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DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:24 PM
Peterson and like MJD are the only RBs that are a clear step above him imho.

Willie Parker?


Hah, seems I was wrong about Parker, but I was really right about Schaub and Manningham wasn't I.

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 01:25 PM
amanda can you do me a favor and send me that adobe flash player site again. its not working anymore and saying i need to dl it again and the only site that worked was the one you gave me. thanks.</P>


i dont think i sent you a site, did i?!?! i thought it was just part of an email about DL an update?? hmmm let me search thru my work email... give me a second</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 01:25 PM
Many teams have inquired about B Cain, but i think he will be resigned as early as today.</p>


I have no idea who they possibly could be looking at...</p>
The Patriots also re-signed linebacker Tully Banta-Cain (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4697), a team source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Banta-Cain was unexpectedly cut loose on Monday.

Why would they do that? Restructure the money or what? You do know your team though.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:28 PM
Dezz I sent you a good offer, you should accept it.

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 01:28 PM
Peterson and like MJD are the only RBs that are a clear step above him imho.

Willie Parker?


Hah, seems I was wrong about Parker, but I was really right about Schaub and Manningham wasn't I.

Hell yeah you were. I for one am very happy you were right about Manningham. I remember alot of people on the boards saying he needed a chance and would be great. They are right to this point and I hope he fixed his case of the dropsies.

JPizzack
10-20-2009, 01:29 PM
How could anyone think like this....Just makes me hate the guy worse.

“We pretty much got on our high horses,” safety C.C. Brown said. “We thought it was going to be another brush-through game, and it was an eye-opener for us.”

I don't like how he says "we". I don't believe the entire D felt like this.


HHAHAHA i think the rest of D is like "who decided to sign this guy as a FA??
I hate brown...he's just a skinny LB and a bad one at that...

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 01:30 PM
Dezz I sent you a good offer, you should accept it.

The white elephant?

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 01:30 PM
I am happy bout MM too.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 01:33 PM
amanda can you do me a favor and send me that adobe flash player site again. its not working anymore and saying i need to dl it again and the only site that worked was the one you gave me. thanks.</P>


i dont think i sent you a site, did i?!?! i thought it was just part of an email about DL an update?? hmmm let me search thru my work email... give me a second</P>i forget but it sent me to the realwebsite and it dled with no problem. when i google the site it give me a bunch of **** and it doesnt dl right. thanks alot

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:33 PM
Dezz I sent you a good offer, you should accept it.

The white elephant?


hah, it is a good offer though.

he needs a RB, I'm offering him Caddy and Hester for Greg Jennings....

Caddy has 51 pts and has established himself as the best RB on his team...albeit for Tampa Bay.
Hester's last 2 games he has 22 points and 14 receptions I believe (he missed week 4 due to injury)

Greg Jennings has 37 points total, that's less then just Hester...and I'm giving him Caddy as well!

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 01:35 PM
Many teams have inquired about B Cain, but i think he will be resigned as early as today.</P>


I have no idea who they possibly could be looking at...</P>



The Patriots also re-signed linebacker Tully Banta-Cain (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4697), a team source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Banta-Cain was unexpectedly cut loose on Monday.

Why would they do that? Restructure the money or what? You do know your team though.
Nothing personal, but it is all about the Yens....lol.</P>


Tell Schefter to stop snooping.</P>


Alexander is next. There is no way we let him walk.</P>

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 01:36 PM
Dezz I sent you a good offer, you should accept it.
dont like it.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:39 PM
Dezz I sent you a good offer, you should accept it.
dont like it.

you should like it, it's good.

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 01:42 PM
well benson is at least

Thomas is better then Benson FYI.

played 3 games, (really 2 and a half)

Against Buffalo without a carry in the first half, he got 27 points.
Against the Jets a good defensive team, he got 19 points
Against the Giants he got 7 (and was robbed of 2 scores he's usually the Goal Line back too)

dude's one of the best backs in the NFL at this point, I'd put him right there with DeAngelo and most other top backs in the NFL...Peterson and like MJD are the only RBs that are a clear step above him imho.
</P>


Uhh.. hello.. Ronnie Brown lol..</P>


Benson ain't that good..he'sa product of a goodO-Line, Thomas better but still a product of O-line.. </P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:44 PM
Uhh.. hello.. Ronnie Brown lol..


Benson ain't that good..he'sa product of a goodO-Line, Thomas better but still a product of O-line.
</p>
It really doesn't matter what they are a product of, the fact is they are scoring like ****ing crazy, and yes I forgot about Ronnie Brown he's better too.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 01:46 PM
amanda-trade proposal

JPizzack
10-20-2009, 01:46 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 01:46 PM
byron and daven trade offers

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 01:48 PM
well benson is at least

Thomas is better then Benson FYI.

played 3 games, (really 2 and a half)

Against Buffalo without a carry in the first half, he got 27 points.
Against the Jets a good defensive team, he got 19 points
Against the Giants he got 7 (and was robbed of 2 scores he's usually the Goal Line back too)

dude's one of the best backs in the NFL at this point, I'd put him right there with DeAngelo and most other top backs in the NFL...Peterson and like MJD are the only RBs that are a clear step above him imho.
</P>


Uhh.. hello.. Ronnie Brown lol..</P>


Benson ain't that good..he's*a product of a good*O-Line, Thomas better but still a product of O-line.. </P>

allegedly, the jets were a good team...

he has Bell taking goalline carries away and reggie bush taking balls away every now and again...

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 01:50 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>

JPizzack
10-20-2009, 01:52 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


those are bold words when I guy has only put up numbers EVER for how many weeks?
Guilty until proven innocent!!</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 01:52 PM
Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</p>
San Diego D on the other hand....

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 01:53 PM
Uhh.. hello.. Ronnie Brown lol..


Benson ain't that good..he'sa product of a goodO-Line, Thomas better but still a product of O-line.
</P>



It really doesn't matter what they are a product of, the fact is they are scoring like ****ing crazy, and yes I forgot about Ronnie Brown he's better too.
</P>


you put Rickey Williams behind those O-Lines and he would be better.. </P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:54 PM
well benson is at least

Thomas is better then Benson FYI.

played 3 games, (really 2 and a half)

Against Buffalo without a carry in the first half, he got 27 points.
Against the Jets a good defensive team, he got 19 points
Against the Giants he got 7 (and was robbed of 2 scores he's usually the Goal Line back too)

dude's one of the best backs in the NFL at this point, I'd put him right there with DeAngelo and most other top backs in the NFL...Peterson and like MJD are the only RBs that are a clear step above him imho.
</p>


Uhh.. hello.. Ronnie Brown lol..</p>


Benson ain't that good..he'sa product of a goodO-Line, Thomas better but still a product of O-line.. </p>

allegedly, the jets were a good team...

he has Bell taking goalline carries away and reggie bush taking balls away every now and again...

Jets had Jenkins, they were a good team, period, and Bell doesn't usually take the goal-line carries, Thomas originally was the Goal-Line back...so that wouldn't make any sense, bell just got a lucky carry this week, the majority of bells carries last week were garbage time carries...and he was still less productive then Thomas.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:55 PM
Uhh.. hello.. Ronnie Brown lol..


Benson ain't that good..he'sa product of a goodO-Line, Thomas better but still a product of O-line.
</p>



It really doesn't matter what they are a product of, the fact is they are scoring like ****ing crazy, and yes I forgot about Ronnie Brown he's better too.
</p>


you put Rickey Williams behind those O-Lines and he would be better.. </p>

wooptie doo, he's NOT behind those lines, and Benson/Thomas are, thus they are better....for Fantasy.

byron
10-20-2009, 01:55 PM
byron and daven trade offers hey matt Christ i thought lost my hard drive ****ing thing wouldn't reboot boot sequence got screwed up some how anyhow i will have a look at the offer

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 01:56 PM
well benson is at least

Thomas is better then Benson FYI.

played 3 games, (really 2 and a half)

Against Buffalo without a carry in the first half, he got 27 points.
Against the Jets a good defensive team, he got 19 points
Against the Giants he got 7 (and was robbed of 2 scores he's usually the Goal Line back too)

dude's one of the best backs in the NFL at this point, I'd put him right there with DeAngelo and most other top backs in the NFL...Peterson and like MJD are the only RBs that are a clear step above him imho.
</p>


Uhh.. hello.. Ronnie Brown lol..</p>


Benson ain't that good..he's*a product of a good*O-Line, Thomas better but still a product of O-line.. </p>

allegedly, the jets were a good team...

he has Bell taking goalline carries away and reggie bush taking balls away every now and again...

Jets had Jenkins, they were a good team, period, and Bell doesn't usually take the goal-line carries, Thomas originally was the Goal-Line back...so that wouldn't make any sense, bell just got a lucky carry this week, the majority of bells carries last week were garbage time carries...and he was still less productive then Thomas.



jets were an overrated team... they had Jenkins up until the t3rd quarter of this past game.... Pierre is more of the every down back now and Bell is the goalline back it seemed.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 01:58 PM
jets were an overrated team... they had Jenkins up until the t3rd quarter of this past game.... Pierre is more of the every down back now and Bell is the goalline back it seemed.

that's not how it seemed to me, I mean, Pierre was on the field, in goal line situations more often then Bell this week, it just so happened Bell punched it in...one of the few times he was in.

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 01:59 PM
Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>



San Diego D on the other hand....
</P>


I'll trade them to you for your worst player.</P>


I am interested in Nicks. Do you want one of my back up RB's. Chester Taylor maybe?</P>

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 02:00 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


ohhh FF. sorry yes he is.. even though he can barely rush for a 100 yards on a team that spreads out a defense with real good WR's.. i'd imagine no D paysa lotattention to him. there was a quote from an old Baltimore rb's (i cannot think of his name) that best decribes Benson.. he said "if you need 2 yards i'll get 3 for you , if you need 10 yards i'll get 3 for you" lol</P>


not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago.. </P>

JPizzack
10-20-2009, 02:00 PM
you put Rickey Williams behind those O-Lines and he would be better.. </P>


i agree with that. I still think Williams is really good.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 02:01 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years of*prior awfullness*says enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else.* It doesn't even matter how good he is.* </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate.* Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


ohhh FF. sorry yes he is.. even though he can barely rush for a 100 yards on a team that spreads out a defense with real good WR's.. i'd imagine no D pays*a lot*attention to him. there was a quote from an old Baltimore rb's (i cannot think of his name) that best decribes Benson.. he said "if you need 2 yards i'll get 3 for you , if you need 10 yards i'll get 3 for you" lol</P>


not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago.. *</P>

Bam Morris?

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:01 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD?

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 02:03 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice.* Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD?

i didn't laugh moorehead... i thoguht it was an excellent pick...

