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FBomb
12-23-2012, 06:53 PM
7 points is just horrible.....but our defense sucks ***!!!!

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 06:55 PM
The offense has been crappy but there is no way, I don't care how you try to twist and turn it there is NO way you can say our defense is not the problem.
24 points in the first half is absolutely terrible. Mind you we didn't turn the ball over.

Jtuck
12-23-2012, 06:56 PM
The "Eli elite" offense has only put up 7 points! So they don't get a pass either!

TheBookOfEli
12-23-2012, 06:56 PM
Our whole team sucks as a whole.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 06:56 PM
Another 3 and out. lol. No problem. Not their fault.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 06:56 PM
Today has been pathetic but the offense still stinks and has for most of the season. They need to overhaul both sides.

tonyt830
12-23-2012, 06:57 PM
This defense scares noone. I probably could find some elite highschool football programs that could move the ball on our sorry excuse of a defense. but the offense isnt helping the matter either

oldgiantfan
12-23-2012, 06:57 PM
they look tired and old

shockeyisjesus
12-23-2012, 06:58 PM
This isn't a either or ore equation. The sum of all the parts = suckitutde. Coughlin is at the top of the list.

slipknottin
12-23-2012, 06:58 PM
When you have a QB who is one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant field a top defense. Thats just how it is.

But when you have one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant have an offense that has put up a grand 7 points in the last 6 quarters

tonyt830
12-23-2012, 06:58 PM
Today has been pathetic but the offense still stinks and has for most of the season. They need to overhaul both sides.I agree Buddy. But loyalty runs too deep in this organization. Mara wont fire Coughlin, Reese and/or Coughlin wont fire coordinators, and the organization holds onto players that our past their prime or just flat out suck.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 06:59 PM
When you have a QB who is one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant field a top defense. Thats just how it is.But when you have one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant have an offense that has put up a grand 7 points in the last 6 quartersThis. Green Bay has a horrible defense. How are they doing?

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:00 PM
The "Eli elite" offense has only put up 7 points! So they don't get a pass either!

Not giving them a pass at all....hence the phrase "7 points is just horrible".....but this defense is worse and I'm tired of getting it's the terrible offense that makes them that way shoved down my throat.

But this team sucks overall.

krankeybluechick
12-23-2012, 07:00 PM
Our Defense sucks, our offence is offensive and our coaches cannot coach. No imagenatiion whatsoever. Even if we could score we cannot stop the Ravens. Fewell must go along with Killdrive. It's just sickening to see this team has no heart!

TheAnalyst
12-23-2012, 07:01 PM
Do you understand if the offense can do more then 3 and outs, the d would be better? Do you expect the D to pitch a shutout when they are on the field 70% of the game?

Gilbride is the worst coordinatr in football right now. He seriously is. Cruz and Nicks have 0 catches because he has them run 15-20 yards deep EVERY PASS PLAY! Imagine if we had a decent coordinator on offense who knew what a screen was, or a slant? Maybe a pass that Eli can hit the WR in stride instead of Eli chucking it deep praying the WR comes down with it.

Im down with this KilDrive character. He is simply not understanding how offense works.

ebick
12-23-2012, 07:01 PM
58-7 over the last 6 quarters. Offense, defense, coaching, you can start anywhere you like.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:03 PM
Do you understand if the offense can do more then 3 and outs, the d would be better? Do you expect the D to pitch a shutout when they are on the field 70% of the game?

Gilbride is the worst coordinatr in football right now. He seriously is. Cruz and Nicks have 0 catches because he has them run 15-20 yards deep EVERY PASS PLAY! Imagine if we had a decent coordinator on offense who knew what a screen was, or a slant? Maybe a pass that Eli can hit the WR in stride instead of Eli chucking it deep praying the WR comes down with it.

Im down with this KilDrive character. He is simply not understanding how offense works.

Nope...not going to buy this bull**** anymore. The defense sucked the second it took the field!!! Thw whole damn team sucks, but these excuses for the defense are delusional.

Every part of this team sucks and they each need to own it.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:05 PM
Do you understand if the offense can do more then 3 and outs, the d would be better? Do you expect the D to pitch a shutout when they are on the field 70% of the game? Gilbride is the worst coordinatr in football right now. He seriously is. Cruz and Nicks have 0 catches because he has them run 15-20 yards deep EVERY PASS PLAY! Imagine if we had a decent coordinator on offense who knew what a screen was, or a slant? Maybe a pass that Eli can hit the WR in stride instead of Eli chucking it deep praying the WR comes down with it. Im down with this KilDrive character. He is simply not understanding how offense works.So since the Giants went 3 and out on the the first possesion THAT'S why the D came out tired, on the first series and got worked?

tonyt830
12-23-2012, 07:06 PM
58-7 over the last 6 quarters. Offense, defense, coaching, you can start anywhere you like.couldnt agree with you any more!

Pksoze
12-23-2012, 07:08 PM
We're get blown off the line of scrimmage on defense and we can't block these guys. This is the worst team I've seen since 09.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:08 PM
So since the Giants went 3 and out on the the first possesion THAT'S why the D came out tired, on the first series and got worked?

It does set the mood for the game. Here we go again. The kings of 3 and out.

Redeyejedi
12-23-2012, 07:09 PM
Why cant anyone grasp that Football is a team again and what happens on 1 side effects the other

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:09 PM
It does set the mood for the game. Here we go again. The kings of 3 and out.So because the offense gets a three and out..the defense loses ALL ability to tackle and cover receivers? K.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:09 PM
Why cant anyone grasp that Football is a team again and what happens on 1 side effects the otherWell tell that to the people that blame Eli every week.
Or Bradshaw
Or KG
Or Fewell.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:09 PM
It does set the mood for the game. Here we go again. The kings of 3 and out.


lol.......don't strain yourself reach for that load of nonsense.

TheAnalyst
12-23-2012, 07:10 PM
Nope...not going to buy this bull**** anymore. The defense sucked the second it took the field!!! Thw whole damn team sucks, but these excuses for the defense are delusional.

Every part of this team sucks and they each need to own it.

Dont get me wrong, the D sucks too. But there were a few times in this game where if the O showed anything it wouldnt be that bad, maybe we would only be down 1 TD.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:11 PM
It does set the mood for the game. Here we go again. The kings of 3 and out.Set the mood?! If that's all it takes then we have some weak minded "pros"

slipknottin
12-23-2012, 07:11 PM
So because the offense gets a three and out..the defense loses ALL ability to tackle and cover receivers? K.

No, but you have to think the defense is going to get more frustrated after playing 6 quarters while the offense has scored 7 points.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:12 PM
Why cant anyone grasp that Football is a team again and what happens on 1 side effects the otherSo whoever takes the field first gets the blame.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:12 PM
Dont get me wrong, the D sucks too. But there were a few times in this game where if the O showed anything it wouldnt be that bad, maybe we would only be down 1 TD.

Agreed....but I believe it's more we have to score to keep up becuase our D can't stop anybody. We're just not doing it

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:13 PM
So there is a defensive stop. Lets see what the offense does with it.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:13 PM
No, but you have to think the defense is going to get more frustrated after playing 6 quarters while the offense has scored 7 points.This.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:14 PM
So there is a defensive stop. Lets see what the offense does with it.

YAY!! Now we don't suck anymore!!;)

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:14 PM
So because the offense gets a three and out..the defense loses ALL ability to tackle and cover receivers? K.

