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GeoGoGo
12-20-2012, 12:13 PM
Hi Everyone,

Well, this team sure feels full of holes. Oline is bad, dline is old, no big time linebacker for how long now? What do the Giants do in the upcoming draft? All I know is whomever comes with our 1st pick, they have to contribute immediately. I don't want to see them starting to show flashes in week 15. They may not have to start but they need to contribute game 1.

I would love to see a big time linebacker. Someone who can assist the line with the rush. I don't follow college foootball very closely but I hear a lot of talk about the guy from Notre Dame, Mantai Taeo. It sounds like he is going really high, like top 10. Could the Giants make a move to get him? Is that possible?

What do you guys think? Let's hear your ideas. Thanks everyone for the time.

Let go, Giants!!!

Captain Chaos
12-20-2012, 12:18 PM
We certainly need help in a number of different areas, concern is going tto be with which of our FAs we keep and what the whole picture looks like.

JB456
12-20-2012, 12:48 PM
Hi Everyone,

Well, this team sure feels full of holes. Oline is bad, dline is old, no big time linebacker for how long now? What do the Giants do in the upcoming draft? All I know is whomever comes with our 1st pick, they have to contribute immediately. I don't want to see them starting to show flashes in week 15. They may not have to start but they need to contribute game 1.

I would love to see a big time linebacker. Someone who can assist the line with the rush. I don't follow college foootball very closely but I hear a lot of talk about the guy from Notre Dame, Mantai Taeo. It sounds like he is going really high, like top 10. Could the Giants make a move to get him? Is that possible?

What do you guys think? Let's hear your ideas. Thanks everyone for the time.

Let go, Giants!!!

They will D-line if available since Osi is finished and Tuck is looking old and uninterested.

Also, it looks like they will have to pick up another corner. Webster seems to be getting burned by a big play almost every game. Hopefully he is just having a down year but at his age, he might be done.

The offensive line is also pretty bad so I don't even know where to start with that. IMO, Bass has been a disappointment and isn't worthy of the contract he got. Diehl needs to hang em up. Snee is not looking like his old self. Pft, they might have to blow up that line.

There are a bunch of other holes but I think these three need to be addressed first. With their Cap situation, the Giants don't even have much to work with in free agency. I am glad I don't have to make these decisions cause they aren't going to be easy.

repeatchamps
12-20-2012, 12:51 PM
They will D-line if available since Osi is finished and Tuck is looking old and uninterested.

Also, it looks like they will have to pick up another corner. Webster seems to be getting burned by a big play almost every game. Hopefully he is just having a down year but at his age, he might be done.

The offensive line is also pretty bad so I don't even know where to start with that. IMO, Bass has been a disappointment and isn't worthy of the contract he got. Diehl needs to hang em up. Snee is not looking like his old self. Pft, they might have to blow up that line.

There are a bunch of other holes but I think these three need to be addressed first. With their Cap situation, the Giants don't even have much to work with in free agency. I am glad I don't have to make these decisions cause they aren't going to be easy.

Sums it up perfectly. Let's not forget that besides the free agents the Giants will have to address, JPP and Nicks may need to be extended at some point soon as well.

egyptian420
12-20-2012, 01:00 PM
They will D-line if available since Osi is finished and Tuck is looking old and uninterested.

Also, it looks like they will have to pick up another corner. Webster seems to be getting burned by a big play almost every game. Hopefully he is just having a down year but at his age, he might be done.

The offensive line is also pretty bad so I don't even know where to start with that. IMO, Bass has been a disappointment and isn't worthy of the contract he got. Diehl needs to hang em up. Snee is not looking like his old self. Pft, they might have to blow up that line.

