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MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 10:36 AM
**** that dude... im disgusted to be a giants fan right now...

if we're a losing team, we're a losing team... we were just embarressed. I feel like an Oakland Raider fan
</p>


What, did you become a Giants fan in like 2000 or something? Forgot what it's like to lose? lol
it's not the end of the world. People get worked up because they most likely talk alot of **** to other people, and then when our team fails to deliver, you have to deal with the backlash. lol</p>




Since i've been alive (or consciously remember), Giants have never had a team this good, fail this miserably when it counted. Like I said this wasn't just losing, this was embarressing.
</p>


I guess I'm with you. Too many good players to lose this badly the last 11 games. 5 out of those 11 they gave up more than 40 points.</p>


At seasons end, I can't say with confidence that we could beat anybody.</p>

it really is gonna take a while to get over this debacle... unless Gilbride is gone... then i'll feel like we are going in the right direction...

as blondie said midway thru the third quarter on Sunday: "Look at the bright side, we're an hour away from the offseason"

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 10:37 AM
just an FYI- nicks is gross. i love him. look at this numbers on the season. they are pretty sick. especially when you take4 things into account.</p>


#1. going into this season the entire giants WR debacle.</p>


#2. he missed atleast 2 full games due to injury early in the season.</p>


#3 he wasnt a "starter" until the last 3-4 weeks of the season. (against philly i believe) so although yes he was on the field alot it wasnt as much as manningham was at the beginning.</p>


#4. not that it matters much BUT he is a rookie.. lol (the double coverage on sunday made me happy... the NFL knows he can be deadly)</p>


give him 2-3 years just to gain NFL experience.smith/nicks will be a OUTSTANDING DUO in the NFL withEli throwing the ball providing no serious injuries occur</p>

And the scary thing is that MAnningham is pretty legit too... not too many teams have a better third WR.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 10:38 AM
</p>


" Smith is (for lack of a better term) a possession receiver."
</p>[:)] ya still used it ya old cooke. and i agree with you i think he will eventually be better then stevey because of his abilities to break tackles and make guys miss.

in smiths defense, teams started to double him on 3rd downs toward the end of the season.

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 10:40 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 10:42 AM
just an FYI- nicks is gross. i love him. look at this numbers on the season. they are pretty sick. especially when you take4 things into account.</P>


#1. going into this season the entire giants WR debacle.</P>


#2. he missed atleast 2 full games due to injury early in the season.</P>


#3 he wasnt a "starter" until the last 3-4 weeks of the season. (against philly i believe) so although yes he was on the field alot it wasnt as much as manningham was at the beginning.</P>


#4. not that it matters much BUT he is a rookie.. lol (the double coverage on sunday made me happy... the NFL knows he can be deadly)</P>


give him 2-3 years just to gain NFL experience.smith/nicks will be a OUTSTANDING DUO in the NFL withEli throwing the ball providing no serious injuries occur</P>


</P>


&lt;3
Thanks for saying that. I lack global thinking, and I think you hit it right on the head.</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 10:43 AM
back to the grind... this blows
</p>


And no Giants football to look forward to.</p>


Uggh!</p>

im not sure if thats a good or a bad thing
ohhh stop being a baby.


**** that dude... im disgusted to be a giants fan right now...

if we're a losing team, we're a losing team... we were just embarressed. I feel like an Oakland Raider fan
im not disgusted. i was like last week. i also didnt watch all of the vikings debacle, soo. hurt to much...but its not as bad a being a raider fan. all the tools are there on offense we were putting up 30 points a game. reese has to gut and rebuild our defense.


if ur not disgusted finishing the season how we did, then i dunno what to tell u....
i was pissed, but im over it and looking forward to next season. look at the positives. our offense minus the running game is something to be excited about. eli put up the best numbers of his career with no running game and young guns at wr. give us a decent defense and we win 5 more games, easy. cheer up matt. we could be the lions, browns, rams, raidas...............................

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 10:46 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>

well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 10:47 AM
Can'tBlameShockey now is still around?

Why didn't he join ManningBowl and bozo1 in MB prison?

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 10:49 AM
back to the grind... this blows
</p>


And no Giants football to look forward to.</p>


Uggh!</p>

im not sure if thats a good or a bad thing
ohhh stop being a baby.


**** that dude... im disgusted to be a giants fan right now...

if we're a losing team, we're a losing team... we were just embarressed. I feel like an Oakland Raider fan
im not disgusted. i was like last week. i also didnt watch all of the vikings debacle, soo. hurt to much...but its not as bad a being a raider fan. all the tools are there on offense we were putting up 30 points a game. reese has to gut and rebuild our defense.


if ur not disgusted finishing the season how we did, then i dunno what to tell u....
i was pissed, but im over it and looking forward to next season. look at the positives. our offense minus the running game is something to be excited about. eli put up the best numbers of his career with no running game and young guns at wr. give us a decent defense and we win 5 more games, easy. cheer up matt. we could be the lions, browns, rams, raidas...............................


i guess cuz I went out there and saw it live its just so much more depressing.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 10:49 AM
**** that dude... im disgusted to be a giants fan right now...

if we're a losing team, we're a losing team... we were just embarressed. I feel like an Oakland Raider fan
</p>


What, did you become a Giants fan in like 2000 or something? Forgot what it's like to lose? lol
it's not the end of the world. People get worked up because they most likely talk alot of **** to other people, and then when our team fails to deliver, you have to deal with the backlash. lol</p>




Since i've been alive (or consciously remember), Giants have never had a team this good, fail this miserably when it counted. Like I said this wasn't just losing, this was embarressing.
</p>


I guess I'm with you. Too many good players to lose this badly the last 11 games. 5 out of those 11 they gave up more than 40 points.</p>


At seasons end, I can't say with confidence that we could beat anybody.</p>

it really is gonna take a while to get over this debacle... unless Gilbride is gone... then i'll feel like we are going in the right direction...

as blondie said midway thru the third quarter on Sunday: "Look at the bright side, we're an hour away from the offseason"
oh he will be gone. its a known fact no one hates that man and that mustache more then me. morehead needs to revoke his stache status immediately, i dont know what hes waiting for.
that being said, i still worry whos going to be filling his shoes. as long as i dont see any more 3rd an long draws ill sleep easier at night.

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 10:49 AM
</P>


never...ever will I defend Gilbride. I thought that was too obvious, so I didnt even mention it. =]</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 10:50 AM
Can'tBlameShockey now is still around?

Why didn't he join ManningBowl and bozo1 in MB prison?


im gonna create a name, Can'tBlameEliNow

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 10:51 AM
Can'tBlameShockey now is still around?

Why didn't he join ManningBowl and bozo1 in MB prison?


im gonna create a name, Can'tBlameEliNow


lol... nice

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 10:52 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 10:59 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>


Are you saying the team quit on him? Or maybe gave up on the season?</P>


If he has lost the team? then i agree change is in order.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:00 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>

no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:01 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>


Are you saying the team quit on him? Or maybe gave up on the season?</p>


If he has lost the team? then i agree change is in order.</p>

YOOOOO they are sending u the coin... take 125 for urself since I never gave u dough and that Salary Cap league failed, just send me 400 and we're good.

And thanks for all the cards and stuff you've been donating to the leagues and what not... you da man

Its hard to say he lost the team... we really were destroyed by injuries this year... Hes got two years left in his contract, but they won't let him have a lame duck year

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 11:03 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


2 "bright sides" thus far. its the offseason OFFICIALLY so its time for improvments and changes ASAP. bright side #2 is bright side #1 has began by firing sheridan. with THAT much talent on defense allowing 427 points is INSANE to me. sheridan going isnt the only thing we need on defense.... the linebackers need serious work and the DLINE is NO WHERE near what we thought it was going to be... and the secondary coverage is horendous, we need to get our starters healthy and we also seriously need to upgrade the back ups. as much as a love ross this is also an issue, hes not THAT good and he is WAYYYY to injury prone...</P>


AS the NY GIANTS.. if your offense is scoring 30+ points and your losing games that is a VERY serious issue.</P>


Jacobs needs to run lower. with his knee surgery popping up last minute there was obviously an issue we were unaware of so who knows how long this was going on an bradshaw played banged up all year as well so our running game was decent but not amazing for injury reasons, hopefully this isnt an issue next year.</P>


the offense (passing wise) was great. Eli's bad balls were pitiful but most of the time he was spot on and the WRs were great...</P>


the kicking PUNTING and imho FGs.. both need to be upgraded in this offseason, although ugh id hate to admit this but atm Tynes looks like a minor, if any concern due to the rest of our issues.</P>


</P>


i still have problems with gilbride and i hope and pray he flies the coop, ASAP. some games he called great. other ones TERRIBLY. when you are down 21+ points how do you open 3 series in a row with running plays and the first serious run ALL 3 times and let them force a 3 and out on you. or like matt said oh ****, boss motion totheright then back left andblocking to the left, any $ in the world its a run to the left. when that is happened 95% of the time, i know its coming EVER time you think ppl getting payed 5 million per year to pick that out arent going to notice?!?!</P>


</P>


ughh i feel better after my rants lol</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 11:03 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
You and LT should just hug right now...lol.</P>


I feel for you my man. I really do...</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:05 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


2 "bright sides" thus far. its the offseason OFFICIALLY so its time for improvments and changes ASAP. bright side #2 is bright side #1 has began by firing sheridan. with THAT much talent on defense allowing 427 points is INSANE to me. sheridan going isnt the only thing we need on defense.... the linebackers need serious work and the DLINE is NO WHERE near what we thought it was going to be... and the secondary coverage is horendous, we need to get our starters healthy and we also seriously need to upgrade the back ups. as much as a love ross this is also an issue, hes not THAT good and he is WAYYYY to injury prone...</p>


AS the NY GIANTS.. if your offense is scoring 30+ points and your losing games that is a VERY serious issue.</p>


Jacobs needs to run lower. with his knee surgery popping up last minute there was obviously an issue we were unaware of so who knows how long this was going on an bradshaw played banged up all year as well so our running game was decent but not amazing for injury reasons, hopefully this isnt an issue next year.</p>


the offense (passing wise) was great. Eli's bad balls were pitiful but most of the time he was spot on and the WRs were great...</p>


the kicking PUNTING and imho FGs.. both need to be upgraded in this offseason, although ugh id hate to admit this but atm Tynes looks like a minor, if any concern due to the rest of our issues.</p>


</p>


i still have problems with gilbride and i hope and pray he flies the coop, ASAP. some games he called great. other ones TERRIBLY. when you are down 21+ points how do you open 3 series in a row with running plays and the first serious run ALL 3 times and let them force a 3 and out on you. or like matt said oh ****, boss motion totheright then back left andblocking to the left, any $ in the world its a run to the left. when that is happened 95% of the time, i know its coming EVER time you think ppl getting payed 5 million per year to pick that out arent going to notice?!?!</p>


</p>


ughh i feel better after my rants lol</p>

Well i'd like to correct one thing here... while the WRs exceeded all of our expectations and did have really good seasons -- there is ALOT of room for improvements... WAYYY too many wide open dropped balls

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:05 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</P>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</P>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</P>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</P>

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 11:05 AM
Ochocinco said his left knee is feeling fine. He tested it out Monday -- not on the football field, though.
"I had sex yesterday,'' the Bengals (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4) receiver said. "With some of the moves I did -- I should be fine."

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:06 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
You and LT should just hug right now...lol.</p>


I feel for you my man. I really do...</p>

LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:06 AM
Ochocinco said his left knee is feeling fine. He tested it out Monday -- not on the football field, though.
"I had sex yesterday,'' the Bengals (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4) receiver said. "With some of the moves I did -- I should be fine."




LMAO

how could anyone not like him

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:07 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>

I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:07 AM
Ochocinco said his left knee is feeling fine. He tested it out Monday -- not on the football field, though. "I had sex yesterday,'' the Bengals (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4) receiver said. "With some of the moves I did -- I should be fine."


</P>


Was it with a tubby Canadian?</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 11:12 AM
Matt- I will give $25 to the kind lady who runs the pool. The other $100 i have no idea what your talking about. Did i send you money or something??</P>


Oyoyoy- Either im getting too old, or the farmers are getting better...lol.</P>


I will have to get the money somehow.. I will make sure it gets to you.</P>

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 11:12 AM
how could anyone not like him

I have no idea.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:16 AM
Ochocinco said his left knee is feeling fine. He tested it out Monday -- not on the football field, though.
"I had sex yesterday,'' the Bengals (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4) receiver said. "With some of the moves I did -- I should be fine."


lmao. wtf is wrong him? hahaha reminds me of mike tyson. "yea i fornicated yesterday, i should be fine"

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:17 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
You and LT should just hug right now...lol.</p>


I feel for you my man. I really do...</p>

LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season
?[*-)]isnt it the other way around. hes here during the offseason and leaves around preseason.
whats up with that lt?

