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ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 05:30 PM
also going off MMBs argurment before in a PM he also stated it was about stats and i said its possible for a #2 to have better stats then a #1 and he said no its not... find me one... seattle.</P>


burelson has more receptions, more yards and more TDs.... is he really the #1 in SEA? no way its housh....</P>

byron
10-20-2009, 05:33 PM
i dont see how you can say austin is the #1 right now in dallas... his stats are only boasted cause he had 1 huge game.... plus royboy was hurt no i agree... i dont think you could make the argument either way tho. Roy has 11 catches in 5 gamesThen factor in what MA done I think it hurts Roysome...Just my thinking and then therejj</P>


dalas will force williams to be there #1 cause they paid so much for him.... austin had 1 good game, i dont think you can have that make him their #1... i actually like austins big game, hopefully itll open the field up more for williams now.</P> i agree idon't i think he become #1 his will get more time /looks I think and itprobably will or could help roys game... i will say thisRoy better be really cause at the end of the day it come down to catching the ball making plays....Its just a feeling I have i think thisweekit willbe interesting to see just what happens

byron
10-20-2009, 05:37 PM
also going off MMBs argurment before in a PM he also stated it was about stats and i said its possible for a #2 to have better stats then a #1 and he said no its not... find me one... seattle.</P>


burelson has more receptions, more yards and more TDs.... is he really the #1 in SEA? no way its housh....</P> i look at it this way you game plan your #1 with options you win the with the guy that gets it done.. the great QB'sseem to find that guywithin the game..call it what you want...randy had a great game in the snow may happen again may not.. the snow was a factor...sorry for the edit

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 05:37 PM
moss is the #1 in ne</p>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</p>


TO is the #1 in buff</p>


</p>and your #1 around here
That was smooth. The old man still has it. lol

byron
10-20-2009, 05:40 PM
moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>and your #1 around here
That was smooth. The old man still has it. lol
might be the roids but I'll take it..lol

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 05:43 PM
moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>


and your #1 around here
That was smooth. The old man still has it. lol
might be the roids but I'll take it..lol</P>


utt ohhh. another morehead in the house?!</P>

byron
10-20-2009, 05:47 PM
moss is the #1 in ne</P>


holmesIS the #1 in pitt</P>


TO is the #1 in buff</P>


</P>


and your #1 around here
That was smooth. The old man still has it. lol
<FONT color=#0000ff>you beat your ***</FONT>..lol</P>


utt ohhh. another morehead in the house?!</P> I meant every word amanda

byron
10-20-2009, 05:52 PM
Hey guys I have had a good time in here today.. got to make a run to town.. thanks for putting with meand helping me past some time as i get better your all great</P>


byron</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 05:56 PM
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs257.snc1/10426_1270543524838_1267361894_30791925_5226170_n. jpg

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 06:00 PM
Hey guys I have had a good time in here today.. got to make a run to town.. thanks for putting with meand helping me past some time as i get better your all great</P>


byron</P>


</P>


have a good night!! talk to you tomorrow!!</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 06:03 PM
One picture to sum up the Redskins season...

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0910/nfl.fans.week6/images/chiefs.l.jpg

ibleedblue85
10-20-2009, 06:10 PM
One picture to sum up the Redskins season...

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0910/nfl.fans.week6/images/chiefs.l.jpg
</P>


LMAO.</P>

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 08:22 PM
<FONT color=#800080 size=6>**** THE LAKERS</FONT>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 09:09 PM
<font size="6" color="#800080">**** THE LAKERS</font>
http://www.everyjoe.com/files/2009/06/kobe-bryant-finals-mvp-lakersafplivetwo910692-bkn-nba-final-lake.jpg

I LOVE THE HATE

Be very scared...

http://groovedshoulder.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/garnett1.jpg

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 09:10 PM
<font size="6" color="#800080">**** THE LAKERS</font>
http://www.everyjoe.com/files/2009/06/kobe-bryant-finals-mvp-lakersafplivetwo910692-bkn-nba-final-lake.jpg

I LOVE THE HATE

Be very scared...

http://groovedshoulder.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/garnett1.jpg

I love that you are so spunky

Morehead State
10-20-2009, 10:13 PM
<FONT color=#800080 size=6>**** THE LAKERS</FONT>
http://www.everyjoe.com/files/2009/06/kobe-bryant-finals-mvp-lakersafplivetwo910692-bkn-nba-final-lake.jpg

I LOVE THE HATE

Be very scared...

http://groovedshoulder.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/garnett1.jpg

I love that you are so spunky



</P>


You're welcome for me making your night.</P>


XOXO</P>

bigblue4417
10-20-2009, 11:44 PM
I just figured it out. Sox are out, we both like the Giants. Time for B'ball trash talk I guess...

You will be the one crying come June 2010.

http://www.kupypspwallpapers.info/psp-wallpapers/lakers-celtics-nba-finals-psp-wallpaper.jpg

<font size="4">REVENGE IS COMING IN PURPLE AND GOLD</font>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:22 AM
i dont see how you can say austin is the #1 right now in dallas... his stats are only boasted cause he had 1 huge game.... plus royboy was hurt no i agree... i dont think you could make the argument either way tho. Roy has 11 catches in 5 gamesThen factor in what MA done I think it hurts Roysome...Just my thinking and then therejj</P>


dalas will force williams to be there #1 cause they paid so much for him.... austin had 1 good game, i dont think you can have that make him their #1... i actually like austins big game, hopefully itll open the field up more for williams now.</P>


</P>


</P>


you can't force somebody to produce for you. They either do or they dont... they may try harder to get him involved but that doesnt mean hes going to break out and be the force that a #1 WR can be. I dont think Dallas has a #1 WR right now between injuries and inconsistancy.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:27 AM
Hey guys I have had a good time in here today.. got to make a run to town.. thanks for putting with meand helping me past some time as i get better your all great</P>


byron</P>


</P>


</P>


hey u got a pm</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:29 AM
6 down</P>


</P>


5 to go</P>


</P>


to #27</P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:41 AM
you can't force somebody to produce for you.

no you can't but since production isn't really that much a factor for determining who is and isn't a #1 WR in my mind, that really doesn't matter.

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 08:31 AM
<FONT color=#800080>LAKERS</FONT>

<FONT color=#000080>YANKEES
</FONT>
<FONT color=#0000ff>COWBOYS</FONT></P>


</P>


<FONT size=5>The new axis of EVIL!!!!</FONT></P>

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 08:49 AM
<FONT color=#800080>LAKERS</FONT>

<FONT color=#000080>YANKEES
</FONT>
<FONT color=#0000ff>COWBOYS</FONT></P>


</P>


<FONT size=5>The new axis of EVIL!!!!</FONT></P>


</P>


meh, that's not true....
NBA sucks, and the cowboys have basically become totally irellevant to the sports world.
Now if you wanna say the Yankees are, fine, yer a sox fan......just so long as you know that the greatest franchise in sports history has the largest following, and will once again be crowned WORLD CHAMPIONS in only a few short weeks!!!!

**** BOSTON!!!!</P>

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 08:50 AM
btw, how awful was the officiating in last night's game, like across the board....
Answer: ****ing awful. thats how awful. Like how many wrong calls can you have in 1 inning?? lol

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 09:04 AM
btw, how awful was the officiating in last night's game, like across the board....
Answer: ****ing awful. thats how awful. Like how many wrong calls can you have in 1 inning?? lol</P>


Baseball season is over.</P>

appletree943
10-21-2009, 09:07 AM
6 down</P>


*</P>


5 to go</P>


*</P>


to #27</P>that's so cute

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 09:12 AM
6 down</P>


*</P>


5 to go</P>


*</P>


to #27</P>that's so cute

best part about it is that we're going to be able to torture the philly fans on our way to 27...

you guys had a nice run tho

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 09:13 AM
btw, how awful was the officiating in last night's game, like across the board....
Answer: ****ing awful. thats how awful. Like how many wrong calls can you have in 1 inning?? lol

na i agree...

and for the most part im man enough to admit that the calls went our way for hte most part..

which is NOT a common thing

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 09:14 AM
btw, how awful was the officiating in last night's game, like across the board....
Answer: ****ing awful. thats how awful. Like how many wrong calls can you have in 1 inning?? lol</P>


Baseball season is over.</P>


... if ur a red sox fan

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 09:20 AM
Starting next Wednesday, all decent, God fearing, America loving folks, will be Phillies fans.</P>


Stomp out evil!!!</P>

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 09:31 AM
Starting next Wednesday, all decent, God fearing, America loving folks, will be Phillies fans.</P>


Stomp out evil!!!</P>


</P>


wow....you love the cities of philly and boston. that basically makes you a devilworshiper. you disgust me actually.</P>

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 09:34 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 09:37 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</P>


</P>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</P>

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 09:37 AM
well it seems i cant count today either.............lmao ohhhh man

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 09:38 AM
10 o clock, limited amount of tickets willl be sold for 150 for games 1 and 2

WHOOOFFFAAAA.. hopfully lady luck hasn't run out on me from last friday

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 09:43 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins. Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team, and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs. This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault. Baseball is a joke. The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 09:48 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins.** Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team,* and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs.* This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault.* Baseball is a joke.* The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>

that is true... I mean personally having a salary cap max (and min for those teams like Florida and such) is a MUST have.

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 09:49 AM
Starting next Wednesday, all decent, God fearing, America loving folks, will be Phillies fans.</p>


Stomp out evil!!!</p>


</p>


wow....you love the cities of philly and boston. that basically makes you a devilworshiper. you disgust me actually.</p>Other than the fans of Philly and Boston sports teams, Im actually a HUGE fan of both cities.... Just DESPISE their fans

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 09:53 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins. Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team, and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs. This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault. Baseball is a joke. The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>


that is true... I mean personally having a salary cap max (and min for those teams like Florida and such) is a MUST have.</P>


I'm really not trying to rain on my Yankee fan friends parade. If your team wins the WS, you should enjoy it. But this system in baseball is a nightmare.</P>


I remember a time when teams like Pittsburgh and Kansas City were dominant in baseball. Can you imagine what its like now to live in those cities and have no chance by April 15th? They have no chance with the current system.</P>

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 09:53 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</P>


</P>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</P> And this is why blunts should not be smoked for breakfast....LMAO.

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 09:53 AM
Starting next Wednesday, all decent, God fearing, America loving folks, will be Phillies fans.</P>


Stomp out evil!!!</P>


</P>


wow....you love the cities of philly and boston. that basically makes you a devilworshiper. you disgust me actually.</P>


Other than the fans of Philly and Boston sports teams, Im actually a HUGE fan of both cities.... Just DESPISE their fans
</P>


You love me though.</P>

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 09:54 AM
Morning everyone,whats 2days big argument????


Matt could have had Mike Tomlin tell him that Santonio is the #1 WR and he still wouldnt have taken it....... Man that was a funny debate. I think u just like fighting Daven, that argument could have been that there isnt 2 football teams playing at the meadowlands and if Daven said there are you would just say no to go against him, LOL

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 09:58 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins. Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team, and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs. This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault. Baseball is a joke. The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>

So you are acknowledging that the red sox do the same thing? or did...because goddamn their team looks so awful even on paper...
Just want a sox fan to say it so they know how ridiculous they sound accusing yankees of **** like that....

and as for the "mercs".....welost/and let goa ton of players last offseason. no Moose, no Giambi, no Abreu, no Pavano. (i know im forgetting some) So youre saying we arent allowed to shop for the best available talent to replace them? As far as I remember, we actually spent less money this year than we did the previous 2.
Dont act like the Sox didnt go after Teixiera...and Santana the year prior...
I hate haters!
=]

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 09:58 AM
Morning everyone,whats 2days big argument????



</P>


Why is Lando hoarding all the WR's?</P>

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 09:59 AM
Starting next Wednesday, all decent, God fearing, America loving folks, will be Phillies fans.</p>


Stomp out evil!!!</p>


</p>


wow....you love the cities of philly and boston. that basically makes you a devilworshiper. you disgust me actually.</p>


Other than the fans of Philly and Boston sports teams, Im actually a HUGE fan of both cities.... Just DESPISE their fans
</p>


You love me though.</p>Thats true how can i NOT, the porn star stash' makes girls gine's tingle
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OZqPyC5lp2w-WM:http://www.rvca.com/skate/wp-content/themes/default/images/2008/01/ron-jeremy2.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rvca.com/skate/wp-content/themes/default/images/2008/01/ron-jeremy2.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.rvca.com/skate/%3Fm%3D200801&amp;usg=__mIT4L_PH16Y878XXL2WSGrNipcM=&amp;h =765&amp;w=600&amp;sz=130&amp;hl=en&amp;start=6&amp;tbnid=OZqPyC5lp2w-WM:&amp;tbnh=142&amp;tbnw=111&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D70s%2Bporn%2Bstar%2Bmoustache%26gbv%3 D2%26hl%3Den)

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:00 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</p>


</p>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</p> And this is why blunts should not be smoked for breakfast....LMAO.LOL, ur right only Bowls and maybe a J and a cup of black coffee

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 10:01 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</P>


</P>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</P>


And this is why blunts should not be smoked for breakfast....LMAO.</P>


i need some shmoke. im reeeal hungover. got wasted at my friends house watching the yanks.im going to throw up all over myself. lol</P>

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 10:03 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins. Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team, and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs. This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault. Baseball is a joke. The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>




So you are acknowledging that the red sox do the same thing? or did...because goddamn their team looks so awful even on paper...
Just want a sox fan to say it so they know how ridiculous they sound accusing yankees of **** like that....

and as for the "mercs".....welost/and let goa ton of players last offseason. no Moose, no Giambi, no Abreu, no Pavano. (i know im forgetting some) So youre saying we arent allowed to shop for the best available talent to replace them? As far as I remember, we actually spent less money this year than we did the previous 2.
Dont act like the Sox didnt go after Teixiera...and Santana the year prior...
I hate haters!
=]</P>


You let go of a bunch of mercs and brought in new ones.</P>


If you ever saw the movie "The Right Stuff" you may remember the classic line about the early space program. "Our Germans are better than their Germans". Well this season, your mercs were better than our mercs. Of course, you have many more of them.</P>


And I'm not hating. If your "team" wins this season, I will congratulate you without condition. And if they lose, I will say nothing. Because I love my Yankee fan friends and I know how much it hurts when your team loses.</P>

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 10:06 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</P>


</P>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</P>


And this is why blunts should not be smoked for breakfast....LMAO.</P>


i need some shmoke. im reeeal hungover. got wasted at my friends house watching the yanks.im going to throw up all over myself. lol</P> LOL- It does settle the tummy...