There are a bunch of other holes but I think these three need to be addressed first. With their Cap situation, the Giants don't even have much to work with in free agency. I am glad I don't have to make these decisions cause they aren't going to be easy.+1....we've got a ton of holes that need to be addressed

I'd go with LB just because a dominant elite LB that lines up the D could really cover a lot of holes on it. This O-line is a disaster though, it needs major work.

shane4177
12-20-2012, 01:02 PM
I say we go DE, OT, DT, CB, LB, OG, S......in that order.

thegreatone
12-20-2012, 01:14 PM
Teo is going top 5 maybe 3 there is no chance we make a play on him IMO. We have to address oline in this draft(I have said that the last 3 drafts). Just hoping thereis a stud olineman when we pick. Unfortunately it willprobablybe a dline man which IMO isn't a glaring need , we just need a better d coordinator. Stud lbr would be nice, as well as websters replacement. This team isn't as talentless as some ppl say we just have horribly unimaginative coordinators. If we make the playoffs and go deep I could see oline being a distinct possibility with players like C Barrett jones,C Khalid Holmes, OT Rick Wagner going around late 1 early 2. If we miss the playoffs I would bet on a skill position like de or db such Ezeikiel Ansah(sp?) or Eric Reid S lsu. I would love for chad jones to tryout with us as well as he is looking ready to play. we definitely need secondary help and don't forget m.bennet is on a 1 year deal so if we don't come to terms with him eifert could be a distinct possibility.

paulj
12-20-2012, 01:35 PM
Too many unanswered questions at this time:
There are players that can restructure their contracts so they are more cap freindly.
There are players that although are very good have too frequently been injured. Is it worth keeping them?

Therefore, at this time, I can only share my opinion of our need positions (not in any order of priority).
Side Note: I know we frequently draft BPA regardless of position. However, I hope BPA is at our need positions.

Looking at the Offense (Need OL, OL and RB, Need more creativity in play calling, Need to consider hurry up offense when appropriate so defenses cannot make personnel changes):

RB: Bradshaw is very good but unfortuantely has chronic injury. Wilson offers so much with his explosive potential in acquiring good field position with the Kickoffs. For these two reasons, I would not be surprised if the Giants look at add another RB in a later round to join the stable.

OL: We need to draft two OL, one T/G and one G/C. I like Locklear. He was good until he got hurt. He can continue to hold the RT position until our youth is ready. We have Mosley, McCants, and Brewer. They are all young and still have to be groomed. DD probably will get cut? Snee has alot of mileage on him.

QB: Is fine. FB: Is fine.
TE: Bennett, Pascoe, and this year drafted rookie. This is what I feel is a Nice to have not a Need to have. Our offense doesn't call many TE pass plays as our TEs have to block to help the OL frequently. A Pass Catching TE would be a nice to have and another weapon for Eli. Dont know if we have the cap space to investiate any potential FA TEs or if we draft a good pass catching TE? With all the needs we have, this isnt a priority. It depends is the best I can say now as we don't know if Bennett resigns. I think he will though.

WR: We have enough WRs. If Nicks is healthy it changes the dynamics of our team. He is our best WR, period! Cruz is a great compliment. Since we dont have a Pass Catching TE, it is imperitive to have a very good #3WR to help create mismatches and exploit defenses to open things up for thepass and run game. Although our #3WR doesn't put fear into opposition, Hixon is stable as our #3WR. I don't know if our schemes are too over complicated or what but I would have like Randle to step up a little quicker. I like Jernigan as he is quick. He has been underutilized. I blame that on our OC. Why can JJ be used creatively, say in an occasional end around or some type quick seam pass? I think Barden played well when he came in to replace an injured Nicks. It is just that he appears too inconsistant. looking good at times. It jut seems like there is a fall off at WR after Nicks and Cruz?
I hope Randle becomes a valued #3WR next year and JJ gets a shot too.

Look at Defense (Need CB, MLB, OLB, DT, DE):

I think if we had a different DC we may get better level of effectiveness with our players. I just feel that he doesnt mix it up and is very vanilla. Offenses observe our basic scheme and know how to play call against it and it appears to be predictable. Look at what the Redskins DC called against Eli when we played them. He skated circles around our DC!!!

I know we havent tackled well, havent stopped the run well and have given up alot of 20+ yard pass plays.