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:03 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


</P>


ohhh FF. sorry yes he is.. even though he can barely rush for a 100 yards on a team that spreads out a defense with real good WR's.. i'd imagine no D paysa lotattention to him. there was a quote from an old Baltimore rb's (i cannot think of his name) that best decribes Benson.. he said "if you need 2 yards i'll get 3 for you , if you need 10 yards i'll get 3 for you" lol</P>


not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago.. </P>


</P>


Joe Washington?......Lydell Mitchell?</P>

JPizzack
10-20-2009, 02:03 PM
not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago..</P>


not Lewis, right?</P>

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:04 PM
By the way, you all laughed<FONT color=#006400> (except</FONT> <FONT color=#006400>Matt)</FONT> when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD? i didn't laugh moorehead... i thoguht it was an excellent pick...

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 02:04 PM
not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago..**</P>


not Lewis, right?</P>

lewis was in balt, i dont htink 10 years ago tho

byron
10-20-2009, 02:05 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD? good pick up there he hurting my boy more and more each week.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:05 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD?

I definitely didn't I probably congratulated you and then tried to trade for him a few times.

(but then I also liked Beanie)

I like young running backs.

I like Donald Brown still I liked Mendenhall I like all those guys...think they will all do well.

JPizzack
10-20-2009, 02:06 PM
not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago..</P>


not Lewis, right?</P>


lewis was in balt, i dont htink 10 years ago tho</P>


Yea i dont think so either....maybe starting 6-7 years ago...
im too lazy to look up who he is referring to. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 02:06 PM
Balts RBs:

96 - Bam
97 - Bam
98 - Priest
99 - Priest/Eric Rhett
00 - Jamal

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 02:07 PM
not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago..</P>


not Lewis, right?</P>


lewis was in balt, i dont htink 10 years ago tho</P>


no it wasn't Lewis. it was a big bowling ball type guy, or maybe not. my memory is shot.. </P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:09 PM
it was a big bowling ball type guy, or maybe not. my memory is shot..

Was it Jamal Lewis?

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:09 PM
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2015/f5bazo.gif

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 02:09 PM
not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago..**</P>


not Lewis, right?</P>


lewis was in balt, i dont htink 10 years ago tho</P>


no it wasn't Lewis. it was a big bowling ball type guy, or maybe not. my memory is shot.. </P>
yea Bam Morris... definitly

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:10 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD?

I definitely didn't I probably congratulated you and then tried to trade for him a few times.

(but then I also liked Beanie)

I like young running backs.

I like Donald Brown still I liked Mendenhall I like all those guys...think they will all do well.
</P>


I love Addai right now too. Rooks (Donald Brown) often breakdown later in an NFL season.</P>

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 02:10 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD?</P>


they all laughed when i picked tynes, he won the first game for me.</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:11 PM
I love Addai right now too. Rooks (Donald Brown) often breakdown later in an NFL season.

I certainly do not love Addai.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 02:12 PM
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2015/f5bazo.giflol

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 02:18 PM
you guys hear that new eminem song with lil wayn, drake, kanye. think its called forever. not a big fan of wayne but its pretty good.

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 02:18 PM
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Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:25 PM
I love Addai right now too. Rooks (Donald Brown) often breakdown later in an NFL season.

I certainly do not love Addai.
</P>


I know you don't but he's been very consistent for me as my flex guy. I actually think that Brown has helped him by keeping him healthy.</P>


</P>

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 02:26 PM
dezzzzzz

offer sent.

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 02:27 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


</P>


ohhh FF. sorry yes he is.. even though he can barely rush for a 100 yards on a team that spreads out a defense with real good WR's.. i'd imagine no D paysa lotattention to him. there was a quote from an old Baltimore rb's (i cannot think of his name) that best decribes Benson.. he said "if you need 2 yards i'll get 3 for you , if you need 10 yards i'll get 3 for you" lol</P>


not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago.. </P>


</P>


Joe Washington?......Lydell Mitchell?</P>


Motley??? lol.</P>


I have a huge Ray Rice collection, so no i did not laugh at you...In fact i believe i payed you a compliment early on...</P>

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 02:30 PM
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Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:31 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


</P>


ohhh FF. sorry yes he is.. even though he can barely rush for a 100 yards on a team that spreads out a defense with real good WR's.. i'd imagine no D paysa lotattention to him. there was a quote from an old Baltimore rb's (i cannot think of his name) that best decribes Benson.. he said "if you need 2 yards i'll get 3 for you , if you need 10 yards i'll get 3 for you" lol</P>


not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago.. </P>


</P>


Joe Washington?......Lydell Mitchell?</P>


Motley??? lol.</P>


I have a huge Ray Rice collection, so no i did not laugh at you...In fact i believe i payed you a compliment early on...</P>


</P>


You did pay me a compliment. (which I appreciate) You essentially said you thought I was nuts to draft Rice at the time but you thought I was getting the last laugh.</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 02:31 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD?
http://www.radio-subterranean.com/atelier/creative_whack_pack/64.give_yourself_a_pat_on_the_back.jpg

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 02:32 PM
dezzzzzz offer sent.sorry guy. i need rbs, dont want to give one to get one

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:32 PM
No thanks Matt. Do you know how long I had to stalk Bandy to get Smith?

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 02:33 PM
dezzzzzz offer sent.sorry guy. i need rbs, dont want to give one to get one

Yeah I took a shot....thought u wanted receivers so I gave up one.

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:33 PM
By the way, you all laughed when I drafted Ray Rice. Who's the #3 back in FF behind only AP and MJD?
http://www.radio-subterranean.com/atelier/creative_whack_pack/64.give_yourself_a_pat_on_the_back.jpg
</P>


You're right. It was a pathetic attempt for some affirmationas a newbie to FF.</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 02:34 PM
I love Addai right now too. Rooks (Donald Brown) often breakdown later in an NFL season.

I certainly do not love Addai.

I do, and that Colts D. [;)]

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 02:35 PM
You're right. It was a pathetic attempt for some affirmationas a newbie to FF.</p>
No it was not. It is great to give yourself self affirmation at times. I tell myself how good looking I am every day when I wake up. I am just glad Peyton fell to the 23rd pick. Some people would like to do that again. Heath Miller in the 15th rd was a great one also.

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 02:36 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


</P>


ohhh FF. sorry yes he is.. even though he can barely rush for a 100 yards on a team that spreads out a defense with real good WR's.. i'd imagine no D paysa lotattention to him. there was a quote from an old Baltimore rb's (i cannot think of his name) that best decribes Benson.. he said "if you need 2 yards i'll get 3 for you , if you need 10 yards i'll get 3 for you" lol</P>


not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago.. </P>


</P>


Joe Washington?......Lydell Mitchell?</P>


Motley??? lol.</P>


I have a huge Ray Rice collection, so no i did not laugh at you...In fact i believe i payed you a compliment early on...</P>


</P>


You did pay me a compliment. (which I appreciate) You essentially said you thought I was nuts to draft Rice at the time but you thought I was getting the last laugh.</P>


LOL-see you misread that.. I was saying your nuts..period.</P>


I said that i was impressed with the way you were playing for a rookie..and that you should have joined FF sooner.</P>


for the record- i still think your nuts..lol.</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 02:37 PM
get Smith?
He has been invisible...

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 02:37 PM
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14281102/call-of-duty-6/videos/mw2_trl_campaigntrailer_100209.html</P>


ill merc ALL of you. </P>

Kase-1
10-20-2009, 02:39 PM
So what Crab Shack in Baltimore is Willis McGahee cleaning tables at, cause the way Ray Rice is playing McGahee should just go full time bus boy..... Maybe he wanted 2 go 2 B-More cause he watched too many eps of 'TheWire' and wanted to live the life of Prop Joe and Cheese, cuz u know he aint no Omar, LOL

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:40 PM
get Smith?
He has been invisible...
</P>


Law of averages baby!!!!</P>

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:41 PM
Benson is ****ING AWFUL. he just looks good with an O-line.
3 years ofprior awfullnesssays enough for me....
</P>


</P>


Jeez you guys.</P>


It doesn't matter if he benifits from the O line, the system or whatever else. It doesn't even matter how good he is. </P>


All that matters is how many FF points does he (and can he) generate. Its doesn't matter why.</P>


Benson is a solid #1 FF RB.</P>


</P>


</P>


ohhh FF. sorry yes he is.. even though he can barely rush for a 100 yards on a team that spreads out a defense with real good WR's.. i'd imagine no D paysa lotattention to him. there was a quote from an old Baltimore rb's (i cannot think of his name) that best decribes Benson.. he said "if you need 2 yards i'll get 3 for you , if you need 10 yards i'll get 3 for you" lol</P>


not knowing his name is going to bug me.. who was BAL's running back about 10 years ago.. </P>


</P>


Joe Washington?......Lydell Mitchell?</P>


Motley??? lol.</P>


I have a huge Ray Rice collection, so no i did not laugh at you...In fact i believe i payed you a compliment early on...</P>


</P>


You did pay me a compliment. (which I appreciate) You essentially said you thought I was nuts to draft Rice at the time but you thought I was getting the last laugh.</P>


LOL-see you misread that.. I was saying your nuts..period.</P>


I said that i was impressed with the way you were playing for a rookie..and that you should have joined FF sooner.</P>


for the record- i still think your nuts..lol.</P>


</P>


No argument there.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 02:42 PM
dezz and pats, trade offers senr

Kase-1
10-20-2009, 02:42 PM
get Smith?
He has been invisible...
I got Carolina Smith in my other league and he got me 0 points last week....... ZERO!!!!!

WT F'N F!!!!

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:44 PM
get Smith?
He has been invisible...
I got Carolina Smith in my other league and he got me 0 points last week....... ZERO!!!!!

WT F'N F!!!!
</P>


I am aware. Fortunatley Ray Rice got me 31. I actually had 2 goose eggs this week.</P>


i figure that against good teams, Carolina will have to throw the ball. They can beat TB by running only, but not Atlanta and NO.</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 02:44 PM
get Smith?
He has been invisible...
</p>


Law of averages baby!!!!</p>
LOL. I guess we will see...

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 02:45 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 02:47 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?

I guess it's Ward.

unfortunately I have Santonio in my 50 League.

I offered Steve SMith ( NYG ) and Matt Cassell for DeAngelo Williams yesterday.

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 02:48 PM
get Smith?
He has been invisible...
I got Carolina Smith in my other league and he got me 0 points last week....... ZERO!!!!!

WT F'N F!!!!

The back up TE had more points. Something is wrong in Carolina.

Panthers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/29) receiver Steve Smith (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/996), who caught one pass for four yards against the Bucs (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/27) on Sunday, said after the game:<font color="#ff0000"> </font><font color="#0000ff" size="4">"I'm no longer an asset to this team."</font>

Smith, who has six career 100-plus yard games against the<font color="#000000"> Bucs (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/27),
has 21 receptions this season for for 259 yards and no touchdowns this
season. <font color="#0000ff">"Two guys are committed to him every play,"</font> said quarterback Jake Delhomme (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/577).</font><font color="#0000ff"> <font color="#0000ff">"We try to take shot shots, but it's difficult."</font></font>

Until someone else proves they can beat em Smith is going to get locked down. If the Bucs did that imagine what a good defense will continue to do.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:48 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?