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:06 AM
Morning everyone,whats 2days big argument????



</p>


Why is Lando hoarding all the WR's?</p>Its terrible, thebest FA WR is Mushin Muhammad!?!?!?

Damn you Lando

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 10:09 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</P>


</P>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</P> And this is why blunts should not be smoked for breakfast....LMAO.LOL, ur right only Bowls and maybe a J and a cup of black coffee
I like mine with lots of sugaaa.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:09 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 10:11 AM
Morning everyone,whats 2days big argument????



</P>


Why is Lando hoarding all the WR's?</P>


Its terrible, thebest FA WR is Mushin Muhammad!?!?!?

Damn you Lando
</P>


I'm also P.O'd at Shocks for grabbing Mark Clayton. I had to settle for Chris Henry.</P>


Lando's team looks like a Pro Bowl roster for God's sake. This week he picked up friggin Randy Moss. How did he get all those players? Is he really that smart or are we all that dumb? </P>


A question for the ages.</P>

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 10:12 AM
I remember a time when teams like Pittsburgh and Kansas City were dominant in baseball. Can you imagine what its like now to live in those cities and have no chance by April 15th? They have no chance with the current system.</P>


I agree and disagree....
Pitt, and KC will never be competitive because they dont generate enough income to go after free agents. They rely on their farm systems, but then trade players away....
Small market gets screwed by....well....being small market I guess...</P>

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 10:13 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins. Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team, and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs. This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault. Baseball is a joke. The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>




So you are acknowledging that the red sox do the same thing? or did...because goddamn their team looks so awful even on paper...
Just want a sox fan to say it so they know how ridiculous they sound accusing yankees of **** like that....

and as for the "mercs".....welost/and let goa ton of players last offseason. no Moose, no Giambi, no Abreu, no Pavano. (i know im forgetting some) So youre saying we arent allowed to shop for the best available talent to replace them? As far as I remember, we actually spent less money this year than we did the previous 2.
Dont act like the Sox didnt go after Teixiera...and Santana the year prior...
I hate haters!
=]</P>


You let go of a bunch of mercs and brought in new ones.</P>


If you ever saw the movie "The Right Stuff" you may remember the classic line about the early space program. "Our Germans are better than their Germans". Well this season, your mercs were better than our mercs. Of course, you have many more of them.</P>


And I'm not hating. If your "team" wins this season, I will congratulate you without condition. And if they lose, I will say nothing. Because I love my Yankee fan friends and I know how much it hurts when your team loses.</P>


For some strange reason, i have a real hard time believing that last part..</P>


Without condition ???</P>

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:13 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</p>


</p>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</p>


And this is why blunts should not be smoked for breakfast....LMAO.</p>


i need some shmoke. im reeeal hungover. got wasted at my friends house watching the yanks.im going to throw up all over myself. lol</p> LOL- It does settle the tummy...The best cure is a big greasy meal and a FAT sack of indo

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:16 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next yearWOW man, do you need a phone call from Mike Tomlin telling you that he's the #1????

If ya watch alot of Steeler games (which I do) you see that teams are covering Holmes how they USED TO cover Ward. Like I said yesterday I liken it to Amani and Plax in 07, Amani (Ward) is on the downswing of his career and is not warranting the extra coverage while Plax (Holmes) is drawing the extra coverage allowing the other WR to get open

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 10:19 AM
I remember a time when teams like Pittsburgh and Kansas City were dominant in baseball. Can you imagine what its like now to live in those cities and have no chance by April 15th? They have no chance with the current system.</P>


I agree and disagree....
Pitt, and KC will never be competitive because they dont generate enough income to go after free agents. They rely on their farm systems, but then trade players away....
Small market gets screwed by....well....being small market I guess...</P>


</P>


Kansas City hasn't shrunk since the days of George Brett, Dan Quisenberry, and Amos Otis. Pittsburgh is the same size market it was when they had Willie Stargell and Dave Parker. The FA system is fine, but without fundamental changes in the revenue sharing sysytem by MLB, it will kill baseball eventually.</P>


A sports league is only as good as its weakest franchises. </P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:20 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:28 AM
I remember a time when teams like Pittsburgh and Kansas City were dominant in baseball. Can you imagine what its like now to live in those cities and have no chance by April 15th? They have no chance with the current system.</p>


I agree and disagree....
Pitt, and KC will never be competitive because they dont generate enough income to go after free agents. They rely on their farm systems, but then trade players away....
Small market gets screwed by....well....being small market I guess...</p>


</p>


Kansas City hasn't shrunk since the days of George Brett, Dan Quisenberry, and Amos Otis. Pittsburgh is the same size market it was when they had Willie Stargell and Dave Parker. The FA system is fine, but without fundamental changes in the revenue sharing sysytem by MLB, it will kill baseball eventually.</p>


A sports league is only as good as its weakest franchises. </p>One of my close friends that lives in Pittsburgh has access to Pirates season tix and says how theyre pretty much non-existant in the city, he even calls them a AAAA Team, cause every prospect they farm and build up, they trade before they EXPLODE.... Id compare it to the lowly Islanders , technically theyre a professional team, but you'd never know it. It sucks cause every time I talk smack on the Pirates he mentions how the Pens have the Rangers number EVERY SEASON, good thing his #2 team is Big Blue and my #2 is the Stillers or else itd be constant smack talk, LOL

bandwgn86
10-21-2009, 10:28 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins. Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team, and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs. This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault. Baseball is a joke. The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>


that is true... I mean personally having a salary cap max (and min for those teams like Florida and such) is a MUST have.</P>


morning fellas..</P>


cap may not be a "must have" so much as adding another wildcard spot or 2 open it up like hockey.. ifthat still doesn't come close to "fairing" it up thant atleastmore money is made by the franchises due to teams having better shots at making it to post seasons.. </P>

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 10:30 AM
good morning. happy 7000 g's to me!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo GiiIIIIIAAAANTSSSS!!!</P>


</P>


heres to 7000 more with you losers[B][:D]</P>


And this is why blunts should not be smoked for breakfast....LMAO.</P>


i need some shmoke. im reeeal hungover. got wasted at my friends house watching the yanks.im going to throw up all over myself. lol</P> LOL- It does settle the tummy...The best cure is a big greasy meal and a FAT sack of indo
lol indeed.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:30 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.


he doesn't got top corners or nearly as much coverage as Hines has/is.
Holmes never even cracked 1000 yards in his career

thats not a #1 WR.

appletree943
10-21-2009, 10:31 AM
6 down</P>


*</P>


5 to go</P>


*</P>


to #27</P>that's so cute

best part about it is that we're going to be able to torture the philly fans on our way to 27...

you guys had a nice run thophillies in 6

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:32 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
Eeeaaaasssssyyyyy Rodney
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:hTetbm9CnVzbRM:http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg&amp;img refurl=http://movies.tvguide.com/super-troopers/135457&amp;usg=__1Ti6meAw6XnZVAx5ERw-aMmZpN8=&amp;h=288&amp;w=384&amp;sz=44&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;tbnid=hTe tbm9CnVzbRM:&amp;tbnh=92&amp;tbnw=123&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Btroopers%2Bcaptain%26gbv%3D2% 26hl%3Den)

Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:32 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next yearWOW man, do you need a phone call from Mike Tomlin telling you that he's the #1????

If ya watch alot of Steeler games (which I do) you see that teams are covering Holmes how they USED TO cover Ward.* Like I said yesterday I liken it to Amani and Plax in 07, Amani (Ward) is on the downswing of his career and is not warranting the extra coverage while Plax (Holmes) is drawing the extra coverage allowing the other WR to get open


false..

i haven't seen them all, but i've def seen a few of them...

Ward gets the over the top saftey coverage to his side ALL the time.

ibleedblue85
10-21-2009, 10:32 AM
good morning boys!</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/phillies-logo.png</P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:34 AM
dp

appletree943
10-21-2009, 10:34 AM
good morning boys!</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/phillies-logo.png</P>i knew i liked you

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:34 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:36 AM
hockey..</p>http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:95s20IkExRyMUM:http://mikeytherhino.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/hockey-fight.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mikeytherhino.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/hockey-fight.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://mikeytherhino.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/anagram-fcking-hostilefickle-shouting/&amp;usg=__R4ESc9ZLzaM7fuGCEBu5ma4qYTk=&amp;h=432&amp;w=500&amp;sz =46&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;tbnid=95s20IkExRyMUM:&amp;tbnh=112&amp;t bnw=130&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhockey%2Bfight%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)

Gotta LOVE Hockey

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:36 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
Eeeaaaasssssyyyyy Rodney
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:hTetbm9CnVzbRM:http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg&imgrefurl=http://movies.tvguide.com/super-troopers/135457&usg=__1Ti6meAw6XnZVAx5ERw-aMmZpN8=&h=288&w=384&sz=44&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=hTetbm9CnVzbRM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Btroopers%2Bcaptain%26gbv%3D2% 26hl%3Den)

Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:36 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins.** Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team,* and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs.* This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault.* Baseball is a joke.* The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>


that is true... I mean personally having a salary cap max (and min for those teams like Florida and such) is a MUST have.</P>


morning fellas..</P>


cap may not be a "must have" so much as adding another wildcard spot or 2 open it up like hockey.. if*that still doesn't come close to "fairing" it up thant atleast*more money is made by the franchises due to teams having better shots at making it to post seasons.. </P>

hey forgot to answer u yesterday...

barran21 is a ******bag and no i don't know him

bandwgn86
10-21-2009, 10:37 AM
hockey..</P>


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:95s20IkExRyMUM:http://mikeytherhino.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/hockey-fight.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mikeytherhino.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/hockey-fight.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://mikeytherhino.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/anagram-fcking-hostilefickle-shouting/&amp;usg=__R4ESc9ZLzaM7fuGCEBu5ma4qYTk=&amp;h=432&amp;w=500&amp;sz =46&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;tbnid=95s20IkExRyMUM:&amp;tbnh=112&amp;t bnw=130&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhockey%2Bfight%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)

Gotta LOVE Hockey
</P>


thanks for further embarassing the Leafs last Saturday.. that was great. </P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:37 AM
6 down</P>


*</P>


5 to go</P>


*</P>


to #27</P>that's so cute

best part about it is that we're going to be able to torture the philly fans on our way to 27...

you guys had a nice run thophillies in 6

lol yea right... if it goes to game 6 and yankees do happen to be down 3-2, bet ur **** its going to 7

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 10:38 AM
good morning boys!</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/phillies-logo.png</P>


Morning.</P>


Will you and Mr. Bud be making any sort of wager on World Series, should the Yanks and Phillies play each other???</P>


Just so you know, i am pulling for my fellow NL Easters.....[;)]</P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:38 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next yearWOW man, do you need a phone call from Mike Tomlin telling you that he's the #1????

If ya watch alot of Steeler games (which I do) you see that teams are covering Holmes how they USED TO cover Ward. Like I said yesterday I liken it to Amani and Plax in 07, Amani (Ward) is on the downswing of his career and is not warranting the extra coverage while Plax (Holmes) is drawing the extra coverage allowing the other WR to get open


false..

i haven't seen them all, but i've def seen a few of them...

Ward gets the over the top saftey coverage to his side ALL the time.

sorry I'm gonna believe a devout Pittsburgh fan over you Matt, My Boss as I've said before, has gone to both SB's pit won, and goes to games when he can, and never misses a Steelers game he's been watching them before you or I were even born, he says Santonio Holmes is their #1, Defenses Cover Santonio Holmes as if he was the number 1....I don't know what more you need to be convinced, I suppose you just can't admit your wrong, that's fine I guess.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:38 AM
good morning boys!</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/phillies-logo.png</P>i knew i liked you

yea well eagles fans stick together

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 10:38 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.
Yo 99% of the MBs, EVERY Steeler fan I know, and anyone that watches Steeler games agree that Santonio is the #1, last season was MUCH <font size="6">MUCH</font> more debatable

bandwgn86
10-21-2009, 10:38 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins. Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team, and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs. This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault. Baseball is a joke. The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>


that is true... I mean personally having a salary cap max (and min for those teams like Florida and such) is a MUST have.</P>


morning fellas..</P>


cap may not be a "must have" so much as adding another wildcard spot or 2 open it up like hockey.. ifthat still doesn't come close to "fairing" it up thant atleastmore money is made by the franchises due to teams having better shots at making it to post seasons.. </P>


hey forgot to answer u yesterday... barran21 is a ******bag and no i don't know him</P>


so you seen his sig calling you mentally challenged lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:39 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.


and again.... thats false because i've seen with my own two eyes that Ward gets that treatment and double covered with saftey help oer the top

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:40 AM
again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

you have this notion that whatever the stats say is what it is period, you are completely and utterly ignoring any other point, like the fact that Santonio has been seeing more double coverages has been going up against the number 1 CB's of opposing teams etc etc...

you see "Stats" and only stats....your being Izbo atm.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:41 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.


and again.... thats false because i've seen with my own two eyes that Ward gets that treatment and double covered with saftey help oer the top

yeah well, then go see an eye doctor.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:41 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.
Yo 99% of the MBs, EVERY Steeler fan I know, and anyone that watches Steeler games agree that Santonio is the #1, last season was MUCH <font size="6">MUCH</font> more debatable


santonio in 08 55 catches 821 yards 5 tds

ward in 08 81 catches 1043 yards 7 tds

we're goign to question who the #1 WR is there?

ibleedblue85
10-21-2009, 10:41 AM
good morning boys!</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/phillies-logo.png</P>


i knew i liked you yea well eagles fans stick together</P>


<FONT size=6>**** YOU</FONT></P>


<FONT size=6>and </FONT></P>


<FONT size=6>**** THE EAGLES!!!!!!</FONT></P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:42 AM
that Santonio is the #1, last season was MUCH <font size="6">MUCH</font> more debatable


perhaps its more debatable but by my definition he definitely was...he was certainly drawing more coverage by the end of last year.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:43 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next yearWOW man, do you need a phone call from Mike Tomlin telling you that he's the #1????

If ya watch alot of Steeler games (which I do) you see that teams are covering Holmes how they USED TO cover Ward.* Like I said yesterday I liken it to Amani and Plax in 07, Amani (Ward) is on the downswing of his career and is not warranting the extra coverage while Plax (Holmes) is drawing the extra coverage allowing the other WR to get open


false..

i haven't seen them all, but i've def seen a few of them...

