the 3 years and what was the the name of the division that the Giants were placed in for 2 of those 3 years? Hint: there was a stretch where the Giants were in 4 differently named divisions in 5 years. Can you name them in order? Even if ya have to look it up..good history for younger posters. I suspect YA and ZIM might know off the top! I made one mistake in my own recall, so lucky I confirmed before posting! Im not completely sure I understand the question... but the divisions I remember were.... NFL East NFL Century ...some where in the late sixties NFL Capital....also late sixties then I think they became NFC East in 1970 after the merger Zimmy help em out So far so good. You got the 4 divisions in the correct order. There were 3 years the Giants and Cowboys were NOT in same division. 1st was 1960 when Cowboys were 1st in. They were in NFL WEST. They were switched to NFL EAST the next year. Then the divisions you got correct in... CENTURY and CAPITAL came into play. The Giants were switched around, thus creating 2 more years the 2 teams were not in same division. I'm looking for the years and the "switches" made for the Giants. Ill guess 1967 to NFL Century ...and 1969 to NFL Capitol... I have a feeling Zimmy might know this</P>


Yeah, these were confusing years. NFL was all messed up changing things around in the late 60's</P>


up until '66, NFL - eastern Div</P>


then, in '67 they were in the Eastern Conference, Century Division</P>


then, in '68 thery were in the Eastern Conference, Capitol Division</P>


then, in '69 they were back to the Century Division. At this time they still were called NFL and AFL</P>


then, in '70 they switched to NFC and AFC and the Giants were in the Eastern Division.</P>


Of course, weren't we informally called the Black and Blue Divison for a while?</P>

zimonami
08-22-2009, 04:17 PM
What former Giant lineman had a semi regular gig for a season or two on the "Rockford Files"? I never watched the show but Ill take a wild guess... Ill say one of these guys.... Rosey Grier or Fred Dryer.... complete wild guesses based on knowing they went into acting... good question though You got it........it was Rosey Grier. It will steal some thunder from the next question but here goes. What did Fred Dryer and Rosie Grier have in common OTHER than playing for the Giants and entering show business?</P>


This one is really hard, rocky. Other than that their names both end in 'er', I can't figure it out. I even went to Wiki and couldn't find anything in common.</P>


Question: What NFL record did Fred Dryer set in 1973 that still stands (will be a tough one to break)</P>


Thank goodness for Wiki.......he sacked two Green bay QB's for safeties in the same game....Scott Hubter and Jim DelGaizo. Without Wiki I would never ever have gotten that one</P>


lol, rocky... the Wiki page was still hot when you got there... where do you think I found the question? ... when I was trying to find a commonality between Rosie and Fred.</P>


Safeties are rare enough that it might be a while before someone else gets 2 in a game.</P>

keyofgmen
08-22-2009, 04:40 PM
We are all aware of our current Division opponents, since the Cardinals left in 2002. Since Dallas entered in 1960 there have been 3 seasons that we have NOT been in the same division. What were the 3 years and what was the the name of the division that the Giants were placed in for 2 of those 3 years? Hint: there was a stretch where the Giants were in 4 differently named divisions in 5 years. Can you name them in order? Even if ya have to look it up..good history for younger posters. I suspect YA and ZIM might know off the top! I made one mistake in my own recall, so lucky I confirmed before posting! Im not completely sure I understand the question... but the divisions I remember were.... NFL East NFL Century ...some where in the late sixties NFL Capital....also late sixties then I think they became NFC East in 1970 after the merger Zimmy help em out So far so good. You got the 4 divisions in the correct order. There were 3 years the Giants and Cowboys were NOT in same division. 1st was 1960 when Cowboys were 1st in. They were in NFL WEST. They were switched to NFL EAST the next year. Then the divisions you got correct in... CENTURY and CAPITAL came into play. The Giants were switched around, thus creating 2 more years the 2 teams were not in same division. I'm looking for the years and the "switches" made for the Giants. Ill guess 1967 to NFL Century ...and 1969 to NFL Capitol... I have a feeling Zimmy might know this</P>


Yeah, these were confusing years.* NFL was all messed up changing things around in the late 60's</P>


up until '66,* NFL - eastern Div</P>


then, in '67 they were in the Eastern Conference, Century Division</P>


then, in '68 thery were in the Eastern Conference, Capitol Division</P>


then, in '69 they were back to the Century Division. At this time they still were called NFL and AFL</P>


then, in '70 they switched to NFC and AFC and the Giants were in the Eastern Division.</P>


Of course, weren't we informally called the Black and Blue Divison for a while?</P>

There ya go. I kinda liked the 5 team per division days.

jints10
08-22-2009, 04:44 PM
What former Giant CB earned the nickname "Toast"?