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
You and LT should just hug right now...lol.</P>


I feel for you my man. I really do...</P>




LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season
?[*-)]isnt it the other way around. hes here during the offseason and leaves around preseason.
whats up with that lt?
</P>


Maybe he has a life.</P>


</P>


Nah....what was I thinking?</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>

I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.

DavenIII
01-06-2010, 11:22 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:23 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</P>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</P>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</P>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</P>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</P>


I think he's lost the players.</P>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:23 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>

I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.


doesn't matter, if Mooreheads theory is correct and the team stopped responding to him.. its over...

Shannahan got fired from Denver last year, you gonna try and say hes not just as good if not better than Coughlin?

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 11:23 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:24 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
</P>


Daven, I assume you lost your bet regarding the Giants WR's. Who was it again that bet you?</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:25 AM
Matt- I will give $25 to the kind lady who runs the pool. The other $100 i have no idea what your talking about. Did i send you money or something??</p>


Oyoyoy- Either im getting too old, or the farmers are getting better...lol.</p>


I will have to get the money somehow.. I will make sure it gets to you.</p>

the salary cap footbal league that never happened. We were suppose to pay for each others entry but it never really went off... but whatever just send me 400 u divey up the rest however u see fit

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:25 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.</P>


As I said yesterday, The Mets are where ex- Red Sox players go to die.</P>


Jason Bay has no heart. He truly doesn't care about winning.</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:26 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:26 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.


check ur pm

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 11:27 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


2 "bright sides" thus far. its the offseason OFFICIALLY so its time for improvments and changes ASAP. bright side #2 is bright side #1 has began by firing sheridan. with THAT much talent on defense allowing 427 points is INSANE to me. sheridan going isnt the only thing we need on defense.... the linebackers need serious work and the DLINE is NO WHERE near what we thought it was going to be... and the secondary coverage is horendous, we need to get our starters healthy and we also seriously need to upgrade the back ups. as much as a love ross this is also an issue, hes not THAT good and he is WAYYYY to injury prone...</P>


AS the NY GIANTS.. if your offense is scoring 30+ points and your losing games that is a VERY serious issue.</P>


Jacobs needs to run lower. with his knee surgery popping up last minute there was obviously an issue we were unaware of so who knows how long this was going on an bradshaw played banged up all year as well so our running game was decent but not amazing for injury reasons, hopefully this isnt an issue next year.</P>


the offense (passing wise) was great. Eli's bad balls were pitiful but most of the time he was spot on and the WRs were great...</P>


the kicking PUNTING and imho FGs.. both need to be upgraded in this offseason, although ugh id hate to admit this but atm Tynes looks like a minor, if any concern due to the rest of our issues.</P>


</P>


i still have problems with gilbride and i hope and pray he flies the coop, ASAP. some games he called great. other ones TERRIBLY. when you are down 21+ points how do you open 3 series in a row with running plays and the first serious run ALL 3 times and let them force a 3 and out on you. or like matt said oh ****, boss motion totheright then back left andblocking to the left, any $ in the world its a run to the left. when that is happened 95% of the time, i know its coming EVER time you think ppl getting payed 5 million per year to pick that out arent going to notice?!?!</P>


</P>


ughh i feel better after my rants lol</P>




Well i'd like to correct one thing here... while the WRs exceeded all of our expectations and did have really good seasons -- there is ALOT of room for improvements... WAYYY too many wide open dropped balls
</P>


i stand corrected. although nicks had few dropped balls. smith had some bad ones but he also had an insane amount of catches so thats bound to happen... manningham on the other hand looked like butterhands for some games. i have faith these are young mistakes tho!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:27 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.

i disagree...

I think they overpaid for a guy that won't be able to field for them... and hes alot more broken down than I thought he was...

Its a fielders field at Citibank... I think bay is a bad fit

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:28 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.
by one fraction of an iota

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:28 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.

i disagree...

I think they overpaid for a guy that won't be able to field for them... and hes alot more broken down than I thought he was...

Its a fielders field at Citibank... I think bay is a bad fit

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:29 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</P>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</P>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</P>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</P>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</P>


I think he's lost the players.</P>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</P>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</P>


Its called pride. How come the Browns played with it and the Giants didn't?</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:29 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.</p>


As I said yesterday, The Mets are where ex- Red Sox players go to die.</p>


Jason Bay has no heart. He truly doesn't care about winning.</p>

haha that is true about Boston to Mets transition

I think ur just mad Bay doesn't want to be a Red Sock

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:30 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.

i disagree...

I think they overpaid for a guy that won't be able to field for them... and hes alot more broken down than I thought he was...

Its a fielders field at Citibank... I think bay is a bad fit
its a beautiful looking ball park though. ill give them that.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:30 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.


thats fair...

but then whats the excuse for Carolina game?

Not to mention Philly1, New Orleans, and Denver

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 11:31 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</P>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</P>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</P>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</P>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</P>


I think he's lost the players.</P>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</P>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</P>


they were playing for nothing. when we booked it we ASSUMED they would be playing for EVERYTHING however it did not turn out that way.</P>


its on both but when one ofthe best people on your roster come out and publicaly say the team just didnt feel motivate that right there is a coaching issue. its your ****ing job to get your players head in the game and if its not happening what are we paying you for?!?</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:31 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.</P>


As I said yesterday, The Mets are where ex- Red Sox players go to die.</P>


Jason Bay has no heart. He truly doesn't care about winning.</P>




haha that is true about Boston to Mets transition

I think ur just mad Bay doesn't want to be a Red Sock
</P>


You may remember that I said this during the season.</P>


Did you see how much Matt Holliday got from the Cards?</P>


Holy ****!!!!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:33 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.</p>


As I said yesterday, The Mets are where ex- Red Sox players go to die.</p>


Jason Bay has no heart. He truly doesn't care about winning.</p>




haha that is true about Boston to Mets transition

I think ur just mad Bay doesn't want to be a Red Sock
</p>


You may remember that I said this during the season.</p>


Did you see how much Matt Holliday got from the Cards?</p>


Holy ****!!!!!</p>

no i didn't see that contract, what was it? He was asking for a Kings Ransom

I know u said it during the season... after Bay declined the extension and the rumors came out that he doesn't like boston lol

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 11:33 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.</P>


As I said yesterday, The Mets are where ex- Red Sox players go to die.</P>


Jason Bay has no heart. He truly doesn't care about winning.</P>


I dont care if hes got a brain either. One thing is for sure, is that he has produced in the NL and AL AND with the Sawks....</P>


Dont be so bitter. Many other things to be bitter about- Dice K, Papi, Lugo, etc..</P>


Why him?? </P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:35 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</p>


Its called pride. How come the Browns played with it and the Giants didn't?</p>you know as well as everyone else that tc has the most pride out of any coach we ever had. theres only so much he can do. hell werent you arguing how this was more on the players then the coaches in the fire shedian thread. ohhhh you just got caught red handed.

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:38 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.</P>


As I said yesterday, The Mets are where ex- Red Sox players go to die.</P>


Jason Bay has no heart. He truly doesn't care about winning.</P>




haha that is true about Boston to Mets transition

I think ur just mad Bay doesn't want to be a Red Sock
</P>


You may remember that I said this during the season.</P>


Did you see how much Matt Holliday got from the Cards?</P>


Holy ****!!!!!</P>




no i didn't see that contract, what was it? He was asking for a Kings Ransom

I know u said it during the season... after Bay declined the extension and the rumors came out that he doesn't like boston lol
</P>


I think it was 7 years for $120MM. Thats almost Teixiera $$$.</P>


Way to much. I like the kid but jeez.</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:39 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</p>


they were playing for nothing. when we booked it we ASSUMED they would be playing for EVERYTHING however it did not turn out that way.</p>


its on both but when one ofthe best people on your roster come out and publicaly say the team just didnt feel motivate that right there is a coaching issue. its your ****ing job to get your players head in the game and if its not happening what are we paying you for?!?</p>im sorry but if another man has to pump you up to make you play your best you shouldnt be playing football. not to mention half the players get paid around a million a game. if thats not reason enough to get ampted then i dont know what is.

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</P>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</P>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</P>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</P>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</P>


I think he's lost the players.</P>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</P>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</P>


Its called pride. How come the Browns played with it and the Giants didn't?</P>


you know as well as everyone else that tc has the most pride out of any coach we ever had. theres only so much he can do. hell werent you arguing how this was more on the players then the coaches in the fire shedian thread. ohhhh you just got caught red handed.
</P>


You're right. There is only so much that TC could do, because he's lost the team. You can't do much when they tune you out.</P>


And I always play devil's advocate when fans act predictably. I do blame the players for their poor play this season. Not for not trying, but for playing lousy. </P>


This WAS on the players as well. But the coach didn't have them ready to play. He didn't take players who were doggin it off the field, AND he praised there efforts after the game.</P>


This wasn't about trying hard and failing. This was about giving up after they lost the coin toss. This was about not playing with any effort or pride.</P>


</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.


thats fair...

but then whats the excuse for Carolina game?

Not to mention Philly1, New Orleans, and Denver
philly game got out of hand. missed penalties, poor play.
new orleans, sheridan suck donkey ****,
denvers defense was ready for us.... they knew everything eli was going to run. gilbride
carolina, defense again, missed tackles.
there were some coaching issues for all these games.
the only thing i blame tc for is not taking the playbook away from sheridan. he should of started running the defense himself

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 11:44 AM
not to mention half the players get paid around a million a game. if thats not reason enough to get ampted then i dont know what is.

They get that money regardless if they get 0 sacks or 5. That is not a reason to be motivated Dezz.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:45 AM
LT? Na i only talk to him during the football season, its not the football season


ROFL....

I miss this place.
Congrats on signing Bay. Your team just got better.</p>


As I said yesterday, The Mets are where ex- Red Sox players go to die.</p>


Jason Bay has no heart. He truly doesn't care about winning.</p>




haha that is true about Boston to Mets transition

I think ur just mad Bay doesn't want to be a Red Sock
</p>


You may remember that I said this during the season.</p>


Did you see how much Matt Holliday got from the Cards?</p>


Holy ****!!!!!</p>




no i didn't see that contract, what was it? He was asking for a Kings Ransom

I know u said it during the season... after Bay declined the extension and the rumors came out that he doesn't like boston lol
</p>


I think it was 7 years for $120MM. Thats almost Teixiera $$$.</p>


Way to much. I like the kid but jeez.</p>

wow that is alot... u look at his bat tho... hes been super legit

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:46 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</P>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</P>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</P>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</P>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</P>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</P>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</P>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</P>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</P>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</P>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</P>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</P>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</P>


I think he's lost the players.</P>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</P>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</P>


they were playing for nothing. when we booked it we ASSUMED they would be playing for EVERYTHING however it did not turn out that way.</P>


its on both but when one ofthe best people on your roster come out and publicaly say the team just didnt feel motivate that right there is a coaching issue. its your ****ing job to get your players head in the game and if its not happening what are we paying you for?!?</P>


im sorry but if another man has to pump you up to make you play your best you shouldnt be playing football. not to mention half the players get paid around a million a game. if thats not reason enough to get ampted then i dont know what is.
</P>


This is the oldest and most foolish argument in defense of bad coaching. This was Ray Handley's defense. You essentially quoted him just now when he was confronted by the media with this point.</P>


In the NFL, MOTIVATION is one of the most important aspects of coaching.</P>


For a team to quit like they did and have a coach display no reaction and actually commend their effort after the game, its unnacceptable.</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 11:48 AM
Dezz, NFL football players are children. They are not grown men. I'm sorry, its just the way it is.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:53 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.


thats fair...

but then whats the excuse for Carolina game?

Not to mention Philly1, New Orleans, and Denver
philly game got out of hand. missed penalties, poor play.
new orleans, sheridan suck donkey ****,
denvers defense was ready for us.... they knew everything eli was going to run. gilbride
carolina, defense again, missed tackles.
there were some coaching issues for all these games.
the only thing i blame tc for is not taking the playbook away from sheridan. he should of started running the defense himself


Carolina was defense again? We scored what 9 points? I'd say all 5 of those games were both offense and defense... which means the whole team really didn't show up... which also reflects on the head coach

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:54 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</p>


they were playing for nothing. when we booked it we ASSUMED they would be playing for EVERYTHING however it did not turn out that way.</p>


its on both but when one ofthe best people on your roster come out and publicaly say the team just didnt feel motivate that right there is a coaching issue. its your ****ing job to get your players head in the game and if its not happening what are we paying you for?!?</p>


im sorry but if another man has to pump you up to make you play your best you shouldnt be playing football. not to mention half the players get paid around a million a game. if thats not reason enough to get ampted then i dont know what is.
</p>


This is the oldest and most foolish argument in defense of bad coaching. This was Ray Handley's defense. You essentially quoted him just now when he was confronted by the media with this point.</p>


In the NFL, MOTIVATION is one of the most important aspects of coaching.</p>


For a team to quit like they did and have a coach display no reaction and actually commend their effort after the game, its unnacceptable.</p>im sorry but i dont think he was wrong with that quote. theres certainly nothing foolish about it. if i was getting paid millions of dollars id play my hardest no matter what the score is because i know the alternative, working in the real world. like i said theres only so much tc can do. he could of went chase blackburn on everyones *** and the players still would of sucked

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 11:55 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</p>


they were playing for nothing. when we booked it we ASSUMED they would be playing for EVERYTHING however it did not turn out that way.</p>


its on both but when one ofthe best people on your roster come out and publicaly say the team just didnt feel motivate that right there is a coaching issue. its your ****ing job to get your players head in the game and if its not happening what are we paying you for?!?</p>im sorry but if another man has to pump you up to make you play your best you shouldnt be playing football. not to mention half the players get paid around a million a game. if thats not reason enough to get ampted then i dont know what is.


so then just curious... what do you think a Head Coach is there for, like what is his purpose of even existing?