Holmes is the clear #1 Receiver on Pittsburgh, Ward is the Possession guy.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 02:48 PM
If it gets ugly next Sunday night I am not watching the whole game again. That was PAINFUL last week !!!

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:49 PM
Dez you keep asking for RB's I keep offering you RB's RB's that are better then the WR I'm asking to get back for them, I'm giving you 2 players 2 RB's if you want, that are better then the WR I want back and you aren't making the trade, clearly you don't think you need RB's so why do you keep saying you do.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 02:52 PM
I liked the way Buckhalter ran last night. He looks quick.

Wish Denver wasn't on the BYE htis weekend so I could FLEX him.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 02:53 PM
Dez you keep asking for RB's I keep offering you RB's RB's that are better then the WR I'm asking to get back for them, I'm giving you 2 players 2 RB's if you want, that are better then the WR I want back and you aren't making the trade, clearly you don't think you need RB's so why do you keep saying you do.


maybe he doesn't like the RB's u are offering...

U didn't offer him "Fast " Willy did u ??

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 02:53 PM
Dez you keep asking for RB's I keep offering you RB's RB's that are better then the WR I'm asking to get back for them, I'm giving you 2 players 2 RB's if you want, that are better then the WR I want back and you aren't making the trade, clearly you don't think you need RB's so why do you keep saying you do.
</P>


Daven, since you hate Willy Parker so much, I'll give you the SD defense (vs. KC) for fast Willie.</P>


To cover your bye.</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:53 PM
Dez you keep asking for RB's I keep offering you RB's RB's that are better then the WR I'm asking to get back for them, I'm giving you 2 players 2 RB's if you want, that are better then the WR I want back and you aren't making the trade, clearly you don't think you need RB's so why do you keep saying you do.
</p>


Daven, since you hate Willy Parker so much, I'll give you the SD defense (vs. KC) for fast Willie.</p>


To cover your bye.</p>

Depends on the waiver wire, keep that there though I'd totally do it if I don't get the defense I'm trying to get atm.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 02:55 PM
maybe he doesn't like the RB's u are offering...

U didn't offer him "Fast " Willy did u ??

I offered him any RB I have except...(obviously) Thomas or Benson since they are both studs atm, for Greg Jennings whose done nothing (less then Devin Hester) this season, I'm letting him pick...ontop of giving him a RB thats better then the WR I'm asking back I'm offering ANOTHER RB or Devin Hester in return...and he's turning it down lol.

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 02:57 PM
SD defense </p>
???

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 02:57 PM
dezz and pats, trade offers senr I talked to Wes, and he said he would like to stay where he is at...lol.</P>


Now if you would have thought of me and gotten a Eli and Amani autograph, things could have been different. hehehe.</P>

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 02:59 PM
maybe he doesn't like the RB's u are offering...

U didn't offer him "Fast " Willy did u ??

I offered him any RB I have except...(obviously) Thomas or Benson since they are both studs atm, for Greg Jennings whose done nothing (less then Devin Hester) this season, I'm letting him pick...ontop of giving him a RB thats better then the WR I'm asking back I'm offering ANOTHER RB or Devin Hester in return...and he's turning it down lol.



I guess he has patience in G.Jennings.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:00 PM
Daven I'll trade u Phi D' @ Wsh. for J. Stewart !

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:01 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?

Holmes is the clear #1 Receiver on Pittsburgh, Ward is the Possession guy.


more receptions, more yards, more tds, more big plays... and yet not the #1 WR... hmmmmm???

sounds like somebody needs to just admit they are wrong, at least to this point inthe season

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:02 PM
In my other League my receivers are

Roddy White, D.Bowe, Santonio, S.Smith ( NYG ), and M.Sims -Walker !!!

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:03 PM
Phi' D anybody ???

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:03 PM
Daven I'll trade u Phi D' @ Wsh. for J. Stewart !</P>


Pure evil, Shocks. He's playing good ol' Morehead this week.</P>

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:04 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:04 PM
get Smith?
He has been invisible...
I got Carolina Smith in my other league and he got me 0 points last week....... ZERO!!!!!

WT F'N F!!!!

The back up TE had more points. Something is wrong in Carolina.

Panthers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/29) receiver Steve Smith (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/996), who caught one pass for four yards against the Bucs (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/27) on Sunday, said after the game:<FONT color=#ff0000> </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>"I'm no longer an asset to this team."</FONT> Smith, who has six career 100-plus yard games against the<FONT color=#000000> Bucs (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/27), has 21 receptions this season for for 259 yards and no touchdowns this season. <FONT color=#0000ff>"Two guys are committed to him every play,"</FONT> said quarterback Jake Delhomme (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/577).</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff> <FONT color=#0000ff>"We try to take shot shots, but it's difficult."</FONT></FONT>

Until someone else proves they can beat em Smith is going to get locked down. If the Bucs did that imagine what a good defense will continue to do.
did you see the way Dallas covered Smith? a couple of weeks back.. a DB with the Safety right over top of Smith.. not even the great Ocho would be productive against that..

Kase-1
10-20-2009, 03:04 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?Depends on what you mean by #1... Like who does Big Ben looks for, who gets more TDs, who gets more yds, or who has a higher avg in fantasy football points?????

Overall Holmes has overtaken the duties of '#1 WR' in Pitt even thought Ward is still a main focus of the offense.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:04 PM
I liked the way Buckhalter ran last night. He looks quick. Wish Denver wasn't on the BYE htis weekend so I could FLEX him.</P>


i dont know man. i dont want to give up jennings for cadilac going against new england</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:04 PM
dezz offer sent

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:04 PM
Daven I'll trade u Phi D' @ Wsh. for J. Stewart !</P>


Pure evil, Shocks.* He's playing good ol' Morehead this week.</P>

I don't think he'll go for it Morehead.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:05 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</P>


yea what did you say besides wispering" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:05 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?Depends on what you mean by #1... Like who does Big Ben looks for, who gets more TDs, who gets more yds, or who has a higher avg in fantasy football points?????

Overall Holmes has overtaken the duties of '#1 WR' in Pitt even thought Ward is still a main focus of the offense.


everything u mentioend goes to Ward at the moment...

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:05 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?

Holmes is the clear #1 Receiver on Pittsburgh, Ward is the Possession guy.


more receptions, more yards, more tds, more big plays... and yet not the #1 WR... hmmmmm???

sounds like somebody needs to just admit they are wrong, at least to this point inthe season

#1 WR to me is about the speed size and overall physical ability of a WR... Santonio Holmes is the bigger the faster the better athletic receiver, he's probably drawing more coverage (I'm not watching all their games) which could be part of the reason his stats don't show it, It could also be Ward using his experienced to his advantage, but in the end Santonio Holmes will be the better receiver (eventually) if he's not already better.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:06 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</p>


yea what did you say besides wispering" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</p>

i said tell big brother hes right, Joe Buck is a ******bag towards you

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:07 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</P>


yea what did you say besides wispering" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</P>


</P>


You mean besides the hex he put on him.</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:07 PM
Daven I'll trade u Phi D' @ Wsh. for J. Stewart !</p>


Pure evil, Shocks. He's playing good ol' Morehead this week.</p>

don't worry Morehead, I can't do that Stewart is a solid RB, I can't give him up for a one week Defense.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:07 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</p>


yea what did you say besides wispering*" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</p>

i said tell big brother hes right, Joe Buck is a ******bag towards you


lmao !

I woulda thanked him for SB 42 !

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:08 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</P>


yea what did you say besides wispering" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</P>

i said tell big brother hes right, Joe Buck is a ******bag towards you
hahahaha you saw that interview? i love that whole family. theyre great.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:08 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?

Holmes is the clear #1 Receiver on Pittsburgh, Ward is the Possession guy.


more receptions, more yards, more tds, more big plays... and yet not the #1 WR... hmmmmm???

sounds like somebody needs to just admit they are wrong, at least to this point inthe season

#1 WR to me is about the speed size and overall physical ability of a WR... Santonio Holmes is the bigger the faster the better athletic receiver, he's probably drawing more coverage (I'm not watching all their games) which could be part of the reason his stats don't show it, It could also be Ward using his experienced to his advantage, but in the end Santonio Holmes will be the better receiver (eventually) if he's not already better.


soooo then Ramses Barden and James Hardy and Limas Sweet are all #1 WRs?

its amazing how you'll fight a point even though you dont' have a stitch of fact to support it and all the facts are against you lol

EDIT: and since when is a #1 WR debatable. Being a #1 is based off performance, not height or speed.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:08 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</P>


yea what did you say besides wispering*" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</P>


</P>


You mean besides the hex he put on him.</P>


Don't poke the bear....

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:10 PM
About Ramses Barden....where is he exactly ??

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:10 PM
Daven I'll trade u Phi D' @ Wsh. for J. Stewart !</p>


Pure evil, Shocks.* He's playing good ol' Morehead this week.</p>

don't worry Morehead, I can't do that Stewart is a solid RB, I can't give him up for a one week Defense.



"fast " willy ??

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:11 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</P>


yea what did you say besides wispering" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</P>


</P>


You mean besides the hex he put on him.</P>


Don't poke the bear....</P>


Check out Matts right hand in that photo. Its a HEX. Did you notice how Eli reverted back to his rookie season on Sunday.</P>


Now thats two purposes Matt has for his right hand.</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:12 PM
soooo then Ramses Barden and James Hardy and Limas Sweet are all #1 WRs?

They fit the mold yes.


its amazing how you'll fight a point even though you dont' have a stitch of fact to support it and all the facts are against you lol

you say the facts are against me whether they are or aren't MMB, I'm pretty sure the facts will support my opinion that #1 WR's (using your opinion of what it is) will most of the time match, what my opinion is.

Stats Lie....constantly, they are almost completely irrelevant when evaluating talent, for example, Benson being one of the best RB's in the NFL this year.....Benson isn't good...he's on a good team, Santonio Holmes is the bigger threat on Pit...he likely gets more coverage, that's why Ward (one of the best SECOND WR's in the NFL) looks so good right now.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:13 PM
Hey MAtt what did u say to Eli when u met him ??</P>


yea what did you say besides wispering*" meet me in the bathroom in 5 minutes"</P>


</P>


You mean besides the hex he put on him.</P>


Don't poke the bear....</P>


Check out Matts right hand in that photo.* Its a HEX.* Did you notice how Eli reverted back to his rookie season on Sunday.</P>


Now thats two purposes Matt has for his right hand.</P>

I would'nt have touched him. C'mon MAtt !!

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:13 PM
EDIT: and since when is a #1 WR debatable. Being a #1 is based off performance, not height or speed.


since the term was created most likely, I seriously doubt that everyone agrees that just because a WR catches the most passes he's the Number 1 WR...that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Kase-1
10-20-2009, 03:15 PM
before i go...

so whose the #1 in Pitt again? Holmes or Ward?