The secondary is the worst that is a fact but the d-line is sick and tired having to play the game of their lives because the rest of the team sucks especially when the offense keeps on going 3 and out and can't score.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:15 PM
YAY!! Now we don't suck anymore!!;)Lets see what he offense does.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:16 PM
The secondary is the worst that is a fact but the d-line is sick and tired having to play the game of their lives because the rest of the team sucks especially when the offense keeps on going 3 and out and can't score.


LOL...."The game of thier lives"??????? You need meds.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:16 PM
Lol. Looks like the Giants offense is playing defense against themselves.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:17 PM
Lets see what he offense does.

So that makes the defense NOT suck?

ShakeandBake
12-23-2012, 07:17 PM
The whole team sucks, putting up only 7 and giving up 24?!?!?

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:18 PM
Eli threw a perfect throw and Marty B didn't grab it.

..

ELI SUCKS.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:18 PM
Lol. Looks like the Giants offense is playing defense against themselves.

Bennett has to make that catch. Just terrible

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:18 PM
Did you here that stat? They have FIVE 3 and outs and had the ball SEVEN times. Oh yeah. Don't blame the offense.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:19 PM
LOL...."The game of thier lives"??????? You need meds.

The offense ran 15 plays in the first half and another 3 and out. You need meds. Get Eli's you know what out of your mouth.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:19 PM
Did you here that stat? They have FIVE 3 and outs and had the ball SEVEN times. Oh yeah. Don't blame the offense.You're right, blame the offensive line.

Black
12-23-2012, 07:19 PM
Defense just made a decent stand, and then the offense comes outand takes a dump. lol

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:20 PM
You're right, blame the offensive line.Anyone but Eli right?

slipknottin
12-23-2012, 07:20 PM
You're right, blame the offensive line.

Not sure if that was even on the OL, looked like the ravens sent 7. Thats on the backs, TEs, and Eli.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:21 PM
Anyone but Eli right?Well Eli threw a beautiful ball to Marty B and it went through his hands..

But of course the scapegoat is going to be Eli for not throwing it pretty enough.
Hell, Troy Aikman said it was a great pass, but everything is Eli's fault so meh..

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:21 PM
Did you here that stat? They have FIVE 3 and outs and had the ball SEVEN times. Oh yeah. Don't blame the offense.


This is why people give you so much grief.....you change everyones arguement to fit your dumb argement.

This issue is NOT that the offense doesn't suck......it's the defense getting a pass because the offense sucks.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:22 PM
Well Eli threw a beautiful ball to Marty B and it went through his hands..But of course the scapegoat is going to be Eli for not throwing it pretty enough. Hell, Troy Aikman said it was a great pass, but everything is Eli's fault so meh..Lol. Yeah it was a nice throw and should have been caught. What about the other hundred bad throws he has had lately?

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:22 PM
You want the defense to score 24 points too?

ELI_Iz_God
12-23-2012, 07:22 PM
7 points is just horrible.....but our defense sucks ***!!!!

LOL other team OC's must be scratching their heads saying.."Omg...what are they doing? if I had that kind of talent in my offense....MAN"

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:23 PM
The offense ran 15 plays in the first half and another 3 and out. You need meds. Get Eli's you know what out of your mouth.

lol....how old are you again?

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:23 PM
This is why people give you so much grief.....you change everyones arguement to fit your dumb argement.This issue is NOT that the offense doesn't suck......it's the defense getting a pass because the offense sucks.In 6 quarters the offense has scored 7 points. The defense is playing bad but he offense is worse.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:24 PM
lol....how old are you again?

Apparently not as old as you since I need meds

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:24 PM
In 6 quarters the offense has scored 7 points. The defense is playing bad but he offense is worse.


And I believe you're wrong. And it will be proven in the offseason when we start revamping the defense.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:25 PM
Apparently not as old as you since I need meds

Well....I think your opinion is delusional.....meds help with that.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:26 PM
Corey Webster PI.

Yep, offense playing worse.

TheAnalyst
12-23-2012, 07:26 PM
Eli is making bad decisions, even on that hail Mary pray to God chuck up to Randle. He got sacked a few timed he could.of.dumped it off, but can't take his eyes off downfield. Great pass to MB, but it shouldn't of been made. Find the guy underneath wide open for the less risky throw and move the chains. If Cruz and Nicks ran slants, this offense would look so much better.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:26 PM
And I believe you're wrong. And it will be proven in the offseason when we start revamping the defense.If by start next year with this OL and Eli is in a slump they will be just as bad.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:27 PM
Eli is making bad decisions, even on that hail Mary pray to God chuck up to Randle. He got sacked a few timed he could.of.dumped it off, but can't take his eyes off downfield. Great pass to MB, but it shouldn't of been made. Find the guy underneath wide open for the less risky throw and move the chains. If Cruz and Nicks ran slants, this offense would look so much better.Eli almost got sacked because Bradshaw got blown up.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:27 PM
Corey Webster PI.Yep, offense playing worse.Lol. Yeah cause it was a god call right?

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:28 PM
Lol. Yeah cause it was a god call right?Doesn't matter.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:28 PM
Well....I think your opinion is delusional.....meds help with that.

You are an idiot so that makes me happy

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:28 PM
If by start next year with this OL and Eli is in a slump they will be just as bad.

O-line will get some work....but there is going to be some real work done on D.....and it wouldn't surprisde me if Fewell was part of it.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:29 PM
This is why people give you so much grief.....you change everyones arguement to fit your dumb argement.This issue is NOT that the offense doesn't suck......it's the defense getting a pass because the offense sucks.100%. I'll say it EASILY - the offense is terrible - can the defense defenders muster up the same?

Black
12-23-2012, 07:29 PM
OMFG 36 YARDS... OK IM SHUTTING THIS PIECE OF **** GAME OFF

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:30 PM
You are an idiot so that makes me happy

lol.....36 yard play on 3rd down.....yeah...I"M the idiot.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:31 PM
Corey Webster PI.

Yep, offense playing worse.

Nobody is worse than Webster

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:32 PM
By the way, its also not he defenses fast that Flacco is playing better than the $100 million man.

Black
12-23-2012, 07:32 PM
Nobody is worse than Webster

the entire team sucks huge moose balls

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:33 PM
By the way, its also not he defenses fast that Flacco is playing better than the $100 million man.


Are you ****ing kidding me?????? Please tell me this is sarcasm!!

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:34 PM
By the way, its also not he defenses fast that Flacco is playing better than the $100 million man.Are you serious???! A little pressure from the "D" would chnge that... But they CAN'T.

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 07:34 PM
Giants D comes out forcing a three and out, and Eli and the troops follow suit with a three and out. This whole team sucks.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:35 PM
lol.....36 yard play on 3rd down.....yeah...I"M the idiot.

That is Webster getting toasted again and again. Feel sorry for the rest of the defense especially when our offense keeps on sending them right back onto the field.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:36 PM
Ok.....Got some work around the house that needs to be done before Christmas.....Good night all...and Merry Christmas in case I don't get back here before.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:36 PM
Are you serious???! A little pressure from the "D" would chnge that... But they CAN'T.Scoring more than 7 points in 6 1/2 quarters would help too. It's also expected when you have a $100 million QB.

Black
12-23-2012, 07:36 PM
anyone see the Giants smiling and laughing on the sidelines before they cut to commercial? what the **** is going on?

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:38 PM
That is Webster getting toasted again and again. Feel sorry for the rest of the defense especially when our offense keeps on sending them right back onto the field.