Ward gets the over the top saftey coverage to his side ALL the time.

sorry I'm gonna believe a devout Pittsburgh fan over you Matt, My Boss as I've said before, has gone to both SB's pit won, and goes to games when he can, and never misses a Steelers game he's been watching them before you or I were even born, he says Santonio Holmes is their #1, Defenses Cover Santonio Holmes as if he was the number 1....I don't know what more you need to be convinced, I suppose you just can't admit your wrong, that's fine I guess.


there was plenty of devout giants fans that thought our WR core wouldn't be **** this year..

ahem....

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:43 AM
Morehead, what are you going to do WHEN the Yanks win the 'ship?!!?
If it involves wearing pinstripes, dont do it till I get a camera near ya! ;]</P>


If it happens, I will have to acknowledge the unfortunate truth that sometimes evil wins.** Sometimes you can actually whip out a checkbook and overcome foolishness, baseball ignorance and an unwillingness to do the hard things to build a baseball team,* and buy a championship.</P>


I love Jeter, Posada and Mariano but this season is all about the Mercs.* This is the season that the "non Yankee" Yankees made the difference.</P>


Its not the Yankees fault.* Baseball is a joke.* The Yankees and Sox dominate because the system allows them.</P>


Rant over.</P>


that is true... I mean personally having a salary cap max (and min for those teams like Florida and such) is a MUST have.</P>


morning fellas..</P>


cap may not be a "must have" so much as adding another wildcard spot or 2 open it up like hockey.. if*that still doesn't come close to "fairing" it up thant atleast*more money is made by the franchises due to teams having better shots at making it to post seasons.. </P>


hey forgot to answer u yesterday... barran21 is a ******bag and no i don't know him</P>


so you seen his sig calling you mentally challenged lol</P>

nope... what thread?

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:43 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.
Yo 99% of the MBs, EVERY Steeler fan I know, and anyone that watches Steeler games agree that Santonio is the #1, last season was MUCH <font size="6">MUCH</font> more debatable


santonio in 08 55 catches 821 yards 5 tds

ward in 08 81 catches 1043 yards 7 tds

we're goign to question who the #1 WR is there?

I'm not questioning it, I'm telling you it was Santonio in my opinion, all you see is stats, if that's all you are going to consider then there is no point even talking about it Izbo2.

ibleedblue85
10-21-2009, 10:44 AM
good morning boys!</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/phillies-logo.png</P>


Morning.</P>


Will you and Mr. Bud be making any sort of wager on World Series, should the Yanks and Phillies play each other???</P>


Just so you know, i am pulling for my fellow NL Easters.....[;)]</P>


</P>


OH im sure we will... speaking of which since phillies won the last series MMB still owes me a night out with him in phightens gear! [:D]</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:44 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.


and again.... thats false because i've seen with my own two eyes that Ward gets that treatment and double covered with saftey help oer the top

yeah well, then go see an eye doctor.


says the guy who admitted he wasn't watching the games this year lol

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 10:44 AM
Rant over.</p>
Careful with that, Daven might blow a gasket again.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:45 AM
there was plenty of devout giants fans that thought our WR core wouldn't be **** this year..

ahem....

They still haven't proven **** to me...I mean I'll admit they are better then I thought they were going to be so far, but until they do it in the playoffs I couldn't care less.

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 10:46 AM
Why is Lando hoarding all the WR's?</p>
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/02/03/sports/03colts.1.600.jpg

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:46 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.


and again.... thats false because i've seen with my own two eyes that Ward gets that treatment and double covered with saftey help oer the top

yeah well, then go see an eye doctor.


says the guy who admitted he wasn't watching the games this year lol

you ALSO admitted not watching all the games this year lol.....

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:46 AM
Rant over.</p>
Careful with that, Daven might blow a gasket again.


I must have missed the rant post [:(]

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 10:47 AM
And if they lose, I will say nothing.
</p>
YEAH RIGHT!!!

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 10:47 AM
Damn you Lando

Come with the offer baby...

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:47 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.
Yo 99% of the MBs, EVERY Steeler fan I know, and anyone that watches Steeler games agree that Santonio is the #1, last season was MUCH <font size="6">MUCH</font> more debatable


santonio in 08 55 catches 821 yards 5 tds

ward in 08 81 catches 1043 yards 7 tds

we're goign to question who the #1 WR is there?

I'm not questioning it, I'm telling you it was Santonio in my opinion, all you see is stats, if that's all you are going to consider then there is no point even talking about it Izbo2.


well when your talking abotu something thats almost fully based on stats then thats all

so i guess Jerry Rice wasn't a #1 WR by ur standards... i mean he wasn't a big WR and he wasn't a super speedy guy...

he wasn't physically dominating, he just had those overrated stats

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 10:49 AM
How did he get all those players? Is he really that smart or are we all that dumb? </p>


A question for the ages.</p>
It all started with a solid draft. Got lucky with Mendenhall. Got Westy and then Bandy really needed help so he gave up Moss while his value was at an all time high.

You guys are not dumb at all. My advisers also really helped. [;)]

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:50 AM
well when your talking abotu something thats almost fully based on stats

The #1 WR on a team has NOTHING to do with stats Matt.... NOTHING.

sometimes they correlate but it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:53 AM
well when your talking abotu something thats almost fully based on stats then thats all

so i guess Jerry Rice wasn't a #1 WR by ur standards... i mean he wasn't a big WR and he wasn't a super speedy guy...

he wasn't physically dominating, he just had those overrated stats

He got open, caught everything thrown at him, and was good after the catch, you don't "Have" to be physically dominating to be dominate, Rice was dominate, thus he was the #1, but you don't have to "put up numbers" to be dominate either, you just have to prove you can beat their best CB in single coverage every time, Holmes has proven he can do that, Ward can't do that anymore never really could, he's just not that type of WR.

it's very similar to the way Plax and Toomer was for us, had Toomer had more TDs/Yards/Receptions would Toomer have been considered the #1...no shot in hell, it's still have been Plax.

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 10:54 AM
I remember a time when teams like Pittsburgh and Kansas City were dominant in baseball. Can you imagine what its like now to live in those cities and have no chance by April 15th? They have no chance with the current system.</P>


I agree and disagree....
Pitt, and KC will never be competitive because they dont generate enough income to go after free agents. They rely on their farm systems, but then trade players away....
Small market gets screwed by....well....being small market I guess...</P>


</P>


Kansas City hasn't shrunk since the days of George Brett, Dan Quisenberry, and Amos Otis. Pittsburgh is the same size market it was when they had Willie Stargell and Dave Parker. The FA system is fine, but without fundamental changes in the revenue sharing sysytem by MLB, it will kill baseball eventually.</P>


A sports league is only as good as its weakest franchises. </P>maybe owners shouldnt be so cheap, buy good FA's, start winning, generate a fan base, and make even more money. you cant have an omlet without breaking a few eggs.[;)]

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:55 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.


and again.... thats false because i've seen with my own two eyes that Ward gets that treatment and double covered with saftey help oer the top

yeah well, then go see an eye doctor.


says the guy who admitted he wasn't watching the games this year lol

you ALSO admitted not watching all the games this year lol.....


yea but i have seen 4 of em... and Charles Tillman was DEFINITLY on Ward most of the game vs Chi and Finnigan was DEF on Ward most of the game vs Tenn...


Charges and Browns run mostly zone schemes so there is no real man on man coverage to really argue a point either way, but there was always a saftey over the top on Ward.

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 10:56 AM
Good morning.

Are u guys still arguing the #1 receiver thing ? holy **** ! lol

Yankees v. Phillies.....hmmmmm , tough call but I'm pulling for Yankees.

What about u Daven ???

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 10:56 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.
and again.... thats false because i've seen with my own two eyes that Ward gets that treatment and double covered with saftey help oer the top

yeah well, then go see an eye doctor.
ABSURD!!!!!!!!! i sayyyy

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 10:57 AM
holmes a #1? maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
</P>


Pittsburgh's passing attack is a bit like the Giants. There really isn't a "#1" receiver as much as a basic passing strategy.</P>


This #1 or #2 argument is really foolish. </P>


Who's #1 in Minn. Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:58 AM
Good morning.

Are u guys still arguing the #1 receiver thing ? holy **** ! lol

Yankees v. Phillies.....hmmmmm , tough call but I'm pulling for Yankees.

What about u Daven ???

Yankees, I hate the phillies as a Mets fan and since most of my friends are Yankee's fans I want the Yankees to win for them I guess, I mean, the more they win the more I get to go out an party lol.

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 10:59 AM
I havent said anything about the Steelers WRs debate...but I just want to cuz im out of things to talk about currently...
Holmes is the #1....
I consider Ward more of a possession guy, and his role goes well beyond catching the ball....you know...like having a FB in the secondary to block. lol
I dont know why any of you even care that much. i ****ing hate pittsburgh....
Although Hines Ward is a UGA alum, soooooo PROPS!

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 10:59 AM
well when your talking abotu something thats almost fully based on stats

The #1 WR on a team has NOTHING to do with stats Matt.... NOTHING.

sometimes they correlate but it has absolutely nothing to do with it.


loved how u ignored my point on Jerry Rice. But besides Rice, what about Marvin Harrison, Tim Brown, Torry Holt (old torry holt), Rod Smith.

And what about before when Holmes was there? By your definition, his size and speed would of prevented him from being a #1 for this whole career.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 10:59 AM
Who's #1 in Minn. Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</p>

Sidney Rice, Ted Ginn.

and for the Giants it's either Manningham or Nicks, it still isn't really decided yet....they might still try to make it Hixon.

and Holmes is definitely the #1 on Pit.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:00 AM
well when your talking abotu something thats almost fully based on stats

The #1 WR on a team has NOTHING to do with stats Matt.... NOTHING.

sometimes they correlate but it has absolutely nothing to do with it.


loved how u ignored my point on Jerry Rice.

I dedicated and entire post to Rice Matt, whose ignoring who.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:01 AM
there was plenty of devout giants fans that thought our WR core wouldn't be **** this year..

ahem....

They still haven't proven **** to me...I mean I'll admit they are better then I thought they were going to be so far, but until they do it in the playoffs I couldn't care less.


plenty of devout Giant fans that thought Eli should be cut...
just pointing out just because somebody is a fan really has no relevance to our argument

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 11:02 AM
Why is Lando hoarding all the WR's?</P>



http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/02/03/sports/03colts.1.600.jpg
</P>


http://hawkfantasysports.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/pittsburgh-steelers-defense.jpg</P>


PLUS</P>


http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0629/0407/110914_feature.jpg</P>

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 11:03 AM
Who's #1 in Minn. Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</P>




Sidney Rice, Ted Ginn.

and for the Giants it's either Manningham or Nicks, it still isn't really decided yet....they might still try to make it Hixon.

and Holmes is definitely the #1 on Pit.
</P>


2 weeks ago Sidney Rice was a FA in our FF league. Now you're being silly.</P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:04 AM
there was plenty of devout giants fans that thought our WR core wouldn't be **** this year..

ahem....

They still haven't proven **** to me...I mean I'll admit they are better then I thought they were going to be so far, but until they do it in the playoffs I couldn't care less.


plenty of devout Giant fans that thought Eli should be cut...
just pointing out just because somebody is a fan really has no relevance to our argument

point is both you and me are commenting on something we don't have as much knowledge about as he does, he lives and dies with their wins like we do with Giants wins, I hold his opinion in a higher regard then mine or yours or anyone else on these MB's because he's literally watching every play...like we do when watching the giants.

he can be wrong, like some of us were with Eli, but he's got alot more to go on then either of us do.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:05 AM
well when your talking abotu something thats almost fully based on stats then thats all

so i guess Jerry Rice wasn't a #1 WR by ur standards... i mean he wasn't a big WR and he wasn't a super speedy guy...

he wasn't physically dominating, he just had those overrated stats

He got open, caught everything thrown at him, and was good after the catch, you don't "Have" to be physically dominating to be dominate, Rice was dominate, thus he was the #1, but you don't have to "put up numbers" to be dominate either, you just have to prove you can beat their best CB in single coverage every time, Holmes has proven he can do that, Ward can't do that anymore never really could, he's just not that type of WR.

it's very similar to the way Plax and Toomer was for us, had Toomer had more TDs/Yards/Receptions would Toomer have been considered the #1...no shot in hell, it's still have been Plax.


u just described Hines Ward game too but yet he could never be a #1. You just described Steve Smiths game, btu he could never be #1.

And u've now backtracked on ur definition of a #1 WR.

Holmes has proven that? lol i think not my man... quite frankly, Holmes has been a solid WR in the NFL with a possible high ceiling i would admit, but hes proven nothing that would suggest that he can beat #1 CBs week in and out.... especially cuz hes not getting #1 corner treatment.

ibleedblue85
10-21-2009, 11:06 AM
Who's #1 in Minn. Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</P>




Sidney Rice, Ted Ginn.

and for the Giants it's either Manningham or Nicks, it still isn't really decided yet....they might still try to make it Hixon.

and Holmes is definitely the #1 on Pit.
</P>


i thought berrian was gonna be the #1 this yeat in MIN but i was wrong with that.. i think Bess might be the #1 in MIA</P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:06 AM
2 weeks ago Sidney Rice was a FA in our FF league. Now you're being silly.</p>

I'm serious, he was the Number 1 week one, Number 1 does NOT mean good stats morehead...to me stats have "Nothing" to do with it.

Sidney Rice is faster, stronger ad just flat out better then Berrian, was when this season started...but Min doesn't pass alot (well more this year cause of Favre but not alot) and Berrian is one heck of a #2 (much like Ward) when you have 2 WR's that could be a #1 the #2 often does better then the real #1.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:07 AM
holmes a #1? maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
</P>


Pittsburgh's passing attack is a bit like the Giants.* There really isn't a "#1" receiver as much as a basic passing strategy.</P>


This #1 or #2 argument is really foolish.* </P>


Who's #1 in Minn.* Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</P>

i dunno about that, i'd say Steve Smith is our #1 WR...

and Sidney Rice is Minnys #1 WR to date

and Ginn is Miami's #1.

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:07 AM
R.Moss is #1 in NE

AND

Santonio Holmes = #1 in Pitt !!!!