Elvis Patterson

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 04:46 PM
We are all aware of our current Division opponents, since the Cardinals left in 2002. Since Dallas entered in 1960 there have been 3 seasons that we have NOT been in the same division. What were the 3 years and what was the the name of the division that the Giants were placed in for 2 of those 3 years? Hint: there was a stretch where the Giants were in 4 differently named divisions in 5 years. Can you name them in order? Even if ya have to look it up..good history for younger posters. I suspect YA and ZIM might know off the top! I made one mistake in my own recall, so lucky I confirmed before posting! Im not completely sure I understand the question... but the divisions I remember were.... NFL East NFL Century ...some where in the late sixties NFL Capital....also late sixties then I think they became NFC East in 1970 after the merger Zimmy help em out So far so good. You got the 4 divisions in the correct order. There were 3 years the Giants and Cowboys were NOT in same division. 1st was 1960 when Cowboys were 1st in. They were in NFL WEST. They were switched to NFL EAST the next year. Then the divisions you got correct in... CENTURY and CAPITAL came into play. The Giants were switched around, thus creating 2 more years the 2 teams were not in same division. I'm looking for the years and the "switches" made for the Giants. Ill guess 1967 to NFL Century ...and 1969 to NFL Capitol... I have a feeling Zimmy might know this</P>


Yeah, these were confusing years.* NFL was all messed up changing things around in the late 60's</P>


up until '66,* NFL - eastern Div</P>


then, in '67 they were in the Eastern Conference, Century Division</P>


then, in '68 thery were in the Eastern Conference, Capitol Division</P>


then, in '69 they were back to the Century Division. At this time they still were called NFL and AFL</P>


then, in '70 they switched to NFC and AFC and the Giants were in the Eastern Division.</P>


Of course, weren't we informally called the Black and Blue Divison for a while?</P>

wow I didnt realize it went back to Century again after Capitol...

those years were crazy.....

the late 60s in general were just off the wall.....

I often wonder if we have ever crossed paths through the years Zim...either at a Giant game or somewhere else.....

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 04:49 PM
What former Giant CB earned the nickname "Toast"?

Elvis Patterson


yeah ole Elvis sure earned that name.....

much more recently I used to call Will Allen and Will Peterson the Toast Twins.....

i never felt like they could cover anyone.......

if I had a dime for every ball that hit Will Allen in the hands then hit the ground......I would buy all of our PSL

rocky325
08-22-2009, 05:20 PM
What former Giant CB earned the nickname "Toast"?

Elvis Patterson


yeah ole Elvis sure earned that name.....

much more recently I used to call Will Allen and Will Peterson the Toast Twins.....

i never felt like they could cover anyone.......

if I had a dime for every ball that hit Will Allen in the hands then hit the ground......I would buy all of our PSL


JInts10 got Elvis all right.......but the two Wills!! They came so highly touted that everyone figured we were set at CB.....one couldn't cover if he had a blanket and the other had hands of stone.

rocky325
08-22-2009, 05:22 PM
Speaking of DB's...here's an easy one....even the young studs can get this.



Which star Giant CB broke his leg when asked to return a punt?

rocky325
08-22-2009, 05:24 PM
Before coming to the Giants, Rosey Grier played on a defensive line with a nickname.....what was it?

zimonami
08-22-2009, 05:39 PM
Before coming to the Giants, Rosey Grier played on a defensive line with a nickname.....what was it?</P>


Fearsome Foursome with the Rams after the Giants... but, before the Giants it was Penn State... they had a nickname? I'm stumped.</P>


Glad to have you here, rocky, you've brought a whole new line of questions for us.</P>

rocky325
08-22-2009, 06:09 PM
Before coming to the Giants, Rosey Grier played on a defensive line with a nickname.....what was it?</P>


Fearsome Foursome with the Rams after the Giants... but, before the Giants it was Penn State... they had a nickname?* I'm stumped.</P>


Glad to have you here, rocky, you've brought a whole new line of questions for us.</P>



Thanks a lot.