Holmes is the clear #1 Receiver on Pittsburgh, Ward is the Possession guy.


more receptions, more yards, more tds, more big plays... and yet not the #1 WR... hmmmmm???

sounds like somebody needs to just admit they are wrong, at least to this point inthe seasonYo Matt Santonio is the '#1 WR in Pitt'. Hines may have better stats (1td and 160yds more, but Santonio has a higher YPC) so far but if you watch the Steeler games, Id compare it to how we used Amani and Plax in 07. Plax was drawing the double teams much more often but he was still our '#1 WR' so Amani got more open looks

.... I know ya love fighting with Daven, but you're wrong on this one pops

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:15 PM
Daven I'll trade u Phi D' @ Wsh. for J. Stewart !</p>


Pure evil, Shocks. He's playing good ol' Morehead this week.</p>

don't worry Morehead, I can't do that Stewart is a solid RB, I can't give him up for a one week Defense.



"fast " willy ??

Maybe, I have to see about my Waiver pickup, if it doesn't go through then I'll worry about whether I want Philly or San Diego.

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 03:15 PM
EDIT: and since when is a #1 WR debatable. Being a #1 is based off performance, not height or speed.


since the term was created most likely, I seriously doubt that everyone agrees that just because a WR catches the most passes he's the Number 1 WR...that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...
Your catching on...lol.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:15 PM
NYG's chance to redeem is very far away right now.
Let N.O. get #1 seed. I don't want Eli throwing in those swirling Jan. winds anyway !!!


**** !!!

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:17 PM
This may be an epic battle this week Daven.</P>


Youre team may be slightly stronger since I don't have Rice, but your matchups are a little tougher.</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:17 PM
soooo then Ramses Barden and James Hardy and Limas Sweet are all #1 WRs?

They fit the mold yes.


its amazing how you'll fight a point even though you dont' have a stitch of fact to support it and all the facts are against you lol

you say the facts are against me whether they are or aren't MMB, I'm pretty sure the facts will support my opinion that #1 WR's (using your opinion of what it is) will most of the time match, what my opinion is.

Stats Lie....constantly, they are almost completely irrelevant when evaluating talent, for example, Benson being one of the best RB's in the NFL this year.....Benson isn't good...he's on a good team, Santonio Holmes is the bigger threat on Pit...he likely gets more coverage, that's why Ward (one of the best SECOND WR's in the NFL) looks so good right now.
<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/depthchart?team=PIT">
Pitt Steelers depth chart. Debate over...</a>

JPizzack
10-20-2009, 03:18 PM
Did someone say Steamin' Willie Beaman?

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:18 PM
NYG's chance to redeem is very far away right now.
Let N.O. get #1 seed. I don't want Eli throwing in those swirling Jan. winds anyway !!!


**** !!!

Well, Id Rather Brees and the Saints have to rely on their running game to beat us then their passing game...

I think if it turned into a ground and pound type of game we have the advantage, if it's in a dome and turns to a shoot out we are going to lose I think.

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:18 PM
NYG's chance to redeem is very far away right now. Let N.O. get #1 seed. I don't want Eli throwing in those swirling Jan. winds anyway !!! **** !!!</P>


We definately want Brees throwing in those winds though.</P>


Do you really want to go back to that dome.</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:18 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:19 PM
soooo then Ramses Barden and James Hardy and Limas Sweet are all #1 WRs?

They fit the mold yes.


its amazing how you'll fight a point even though you dont' have a stitch of fact to support it and all the facts are against you lol

you say the facts are against me whether they are or aren't MMB, I'm pretty sure the facts will support my opinion that #1 WR's (using your opinion of what it is) will most of the time match, what my opinion is.

Stats Lie....constantly, they are almost completely irrelevant when evaluating talent, for example, Benson being one of the best RB's in the NFL this year.....Benson isn't good...he's on a good team, Santonio Holmes is the bigger threat on Pit...he likely gets more coverage, that's why Ward (one of the best SECOND WR's in the NFL) looks so good right now.


i know stats don't tell the whole story, but one story they do tell is who is your #1 WR. Holmes is NOT getting double teamed FYI.

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:19 PM
.... I know ya love fighting with Daven, but you're wrong on this one pops

Agreed

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:20 PM
This may be an epic battle this week Daven.</p>


Youre team may be slightly stronger since I don't have Rice, but your matchups are a little tougher.</p>
I am hoping Evil prevails. ( purely based on the fact you are a bigger threat )

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:20 PM
NYG's chance to redeem is very far away right now. Let N.O. get #1 seed. I don't want Eli throwing in those swirling Jan. winds anyway !!! **** !!!</P>


We definately want Brees throwing in those winds though.</P>


Do you really want to go back to that dome.</P>

He can handle the winds better than Eli I'll bet though....I dunno. If given the choice I want to be able to throw too !

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:21 PM
<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/depthchart?team=PIT">
Pitt Steelers depth chart. Debate over...</a>


http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

So Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler aren't the #1 WR and #1 TE's on Denver then....

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:22 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...


Moss has more TDs, yards, receptions , and long balls aren't even a competition

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:22 PM
I still can't believe they ran the ball <font size="6">40</font> times.

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:22 PM
I still would LOVE to have Brandon Marshall on NYG !

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:23 PM
.... I know ya love fighting with Daven, but you're wrong on this one pops

Agreed
</P>


What the hell does this come from.</P>

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:24 PM
i am a definate with +1... once i am over this stupid flu ill shoot out an email to a few people to get the crowd bigger (and to get more girls for all you pigs) lol ill keep you posted as my number of guests rises but me and gabby are in for now!! [:D]</p>

I am still trying to figure out these simple life problems

1. Why girls like you could not have been born in 1990

2. Why girls like you did not attend my high school

Every single girl I have ever met does not watch sports... **sigh**







HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA HHAHA !

blt

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:24 PM
MMB.. do you know the poster named Barran21.. is he a friend?

shocknaweny
10-20-2009, 03:25 PM
i am a definate with +1... once i am over this stupid flu ill shoot out an email to a few people to get the crowd bigger (and to get more girls for all you pigs) lol ill keep you posted as my number of guests rises but me and gabby are in for now!! [:D]</p>

I am still trying to figure out these simple life problems

1. Why girls like you could not have been born in 1990

2. Why girls like you did not attend my high school

Every single girl I have ever met does not watch sports... **sigh**







HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA HHAHA !

blt

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:25 PM
<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/depthchart?team=PIT">
Pitt Steelers depth chart. Debate over...</a>


http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

So Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler aren't the #1 WR and #1 TE's on Denver then....



This is just getting silly. Boldin, Houz when he played for Cincy, Reggie Wayne when Marvin was there. The list goes on and on and on.

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 03:25 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...
Wes is our number one receiver..He is our go to guy EVERY game.</P>


Most of the time, we only throw to Moss when the safety is not rolling over to him.</P>


When we need those tough yards- we go to Wes, not Moss.</P>


Everybody else thinks its Moss because all he does is catch touchdowns....lol.</P>


In my opinion, i would take the guy who can get open when absolutely needed..</P>


Kinda like your Steve Smith.</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:26 PM
i know stats don't tell the whole story, but one story they do tell is who is your #1 WR. Holmes is NOT getting double teamed FYI.


Says you, I don't think Stats have anything to do with who the number 1 WR is.

it's kinda like using Int's to determine who your best CB is on defense, it's ******ed, because they don't throw it at him as much because he's your best CB.

Teams with multiple "Good" WR's often throw it to the #2 guy more then the #1....because the #1 draws more coverage.

teams like Hou who have Andre and.....? Walter? yeah they throw it to Andre all the time because the difference is dramatic.

but Ward IS good he gets open, he's not as good as Santonio but since he is good he gets more passes BECAUSE of Santonio.....just as I predict Cotchery will see more receptions then Edwards even though Edwards is clearly the better receiver.

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:26 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...


Moss has more TDs, yards, receptions , and long balls aren't even a competition

So what? He is the #1. So is Holmes and countless others. Our offense and others has no #1. If that were the case don't you think Ward would have been taken in ALL drafts ahead of Holmes. Just concede. lol

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:26 PM
<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/depthchart?team=PIT">
Pitt Steelers depth chart. Debate over...</a>


http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

So Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler aren't the #1 WR and #1 TE's on Denver then....




uhm... landos link? They are both listed as starters, i dont see what that proves?

and Brandon Marshall too has the most receptions, yards, and tds...

are u guys on crack?

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:27 PM
.... I know ya love fighting with Daven, but you're wrong on this one pops

Agreed
</p>


What the hell does this come from.</p>
For the first time in his life Daven is right about something. I have to give him credt.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:29 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...
Wes is our number one receiver..He is our go to guy EVERY game.</p>


Most of the time, we only throw to Moss when the safety is not rolling over to him.</p>


When we need those tough yards- we go to Wes, not Moss.</p>


Everybody else thinks its Moss because all he does is catch touchdowns....lol.</p>


In my opinion, i would take the guy who can get open when absolutely needed..</p>


Kinda like your Steve Smith.</p>

see this is again were our definitions are different, Steve Smith isn't and never will be the Giants #1 WR in my opinion, Manningham can be, Nicks can be, hell even Barden might be one day, but Smith is our Wes Welker, his our Possesion Receiver our go to guy, but NOT our #1.

the Number 1 receiver for the pats IS Moss, even if Welker had more yards/TD's/Receptions etc etc....Moss would still be the #1 imho because he's the bigger threat each and every play to take it to the house.

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:30 PM
.... I know ya love fighting with Daven, but you're wrong on this one pops

Agreed
</P>


What the hell does this come from.</P>



For the first time in his life Daven is right about something. I have to give him credt.
</P>


You're right, he was right about whatever this was about. </P>


Unless it was about dynasties or current champions.</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:31 PM
and Brandon Marshall too has the most receptions, yards, and tds...

are u guys on crack?


Brandon Marshall isn't #1 on their Depth Chart though, so how can he be the #1 when the team is saying someone else is.

the point is the term #1 Receiver is not what you think it is, Stats don't make a receiver the #1 receiver for a team.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:31 PM
<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/depthchart?team=PIT">
Pitt Steelers depth chart. Debate over...</a>


http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

So Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler aren't the #1 WR and #1 TE's on Denver then....



This is just getting silly. Boldin, Houz when he played for Cincy, Reggie Wayne when Marvin was there. The list goes on and on and on.


Ocho had 3 years of 1400 yards and TDs and was the #1 in cincy

Fitz always has better #s than Boldin including this year

and except for Wayne and Harrisons last year... Harrison was always the #1

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:33 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...


Moss has more TDs, yards, receptions , and long balls aren't even a competition

So what? He is the #1. So is Holmes and countless others. Our offense and others has no #1. If that were the case don't you think Ward would have been taken in ALL drafts ahead of Holmes. Just concede. lol


im saying the stats will judge and daven said that would make welker #1.... and thats false... cuz Moss would still be the #1

so thats what

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:33 PM
It's opinion.