We are too thin at CB!!! WE have Webster who has been beat too frequently, Prince who looks good but is injury prone, and Hosley that is a rookie learning the ropes. I feel we need to draft a cover CB that will add depth to our depleted CB stable. TT probably will not be back?
We need 10 DBs, 5 CBs and 5 Safeties. We are set at Safety with KP, Rolle, Brown, Hill and Sash.

We need an athletic play maker at MLB and OLB to help stuff the run and help in pass coverage.
This in turn would help the DL. I would love to have another DE to compliment JPP. Osi is probably gone. I believe we will probably draft another DE. In addition, why cant Kiwi move back to the DE rotation? As I've stated before, I hope Ojomo is given a chance too when he is not on the IR.

I would love to have another DT. M Austin look like a bust.

Just my opinion.

TheEnigma
12-20-2012, 03:13 PM
Enigma's Top 5 Favorite Prospects for Round 1 (Realistic possibilities)

Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU - Estimated measurable: 6'5, 270lbs He was originally a track athlete before he joined the football team and became a hybrid player for the Cougars. Has seen snaps at linebacker and even DT but his true calling is rushing the passer and beating tackles with his world class athleticism

Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama - Estimated measurable: 6'2 322lbs Arguably the best offensive lineman on the Crimson Tide, Warmack is surprisingly light on his feet and can easily reach the second level to eliminate linebackers. Doesn't offer positional versatility but he can plug in and play on most teams in the 1st game.

Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri - Estimated measurable: 6'3 295lbs Quick off the snap to beat slower interior offensive linemen, tremendous burst in the backfield to get to the QB, and shows a relentless motor. Motivation issues and shoulder injuries could have him removed off of the Giants draft board.

Johnathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina - Estimated measurable: 6'3 310lbs Another impressive athlete at the Guard position, he shows a bit more mobility and coordination than Warmack but lacks that overpowering strength that might be desired for a power blocking sceheme. Still, he could play all 3 interior positions and that's always desired by the Giants.

Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan - Estimated measurable: 6'7 305lbs Very reminiscent of Nate Solder a few years back, he presents the balance and coordination to handle speed rushers and delivers excellent power in the run game despite his weight. With some added weight, he could play either T position and has the chance to be the best OT in this draft.

JB456
12-20-2012, 03:22 PM
+1....we've got a ton of holes that need to be addressed

I'd go with LB just because a dominant elite LB that lines up the D could really cover a lot of holes on it. This O-line is a disaster though, it needs major work.

I agree with going after a dominant LB but I just don't think the Giants coaching will do it. They have come up with a formula for winning superbowls with an average linebacking core and I just don't believe that they will use a draft pick with the first few rounds to pick one up. I believe that this staff will continue to go after DE's and Corners in the first few rounds.

ELI_HOF_NYG
12-20-2012, 03:22 PM
Hi Everyone,

Well, this team sure feels full of holes. Oline is bad, dline is old, no big time linebacker for how long now? What do the Giants do in the upcoming draft? All I know is whomever comes with our 1st pick, they have to contribute immediately. I don't want to see them starting to show flashes in week 15. They may not have to start but they need to contribute game 1.

I would love to see a big time linebacker. Someone who can assist the line with the rush. I don't follow college foootball very closely but I hear a lot of talk about the guy from Notre Dame, Mantai Taeo. It sounds like he is going really high, like top 10. Could the Giants make a move to get him? Is that possible?

What do you guys think? Let's hear your ideas. Thanks everyone for the time.

Let go, Giants!!!

what about the kid from rutgers?

TheEnigma
12-20-2012, 03:27 PM
I agree with going after a dominant LB but I just don't think the Giants coaching will do it. They have come up with a formula for winning superbowls with an average linebacking core and I just don't believe that they will use a draft pick with the first few rounds to pick one up. I believe that this staff will continue to go after DE's and Corners in the first few rounds.

Outside of Te'o, there really isn't a 1st round ILB that does it all. C.J. Mosley (Alabama) has been mentioned but I don't like the fact that he is taken off the field when the opposition runs the ball in college. Now that we have to deal with this zone option run game from the Skins, we need good run defenders. I'm guessing rounds 2-5 for a ILB.

TheEnigma
12-20-2012, 03:30 PM
what about the kid from rutgers?