So now just one guy on defense sucks? lol....just because you're stubborn about your opinion doesn't mean it's not rediculous. I've alreadt said the entire team sucks,,,,,time for you to just lket it go now. The defense sucks.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:38 PM
Lets see this gem of a drive.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:39 PM
Scoring more than 7 points in 6 1/2 quarters would help too. It's also expected when you have a $100 million QB.Solidified yourself as a troll

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:40 PM
Solidified yourself as a trollThose numbers are correct.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:40 PM
Those numbers are correct.People don't disagree with you because you are wrong. Yes, we know the offense sucks. It's because your logic is flawed.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:41 PM
People don't disagree with you because you are wrong. Yes, we know the offense sucks. It's because your logic is flawed.

This is 100% the truth!!

ShakeandBake
12-23-2012, 07:41 PM
Also our offensive line is bad enough, Eli/KG do not need to wait till the playclock runs down to 1 everyplay to snap the ball

bigblue604
12-23-2012, 07:42 PM
The team as a whole has been awful, but the defense is horrible. How many times this year has the opposition marched down the field and scored on their first possession?Happened today on the first two drives. It's demoralizing. There is a reason why they pick on Webster.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:42 PM
Those numbers are correct.Your logic of it not being the defenses fault that the Ravens O is playing so well is C-L-A-S-S-I-C

giantsfan420
12-23-2012, 07:42 PM
He doesnt get it purposefully. Sometimes i wonder if buddy is just a genius whose taking my idea of making giggles up look tame...

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:43 PM
People don't disagree with you because you are wrong. Yes, we know the offense sucks. It's because your logic is flawed.Why? Just because you won't blame Eli or the offense doesn't mean I'm wrong. The offense has score 7 points in almost 7 quarters now. When you have a $100 million QB that is unacceptable.

giantsfan420
12-23-2012, 07:44 PM
We r blaming eli u troll. UR WXCUSING THE D LMFAO

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:45 PM
Your logic of it not being the defenses fault that the Ravens O is playing so well is C-L-A-S-S-I-CNever said the defense was playing well, especially not today. This season as a whole is on the offense and today they are just as pathetic. Hey have scored 7 points in almost 7 quarters now. That's almost 2 games. When you have a $100 million QB that is not acceptable.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:46 PM
So now just one guy on defense sucks? lol....just because you're stubborn about your opinion doesn't mean it's not rediculous. I've alreadt said the entire team sucks,,,,,time for you to just lket it go now. The defense sucks.

And I said the d-line has to play the game of their lives in order to make up for the secondary and the offense.

Roosevelt
12-23-2012, 07:46 PM
7 points is just horrible.....but our defense sucks ***!!!!



So does our offense.

slipknottin
12-23-2012, 07:46 PM
Nicks cant beat some scrub the ravens have against him, and bradshaw cant pick up a blitz.

krankeybluechick
12-23-2012, 07:46 PM
OMG, Bradshaw let that defender run right by him and sack eli!! Bradshaw should not be in the game if he isn't willing to block!

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:46 PM
Why? Just because you won't blame Eli or the offense doesn't mean I'm wrong. The offense has score 7 points in almost 7 quarters now. When you have a $100 million QB that is unacceptable.

We do blame Eli.....we think EVERYONE deserves blame....we don't say the offense sucks because the defense sucks....we say they ALL suck and you need to accept that and stop looking silly.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:47 PM
So does our offense.

What part of my arguement is so difficult for you people to understand?

TheAnalyst
12-23-2012, 07:48 PM
Another great job by the offense. Chuck and duck even on manageable downs. It is absolutely pathetic.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:48 PM
Why? Just because you won't blame Eli or the offense doesn't mean I'm wrong. The offense has score 7 points in almost 7 quarters now. When you have a $100 million QB that is unacceptable.First of all, I don't blame Eli because Eli has literally nothing to work with. Right now I just saw Snee get pushed to the side and Eli sacked. Would you like for Eli to throw into coverage and get picked off? No? okay.

2. Nobody..NOBODY is saying the offense sucks, but YOU have been saying oh the offense has been worse all year and the defense has not been as bad. This game is proving your logic to be flawed. They are killing the time of possession and they are running and throwing on us at will, we can't stop anybody. That is forcing the offense to play hurry up..when do we ever play hurry up? Never. You said oh because the offense gets three and outs..the defense can't make tackles/cover receivers..that's basically what you're saying.

brad
12-23-2012, 07:48 PM
Adrian Peterson gained more than our entire offense combined... gotta love it

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:48 PM
And I said the d-line has to play the game of their lives in order to make up for the secondary and the offense.


But they don't.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:48 PM
Ok. So lets say the defense only gave up 10 points last week and 10 points today. They would still lose because the offense is so bad.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:49 PM
Another great job by the offense. Chuck and duck even on manageable downs. It is absolutely pathetic.

Agreed....it's awful.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:49 PM
Ok. So lets say the defense only gave up 10 points last week and 10 points today. They would still lose because the offense is so bad.Well you can't say that because that didn't happen.

Roosevelt
12-23-2012, 07:51 PM
What part of my arguement is so difficult for you people to understand?


I guess it's your subject line. You want to blame the defense over the offense? I say blame everyone.

TheAnalyst
12-23-2012, 07:51 PM
Eli absolutely sucks right now. No its ands or buts about it. He has managed 7 points in 2 games and it was on a rush. He has been terrible this season because the offense we run is ******ed.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 07:52 PM
Ok. So lets say the defense only gave up 10 points last week and 10 points today. They would still lose because the offense is so bad.

BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!

You love being the board clown don't you?

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:52 PM
Well you can't say that because that didn't happen.Yeah because the offense hasn't scored in 7 quarters.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 07:52 PM
But they don't.

Because they know there is no point. The secondary blows especially webster and the offense is horrible.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:53 PM
BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!You love being the board clown don't you?What have you seen from this offense that makes you think they would do any better had the defense shut teams down. This is not 2011.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:54 PM
At this point it doesn't matter. Th season is over.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 07:55 PM
At this point it doesn't matter. Th season is over.Yep

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 07:56 PM
Fewell should be fired - hand him cab fare and end it.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:57 PM
Fewell should be fired - hand him cab fare and end it.How will that fix the offense?

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 07:58 PM
First of all, I don't blame Eli because Eli has literally nothing to work with. Right now I just saw Snee get pushed to the side and Eli sacked. Would you like for Eli to throw into coverage and get picked off? No? okay.If Eli has nothing to work with, then Gilbride certainly has nothing to work with, and yet you incessantly criticize him. Not to mention, didn't we all praise Eli last year for "carrying the team" and making undrafted free agents like Ballard, Cruz, etc. look like "stars"? Why isn't he doing that now? Because he has been ****ting the bed, and it's probably gonna cost us the playoffs for the third time in four years.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 07:58 PM
Ok, game is over right. Th Ravens will probably play a little softer. Lets see what the offense does now.

ShakeandBake
12-23-2012, 08:00 PM
At this point it doesn't matter. Th season is over.