Man I'm completely stumped with the Penn State question.

zimonami
08-22-2009, 06:12 PM
wow I didnt realize it went back to Century again after Capitol... those years were crazy..... the late 60s in general were just off the wall..... I often wonder if we have ever crossed paths through the years Zim...either at a Giant game or somewhere else.....</P>


Chances that we've walked right past each other have to be good, YA, since we've both been to hundreds of home games.</P>


Hey, I loved the late 60's. Yeah, the NFL was confused then, changing divisions around every year... they weren't quite sure how they wanted teams aligned before the inevitable merger. But, hey, the football was really great back then. CB's could mug WR's and you could break Joe Namath's jaw 2 seconds after he relased a pass and not draw a flag. Both leagues had great QB's, RB's and WR's. As I posted in another thread, there were 10 HOF QB's playing in '70.... probably 9 in '68, '69 cuz Bradshaw was drafted in '70.</P>


Besides my Giants, I was a big fan of the AFL... loved the 2 pt. conversion. loved to see the confusion of where a college athlete would go - AFLor NFL. Namath getting the highest rookie contract ever, and then the Giants trumped that with Tucker's contract. A guy would be drafted in the 1st round by one league and, since rumor had it that he would go to that team, the other league would eventually draft him in a 5th or 6th round, just to cover their bases.</P>


In the AFLI rooted for the Jets, but some of the greatest games ever were the Raiders and Chiefs. That, to me, was one of the greatest rivalries ever. Their hatred for each other was real. One of the greatest on field fights was in one of their games. Blanda subbed for a hurt Lamonica, and someone on theChiefs laid a late hit on the Old Manwhen he was scrambling out of bounds. Both benches emptied and there were a dozen intense fights that the refs were powerless to stop. </P>


Since I hated Baltimore for beating us in '58, it was easy for me to root for the Jets in SBIII.</P>


The greatest fight I ever sawat a gamewasbetween the Giants and Jets fans at the Yale Bowl, preseason, 1969. In that game both teams played their first teams for the entire game. Bragging rights in NY were on the line, and the Jets had just won the SB. The dozens of fights in the stands were so intense that the players were watching between plays. Literally thousands of fans were displaced from their seats as the fighters rolled down the concrete steps that were the seats.</P>


</P>

rocky325
08-22-2009, 06:13 PM
Before coming to the Giants, Rosey Grier played on a defensive line with a nickname.....what was it?</P>


Fearsome Foursome with the Rams after the Giants... but, before the Giants it was Penn State... they had a nickname?* I'm stumped.</P>


Glad to have you here, rocky, you've brought a whole new line of questions for us.</P>



Hey by the way, You've got the Rams nickname right but I think you've got Rosie's career backwards although I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure we GOT Rosie from the Rams. It gets confusing when tied in with Fred Dryer as Fred left the Giants and went TO the Rams.





Maybe somebody can confirm that for me.

rocky325
08-22-2009, 06:18 PM
wow I didnt realize it went back to Century again after Capitol... those years were crazy..... the late 60s in general were just off the wall..... I often wonder if we have ever crossed paths through the years Zim...either at a Giant game or somewhere else.....</P>


Chances that we've walked right past each other have to be good, YA, since we've both been to hundreds of home games.</P>


Hey, I loved the late 60's.* Yeah, the NFL was confused then, changing divisions around every year... they weren't quite sure how they wanted teams aligned before the inevitable merger. But, hey, the football was really great back then. CB's could mug WR's and you could break Joe Namath's jaw 2 seconds after he relased a pass and not draw a flag.* Both leagues had great QB's, RB's and WR's. As I posted in another thread, there were 10 HOF QB's playing in '70.... probably 9 in '68, '69 cuz Bradshaw was drafted in '70.</P>


Besides my Giants, I was a big fan of the AFL... loved the 2 pt. conversion. loved to see the confusion of where a college athlete would go - *AFL*or NFL.* Namath getting the highest rookie contract ever, and then the Giants trumped that with Tucker's contract.* A guy would be drafted in the 1st round by one league and, since rumor had it that he would go to that team, the other league would eventually draft him in a 5th or 6th round, just to cover their bases.</P>