Khaseem Greene? He's more of a weakside type but I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Giants took a shot on him in round 3 if they think he could add more weight to play the middle.

ELI_HOF_NYG
12-20-2012, 03:35 PM
Khaseem Greene? He's more of a weakside type but I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Giants took a shot on him in round 3 if they think he could add more weight to play the middle.

we need a thumper who can cover the pass,,,still salty we passed over sean lee.

joemorrisforprez
12-20-2012, 03:42 PM
We need offensive linemen, and linebackers.....just like we did last year.

Hopefully Reese is done with dumpster diving for linebackers.....I love Chase, but he should be the 4th best linebacker on this team.

This defense is built on the defensive line....and when they aren't getting pressure, this defense is screwed.

I'm tired of praying for Tuck to pull his head out of his ***..... we need a linebacker with the speed and instinct to sniff out a play and slash through a gap.

Instead, we've got linebackers that make tackles after 6 yard gains.

JB456
12-20-2012, 03:45 PM
Outside of Te'o, there really isn't a 1st round ILB that does it all. C.J. Mosley (Alabama) has been mentioned but I don't like the fact that he is taken off the field when the opposition runs the ball in college. Now that we have to deal with this zone option run game from the Skins, we need good run defenders. I'm guessing rounds 2-5 for a ILB.

Like I mentioned before I am 100% in favor of going after a good linebacker and the thought of dealing with Skins zone option run with average linebackers makes me want to puke but do you really think the Giants coaching staff will do it? I just don't see them going after linebackers in the early rounds at all. Maybe round 4 but I would fall out of my seat if picked one before that.

I see the giants current coaching staff as set in their ways and very undynamic. Now, don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect the coaches and what they have brought to NY but you know what they say about old dogs...

TheEnigma
12-20-2012, 03:53 PM
Like I mentioned before I am 100% in favor of going after a good linebacker and the thought of dealing with Skins zone option run with average linebackers makes me want to puke but do you really think the Giants coaching staff will do it? I just don't see them going after linebackers in the early rounds at all. Maybe round 4 but I would fall out of my seat if picked one before that.

I see the giants current coaching staff as set in their ways and very undynamic. Now, don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect the coaches and what they have brought to NY but you know what they say about old dogs...

It's a OL/DL heavy draft so Reese will probably sit back as usual and let the value pieces fall to him mixed in with some need. We'll grab a pass rusher to be the future with JPP, a versatile interior offensive lineman (I really like Dallas Thomas in round 2), and perhaps another DT considering it's the deepest position in 2013. I like Alexander Ogletree or Nico Johnson as possible inside linebacker prospects. These guys always fall down the draft (Greg Jones was projected 3rd round but we got him at 6) so Reese will sit back and wait for that to happen.

joemorrisforprez
12-20-2012, 04:13 PM
It's a OL/DL heavy draft so Reese will probably sit back as usual and let the value pieces fall to him mixed in with some need. We'll grab a pass rusher to be the future with JPP, a versatile interior offensive lineman (I really like Dallas Thomas in round 2), and perhaps another DT considering it's the deepest position in 2013. I like Alexander Ogletree or Nico Johnson as possible inside linebacker prospects. These guys always fall down the draft (Greg Jones was projected 3rd round but we got him at 6) so Reese will sit back and wait for that to happen.

I'm okay drafting a DT.....would prefer a Pacific Islander.....we need someone that can add some fire and pride to the line. Last thing we need is another quiet dude on the line.

joemorrisforprez
12-20-2012, 04:16 PM
Khaseem Greene? He's more of a weakside type but I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Giants took a shot on him in round 3 if they think he could add more weight to play the middle.

I'm biased, because I'm a Rutgers Alumni, but that kid is ALWAYS around the ball. He's very fast, very smart, and has great instincts. But unless I'm mistaken, he was converted from safety to LB, so I don't know how he'll stand up against a heavy NFL rushing attack.