Matt thinks no matter what, if a WR has the best stats for his team then he is automatically crowned the #1 WR.

personally I think which ever WR the opposing teams DC is most worried about is the #1 WR (infact it can change each week depending on the team your facing imho)

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 03:34 PM
Matt has become the new Morehead.

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:35 PM
Unless it was about dynasties or current champions.</p>
Those were fun times.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:36 PM
im saying the stats will judge and daven said that would make welker #1.... and thats false... cuz Moss would still be the #1

so thats what

So 40 more receptions and 100 yards more receiving constitutes a WORSE season?

Welker was NE #1 WR last year going by statistics, clearly that's not true, but using your logic that's how it is.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:37 PM
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/JeterThrow5150361_Yankees_v_Royals.jpg

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:37 PM
<A href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/depthchart?team=PIT">
Pitt Steelers depth chart. Debate over...</A>


http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/depthchart?team=DEN

So Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler aren't the #1 WR and #1 TE's on Denver then....



This is just getting silly. Boldin, Houz when he played for Cincy, Reggie Wayne when Marvin was there. The list goes on and on and on.
<FONT color=#0000ff>Ocho had 3 years of 1400 yards and TDs and was the #1 in cincy</FONT> Fitz always has better #s than Boldin including this year and except for Wayne and Harrisons last year... Harrison was always the #1</P>


who would debate that.. and Ocho still is the #1</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 03:38 PM
Matt has become the new Morehead.
He has to grow the stache first.

byron
10-20-2009, 03:39 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</P>

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:40 PM
Matt has become the new Morehead.
He has to grow the stache first.
http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads/2009/03/ron_burgundy.jpg

byron
10-20-2009, 03:41 PM
Matt has become the new Morehead.
He has to grow the stache first.
thats going to be a few years

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:41 PM
http://dunningrb.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/arod.jpg

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:41 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</p>

that's pretty good, I like that one...I want that to be my new definition of it too.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:42 PM
and Brandon Marshall too has the most receptions, yards, and tds...

are u guys on crack?


Brandon Marshall isn't #1 on their Depth Chart though, so how can he be the #1 when the team is saying someone else is.

the point is the term #1 Receiver is not what you think it is, Stats don't make a receiver the #1 receiver for a team.


lol that isn't even my argument, thats landos argument trying to help ur cause

by my standards Marshall WOULD be the starter

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:43 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</p>

that's pretty good, I like that one..

Wait, no, because good QB's don't want to move the saftey towards the WR they want to throw too, good QB's look off safties and don't stare down their best WR...so I take that back.

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 03:43 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...
Wes is our number one receiver..He is our go to guy EVERY game.</P>


Most of the time, we only throw to Moss when the safety is not rolling over to him.</P>


When we need those tough yards- we go to Wes, not Moss.</P>


Everybody else thinks its Moss because all he does is catch touchdowns....lol.</P>


In my opinion, i would take the guy who can get open when absolutely needed..</P>


Kinda like your Steve Smith.</P>




see this is again were our definitions are different, Steve Smith isn't and never will be the Giants #1 WR in my opinion, Manningham can be, Nicks can be, hell even Barden might be one day, but Smith is our Wes Welker, his our Possesion Receiver our go to guy, but NOT our #1.

the Number 1 receiver for the pats IS Moss, even if Welker had more yards/TD's/Receptions etc etc....Moss would still be the #1 imho because he's the bigger threat each and every play to take it to the house.
Oh i get it, now your picking on the guy because he is short...lol.</P>


I understand your theory about big play ability and being able to stretch the field.</P>


To me, #1 is option 1....and on our team, option 1 is Welker most of the time..</P>


And on 3rd and 7, its just about always Welk.</P>

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:43 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</P>


</P>


i have to disagree.. its the guy that gets the most attention of the "D" Moss Plax Ocho TO (maybe not so much this year due to can't throw deep Edwards). thats the #1</P>


the don't dble or roll coverage to #2 wr's</P>

byron
10-20-2009, 03:46 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</P>

that's pretty good, I like that one..

Wait, no, because good QB's don't want to move the saftey towards the WR they want to throw too, good QB's look off safties and don't stare down their best WR...so I take that back.
they can still look off pump fake no?

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:47 PM
It's opinion.

Matt thinks no matter what, if a WR has the best stats for his team then he is automatically crowned the #1 WR.

personally I think which ever WR the opposing teams DC is most worried about is the #1 WR (infact it can change each week depending on the team your facing imho)


if a WR dominates all receiving stats and requires top corner coverage.... he is the #1...

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:47 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...
Wes is our number one receiver..He is our go to guy EVERY game.</P>


Most of the time, we only throw to Moss when the safety is not rolling over to him.</P>


When we need those tough yards- we go to Wes, not Moss.</P>


Everybody else thinks its Moss because all he does is catch touchdowns....lol.</P>


In my opinion, i would take the guy who can get open when absolutely needed..</P>


Kinda like your Steve Smith.</P>




see this is again were our definitions are different, Steve Smith isn't and never will be the Giants #1 WR in my opinion, Manningham can be, Nicks can be, hell even Barden might be one day, but Smith is our Wes Welker, his our Possesion Receiver our go to guy, but NOT our #1.

the Number 1 receiver for the pats IS Moss, even if Welker had more yards/TD's/Receptions etc etc....Moss would still be the #1 imho because he's the bigger threat each and every play to take it to the house.
Oh i get it, now your picking on the guy because he is short...lol.</P>


I understand your theory about big play ability and being able to stretch the field.</P>


To me, #1 is option 1....and on our team, option 1 is Welker most of the time..</P>


And on 3rd and 7, its just about always Welk.</P>


</P>


and if Moss wasn't double covered on passing downs do you still think Welker would get the look? i don't watch alot of NE, but i'd imagine welkers plays are based on Moss getting extra attention. </P>

byron
10-20-2009, 03:49 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</P>


</P>


i have to disagree.. its the guy that gets the most attention of the "D" Moss Plax Ocho TO (maybe not so much this year due to can't throw deep Edwards). thats the #1</P>


the don't dble or roll coverage to #2 wr's</P> in tecncal teamsmaybe but don't you think they got an idea where they want to go with ball first and then check down...i might be over my head...lol[:P]

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:51 PM
im saying the stats will judge and daven said that would make welker #1.... and thats false... cuz Moss would still be the #1

so thats what

So 40 more receptions and 100 yards more receiving constitutes a WORSE season?

Welker was NE #1 WR last year going by statistics, clearly that's not true, but using your logic that's how it is.


wrong, there are 5 things which decide in these close call WR situations who the #1 is.

- Receptions
- Yards
- Touchdowns
- Big Plays
- Who gets covered by the stud corners

3 out of 5 go to Moss.. hence he would of been the #1

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:53 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</P>


</P>


i have to disagree.. its the guy that gets the most attention of the "D" Moss Plax Ocho TO (maybe not so much this year due to can't throw deep Edwards). thats the #1</P>


the don't dble or roll coverage to #2 wr's</P>


in tecncal teamsmaybe but don't you think they got an idea where they want to go with ball first and then check down...i might be over my head...lol[:P]</P>


for sure they have hot reads but its based on whos getting the most attention allowing for a match up else where.. </P>

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 03:54 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...
Wes is our number one receiver..He is our go to guy EVERY game.</P>


Most of the time, we only throw to Moss when the safety is not rolling over to him.</P>


When we need those tough yards- we go to Wes, not Moss.</P>


Everybody else thinks its Moss because all he does is catch touchdowns....lol.</P>


In my opinion, i would take the guy who can get open when absolutely needed..</P>


Kinda like your Steve Smith.</P>




see this is again were our definitions are different, Steve Smith isn't and never will be the Giants #1 WR in my opinion, Manningham can be, Nicks can be, hell even Barden might be one day, but Smith is our Wes Welker, his our Possesion Receiver our go to guy, but NOT our #1.

the Number 1 receiver for the pats IS Moss, even if Welker had more yards/TD's/Receptions etc etc....Moss would still be the #1 imho because he's the bigger threat each and every play to take it to the house.
Oh i get it, now your picking on the guy because he is short...lol.</P>


I understand your theory about big play ability and being able to stretch the field.</P>


To me, #1 is option 1....and on our team, option 1 is Welker most of the time..</P>


And on 3rd and 7, its just about always Welk.</P>


</P>


and if Moss wasn't double covered on passing downs do you still think Welker would get the look? i don't watch alot of NE, but i'd imagine welkers plays are based on Moss getting extra attention. </P>


Our offense revolves around #83..he is a freak of nature. Moss is just a freak. lol.</P>


Welker runs great routes and has great hands. We run many many plays designed to get him the ball in open space..</P>


In a typical game, he has probably twice as many plays designed for him, versus Moss.</P>

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:55 PM
i think we got 3 number 1 wrs....[:)]

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:56 PM
im saying the stats will judge and daven said that would make welker #1.... and thats false... cuz Moss would still be the #1 so thats what

So 40 more receptions and 100 yards more receiving constitutes a WORSE season?

Welker was NE #1 WR last year going by statistics, clearly that's not true, but using your logic that's how it is.
wrong, there are 5 things which decide in these close call WR situations who the #1 is. - Receptions - Yards - Touchdowns - Big Plays - Who gets covered by the stud corners 3 out of 5 go to Moss.. hence he would of been the #1</P>


is this "opposite" day.. welker is basically a check down after a look toMoss to see if open..this thread has become more in sane than the rest of the MB threads.. lol</P>

byron
10-20-2009, 03:56 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</P>


</P>


i have to disagree.. its the guy that gets the most attention of the "D" Moss Plax Ocho TO (maybe not so much this year due to can't throw deep Edwards). thats the #1</P>


the don't dble or roll coverage to #2 wr's</P>


in tecncal teamsmaybe but don't you think they got an idea where they want to go with ball first and then check down...i might be over my head...lol[:P]</P>


for sure they have hot reads but its based on whos getting the most attention allowing for a match up else where.. </P> hot read #1 choice for said play...thats all I'm saying..aaah its all part of it ain't it

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 03:57 PM
im saying the stats will judge and daven said that would make welker #1.... and thats false... cuz Moss would still be the #1 so thats what

So 40 more receptions and 100 yards more receiving constitutes a WORSE season?

Welker was NE #1 WR last year going by statistics, clearly that's not true, but using your logic that's how it is.
wrong, there are 5 things which decide in these close call WR situations who the #1 is. - Receptions - Yards - Touchdowns - Big Plays - Who gets covered by the stud corners 3 out of 5 go to Moss.. hence he would of been the #1</P>


is this "opposite" day.. welker is basically a check down after a look to*Moss to see if open..*this thread has become more in sane than the rest of the MB threads.. lol*</P>

the numbers will show that...


... that is if Randy is still Randy. And this year, Randy is still Randy

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 03:57 PM
that would make Wes Welker not Randy Moss NE number 1...