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 11:55 AM
Dezz, NFL football players are children. They are not grown men. I'm sorry, its just the way it is.
I totally agree. You could make the same case for any professional athlete really. People like Peyton, Jeter, Kobe and others don't play for the money. They play to win and be successful. The money comes along with it. Some people want to win and some people want to get rich.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 11:59 AM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.


thats fair...

but then whats the excuse for Carolina game?

Not to mention Philly1, New Orleans, and Denver
philly game got out of hand. missed penalties, poor play.
new orleans, sheridan suck donkey ****,
denvers defense was ready for us.... they knew everything eli was going to run. gilbride
carolina, defense again, missed tackles.
there were some coaching issues for all these games.
the only thing i blame tc for is not taking the playbook away from sheridan. he should of started running the defense himself


Carolina was defense again? We scored what 9 points? I'd say all 5 of those games were both offense and defense... which means the whole team really didn't show up... which also reflects on the head coach
yeaa we only scored 9 points cause our defense was on the field the whole game. and whats with this? NOW tc the bad guy and isnt good enough to coach. please. its beyond him and its as clear as day

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:00 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</P>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</P>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:03 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 12:05 PM
omg, you guys have to NOT block quote anymore......its crazy! Not like ya can read anything easily after 4 quotes lol

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 12:06 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>


</P>


haha nice</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:06 PM
omg, you guys have to NOT block quote anymore......its crazy! Not like ya can read anything easily after 4 quotes lol</P>


Blow me.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:07 PM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.


thats fair...

but then whats the excuse for Carolina game?

Not to mention Philly1, New Orleans, and Denver
philly game got out of hand. missed penalties, poor play.
new orleans, sheridan suck donkey ****,
denvers defense was ready for us.... they knew everything eli was going to run. gilbride
carolina, defense again, missed tackles.
there were some coaching issues for all these games.
the only thing i blame tc for is not taking the playbook away from sheridan. he should of started running the defense himself


Carolina was defense again? We scored what 9 points? I'd say all 5 of those games were both offense and defense... which means the whole team really didn't show up... which also reflects on the head coach
yeaa we only scored 9 points cause our defense was on the field the whole game. and whats with this? NOW tc the bad guy and isnt good enough to coach. please. its beyond him and its as clear as day


i don't get you can be on board for changing EVERYTHING defensively and offensively and not think theres anything wrongw ith teh head coach... i mean i wouldn't mind if we kept TC... but its ultimately his team that did this... how does he not get any blame?

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:09 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</p>


Stay away.....[:@]</p>

im not really either Pats...

I mean i know he has some success as a LB coach there but a few things are turning me off about him....

I mean he was apart of the Spygate days... so that will help ANY defensive team out.. hard to give them credit for that...

he then had an all vetern LB core, which i guess he did help develop, that was his LBs....

I dunno... im just on the fence about it...

Carl Banks giving him a ringing endorsement is kind of making me lighten up about him tho....

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 12:09 PM
<table><tbody>Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.<tr class="last"><td>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</td>
<td>
19</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</td>
<td>14</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</td>
<td>7</td></tr></tbody></table>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:09 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>I will thank you when you thank me for oneyours...lol.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:10 PM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</p>


they were playing for nothing. when we booked it we ASSUMED they would be playing for EVERYTHING however it did not turn out that way.</p>


its on both but when one ofthe best people on your roster come out and publicaly say the team just didnt feel motivate that right there is a coaching issue. its your ****ing job to get your players head in the game and if its not happening what are we paying you for?!?</p>im sorry but if another man has to pump you up to make you play your best you shouldnt be playing football. not to mention half the players get paid around a million a game. if thats not reason enough to get ampted then i dont know what is.


so then just curious... what do you think a Head Coach is there for, like what is his purpose of even existing?
well its not to pump the players up. thats on the players themselves and "team leaders" .

working with players on technique during practice, works with the coordinators game planing(yea ill say he ****ed up in that aspect).... i dont know, im not tc im not sure what else he does.

after every play tcs 5 yards onto the field slapping players coming off the field on the butt for doing a good job, or talking about what went wrong if they didnt. not to many other coaches do that. a bull**** call, hes in the refs face for 5 minutes. lead by example, and i dont see any lack of motivation from the coach. sorry just dont

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 12:12 PM
omg, you guys have to NOT block quote anymore......its crazy! Not like ya can read anything easily after 4 quotes lol</P>


Blow me.</P>


</P>


......</P>

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 12:14 PM
<TABLE>
<TBODY>Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
<TR class=last>
<TD>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</TD>
<TD>
19</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</TD>
<TD>14</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</TD>
<TD>7</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


</P>


Seriously??? When I think comeback player, I think players who didnt produce and came back to greatness. Did anyone seriously think Brady wouldnt be good this year?
My pick would be Cadillac I think.</P>

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 12:16 PM
Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
<table>
<tbody><tr class="last">
<td>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</td>
<td>
19</td></tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</td>
<td>14</td></tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</td>
<td>7</td></tr></tbody></table>


</p>


Seriously??? When I think comeback player, I think players who didnt produce and came back to greatness. Did anyone seriously think Brady wouldnt be good this year?
My pick would be Cadillac I think.</p>
Exactly my point. Let's give the 3 time Superbowl champion and MVP winner the comeback player of the year. LMAO They blow Brady dry.

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 12:17 PM
anyone for FF round 2 please check your email ASAP. there were a few minor, last minute changes! :)</P>


</P>


thanks guys!!</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:17 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>




im not really either Pats...

I mean i know he has some success as a LB coach there but a few things are turning me off about him....

I mean he was apart of the Spygate days... so that will help ANY defensive team out.. hard to give them credit for that...

he then had an all vetern LB core, which i guess he did help develop, that was his LBs....

I dunno... im just on the fence about it...

Carl Banks giving him a ringing endorsement is kind of making me lighten up about him tho....
Part of Spygate as a player or coach??LOL. Stealing those signals was going on even when the two Bills were coaching you guys...Every NFL teamwas doingthis. Thats why they changed things up as much.. Its the same way in Baseball.</P>


I dont put much stock in it. </P>


Pepper is a great coach, and is probably ready for DC on our team. He is a 3-4 guy so not sure how well he would do with your current defensive roster.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:21 PM
Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.<table><tbody><tr class="last"><td>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</td>
<td>
19</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</td>
<td>14</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</td>
<td>7</td></tr></tbody></table>

thats a shame, cuz in reality Caddy deserved it more. Everybody just loves blowing brady... i mean there was little doubt he'd do as good as he did this year... hell i thought he would of did better.

People said Caddy would never play again.

Vince deserves to be on the list too, but he didn't get enough time to really win the award

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:22 PM
Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
<TABLE>
<TBODY>
<TR class=last>
<TD>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</TD>
<TD>
19</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</TD>
<TD>14</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</TD>
<TD>7</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


</P>


Seriously??? When I think comeback player, I think players who didnt produce and came back to greatness. Did anyone seriously think Brady wouldnt be good this year?
My pick would be Cadillac I think.</P>



Exactly my point. Let's give the 3 time Superbowl champion and MVP winner the comeback player of the year. LMAO They blow Brady dry.
I vote for Derek Jeter. I dont care what the category is..</P>


I wonder if he- Oh never mind...</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:23 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>


I will thank you when you thank me for oneyours...lol.</P>


For what? Letting us <FONT size=5>"STOMP YOU OUT"?</FONT></P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:23 PM
Totally agree with you both about the team being too good to do so horribly.....BUT thats why you have to fire coordinators. Specifically on defense, where we IMPROVED with new players to our already great defense, yet went from top 5 D, to maybe bottom 3(i dont have stats to back these, just generalizations). Was it the players' fault? Yea sure, some blame falls to them. But in this case, this year....it was all Bill Sheridan! Talk about being handed a championship!! This guy really disgraced our team I feel. I almost feel personally insulted by him.</p>


I've said this about a dozen times in this thread, but i'll say it again, just so you guys dont think im fairweather :
* I never expect my team to win. That's how frustration and disappointment set in on a weekly basis. When we do win, with this train of thought....there's no better feeling as a fan*</p>


So yes, I'm disappointed, but I don't let it affect me how some people do. I have too much other **** in life to deal with =]</p>




well defense obviously, but Gilbride gets too many passes. Our personel was under-achieving.

Yes some games we would blow up... but some we also didn't. Red Zone play calling was better as the season went on, but stilll brutal overall. This committment to be SO balanced is gross. Starting games with double and triple tight end set packages, in a split formation is just unforgivable. How many times did we run the draw and get murdered on it? Playaction, whats that -- haven't seen it since the summer of 87. How bout a big package where we motion Boss to one side and then he turns around and motions back... RUN TO THAT SIDE.

Predictable, uncreative, and brutal.
</p>


I have to tell you all, it seems silly to fire both coordinators without also getting rid of the HC. This offensive and defensive strategy came at the approval of TC.</p>


I'm really not sureI trust him anymore to lead this team. I say this as one of the few guys here who didn't want to see him gone after the '06 season.</p>


I think its time. I guess its not going to happen, but I would be a lot more optomistic if we had some new leadership at the top.</p>


It was TC who DIDN'T have his players ready to play the last 2 games of the season.</p>




no Moorehead, I TOTALLY agree. It is weird to not clean house including the HC.. and as much as i've turned out to like TC, I can't say i'd be too upset if he was let go too..

I think personally, Cowher may be waiting for this job.
</p>


I have Sunday ticket and I watched a lot of teams who were out of the playoffs, playing their guts out on Sunday. Including the Browns.</p>


Please explain how a supposed disciplinarian like TC could have his team lay down like that, and then talk in the post game press conference as if they lost in a squeeker.</p>


I really think the team has tuned him out. How can he lead this team if thats true.</p>




I agree.. I would not be upset at all if hes gone... but i'd rather see Gilbride go...
tom coughlin is one of the best coaches in the league. period
and im glad hes not going anywhere.
</p>


I think he's lost the players.</p>


Any coach who would have his team lay down like they did in Minnesota has to face more scrutiny that you seem to want him to.</p>


that game was on the players. just take a look at tucks face from the game. what were they playing for anyway, matt and amanda? sorry love you guys. one ****ty meaningless game means nothing.
</p>


they were playing for nothing. when we booked it we ASSUMED they would be playing for EVERYTHING however it did not turn out that way.</p>


its on both but when one ofthe best people on your roster come out and publicaly say the team just didnt feel motivate that right there is a coaching issue. its your ****ing job to get your players head in the game and if its not happening what are we paying you for?!?</p>im sorry but if another man has to pump you up to make you play your best you shouldnt be playing football. not to mention half the players get paid around a million a game. if thats not reason enough to get ampted then i dont know what is.


so then just curious... what do you think a Head Coach is there for, like what is his purpose of even existing?
well its not to pump the players up. thats on the players themselves and "team leaders" .

working with players on technique during practice, works with the coordinators game planing(yea ill say he ****ed up in that aspect).... i dont know, im not tc im not sure what else he does.

after every play tcs 5 yards onto the field slapping players coming off the field on the butt for doing a good job, or talking about what went wrong if they didnt. not to many other coaches do that. a bull**** call, hes in the refs face for 5 minutes. lead by example, and i dont see any lack of motivation from the coach. sorry just dont


well I think you just don't truly understand what the motivation factor is. If you think its just some *** slapping and pregame speeches, then I would agree with you. But its a complete mental game that he has to play with everybody under him, where they are all buying into the gameplan with confidence and being prepared to execute it.

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:25 PM
Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
<TABLE>
<TBODY>
<TR class=last>
<TD>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</TD>
<TD>
19</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</TD>
<TD>14</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</TD>
<TD>7</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>




thats a shame, cuz in reality Caddy deserved it more. Everybody just loves blowing brady... i mean there was little doubt he'd do as good as he did this year... hell i thought he would of did better.

People said Caddy would never play again.

Vince deserves to be on the list too, but he didn't get enough time to really win the award
I would have voted for Brett Favre..</P>


But if blowing is involved, you know....</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:25 PM
anyone for FF round 2 please check your email ASAP. there were a few minor, last minute changes! :)</P>


</P>


thanks guys!!</P>


</P>


I HATE CHANGE!!!!!!!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:26 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</p>


Stay away.....[:@]</p>




im not really either Pats...