Morehead State
10-21-2009, 11:07 AM
Who's #1 in Minn. Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</P>




Sidney Rice, Ted Ginn.

and for the Giants it's either Manningham or Nicks, it still isn't really decided yet....they might still try to make it Hixon.

and Holmes is definitely the #1 on Pit.
</P>


i thought berrian was gonna be the #1 this yeat in MIN but i was wrong with that.. i think Bess might be the #1 in MIA</P>


</P>


These kind of arguments are among fans only. Most teams don't think this way. They just try to get guys open.</P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:08 AM
Who's #1 in Minn. Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</p>




Sidney Rice, Ted Ginn.

and for the Giants it's either Manningham or Nicks, it still isn't really decided yet....they might still try to make it Hixon.

and Holmes is definitely the #1 on Pit.
</p>


i thought berrian was gonna be the #1 this yeat in MIN but i was wrong with that.. i think Bess might be the #1 in MIA</p>

Bess is the possession guy, thrown to 27 times caught 23...but not big plays, Ted Ginn has been targeted 32 times caught 16, but big plays.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:09 AM
there was plenty of devout giants fans that thought our WR core wouldn't be **** this year..

ahem....

They still haven't proven **** to me...I mean I'll admit they are better then I thought they were going to be so far, but until they do it in the playoffs I couldn't care less.


plenty of devout Giant fans that thought Eli should be cut...
just pointing out just because somebody is a fan really has no relevance to our argument

point is both you and me are commenting on something we don't have as much knowledge about as he does, he lives and dies with their wins like we do with Giants wins, I hold his opinion in a higher regard then mine or yours or anyone else on these MB's because he's literally watching every play...like we do when watching the giants.

he can be wrong, like some of us were with Eli, but he's got alot more to go on then either of us do.


no the point is the "my friend is pitt fan and agrees with me argument" is useless.

Not really, hes probably only seen 2 more games than me... i'd say 4 out of 6 is a fair sample size to make an educated guess

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:10 AM
Who's #1 in Minn.* Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</P>




Sidney Rice, Ted Ginn.

and for the Giants it's either Manningham or Nicks, it still isn't really decided yet....they might still try to make it Hixon.

and Holmes is definitely the #1 on Pit.
</P>


i thought berrian was gonna be the #1 this yeat in MIN but i was wrong with that.. i think Bess might be the #1 in MIA</P>

ginn has more yards, tds, big plays, and gets the focus of coverage

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:11 AM
2 weeks ago Sidney Rice was a FA in our FF league.* Now you're being silly.</p>

I'm serious, he was the Number 1 week one, Number 1 does NOT mean good stats morehead...to me stats have "Nothing" to do with it.

Sidney Rice is faster, stronger ad just flat out better then Berrian, was when this season started...but Min doesn't pass alot (well more this year cause of Favre but not alot) and Berrian is one heck of a #2 (much like Ward) when you have 2 WR's that could be a #1 the #2 often does better then the real #1.


to say that Rice was coming into the season considered the #1 of this team just shows how swiss cheesy ur argument is

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:11 AM
no the point is the "my friend is pitt fan and agrees with me argument" is useless.

Not really, hes probably only seen 2 more games than me... i'd say 4 out of 6 is a fair sample size to make an educated guess

you are wrong, first off your forgetting about all of last year, (unless you watched all those games too) and secondly you watch your own team differently then you watch other teams.

you can make an educated guess, so can I, but his guess is better.

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:12 AM
I just joined the Steelers message board. Waiting for my account to get approved. Then we will get it right from the horses mouth.

I will simply ask this one question.

Who is the #1 WR in Pittsburgh.....Funny thing is after they all say Holmes Matt will still disagree.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:12 AM
to say that Rice was coming into the season considered the #1 of this team just shows how swiss cheesy ur argument is

How so...is he not the bigger faster more dominate receiver? does he not draw the coverage?

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:13 AM
no the point is the "my friend is pitt fan and agrees with me argument" is useless.

Not really, hes probably only seen 2 more games than me... i'd say 4 out of 6 is a fair sample size to make an educated guess

you are wrong, first off your forgetting about all of last year, (unless you watched all those games too) and secondly you watch your own team differently then you watch other teams.

you can make an educated guess, so can I, but his guess is better.


oh stop it with last year... last year is not even debatable Ward was the #1 there

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:14 AM
no the point is the "my friend is pitt fan and agrees with me argument" is useless.

Not really, hes probably only seen 2 more games than me... i'd say 4 out of 6 is a fair sample size to make an educated guess

you are wrong, first off your forgetting about all of last year, (unless you watched all those games too) and secondly you watch your own team differently then you watch other teams.

you can make an educated guess, so can I, but his guess is better.


and there is no guesses about whose getting more focus from the defense... its not an opinion... its a fact

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:14 AM
Trent Edwards is a FA. Just sayin...

ibleedblue85
10-21-2009, 11:14 AM
2 weeks ago Sidney Rice was a FA in our FF league. Now you're being silly.</P>




I'm serious, he was the Number 1 week one, Number 1 does NOT mean good stats morehead...to me stats have "Nothing" to do with it.

Sidney Rice is faster, stronger ad just flat out better then Berrian, was when this season started...but Min doesn't pass alot (well more this year cause of Favre but not alot) and Berrian is one heck of a #2 (much like Ward) when you have 2 WR's that could be a #1 the #2 often does better then the real #1.
to say that Rice was coming into the season considered the #1 of this team just shows how swiss cheesy ur argument is</P>


anyone who thought that going INTO the season anyone but berrian was the #1 in MIN is ridic... </P>

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 11:15 AM
NFL and Pats are auctioning of license plates #s 115 - 197. I may not be around by the time they get to #666...[:(] [6]</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:15 AM
to say that Rice was coming into the season considered the #1 of this team just shows how swiss cheesy ur argument is

How so...is he not the bigger faster more dominate receiver? does he not draw the coverage?


he wasn't even a starter coming into the season lol

bigger faster stronger? Than i guess we've been arguing for nothing, cuz that means Limas Sweed is the #1 in Pitt

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:15 AM
oh stop it with last year... last year is not even debatable Ward was the #1 there

Holmes was DEFINITELY the #1 by the end of last year, the beginning of last year is debatable, but much like I'm saying I thought Rice was the #1 in Min this year, I also thought Holmes was the #! at the beginning of last year, I'm usually slightly ahead of the trend.

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 11:15 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.
Yo 99% of the MBs, EVERY Steeler fan I know, and anyone that watches Steeler games agree that Santonio is the #1, last season was MUCH <font size="6">MUCH</font> more debatable


santonio in 08 55 catches 821 yards 5 tds

ward in 08 81 catches 1043 yards 7 tds

we're goign to question who the #1 WR is there?Well last season Ward was more so the #1 Td, DEF the posession WR and Santonio was more of the 'burner', this season is totally different. While Ward is still the obvious Posession guy, Santonio is more than just a speed guy this season..... Dude you can throw every stat you want my way, but Ive seen just about every Steeler game over the past few seasons

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:16 AM
to say that Rice was coming into the season considered the #1 of this team just shows how swiss cheesy ur argument is

How so...is he not the bigger faster more dominate receiver? does he not draw the coverage?


he wasn't even a starter coming into the season lol

bigger faster stronger? Than i guess we've been arguing for nothing, cuz that means Limas Sweed is the #1 in Pitt

Rice was a starter last year wtf are you talking about lol.

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 11:17 AM
I just joined the Steelers message board. Waiting for my account to get approved. Then we will get it right from the horses mouth.

I will simply ask this one question.

Who is the #1 WR in Pittsburgh.....Funny thing is after they all say Holmes Matt will still disagree.
Fear not, i will go do it right now....Will probably start another Pats hate fest but i will brave it...lol.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:18 AM
oh stop it with last year... last year is not even debatable Ward was the #1 there

Holmes was DEFINITELY the #1 by the end of last year, the beginning of last year is debatable, but much like I'm saying I thought Rice was the #1 in Min this year, I also thought Holmes was the #! at the beginning of last year, I'm usually slightly ahead of the trend.


when i say somebody is the #1, that does not mean that they have better numbers than EVERY WR EVERY week on their team... obviously other WRs will have their weeks, no matter who it is, but especially ina case where its two good WRs in Pitt.

BUT again, don't try and twist it... for the year as a whole, Ward was the #1 there

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:20 AM
I just joined the Steelers message board. Waiting for my account to get approved. Then we will get it right from the horses mouth.

I will simply ask this one question.

Who is the #1 WR in Pittsburgh.....Funny thing is after they all say Holmes Matt will still disagree.
Fear not, i will go do it right now....Will probably start another Pats hate fest but i will brave it...lol.
Don't take my glory. lol Go for it, just make sure you only ask that one question. I don't you to form the question in one side like Matt did for the defending champions debate.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:22 AM
to say that Rice was coming into the season considered the #1 of this team just shows how swiss cheesy ur argument is

How so...is he not the bigger faster more dominate receiver? does he not draw the coverage?


he wasn't even a starter coming into the season lol

bigger faster stronger? Than i guess we've been arguing for nothing, cuz that means Limas Sweed is the #1 in Pitt

Rice was a starter last year wtf are you talking about lol.


honestly, do u ever get sick of being wrong?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceSi01.htm

Bobby Wade started 14 games, Rice starterd 3 and im almost positive they were in the beginning of the year because i remember he scored a Td opening week and people were talking about him having a big fantasy year tehn he lost it all and had a bad year
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WadeBo00.htm

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:22 AM
Who's #1 in Minn.* Who's #1 in Miami? etc.....</P>




Sidney Rice, Ted Ginn.

and for the Giants it's either Manningham or Nicks, it still isn't really decided yet....they might still try to make it Hixon.

and Holmes is definitely the #1 on Pit.
</P>


2 weeks ago Sidney Rice was a FA in our FF league.* Now you're being silly.</P>


Now he's getting 17 points a week for ME !!!

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:23 AM
ok it was just last year and now this year, but it was from the beginning of last year, and he has been going up against opposing defenses top corners I don't understand why Matt is saying he's not.
Yo 99% of the MBs, EVERY Steeler fan I know, and anyone that watches Steeler games agree that Santonio is the #1, last season was MUCH <font size="6">MUCH</font> more debatable


santonio in 08 55 catches 821 yards 5 tds

ward in 08 81 catches 1043 yards 7 tds

we're goign to question who the #1 WR is there?Well last season Ward was more so the #1 Td, DEF the posession WR and Santonio was more of the 'burner', this season is totally different.* While Ward is still the obvious Posession guy, Santonio is more than just a speed guy this season..... Dude you can throw every stat you want my way, but Ive seen just about every Steeler game over the past few seasons


well Ward is not only more of a big plays but he is also is a possession WR.

I guess all of thos years I thoguht Amani Toomer was our #1, i msut of been wrong, because he was a possession guy

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:24 AM
he wasn't even a starter coming into the season

then Who was, cause Bobby Wade is in KC right now, plus Rice had definitely started a few games..

byron
10-21-2009, 11:24 AM
good morning all...all in is well in the 11 i see

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 11:25 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
Eeeaaaasssssyyyyy Rodney
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Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season. If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is. I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:25 AM
Now he's getting 17 points a week for ME !!!
Careful Shock, someone might think you are bragging about having Rice as your #1 WR. lol

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:27 AM
good morning all...all in is well in the 11 i see

Morning....


How are my favoriute doggies !

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:28 AM
he wasn't even a starter coming into the season

then Who was, cause Bobby Wade is in KC right now, plus Rice had definitely started a few games..


he was named a starter middle of the preseaosn, but bobby wade was there.

Berrian was the guaranteed starter the whole time AND they just drafted Harvin....

Sidney Rice is listed as the starting flanker on the Vikings' first training camp depth chart.

The Vikings have big plans for Percy Harvin but he's on the third team, behind Rice and Bobby Wade. That goes to show how useful this depth chart is. Harvin is listed as the starting kick returner, with Jaymar Johnson on punts.
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 11:28 AM
hockey..</p>


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Gotta LOVE Hockey
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thanks for further embarassing the Leafs last Saturday.. that was great. </p>Dont feel bad, the Sharks pulled our pants down n SPANKED us with 7 Goals

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:28 AM
Now he's getting 17 points a week for ME !!!
Careful Shock, someone might think you are bragging about having Rice as your #1 WR. lol


I AM ! lol

Rather have any of oyur guys though...lol

Hey Daven u get your D'....Philly @ Wsh. is on the block !

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:29 AM
DAVEN: As per your FF status it says "Black Mamba is coming". There is only one Black Mamba!!!

http://www.watcheshead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nubeo-black-mamba-kobe-bryant-watch.jpg

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:30 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
Eeeaaaasssssyyyyy Rodney
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:hTetbm9CnVzbRM:http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg&imgrefurl=http://movies.tvguide.com/super-troopers/135457&usg=__1Ti6meAw6XnZVAx5ERw-aMmZpN8=&h=288&w=384&sz=44&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=hTetbm9CnVzbRM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Btroopers%2Bcaptain%26gbv%3D2% 26hl%3Den)

Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season.* If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is.* I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys


i've seen 4 games this year which is most of the season.

thats cuz ur argument is that a possession WR means that a guy can't be the #1.

Coulda fooled Seattle who just spent #1 WR on a bigtime possession guy in housh.

Also by this theory your saying Amani Toomer was NEVER a #1 WR for us

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:31 AM
he wasn't even a starter coming into the season

then Who was, cause Bobby Wade is in KC right now, plus Rice had definitely started a few games..


he was named a starter middle of the preseaosn, but bobby wade was there.

Berrian was the guaranteed starter the whole time AND they just drafted Harvin....

Sidney Rice is listed as the starting flanker on the Vikings' first training camp depth chart.

The Vikings have big plans for Percy Harvin but he's on the third team, behind Rice and Bobby Wade. That goes to show how useful this depth chart is. Harvin is listed as the starting kick returner, with Jaymar Johnson on punts.
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press

Depth Charts are definitely useless, and Harvin may be the #1 next season, but as of right now I would say Rice is there #1 if I had to guess, he's tall, fast, seems to have decent hands, he looks good in "Highlights" that's all I can say cause unless Min is primetime I'm not really watching them, I caught some of the Min/Bal game this week flipping between the giants game and that one.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:33 AM
he wasn't even a starter coming into the season

then Who was, cause Bobby Wade is in KC right now, plus Rice had definitely started a few games..


he was named a starter middle of the preseaosn, but bobby wade was there.

Berrian was the guaranteed starter the whole time AND they just drafted Harvin....

Sidney Rice is listed as the starting flanker on the Vikings' first training camp depth chart.