Now the debate is really over...
Wes is our number one receiver..He is our go to guy EVERY game.</P>


Most of the time, we only throw to Moss when the safety is not rolling over to him.</P>


When we need those tough yards- we go to Wes, not Moss.</P>


Everybody else thinks its Moss because all he does is catch touchdowns....lol.</P>


In my opinion, i would take the guy who can get open when absolutely needed..</P>


Kinda like your Steve Smith.</P>




see this is again were our definitions are different, Steve Smith isn't and never will be the Giants #1 WR in my opinion, Manningham can be, Nicks can be, hell even Barden might be one day, but Smith is our Wes Welker, his our Possesion Receiver our go to guy, but NOT our #1.

the Number 1 receiver for the pats IS Moss, even if Welker had more yards/TD's/Receptions etc etc....Moss would still be the #1 imho because he's the bigger threat each and every play to take it to the house.
Oh i get it, now your picking on the guy because he is short...lol.</P>


I understand your theory about big play ability and being able to stretch the field.</P>


To me, #1 is option 1....and on our team, option 1 is Welker most of the time..</P>


And on 3rd and 7, its just about always Welk.</P>


</P>


and if Moss wasn't double covered on passing downs do you still think Welker would get the look? i don't watch alot of NE, but i'd imagine welkers plays are based on Moss getting extra attention. </P>


Our offense revolves around #83..he is a freak of nature. Moss is just a freak. lol.</P>


Welker runs great routes and has great hands. We run many many plays designed to get him the ball in open space..</P>


In a typical game, he has probably twice as many plays designed for him, versus Moss.</P>reeally? wow didnt know that

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 03:58 PM
if a WR dominates all receiving stats and requires top corner coverage.... he is the #1...

In your opinion, I disagree, obviously, I think the #1 is whichever receiver draws the most attention from the defense, if that attention allows another receiver on his team to amass greater statistics then him, that doesn't take the title of #1 receiver away from him.

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 03:58 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups?

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 03:59 PM
im saying the stats will judge and daven said that would make welker #1.... and thats false... cuz Moss would still be the #1 so thats what

So 40 more receptions and 100 yards more receiving constitutes a WORSE season?

Welker was NE #1 WR last year going by statistics, clearly that's not true, but using your logic that's how it is.
wrong, there are 5 things which decide in these close call WR situations who the #1 is. - Receptions - Yards - Touchdowns - Big Plays - Who gets covered by the stud corners 3 out of 5 go to Moss.. hence he would of been the #1</P>


is this "opposite" day.. welker is basically a check down after a look toMoss to see if open..this thread has become more in sane than the rest of the MB threads.. lol</P>


wow tell me about it..I think i will go home and argue with my cat..</P>


Welker is #1 in my heart...lol.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:01 PM
if a WR dominates all receiving stats and requires top corner coverage.... he is the #1...

In your opinion, I disagree, obviously, I think the #1 is whichever receiver draws the most attention from the defense, if that attention allows another receiver on his team to amass greater statistics then him, that doesn't take the title of #1 receiver away from him.


okay but isn't putting ur stud corner on a specific WR alot of attention?

And you know waht, you've been KILLING TO and saying hes done but i've seen more Bills games than i ever wanted to so far this season and he gets more attention than ANYONE on that team...

so whose the #1 in buffalo?

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:02 PM
the numbers will show that...


... that is if Randy is still Randy. And this year, Randy is still Randy

Last year Randy wasn't Randy then?

cause Wes Welker had 111 receptions and 1,165 yards to Randy Moss's 69 receptions and 1006 (?) yards.

guess that means Welker was the #1 last year by your logic right Matt?

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:03 PM
if a WR dominates all receiving stats and requires top corner coverage.... he is the #1...

In your opinion, I disagree, obviously, I think the #1 is whichever receiver draws the most attention from the defense, if that attention allows another receiver on his team to amass greater statistics then him, that doesn't take the title of #1 receiver away from him.


okay but isn't putting ur stud corner on a specific WR alot of attention?

And you know waht, you've been KILLING TO and saying hes done but i've seen more Bills games than i ever wanted to so far this season and he gets more attention than ANYONE on that team...

so whose the #1 in buffalo?

TO is the number one in Buffalo, no doubt, but he's not that good a #1.

a Great #1 can still beat that attention sometimes...TO used to be able to, he can't anymore.

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 04:03 PM
im saying the stats will judge and daven said that would make welker #1.... and thats false... cuz Moss would still be the #1 so thats what

So 40 more receptions and 100 yards more receiving constitutes a WORSE season?

Welker was NE #1 WR last year going by statistics, clearly that's not true, but using your logic that's how it is.
wrong, there are 5 things which decide in these close call WR situations who the #1 is. - Receptions - Yards - Touchdowns - Big Plays - Who gets covered by the stud corners 3 out of 5 go to Moss.. hence he would of been the #1</P>


is this "opposite" day.. welker is basically a check down after a look toMoss to see if open..this thread has become more in sane than the rest of the MB threads.. lol</P>


wow tell me about it..I think i will go home and argue with my cat..</P>


Welker is #1 in my heart...lol.</P>


</P>


lol.. i just think of it this way.. if i had to choose 1 person to throw to on everyplay the hell i'm chosing Welker.. and i like Welker... but its Randy Moss were talking about.. </P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:04 PM
the numbers will show that...


... that is if Randy is still Randy. And this year, Randy is still Randy

Last year Randy wasn't Randy then?

cause Wes Welker had 111 receptions and 1,165 yards to Randy Moss's 69 receptions and 1006 (?) yards.

guess that means Welker was the #1 last year by your logic right Matt?


well either ur being a ****in prick again and just starting arguments or your not reading my posts...

First off Randy wasn't really Randy last year because Matt Cassell was throwing hte ball...

But Randy also had more TDs, more big plays, and top CBs on him (aka more attention), so hence he would be the #1 just like i stated in my previous post within the last page or so

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups? Very simple, he moves the chains..</P>


Brady looks over to the coverage on Moss, and if favorable, will call audible..Meaning the call was origanally for Wes.</P>


Some, but not alot are predesigned to go to Moss or other WRs...</P>


Its actually fun to watch the cat and mouse that goes on with Brady and the coverage on Moss....especially live when you can see the whole field.</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 04:05 PM
<dl><dt>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/bdbb0cf4-299f-4a5f-bdcf-756eef637918_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2348933&amp;gameId=291004023)
(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)
</dt><dd>Pittsburgh
Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes, left, runs after a catch as San
Diego Chargers' Antonio Cromartie (31) moves in to make the tackle in
the first quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Oct.
4, 2009. </dd></dl>Hmmmm San Diego's #1 CB on Holmes...

<dl><dt>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/3c52bf12-fa12-48dd-8b4c-9bd62707accb_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2361860&amp;gameId=291018023)
(AP Photo/Tom E. Puskar)
</dt><dd>Pittsburgh
Steelers receiver Hines Ward, left, hauls in a 51-yard touchdown pass
from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger as teammate Santonio Holmes (10)
blocks Cleveland Browns' Eric Wright,</dd></dl>Hmmmmm Clevelands #1 CB on Holmes....

Maybe Ward is playing well because all the coverage is focused on Holmes.

byron
10-20-2009, 04:05 PM
I think its the first guy the the QB looks for on any given play...which is decided before the play.</P>

that's pretty good, I like that one..

Wait, no, because good QB's don't want to move the saftey towards the WR they want to throw too, good QB's look off safties and don't stare down their best WR...so I take that back.
i had ya for a minute.....damn

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:06 PM
norward and garrard for romo..</P>


</P>


any objections? going thru today before 5</P>

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 04:07 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups? Very simple, he moves the chains..</P>


Brady looks over to the coverage on Moss, and if favorable, will call audible..Meaning the call was origanally for Wes.</P>


Some, but not alot are predesigned to go to Moss or other WRs...</P>


Its actually fun to watch the cat and mouse that goes on with Brady and the coverage on Moss....especially live when you can see the whole field.</P>


</P>


sorry i meant the original design of those plays for Welker is probably due to Moss getting the attention of the D</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:08 PM
well either ur being a ****in prick again and just starting arguments or your not reading my posts...

First off Randy wasn't really Randy last year because Matt Cassell was throwing hte ball...

But Randy also had more TDs, more big plays, and top CBs on him (aka more attention), so hence he would be the #1 just like i stated in my previous post within the last page or so

I must have missed that one....

but whatever, the point is "Stats" aren't the only thing that decided who the number 1 WR is, infact, I wouldn't take them into account....at all.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 04:08 PM
ward for the realblt shortay

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:10 PM
moss is the #1 in NE , holmes is the #1 in PITT </P>

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:12 PM
ward for the realblt shortay</P>


whos the real blt? lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:13 PM
<dl><dt>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/bdbb0cf4-299f-4a5f-bdcf-756eef637918_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2348933&gameId=291004023)
(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)
</dt><dd>Pittsburgh
Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes, left, runs after a catch as San
Diego Chargers' Antonio Cromartie (31) moves in to make the tackle in
the first quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Oct.
4, 2009. </dd></dl>Hmmmm San Diego's #1 CB on Holmes...

<dl><dt>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/3c52bf12-fa12-48dd-8b4c-9bd62707accb_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2361860&gameId=291018023)
(AP Photo/Tom E. Puskar)
</dt><dd>Pittsburgh
Steelers receiver Hines Ward, left, hauls in a 51-yard touchdown pass
from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger as teammate Santonio Holmes (10)
blocks Cleveland Browns' Eric Wright,</dd></dl>Hmmmmm Clevelands #1 CB on Holmes....

Maybe Ward is playing well because all the coverage is focused on Holmes.


first off that picture must of been from last year because Eric Wright isn't even playing this season per ESPN.

ALSO last year was his rookie year...

so hence a rookie CB is playing on Holmes and thats your argument?


And dont the Chargers run a zone defense?

beyond any of that taking still pictures, even if they are in my favor, prove nothing.

You know all of that shifting that goes around before the snap that the offense does? Thats to create mismatches...

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 04:13 PM
ward for the realblt shortay</P>


whos the real blt? lol</P>LT haha who else

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:14 PM
well either ur being a ****in prick again and just starting arguments or your not reading my posts...

First off Randy wasn't really Randy last year because Matt Cassell was throwing hte ball...

But Randy also had more TDs, more big plays, and top CBs on him (aka more attention), so hence he would be the #1 just like i stated in my previous post within the last page or so

I must have missed that one....

but whatever, the point is "Stats" aren't the only thing that decided who the number 1 WR is, infact, I wouldn't take them into account....at all.



so then technically Ward could have 1500 yards 20 TDs on 120 receptions and you still wouldn't consider him the #1

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 04:15 PM
Pics are from this year buddy

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 04:15 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups? Very simple, he moves the chains..</P>


Brady looks over to the coverage on Moss, and if favorable, will call audible..Meaning the call was origanally for Wes.</P>


Some, but not alot are predesigned to go to Moss or other WRs...</P>


Its actually fun to watch the cat and mouse that goes on with Brady and the coverage on Moss....especially live when you can see the whole field.</P>


</P>


sorry i meant the original design of those plays for Welker is probably due to Moss getting the attention of the D</P>


They always fake double coverage on Moss. Not sure what the ratio is for Actual double coverage on him..</P>


Its when we do catch them pinching toward the middle that Moss kills them..</P>


So i guess it works both ways..</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:15 PM
well either ur being a ****in prick again and just starting arguments or your not reading my posts...