What a way for it to end, absolutely horrible play/coaching. Reminds me of our loss to Carolina and Minnesota to end the season a few years back in '09

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:00 PM
If Eli has nothing to work with, then Gilbride certainly has nothing to work with, and yet you incessantly criticize him. Not to mention, didn't we all praise Eli last year for "carrying the team" last year, and making undrafted free agents like Ballard, Cruz, etc. look like "stars"? Why isn't he doing that now? Because he has been ****ting the bed, and it's probably gonna cost us the playoffs for the third time in four years.Thank you. Eli has been off with his passes as much as anything else wrong with this offense.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:02 PM
If Eli has nothing to work with, then Gilbride certainly has nothing to work with, and yet you incessantly criticize him. Not to mention, didn't we all praise Eli last year for "carrying the team" last year, and making undrafted free agents like Ballard, Cruz, etc. look like "stars"? Why isn't he doing that now? Because he has been ****ting the bed, and it's probably gonna cost us the playoffs for the third time in four years.Because Hakeem wasn't injured. Bradshaw wasn't as badly injured. We used Ballard a lot more, and nobody really had an idea on how to contain Victor Cruz.

This year? Ahmad is in and out, offensive line can be great at times and then implode. Nicks (his main target) is running on one leg and cannot perform up to par. No Manningham. An unproven rookie and Hixon will make the occasional play. Eli has been off, don't know why he's reverting back to throwing into double coverage but good lord the play calling..

It is the coaches job to adjust to what he's working with. If Nicks is injured..STOP THROWING 80 YARD BOMBS DOWN THE FIELD. STOP STOP STOP. Our offensive line cannot hold the d-line for 10 seconds and everyone knows Nicks isn't at full strength so he's easy to cover.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:03 PM
Hixon gets behind the defense and Eli throws short.

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Because Hakeem wasn't injured. Bradshaw wasn't as badly injured. We used Ballard a lot more, and nobody really had an idea on how to contain Victor Cruz.This year? Ahmad is in and out, offensive line can be great at times and then implode. Nicks (his main target) is running on one leg and cannot perform up to par. No Manningham. An unproven rookie and Hixon will make the occasional play. Eli has been off, don't know why he's reverting back to throwing into double coverage but good lord the play calling..It is the coaches job to adjust to what he's working with. If Nicks is injured..STOP THROWING 80 YARD BOMBS DOWN THE FIELD. STOP STOP STOP. Our offensive line cannot hold the d-line for 10 seconds and everyone knows Nicks isn't at full strength so he's easy to cover.Okay, so then you are admitting that Eli didn't carry the team last year? Right?

NWKEffectElement
12-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Lowest offensive output of the season.

slipknottin
12-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Hixon gets behind the defense and Eli throws short.

Again, he has underthrown guys who were running free what 4 times this game?

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:05 PM
Okay, so then you are admitting that Eli didn't carry the team last year? Right? He did but you can't expect him to carry the team every single year.

jax5338
12-23-2012, 08:06 PM
Hixon gets behind the defense and Eli throws short.

ball still hit him in the numbers. at least catch it. ravens are laying out for balls on 3rd down today. effort isnt there either.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:07 PM
He did but you can't expect him to carry the team every single year.For $100 million you absolutely do have to carry a team every year.

Harooni
12-23-2012, 08:07 PM
yeah because those 3 and outs are just a thing of beauty

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:07 PM
For $100 million you absolutely do have to carry a team every year.Well then your expectations are too high and might need to root for another team, because that's not going to happen every year.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 08:08 PM
How will that fix the offense?Nothing this year shore up the O-line - that's the root of their problem. "Bend and Break" is no way to treat your quality D players.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:08 PM
Well then your expectations are too high and might need to root for another team, because that's not going to happen every year.The other Manning, Rogers, Brady, and Brees.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:09 PM
The other Manning, Rogers, Brady, and Brees.Cool, they are obviously all better than Eli.
Go be a fan of their team if you expect such high expectations.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:09 PM
This is their worst offensive outing of the season. What team are you guys watching? Yeah, the defense needs work, a lot, but the offense needs even more.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:10 PM
Cool, they are obviously all better than Eli.Go be a fan of their team if you expect such high expectations.Lol. Ok, so don't expect a $100 million QB to carry his team every year when other do. That's funny.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:11 PM
Lol. Ok, so don't expect a $100 million QB to carry his team every year when other do. That's funny.Guess it is funny.

Harooni
12-23-2012, 08:11 PM
100million in 7 years not 10 years like a lot got. Eli is paid handsomely and looks like a turd in a uniform some weeks. and yes the rest of the team stinks also.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:12 PM
100million in 7 years not 10 years like a lot got. Eli is paid handsomely and looks like a turd in a uniform some weeks. and yes the rest of the team stinks also.But people don't say the "rest of the team".

brad
12-23-2012, 08:13 PM
Cool, they are obviously all better than Eli.
Go be a fan of their team if you expect such high expectations.

No offense, because I respect you, but yes I do expect Eli to play at the same level as Brees, Brady or Peyton... he is paid to play at the level and is constantly referred to as "elite". There has been nothing elite about Eli in about 7 weeks now. Thinking that doesn't make me a bad fan, just as I wasn't a bad fan when I thought that Montana and Marino were better than Simms.

BeatYale
12-23-2012, 08:14 PM
But people don't say the "rest of the team".

Well the majority of forum topics calling out players or staff revolve around Webster, KG, Fewell etc. in general there aren't many people singling out Eli for the teams bad play except this guy.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 08:14 PM
100million in 7 years not 10 years like a lot got. Eli is paid handsomely and looks like a turd in a uniform some weeks. and yes the rest of the team stinks also.The whole offense is bad - if you want to blame a qb for single handedly ending a teams season, and truly not being worth their latest money look no further than Ben.

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 08:15 PM
He did but you can't expect him to carry the team every single year.Okay, so what's a reasonable expectation then? Because, like I previously stated, it looks like this will be the third time in the past four years that he hasn't carried his team. So what, once every four years, 25% of the time, which is it?

krankeybluechick
12-23-2012, 08:15 PM
100million in 7 years not 10 years like a lot got. Eli is paid handsomely and looks like a turd in a uniform some weeks. and yes the rest of the team stinks also.

You are such a hater!

brad
12-23-2012, 08:15 PM
But people don't say the "rest of the team".

Without a doubt, the whole team has played horribly... and that makes me go back to coaching, when every player on the team is bad, it is more likely that the coaches are doing something wrong.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:16 PM
No offense, because I respect you, but yes I do expect Eli to play at the same level as Brees, Brady or Peyton... he is paid to play at the level and is constantly referred to as "elite". There has been nothing elite about Eli in about 7 weeks now. Thinking that doesn't make me a bad fan, just as I wasn't a bad fan when I thought that Montana and Marino were better than Simms.There's no offense. I see what you're saying.

What I mean by carry the team is the 4th quarter comebacks everyone has grown to love. Since that is not happening everyone wants to RIP Eli. I don't think that he should have to come back every single game. That's all I'm saying. I do expect Eli to lead this team, I don't expect him to win every game and to bail us out when it's obvious we are sucking.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:16 PM
But people don't say the "rest of the team".Yes they do but dare anyone question Eli.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 08:16 PM
The other Manning, Rogers, Brady, and Brees.Not a single one of them play well with line play like today and no running game. They simply don't.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:18 PM
When a team invests that much money in a QB he needs to be great every year.

brad
12-23-2012, 08:18 PM
There's no offense. I see what you're saying.

What I mean by carry the team is the 4th quarter comebacks everyone has grown to love. Since that is not happening everyone wants to RIP Eli. I don't think that he should have to come back every single game. That's all I'm saying. I do expect Eli to lead this team, I don't expect him to win every game and to bail us out when it's obvious we are sucking.