In the AFL*I rooted for the Jets, but some of the greatest games ever were the Raiders and Chiefs.*** That, to me, was one of the greatest rivalries ever. Their hatred for each other was real. One of the greatest on field fights was in one of their games.* Blanda subbed for a hurt Lamonica, and someone on the*Chiefs laid a late hit on the Old Man*when he was scrambling out of bounds. Both benches emptied and there were a dozen intense fights that the refs were powerless to stop.* </P>


Since I hated Baltimore for beating us in '58, it was easy for me to root for the Jets in SBIII.</P>


The greatest fight I ever saw*at a game*was*between the Giants and Jets fans at the Yale Bowl, preseason, 1969.* In that game both teams played their first teams for the entire game. Bragging rights in NY were on the line, and the Jets had just won the SB.* The dozens of fights in the stands were so intense that the players were watching between plays.* Literally thousands of fans were displaced from their seats as the fighters rolled down the concrete steps that were the seats.</P>


*</P>



Wow....the good old AFL. I LOVED the AFL before the merger. Since I have always been a Giant fan, it allowed me to watch the AFL and not get all bent out of shape as to who won or lost.



There were some great football players of NFL caliber playing in the AFL.......Billy Cannon for Houston.......George Blanda in Oakland.......KC, Buffalo, and the Pats were great fun to watch in those days.

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 06:58 PM
wow I didnt realize it went back to Century again after Capitol... those years were crazy..... the late 60s in general were just off the wall..... I often wonder if we have ever crossed paths through the years Zim...either at a Giant game or somewhere else.....</P>


Chances that we've walked right past each other have to be good, YA, since we've both been to hundreds of home games.</P>


Hey, I loved the late 60's.* Yeah, the NFL was confused then, changing divisions around every year... they weren't quite sure how they wanted teams aligned before the inevitable merger. But, hey, the football was really great back then. CB's could mug WR's and you could break Joe Namath's jaw 2 seconds after he relased a pass and not draw a flag.* Both leagues had great QB's, RB's and WR's. As I posted in another thread, there were 10 HOF QB's playing in '70.... probably 9 in '68, '69 cuz Bradshaw was drafted in '70.</P>


Besides my Giants, I was a big fan of the AFL... loved the 2 pt. conversion. loved to see the confusion of where a college athlete would go - *AFL*or NFL.* Namath getting the highest rookie contract ever, and then the Giants trumped that with Tucker's contract.* A guy would be drafted in the 1st round by one league and, since rumor had it that he would go to that team, the other league would eventually draft him in a 5th or 6th round, just to cover their bases.</P>


In the AFL*I rooted for the Jets, but some of the greatest games ever were the Raiders and Chiefs.*** That, to me, was one of the greatest rivalries ever. Their hatred for each other was real. One of the greatest on field fights was in one of their games.* Blanda subbed for a hurt Lamonica, and someone on the*Chiefs laid a late hit on the Old Man*when he was scrambling out of bounds. Both benches emptied and there were a dozen intense fights that the refs were powerless to stop.* </P>


Since I hated Baltimore for beating us in '58, it was easy for me to root for the Jets in SBIII.</P>


The greatest fight I ever saw*at a game*was*between the Giants and Jets fans at the Yale Bowl, preseason, 1969.* In that game both teams played their first teams for the entire game. Bragging rights in NY were on the line, and the Jets had just won the SB.* The dozens of fights in the stands were so intense that the players were watching between plays.* Literally thousands of fans were displaced from their seats as the fighters rolled down the concrete steps that were the seats.</P>


*</P>

Zimmy its crazy you mention that game.....

just last night a buddy of mine and I were having some beers and talking about old Giant games......

he and I met in the mid 70s in the music industry so we didnt know each other in 69.....

he mentioned that game.....

I remember that weekend well...I was at Woodstock....I was 16 years old .......