I mean i know he has some success as a LB coach there but a few things are turning me off about him....

I mean he was apart of the Spygate days... so that will help ANY defensive team out.. hard to give them credit for that...

he then had an all vetern LB core, which i guess he did help develop, that was his LBs....

I dunno... im just on the fence about it...

Carl Banks giving him a ringing endorsement is kind of making me lighten up about him tho....
Part of Spygate as a player or coach??LOL. Stealing those signals was going on even when the two Bills were coaching you guys...Every NFL teamwas doingthis. Thats why they changed things up as much.. Its the same way in Baseball.</p>


I dont put much stock in it. </p>


Pepper is a great coach, and is probably ready for DC on our team. He is a 3-4 guy so not sure how well he would do with your current defensive roster.</p>

I don't put much stock in it either, I just don't think it is something that could be let go

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01-06-2010, 12:26 PM
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bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 12:27 PM
People said Caddy would never play again.


He deserved to win hands down.

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 12:27 PM
Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
<TABLE>
<TBODY>
<TR class=last>
<TD>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</TD>
<TD>
19</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</TD>
<TD>14</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</TD>
<TD>7</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


</P>


Seriously??? When I think comeback player, I think players who didnt produce and came back to greatness. Did anyone seriously think Brady wouldnt be good this year?
My pick would be Cadillac I think.</P>



Exactly my point. Let's give the 3 time Superbowl champion and MVP winner the comeback player of the year. LMAO They blow Brady dry.
I vote for Derek Jeter. I dont care what the category is..</P>


I wonder if he- Oh never mind...</P>


</P>


ICWUDT....
***!!!!!!</P>


btw, **** VINCE YOUNG!!! He's the worst...</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:27 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</p>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</p>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</p>tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:28 PM
Amanda, besides me you and Matt, who else in our little twisted group is in this?

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:28 PM
anyone for FF round 2 please check your email ASAP. there were a few minor, last minute changes! :)</P>


</P>


thanks guys!!</P>


</P>


</P>


There's the Commish...sorry bout the lame effort that disgrace of a team put forth in Minny Amanda .</P>


[:(]</P>

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 12:29 PM
lol....dude. You are the worst!
Only you would intentionally go back to yesterday's posts 20 pages back to catch up.
Let's be honest....nobody cares what Lando said yesterday! Hell....i dont even care what he says TODAY!! lol</P>


jk SIR</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:29 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</P>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</P>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</P>


tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired
</P>


Please explain why he didn't pull players off the field. Please explain his praising of their effort after the game.</P>

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:32 PM
just an FYI- nicks is gross. i love him. look at this numbers on the season. they are pretty sick. especially when you take4 things into account.</P>


#1. going into this season the entire giants WR debacle.</P>


#2. he missed atleast 2 full games due to injury early in the season.</P>


#3 he wasnt a "starter" until the last 3-4 weeks of the season. (against philly i believe) so although yes he was on the field alot it wasnt as much as manningham was at the beginning.</P>


#4. not that it matters much BUT he is a rookie.. lol (the double coverage on sunday made me happy... the NFL knows he can be deadly)</P>


give him 2-3 years just to gain NFL experience.smith/nicks will be a OUTSTANDING DUO in the NFL withEli throwing the ball providing no serious injuries occur</P>


</P>


</P>


Very excited about Nicks too !</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:33 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>


I will thank you when you thank me for oneyours...lol.</P>


For what? Letting us <FONT size=5>"STOMP YOU OUT"?</FONT></P>


LOL when your hot, your hot...</P>


There was a time when just about everybody spent some time on the Giants coaching staff. But i wont get into the lean years.</P>


Maybe just about everybody in the NFL should just line up to blow Morehead...</P>


</P>

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:35 PM
lol....dude. You are the worst!
Only you would intentionally go back to yesterday's posts 20 pages back to catch up.
Let's be honest....nobody cares what Lando said yesterday! Hell....i dont even care what he says TODAY!! lol</P>


jk SIR</P>


</P>


</P>


I love going back....hahahhahaha- got to see what I missed....lol</P>

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 12:35 PM
lol....dude. You are the worst!
Only you would intentionally go back to yesterday's posts 20 pages back to catch up.
Let's be honest....nobody cares what Lando said yesterday! Hell....i dont even care what he says TODAY!! lol</p>


jk SIR</p>
Shock always catches up and stays current in THEE thread.

P.S. Blow me Buffy

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:35 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</p>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</p>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</p>


tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired
</p>


Please explain why he didn't pull players off the field. Please explain his praising of their effort after the game.</p>lol cause who else are we going to put in???? cause hes a class act and isnt going to throw anyone under the bus.
like i said i dont see a lack of motivation from tc. thee end.

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:36 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:36 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>


I will thank you when you thank me for oneyours...lol.</P>


For what? Letting us <FONT size=5>"STOMP YOU OUT"?</FONT></P>


LOL when your hot, your hot...</P>


There was a time when just about everybody spent some time on the Giants coaching staff. But i wont get into the lean years.</P>


Maybe just about everybody in the NFL should just line up to blow Morehead...</P>


</P>


</P>


Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennell, BB and Pepper all won superbowls with the Giants. They didn't pass through. Its where they all got their real starts.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:37 PM
Tom Brady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2330) has gone from record-setting MVP to injured superstar to The Associated Press 2009 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
<table>
<tbody>
<tr class="last">
<td>
Tom Brady, QB, New England</td>
<td>
19</td></tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Carnell Williams, RB, Tampa Bay</td>
<td>14</td></tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Vince Young, QB, Tennessee</td>
<td>7</td></tr></tbody></table>


</p>


Seriously??? When I think comeback player, I think players who didnt produce and came back to greatness. Did anyone seriously think Brady wouldnt be good this year?
My pick would be Cadillac I think.</p>



Exactly my point. Let's give the 3 time Superbowl champion and MVP winner the comeback player of the year. LMAO They blow Brady dry.
I vote for Derek Jeter. I dont care what the category is..</p>


I wonder if he- Oh never mind...</p>


</p>


ICWUDT....
***!!!!!!</p>


btw, **** VINCE YOUNG!!! He's the worst...</p>

na ur thinkin of Jamarcus Russell... Vince wins the game and may be the perfect QB for that offense... maybe minus Mike Vick

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 12:38 PM
Maybe just about everybody in the NFL should just line up to blow Morehead...</p>


</p>
Along with the 1000's of women. I don't think he has enough time left on the planet to fulfill that obligation

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:38 PM
lol....dude. You are the worst!
Only you would intentionally go back to yesterday's posts 20 pages back to catch up.
Let's be honest....nobody cares what Lando said yesterday! Hell....i dont even care what he says TODAY!! lol</P>


jk SIR</P>



<FONT size=5>Shock always catches up and stays current in THEE thread.
</FONT>
P.S. Blow me Buffy
</P>


</P>


That's right ...One time last summer when we were picking draft order I had to read back about 40 pages cause I was swimming with the kids....lol</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:38 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>




im not really either Pats...

I mean i know he has some success as a LB coach there but a few things are turning me off about him....

I mean he was apart of the Spygate days... so that will help ANY defensive team out.. hard to give them credit for that...

he then had an all vetern LB core, which i guess he did help develop, that was his LBs....

I dunno... im just on the fence about it...

Carl Banks giving him a ringing endorsement is kind of making me lighten up about him tho....
Part of Spygate as a player or coach??LOL. Stealing those signals was going on even when the two Bills were coaching you guys...Every NFL teamwas doingthis. Thats why they changed things up as much.. Its the same way in Baseball.</P>


I dont put much stock in it. </P>


Pepper is a great coach, and is probably ready for DC on our team. He is a 3-4 guy so not sure how well he would do with your current defensive roster.</P>

I don't put much stock in it either, I just don't think it is something that could be let go
You just watch. When we start losing again, it will all go to bed..

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:39 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</p>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</p>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</p>tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired


who is letting the players get off? nobody

The only "letting people off the hook" talk going on is with you in regard to TC.

Lets not compare your 9-5 to a job that could be earned by heart and pride

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:40 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</P>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</P>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</P>


tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired
</P>


Please explain why he didn't pull players off the field. Please explain his praising of their effort after the game.</P>


lol cause who else are we going to put in???? cause hes a class act and isnt going to throw anyone under the bus.
like i said i dont see a lack of motivation from tc. thee end.
</P>


It took the owner to finally get pissed off. John Mara told it like it is. Our coach did not. It demonstrates to me that he thinks a little tweaking will solve our problems.</P>


TC needed to go "Ditka" on their asses. Instead he went "Ray Handley".</P>

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:40 PM
Anyone besides MH got interest in an Albany get together for the Draft ...Daven , Matt, Bondie...anyone else...Pizz maybe...I know ti's a drive for u guys but I would be driving for 5 hours. hahahahha...Plus I wanna warm up for training Camp anyway. Last season there.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:40 PM
lol....dude. You are the worst!
Only you would intentionally go back to yesterday's posts 20 pages back to catch up.
Let's be honest....nobody cares what Lando said yesterday! Hell....i dont even care what he says TODAY!! lol</p>


jk SIR</p>
Shock always catches up and stays current in THEE thread.

P.S. Blow me Buffy



http://www.dvdtopsale.com/images/Buffy%20the%20Vampire%20Slayer.jpg

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 12:42 PM
anyone for FF round 2 please check your email ASAP. there were a few minor, last minute changes! :)</P>


</P>


thanks guys!!</P>


</P>


I HATE CHANGE!!!!!!!!</P>


</P>


sorry we could have 40-50 ppl so i had to add more roster spots so its possible to make more cobinations of teams. good thing is the pot will be looking rather lovely!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:43 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</p>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</p>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</p>


tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired
</p>


Please explain why he didn't pull players off the field. Please explain his praising of their effort after the game.</p>lol cause who else are we going to put in???? cause hes a class act and isnt going to throw anyone under the bus.
like i said i dont see a lack of motivation from tc. thee end.


his ability to motivate the team is what is in question.

who else are we going to put in? How bout the backups... especially in ga game that means nothing. Put someone out there thats gonna play with some heart.

Hes not gonna throw anyone under the bus? Listen theres times to open your mouth and times not to. Most of the time its not time to open ur mouth, but I can't say with the way that season ended was one of them...

He seemed too complacent for my likings.. bring back nazi bootcamp for spring training

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:44 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:44 PM
anyone for FF round 2 please check your email ASAP. there were a few minor, last minute changes! :)</P>


</P>


thanks guys!!</P>


</P>


I HATE CHANGE!!!!!!!!</P>


</P>


sorry we could have 40-50 ppl so i had to add more roster spots so its possible to make more cobinations of teams. good thing is the pot will be looking rather lovely!!</P>


</P>


Is anyone else from this thread playing?</P>

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 12:44 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>


I will thank you when you thank me for oneyours...lol.</P>


For what? Letting us <FONT size=5>"STOMP YOU OUT"?</FONT></P>


LOL when your hot, your hot...</P>


There was a time when just about everybody spent some time on the Giants coaching staff. But i wont get into the lean years.</P>


Maybe just about everybody in the NFL should just line up to blow Morehead...</P>


</P>


</P>


Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennell, BB and Pepper all won superbowls with the Giants. They didn't pass through. Its where they all got their real starts.</P>


And we are spawning ex- coaches or management all over the NFL</P>


Every winning team goes through it, and more so these days...</P>


If it flatters you and makes you happy?? then by all means = THANK YOU...</P>


Now stay away..[:@]</P>

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 12:45 PM
Amanda, besides me you and Matt, who else in our little twisted group is in this?</P>


byron and pats plus us 3. anyone else wanna join in.. looks like the pot might be lost to 1000 :) :)</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:45 PM
Anyone besides MH got interest in an Albany get together for the Draft ...Daven , Matt, Bondie...anyone else...Pizz maybe...I know ti's a drive for u guys but I would be driving for 5 hours. hahahahha...Plus I wanna warm up for training Camp anyway. Last season there.

Albany?

lol waht the **** is albany

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:45 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:46 PM
Not liking this Pepper Johnson talk..</P>


Stay away.....[:@]</P>


</P>


He was aGiant first. Just like all of your good coaches were.</P>


Your welcome Pats for all those championships.</P>


I will thank you when you thank me for oneyours...lol.</P>


For what? Letting us <FONT size=5>"STOMP YOU OUT"?</FONT></P>


LOL when your hot, your hot...</P>


There was a time when just about everybody spent some time on the Giants coaching staff. But i wont get into the lean years.</P>


Maybe just about everybody in the NFL should just line up to blow Morehead...</P>


</P>


</P>


Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennell, BB and Pepper all won superbowls with the Giants. They didn't pass through. Its where they all got their real starts.</P>


And we are spawning ex- coaches or management all over the NFL</P>


Every winning team goes through it, and more so these days...</P>


If it flatters you and makes you happy?? then by all means = THANK YOU...</P>


Now stay away..[:@]</P>


</P>


You are very welcome my friend.</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:47 PM
Anyone besides MH got interest in an Albany get together for the Draft ...Daven , Matt, Bondie...anyone else...Pizz maybe...I know ti's a drive for u guys but I would be driving for 5 hours. hahahahha...Plus I wanna warm up for training Camp anyway. Last season there.