I know, you view the issue much the same way I do... There is plenty of blame to go around.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:19 PM
Not a single one of them play well with line play like today and no running game. They simply don't.They have not had good OL's or running games.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:20 PM
If Eli doesn't throw a TD this game it will be his 4th game of the season without a TD pass.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 08:21 PM
They have not had good OL's or running games.Yes of course Buddy - each of them would have scored 50 inserted in this lineup.

giantsfan420
12-23-2012, 08:21 PM
Yes they do but dare anyone question Eli.u live in fantasy world if u think no one questions eli. Get over it, the d has proven ur lil theory dead wrong. Quit trying to change it around to what isnt reality lmfao

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:22 PM
I guess it's your subject line. You want to blame the defense over the offense? I say blame everyone.

Well, then you're having some reading comprehension problems... I blamn\e everybody too. What I don't accept is the defense getting a pass just because the offense sucks. You have to say the defense sucks too or your opinion should be treated as invalid.

Drez
12-23-2012, 08:22 PM
When you have a QB who is one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant field a top defense. Thats just how it is.But when you have one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant have an offense that has put up a grand 7 points in the last 6 quartersI bet our defensive payroll is higher than our offensive payroll.

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 08:22 PM
There's no offense. I see what you're saying.

What I mean by carry the team is the 4th quarter comebacks everyone has grown to love. Since that is not happening everyone wants to RIP Eli. I don't think that he should have to come back every single game. That's all I'm saying. I do expect Eli to lead this team, I don't expect him to win every game and to bail us out when it's obvious we are sucking.You need to realize how our team is formatted. At the top of the totem poll is Eli. He makes more money than Nicks, Cruz, Hixon, Bradshaw, and Bennett COMBINED. He needs to shoulder the majority of the responsibility. Do you think he will become much better when we lose Nicks, or Cruz, or Bennett -- or all three? Eli needs to carry this team, otherwise we miss the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:24 PM
Because they know there is no point. The secondary blows especially webster and the offense is horrible.

Then they should be replaced!!!

Your argument is just silly. Nothing more.

giantsfan420
12-23-2012, 08:24 PM
They have not had good OL's or running games.people, this right here proves buddy should just be ignored re: this topic. Brees completed TWENTY yes i spelled it out so i could caps it, at least, passes to his rbs for like 250 yards and two tds...if ur cimparing our ol and rb to that of brees brady peyton, any of the top qbs, ur smoking crack. And when teams do have issues with those things team adjusts to shorter routes and a offense to combat that. We dont. Plus we have a d that blows chunks

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 08:25 PM
I bet our defensive payroll is higher than our offensive payroll.It probably is, it is saddening to see where that money lies though. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap-hit/


There's gonna be some serious changes upcoming.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:25 PM
You need to realize how our team is formatted. At the top of the totem poll is Eli. He makes more money than Nicks, Cruz, Hixon, Bradshaw, and Bennett COMBINED. He needs to shoulder the majority of the responsibility. Do you think he will become much better when we lose Nicks, or Cruz, or Bennett -- or all three? Eli needs to carry this team, otherwise we miss the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.And how exactly is he supposed to do that? With Nicks hobbled and Cruz tripled. How?

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 08:29 PM
And how exactly is he supposed to do that? With Nicks hobbled and Cruz tripled. How?You realize we could have said the same exact thing last year right? It would go something like this:


And how exactly is he supposed to do that? With Smith going to Philly, Boss being let go, Seubert/O'Hara gone, two undrafted free agents starting, worst running game in the league? How?

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:31 PM
You realize we could have said the same exact thing last year right? It would go something like this:Oh and you can add the predictability of our offense..

We had talented players on offense last year, the problem was our defense giving up scores.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 08:31 PM
Then they should be replaced!!!

Your argument is just silly. Nothing more.

Yeah. Replace Tuck, Osi, Canty, J.P.P.. You are an idiot. Then watch us win no games.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:32 PM
Yes of course Buddy - each of them would have scored 50 inserted in this lineup.Rogers is the most sacked QB in the NFL and they are not a good running team. Their defense stinks by the way. Brady does not ave a good defense and never has had a great running game. The Saints defense has stunk for years but because Brees is so good teams are playing from behind most of the time. He also does not have a great running game or great OL. The other Manning has played for years with an average at best OL and bad defense.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:32 PM
Rogers is the most sacked QB in the NFL and they are not a good running team. Their defense stinks by the way. Brady does not ave a good defense and never has had a great running game. The Saints defense has stunk for years but because Brees is so good teams are playing from behind most of the time. He also does not have a great running game or great OL. The other Manning has played for years with an average at best OL and bad defense.Ok we get it. Eli sucks and he's the root of all evil.

ShakeandBake
12-23-2012, 08:32 PM
Yeah. Replace Tuck, Osi, Canty, J.P.P.. You are an idiot. Then watch us win no games.

Tuck and Osi should be replaced, Canty should take a pay cut

Jtuck
12-23-2012, 08:34 PM
Rogers is the most sacked QB in the NFL and they are not a good running team. Their defense stinks by the way. Brady does not ave a good defense and never has had a great running game. The Saints defense has stunk for years but because Brees is so good teams are playing from behind most of the time. He also does not have a great running game or great OL. The other Manning has played for years with an average at best OL and bad defense.

^^^^^ Say it again!!!!!! With the exception of Brees this year, the other QB's You mentioned are going to the playoffs!

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Eli is a good QB and the team goes as he goes. This year was not a good one for Eli. So the team struggled.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Yeah. Replace Tuck, Osi, Canty, J.P.P.. You are an idiot. Then watch us win no games.


Ha ha.....Osi is gone and Tuck is a shell of him former self.......and I don't care who you are....if you are not trying to play your best because another part of your team isn't....then you gotta go!!!

You haven't made any valid points yet,,,but don't let that stop you.

nyc-007
12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Looks....
The blame is on everywhere. The defense sucks because the can't stop the run or cover on deep passes.
Our 100 million quartback is playing like a backyard quarterback. I take that back because they play the best ball. Eli is playing like he never played. The offensive and defensive coordinators have no clue and the head coach is an arse for keeping them both around

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Tuck and Osi should be replaced, Canty should take a pay cut

No problem. lol. We will see how well that goes.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:36 PM
^^^^^ Say it again!!!!!! With the exception of Brees this year, the other QB's You mentioned are going to the playoffs!Yeah and he probably would be going if he didn't lose his head coach for the season.

EliIsTheBaas
12-23-2012, 08:37 PM
Diehl, bradshaw, tuck, Webster, osi should be cut. Snee and baas should take a pay cut or leave. Blackburn needs to be upgraded regardless of his intangibles. JPP needs to look within himself. He has the talent to be a HOF de, but he must get his head in the game.

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 08:37 PM
Rogers is the most sacked QB in the NFL and they are not a good running team. Their defense stinks by the way. Brady does not ave a good defense and never has had a great running game. The Saints defense has stunk for years but because Brees is so good teams are playing from behind most of the time. He also does not have a great running game or great OL. The other Manning has played for years with an average at best OL and bad defense.And how exactly have they faired when getting pressured CONSISTENTLY? TERRIBLE.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:38 PM
Looks....
The blame is on everywhere. The defense sucks because the can't stop the run or cover on deep passes.
Our 100 million quartback is playing like a backyard quarterback. I take that back because they play the best ball. Eli is playing like he never played. The offensive and defensive coordinators have no clue and the head coach is an arse for keeping them both around

Which was the original point to this thread. EVERYTHING sucks and giving the defense a pass because the offense sucks is stupid and will remain that way no matter hoiw stubborn the idiots are.