I thought I was just going to see the Who and I would be back in time to go to the Yale Bowl with my old man to see the Giants play the Champion Jets....

to no surprise this little concert turned out to be the ridiculous legendary Woodstock and I never made it home until monday afternoon......my old man wanted to kill me by the way.....

but after he and my uncle got home they were talking about all these fights around the stadium...

and my buddy had just mentioned it last night.....he said a woman right near him got knocked out cold by accident when the guy he was trying to hit ducked....

oh the late 60s and early 70s........there will never again in this country be a time like there was between the day Kennedy was assassinated and the day Nixon resigned......

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 06:59 PM
Before coming to the Giants, Rosey Grier played on a defensive line with a nickname.....what was it?</P>


Fearsome Foursome with the Rams after the Giants... but, before the Giants it was Penn State... they had a nickname?* I'm stumped.</P>


Glad to have you here, rocky, you've brought a whole new line of questions for us.</P>



Hey by the way, You've got the Rams nickname right but I think you've got Rosie's career backwards although I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure we GOT Rosie from the Rams. It gets confusing when tied in with Fred Dryer as Fred left the Giants and went TO the Rams.





Maybe somebody can confirm that for me.

Rosey went to the Rams after the Giants...

we got Robustelli from the Rams

maybe thats what you are thinking of?

rocky325
08-22-2009, 07:30 PM
Before coming to the Giants, Rosey Grier played on a defensive line with a nickname.....what was it?</P>


Fearsome Foursome with the Rams after the Giants... but, before the Giants it was Penn State... they had a nickname?* I'm stumped.</P>


Glad to have you here, rocky, you've brought a whole new line of questions for us.</P>



Hey by the way, You've got the Rams nickname right but I think you've got Rosie's career backwards although I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure we GOT Rosie from the Rams. It gets confusing when tied in with Fred Dryer as Fred left the Giants and went TO the Rams.





Maybe somebody can confirm that for me.

Rosey went to the Rams after the Giants...

we got Robustelli from the Rams

maybe thats what you are thinking of?



Yup that's probably it. I wasn't too sure about Rosey, but remember Fred leaving to go to the Rams. If I remember Fred was a first round draft pick for us and the media went nuts on the Giant FO because he was considered too underweight. And yes he was, but he was also fast as lightning for a DE and the O linemen couldn't handle his speed to the QB

zimonami
08-22-2009, 07:56 PM
oh the late 60s and early 70s........there will never again in this country be a time like there was between the day Kennedy was assassinated and the day Nixon resigned......\</P>


Wow, YA... I couldn't agree with you more. Those were excellent years for sports, Rock 'n Roll, advances in technologies, and all happening during the hated Viet Nam War. MLK... RFK </P>


Started HS in '60 and graduated college in '68... Every summer spent caddying for really excellent money at a private GC.... getting a deep tan and keeping in shape walking with 2 heavy bags... golf carts were fairly new, and our members rode in them, while the caddies still toted. Girls, Beer parties, the beach, portable radios...lol. NY drinking age of 18 and I had a bar I could go to when I was 14, and several more when I was 16. Iwould live those years over again in a minute... a stupendous time to be young.</P>

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 08:00 PM
oh the late 60s and early 70s........there will never again in this country be a time like there was between the day Kennedy was assassinated and the day Nixon resigned......\</P>


Wow, YA... I couldn't agree with you more.* Those were excellent years for sports, Rock 'n Roll, advances in technologies, and all happening during the hated Viet Nam War.* MLK... RFK </P>


Started HS in '60 and graduated college in '68... Every summer spent caddying for really excellent money at a private GC.... getting a deep tan and keeping in shape walking with 2 heavy bags... golf carts were fairly new, and our members rode in them, while the caddies still toted. * Girls, Beer parties, the beach, portable radios...lol. NY drinking age of 18 and I had a bar I could go to when I was 14, and several more when I was 16.* I*would live those years over again in a minute... a stupendous time to be young.</P>

I as well Zim would go back in a second.....

and the funny thing is....I dont think I would do one thing differently,......

zimonami
08-22-2009, 08:12 PM
Yup that's probably it. I wasn't too sure about Rosey, but remember Fred leaving to go to the Rams. If I remember Fred was a first round draft pick for us and the media went nuts on the Giant FO because he was considered too underweight. And yes he was, but he was also fast as lightning for a DE and the O linemen couldn't handle his speed to the QB</P>