Albany?

lol waht the **** is albany
</P>


If Shocks doesn't get "mysteriously stopped at the border" again, I thinks it nice to try to meet in the middle. </P>

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:48 PM
MMB...pm

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:48 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</p>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</p>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</p>


tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired
</p>


Please explain why he didn't pull players off the field. Please explain his praising of their effort after the game.</p>lol cause who else are we going to put in???? cause hes a class act and isnt going to throw anyone under the bus.
like i said i dont see a lack of motivation from tc. thee end.


his ability to motivate the team is what is in question.

who else are we going to put in? How bout the backups... especially in ga game that means nothing. Put someone out there thats gonna play with some heart.

Hes not gonna throw anyone under the bus? Listen theres times to open your mouth and times not to. Most of the time its not time to open ur mouth, but I can't say with the way that season ended was one of them...

He seemed too complacent for my likings.. bring back nazi bootcamp for spring training
cc brown could have all the heart in the world. i still dont want him playing.....

spring training? stop thinking about melky.
tc has a tough camp every summer, you know this maaan

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:48 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is


okay.. so essentially u believe its EVERYBODY else's fault except TCs?

Thats just standing behind someone u like, lets call it what it is...

Sometimes changes are needed Dezz...Joe Torre, Mike Shanahan, and Jon Gruden we're all fired recently and were all considered great coaches by common belief...

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:50 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is


okay.. so essentially u believe its EVERYBODY else's fault except TCs?

Thats just standing behind someone u like, lets call it what it is...

Sometimes changes are needed Dezz...Joe Torre, Mike Shanahan, and Jon Gruden we're all fired recently and were all considered great coaches by common belief...

shocknaweny
01-06-2010, 12:50 PM
Anyone besides MH got interest in an Albany get together for the Draft ...Daven , Matt, Bondie...anyone else...Pizz maybe...I know ti's a drive for u guys but I would be driving for 5 hours. hahahahha...Plus I wanna warm up for training Camp anyway. Last season there.

Albany?

lol waht the **** is albany
</P>


If Shocks doesn't get "mysteriously stopped at the border" again, I thinks it nice to try to meet in the middle. </P>


</P>


</P>


It's true and I have my Passport now !</P>


I can make it to NJ...a little far thoguh.</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:51 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:53 PM
Do you really think that guys like Lombardi and Parcells were just X's and O's guys? If so you are nuts.</p>


Parcells was one of the greatest motivators I ever saw. It could be fear, love, hate....whatever it takes. Motivating is a key element in coaching an emotional sport like football.</p>


You will learn, Dezz. You're young.</p>


tc is one of the best motivators in the nfl. at some point the blame falls on the players, they had no heart. im not going to blame my boss because i had no heart to do my job. id sound like a 5 year old and get fired
</p>


Please explain why he didn't pull players off the field. Please explain his praising of their effort after the game.</p>lol cause who else are we going to put in???? cause hes a class act and isnt going to throw anyone under the bus.
like i said i dont see a lack of motivation from tc. thee end.


his ability to motivate the team is what is in question.

who else are we going to put in? How bout the backups... especially in ga game that means nothing. Put someone out there thats gonna play with some heart.

Hes not gonna throw anyone under the bus? Listen theres times to open your mouth and times not to. Most of the time its not time to open ur mouth, but I can't say with the way that season ended was one of them...

He seemed too complacent for my likings.. bring back nazi bootcamp for spring training
cc brown could have all the heart in the world. i still dont want him playing.....

spring training? stop thinking about melky.
tc has a tough camp every summer, you know this maaan


not since 07 my man... not since 07

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:54 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.
</P>


If the players liked TC I would be really worried.</P>


No one care if they like him. Its will they play hard for him.</P>


Haven't you ever seen Patton?</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:55 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.


actually he was one of the most hated coaches in the league at that time...

then why did he get fired?

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:56 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is


okay.. so essentially u believe its EVERYBODY else's fault except TCs?

Thats just standing behind someone u like, lets call it what it is...

Sometimes changes are needed Dezz...Joe Torre, Mike Shanahan, and Jon Gruden we're all fired recently and were all considered great coaches by common belief...
nooo matt, thats not what i said. mr selective hearing over there. when you asked what does a hc do i said work on technique and game planing( that falls on tc but our ocs are so bad i cant blame tc 100%). i agree change needs to be made. sheridans gone and gilbride needs to go.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 12:57 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.


actually he was one of the most hated coaches in the league at that time...

then why did he get fired?
why did mike shanahan get fired?

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:58 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is


okay.. so essentially u believe its EVERYBODY else's fault except TCs?

Thats just standing behind someone u like, lets call it what it is...

Sometimes changes are needed Dezz...Joe Torre, Mike Shanahan, and Jon Gruden we're all fired recently and were all considered great coaches by common belief...
nooo matt, thats not what i said. mr selective hearing over there. when you asked what does a hc do i said work on technique and game planing( that falls on tc but our ocs are so bad i cant blame tc 100%). i agree change needs to be made. sheridans gone and gilbride needs to go.


If the players quit on this team this year, then yes I do beleive that TC should go

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 12:59 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.


actually he was one of the most hated coaches in the league at that time...

then why did he get fired?
why did mike shanahan get fired?
</P>


Because his team fell apart at the end of the season. Remind you of anything?</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 12:59 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.


actually he was one of the most hated coaches in the league at that time...

then why did he get fired?
why did mike shanahan get fired?


why do you think?

You think they fired him cuz he was one of the best coaches in the league and had past success with them?

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 01:01 PM
anyone for FF round 2 please check your email ASAP. there were a few minor, last minute changes! :)</P>


</P>


thanks guys!!</P>


</P>


</P>


There's the Commish...sorry bout the lame effort that disgrace of a team put forth in Minny Amanda .</P>


[:(]</P>


</P>


no problem at all!!! yes yes, here i am!! PM me your address please typed exactly how it should appear on the envelope! you damn canadians confuse me.</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 01:02 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.
</p>


If the players liked TC I would be really worried.</p>


No one care if they like him. Its will they play hard for him.</p>


Haven't you ever seen Patton?</p>yes like 10 times....
<font>"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George Patton Jr

tc did his best with what he had. 2 terrible coordinators and a team riddled with injuries.
</font>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 01:04 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.
</P>


If the players liked TC I would be really worried.</P>


No one care if they like him. Its will they play hard for him.</P>


Haven't you ever seen Patton?</P>


yes like 10 times....
<FONT size=+0>"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George Patton Jr

tc did his best with what he had. 2 terrible coordinators and a team riddled with injuries.
</FONT></P>


Who hired the coordinators and gave his blessing to their philosophies?</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 01:14 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.
</p>


If the players liked TC I would be really worried.</p>


No one care if they like him. Its will they play hard for him.</p>


Haven't you ever seen Patton?</p>yes like 10 times....
<font>"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George Patton Jr

tc did his best with what he had. 2 terrible coordinators and a team riddled with injuries.
</font>

CC Brown did his best, it ain't good enough

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 01:17 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


</P>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 01:19 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


</P>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</P>


</P>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</P>


</P>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 01:20 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>

im on the fence about it... but can't say i'd be upset if he goes...

Its hard to blame EVERYONE except him... he is at the head of it all

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 01:23 PM
heres a thought for everybody to chew on....

what if Gilbride is running the offense per Coughlins command.

What if Gilbride has his own style and isn't allowed to use it.

Gilbride prolly is in debt to TC because he was just the QB coach before we dumped Huffy......

What if it really is TCs fault?

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 01:25 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump

patsrule666
01-06-2010, 01:28 PM
heres a thought for everybody to chew on....

what if Gilbride is running the offense per Coughlins command.

What if Gilbride has his own style and isn't allowed to use it.

Gilbride prolly is in debt to TC because he was just the QB coach before we dumped Huffy......

What if it really is TCs fault?
Even more reason to shave that stache of KGs.....lol.

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 01:28 PM
heres a thought for everybody to chew on....

what if Gilbride is running the offense per Coughlins command.

What if Gilbride has his own style and isn't allowed to use it.

Gilbride prolly is in debt to TC because he was just the QB coach before we dumped Huffy......

What if it really is TCs fault?
</P>


well th en the Mara's and Reese should know this and if thats the case bring in Cowher</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 01:28 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.


actually he was one of the most hated coaches in the league at that time...

then why did he get fired?
why did mike shanahan get fired?
</p>


Because his team fell apart at the end of the season. Remind you of anything?</p>josh mcdaniels?

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 01:31 PM
heres a thought for everybody to chew on....

what if Gilbride is running the offense per Coughlins command.

What if Gilbride has his own style and isn't allowed to use it.

Gilbride prolly is in debt to TC because he was just the QB coach before we dumped Huffy......

What if it really is TCs fault?
</p>


well th en the Mara's and Reese should know this and if thats the case bring in Cowher</p>[Y] exactly and they havnt

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 01:34 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.
</p>


If the players liked TC I would be really worried.</p>


No one care if they like him. Its will they play hard for him.</p>


Haven't you ever seen Patton?</p>yes like 10 times....
<font>"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George Patton Jr

tc did his best with what he had. 2 terrible coordinators and a team riddled with injuries.
</font>

CC Brown did his best, it ain't good enough
but cc brown was THEE WORST saftey to play in the nfl. he doesnt count. lol

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 01:36 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 01:40 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.
</p>


If the players liked TC I would be really worried.</p>


No one care if they like him. Its will they play hard for him.</p>


Haven't you ever seen Patton?</p>


yes like 10 times....
<font size="+0">"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George Patton Jr

tc did his best with what he had. 2 terrible coordinators and a team riddled with injuries.
</font></p>


Who hired the coordinators and gave his blessing to their philosophies?</p>
both reese and coughlin. coughlin picked the best he had. its up to reese to go out and find dc, oc, and players. reese must of thought the coaches already here were good enough for tc to pick from.

im just saying letting go of tc would be stupid. he made a few mental errors this year as does every coach.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 01:41 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.


actually he was one of the most hated coaches in the league at that time...

then why did he get fired?
why did mike shanahan get fired?
</p>


Because his team fell apart at the end of the season. Remind you of anything?</p>josh mcdaniels?


well then TC reminds me of Fassell

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 01:43 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 01:44 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


thats opinion based. alot of the players liked him actually.
</p>


If the players liked TC I would be really worried.</p>


No one care if they like him. Its will they play hard for him.</p>


Haven't you ever seen Patton?</p>


yes like 10 times....
<font size="+0">"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George Patton Jr

tc did his best with what he had. 2 terrible coordinators and a team riddled with injuries.
</font></p>


Who hired the coordinators and gave his blessing to their philosophies?</p>
both reese and coughlin. coughlin picked the best he had. its up to reese to go out and find dc, oc, and players. reese must of thought the coaches already here were good enough for tc to pick from.

im just saying letting go of tc would be stupid. he made a few mental errors this year as does every coach.


now ur just talkin out of ur ***

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 01:50 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT

lawl
01-06-2010, 01:56 PM
So who remembers TC's speech where he said injuries are mental and that he was going to eliminate them lol

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:01 PM
So who remembers TC's speech where he said injuries are mental and that he was going to eliminate them lol
who remembers when tc lead us to the superbowl when all seemed lost?

ibleedblue85
01-06-2010, 02:04 PM
So who remembers TC's speech where he said injuries are mental and that he was going to eliminate them lol
</P>


lololol</P>

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 02:04 PM
You guys want Coughlin gone?

What is this? 2006?

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:05 PM
So who remembers TC's speech where he said injuries are mental and that he was going to eliminate them lol
who remembers when tc lead us to the superbowl when all seemed lost?
</P>


TC deserves credit for the 07 season. But he also then must get the blame for the quit in our team in 09.</P>


You don't get to have it both ways. He will be 3 years older and the league continues to change.</P>


And I don't want Cowher or any other rehashed coach. I want new blood.I want a young OC or DC in this league who will put some fire and accountability in this team.</P>


When the owner upstages the emotion (or lack of) of the coach, you have to wonder.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:05 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:06 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


</P>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</P>


</P>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</P>


</P>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</P>




uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
</P>


Melky who?</P>


You mean the Braves outfielder?</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:06 PM
so far i've heard blame on the players, Reese, DC, and OC...

how does Coughlin get left off the list

I want somebody to tell me what hes done this year to get a free pass...

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:06 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 02:10 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.


In the NL

The NL is like Quadruple A

AL is where the big boys play.

Matt Holliday was junk in Oakland and now he's a great hitter in St. Louis.