Roosevelt
12-23-2012, 08:39 PM
No offense, because I respect you, but yes I do expect Eli to play at the same level as Brees, Brady or Peyton... he is paid to play at the level and is constantly referred to as "elite". There has been nothing elite about Eli in about 7 weeks now. Thinking that doesn't make me a bad fan, just as I wasn't a bad fan when I thought that Montana and Marino were better than Simms.

Blasphemer!

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 08:39 PM
Ha ha.....Osi is gone and Tuck is a shell of him former self.......and I don't care who you are....if you are not trying to play your best because another part of your team isn't....then you gotta go!!!

You haven't made any valid points yet,,,but don't let that stop you.

My arguements? You are just a cheerleader for the offense. Just look at the title of your thread.

Play with the same garbage each week and let's see how motivated you play.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:39 PM
Blasphemer!ha

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 08:40 PM
Oh and you can add the predictability of our offense..

We had talented players on offense last year, the problem was our defense giving up scores.So it was because of our offensive talent that we went so far. Just a few posts ago you claimed that Eli carried the team. Seems to me that you are conflicted on wether it was Eli that carried the team, or better talent that led to so much offensive success last year. Next post, you'll probably change it up once again and say that it was both, which is contradictory to your belief that Eli carried the team. Had he in fact carried the team, then the talent around him would be irrelevant considering it all revolves around him anyway. I'm under the belief that Eli DID carry the team last year, as much as you can in this league. I also believe that he is as big a problem this year as anyone else is. You on the other hand want it both ways, which makes your logic just as flawed as you claim Buddy's is.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:42 PM
And how exactly have they faired when getting pressured CONSISTENTLY? TERRIBLE.Rogers is he most sacked QB and might be the MVP again.

Roosevelt
12-23-2012, 08:42 PM
TC just pointed out how our offense is not giving our defense a chance to rest....

Morehead State
12-23-2012, 08:43 PM
7 points is just horrible.....but our defense sucks ***!!!!
They share the responsibility with the defense. Right now both the O and the D suck balls.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:43 PM
They share the responsibility with the defense. Right now both the O and the D suck balls.+1

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 08:45 PM
TC just pointed out how our offense is not giving our defense a chance to rest....They aren't. The second half could have been a whole new team. Defense forces three and out, which was really huge down 17 points, and then the offense comes out and lays an egg. If we score even a ****ing FG on that opening possession in the second half, it's a 14 point deficit, and more rest for the defense.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:45 PM
My arguements? You are just a cheerleader for the offense. Just look at the title of your thread.

Play with the same garbage each week and let's see how motivated you play.

Nope....and poists like this is what have convinced me of your idiocy.

The title is refering to some posters who think the defense poor play is because the offense sucks.

Posters like you and buddy LOVE to change to opposing persons argument to fit yours....but it doesn't make you right or smart....it's just blah blah blah without thinking clearly.

Both the defense and the offense suck.....and thoise defending the defense are WRONG!! I only hope that is dumbed down enough for you and posters like you.......somehow I doubt it.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Nope....and poists like this is what have convinced me of your idiocy.

The title is refering to some posters who think the defense poor play is because the offense sucks.

Posters like you and buddy LOVE to change to opposing persons argument to fit yours....but it doesn't make you right or smart....it's just blah blah blah without thinking clearly.

Both the defense and the offense suck.....and thoise defending the defense are WRONG!! I only hope that is dumbed down enough for you and posters like you.......somehow I doubt it.lol

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:46 PM
They share the responsibility with the defense. Right now both the O and the D suck balls.


Again,.....THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!!!

Am I not typing in English or something?

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:47 PM
They aren't. The second half could have been a whole new team. Defense forces three and out, which was really huge down 17 points, and then the offense comes out and lays an egg. If we score even a ****ing FG on that opening possession in the second half, it's a 14 point deficit, and more rest for the defense.The score was 17-7 and he defense forced a punt only to have the offense fail again. Look, 14 points, 7 of them in garbage time of a blow out, is horrible. They where 2-10 on 3rd downs.

RoanokeFan
12-23-2012, 08:49 PM
Which was the original point to this thread. EVERYTHING sucks and giving the defense a pass because the offense sucks is stupid and will remain that way no matter hoiw stubborn the idiots are.

The TOS was really lopsided. The Ravens had the ball for a full quarter + more than we did

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:49 PM
The score was 17-7 and he defense forced a punt only to have the offense fail again. Look, 14 points, 7 of them in garbage time of a blow out, is horrible. They where 2-10 on 3rd downs.

Yep...they sucked bad.....but that's not why the defense sucked too. They were able to suck right away!!

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 08:50 PM
The TOS was really lopsided. The Ravens had the ball for a full quarter +Sure was lopsided.
Ran the ball for 222 yards, that's actually a season high I believe.

Some people on here believe that it's the final score that matters.

RoanokeFan
12-23-2012, 08:50 PM
Nope....and poists like this is what have convinced me of your idiocy.

The title is refering to some posters who think the defense poor play is because the offense sucks.

Posters like you and buddy LOVE to change to opposing persons argument to fit yours....but it doesn't make you right or smart....it's just blah blah blah without thinking clearly.

Both the defense and the offense suck.....and thoise defending the defense are WRONG!! I only hope that is dumbed down enough for you and posters like you.......somehow I doubt it.

Can you imagine how bad it could have been if Webster wasn't playing lights out? :popcorn:

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:52 PM
Can you imagine how bad it could have been if Webster wasn't playing lights out? :popcorn:

Sigh......I remember when he was fun to watch.....now it's like watching Jason Sehorn after he tore his knee up returning punts. Sad.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 08:53 PM
Nope....and poists like this is what have convinced me of your idiocy.

The title is refering to some posters who think the defense poor play is because the offense sucks.

Posters like you and buddy LOVE to change to opposing persons argument to fit yours....but it doesn't make you right or smart....it's just blah blah blah without thinking clearly.

Both the defense and the offense suck.....and thoise defending the defense are WRONG!! I only hope that is dumbed down enough for you and posters like you.......somehow I doubt it.

Let me make it simple for a mor0n. Your d-line isn't going to play with the same fire when your offense is totally inept and your secondary especially Webster gets toasted on the regular.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:53 PM
Yep...they sucked bad.....but that's not why the defense sucked too. They were able to suck right away!!A bad as the defense was they did make some stops when the game was still a game. Or was it? The defense could have payed great and the offense would still not have helped.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 08:53 PM
Sure was lopsided.Ran the ball for 222 yards, that's actually a season high I believe.Some people on here believe that it's the final score that matters.The final score is the ONLY thing that matters.

RoanokeFan
12-23-2012, 08:54 PM
Sigh......I remember when he was fun to watch.....now it's like watching Jason Sehorn after he tore his knee up returning punts. Sad.

We have issues to deal with during the off season. It wasn't even his not being "there" but his inability to find the ball. Timing? Age? I don't know

RoanokeFan
12-23-2012, 08:55 PM
Sigh......I remember when he was fun to watch.....now it's like watching Jason Sehorn after he tore his knee up returning punts. Sad.

Merry Christmas to you and the family, my friend

Sarcasman
12-23-2012, 08:56 PM
7 points is just horrible.....but our defense sucks ***!!!!


The whole team sucks. This isn't an offense/defense thing.

I can't speak to the agenda of those who pretend it's not, but those fools are pretty transparent and therefore best left ignored anyway.....but this is about the entire team.