First off Randy wasn't really Randy last year because Matt Cassell was throwing hte ball...

But Randy also had more TDs, more big plays, and top CBs on him (aka more attention), so hence he would be the #1 just like i stated in my previous post within the last page or so

I must have missed that one....

but whatever, the point is "Stats" aren't the only thing that decided who the number 1 WR is, infact, I wouldn't take them into account....at all.



so then technically Ward could have 1500 yards 20 TDs on 120 receptions and you still wouldn't consider him the #1

probably not...because, from what I can tell from what I've seen, if he puts up those kinds of numbers its got a lot to do with Santonio Holmes drawing coverage away from Ward allowing him to get better looks.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:17 PM
Pics are from this year buddy


even still McDonald woudl be the #1 out there anyway

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 04:17 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups? Very simple, he moves the chains..</P>


Brady looks over to the coverage on Moss, and if favorable, will call audible..Meaning the call was origanally for Wes.</P>


Some, but not alot are predesigned to go to Moss or other WRs...</P>


Its actually fun to watch the cat and mouse that goes on with Brady and the coverage on Moss....especially live when you can see the whole field.</P>


</P>


sorry i meant the original design of those plays for Welker is probably due to Moss getting the attention of the D</P>


They always fake double coverage on Moss. Not sure what the ratio is for Actual double coverage on him..</P>


Its when we do catch them pinching toward the middle that Moss kills them..</P>


So i guess it works both ways..</P>


</P>


do they ever double Welker and leave Moss one on one? </P>

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 04:18 PM
<DL>
<DT>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/bdbb0cf4-299f-4a5f-bdcf-756eef637918_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2348933&amp;gameId=291004023)
(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

<DD>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes, left, runs after a catch as San Diego Chargers' Antonio Cromartie (31) moves in to make the tackle in the first quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009. </DD></DL>Hmmmm San Diego's #1 CB on Holmes...


<DL>
<DT>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/3c52bf12-fa12-48dd-8b4c-9bd62707accb_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2361860&amp;gameId=291018023)
(AP Photo/Tom E. Puskar)

<DD>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward, left, hauls in a 51-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger as teammate Santonio Holmes (10) blocks Cleveland Browns' Eric Wright,</DD></DL>Hmmmmm Clevelands #1 CB on Holmes....

Maybe Ward is playing well because all the coverage is focused on Holmes.
first off that picture must of been from last year because Eric Wright isn't even playing this season per ESPN. ALSO last year was his rookie year... so hence a rookie CB is playing on Holmes and thats your argument? And dont the Chargers run a zone defense? beyond any of that taking still pictures, even if they are in my favor, prove nothing. You know all of that shifting that goes around before the snap that the offense does? Thats to create mismatches... Yes on the Zone D...

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 04:19 PM
well either ur being a ****in prick again and just starting arguments or your not reading my posts... First off Randy wasn't really Randy last year because Matt Cassell was throwing hte ball... But Randy also had more TDs, more big plays, and top CBs on him (aka more attention), so hence he would be the #1 just like i stated in my previous post within the last page or so

I must have missed that one....

but whatever, the point is "Stats" aren't the only thing that decided who the number 1 WR is, infact, I wouldn't take them into account....at all.

so then technically Ward could have 1500 yards 20 TDs on 120 receptions and you still wouldn't consider him the #1

probably not...because, from what I can tell from what I've seen, if he puts up those kinds of numbers its got a lot to do with Santonio Holmes drawing coverage away from Ward allowing him to get better looks.
now thats a stretch. ward still demands double coverage

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:20 PM
now thats a stretch. ward still demands double coverage

Not when Holmes is on the field.

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 04:21 PM
ward for the realblt shortay</P>


whos the real blt? lol</P>LT haha who elsetomilson?? haha

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:21 PM
well either ur being a ****in prick again and just starting arguments or your not reading my posts...

First off Randy wasn't really Randy last year because Matt Cassell was throwing hte ball...

But Randy also had more TDs, more big plays, and top CBs on him (aka more attention), so hence he would be the #1 just like i stated in my previous post within the last page or so

I must have missed that one....

but whatever, the point is "Stats" aren't the only thing that decided who the number 1 WR is, infact, I wouldn't take them into account....at all.



so then technically Ward could have 1500 yards 20 TDs on 120 receptions and you still wouldn't consider him the #1

probably not...because, from what I can tell from what I've seen, if he puts up those kinds of numbers its got a lot to do with Santonio Holmes drawing coverage away from Ward allowing him to get better looks.


i fail to see how that is seeing as how u said u didn't see too much of the Steelers u must of only saw the Titans opener in which Finnegan (who is there #1 CB) was on Ward the whole time.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:23 PM
<DL>
<DT>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/bdbb0cf4-299f-4a5f-bdcf-756eef637918_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2348933&gameId=291004023)
(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

<DD>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes, left, runs after a catch as San Diego Chargers' Antonio Cromartie (31) moves in to make the tackle in the first quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009. </DD></DL>Hmmmm San Diego's #1 CB on Holmes...


<DL>
<DT>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/3c52bf12-fa12-48dd-8b4c-9bd62707accb_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2361860&gameId=291018023)
(AP Photo/Tom E. Puskar)

<DD>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward, left, hauls in a 51-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger as teammate Santonio Holmes (10) blocks Cleveland Browns' Eric Wright,</DD></DL>Hmmmmm Clevelands #1 CB on Holmes....

Maybe Ward is playing well because all the coverage is focused on Holmes.
first off that picture must of been from last year because Eric Wright isn't even playing this season per ESPN. ALSO last year was his rookie year... so hence a rookie CB is playing on Holmes and thats your argument? And dont the Chargers run a zone defense? beyond any of that taking still pictures, even if they are in my favor, prove nothing. You know all of that shifting that goes around before the snap that the offense does? Thats to create mismatches... Yes on the Zone D...

so that means they are not playing press man... aka Cromartie is playing a side and that just happened to be the side that Holmes made the catch on

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 04:23 PM
http://sknentertainment.com/images/30_tired_man_sleeping_while_standing.png

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:23 PM
ward for the realblt shortay</P>


whos the real blt? lol</P>


LT haha who else</P>


i answered you back... no thanks lover. got better offers from mmb</P>

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 04:24 PM
now thats a stretch. ward still demands double coverage

Not when Holmes is on the field.
thats absurd. </P>


your absurd. </P>


ward still demands attention man your not winning this one. </P>

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 04:24 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups? Very simple, he moves the chains..</P>


Brady looks over to the coverage on Moss, and if favorable, will call audible..Meaning the call was origanally for Wes.</P>


Some, but not alot are predesigned to go to Moss or other WRs...</P>


Its actually fun to watch the cat and mouse that goes on with Brady and the coverage on Moss....especially live when you can see the whole field.</P>


</P>


sorry i meant the original design of those plays for Welker is probably due to Moss getting the attention of the D</P>


They always fake double coverage on Moss. Not sure what the ratio is for Actual double coverage on him..</P>


Its when we do catch them pinching toward the middle that Moss kills them..</P>


So i guess it works both ways..</P>


</P>


do they ever double Welker and leave Moss one on one? </P>


The safety on that side has to be a very good actor...they act like its double on every play..</P>


Like i said, when he rolls away from Moss it is usually not good.</P>


If you ever catch another Pats game, watch Bradys head and eyes..The man goes through his progressions like none i have ever seen...This explains how he is able to spot the single coverage on Moss.. Most of the time.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:25 PM
daven

who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:27 PM
i fail to see how that is seeing as how u said u didn't see too much of the Steelers u must of only saw the Titans opener in which Finnegan (who is there #1 CB) was on Ward the whole time.

I've seen all the highlights, and all the Nationally televised games, plus my Boss is a big Pit's fan, as I'm looking at his office I see a Steeler Banner a Terrible Towel and Flag and a poster all up in his office atm...he also went to Both their SB games, he says Holmes is their number 1 too...


so I win.

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:27 PM
daven

who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:28 PM
daven

who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.


but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done...

busted

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 04:29 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups? Very simple, he moves the chains..</P>


Brady looks over to the coverage on Moss, and if favorable, will call audible..Meaning the call was origanally for Wes.</P>


Some, but not alot are predesigned to go to Moss or other WRs...</P>


Its actually fun to watch the cat and mouse that goes on with Brady and the coverage on Moss....especially live when you can see the whole field.</P>


</P>


sorry i meant the original design of those plays for Welker is probably due to Moss getting the attention of the D</P>


They always fake double coverage on Moss. Not sure what the ratio is for Actual double coverage on him..</P>


Its when we do catch them pinching toward the middle that Moss kills them..</P>


So i guess it works both ways..</P>


</P>


do they ever double Welker and leave Moss one on one? </P>


The safety on that side has to be a very good actor...they act like its double on every play..</P>


Like i said, when he rolls away from Moss it is usually not good.</P>


If you ever catch another Pats game, watch Bradys head and eyes..The man goes through his progressions like none i have ever seen...This explains how he is able to spot the single coverage on Moss.. Most of the time.</P>


</P>


you didn't answer the question lol have you ever seen Welker dbled? </P>


they are 2 of the best if not the best combo at wideout..esp whenBrady is at the helm.. </P>

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 04:30 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted in ya face

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 04:30 PM
<DL>
<DT>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/bdbb0cf4-299f-4a5f-bdcf-756eef637918_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2348933&amp;gameId=291004023)
(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

<DD>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes, left, runs after a catch as San Diego Chargers' Antonio Cromartie (31) moves in to make the tackle in the first quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009. </DD></DL>Hmmmm San Diego's #1 CB on Holmes...


<DL>
<DT>http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/3c52bf12-fa12-48dd-8b4c-9bd62707accb_thumbnail.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2361860&amp;gameId=291018023)
(AP Photo/Tom E. Puskar)

<DD>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward, left, hauls in a 51-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger as teammate Santonio Holmes (10) blocks Cleveland Browns' Eric Wright,</DD></DL>


Hmmmmm Clevelands #1 CB on Holmes....