You face inferior competition in the NL... let's see what Vasquez does this year

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:10 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


</P>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</P>


</P>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</P>


</P>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</P>




uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.
</P>


John Lackey.</P>

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:15 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>




uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.
</p>


John Lackey.</p>dammit morehead, dont help him!

lawl
01-06-2010, 02:15 PM
So who remembers TC's speech where he said injuries are mental and that he was going to eliminate them lol
who remembers when tc lead us to the superbowl when all seemed lost?


Im not arguing for TC to go or stay, I just find that quote of him extremely amusing

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:16 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.


In the NL

The NL is like Quadruple A

AL is where the big boys play.

Matt Holliday was junk in Oakland and now he's a great hitter in St. Louis.

You face inferior competition in the NL... let's see what Vasquez does this year
yea the phillies are deff quadruple a material. ahhh everyones pissing me off today[:@]

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:17 PM
if Vasquez repeats last years numbers, i'll be wrong... but to think he will is wishful thinking...

Ben Sheets, Eric Bedard, Jarod Washburn, and Jon Garland to name a few

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:18 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>




uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.
</p>


John Lackey.</p>dammit morehead, dont help him!


don't worry... i wasn't goin to mention hte obvious...

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:20 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.


In the NL

The NL is like Quadruple A

AL is where the big boys play.

Matt Holliday was junk in Oakland and now he's a great hitter in St. Louis.

You face inferior competition in the NL... let's see what Vasquez does this year
yea the phillies are deff quadruple a material. ahhh everyones pissing me off today[:@]


thats not even a debate...

level of competition is harder by having the DH in there period..

you can look at averages, interleague play records, however u want to do it...

u take out Phillies and Cards, they are not the norm of the NL

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:20 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>




uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.
</p>


John Lackey.</p>dammit morehead, dont help him!


don't worry... i wasn't goin to mention hte obvious...
lmao yet your WHOLE ****in argument a few weeks back was there were no free agents. i can look it up if you want. OWNED

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 02:22 PM
Oh wow! I actually agree with Morehead for once!
I mean, I think we should keep TC still....but the idea of getting new blood, and not washed up coaches is a great idea. Gilbride has been in this league as below-average coordinator for YEARS!
Did anyone notice that his time with the Gmen is his longest tenure EVER(06 to current)?! What does that say about him? Even crappy teams thought he sucked! lol</P>


OUT!!!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:22 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>




uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.
</p>


John Lackey.</p>dammit morehead, dont help him!


don't worry... i wasn't goin to mention hte obvious...
lmao yet your WHOLE ****in argument a few weeks back was there were no free agents. i can look it up if you want. OWNED


yes please look it up selective memory...

then i would love for you to address me as Mr. Meyer when you apologize

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:23 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:23 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.


In the NL

The NL is like Quadruple A

AL is where the big boys play.

Matt Holliday was junk in Oakland and now he's a great hitter in St. Louis.

You face inferior competition in the NL... let's see what Vasquez does this year
yea the phillies are deff quadruple a material. ahhh everyones pissing me off today[:@]


thats not even a debate...

level of competition is harder by having the DH in there period..

you can look at averages, interleague play records, however u want to do it...

u take out Phillies and Cards are not the norm of the NL
I KNOW THIS MATT. but to say the nl cant compete with the al is ridiculous

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 02:25 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.


In the NL

The NL is like Quadruple A

AL is where the big boys play.

Matt Holliday was junk in Oakland and now he's a great hitter in St. Louis.

You face inferior competition in the NL... let's see what Vasquez does this year
yea the phillies are deff quadruple a material. ahhh everyones pissing me off today[:@]


thats not even a debate...

level of competition is harder by having the DH in there period..

you can look at averages, interleague play records, however u want to do it...

u take out Phillies and Cards, they are not the norm of the NL


AL was 137-114 in interleage play in '09

Can't find ERA numbers, but I'm sure NL is lower

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:25 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:26 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:26 PM
Oh wow! I actually agree with Morehead for once!
I mean, I think we should keep TC still....but the idea of getting new blood, and not washed up coaches is a great idea. Gilbride has been in this league as below-average coordinator for YEARS!
Did anyone notice that his time with the Gmen is his longest tenure EVER(06 to current)?! What does that say about him? Even crappy teams thought he sucked! lol</P>


OUT!!!!</P>


</P>


Secretly, you always agree with me.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:27 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</p>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</p>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</p>


</p>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</p>


</p>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</p>


</p>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</p>

uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.


In the NL

The NL is like Quadruple A

AL is where the big boys play.

Matt Holliday was junk in Oakland and now he's a great hitter in St. Louis.

You face inferior competition in the NL... let's see what Vasquez does this year
yea the phillies are deff quadruple a material. ahhh everyones pissing me off today[:@]


thats not even a debate...

level of competition is harder by having the DH in there period..

you can look at averages, interleague play records, however u want to do it...

u take out Phillies and Cards are not the norm of the NL
I KNOW THIS MATT. but to say the nl cant compete with the al is ridiculous



they are all professionals, obviously they can compete... nobody said they couldn't

not as good competition in the NL is basically what BLT was saying and he was 110% right

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:28 PM
Am i the only one here that wants TC gone....I assume MH does too...I mean thanx for the SB and all....but he has been here 5 seasons now and I think he's gone back to the ******* that he was when he came in '04 !</P>


the guy built the jags to a pretty good team, has lead us to the playoffs every year hes been here besides his first and this year along with a superbowl. you people are spoiled is what it is
</P>


He got fired because the players tuned him out there as well.</P>


</P>


2 years removed from a Superbowl Ring, I'm not quite ready to crucify him. Just another thing we disagree on BostoMan</P>


</P>


You are alone on this with Dezz. Despite all those Z's, doesn't that bother you?</P>


</P>


And I live 100 miles from Boston.</P>




uhg i know the feeling...

apparently everybody in the country watches the show "JERSEY SHORE" and so when we're in Minny everybody asked about that ****in show and I live no where near the shore, don't watch it, am not a guinea, don't wax my hair, or fist pump


you fist pump melky at least twice a week dont lie.


only time will tell..

and last year when we let time tell the story.. u were conceding victory of opinion to me
we needed pitching this year matt. FACT


FACT - we could of gotten somebody of Vasquez's talents off FA wire and kept Melky
names????? your not winning this one. vasquez was a cy young candidate.


In the NL

The NL is like Quadruple A

AL is where the big boys play.

Matt Holliday was junk in Oakland and now he's a great hitter in St. Louis.

You face inferior competition in the NL... let's see what Vasquez does this year
yea the phillies are deff quadruple a material. ahhh everyones pissing me off today[:@]


thats not even a debate...

level of competition is harder by having the DH in there period..

you can look at averages, interleague play records, however u want to do it...

u take out Phillies and Cards are not the norm of the NL
I KNOW THIS MATT. but to say the nl cant compete with the al is ridiculous

</P>


Not the point. The point is when a NL pitcher moves to the AL, expect at least a run higher on the ERA.</P>

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 02:29 PM
Unleashing Halladay in the NL is gonna be like if they unleashed Dwight Howard in the WNBA

Total domination

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:29 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:29 PM
Hah Matt, I have Rodgers, Grant and Greg Jennings in the playoff FF league.

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 02:30 PM
Oh wow! I actually agree with Morehead for once!
I mean, I think we should keep TC still....but the idea of getting new blood, and not washed up coaches is a great idea. Gilbride has been in this league as below-average coordinator for YEARS!
Did anyone notice that his time with the Gmen is his longest tenure EVER(06 to current)?! What does that say about him? Even crappy teams thought he sucked! lol</P>


OUT!!!!</P>


</P>


Secretly, you always agree with me.</P>


</P>


Only when you tell me that the Yanks are the best. MMB has textual proof!</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:30 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...

lawl
01-06-2010, 02:30 PM
Lincecum will still go back to back to back Cy Young no prob

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:30 PM
Hah Matt, I have Rodgers, Grant and Greg Jennings in the playoff FF league.

hahaha... im all about ARog

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:31 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:32 PM
Lincecum will still go back to back to back Cy Young no prob


lol, your just the ULTIMATE GIANTS fan aren't u

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 02:33 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...


I'm so ticked off we didn't sign Lackey. We trade the Melk Man to get Vasquez and sign Nick ****in Johnson to replace Johnny Damon.

I'm up in the air about the Granderson thing

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:34 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...


I'm so ticked off we didn't sign Lackey. We trade the Melk Man to get Vasquez and sign Nick ****in Johnson to replace Johnny Damon.

I'm up in the air about the Granderson thing
</P>


Granderson is too good of a guy to play for the Evil Empire.</P>

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:36 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL* in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...


I'm so ticked off we didn't sign Lackey. We trade the Melk Man to get Vasquez and sign Nick ****in Johnson to replace Johnny Damon.

I'm up in the air about the Granderson thing
</P>


Granderson is too good of a guy to play for the Evil Empire.</P>

I look foward to him knocking some hits off the monster this season

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:38 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 02:39 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...


I'm so ticked off we didn't sign Lackey. We trade the Melk Man to get Vasquez and sign Nick ****in Johnson to replace Johnny Damon.

I'm up in the air about the Granderson thing
</p>


Granderson is too good of a guy to play for the Evil Empire.</p>

I hope we sign DeRosa. He's still a FA, right? He can play LF

Jeter
DeRosa
Tex
A-Rod
Posada
Robby Cano
Swish
Nick Johnson (puke)
Granderson

Nice lineup

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:40 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...


I'm so ticked off we didn't sign Lackey. We trade the Melk Man to get Vasquez and sign Nick ****in Johnson to replace Johnny Damon.

I'm up in the air about the Granderson thing
</p>


Granderson is too good of a guy to play for the Evil Empire.</p>

he'll fit in beautifully...

Granderson is the truth

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:40 PM
oyy do i have to go page by page? this is going to blooooow


dude go ahead... i said there is no Ace status pitchers...

ur going to crown Vazquez for one good year in the NL in his 8 year career as an Ace?

Your on crack. He will be an average pitcher next year... we could of got one of those in the FA market...

****, at least before the injury Sheets WAS an Ace... i'd rather roll the dice on him...

And wahts ur response to Lackey since he was brought up. Not only did we miss the boat on him, but probably gave Boston the best pitching staff in the league as a whole...


I'm so ticked off we didn't sign Lackey. We trade the Melk Man to get Vasquez and sign Nick ****in Johnson to replace Johnny Damon.

I'm up in the air about the Granderson thing
</p>


Granderson is too good of a guy to play for the Evil Empire.</p>

I hope we sign DeRosa. He's still a FA, right? He can play LF

Jeter
DeRosa
Tex
A-Rod
Posada
Robby Cano
Swish
Nick Johnson (puke)
Granderson

Nice lineup


i heard Dye is gonna be a Yankee... while i like Rosa... get me Jermaine Dye and that would be nuts

And Nick johnson is replacing Matsui

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 02:41 PM
http://www.soxualaddiction.com/images/yankees-suck-wally.gif

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:42 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:42 PM
http://s.mynicespace.com/myspacepic/105/th/10594.gif

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 02:43 PM
You don't mean that. You can play that **** here but I know how you feel...

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:43 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:44 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.
gotta start one or the other....

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:46 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury
you are so god damn negative when it comes to the yanks. if they dont have faith in anyone its joba and huges

lawl
01-06-2010, 02:46 PM
Lincecum will still go back to back to back Cy Young no prob


lol, your just the ULTIMATE GIANTS fan aren't u


Yea I picked the NY Giants as a kid then was like well I need a Baseball team so then i picked gthe Giants hah....My favorite though is the Tokyo Giants(jk)

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:48 PM
http://www.soxualaddiction.com/images/yankees-suck-wally.gif</P>


Looks like Wally is a bit dehydrated.</P>

JPizzack
01-06-2010, 02:48 PM
Are we adopting Playoff teams?! When I get home, I'm going Colts!! GO MANNING!

<FONT size=5>Maybe you like Peyton Manning....That guy's pretty good. If you like... six-five, 230-pound quarterbacks with a... laser rocket arm...

Maybe you like Peyton Manning's team, maybe...</FONT></P>


</P>


So when I get home, I'm changing my avi like yall ninjas, cuz im a sheep lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:48 PM
You don't mean that. You can play that **** here but I know how you feel...


i hate the lakers... u know exactly how i feel...

I hate ARtest cuz hes Michael Jackson supporter

I hate Kobe cuz hes a rapist and talks junk about Shaq

I hate Gasol cuz hes cream filled

I hate Bynum cuz every year we hear how legit he is then he pulls a GWilk

I like Odom...

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:48 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury


The thing I did not like about the Vasquez trade who is going to play LF? I think andy has one more good year left in the tank. And I agree with AJ he is due for an injury.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:49 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury
you are so god damn negative when it comes to the yanks. if they dont have faith in anyone its joba and huges


this coming from the guy that wanted us to cut the whole pitching staff and rotation after a week...

how am i negative? Because I dont love the Nick Johnson signing and I think there were better ways to go than trading Melky for Vas?