The Vikings have big plans for Percy Harvin but he's on the third team, behind Rice and Bobby Wade. That goes to show how useful this depth chart is. Harvin is listed as the starting kick returner, with Jaymar Johnson on punts.
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press

Depth Charts are definitely useless, and Harvin may be the #1 next season, but as of right now I would say Rice is there #1 if I had to guess, he's tall, fast, seems to have decent hands, he looks good in "Highlights" that's all I can say cause unless Min is primetime I'm not really watching them, I caught some of the Min/Bal game this week flipping between the giants game and that one.


no i agree he is... but to say that Rice was the #1 coming into this season is a joke, he just won his starting spot in the middle of the preseason

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:33 AM
DAVEN: As per your FF status it says "Black Mamba is coming". There is only one Black Mamba!!!

http://www.watcheshead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nubeo-black-mamba-kobe-bryant-watch.jpg


http://media.canada.com/gallery/movie_assassins/1024_killbill.jpg

It's a play on Moreheads team name.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:34 AM
no i agree he is... but to say that Rice was the #1 coming into this season is a joke, he just won his starting spot in the middle of the preseason

by coming into the season I meant coming into week 1 of the regular season, but your right, without having proven it during a regular season game he couldn't really have been considered such, so I guess he's just turning into it over the last 2-3 weeks.

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 11:34 AM
I just joined the Steelers message board. Waiting for my account to get approved. Then we will get it right from the horses mouth.

I will simply ask this one question.

Who is the #1 WR in Pittsburgh.....Funny thing is after they all say Holmes Matt will still disagree.
Fear not, i will go do it right now....Will probably start another Pats hate fest but i will brave it...lol.
Don't take my glory. lol Go for it, just make sure you only ask that one question. I don't you to form the question in one side like Matt did for the defending champions debate.
You can have the glory. I think they booted me, my password no longer works. lol.</P>


</P>

byron
10-21-2009, 11:35 AM
good morning all...all in is well in the 11 i see Morning.... How are my favoriute doggies ! all is well thanks thanks shocks that was a nice pick up on rice BF likes him hence minn's#1 theses days which is helpfull in our ff quest ...you knowthe guy who gets the points. obviousstatement i know but week to i look for those guys and have picked up a couple good onesmyself

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:35 AM
no i agree he is... but to say that Rice was the #1 coming into this season is a joke, he just won his starting spot in the middle of the preseason

by coming into the season I meant coming into week 1 of the regular season.


even still.. he didn't have anything in stone... Berrian was suppose to be the #1 there this year...

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:35 AM
no i agree he is... but to say that Rice was the #1 coming into this season is a joke, he just won his starting spot in the middle of the preseason

by coming into the season I meant coming into week 1 of the regular season.


even still.. he didn't have anything in stone... Berrian was suppose to be the #1 there this year...

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:37 AM
It's a play on Moreheads team name.

That went right over my head, never saw the movie either though. lol

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:37 AM
I think they booted me</p>


</p>

Not nice, we would never boot you here. [{]
</p>

JPizzack
10-21-2009, 11:38 AM
yea dont ya love how Kobe Bryant stole a nickname from The Bride? A woman? lol....
Well....at least he didnt take the ***** like he's been known to do...
lolllllllllllllllllllllll

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:39 AM
kobe bryant is over-rated !

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 11:40 AM
no i agree he is... but to say that Rice was the #1 coming into this season is a joke, he just won his starting spot in the middle of the preseason

by coming into the season I meant coming into week 1 of the regular season.


even still.. he didn't have anything in stone... Berrian was suppose to be the #1 there this year...

Meh I never really bought into Berrian.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:42 AM
no i agree he is... but to say that Rice was the #1 coming into this season is a joke, he just won his starting spot in the middle of the preseason

by coming into the season I meant coming into week 1 of the regular season.


even still.. he didn't have anything in stone... Berrian was suppose to be the #1 there this year...

Meh I never really bought into Berrian.


me neither, but he was the #1 there last year and was expected to be this year

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:43 AM
yea dont ya love how Kobe Bryant stole a nickname from The Bride? A woman? lol....
Well....at least he didnt take the ***** like he's been known to do...
lolllllllllllllllllllllll
It is ok you poor little Suns fan...

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:43 AM
It's a play on Moreheads team name.

That went right over my head, never saw the movie either though. lol


Really ....it's my favoorite tarantino movie...get on that Mr. I ....

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:43 AM
<font color="#ff0000">kobe bryant is over-rated !</font>
Fixed....

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:44 AM
It's a play on Moreheads team name.

That went right over my head, never saw the movie either though. lol


Really ....it's my favoorite tarantino movie...get on that Mr. I ....
Maybe I will check it out. I like 4 Rooms and From Dusk til Dawn.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 11:45 AM
It's a play on Moreheads team name.

That went right over my head, never saw the movie either though. lol


Really ....it's my favoorite tarantino movie...get on that Mr. I ....

over Pulp and Dusk til Dawn?

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:45 AM
<font color="#ff0000">kobe bryant is over-rated !</font>
Fixed....


I wanted to see how mad you would get...it didn't work...lol

Had u been daven though....FIREWORKS !

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:46 AM
It's a play on Moreheads team name.

That went right over my head, never saw the movie either though. lol


Really ....it's my favoorite tarantino movie...get on that Mr. I ....

over Pulp and Dusk til Dawn?


I love me some Pulp Fiction but Yes.

And Dusk til' Dawn was Robert ROdriguez.

think Tarantino produced or wrote it thoguh.

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:48 AM
" that woman deserves her revenge....and we deserve to die...but than again so does she; so I guess we'll see ..."

Micheal Madsen ...KILL BILL 2 !

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 11:48 AM
<font color="#ff0000">kobe bryant is over-rated !</font>
Fixed....


I wanted to see how mad you would get...it didn't work...lol

Had u been daven though....FIREWORKS !
No way anyone can say that. He is top 10 all time. After he wins this year to....OH MOMMA!!!

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 11:50 AM
DAVEN: As per your FF status it says "Black Mamba is coming". There is only one Black Mamba!!!

http://www.watcheshead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nubeo-black-mamba-kobe-bryant-watch.jpg
http://media.canada.com/gallery/movie_assassins/1024_killbill.jpg</P>


i thought she was black mamba</P>

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:54 AM
<font color="#ff0000">kobe bryant is over-rated !</font>
Fixed....


I wanted to see how mad you would get...it didn't work...lol

Had u been daven though....FIREWORKS !
No way anyone can say that. He is top 10 all time. After he wins this year to....OH MOMMA!!!



He may go down as top 3 All-time.

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 11:54 AM
wow im way off today. i should just stop.

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 11:55 AM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
Eeeaaaasssssyyyyy Rodney
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:hTetbm9CnVzbRM:http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg&amp;img refurl=http://movies.tvguide.com/super-troopers/135457&amp;usg=__1Ti6meAw6XnZVAx5ERw-aMmZpN8=&amp;h=288&amp;w=384&amp;sz=44&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;tbnid=hTe tbm9CnVzbRM:&amp;tbnh=92&amp;tbnw=123&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Btroopers%2Bcaptain%26gbv%3D2% 26hl%3Den)

Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season. If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is. I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys


i've seen 4 games this year which is most of the season.

thats cuz ur argument is that a possession WR means that a guy can't be the #1.

Coulda fooled Seattle who just spent #1 WR on a bigtime possession guy in housh.

Also by this theory your saying Amani Toomer was NEVER a #1 WR for us
LOL, way to misinterpret my point.... Never in my posts did I say a Posession guy couldnt be a #1 WR.

What I DID say was that last season Ward was the clear cut #1 guy as well as being the posession guy while Holmes was more of the 'burner'. This season Holmes is more so the #1 guy while Ward is more so a straight posession guy

Oh and this is exactly what my buddy in 'The Burgh' said, I just IMed him

<div id="279" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console">Who is their #1 WR right now</font></div><div id="280" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">thats a tough call we dont really have the prototype #1 WR, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">and its sorta a safty valve that gets open, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">its sorta a 1A and 1B tho
</font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"></font></div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(215, 51, 6);"><font color="#000000">:</font></span><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">still?</font>
</font><div id="295" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Well holmes has struggled to start the season</font><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> and <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ward just does his thing end of the game he some how ends up with like 6+ catches, but THIS season its Holmes
</font></div><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">its cause Ward doesnt get the coverage that he used to</font> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">rite???</font></font><div id="298" style="background-color: transparent;"> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font></div><div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">watch out for this Mike Wallace kid tho, </font> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">fastest guy on our squad an catches everything thrown towards him</font></div>

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 11:56 AM
Hey Pats,

If I had played Flacco we owuld have tied...120-120 !!! lmao

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 11:59 AM
It's a play on Moreheads team name.

That went right over my head, never saw the movie either though. lol
Really ....it's my favoorite tarantino movie...get on that Mr. I ....
Maybe I will check it out. I like 4 Rooms and From Dusk til Dawn.
yea killbills great if you like ninja assasins and all that j***. </P>


</P>


wasnt to crazy with theend of the second one. i understand the move was sentimental and all but i was expecting an epic samari sword battle </P>

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:02 PM
<font color="#c0c0c0" face="Lucida Console" size="2"><font color="#000000"></font></font><div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"> <font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font>

That's a really good point by your friend.
</div>

byron
10-21-2009, 12:03 PM
wow im way off today. i should just stop.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfmfMBLZiM&amp;feature=related</P>


crank it up roll with it</P>

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:03 PM
<FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#c0c0c0 size=2><FONT color=#000000></FONT></FONT>
<DIV id=299 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</FONT>

That's a really good point by your friend.
</DIV>so a corner and a linebacker on one wr is called................................... double coverage i believe.

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:05 PM
wow im way off today. i should just stop.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfmfMBLZiM&amp;feature=related</P>


crank it up roll with it</P>lol tell me you burn old man......haha

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 12:05 PM
It's a play on Moreheads team name.

That went right over my head, never saw the movie either though. lol
Really ....it's my favoorite tarantino movie...get on that Mr. I ....
Maybe I will check it out. I like 4 Rooms and From Dusk til Dawn.
yea killbills great if you like ninja assasins and all that j***. </P>


*</P>


wasnt to crazy with the*end of the second one. i understand the move was sentimental and all but i was expecting an epic samari sword battle </P>

please don't spoil it for L. dezzzz.

byron
10-21-2009, 12:08 PM
wow im way off today. i should just stop.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfmfMBLZiM&amp;feature=related</P>


crank it up roll with it</P>lol tell me you burn old man......haha once upon a time

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:09 PM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
Eeeaaaasssssyyyyy Rodney
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:hTetbm9CnVzbRM:http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/832/4768_generated_GI-NaOtPqUKkA-6GAoL2vw_384x288__Dy4nbY%2Bpzk6mxJMJ1GHCQA.jpg&imgrefurl=http://movies.tvguide.com/super-troopers/135457&usg=__1Ti6meAw6XnZVAx5ERw-aMmZpN8=&h=288&w=384&sz=44&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=hTetbm9CnVzbRM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Btroopers%2Bcaptain%26gbv%3D2% 26hl%3Den)

Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season.* If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is.* I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys


i've seen 4 games this year which is most of the season.

thats cuz ur argument is that a possession WR means that a guy can't be the #1.

Coulda fooled Seattle who just spent #1 WR on a bigtime possession guy in housh.

Also by this theory your saying Amani Toomer was NEVER a #1 WR for us
LOL, way to misinterpret my point.... Never in my posts did I say a Posession guy couldnt be a #1 WR.*

What I DID say was that last season Ward was the clear cut #1 guy as well as being the posession guy while Holmes was more of the 'burner'.* This season Holmes is more so the #1 guy while Ward is more so a straight posession guy

Oh and this is exactly what my buddy in 'The Burgh' said, I just IMed him

<div id="279" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console">Who is their #1 WR right now</font></div><div id="280" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">thats a tough call we dont really have the prototype #1 WR, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">and its sorta a safty valve that gets open, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">its sorta a 1A and 1B tho
</font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"></font></div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(215, 51, 6);"><font color="#000000">:</font></span><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">still?</font>
</font><div id="295" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Well holmes has struggled to start the season</font><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> and <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ward just does his thing end of the game he some how ends up with like 6+ catches, but THIS season its Holmes
</font></div><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">its cause Ward doesnt get the coverage that he used to</font> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">rite???</font></font><div id="298" style="background-color: transparent;"> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font></div><div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">watch out for this Mike Wallace kid tho, </font> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">fastest guy on our squad an catches everything thrown towards him</font></div>

oh alrite, i thought thats what u were saying.

And waht do you base that comment off of that Ward is more of a possession guy. His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

But he says Holmes struggles to start the season but thats more than debatable.. its been his best start to a season hes ever had in receptions, yards, and tds. Excpet for 2007, he had 4 TDs within his first 6 games.

His point about routes over 15 yards isn't a very good one seeing as how Ward has more plays over 30 yards.

And again thats an ignorant comment to say that hes saying about seeing LBs in coverage alot, because that depends on the defense.

Again.. its SUPPOSE to be Holmes... but im sorry its not been. I would of said Holmes was suppose to be the #1 here, but hes not

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:09 PM
<font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000"></font></font>
<div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font>

That's a really good point by your friend.
</div>so a corner and a linebacker on one wr is called................................... double coverage i believe.But when only an LB is on one wr its called.............. Single Coverage, I believe, LOL

My buddy was also mentioning that Ward lines up in the Slot more often than in the past..... But I think his best point was that Big Ben hits who even the safety isnt covering not who ever the '#1 WR' is

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:12 PM
<FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#c0c0c0 size=2><FONT color=#000000></FONT></FONT>
<DIV id=299 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</FONT>

That's a really good point by your friend.
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so a corner and a linebacker on one wr is called................................... double coverage i believe.But when only an LB is on one wr its called.............. Single Coverage, I believe, LOL

My buddy was also mentioning that Ward lines up in the Slot more often than in the past..... But I think his best point was that Big Ben hits who even the safety isnt covering not who ever the '#1 WR' is
then whats the corner on ward doing????</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:13 PM
<font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000"></font></font>
<div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font>

That's a really good point by your friend.
</div>so a corner and a linebacker on one wr is called................................... double coverage i believe.But when only an LB is on one wr its called.............. Single Coverage, I believe, LOL

My buddy was also mentioning that Ward lines up in the Slot more often than in the past..... But I think his best point was that Big Ben hits who even the safety isnt covering not who ever the '#1 WR' is


again, Finnigan on Tenn and Tillman on Chi were all on Ward this season

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:14 PM
His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

Ok I think we have a second problem here, clearly your Definition of #1 receiver is different then mine, but I think ontop of that your definition of a "Possession guy" is different too.