I never quite understood why Dryer didn't enjoy being a Giant... whether it was the press being critical , or he just couldn't take being on a bad team. We just got rid of Allie when he was drafted, '69, with an old stalwart, Webster, at the helm. '69 we were 6-8. but '70 we were 9-5 and everyone thought we were on the way back up again. Then '71 was bad at 4-10, and Freddy wanted out. I kind of resented him for not wanting to help us get back on track.</P>


He was fast, and strong fora 225-230 Lb DE.</P>

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 08:30 PM
* Yup that's probably it. I wasn't too sure about Rosey, but remember Fred leaving to go to the Rams. If I remember Fred was a first round draft pick for us and the media went nuts on the Giant FO because he was considered too underweight. And yes he was, but he was also fast as lightning for a DE and the O linemen couldn't handle his speed to the QB</P>


I never quite understood why Dryer didn't enjoy being a Giant... whether it was the press being critical , or he just couldn't take being on a bad team.* We just got rid of Allie when he was drafted, '69, with an old stalwart, Webster, at the helm.* '69 we were 6-8. but '70 we were 9-5 and everyone thought we were on the way back up again.* Then '71 was bad at 4-10, and Freddy wanted out.* I kind of resented him for not wanting to help us get back on track.</P>


He was fast, and strong for*a 225-230 Lb DE.</P>

I thought 1970 was our year....

we looked good after we beat the Eagles in week 4 and went on a streak....

I was really pulling for Webster....

thinking of 1970 made me think of Clifton McNeil...

you guys remember him.....

what current Giant wears the number McNeil wore as a Giant?

zimonami
08-22-2009, 08:47 PM
I thought 1970 was our year.... we looked good after we beat the Eagles in week 4 and went on a streak.... I was really pulling for Webster.... thinking of 1970 made me think of Clifton McNeil... you guys remember him..... what current Giant wears the number McNeil wore as a Giant?</P>


Is that #85... Tyree?</P>


I'm gonna have to catch this game on the Game Channel. Not on NFL Channel until tomorrow at 7PM... bummer</P>

rbcarpenter
08-22-2009, 11:34 PM
* Yup that's probably it. I wasn't too sure about Rosey, but remember Fred leaving to go to the Rams. If I remember Fred was a first round draft pick for us and the media went nuts on the Giant FO because he was considered too underweight. And yes he was, but he was also fast as lightning for a DE and the O linemen couldn't handle his speed to the QB</P>


I never quite understood why Dryer didn't enjoy being a Giant... whether it was the press being critical , or he just couldn't take being on a bad team.* We just got rid of Allie when he was drafted, '69, with an old stalwart, Webster, at the helm.* '69 we were 6-8. but '70 we were 9-5 and everyone thought we were on the way back up again.* Then '71 was bad at 4-10, and Freddy wanted out.* I kind of resented him for not wanting to help us get back on track.</P>


He was fast, and strong for*a 225-230 Lb DE.</P>

I thought 1970 was our year....

we looked good after we beat the Eagles in week 4 and went on a streak....

I was really pulling for Webster....

thinking of 1970 made me think of Clifton McNeil...

you guys remember him.....

what current Giant wears the number McNeil wore as a Giant?hakeem nicks,#18.

YATittle1962
08-22-2009, 11:42 PM
* Yup that's probably it. I wasn't too sure about Rosey, but remember Fred leaving to go to the Rams. If I remember Fred was a first round draft pick for us and the media went nuts on the Giant FO because he was considered too underweight. And yes he was, but he was also fast as lightning for a DE and the O linemen couldn't handle his speed to the QB</P>


I never quite understood why Dryer didn't enjoy being a Giant... whether it was the press being critical , or he just couldn't take being on a bad team.* We just got rid of Allie when he was drafted, '69, with an old stalwart, Webster, at the helm.* '69 we were 6-8. but '70 we were 9-5 and everyone thought we were on the way back up again.* Then '71 was bad at 4-10, and Freddy wanted out.* I kind of resented him for not wanting to help us get back on track.</P>


He was fast, and strong for*a 225-230 Lb DE.</P>

I thought 1970 was our year....

we looked good after we beat the Eagles in week 4 and went on a streak....