But he's a great player, and could be a natural option in Fewell's 3 safety packages.

joemorrisforprez
12-20-2012, 04:17 PM
Like I mentioned before I am 100% in favor of going after a good linebacker and the thought of dealing with Skins zone option run with average linebackers makes me want to puke but do you really think the Giants coaching staff will do it? I just don't see them going after linebackers in the early rounds at all. Maybe round 4 but I would fall out of my seat if picked one before that.

I see the giants current coaching staff as set in their ways and very undynamic. Now, don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect the coaches and what they have brought to NY but you know what they say about old dogs...

I agree.....I love TC, but think he'd be better served by some younger, more creative assistants.....but that's a rant for a different thread.

TheEnigma
12-20-2012, 04:50 PM
I'm okay drafting a DT.....would prefer a Pacific Islander.....we need someone that can add some fire and pride to the line. Last thing we need is another quiet dude on the line.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2012/12/20/3784646/sheldon-richardson-2013-nfl-draft-scouting-report

Wait, he hates old man's football. He won't like it here then...

TheEnigma
12-20-2012, 04:57 PM
Even though the Giants value class and respect above all us, I sometimes wonder if this team lacks a villain. You know, that one player the other 31 teams view as a jerk but he's "our" jerk. Kind of like Jacobs was with us. Someone a little outspoken but brings heart and passion to the team. The closest thing we have to that is Rolle but he doesn't play well enough on a consistent basis to warrant it.

river555
12-20-2012, 05:13 PM
OL and DL and no more projects like Austin, Jernagin, Brewer, McCants, Mosely, Robinson.

myles2424
12-20-2012, 05:16 PM
In no specific order, Disruptive DT, Legit passrushing DE, or potential shutdown CB first 3 rounds.....I think we'll need a legit oline upgrade week 1 & should be able to handle that with some freed up FA $$

Also LB,RB,WR imo.....LB, need i say more?......RB, Bradshaw is one of my fav Gmen, but he cant be counted on long term & Brown has a looongg injury history & should not assume hes going to always be healthy....Wilson,Brown & a do it all RB with decent size/speed ratio for the future...
WR, as much as id like to disagree, Losing H.A.M & not having a threat in the 3rd spot has alot to do with our offense not being as explosive & lets not forget about Nicks being hurt every year of his career....

JesseJames
12-20-2012, 05:18 PM
I think its passed time for Reese to stop shopping in the bargain basement for O linemen and bring in a talented mauler with a bad attitude, you know someone other players fear because they can't handle them..

myles2424
12-20-2012, 05:18 PM
OL and DL and no more projects like Austin, Jernagin, Brewer, McCants, Mosely, Robinson.
People may get mad for you saying that, but i agree.....I dont like going witht he projects every year rounds 4+ when theres always a clear BPA.....Although we may have something with Kuhn..

nycsportzfan
12-20-2012, 08:32 PM
Enigma's Top 5 Favorite Prospects for Round 1 (Realistic possibilities)

Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU - Estimated measurable: 6'5, 270lbs He was originally a track athlete before he joined the football team and became a hybrid player for the Cougars. Has seen snaps at linebacker and even DT but his true calling is rushing the passer and beating tackles with his world class athleticism

Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama - Estimated measurable: 6'2 322lbs Arguably the best offensive lineman on the Crimson Tide, Warmack is surprisingly light on his feet and can easily reach the second level to eliminate linebackers. Doesn't offer positional versatility but he can plug in and play on most teams in the 1st game.

Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri - Estimated measurable: 6'3 295lbs Quick off the snap to beat slower interior offensive linemen, tremendous burst in the backfield to get to the QB, and shows a relentless motor. Motivation issues and shoulder injuries could have him removed off of the Giants draft board.

Johnathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina - Estimated measurable: 6'3 310lbs Another impressive athlete at the Guard position, he shows a bit more mobility and coordination than Warmack but lacks that overpowering strength that might be desired for a power blocking sceheme. Still, he could play all 3 interior positions and that's always desired by the Giants.

Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan - Estimated measurable: 6'7 305lbs Very reminiscent of Nate Solder a few years back, he presents the balance and coordination to handle speed rushers and delivers excellent power in the run game despite his weight. With some added weight, he could play either T position and has the chance to be the best OT in this draft. Thats a nice list my friend.. Nice indeed.. I like all those prospects, and would not mind any of em. Ansah is also my 1st choice on my personal big board.. Obviously i like other players , but heres my personal big board..


1. Ez Ansah DE BYU- he reminds me of another JPP type DE, and i love the thought of having guys on both ends that can bat balls down..

2. Chance Warmack G Bama- with Wilson as are back, it would help getting him some help on the interior for inside runs...

3. Alex Okafor DE Texas- I really like Okafor as well.. Hes very strong, and can cause havoc.. I think he'd compliment JPP very well..

4. CJ Mosley LB Alabama- I love this kid.. Primetime LB right here, who can do it all... We need a stud top of the line LB.. Its been to long since we drafted a stud LB, and we can use the talent at the positon..

5. Tyler Eiftert TE N.Dame/ Eric Fisher OT C.Mich- TO tough to seperate and not keep off the list, i put Fisher and Eifert in a tie...


Just missed- Alec Ogletree(very physical, athletic speciman), Sam Montgomery DE LSU, Kawaan Short DT Purdue, Jordan Poyer CB Oregon St, Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St.

Cloud57
12-20-2012, 08:33 PM
OL and DL and no more projects like Austin, Jernagin, Brewer, McCants, Mosely, Robinson.I agree no more 'experimenting' with players, we neeed players who can contribute immediately.

nycsportzfan
12-20-2012, 10:47 PM
WIth CJ Mosley going back to school, move up Alec Ogletree to his spot on my personal rankings.. Ogletree would be a dynamic enforcer for us, in the mold of a young Ray Lewis in my opinion...

TheEnigma
12-20-2012, 11:31 PM
WIth CJ Mosley going back to school, move up Alec Ogletree to his spot on my personal rankings.. Ogletree would be a dynamic enforcer for us, in the mold of a young Ray Lewis in my opinion...

You like him as a 1st rounder or 2nd? Outside of Te'o, I don't think there's really an inside guy worthy of a 1st this year now. If we got him as a mid to late 2nd though...that would be a solid selection.

nycsportzfan
12-21-2012, 05:56 AM
You like him as a 1st rounder or 2nd? Outside of Te'o, I don't think there's really an inside guy worthy of a 1st this year now. If we got him as a mid to late 2nd though...that would be a solid selection. I love Alec Ogletree and CJ Mosley.. I think Ogletree is a physical speciman, whos stong, fast and instinctive, and he hits hard and can blitz... Ogletree is gonna light up the combine(gut feeling), and i 100pct think hes gonna be a 1st rder, and if for some reason he don't go in RD1, i think hes gonna produce like a 1st rder, and teams will wish they took em in RD 1..

Ogletree does just about everything well.. Walt Footballs actually got em going 19th overall to CHICAGO, and states, that Ogletree might be the best prospect on the board, and thats saying something, becasue he still has guys like Ansah, Vaccaro , Keenan Allen, Tyler Eifert, and many more stud prospects still on the board...


Ogletree missed the first 4games of the season for bulldogs, and still had 99tackles 8.5 TFL, 2sacks, 1INT, 5Pass Defended!!!! Thats freaking awesome!

Hes a all around LB, and i suggest u watch him closley in his bowl game, because ur gonna leave thinking not only is he a 1st rdrer, but a heck of a 1st rd prospect...

JJC7301
12-27-2012, 04:56 PM
1st round? Always BPA. Don't waste the pick (and $$) on anything other than BPA.

WiIdcat
12-27-2012, 06:39 PM
I love Alec Ogletree and CJ Mosley.. I think Ogletree is a physical speciman, whos stong, fast and instinctive, and he hits hard and can blitz... Ogletree is gonna light up the combine(gut feeling), and i 100pct think hes gonna be a 1st rder, and if for some reason he don't go in RD1, i think hes gonna produce like a 1st rder, and teams will wish they took em in RD 1..