You'll never know what you got in Joba and Hughes unless you let them go unconditionally....

dont make me pull qoutes from the yankees thread

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:50 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury


The thing I did not like about the Vasquez trade who is going to play LF? I think andy has one more good year left in the tank. And I agree with AJ he is due for an injury.gardener is more then capable and started last year before he got injured and melks stepped up.

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:51 PM
http://www.soxualaddiction.com/images/yankees-suck-wally.gif

http://i47.tinypic.com/vqslna.jpg

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:52 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury


The thing I did not like about the Vasquez trade who is going to play LF? I think andy has one more good year left in the tank. And I agree with AJ he is due for an injury.

i think its come down to three guys: Mark Derosa, Jermaine Dye, or Johnny Damon

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:52 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury


The thing I did not like about the Vasquez trade who is going to play LF? I think andy has one more good year left in the tank. And I agree with AJ he is due for an injury.gardener is more then capable and started last year before he got injured and melks stepped up.


Gardner is a role player at best. I love his speed though

bandwgn86
01-06-2010, 02:53 PM
Pats if you are around, you have a PM sir!!</P>


PS i luv you.</P>

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 02:53 PM
<FONT size=6>Here's my adopted team.</FONT></P>


http://www.thumbplay.com/thumbsup/uploaded_images/Giants-765461.jpg</P>

lawl
01-06-2010, 02:53 PM
So the Yankees traded one of their worst hitters and got a legit 2-3 pitcher and people dont like the trade? uh what

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:54 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury
you are so god damn negative when it comes to the yanks. if they dont have faith in anyone its joba and huges


this coming from the guy that wanted us to cut the whole pitching staff and rotation after a week...

how am i negative? Because I dont love the Nick Johnson signing and I think there were better ways to go than trading Melky for Vas?

You'll never know what you got in Joba and Hughes unless you let them go unconditionally....

dont make me pull qoutes from the yankees thread
i didnt like the nick johnson signing either. when did i want to "cut the whole pitching staff after a week"? yea please find that for me. maybe i was wasted.
lol you just have this negative attitude, more so today.
and iv always said joba shouldnt have any rules and that were babying the both of them so im confused as to why you think i think otherwise.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:55 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury


The thing I did not like about the Vasquez trade who is going to play LF? I think andy has one more good year left in the tank. And I agree with AJ he is due for an injury.gardener is more then capable and started last year before he got injured and melks stepped up.


You need to go check the facts again... he lost his starting job WAY before he got injured


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=29174

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:56 PM
So the Yankees traded one of their worst hitters and got a legit 2-3 pitcher and people dont like the trade? uh what
welcome to my world.

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 02:57 PM
You don't mean that. You can play that **** here but I know how you feel...


i hate the lakers... u know exactly how i feel...

I hate ARtest cuz hes Michael Jackson supporter

<font color="#0000ff">You used to like him until you stopped for a stupid reason. ( MJ never brought to trial about touching kids and now the main kid comes out and says his dad made him do it. Sleeping with kids is wierd but we have gone over this. You have got to kill that. </font>

I hate Kobe cuz hes a rapist and talks junk about Shaq

<font color="#0000ff">When are you going to kill this? He didn't rape anyone, he was never brought to trial and I don't think he even paid a settlement. Shaq and Tiger are worse than Kobe, 5 year relationships plus cheating!?!? Open your eyes Matt. Kill that to.</font>

I hate Gasol cuz hes cream filled
<font color="#0000ff">
Top 3 PF in the game. Many analysts and fellow players have said he is the best in the game. Soft as a pillow and the dude needs his hamstrings checked. lol</font>

I hate Bynum cuz every year we hear how legit he is then he pulls a GWilk

<font color="#0000ff">He has been injured every year. Just remember what I said. If he stays healthy he will average 20 and 10. The kid has never had a chance to play 82 games and he is still very young. He will shed that nickname that you gave him. Soon you will just refer to him as the starting center in the all star game. </font>

I like Odom...

<font color="#0000ff">Me to. 17 pts 19 rbs and 9 assists last night. Damn! I am so happy we got him back. </font>

P.S. I love you

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 02:58 PM
<font size="6">Here's my adopted team.</font></p>


http://www.thumbplay.com/thumbsup/uploaded_images/Giants-765461.jpg</p>
Seriously right. HOMOS!!!

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 02:58 PM
So the Yankees traded one of their worst hitters and got a legit 2-3 pitcher and people dont like the trade? uh what


more like 4th starter, that could possibly range to the 3 or the 5


Melky was only getting better, a force in the field, and had timely and clutch hitting

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 02:59 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury


The thing I did not like about the Vasquez trade who is going to play LF? I think andy has one more good year left in the tank. And I agree with AJ he is due for an injury.gardener is more then capable and started last year before he got injured and melks stepped up.


You need to go check the facts again... he lost his starting job WAY before he got injured


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=29174
lol matt this is like showing me an high school attendance sheet. where do you see he was benched? it doesnt even say he was injured.

ny06
01-06-2010, 02:59 PM
So the Yankees traded one of their worst hitters and got a legit 2-3 pitcher and people dont like the trade? uh what


more like 4th starter, that could possibly range to the 3 or the 5


Melky was only getting better, a force in the field, and had timely and clutch hitting


I was a little upset when we lost milk man. Young can play every pos in the outfield.

bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 03:00 PM
http://www.soxualaddiction.com/images/yankees-suck-wally.gif

http://i47.tinypic.com/vqslna.jpg
http://www.americasbestmyspacecomments.com/graphics/attitude/4/pics_jesus-hates-the-yankees.jpg

LT= Lawrence Taylor
01-06-2010, 03:00 PM
Yeah, I don't like the idea of Gardner starting... he sorta sucked in April and Melky took the job back and never gave it up until he got hurt in the World Series.

I would have much rather signed Lackey to be the 3rd or 4th starter and had Melky-Granderson-Swish be our outfield. Woulda made a ton more sense

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:01 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury
you are so god damn negative when it comes to the yanks. if they dont have faith in anyone its joba and huges


this coming from the guy that wanted us to cut the whole pitching staff and rotation after a week...

how am i negative? Because I dont love the Nick Johnson signing and I think there were better ways to go than trading Melky for Vas?

You'll never know what you got in Joba and Hughes unless you let them go unconditionally....

dont make me pull qoutes from the yankees thread
i didnt like the nick johnson signing either. when did i want to "cut the whole pitching staff after a week"? yea please find that for me. maybe i was wasted.
lol you just have this negative attitude, more so today.
and iv always said joba shouldnt have any rules and that were babying the both of them so im confused as to why you think i think otherwise.



Lol im honestly not gonna waste the time looking for when you were doing your crying... you were ready to disband the whole bullpen and were ready to kill Burnett. We weren't even mid way to may yet... so you have a timetable if you want to go look.

Again, im not sure how im negative because I didnt like a signing and thought there were better roads to take to get a starting pitcher

dezzzR
01-06-2010, 03:04 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury
you are so god damn negative when it comes to the yanks. if they dont have faith in anyone its joba and huges


this coming from the guy that wanted us to cut the whole pitching staff and rotation after a week...

how am i negative? Because I dont love the Nick Johnson signing and I think there were better ways to go than trading Melky for Vas?

You'll never know what you got in Joba and Hughes unless you let them go unconditionally....

dont make me pull qoutes from the yankees thread
i didnt like the nick johnson signing either. when did i want to "cut the whole pitching staff after a week"? yea please find that for me. maybe i was wasted.
lol you just have this negative attitude, more so today.
and iv always said joba shouldnt have any rules and that were babying the both of them so im confused as to why you think i think otherwise.



Lol im honestly not gonna waste the time looking for when you were doing your crying... you were ready to disband the whole bullpen and were ready to kill Burnett. We weren't even mid way to may yet... so you have a timetable if you want to go look.

Again, im not sure how im negative because I didnt like a signing and thought there were better roads to take to get a starting pitcher


kill aj......[8-)]? i dont remember that. lol hahaha if anything i didnt like cc, even though he was doing pretty good. you know me, ill eat crow when im wrong. you on the other hand.......

ny06
01-06-2010, 03:05 PM
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MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:05 PM
You don't mean that. You can play that **** here but I know how you feel...


i hate the lakers... u know exactly how i feel...

I hate ARtest cuz hes Michael Jackson supporter

<font color="#0000ff">You used to like him until you stopped for a stupid reason. ( MJ never brought to trial about touching kids and now the main kid comes out and says his dad made him do it. Sleeping with kids is wierd but we have gone over this. You have got to kill that. </font>

I hate Kobe cuz hes a rapist and talks junk about Shaq

<font color="#0000ff">When are you going to kill this? He didn't rape anyone, he was never brought to trial and I don't think he even paid a settlement. Shaq and Tiger are worse than Kobe, 5 year relationships plus cheating!?!? Open your eyes Matt. Kill that to.</font>

I hate Gasol cuz hes cream filled
<font color="#0000ff">
Top 3 PF in the game. Many analysts and fellow players have said he is the best in the game. Soft as a pillow and the dude needs his hamstrings checked. lol</font>

I hate Bynum cuz every year we hear how legit he is then he pulls a GWilk

<font color="#0000ff">He has been injured every year. Just remember what I said. If he stays healthy he will average 20 and 10. The kid has never had a chance to play 82 games and he is still very young. He will shed that nickname that you gave him. Soon you will just refer to him as the starting center in the all star game. </font>

I like Odom...

<font color="#0000ff">Me to. 17 pts 19 rbs and 9 assists last night. Damn! I am so happy we got him back. </font>

P.S. I love you


oh thats right, MJ just "slept" with the kids. Thats just like me, i don't smoke pot, but i buy it, roll it, and leave it on my night stand.

Did Kobe get Shaq run out of town? Waiting for ur response to that.

I never said he wasn't good but I can't stomach his hair, his game, or his European attitude... tell him that in America when we shower, we don't let the water just hit our head... we use Shampoo

Bynum is a product of being around 3 big allstars and a do - it all guy like Odom.... hes good just over hyped and would be average if he played any where else. Plus the level of competition between centers is a joke in todays NBA... most are just converted PFs

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 03:13 PM
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MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:16 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury


The thing I did not like about the Vasquez trade who is going to play LF? I think andy has one more good year left in the tank. And I agree with AJ he is due for an injury.gardener is more then capable and started last year before he got injured and melks stepped up.


You need to go check the facts again... he lost his starting job WAY before he got injured


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=29174
lol matt this is like showing me an high school attendance sheet. where do you see he was benched? it doesnt even say he was injured.


i'll break it down for you jsut so u know ur wrong, even tho ur a lazy ***** for not clicking on the GAME LOG.


FIRST off Gardener didn't get injured until July 26th in the season. You can tell this because it says DID NOT PLAY next to his stats until Sept 7th.

Breakdown

First 14 games of the year APR 6 -APR 21... he started 13 games... so i guess ur right, he did start 13 of 14 games so he was the starter there where he mustered up a big .240 BA and started to be benched from there on out. You can tell the games he start by the ABs he had (yes i am lookin at walks when i do this)

The Rest of April (22-30th) - he started 2 of the 7 games

May: He did not play in 6 games. Not ALL of them were due to injury. Of the 28 games he DEF didn't start in 9 of them and he didn't play in another 6 of them. So he started 13 games in May

June: Did not play in 2 games. Out of 26 games DEF didn't start 10 of them, missed 2 of them. So he started 14 games out of 26...

In July until the 27th (last game before injury): Missed 3 games, didn't start 7 games, so that means he started, so he started 11 of 21 games...

These are not starters numbers, he was a platoon member... so lets not act like he was our guy until he got injured.... cuz I bet if i do Melkys numbers they equal if not better

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:17 PM
I want Vasquez from last year. Not the one when he was on the yankees last time.

Vaz will def not even come close to that from last year... the NL to AL jump for pitchers is a well documented transition...

Not saying hes gonna be as bad as he was with the yanks a couple years back (i hope), but i will guarantee he will be closer to that in era than he will be to what he did last year


The one thing I do like about him is he eats innings and he has a high strikeout rate. If he can give us 12-18 wins this season I will be pleased. How bout Matt Holliday getting 7 yrs 120 milliion? I think they way over paid for him

Yea he does, but I mean guys have to breakdown eventually. And quite frankly, I want to know whats up with Hughes in the rotation. Are we going to use him as a starter or not?

All i've heard is that we were and we know Joba is getting another year in the rotation and we aren't going to **** around with him this year. Hes gonna be treated like a normal pitcher.

I mean lets say Vas does play to par... when are we gonna see Hughes?


Hughes has the stuff to be a starter. I think it is time to put him in the starting rotation. It is about time they took the training wheels off Joba.

yea me too... which really confuses the hell out of me as to why we made the move for Vasquez. I think we just don't have faith that Andy will hold up and that Burnett is due for an injury
you are so god damn negative when it comes to the yanks. if they dont have faith in anyone its joba and huges


this coming from the guy that wanted us to cut the whole pitching staff and rotation after a week...

how am i negative? Because I dont love the Nick Johnson signing and I think there were better ways to go than trading Melky for Vas?