I was really pulling for Webster....

thinking of 1970 made me think of Clifton McNeil...

you guys remember him.....

what current Giant wears the number McNeil wore as a Giant?hakeem nicks,#18.

yup # 18 Hakeem Nicks


and Zimmy dont bother watching.....trust me

zimonami
08-23-2009, 01:02 AM
yup # 18 Hakeem Nicks and Zimmy dont bother watching.....trust me</P>


I did watch on a feed from a Chicago station... it was Justin TV...? It was a terrible broadcast on the computer, constantly breaking up, etc. </P>


I've mentioned 1973... 6-0 in preseason and 2-11-1 in regular season. I'm not concerned for many reasons, but the thing that gets me maddest is the NFL scheduling. A Moday night game and then a Saturday night game... away. These guys should not have to play a game on 3 days rest. This is not baseball. The Bears had the normal rest since they played last Saturday.</P>


The good thing about tonight is that it is still about blocking anf tackling and the coaches will be able to review the tape and see who did OK, and who didn't. Plus, it will keep the team humble and the coaches will use it as needed to ream out some regulars who played bad.</P>


Oh, my... take a deep breath. We'll be fine.</P>

Roswell777
08-24-2009, 10:51 AM
yup # 18 Hakeem Nicks and Zimmy dont bother watching.....trust me</p>


I did watch on a feed from a Chicago station... it was Justin TV...? It was a terrible broadcast on the computer, constantly breaking up, etc. </p>


I've mentioned 1973... 6-0 in preseason and 2-11-1 in regular season. I'm not concerned for many reasons, but the thing that gets me maddest is the NFL scheduling. A Moday night game and then a Saturday night game... away. These guys should not have to play a game on 3 days rest. This is not baseball. The Bears had the normal rest since they played last Saturday.</p>


The good thing about tonight is that it is still about blocking anf tackling and the coaches will be able to review the tape and see who did OK, and who didn't.<font size="5"> Plus, it will keep the team humble and the coaches will use it as needed to ream out some regulars who played bad.</font></p>


Oh, my... take a deep breath. <font size="5">We'll be fine</font>.</p>

I totally agree. The best thing that could happen to a defense is to get undressed in the preseason and realize it's all about effort.

zimonami
08-24-2009, 04:08 PM
With all this BS about the preseason loss to the Bears, let me ask you all a silly question.</P>


Was there ever a significant preseason game played by the Giants? Or, perhaps, what was the most significant preseason game ever played by the Giants?</P>


Name it, and give your reasons. As for me, I say Yes, there was One. I think it will be the same game that you all choose, if you do choose one.</P>


And, you can go all the way back to the '68 when I went to my first preseason game at Yale Bowl, and have attended most home preseason games since then.</P>


</P>

zimonami
08-24-2009, 05:26 PM
Who was Albie Booth, and what is his link to the Giants?

YATittle1962
08-24-2009, 10:08 PM
Who was Albie Booth, and what is his link to the Giants?

I have been doing my best to stay away from the boards because of the overflow of hatred about the Bears game....

its exactly what i expected......even though I wasnt happy with it..I dont need to hear these looneys cry about it constantly like this is the first time they have ever watched football in their lives....

I would have liked to see a little progress though....cant say that performance was encouraging in that department....

anyway.......Albie Booth......I know he was a small guy who played for Yale.....at least I think it was Yale.....pretty sure he died when I was just a boy......not sure what his connection to the Giants is....im very curious.....maybe he played for them in the 30s or something? not sure....

zimonami
08-24-2009, 10:40 PM
Who was Albie Booth, and what is his link to the Giants? I have been doing my best to stay away from the boards because of the overflow of hatred about the Bears game.... its exactly what i expected......even though I wasnt happy with it..I dont need to hear these looneys cry about it constantly like this is the first time they have ever watched football in their lives.... I would have liked to see a little progress though....cant say that performance was encouraging in that department.... anyway.......Albie Booth......I know he was a small guy who played for Yale.....at least I think it was Yale.....pretty sure he died when I was just a boy......not sure what his connection to the Giants is....im very curious.....maybe he played for them in the 30s or something? not sure....</P>


Albie was quite a RB for Yale... all 144 pounds of him, and he is in the College Football Hall of Fame. This link has some of the great games he had.</P>


http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=30147</P>


He died in '59, at 51 years of age.</P>


Link to the Giants? From 1960 to 1975 the Giants played a preseason game in 13 Albie Booth Memorial games at Yale Bowl, for the benefit of the Albie Booth Memorial Boys Club. Frtom 1969 to 1975 that game was always against the Jets.</P>