Ogletree does just about everything well.. Walt Footballs actually got em going 19th overall to CHICAGO, and states, that Ogletree might be the best prospect on the board, and thats saying something, becasue he still has guys like Ansah, Vaccaro , Keenan Allen, Tyler Eifert, and many more stud prospects still on the board...


Ogletree missed the first 4games of the season for bulldogs, and still had 99tackles 8.5 TFL, 2sacks, 1INT, 5Pass Defended!!!! Thats freaking awesome!

Hes a all around LB, and i suggest u watch him closley in his bowl game, because ur gonna leave thinking not only is he a 1st rdrer, but a heck of a 1st rd prospect...

Out of all the games I've seen on him he looks horrible. No clue what you're seeing. He gets blocked out of the play every time because he is a safety playing linebacker. Where do you see strong anywhere??

slipknottin
12-27-2012, 06:43 PM
Yea, I tend to agree on Ogletree. He has trouble reading his keys, and he does get washed out and is not overly stout or physical, especially when a lineman gets their hands on him.

nycsportzfan
12-27-2012, 07:51 PM
Out of all the games I've seen on him he looks horrible. No clue what you're seeing. He gets blocked out of the play every time because he is a safety playing linebacker. Where do you see strong anywhere?? Are u kidding? Hes been about the biggest diffrence maker since returning for GA.. He lead the team in Tackles with 99, had 8.5TFL, 2sacks, return punt for td, a INT, and a saftey..lol Oh ya, he only played in 9games! What do u think, the guys gonna never get blocked???lol THis kid is as physical as it gets, and was GA's best defender since returning, hands down.. Physical, Fast, instinctive, the complete package..


Last yr, he played in 8games, and had 7.5TFL, 3FF, 6QB Pressues.. He completely dominated the bowl game and was lighting up the big michigan st backs... He can cover, can get ot the QB, stop RB's in there tracks..etc He constantly leads the team in tackles...etc He pressues the QB, he makes big plays.. What the freak do u want em to do?

Trust me, hes a 1st rder, and probably will go before the 23rd pick in the draft.. Sorry, finesse MLB's don't go that high..lol

nycsportzfan
12-27-2012, 08:09 PM
1st round? Always BPA. Don't waste the pick (and $$) on anything other than BPA. Agreed.. Take the player thats gonna change games and make impact and has room to get better.. Thats why i chose Alec Ogletree.. Hes versatile, strong, a playmaker, has oodles of speed, and athletic ability, can make the hard impactful game changing hit, and is always around the ball...

Sure, he could get alittle stronger, but no prospect is perfect.. This kids upside is through the roof..

ELI_HOF_NYG
12-27-2012, 08:52 PM
You like him as a 1st rounder or 2nd? Outside of Te'o, I don't think there's really an inside guy worthy of a 1st this year now. If we got him as a mid to late 2nd though...that would be a solid selection.

doesn't really matter,,,,reese will draft best player available so it is impossible to say who they pick with any certainty. who would have thought prince? but he fell and ta da........I just hope we don't whiff on anybody rounds 1-4.

nycsportzfan
12-27-2012, 09:03 PM
doesn't really matter,,,,reese will draft best player available so it is impossible to say who they pick with any certainty. who would have thought prince? but he fell and ta da........I just hope we don't whiff on anybody rounds 1-4. Ya, someone probably will fall that wasen't expected to, and were right there in prime positon pick 19-23(depending on weekend), to snatch a sweet pickup up..

I just hope we get a diffrence maker.. Someone who can change the game on Defense.. A guy like Ansah, Ogletree, Van Noy, Okafor, or someone like that.. Or obviously a olineman like Eric Fisher(looked awesome in bowl game), CHance Warmack, or Taylor Lewan(could play RT and move to LT if Beatty isn't resigned)..

Imgrate
12-27-2012, 09:08 PM
De dt cb are musts in the offseason

TheEnigma
12-27-2012, 09:11 PM
doesn't really matter,,,,reese will draft best player available so it is impossible to say who they pick with any certainty. who would have thought prince? but he fell and ta da........I just hope we don't whiff on anybody rounds 1-4.

Not always true. Glenn was his highest graded player available last year but he went with Wilson because he was afraid a run on RBs was going to happen in the 2nd. If the prospects are closely graded to Reese, need will become a factor.