Nothing less and nothing more.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:57 PM
A bad as the defense was they did make some stops when the game was still a game. Or was it? The defense could have payed great and the offense would still not have helped.

This game was never actually a game. We sucked the entire time. All of it.

Here's the crux of the issue.......on that drive where the ravens got a 36 yard gain on 3rd and 10...they were also slammed with penalties that should have stalled the drive...but the D didn't take advantage. THAT is horrible!! I just want people to realize that the defense sucks because the defense sucks NOT because the offense sucks. PERIOD

nycisgreat
12-23-2012, 08:58 PM
There is no defense on the face of this earth that can be successful when they are playing 40+ minutes a game.

Martin
12-23-2012, 08:58 PM
When you have a QB who is one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant field a top defense. Thats just how it is.

But when you have one of the highest paid QBs in the league you cant have an offense that has put up a grand 7 points in the last 6 quarters


This game is won and lost at the line of scrimage.

The Giant cannot run block, pass block or pick up blitzes.
(see A Bradshaw)


When U consider what is at stake
with such a tight race for a playoff spot
and the laughing on the side line (michael boley)

Its unbelievable.

For FBomb's sake if we were to choose
who is worse? then the D is worse then the O.

I guess if you have to lose your at least
okay if its a well fought battle.

The Giants as a whole look like school yard.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 08:59 PM
Merry Christmas to you and the family, my friend

You too my friend!! Happy New Year as well.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:00 PM
There is no defense on the face of this earth that can be successful when they are playing 40+ minutes a game.

Ok...so let's give them a pass...right?

ShakeandBake
12-23-2012, 09:01 PM
No problem. lol. We will see how well that goes.

Thanks for your input

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:02 PM
The whole team sucks. This isn't an offense/defense thing.

I can't speak to the agenda of those who pretend it's not, but those fools are pretty transparent and therefore best left ignored anyway.....but this is about the entire team.

Nothing less and nothing more.

Precisely.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 09:04 PM
Thanks for your input

Thanks for thanking my input.

giantsfan420
12-23-2012, 09:04 PM
Let me make it simple for a mor0n. Your d-line isn't going to play with the same fire when your offense is totally inept and your secondary especially Webster gets toasted on the regular.so why did the d allow 14 plus play drives their first two drives?????we wnt down two tds after balt first two possessions

Ruttiger711
12-23-2012, 09:04 PM
There is no defense on the face of this earth that can be successful when they are playing 40+ minutes a game.

So whats their excuse for when they first step on the field and play like bums? They werent given adequate warm-up time?

Sarcasman
12-23-2012, 09:05 PM
Can you imagine how bad it could have been if Webster wasn't playing lights out? :popcorn:


I'll ask you to leave this type of thing to the professionals, sir....

Sarcasman
12-23-2012, 09:06 PM
There is no defense on the face of this earth that can be successful when they are playing 40+ minutes a game.


LMFAO*








*unless of course that statement is meant to be a self indictment, in which case I agree completely

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 09:07 PM
so why did the d allow 14 plus play drives their first two drives?????we wnt down two tds after balt first two possessions

Are you kidding me? Webster was getting toasted like he wasn't even there. It was like playing with 10 guys on defense all day.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 09:08 PM
This game was never actually a game. We sucked the entire time. All of it.Here's the crux of the issue.......on that drive where the ravens got a 36 yard gain on 3rd and 10...they were also slammed with penalties that should have stalled the drive...but the D didn't take advantage. THAT is horrible!! I just want people to realize that the defense sucks because the defense sucks NOT because the offense sucks. PERIODNo one said the defense is paying light out, but just that TD offense is playing worse which does in fact have an effect on the defense. The defense did make some stops early on. The offense did nothing with it. In two games 14 points, 7 of which came in garbage time, is about as bad an offense can be. The offense didn't have 200 yards of offense and where off the field in 3 plays. This team goes as Eli goes and this season he has struggled so the team has struggled.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:08 PM
Are you kidding me? Webster was getting toasted like he wasn't even there. It was like playing with 10 guys on defense all day.

We also didn't stop the run or get any pressure on Flacco......but don't let the facts get in the way.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:10 PM
No one said the defense is paying light out, but just that TD offense is playing worse which does in fact have an effect on the defense. The defense did make some stops early on. The offense did nothing with it. In two games 14 points, 7 of which came in garbage time, is about as bad an offense can be. The offense didn't have 200 yards of offense and where off the field in 3 plays. This team goes as Eli goes and this season he has struggled so the team has struggled.

Not buying it...the defense sucked for the word go. Theywere plenty rested at the begining of this game. Your argument doesn't hold water. They suck...simple as that,

nycisgreat
12-23-2012, 09:10 PM
Ok...so let's give them a pass...right?

HELLLLLL NO!! Both and defense sucks. Our defense is soft, and so is our offense. I haven't seen this kind of bad back to back performance by the Giants in probably 8 years.

Sarcasman
12-23-2012, 09:11 PM
This game was never actually a game. We sucked the entire time. All of it.

Here's the crux of the issue.......on that drive where the ravens got a 36 yard gain on 3rd and 10...they were also slammed with penalties that should have stalled the drive...but the D didn't take advantage. THAT is horrible!! I just want people to realize that the defense sucks because the defense sucks NOT because the offense sucks. PERIOD


Why do you respond to him? It's like arguing with a child plus it will only drive your blood pressure up. Remember his replies are all agenda based and then purposefully forget to reply forever, you'll be happier in the long run. I promise.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 09:12 PM
Not buying it...the defense sucked for the word go. Theywere plenty rested at the begining of this game. Your argument doesn't hold water. They suck...simple as that,They did make some stops when the game was still a game though. You not haven buy it but it happened. The offense just went 3 and out every time.

45Jones
12-23-2012, 09:13 PM
Our whole team sucks as a whole.

Our whole team is a hole...

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:13 PM
HELLLLLL NO!! Both and defense sucks. Our defense is soft, and so is our offense. I haven't seen this kind of bad back to back performance by the Giants in probably 8 years.

Again...that's what I'm getting at. If the front office has the same attitude some posters have then we won't change things on defense because it's not their fault they suck,,,it's the offenses fault.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 09:14 PM
We also didn't stop the run or get any pressure on Flacco......but don't let the facts get in the way.

Saying it over and over again. The offense puts them back on the field over and over again and it deflates them. The battle of the trenches is all about attitude.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:14 PM
They did make some stops when the game was still a game though. You not haven buy it but it happened. The offense just went 3 and out every time.

You're right.....our defense is the victim of our offense. We fix the offense our D will be fine. Problem solved.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 09:15 PM
Once again, no one is saying the defense played well. What is being said is that the offense is just playing worse. The defense did make some plays today, some. The offense made none, none.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 09:16 PM
Once again, no one is saying the defense played well. What is being said is that the offense is just playing worse. The defense did make some plays today, some. The offense made none, none.So if the offense played better, the defense would automatically play better? That's your logic..

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 09:17 PM
You're right.....our defense is the victim of our offense. We fix the offense our D will be fine. Problem solved.Not quite. They need to address problems on the defense for sure, but when you have invested $100 million into one payer on offense you better do better than 14 in two games on offense.

GameTime
12-23-2012, 09:17 PM
7 points is just horrible.....but our defense sucks ***!!!!
team effort Bro.....the O and the D blow.....

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:18 PM
Saying it over and over again. The offense puts them back on the field over and over again and it deflates them. The battle of the trenches is all about attitude.