Steve Smith, (our SS) is DEFINETELY a "Possession guy" IMHO...it's not always a bad thing to be a possession guy and I'm getting the impression you think it is.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:15 PM
His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

Ok I think we have a second problem here, clearly your Definition of #1 receiver is different then mine, but I think ontop of that your definition of a "Possession guy" is different too.

Steve Smith, (our SS) is DEFINETELY a "Possession guy" IMHO...it's not always a bad thing to be a possession guy and I'm getting the impression you think it is.

*

no i think you can be a possession type WR and still be a #1, which is something that it seems you think is not possible.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:17 PM
His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

Ok I think we have a second problem here, clearly your Definition of #1 receiver is different then mine, but I think ontop of that your definition of a "Possession guy" is different too.

Steve Smith, (our SS) is DEFINETELY a "Possession guy" IMHO...it's not always a bad thing to be a possession guy and I'm getting the impression you think it is.



no i think you can be a possession type WR and still be a #1, which is something that it seems you think is not possible.

I personally think they are separate types of WR's yes...both can be very "good" but I don't think you can really be both....they run different routes lol.

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:17 PM
wow im way off today. i should just stop.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfmfMBLZiM&amp;feature=related</P>


crank it up roll with it</P>


lol tell me you burn old man......haha once upon a time</P>


that means yes. i wonder if old man morehead does toolol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:19 PM
His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

Ok I think we have a second problem here, clearly your Definition of #1 receiver is different then mine, but I think ontop of that your definition of a "Possession guy" is different too.

Steve Smith, (our SS) is DEFINETELY a "Possession guy" IMHO...it's not always a bad thing to be a possession guy and I'm getting the impression you think it is.

*

no i think you can be a possession type WR and still be a #1, which is something that it seems you think is not possible.

I personally think they are separate types of WR's yes...both can be very "good" but I don't think you can really be both....they run different routes lol.


yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WR

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:21 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WR

I disagree, when it was toomer and hillard I would have said Hillard was our #1....

anyhow I tire of this conversation...

has the price for BJac lowered at all yet...can we work a trade so I can root for my favorite player harder and not worry if him scoring is making me lose [:P]

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:22 PM
wow im way off today. i should just stop.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfmfMBLZiM&feature=related</P>


crank it up roll with it</P>


lol tell me you burn old man......haha* once upon a time</P>


that means yes. i wonder if old man morehead does too*lol</P>

if u were at 10/11, u'd know

now u just live in the mystery of it all

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:23 PM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
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Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season. If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is. I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys


i've seen 4 games this year which is most of the season.

thats cuz ur argument is that a possession WR means that a guy can't be the #1.

Coulda fooled Seattle who just spent #1 WR on a bigtime possession guy in housh.

Also by this theory your saying Amani Toomer was NEVER a #1 WR for us
LOL, way to misinterpret my point.... Never in my posts did I say a Posession guy couldnt be a #1 WR.

What I DID say was that last season Ward was the clear cut #1 guy as well as being the posession guy while Holmes was more of the 'burner'. This season Holmes is more so the #1 guy while Ward is more so a straight posession guy

Oh and this is exactly what my buddy in 'The Burgh' said, I just IMed him

<div id="279" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console">Who is their #1 WR right now</font></div><div id="280" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">thats a tough call we dont really have the prototype #1 WR, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">and its sorta a safty valve that gets open, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">its sorta a 1A and 1B tho
</font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"></font></div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(215, 51, 6);"><font color="#000000">:</font></span><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">still?</font>
</font><div id="295" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Well holmes has struggled to start the season</font><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> and <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ward just does his thing end of the game he some how ends up with like 6+ catches, but THIS season its Holmes
</font></div><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">its cause Ward doesnt get the coverage that he used to</font> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">rite???</font></font><div id="298" style="background-color: transparent;"> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font></div><div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">watch out for this Mike Wallace kid tho, </font> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">fastest guy on our squad an catches everything thrown towards him</font></div>

oh alrite, i thought thats what u were saying.

And waht do you base that comment off of that Ward is more of a possession guy. His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

But he says Holmes struggles to start the season but thats more than debatable.. its been his best start to a season hes ever had in receptions, yards, and tds. Excpet for 2007, he had 4 TDs within his first 6 games.

His point about routes over 15 yards isn't a very good one seeing as how Ward has more plays over 30 yards.

And again thats an ignorant comment to say that hes saying about seeing LBs in coverage alot, because that depends on the defense.

Again.. its SUPPOSE to be Holmes... but im sorry its not been. I would of said Holmes was suppose to be the #1 here, but hes not

Honestly Im siding with him considering he lives in Pittsburgh, is a lifelong Steelers fan (lives and dies with em like we do with the Giants) and attends a TON of games..... Plain and simple he knows the Steelers better than we do (me, you, daven, WHO EVER) and you can throw every damned stat in the book my way, but Im taking the word of a TRUE Steelers fan over ANYONE else's word, just like he or a fan of any other team would if it came to The Giants cause theyre constantly embraced with the team.... We Arent


What do I base Ward being a 'posession guy' off of, well if you watch him he's the damned sterotypical, text book 'posession WR', just cause he has above average stats his whole career doesnt mean he cant be a posession WR

My boy said Holmes was struggling this season so far and thats true, dont be so head over heels with stats Matt, EVERYONE thought he'd be one of the best WRs in the league producing WAY more than he is at this moment, so yes I would consider that struggling, just because it is one of the more successful season starts he's had doesnt mean that it is up to what everyone had expected, the double coverage is something that he's gonna have to get used to cause right now its hindering his productivity

The point he made with the plays over 15 could easily be true, just becasue Ward has more receptions over 20yds (not by many) doesnt mean he's getting more routes over 20yds, he's just producing slightly more with them, probably cause he's facing single coverage on those routes, most teams expect Holmes to run the long routes he's obviously the quicker of the 2


Dont worry man, you can be wrong everyone is wrong once in a while, jsut dont drag it on and on

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:24 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WR

I disagree, when it was toomer and hillard I would have said Hillard was our #1....

anyhow I tire of this conversation...

has the price for BJac lowered at all yet...can we work a trade so I can root for my favorite player harder and not worry if him scoring is making me lose [:P]


well like i said, swiss cheese

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:25 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WR

I disagree, when it was toomer and hillard I would have said Hillard was our #1....

anyhow I tire of this conversation...

has the price for BJac lowered at all yet...can we work a trade so I can root for my favorite player harder and not worry if him scoring is making me lose [:P]


well like i said, swiss cheese

BJac yes no?

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:28 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:30 PM
So how bout some GIANTS Talk.....

How do you guys think we're gonna be against Ari's pass happy O???

Im still LIVID Osi did not a nair nutter against a backup LT in NO

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:30 PM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
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Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season.* If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is.* I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys


i've seen 4 games this year which is most of the season.

thats cuz ur argument is that a possession WR means that a guy can't be the #1.

Coulda fooled Seattle who just spent #1 WR on a bigtime possession guy in housh.

Also by this theory your saying Amani Toomer was NEVER a #1 WR for us
LOL, way to misinterpret my point.... Never in my posts did I say a Posession guy couldnt be a #1 WR.*

What I DID say was that last season Ward was the clear cut #1 guy as well as being the posession guy while Holmes was more of the 'burner'.* This season Holmes is more so the #1 guy while Ward is more so a straight posession guy

Oh and this is exactly what my buddy in 'The Burgh' said, I just IMed him

<div id="279" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console">Who is their #1 WR right now</font></div><div id="280" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">thats a tough call we dont really have the prototype #1 WR, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">and its sorta a safty valve that gets open, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">its sorta a 1A and 1B tho
</font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"></font></div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(215, 51, 6);"><font color="#000000">:</font></span><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">still?</font>
</font><div id="295" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Well holmes has struggled to start the season</font><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> and <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ward just does his thing end of the game he some how ends up with like 6+ catches, but THIS season its Holmes
</font></div><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">its cause Ward doesnt get the coverage that he used to</font> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">rite???</font></font><div id="298" style="background-color: transparent;"> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font></div><div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">watch out for this Mike Wallace kid tho, </font> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">fastest guy on our squad an catches everything thrown towards him</font></div>

oh alrite, i thought thats what u were saying.

And waht do you base that comment off of that Ward is more of a possession guy. His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

But he says Holmes struggles to start the season but thats more than debatable.. its been his best start to a season hes ever had in receptions, yards, and tds. Excpet for 2007, he had 4 TDs within his first 6 games.

His point about routes over 15 yards isn't a very good one seeing as how Ward has more plays over 30 yards.

And again thats an ignorant comment to say that hes saying about seeing LBs in coverage alot, because that depends on the defense.

Again.. its SUPPOSE to be Holmes... but im sorry its not been. I would of said Holmes was suppose to be the #1 here, but hes not

Honestly Im siding with him considering he lives in Pittsburgh, is a lifelong Steelers fan (lives and dies with em like we do with the Giants) and attends a TON of games..... Plain and simple he knows the Steelers better than we do (me, you, daven, WHO EVER) and you can throw every damned stat in the book my way, but Im taking the word of a TRUE Steelers fan over ANYONE else's word, just like he or a fan of any other team would if it came to The Giants cause theyre constantly embraced with the team.... We Arent


What do I base Ward being a 'posession guy' off of, well if you watch him he's the damned sterotypical, text book 'posession WR', just cause he has above average stats his whole career doesnt mean he cant be a posession WR

My boy said Holmes was struggling this season so far and thats true, dont be so head over heels with stats Matt, EVERYONE thought he'd be one of the best WRs in the league producing WAY more than he is at this moment, so yes I would consider that struggling, just because it is one of the more successful season starts he's had doesnt mean that it is up to what everyone had expected, the double coverage is something that he's gonna have to get used to cause right now its hindering his productivity

The point he made with the plays over 15 could easily be true, just becasue Ward has more receptions over 20yds (not by many) doesnt mean he's getting more routes over 20yds, he's just producing slightly more with them, probably cause he's facing single coverage on those routes, most teams expect Holmes to run the long routes he's obviously the quicker of the 2


Dont worry man, you can be wrong everyone is wrong once in a while, jsut dont drag it on and on


lol i don't care where he lives, i know plenty of NY fans that live 5 minutes from the stadium that like football, follow football, and still dont' know their *** from their elbow.

This is the thing, its obvious in just how you word it: "he knows the steelers better than we do". That means nothing. He gets #1 coverage with top CB and double teams and has the stats to back it up.

And this is what I mean by jumping to conclusions like i did before about Toomer. You've basically just said that since hes a possession WR hes not the #1 there.

Im sorry but when somebody gets the attention Ward does and puts up the numbers that he does, it makes him the #1. I know Holmes was SUPPOSE to be the number one this year, but he hasn't been.

False on the single coverage thing because first off if a team is a zone team, like SD and Clev there is no single coverage, there is zone coverage. And again I have seen single coverage on Ward this year many times, but not with LBs alot, but with #1 CBs.

And lets be honest, regardless if u think Ward is a #1 WR or not, you KNOW that NO team is putting a LB on him, unless Pitt game plans and motions Ward and gets mismatches, which is more than likely what ur friend is seeing.

I've yet to have any points thrown at me to prove me wrong. Everybody is saying "BECAUSE HE IS!"... but Ward gets the coverage, puts the numbers out, and just because he is more of a possession than a deep ball guy doesn't prove a #1 WR either.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:32 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinion

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:33 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WR

I disagree, when it was toomer and hillard I would have said Hillard was our #1....

anyhow I tire of this conversation...

has the price for BJac lowered at all yet...can we work a trade so I can root for my favorite player harder and not worry if him scoring is making me lose [:P]


well like i said, swiss cheese

BJac yes no?




no for Willie Parker and Julius Jones... to be honest i think im gonna stay pat... im lookin to trade Cotchery & Walter for a WR because Felix is back and my flex is secure i think

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:33 PM
So how bout some GIANTS Talk.....

How do you guys think we're gonna be against Ari's pass happy O???

Im still LIVID Osi did not a nair nutter against a backup LT in NO


im worried as ****... if Breez - Colsten - Moore could tear us up, im very nervous about Fitz- Boldin- Warner


especially cuz they are getting hot and Boldin is due for some TDs

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:38 PM
wow im way off today. i should just stop.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfmfMBLZiM&amp;feature=related</P>


crank it up roll with it</P>


lol tell me you burn old man......haha once upon a time</P>


that means yes. i wonder if old man morehead does toolol</P> if u were at 10/11, u'd know now u just live in the mystery of it allwell i know he wasnt blazing in front of his nephew.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:38 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinion

I'm likely just gonna drop Parker to tell you the truth and don't have Jones on my Team.

I'm pushing Caddy and Stewart, anyone can be traded but Thomas/Colsten and Benson are all clearly worth more then Bjac....that said with Bjac+ maybe can work something.

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:39 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy... thats the type of WRs they are... whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story. Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WR

I disagree, when it was toomer and hillard I would have said Hillard was our #1....

anyhow I tire of this conversation...

has the price for BJac lowered at all yet...can we work a trade so I can root for my favorite player harder and not worry if him scoring is making me lose [:P]
how the hell was hillard number one???

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:41 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinion

I'm likely just gonna drop Parker to tell you the truth and don't have Jones on my Team.

I'm pushing Caddy and Stewart, anyone can be traded but Thomas/Colsten and Benson are all clearly worth more then Bjac....that said with Bjac+ maybe can work something.


BJ, Cotchery, Walter

4

Benson & Colsten

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:42 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy... thats the type of WRs they are... whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story. Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WR

I disagree, when it was toomer and hillard I would have said Hillard was our #1....

anyhow I tire of this conversation...

has the price for BJac lowered at all yet...can we work a trade so I can root for my favorite player harder and not worry if him scoring is making me lose [:P]
how the hell was hillard number one???

because it fits his argument, if it didn't he would of admitted Toomer was our #1

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:42 PM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
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Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season. If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is. I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys


i've seen 4 games this year which is most of the season.

thats cuz ur argument is that a possession WR means that a guy can't be the #1.

Coulda fooled Seattle who just spent #1 WR on a bigtime possession guy in housh.

Also by this theory your saying Amani Toomer was NEVER a #1 WR for us
LOL, way to misinterpret my point.... Never in my posts did I say a Posession guy couldnt be a #1 WR.