The One preseason game that the Giants played that I consider important was the '69 game against the Jets. The Jetshad just won the SB, which most NFL fans felt was a fluke. The bragging rights of New York and thepride of the NFL were considered to be at stake, and on the shoulders of the Giantsin this preseason game... the first between them... so much so that both teams played their first string for the entire game. It was like no preseason game I have ever seen. The atmosphere was as electric as Super Bowl XXV that I attended. It's the game I mentioned where there were literally dozens of fights in the stands... <U>but these fights were all at the same time</U>, and in the same section, about midfield starting at the verytop of the stadium, on the Jets side of the stadium. I sat directly across from it. Thousands of fans either had to run from their seats or just get knocked down, or join in the fights,as hundreds of bodies toppled down the concrete bench seats all the way to the bottom of the stands. Before it was over there had to bewell over100 guys in blue and green jerseys, involved in very serious fighting. Guys were swinging wildly at anything with the opposing color jersey. The players watched it all between plays and even while they were in the huddle. Security was woefully unprepared and powerless to stop the mayhem. The fights lasted for at least 15 minutes, and then people started to slowly return to their seats.</P>


Anyway, we know the Jets won. The turning point was a punt return by Mike Battle, for the jets, which he ran back about 60-70 yards for a TD. The hi-lite of that return was a one on one vicious tackle that one of the Giants tried to lay on him. Battle hurdled the tackler and was gone.</P>

zimonami
08-24-2009, 10:56 PM
Oh, and what was the most excellent result from the Giants losing that game to the Jets?</P>


Wellington Finally fired Allie Sherman right after they lost... that's howimportant everyone considered that game to be.</P>

rocky325
08-24-2009, 11:05 PM
hey guys....what NY Giant Number one draft pick was not born in the USA?

YATittle1962
08-24-2009, 11:23 PM
Oh, and what was the most excellent result from the Giants losing that game to the Jets?</P>


Wellington Finally fired Allie Sherman right after they lost... that's how*important everyone considered that game to be.</P>

the day Allie was fired = one of the best days in Giants history...

and we saw how long it took to undo what he did....

he was a miracle

rocky325
08-24-2009, 11:27 PM
Oh, and what was the most excellent result from the Giants losing that game to the Jets?</P>


Wellington Finally fired Allie Sherman right after they lost... that's how*important everyone considered that game to be.</P>

the day Allie was fired = one of the best days in Giants history...

and we saw how long it took to undo what he did....

he was a miracle


I'll agree with you about Allie, however the Mara family feud was ther real undoing. They would have fixed the damage Allie did a lot earlier if it weren't for the brothers' conflicts. had they not had the feud they might have agreed to a GM to run the football operations long before they finally hired George Young. he's the one who finally turned the corner and brought us back. Hiring Parcells and drafting LT were the real miracles

rocky325
08-24-2009, 11:31 PM
hey guys....what NY Giant Number one draft pick was not born in the USA?



C'mon YA. I thought you were onto this one.

zimonami
08-24-2009, 11:35 PM
hey guys....what NY Giant Number one draft pick was not born in the USA?</P>


Rocky Thompson... the Bermuda Flash?</P>

zimonami
08-24-2009, 11:39 PM
Oh, and what was the most excellent result from the Giants losing that game to the Jets?</P>


Wellington Finally fired Allie Sherman right after they lost... that's howimportant everyone considered that game to be.</P>


the day Allie was fired = one of the best days in Giants history... and we saw how long it took to undo what he did.... he was a miracle I'll agree with you about Allie, however the Mara family feud was ther real undoing. They would have fixed the damage Allie did a lot earlier if it weren't for the brothers' conflicts. had they not had the feud they might have agreed to a GM to run the football operations long before they finally hired George Young. he's the one who finally turned the corner and brought us back. Hiring Parcells and drafting LT were the real miracles</P>


yeah, rocky, we've discussed this on here before. The brothers allowed Allie free reign because they were too busy fighting with each otherand he ruined the team, starting in 1964.</P>


Rozelle finally interceded in '79 and recommended we get a GM... George. 'TY Pete.</P>