You'll never know what you got in Joba and Hughes unless you let them go unconditionally....

dont make me pull qoutes from the yankees thread
i didnt like the nick johnson signing either. when did i want to "cut the whole pitching staff after a week"? yea please find that for me. maybe i was wasted.
lol you just have this negative attitude, more so today.
and iv always said joba shouldnt have any rules and that were babying the both of them so im confused as to why you think i think otherwise.



Lol im honestly not gonna waste the time looking for when you were doing your crying... you were ready to disband the whole bullpen and were ready to kill Burnett. We weren't even mid way to may yet... so you have a timetable if you want to go look.

Again, im not sure how im negative because I didnt like a signing and thought there were better roads to take to get a starting pitcher


kill aj......[8-)]? i dont remember that. lol hahaha if anything i didnt like cc, even though he was doing pretty good. you know me, ill eat crow when im wrong. you on the other hand.......


i apologize, it might been CC... i knew it was one of the new pitchers we got last year...

give me soemthing to eat crow on... i'll do it... but u got nothin

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:18 PM
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wow, i guess its true...

The Red Sox really do wish they were the Yankees

thanks for clearing it up Pappy

ny06
01-06-2010, 03:19 PM
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Morehead State
01-06-2010, 03:20 PM
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wow, i guess its true...

The Red Sox really do wish they were the Yankees

thanks for clearing it up Pappy
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bigblue4417
01-06-2010, 03:20 PM
Did Kobe get Shaq run out of town? Waiting for ur response to that.




200304 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season),
O'Neal and Bryant began feuding once more. The opening salvo, at least
publicly, came from O'Neal at the start of the Lakers' pre-season
training camp. With Bryant absent from camp due to his legal situation
and his recovery from knee surgery, O'Neal answered questions about the
Lakers' not having their whole team together yet in camp by pointedly
insisting that the whole team was in fact there. Though never
mentioning Bryant by name, O'Neal's comments seemed clearly intended to
belittle Bryant's importance to the team.O'Neal then responded that he would voice his opinions as he saw fit because the Lakers were <font color="#0000ff">his</font>
team. He said that if Bryant, who would be a free agent at the season's
end, didn't like what O'Neal had to say, Bryant should just leave the
team.

After the loss to the Pistons in the Finals, the division between O'Neal and Bryant came to a
head. At the news conference after the final game, <font color="#0000ff">O'Neal addressed</font> the
uncertainty around Coach Phil Jackson's now-expired contract, and
Bryant's impending free agency, <font color="#0000ff">which meant either or both might not
return to the Lakers the next season.</font> With regard to the issue of
people possibly leaving the team, O'Neal commented that he understood
that everyone would need to do what was best for themselves, then
adding<font color="#0000ff"> "including me"</font>. That last comment was telling because there had
previously been no significant speculation about O'Neal's future with
the team, as he was under contract with the Lakers for two more years.

Eventually
Jackson, a favorite of O'Neal, was not offered a new contract by the
Lakers. Many sports analysts and spectators assumed that this was
because of Bryant, who had at times voiced displeasure with Jackson's
offensive scheme. <font size="4" color="#0000ff">O'Neal,</font> who wasn't notified of the move and learned
of it by watching television, <font size="4" color="#0000ff">asked for a trade</font>, making it clear that
he felt the Laker organization was making moves designed primarily to
placate Bryant. Bryant, meanwhile, <font color="#0000ff">was involved in discussions with the Los Angeles Clippers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Clippers),
making it urgent for the Lakers to choose between the two players.</font>
Bryant re-signed with the Lakers soon after, and O'Neal's demand was
soon indulged, as he was sent to the Miami Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Heat) for Lamar Odom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_Odom), Caron Butler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caron_Butler), Brian Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Grant) and a first-round draft pick.

Bryant
also stated that O'Neal would pay women up to US$1 million to stay
quiet about their rendezvous. It also was reported that investigators
had told O'Neal of Bryant's supposed statements shortly after the
investigation had begun.</p>
O'Neal denied these claims, stating that Bryant had no idea about
O'Neal's personal business since the two of them rarely spent any time
together. O'Neal went as far as to say that he "[wasn't] the one buying
love, [Bryant was] the one buying love" <font color="#0000ff">OH REALLY SHAQ!!!</font>
<font size="4" color="#800080">
ANYTHING ELSE CUPCAKE?</font>

I am sure you will say Kobe would only resign if Shaq was gone. No, Kobe didn't run Shaq out of LA. Jerry Buss made the decision. 30 something old center or young great player. It is not difficult. Shaq got another ring thanks solely to DWade and has not done **** since. Kobe will finish with more rings than Shaq. Everyone knows they made the right decision. Kobe didn't run Shaq out of town. I never want to hear you utter those words again, nor that he raped someone. Thank you.

CASE CLOSED!!!

lawl
01-06-2010, 03:21 PM
So the Yankees traded one of their worst hitters and got a legit 2-3 pitcher and people dont like the trade? uh what


more like 4th starter, that could possibly range to the 3 or the 5


Melky was only getting better, a force in the field, and had timely and clutch hitting


either way its still better value, being a "clutch" hitter and not so good the rest of the time is awful reasoning for thinking someone is good

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 03:21 PM
Did Kobe get Shaq run out of town? Waiting for ur response to that.




200304 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), O'Neal and Bryant began feuding once more. The opening salvo, at least publicly, came from O'Neal at the start of the Lakers' pre-season training camp. With Bryant absent from camp due to his legal situation and his recovery from knee surgery, O'Neal answered questions about the Lakers' not having their whole team together yet in camp by pointedly insisting that the whole team was in fact there. Though never mentioning Bryant by name, O'Neal's comments seemed clearly intended to belittle Bryant's importance to the team.O'Neal then responded that he would voice his opinions as he saw fit because the Lakers were <FONT color=#0000ff>his</FONT> team. He said that if Bryant, who would be a free agent at the season's end, didn't like what O'Neal had to say, Bryant should just leave the team.

After the loss to the Pistons in the Finals, the division between O'Neal and Bryant came to a head. At the news conference after the final game, <FONT color=#0000ff>O'Neal addressed</FONT> the uncertainty around Coach Phil Jackson's now-expired contract, and Bryant's impending free agency, <FONT color=#0000ff>which meant either or both might not return to the Lakers the next season.</FONT> With regard to the issue of people possibly leaving the team, O'Neal commented that he understood that everyone would need to do what was best for themselves, then adding<FONT color=#0000ff> "including me"</FONT>. That last comment was telling because there had previously been no significant speculation about O'Neal's future with the team, as he was under contract with the Lakers for two more years.

Eventually Jackson, a favorite of O'Neal, was not offered a new contract by the Lakers. Many sports analysts and spectators assumed that this was because of Bryant, who had at times voiced displeasure with Jackson's offensive scheme. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>O'Neal,</FONT> who wasn't notified of the move and learned of it by watching television, <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>asked for a trade</FONT>, making it clear that he felt the Laker organization was making moves designed primarily to placate Bryant. Bryant, meanwhile, <FONT color=#0000ff>was involved in discussions with the Los Angeles Clippers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Clippers), making it urgent for the Lakers to choose between the two players.</FONT> Bryant re-signed with the Lakers soon after, and O'Neal's demand was soon indulged, as he was sent to the Miami Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Heat) for Lamar Odom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_Odom), Caron Butler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caron_Butler), Brian Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Grant) and a first-round draft pick.


Bryant also stated that O'Neal would pay women up to US$1 million to stay quiet about their rendezvous. It also was reported that investigators had told O'Neal of Bryant's supposed statements shortly after the investigation had begun.</P>


O'Neal denied these claims, stating that Bryant had no idea about O'Neal's personal business since the two of them rarely spent any time together. O'Neal went as far as to say that he "[wasn't] the one buying love, [Bryant was] the one buying love" <FONT color=#0000ff>OH REALLY SHAQ!!!</FONT>
<FONT color=#800080 size=4>
ANYTHING ELSE CUPCAKE?</FONT>

I am sure you will say Kobe would only resign if Shaq was gone. No, Kobe didn't run Shaq out of LA. Jerry Buss made the decision. 30 something old center or young great player. It is not difficult. Shaq got another ring thanks solely to DWade and has not done **** since. Kobe will finish with more rings than Shaq. Everyone knows they made the right decision. Kobe didn't run Shaq out of town. I never want to hear you utter those words again, nor that he raped someone. Thank you.

CASE CLOSED!!!
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I can't keep all the battles going on at once in this thread straight.</P>

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:24 PM
So the Yankees traded one of their worst hitters and got a legit 2-3 pitcher and people dont like the trade? uh what


more like 4th starter, that could possibly range to the 3 or the 5


Melky was only getting better, a force in the field, and had timely and clutch hitting


either way its still better value, being a "clutch" hitter and not so good the rest of the time is awful reasoning for thinking someone is good


only seeing batting average is horrible way for thinking somebody is good, unless you want them to be ur DH.

He was great fielder for us that was a weapon in our OF... not to mention batting .270 isn't really "horrible", especially when you have a lineup in front of him like they do. .270 would be your Third highest batting average on the San Fran Giants. ****, Melky might be ur number two hitter lol

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:25 PM
Did Kobe get Shaq run out of town? Waiting for ur response to that.




200304 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), O'Neal and Bryant began feuding once more. The opening salvo, at least publicly, came from O'Neal at the start of the Lakers' pre-season training camp. With Bryant absent from camp due to his legal situation and his recovery from knee surgery, O'Neal answered questions about the Lakers' not having their whole team together yet in camp by pointedly insisting that the whole team was in fact there. Though never mentioning Bryant by name, O'Neal's comments seemed clearly intended to belittle Bryant's importance to the team.O'Neal then responded that he would voice his opinions as he saw fit because the Lakers were <font color="#0000ff">his</font> team. He said that if Bryant, who would be a free agent at the season's end, didn't like what O'Neal had to say, Bryant should just leave the team.

After the loss to the Pistons in the Finals, the division between O'Neal and Bryant came to a head. At the news conference after the final game, <font color="#0000ff">O'Neal addressed</font> the uncertainty around Coach Phil Jackson's now-expired contract, and Bryant's impending free agency, <font color="#0000ff">which meant either or both might not return to the Lakers the next season.</font> With regard to the issue of people possibly leaving the team, O'Neal commented that he understood that everyone would need to do what was best for themselves, then adding<font color="#0000ff"> "including me"</font>. That last comment was telling because there had previously been no significant speculation about O'Neal's future with the team, as he was under contract with the Lakers for two more years.

Eventually Jackson, a favorite of O'Neal, was not offered a new contract by the Lakers. Many sports analysts and spectators assumed that this was because of Bryant, who had at times voiced displeasure with Jackson's offensive scheme. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">O'Neal,</font> who wasn't notified of the move and learned of it by watching television, <font color="#0000ff" size="4">asked for a trade</font>, making it clear that he felt the Laker organization was making moves designed primarily to placate Bryant. Bryant, meanwhile, <font color="#0000ff">was involved in discussions with the Los Angeles Clippers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Clippers), making it urgent for the Lakers to choose between the two players.</font> Bryant re-signed with the Lakers soon after, and O'Neal's demand was soon indulged, as he was sent to the Miami Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Heat) for Lamar Odom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_Odom), Caron Butler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caron_Butler), Brian Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Grant) and a first-round draft pick.


Bryant also stated that O'Neal would pay women up to US$1 million to stay quiet about their rendezvous. It also was reported that investigators had told O'Neal of Bryant's supposed statements shortly after the investigation had begun.</p>


O'Neal denied these claims, stating that Bryant had no idea about O'Neal's personal business since the two of them rarely spent any time together. O'Neal went as far as to say that he "[wasn't] the one buying love, [Bryant was] the one buying love" <font color="#0000ff">OH REALLY SHAQ!!!</font>
<font color="#800080" size="4">
ANYTHING ELSE CUPCAKE?</font>

I am sure you will say Kobe would only resign if Shaq was gone. No, Kobe didn't run Shaq out of LA. Jerry Buss made the decision. 30 something old center or young great player. It is not difficult. Shaq got another ring thanks solely to DWade and has not done **** since. Kobe will finish with more rings than Shaq. Everyone knows they made the right decision. Kobe didn't run Shaq out of town. I never want to hear you utter those words again, nor that he raped someone. Thank you.

CASE CLOSED!!!
</p>


I can't keep all the battles going on at once in this thread straight.</p>

simply said:

Kobe is a doody head

and Shaq is the truth

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 03:26 PM
Can we all agree than anyone coined a "socialite" has no value at all to society.

MattMeyerBud
01-06-2010, 03:27 PM
Can we all agree than anyone coined a "socialite" has no value at all to society.

i can concur with that

ny06
01-06-2010, 03:28 PM
I want to ask red sox fans. Who is going to replace Bay? And please dont say Jeremy Hermida

Morehead State
01-06-2010, 03:28 PM
Can we all agree than anyone coined a "socialite" has no value at all to society.

i can concur with that
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I accept and appreciate your concurrance.</P>