What I DID say was that last season Ward was the clear cut #1 guy as well as being the posession guy while Holmes was more of the 'burner'. This season Holmes is more so the #1 guy while Ward is more so a straight posession guy

Oh and this is exactly what my buddy in 'The Burgh' said, I just IMed him

<div id="279" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console">Who is their #1 WR right now</font></div><div id="280" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">thats a tough call we dont really have the prototype #1 WR, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">and its sorta a safty valve that gets open, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">its sorta a 1A and 1B tho
</font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"></font></div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(215, 51, 6);"><font color="#000000">:</font></span><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">still?</font>
</font><div id="295" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Well holmes has struggled to start the season</font><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> and <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ward just does his thing end of the game he some how ends up with like 6+ catches, but THIS season its Holmes
</font></div><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">its cause Ward doesnt get the coverage that he used to</font> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">rite???</font></font><div id="298" style="background-color: transparent;"> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font></div><div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">watch out for this Mike Wallace kid tho, </font> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">fastest guy on our squad an catches everything thrown towards him</font></div>

oh alrite, i thought thats what u were saying.

And waht do you base that comment off of that Ward is more of a possession guy. His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

But he says Holmes struggles to start the season but thats more than debatable.. its been his best start to a season hes ever had in receptions, yards, and tds. Excpet for 2007, he had 4 TDs within his first 6 games.

His point about routes over 15 yards isn't a very good one seeing as how Ward has more plays over 30 yards.

And again thats an ignorant comment to say that hes saying about seeing LBs in coverage alot, because that depends on the defense.

Again.. its SUPPOSE to be Holmes... but im sorry its not been. I would of said Holmes was suppose to be the #1 here, but hes not

Honestly Im siding with him considering he lives in Pittsburgh, is a lifelong Steelers fan (lives and dies with em like we do with the Giants) and attends a TON of games..... Plain and simple he knows the Steelers better than we do (me, you, daven, WHO EVER) and you can throw every damned stat in the book my way, but Im taking the word of a TRUE Steelers fan over ANYONE else's word, just like he or a fan of any other team would if it came to The Giants cause theyre constantly embraced with the team.... We Arent


What do I base Ward being a 'posession guy' off of, well if you watch him he's the damned sterotypical, text book 'posession WR', just cause he has above average stats his whole career doesnt mean he cant be a posession WR

My boy said Holmes was struggling this season so far and thats true, dont be so head over heels with stats Matt, EVERYONE thought he'd be one of the best WRs in the league producing WAY more than he is at this moment, so yes I would consider that struggling, just because it is one of the more successful season starts he's had doesnt mean that it is up to what everyone had expected, the double coverage is something that he's gonna have to get used to cause right now its hindering his productivity

The point he made with the plays over 15 could easily be true, just becasue Ward has more receptions over 20yds (not by many) doesnt mean he's getting more routes over 20yds, he's just producing slightly more with them, probably cause he's facing single coverage on those routes, most teams expect Holmes to run the long routes he's obviously the quicker of the 2


Dont worry man, you can be wrong everyone is wrong once in a while, jsut dont drag it on and on


lol i don't care where he lives, i know plenty of NY fans that live 5 minutes from the stadium that like football, follow football, and still dont' know their *** from their elbow.

This is the thing, its obvious in just how you word it: "he knows the steelers better than we do". That means nothing. He gets #1 coverage with top CB and double teams and has the stats to back it up.

And this is what I mean by jumping to conclusions like i did before about Toomer. You've basically just said that since hes a possession WR hes not the #1 there.

Im sorry but when somebody gets the attention Ward does and puts up the numbers that he does, it makes him the #1. I know Holmes was SUPPOSE to be the number one this year, but he hasn't been.

False on the single coverage thing because first off if a team is a zone team, like SD and Clev there is no single coverage, there is zone coverage. And again I have seen single coverage on Ward this year many times, but not with LBs alot, but with #1 CBs.

And lets be honest, regardless if u think Ward is a #1 WR or not, you KNOW that NO team is putting a LB on him, unless Pitt game plans and motions Ward and gets mismatches, which is more than likely what ur friend is seeing.

I've yet to have any points thrown at me to prove me wrong. Everybody is saying "BECAUSE HE IS!"... but Ward gets the coverage, puts the numbers out, and just because he is more of a possession than a deep ball guy doesn't prove a #1 WR either.
Well not only does he live in Pittsburgh, I said he is a die hard Steelers fan thats been a fan his whole life and follows the team like we do, its like you're doing selective reading

And for the UMTEENTH Time I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANT BE A #1 WR, I feel like I gotta say that every post, cause I said Hines WAS their #1 like Amani was ours for a while, BOTH Posession guys but both #1's

Ward has put up killer numbers his whole career and this year he's putting up great numbers but that doesnt make him the #1 WR this season

Of course no team PLANS on putting a LB on a WR but like you said there are ways to get mismatches, I have seen single coverage on Ward by CBs as well but more times than not its the teams #2 CB or even Nickelback (which is an OBVIOUS poor decision)

You can keep saying that Ward gets the coverage but he really doesnt he sure as hell doesnt get the coverage that he USED to get, and the only point that holds water is he has better stats but thats a nice way to interpret who's who, but by watching the games you get a different vibe, Santonio is drawing double coverage from a Safety over the top 90% of the time, Ward gets it every so often but not nearly as often as Smokey Holmes

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:42 PM
So how bout some GIANTS Talk.....

How do you guys think we're gonna be against Ari's pass happy O???

Im still LIVID Osi did not a nair nutter against a backup LT in NO
if we ****in blitz we should be alright.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:45 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinion

I'm likely just gonna drop Parker to tell you the truth and don't have Jones on my Team.

I'm pushing Caddy and Stewart, anyone can be traded but Thomas/Colsten and Benson are all clearly worth more then Bjac....that said with Bjac+ maybe can work something.


BJ, Cotchery, Walter

4

Benson &amp; Colsten

Benson is the 7th best RB right now matt......

Colsten is so much better then Cotchery its not even funny with Edwards on his team and Walter is a throw away, he'd go straight to Free Agency, be somewhat real here...I'm willing to over pay, but that trade wouldn't have a shot in hell making it through even if I did accept it.

how about Stewart AND Caddy for Jacobs.

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:45 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinionHOLY **** MATT I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR........ ONCE AGAIN I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR

I agreed that one guy is a 'posession' and the other is a 'deep ball' guy

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:47 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinionHOLY **** MATT I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR........ ONCE AGAIN I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR

I agreed that one guy is a 'posession' and the other is a 'deep ball' guy


I don't think it's possible for a possession WR to be considered the #1 guy....but that's just me .... anyhow I'm more interested in getting Bjac for an overpriced but somewhat "Sane" price...atm.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:47 PM
holmes a #1?

maybe next year

what are you talking about, he's been a #1 for the last 2 years and is this year too.
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Holmes was the #2 option in Pitt last season, but he was slowly but steadily becoming the #1 option..... For big plays at least, cause he has more speed and agility than Ward which allowed him to spread the field with more ease..... Saying he was the #1 for the last 2yrs is a bit much tho


hines ward has more big plays not only this year but also 6-5 on plays over 30 yards last year...

again, i think u guys just have these preconceived notions of what Holmes and Ward was suppose to be doing this year and waht they are actually doing..

Lando brought up the point that "well how come Holmes was drafted before Ward in fantasy:, well because I too even thought taht Ward would of slowed down this year and Holmes would of came into his own, but nothing has changed from last year except Ward looks better

LOL, well stats say one thing and when you actually watch the games it says another

Watching 1 or 2 Steeler games a season wont give you the same view as watching the majority of the season.* If you watch some games we play it may look like Manningham is our #1 guy but others will look like Smith is.* I dunno how many Steeler games you watch but I watch about 90% of them over the last few seasons, my local sports bar has the Sunday Ticket and a group of 6-8 Steeler fans, so we always catch their games as long as it isnt on during the Giants and Hines just isnt the #1 guy, he's the hands down Posession guy, but not the '#1 WR' tag that everyone trying to tack on these guys


i've seen 4 games this year which is most of the season.

thats cuz ur argument is that a possession WR means that a guy can't be the #1.

Coulda fooled Seattle who just spent #1 WR on a bigtime possession guy in housh.

Also by this theory your saying Amani Toomer was NEVER a #1 WR for us
LOL, way to misinterpret my point.... Never in my posts did I say a Posession guy couldnt be a #1 WR.*

What I DID say was that last season Ward was the clear cut #1 guy as well as being the posession guy while Holmes was more of the 'burner'.* This season Holmes is more so the #1 guy while Ward is more so a straight posession guy

Oh and this is exactly what my buddy in 'The Burgh' said, I just IMed him

<div id="279" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console">Who is their #1 WR right now</font></div><div id="280" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">thats a tough call we dont really have the prototype #1 WR, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">and its sorta a safty valve that gets open, </font><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">its sorta a 1A and 1B tho
</font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"></font></div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(215, 51, 6);"><font color="#000000">:</font></span><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">still?</font>
</font><div id="295" style="background-color: transparent;"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Well holmes has struggled to start the season</font><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span> and <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ward just does his thing end of the game he some how ends up with like 6+ catches, but THIS season its Holmes
</font></div><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">its cause Ward doesnt get the coverage that he used to</font> </font><font color="#c0c0c0" size="2" face="Lucida Console"><font color="#000000">rite???</font></font><div id="298" style="background-color: transparent;"> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">ya your prob right ward doesnt run too many routes over like 15yrds either so hes seein a lot of linebacker coverage</font></div><div id="299" style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(15, 5, 149);"></span><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">watch out for this Mike Wallace kid tho, </font> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">fastest guy on our squad an catches everything thrown towards him</font></div>

oh alrite, i thought thats what u were saying.

And waht do you base that comment off of that Ward is more of a possession guy. His stats say otherwise, his effect on games say otherwise, and the coverages he sees says otherwise.

But he says Holmes struggles to start the season but thats more than debatable.. its been his best start to a season hes ever had in receptions, yards, and tds. Excpet for 2007, he had 4 TDs within his first 6 games.

His point about routes over 15 yards isn't a very good one seeing as how Ward has more plays over 30 yards.

And again thats an ignorant comment to say that hes saying about seeing LBs in coverage alot, because that depends on the defense.

Again.. its SUPPOSE to be Holmes... but im sorry its not been. I would of said Holmes was suppose to be the #1 here, but hes not

Honestly Im siding with him considering he lives in Pittsburgh, is a lifelong Steelers fan (lives and dies with em like we do with the Giants) and attends a TON of games..... Plain and simple he knows the Steelers better than we do (me, you, daven, WHO EVER) and you can throw every damned stat in the book my way, but Im taking the word of a TRUE Steelers fan over ANYONE else's word, just like he or a fan of any other team would if it came to The Giants cause theyre constantly embraced with the team.... We Arent


What do I base Ward being a 'posession guy' off of, well if you watch him he's the damned sterotypical, text book 'posession WR', just cause he has above average stats his whole career doesnt mean he cant be a posession WR

My boy said Holmes was struggling this season so far and thats true, dont be so head over heels with stats Matt, EVERYONE thought he'd be one of the best WRs in the league producing WAY more than he is at this moment, so yes I would consider that struggling, just because it is one of the more successful season starts he's had doesnt mean that it is up to what everyone had expected, the double coverage is something that he's gonna have to get used to cause right now its hindering his productivity

The point he made with the plays over 15 could easily be true, just becasue Ward has more receptions over 20yds (not by many) doesnt mean he's getting more routes over 20yds, he's just producing slightly more with them, probably cause he's facing single coverage on those routes, most teams expect Holmes to run the long routes he's obviously the quicker of the 2


Dont worry man, you can be wrong everyone is wrong once in a while, jsut dont drag it on and on


lol i don't care where he lives, i know plenty of NY fans that live 5 minutes from the stadium that like football, follow football, and still dont' know their *** from their elbow.

This is the thing, its obvious in just how you word it: "he knows the steelers better than we do". That means nothing. He gets #1 coverage with top CB and double teams and has the stats to back it up.

And this is what I mean by jumping to conclusions like i did before about Toomer. You've basically just said that since hes a possession WR hes not the #1 there.

Im sorry but when somebody gets the attention Ward does and puts up the numbers that he does, it makes him the #1. I know Holmes was SUPPOSE to be the number one this year, but he hasn't been.

False on the single coverage thing because first off if a team is a zone team, like SD and Clev there is no single coverage, there is zone coverage. And again I have seen single coverage on Ward this year many times, but not with LBs alot, but with #1 CBs.

And lets be honest, regardless if u think Ward is a #1 WR or not, you KNOW that NO team is putting a LB on him, unless Pitt game plans and motions Ward and gets mismatches, which is more than likely what ur friend is seeing.

I've yet to have any points thrown at me to prove me wrong. Everybody is saying "BECAUSE HE IS!"... but Ward gets the coverage, puts the numbers out, and just because he is more of a possession than a deep ball guy doesn't prove a #1 WR either.
Well not only does he live in Pittsburgh, I said he is a die hard Steelers fan thats been a fan his whole life and follows the team like we do, its like you're doing selective reading

And for the UMTEENTH Time I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANT BE A #1 WR, I feel like I gotta say that every post, cause I said Hines WAS their #1 like Amani was ours for a while, BOTH Posession guys but both #1's

Ward has put up killer numbers his whole career and this year he's putting up great numbers but that doesnt make him the #1 WR this season

Of course no team PLANS on putting a LB on a WR but like you said there are ways to get mismatches, I have seen single coverage on Ward by CBs as well but more times than not its the teams #2 CB or even Nickelback (which is an OBVIOUS poor decision)

You can keep saying that Ward gets the coverage but he really doesnt he sure as hell doesnt get the coverage that he USED to get, and the only point that holds water is he has better stats but thats a nice way to interpret who's who, but by watching the games you get a different vibe, Santonio is drawing double coverage from a Safety over the top 90% of the time, Ward gets it every so often but not nearly as often as Smokey Holmes


well i've seen 3.5 games...

SD and Clev are zone defenses, which also means that Holmes isn't getting #1 CB treament either

but i DID see Pitt vs Tenn and Chi and Tillman AND Finnigan were on Ward most of the game... those are the #1s of those teams.

and so whats the distinction that makes Holmes the #1? I dont get it. He doesn't get a significant attention in coverage (in comparison to Ward) and doesn't have ANY numbers better than Ward...