Your argument doesn't work here....we are talking about the Ravens first 2 drives in this game. If the defense was deflated already then we have bigger problems. You're doing nothing but making excuses for a defense you KNOW is terrible because you refuse to admit you misread my original post and are totally wrong. Thendefense sucks because the defense sucks...period. I await your next excuse.

nycisgreat
12-23-2012, 09:18 PM
So whats their excuse for when they first step on the field and play like bums? They werent given adequate warm-up time?

I am not trying to make excuses for anyone. How can any rational person defend this performance. We played like trash in all three phases of the games. Pure turd play the past two weeks. Laid by both Fewell and KG.

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 09:18 PM
team effort Bro.....the O and the D blow.....Cue the FBomb freakout because you (and just about everyone else) misinterpreted his poorly worded thread title.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 09:19 PM
So if the offense played better, the defense would automatically play better? That's your logic..Well by keeping the ball more than 3 plays and scoring points when the defense does make a stop they would look better and might even get more pumped when they see the other side is doing their part.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:19 PM
team effort Bro.....the O and the D blow.....

sigh.....I am convinced my posts are showing up in Greek. This is what I am saying and have been saying from the start. I am arguing with the posters who blame the offense for the defense.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 09:20 PM
You're right.....our defense is the victim of our offense. We fix the offense our D will be fine. Problem solved.

How about the offense come to the rescue during the 2nd half of the season? What kind of defense do the Patriots have? Their offense carries the team. I will take half the Patriots offense.

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 09:20 PM
sigh.....I am convinced my posts are showing up in Greek. You do realize your thread reads as if you are a defense basher, and an offense enthusiast, right?

Harooni
12-23-2012, 09:21 PM
when you devote a lot of your cap space to one player, how exactly are we suppose to beef up in Free agency???

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 09:22 PM
when you devote a lot of your cap space to one player, how exactly are we suppose to beef up in Free agency???Get rid of overpaid players like Tuck, Webster, and Diehl.

I don't consider Eli overpaid because he's a proven winner, whoever says otherwise is a hater.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:22 PM
Cue the FBomb freakout because you (and just about everyone else) misinterpreted his poorly worded thread title.

It says...and I quote..."Can we stop blaming the offense for our poor defense now?" How is that poorly worded? It was misinterpreted because people love to argue before thinking.

I stand by the title...it makes perfect sense.

Sarcasman
12-23-2012, 09:22 PM
sigh.....I am convinced my posts are showing up in Greek. This is what I am saying and have been saying from the start. I am arguing with the posters who blame the offense for the defense.

Why bother?

Using that criteria essentially assures that you'll end up arguing with the dumbest segment of Giants fans...........Why drive yourself crazy?

Redeyejedi
12-23-2012, 09:23 PM
Get rid of overpaid players like Tuck, Webster, and Diehl.

I don't consider Eli overpaid because he's a proven winner, whoever says otherwise is a hater. Tuck and Diehl really dont make that much money, in fact for the production they received over the years they got a steal over the life of the deals

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 09:23 PM
It says...and I quote..."Can we stop blaming the offense for our poor defense now?" How is that poorly worded? It was misinterpreted because people love to argue before thinking.

I stand by the title...it makes perfect sense.Ha, they don't read. They just ignore it and come up with their own conclusions.

I totally understand what you're saying.

Buddy333
12-23-2012, 09:23 PM
Get rid of overpaid players like Tuck, Webster, and Diehl.I don't consider Eli overpaid because he's a proven winner, whoever says otherwise is a hater.Yeah but it's ok if he takes a year off because a $100 QB doesn't have to carry his team every year.

Sarcasman
12-23-2012, 09:24 PM
Get rid of overpaid players like Tuck, Webster, and Diehl.

I don't consider Eli overpaid because he's a proven winner, whoever says otherwise is a hater.

C'mon Rudy don't fall for that.

Harooni knows what the market is for franchise QBs...he's just trolling..

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 09:24 PM
Tuck and Diehl really dont make that much money, in fact for the production they received over the years they got a steal over the life of the dealsSomeone had a chart and it showed the salaries of the players..Diehl was up there in fact, maybe not Tuck.

Webster was definitely up there as well. Justin Tuck should just be flat out cut, he can't do it anymore.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:24 PM
You do realize your thread reads as if you are a defense basher, and an offense enthusiast, right?

No...it doesn't. It simply says that our poor offense is NOT to blame for our poor defense. Like I said.....if people would think before reacting this thread wouldn't be this many pages. I am right and have been from the start. The defense sucks because the defense sucks....not because the offense sucks.

nycisgreat
12-23-2012, 09:24 PM
Again...that's what I'm getting at. If the front office has the same attitude some posters have then we won't change things on defense because it's not their fault they suck,,,it's the offenses fault.

Honestly, the FO knows it. I agree with you. They are not going to make the playoffs. Changes are coming for sure. KG isn't a good OC, and this off season will prove it again when he gets passed up for many jobs. Fewell should go back to coaching JV HS football defense.

Redeyejedi
12-23-2012, 09:24 PM
Why bother?

Using that criteria essentially assures that you'll end up arguing with the dumbest segment of Giants fans...........Why drive yourself crazy?really u dont see how 1 effects the other does play calling not change

Harooni
12-23-2012, 09:25 PM
C'mon Rudy don't fall for that.

Harooni knows what the market is for franchise QBs...he's just trolling.. big difference between 100mil 10 years and 100mill 7 years. i can do the math but many fans are fooled.

Rudyy
12-23-2012, 09:25 PM
C'mon Rudy don't fall for that.

Harooni knows what the market is for franchise QBs...he's just trolling..Sigh I know but....



Aliens..

gmen0820
12-23-2012, 09:25 PM
It says...and I quote..."Can we stop blaming the offense for our poor defense now?" How is that poorly worded? It was misinterpreted because people love to argue before thinking.

I stand by the title...it makes perfect sense.Because the only adjective used is "poor" and it is addressed to the defense. Further, you want us to "stop blaming" our offense.

Translation: Don't blame the offense, our defense is poor.

You'd think the problem was diagnosable when you've had to resort to bashing just about everyone's reading comprehension.

FBomb
12-23-2012, 09:25 PM
Ha, they don't read. They just ignore it and come up with their own conclusions.

I totally understand what you're saying.

Of course you do....it's just English and you bother to read it.

RagingBlue
12-23-2012, 09:26 PM
It says...and I quote..."Can we stop blaming the offense for our poor defense now?" How is that poorly worded? It was misinterpreted because people love to argue before thinking.

I stand by the title...it makes perfect sense.

Not when your offense is the king of 3 and outs

Redeyejedi
12-23-2012, 09:26 PM
Someone had a chart and it showed the salaries of the players..Diehl was up there in fact, maybe not Tuck.

Webster was definitely up there as well. Justin Tuck should just be flat out cut, he can't do it anymore. Tuck made an average of 6 million a year over the life of his deal for a 2 time All Pro thats cheap. Webster for sure makes to much. Diehl yes makes more then he deserves but its the going rate for tackles its not obscene

Harooni
12-23-2012, 09:26 PM
Get rid of overpaid players like Tuck, Webster, and Diehl.

I don't consider Eli overpaid because he's a proven winner, whoever says otherwise is a hater. they are all over paid if you ask me. all im saying is ,if you want eli and dont mind paying him then dont complian when cap space is tight and we have 2nd team linebackers out there.