Imgrate
12-27-2012, 09:15 PM
Not always true. Glenn was his highest graded player available last year but he went with Wilson because he was afraid a run on RBs was going to happen in the 2nd. If the prospects are closely graded to Reese, need will become a factor.That worked out great for us.

nycsportzfan
12-27-2012, 10:12 PM
Not always true. Glenn was his highest graded player available last year but he went with Wilson because he was afraid a run on RBs was going to happen in the 2nd. If the prospects are closely graded to Reese, need will become a factor. I wanted GLENN so bad last yr when he was still on the board and Whitney Mercilus and Doug Martin were gone.. A guy Glenns size that can move like that was destined for greatness.. I never seen bills fans rave so much about a OT before GLENN during the preseason and summer...

WiIdcat
12-27-2012, 11:16 PM
Are u kidding? Hes been about the biggest diffrence maker since returning for GA.. He lead the team in Tackles with 99, had 8.5TFL, 2sacks, return punt for td, a INT, and a saftey..lol Oh ya, he only played in 9games! What do u think, the guys gonna never get blocked???lol THis kid is as physical as it gets, and was GA's best defender since returning, hands down.. Physical, Fast, instinctive, the complete package..


Last yr, he played in 8games, and had 7.5TFL, 3FF, 6QB Pressues.. He completely dominated the bowl game and was lighting up the big michigan st backs... He can cover, can get ot the QB, stop RB's in there tracks..etc He constantly leads the team in tackles...etc He pressues the QB, he makes big plays.. What the freak do u want em to do?

Trust me, hes a 1st rder, and probably will go before the 23rd pick in the draft.. Sorry, finesse MLB's don't go that high..lol

Ok Terrel Thomas had over 100 tackles a few years back. Why don't we put him at MLB? I don't deny that Ogletree is a good football player but he is not a linebacker. He gets abused in the run game. You probably follow this stuff more than me so could you show me where he makes some plays in the run game? Like a nice block shed or a tackle for a loss?

Redeyejedi
12-28-2012, 10:55 AM
I wanted GLENN so bad last yr when he was still on the board and Whitney Mercilus and Doug Martin were gone.. A guy Glenns size that can move like that was destined for greatness.. I never seen bills fans rave so much about a OT before GLENN during the preseason and summer...I still dont understand how if thats the highest graded guy on your board why a RB being picked would change who u draft. They must of thought they were getting Martin and just completely panicked when he got picked. A Split time back that doesnt have WR skills and cant block isnt a first rounder. The Value of that pick really pisses me off. Why the Giants decided luxury picks were the best way to go and dont even start with me on Robinson.

Redeyejedi
12-28-2012, 11:00 AM
Ok Terrel Thomas had over 100 tackles a few years back. Why don't we put him at MLB? I don't deny that Ogletree is a good football player but he is not a linebacker. He gets abused in the run game. You probably follow this stuff more than me so could you show me where he makes some plays in the run game? Like a nice block shed or a tackle for a loss? He is a LB just might not be a MLB .Ogletree doesnt stack and shed very well but when he is clean he is the best LB in the class. He would immediately help with pass defense. He has the arm length and the frame to improve but he must get bigger if he will play inside

WiIdcat
12-28-2012, 02:41 PM
He is a LB just might not be a MLB .Ogletree doesnt stack and shed very well but when he is clean he is the best LB in the class. He would immediately help with pass defense. He has the arm length and the frame to improve but he must get bigger if he will play inside

I agree with you. He is good when he isn't blocked but that's a huge part of the game for a middle linebacker.

myles2424
12-28-2012, 03:05 PM
He is a LB just might not be a MLB .Ogletree doesnt stack and shed very well but when he is clean he is the best LB in the class. He would immediately help with pass defense. He has the arm length and the frame to improve but he must get bigger if he will play inside
Id say its more difficult dealing with a LB that plays the run but gets blown up in the pass game, than dealing with a playmaking LB thats great against the pass. but needs to pack on another 10ish lbs in the weight room...