Maybe Ward is playing well because all the coverage is focused on Holmes.
first off that picture must of been from last year because Eric Wright isn't even playing this season per ESPN. ALSO last year was his rookie year... so hence a rookie CB is playing on Holmes and thats your argument? And dont the Chargers run a zone defense? beyond any of that taking still pictures, even if they are in my favor, prove nothing. You know all of that shifting that goes around before the snap that the offense does? Thats to create mismatches... Yes on the Zone D... so that means they are not playing press man... aka Cromartie is playing a side and that just happened to be the side that Holmes made the catch onNot as black and white, but yes...</P>


Kind of like the wildcat being a variation of the old single wing formation...lol.</P>

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:33 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</P>


moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>

byron
10-20-2009, 04:36 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</P>


moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>and your #1 around here

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 04:36 PM
Pats those plays for him.. is that because they know Moss is going to have Double Coverage onthat play and are getting better matchups? Very simple, he moves the chains..</P>


Brady looks over to the coverage on Moss, and if favorable, will call audible..Meaning the call was origanally for Wes.</P>


Some, but not alot are predesigned to go to Moss or other WRs...</P>


Its actually fun to watch the cat and mouse that goes on with Brady and the coverage on Moss....especially live when you can see the whole field.</P>


</P>


sorry i meant the original design of those plays for Welker is probably due to Moss getting the attention of the D</P>


They always fake double coverage on Moss. Not sure what the ratio is for Actual double coverage on him..</P>


Its when we do catch them pinching toward the middle that Moss kills them..</P>


So i guess it works both ways..</P>


</P>


do they ever double Welker and leave Moss one on one? </P>


The safety on that side has to be a very good actor...they act like its double on every play..</P>


Like i said, when he rolls away from Moss it is usually not good.</P>


If you ever catch another Pats game, watch Bradys head and eyes..The man goes through his progressions like none i have ever seen...This explains how he is able to spot the single coverage on Moss.. Most of the time.</P>


</P>


you didn't answer the question lol have you ever seen Welker dbled? </P>


they are 2 of the best if not the best combo at wideout..esp whenBrady is at the helm.. </P>


Aux contrere mon frere....lol.</P>


I did answer when i said the safety occasionally rolls off Moss.</P>


Let me ask you this- your the safety. Moss out wide, and Welker in the slot..Who do YOU cover???</P>

patsrule666
10-20-2009, 04:38 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</P>


moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>


and your #1 around hereVery well said...</P>


Peace.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:39 PM
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(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

</dt><dd>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes, left, runs after a catch as San Diego Chargers' Antonio Cromartie (31) moves in to make the tackle in the first quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009. </dd></dl>Hmmmm San Diego's #1 CB on Holmes...


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(AP Photo/Tom E. Puskar)

</dt><dd>Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward, left, hauls in a 51-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger as teammate Santonio Holmes (10) blocks Cleveland Browns' Eric Wright,</dd></dl>


Hmmmmm Clevelands #1 CB on Holmes....

Maybe Ward is playing well because all the coverage is focused on Holmes.
first off that picture must of been from last year because Eric Wright isn't even playing this season per ESPN. ALSO last year was his rookie year... so hence a rookie CB is playing on Holmes and thats your argument? And dont the Chargers run a zone defense? beyond any of that taking still pictures, even if they are in my favor, prove nothing. You know all of that shifting that goes around before the snap that the offense does? Thats to create mismatches... Yes on the Zone D... so that means they are not playing press man... aka Cromartie is playing a side and that just happened to be the side that Holmes made the catch onNot as black and white, but yes...</p>


Kind of like the wildcat being a variation of the old single wing formation...lol.</p>

as i'm looking at the highlights of the Browns, i realize they run a similar zone defense as the chargers.. so really the whole Wright - McDonald thing isn't even valid because Holmes has Wright on him and McDonald on him...

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:39 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</P>


moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>


and your #1 around here</P>


have i told you lately that i love you?</P>

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 04:39 PM
daven

who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.


but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done...

busted

Nope I've never said that ever, I've absolutely never said that this year Lee Evans is the #1.

I DID say TO is done, and HE IS, but he's still the number 1 on Buffalo.

bandwgn86
10-20-2009, 04:40 PM
well my friend.. i'll say Moss.. if they are going to complete something i'd rather it be 10 yards than 50 and a TD..

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:42 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</p>


moss is the #1 in ne</p>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</p>


TO is the #1 in buff</p>


</p>

unfortunately, TO is NOT the #1 in Buf and Holmes has nothing going for him that would suggest he is the #1 in Pitt

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:43 PM
daven

who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.


but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done...

busted

Nope I've never said that ever, I've absolutely never said that this year Lee Evans is the #1.

I DID say TO is done, and HE IS, but he's still the number 1 on Buffalo.


as of right now hes not...

dezzzR
10-20-2009, 04:43 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted

Nope I've never said that ever, I've absolutely never said that this year Lee Evans is the #1.

I DID say TO is done, and HE IS, but he's still the number 1 on Buffalo.
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byron
10-20-2009, 04:46 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</P>


moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>


and your #1 around here</P>


have i told you lately that i love you?</P> you remember when they are double covering matt...I be wide open...[;)]

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:48 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</P>


moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmes*IS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


*</P>


and your #1 around here</P>


have i told you lately that i love you?</P> you remember when they are double covering matt...**I be wide open...[;)]

LMAO

they can't hold me

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:50 PM
daven who is the #1 WR in buffalo?

Terrel Owens I said that already.
but you've also stated before that Lee Evans is the #1 and that TO is done... busted</P>


moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>


and your #1 around here</P>


have i told you lately that i love you?</P>


you remember when they are double covering matt...I be wide open...[;)]</P>


ROTFLMAO!!!!! GREAT ONE BYRON!!!!!!! HAHAH</P>

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 04:54 PM
who is the #1 in MIN? DAL? NYJ?

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 04:59 PM
who is the #1 in MIN? DAL? NYJ?

#1 in NYJ was Cotchery but they just got a Braylon Edwards, so you really can't have that argument right now... The only gmaes Cotch didn't play is when edwards got there....

Min? Sidney Rice

Dal - i would say Miles Austin, but between the injuries and all i dont think there is a clear answer there.

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 05:01 PM
and just keep in mind.

If we were in week 6 or 7 of 2006 and we were talking about New Orleans, everybody would of been saying Joe Horn was the #1 there because we'd be saying Colsten is a 7th round pick that is benefitting off of Horn's presence.

Whose hte #1 in Jax?

DavenIII
10-20-2009, 05:02 PM
who is the #1 in MIN? DAL? NYJ?

I'd say Sidney Rice, (Roy Williams?) and Obviously Edwards.

(Sidney Rice cause he's bigger and Faster then Berrian...I don't know what the stats are)

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 05:03 PM
who is the #1 in MIN? DAL? NYJ?

I'd say Sidney Rice, (Roy Williams?) and Obviously Edwards.


exactly so we agree about two things...


honestly edwards COULD be the #1 there, but cotchery was lighting it up this season... theres no way to say theres a definite #1 for the Jets yet...

cotch came into his own this year before he got hurt

rice is not faster than berrian

byron
10-20-2009, 05:03 PM
who is the #1 in MIN? DAL? NYJ? #1 in NYJ was Cotchery but they just got a Braylon Edwards, so you really can't have that argument right now... The only gmaes Cotch didn't play is when edwards got there.... Min? Sidney Rice Dal - i would say Miles Austin, but between the injuries and all i dont think there is a clear answer there. I'm hoping MA is the new man in D in FF terms[:D]

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 05:04 PM
who is the #1 in MIN? DAL? NYJ? #1 in NYJ was Cotchery but they just got a Braylon Edwards, so you really can't have that argument right now... The only gmaes Cotch didn't play is when edwards got there.... Min? Sidney Rice Dal - i would say Miles Austin, but between the injuries and all i dont think there is a clear answer there. I'm hoping MA is the new man in D in FF terms[:D]

me too lol.... got him in my money league

byron
10-20-2009, 05:06 PM
who is the #1 in MIN? DAL? NYJ? #1 in NYJ was Cotchery but they just got a Braylon Edwards, so you really can't have that argument right now... The only gmaes Cotch didn't play is when edwards got there.... Min? Sidney Rice Dal - i would say Miles Austin, but between the injuries and all i dont think there is a clear answer there. I'm hoping MA is the new man in D in FF terms[:D] me too lol.... got him in my money league that big game he had gonna get him more looks

byron
10-20-2009, 05:08 PM
I past over SR when I picked up austin I ****ed up might have got them both not sure through

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 05:08 PM
who is the #1 RB of the NYG?

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 05:10 PM
i dont see how you can say austin is the #1 right now in dallas... his stats are only boasted cause he had 1 huge game.... plus royboy was hurt

byron
10-20-2009, 05:11 PM
who is the #1 RB of the NYG? I think its still BJ he will get it going better

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 05:12 PM
who is the #1 RB of the NYG?

honestly, i dont think you can go by the same criteria for a RB...

because Jacobs has almost double the attempts, but Bradshaw has about double the ypc and better numbers in every catagory..

but Jacobs does start the game...

thats a whole other can of worms

byron
10-20-2009, 05:12 PM
i dont see how you can say austin is the #1 right now in dallas... his stats are only boasted cause he had 1 huge game.... plus royboy was hurt wouldn't say he's 1 now but he is going to get more calls i believe....just a felling through

MattMeyerBud
10-20-2009, 05:13 PM
i dont see how you can say austin is the #1 right now in dallas... his stats are only boasted cause he had 1 huge game.... plus royboy was hurt

no i agree... i dont think you could make the argument either way tho. Roy has 11 catches in 5 games

byron
10-20-2009, 05:18 PM
i dont see how you can say austin is the #1 right now in dallas... his stats are only boasted cause he had 1 huge game.... plus royboy was hurt no i agree... i dont think you could make the argument either way tho. Roy has 11 catches in 5 gamesThen factor in what MA done I think it hurts Roysome...Just my thinking and then therejj

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 05:22 PM
who is the #1 RB of the NYG? honestly, i dont think you can go by the same criteria for a RB... because Jacobs has almost double the attempts, but Bradshaw has about double the ypc and better numbers in every catagory.. but Jacobs does start the game... thats a whole other can of worms</P>


no im just saying.. along from you saying wittin is the #1 WR in dal which isnt even possible cause hes a TE (he can be the #1 target but he isnt a #1 WR) you said its based on stats... stats wise, bradshaw is our #1 but jacobs really is our #1 RB.... its about name, size, coverage, chemistyall that... and honestly there are teams where is isnt debateable.... just like AZ... fitz is the #1 but then breaston has better stats atm over boldin... i cant imagine anyone arguing boldin isnt the #2 in AZ</P>

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 05:23 PM
i dont see how you can say austin is the #1 right now in dallas... his stats are only boasted cause he had 1 huge game.... plus royboy was hurt no i agree... i dont think you could make the argument either way tho. Roy has 11 catches in 5 gamesThen factor in what MA done I think it hurts Roysome...Just my thinking and then therejj</P>


dalas will force williams to be there #1 cause they paid so much for him.... austin had 1 good game, i dont think you can have that make him their #1... i actually like austins big game, hopefully itll open the field up more for williams now.</P>