My theory is that we all thought Holmes would of taken a step up while Ward would of took a step back, but that didn't happen. You can't just SAY somebody is the #1 WR because you feel they have the size or speed to be, you HAVE to play like a #1... Ward is doing that

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:50 PM
well i've seen 3.5 games...

SD and Clev are zone defenses, which also means that Holmes isn't getting #1 CB treament either

but i DID see Pitt vs Tenn and Chi and Tillman AND Finnigan were on Ward most of the game... those are the #1s of those teams.

and so whats the distinction that makes Holmes the #1? I dont get it. He doesn't get a significant attention in coverage (in comparison to Ward) and doesn't have ANY numbers better than Ward...

My theory is that we all thought Holmes would of taken a step up while Ward would of took a step back, but that didn't happen. You can't just SAY somebody is the #1 WR because you feel they have the size or speed to be, you HAVE to play like a #1... Ward is doing that

I saw Finnigan all over Holmes that game, I think you are dismissing the amount of coverage he receives because it fits "Your" argument.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:50 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinionHOLY **** MATT I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR........ ONCE AGAIN I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR

I agreed that one guy is a 'posession' and the other is a 'deep ball' guy


i know ur saying that, but the way u worded that other post seemed contradicting so thats why i said its confusing..

you've said Holmes has become the #1 WR there this year and my point is that the stats and opposing defenses are not agreeing with that...

expectations mean nothing, its the effect you have on the game itself

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:51 PM
So how bout some GIANTS Talk.....

How do you guys think we're gonna be against Ari's pass happy O???

Im still LIVID Osi did not a nair nutter against a backup LT in NO


im worried as ****... if Breez - Colsten - Moore could tear us up, im very nervous about Fitz- Boldin- Warner


especially cuz they are getting hot and Boldin is due for some TDsAnd Id rather go against the Saints O-Line than the Cards'..... Well after last week we made the Saints line look like the Iron Curtain it cant be worse, well unless after their Oline knocks us down they sit on us, LOL

We REALLY Need AR-31 and Boley back, the middle of our pass D is non-existant, hell NONE of our pass D was existant last game..... I dunno man, I heard word of Pappy Coughlin thinkin of moving T2 to FS when Ross gets back, which would be interesting

Dockery, I wanna smack your half retarted lookin *** for disgraceful coverage..... Paging Bruce Johnson, Paging Bruce Johnson

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 12:51 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinion

I'm likely just gonna drop Parker to tell you the truth and don't have Jones on my Team.

I'm pushing Caddy and Stewart, anyone can be traded but Thomas/Colsten and Benson are all clearly worth more then Bjac....that said with Bjac+ maybe can work something.


BJ, Cotchery, Walter

4

Benson & Colsten

Benson is the 7th best RB right now matt......

Colsten is so much better then Cotchery its not even funny with Edwards on his team and Walter is a throw away, he'd go straight to Free Agency, be somewhat real here...I'm willing to over pay, but that trade wouldn't have a shot in hell making it through even if I did accept it.

how about Stewart AND Caddy for Jacobs.


lol dude i've said no to that trade 4 times already

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 12:52 PM
soo many words, i think my brains bleeding

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 12:55 PM
lol dude i've said no to that trade 4 times already

LOL sorry, I guess I keep going there because it's a good trade for both of us.

Kase-1
10-21-2009, 12:56 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinionHOLY **** MATT I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR........ ONCE AGAIN I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR

I agreed that one guy is a 'posession' and the other is a 'deep ball' guy


i know ur saying that, but the way u worded that other post seemed contradicting so thats why i said its confusing..

you've said Holmes has become the #1 WR there this year and my point is that the stats and opposing defenses are not agreeing with that...

expectations mean nothing, its the effect you have on the game itselfI dunno I guess Me, Daven and my buddy from Pittsburgh are watching different games than you cause we're seeing more coverage on Holmes especially by the teams #1 CB, and usually when Ward would be getting double teamed it wasnt the CB and S, it was the CB and LB

Whatever man, you think one thing I think another and it doesnt look like either of us are changing our opinions

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:00 PM
Mike Bell
Caddy
Stewart
Hester
Manningham

any combo of those players (I'll even go up to 3 of em) for Jacobs Matt....

and FYI...Manningham and Stewart both have MORE Pts then Jacobs thus far this season.

Bell Hester and Stewart are all within 6 pts of him.

Personally I think you should take Caddy and Manningham, because Manningham could easily start over Collie and Caddy and Jacobs are about the same.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:04 PM
Or Matt what about this one....

Pierre Thomas AND Mike Bell AND Colsten...

For Jacobs and Andre Johnson.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:05 PM
well i've seen 3.5 games...

SD and Clev are zone defenses, which also means that Holmes isn't getting #1 CB treament either

but i DID see Pitt vs Tenn and Chi and Tillman AND Finnigan were on Ward most of the game... those are the #1s of those teams.

and so whats the distinction that makes Holmes the #1? I dont get it. He doesn't get a significant attention in coverage (in comparison to Ward) and doesn't have ANY numbers better than Ward...

My theory is that we all thought Holmes would of taken a step up while Ward would of took a step back, but that didn't happen. You can't just SAY somebody is the #1 WR because you feel they have the size or speed to be, you HAVE to play like a #1... Ward is doing that

I saw Finnigan all over Holmes that game, I think you are dismissing the amount of coverage he receives because it fits "Your" argument.


http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&source=hp&q=steelers%20titans%20opener&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#

well your wrong and i have small proof of it... look at the highlights...

-Big Bens first INT attempted to Holmes, #20 Nick Harper is on him

- Ben to Holmes for the TD - no finnegan on him.

- Another short pass to Holmes, Harper on him

- Holmes got another grab behind linebackers with no Finnigan on them (they played alot of zone this game)

- Another 12 yard game wiht a LB on him (i guess Ward isn't the only one benefitting from the "LB coverage")

- Hines Ward big play to the goalline where he fumbled Finnegan was on him.

-Hines Ward in OT catch, had Harper and Fuller combo.

-Hines second catch in OT, they are in a zone with a blitz

-Holmes catch has Harper on him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w38s1bSDZc4

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:05 PM
Or Matt what about this one....

Pierre Thomas AND Mike Bell AND Colsten...

For Jacobs and Andre Johnson.


i'd rather have Johnson over Colsten and Jacobs over Thomas

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:06 PM
Mike Bell
Caddy
Stewart
Hester
Manningham

any combo of those players (I'll even go up to 3 of em) for Jacobs Matt....

and FYI...Manningham and Stewart both have MORE Pts then Jacobs thus far this season.

Bell Hester and Stewart are all within 6 pts of him.

Personally I think you should take Caddy and Manningham, because Manningham could easily start over Collie and Caddy and Jacobs are about the same.


i dont think we're gonna work it out to be honest.. i have no interest in those guys besides Manningham and the only other back i like is benson (if we're talking BJ).

Kevin Walter 4 Caddy?

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:07 PM
yes ur right. A deep ball guy and a possession guy...

thats the type of WRs they are...

whether they are the #1 WR for their team is a different story.

Before Plax, Toomer was our #1 and he was ALWAYS a possession WRWOW, thats the 1st thing I agree with, this whole debate, LOL

but if u agree with that then i don't get ur point about him being more of a possession guy and not being the #1 lol

ur confusing me with ur opinionHOLY **** MATT I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR........ ONCE AGAIN I NEVER SAID A POSESSION WR CANNOT BE A #1 WR

I agreed that one guy is a 'posession' and the other is a 'deep ball' guy


i know ur saying that, but the way u worded that other post seemed contradicting so thats why i said its confusing..

you've said Holmes has become the #1 WR there this year and my point is that the stats and opposing defenses are not agreeing with that...

expectations mean nothing, its the effect you have on the game itselfI dunno I guess Me, Daven and my buddy from Pittsburgh are watching different games than you cause we're seeing more coverage on Holmes especially by the teams #1 CB, and usually when Ward would be getting double teamed it wasnt the CB and S, it was the CB and LB

Whatever man, you think one thing I think another and it doesnt look like either of us are changing our opinions


i guess u are then lol go look at the highlights video link i just posted, i just proved it... and Holmes got ALOT more balls in LB area in the Titans game specifically....

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:08 PM
Jacobs over Thomas

then Benson instead.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:10 PM
i dont think we're gonna work it out to be honest.. i have no interest in those guys besides Manningham and the only other back i like is benson (if we're talking BJ).

Kevin Walter 4 Caddy?

Walter would literally be dropped Matt.. Caddy could START for your team over Jamal Lewis.

who am I supposed to start Walter over? Marshall or Colsten?

Manningham and Hester are both better and they are on my Bench.

Benson+Colsten for Andre Johnson+Jacobs.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:16 PM
na i'd even consider benson and bj a push... he finally looked good last week, we were just getting squashed so we avoided ther un... I would consider Benson a half step down on Jacobs...

would still rather have Andre over Colsten.


if u change Andre to Walter and Cotchery i'll do it

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:18 PM
na i'd even consider benson and bj a push... he finally looked good last week, we were just getting squashed so we avoided ther un... I would consider Benson a half step down on Jacobs...

would still rather have Andre over Colsten.


if u change Andre to Walter and Cotchery i'll do it

Walter would be DROPPED to Free Agency Matt, cotchery would never start...I understand you want Johnson over Colsten, so do I...but you should want Benson over Jacobs....so that's why its a fair deal...

what if I throw in Manningham....which is a "Serious" throw in instead of like Walter whose supposed to be a Free Agent.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:19 PM
i dont think we're gonna work it out to be honest.. i have no interest in those guys besides Manningham and the only other back i like is benson (if we're talking BJ).

Kevin Walter 4 Caddy?

Walter would literally be dropped Matt.. Caddy could START for your team over Jamal Lewis.

who am I supposed to start Walter over? Marshall or Colsten?

Manningham and Hester are both better and they are on my Bench.

Benson+Colsten for Andre Johnson+Jacobs.




yea but felix will be in as soon as they say hes playing and honestly Caddy is def not better than felix, maybe even

ibleedblue85
10-21-2009, 01:22 PM
alrightyy boys. im on my way out for the day. got the New Jersey Apartment Association Awards dinner this evening so i get to go nap for a bit then get all beautified. ill catch ya guys tomorrow! [;)]

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:23 PM
i dont think we're gonna work it out to be honest.. i have no interest in those guys besides Manningham and the only other back i like is benson (if we're talking BJ).

Kevin Walter 4 Caddy?

Walter would literally be dropped Matt.. Caddy could START for your team over Jamal Lewis.

who am I supposed to start Walter over? Marshall or Colsten?

Manningham and Hester are both better and they are on my Bench.

Benson+Colsten for Andre Johnson+Jacobs.




yea but felix will be in as soon as they say hes playing and honestly Caddy is def not better than felix, maybe even

Benson+Colsten+Manningham for Andre Johnson+Jacobs

that's ******edly good for you (I'm sure everyone here will agree that it is, It might even get vetoed) but I want my Favorite player.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:28 PM
Pitt vs Chi
again can only go off highlights

- First reception to Holmes, Tillman was on Heath Miller? That was weird

-First play of 3rd quarter on a Mendenhall run, TIllman is on Holmes

- Big Ben's rushing TD, Tillman is on Ward in redzone


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVWdTN2vTZE

patsrule666
10-21-2009, 01:28 PM
Daven- what time exactly would you be releasing Willie???

shocknaweny
10-21-2009, 01:28 PM
So how bout some GIANTS Talk.....

How do you guys think we're gonna be against Ari's pass happy O???

Im <FONT size=4>still LIVID Osi did not a nair nutter against a backup LT</FONT> in NO
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I'm pissed @ Osi too Kase !</P>


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hopefully Boldin is OUT with thta ankle....I dunno I think we'll be ok but that's what I thought last week too though....so I dunno.</P>


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bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 01:29 PM
Benson+Colsten+Manningham for Andre Johnson+Jacobs

that's ******edly good for you (I'm sure everyone here will agree that it is, It might even get vetoed) but I want my Favorite player.

Bet your *** that would get vetoed. That is not close to fair. Jacobs sucks compared to Benson and both those WR's are putting up comparable numbers.

Johnson and Jacobs for Benson and Colsten is perfect. Why throw someone else in?

Unless Matt gives you Walter or Cotchery, then it's fair...You are giving Manningham for nothing.

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:29 PM
i dont think we're gonna work it out to be honest.. i have no interest in those guys besides Manningham and the only other back i like is benson (if we're talking BJ).

Kevin Walter 4 Caddy?

Walter would literally be dropped Matt.. Caddy could START for your team over Jamal Lewis.

who am I supposed to start Walter over? Marshall or Colsten?

Manningham and Hester are both better and they are on my Bench.

Benson+Colsten for Andre Johnson+Jacobs.




yea but felix will be in as soon as they say hes playing and honestly Caddy is def not better than felix, maybe even

Benson+Colsten+Manningham for Andre Johnson+Jacobs

that's ******edly good for you (I'm sure everyone here will agree that it is, It might even get vetoed) but I want my Favorite player.


hmmm.. i will have to think about that

MattMeyerBud
10-21-2009, 01:34 PM
Benson+Colsten+Manningham for Andre Johnson+Jacobs

that's ******edly good for you (I'm sure everyone here will agree that it is, It might even get vetoed) but I want my Favorite player.

Bet your *** that would get vetoed. That is not close to fair. Jacobs sucks compared to Benson and both those WR's are putting up comparable numbers.

Johnson and Jacobs for Benson and Colsten is perfect. Why throw someone else in?


because i wouldn't do it.. Andre and Colsten are not equal

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:37 PM
Johnson and Jacobs for Benson and Colsten is perfect. Why throw someone else in?

Because Matt's being stubborn and I really want my favorite player.

DavenIII
10-21-2009, 01:39 PM
Daven- what time exactly would you be releasing Willie???

whenever I find someone better in Free Agency which could happen at anytime....

Matt you might wanna throw me a bone like Walter or something just so it doesn't get vetoed..

bigblue4417
10-21-2009, 01:39 PM
Johnson and Jacobs for Benson and Colsten is perfect. Why throw someone else in?

Because Matt's being stubborn and I really want my favorite player.

I know...He values his players very highly and I can respect that. I don't see you guys getting a deal done.

dezzzR
10-21-2009, 01:40 PM
alrightyy boys. im on my way out for the day. got the New Jersey Apartment Association Awards dinner this evening so i get to go nap for a bit then get all beautified. ill catch ya guys tomorrow! [;)]</P>


the word nap is heavenly..........</P>