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dezzzR
03-30-2010, 11:54 AM
dezz or anybody, did u ever save that fake jersey site i gave u guys?

nah sorry, i got mine from fansedge. bit expensive but they have everything there. and if you buy a jersey they start e mailing you 30% off your next jersey, so something to consider. whos jersey you want?


well I was gonna get the cheap jerseys just cuz its almost summer i've gotten too fat for my old bball jerseys, gonna have to show off the new tat im gonna get. How much do they go for on fansedge?
</p>


nfljerseysworld.us </p>


thats what you sent me Matt....i saved the address in my email</p>

u da man pizz thats exactly what i was lookin for..

dezz thats madness to spend 220 on jerseys..

im gonna spend 220 and get about ten jerseys lol
depends on what your looking for. a REAL jersey or the ones where the numbers start pealing off after the 5th time in the wash. they have those their too for between 20 and 70.


i've worn my Boss jersey prolly 30 times, its still good poppo
i bet it smells like poppo too.
http://monsterguide.net/how-to-wash-clothes

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 11:54 AM
I am hoping the eagles trade Mcnabb to the raiders. Please eagles mgt make that deal...</P>


not me... ughh. he is such a loser. he will never win a big game....... the eagles will never win with him and i would like to keep that streak alive.. i really want him to stay in philly.. that low life peice of ****.</P>


well i wouldnt mind playing kolb or vick although vick deff wont start. was it lando that posted that article that said vick was constantly throwing 5 yards over wrs??
</P>


yea but who said Vick could throw anyway? uhhh NO ONE! lol
who cares.....Kolb will start, it's already a given. Vick isnt the kind of QB the eagles want. not why theyve pursued WRs for the past 2 seasons. </P>


</P>


the giants have been good with shutting down vick however the dude has speed and that scares me. the eagles WRs are gross too... like i said its hard to give anything belonging to that team credit but jackson is gross... hes so fast. maclins fast and vick is fast. i dont like how much speed that offense has.so vick has the speed, if kolb ends up having the arm then the duo might not be as easy to overlook as some of you are thinking.</P>

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 11:57 AM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 11:59 AM
I am hoping the eagles trade Mcnabb to the raiders. Please eagles mgt make that deal...</p>


not me... ughh. he is such a loser. he will never win a big game....... the eagles will never win with him and i would like to keep that streak alive.. i really want him to stay in philly.. that low life peice of ****.</p>


well i wouldnt mind playing kolb or vick although vick deff wont start. was it lando that posted that article that said vick was constantly throwing 5 yards over wrs??
</p>


yea but who said Vick could throw anyway? uhhh NO ONE! lol
who cares.....Kolb will start, it's already a given. Vick isnt the kind of QB the eagles want. not why theyve pursued WRs for the past 2 seasons. </p>


</p>


the giants have been good with shutting down vick however the dude has speed and that scares me. the eagles WRs are gross too... like i said its hard to give anything belonging to that team credit but jackson is gross... hes so fast. maclins fast and vick is fast. i dont like how much speed that offense has.so vick has the speed, if kolb ends up having the arm then the duo might not be as easy to overlook as some of you are thinking.</p>vicks speed is over rated. EVERYTHING about vick is over rated! hes a nobody and will remain so, hes lucky he got any playing time at all. its not like vicks going to go out and start catching tds, nor will they turn him into a running back. vicks career is dying a slow death

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 12:01 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan
McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi
Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in
the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:02 PM
I am hoping the eagles trade Mcnabb to the raiders. Please eagles mgt make that deal...</p>


not me... ughh. he is such a loser. he will never win a big game....... the eagles will never win with him and i would like to keep that streak alive.. i really want him to stay in philly.. that low life peice of ****.</p>

I don't like him as much as the next rival fan does. But he has our number, and if we can get a player who plays well against us out of the division I am all for it. As for Kolb the Eagles mgt are praying that he is the next Aaron Rodgers

not a shot in hell lol...

Rodgers is the truth

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 12:04 PM
I am hoping the eagles trade Mcnabb to the raiders.

Please eagles mgt make that deal...i actually herd on mike and mike......................................"maybe the steelers".......lol


which Mike said that? the fat one or the skinny one lollol deff skinny mike. haha i like him but sometimes, ehhh most of the time i want to slap him.

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 12:06 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</P>


thats insane.........</P>

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:07 PM
For the past 10 years ive known that I will not be recieving Social Security when I'm old and retired etc.
I'll try not to generalize, but im going to do it anyway. Old people have no idea how well they have it. Theyve contributed to SS, sure...we all have...but do you think at their rate of pay back then, that they are getting what the put in? **** no! They get increases, and after collecting for 10 years, they have gotten paid WAY more than they have put in. So who gets hurt? ME.....we are the ones getting raped for money that WE WILL NEVER SEE.
So lets combine that with the fact that companies dont give pensions anymore. You want a retirement plan, then you better contribute your paycheck into one! So you have these 60-70 year old people who are getting well paid after retirement. Me on the other hand, I'll have to live off IRAs and retirement plans WHICH I DONT EVEN ****ING HAVE, because who can afford to work, pay living expenses, feed themselves and their family, pay taxes out of their paychecks(including SS which I'm supporting elderly people with), AND take money out of their checks for retirement plans!?!?!?! I dont have that kind of expendable income. and what little expendable income I DO have, wont make it worth my while to contribute elsewhere.

We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

What a cycle, eh? lol =]

This rant brought to you by:
The United States of America .</P>


lol</P>

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 12:08 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</p>


thats insane.........</p>good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 12:12 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</P>


thats insane.........</P>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</P>


ummm... 2.5</P>

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:13 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</P>


thats insane.........</P>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</P>


ummm... 2.5</P>


</P>


someone isnt sweatin the Manningham peepee</P>

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 12:14 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</p>


thats insane.........</p>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</p>


ummm... 2.5</p>


</p>


someone isnt sweatin the Manningham peepee</p>you know what, neither am i. ill give her 2.5. manningham has room for improvement

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 12:14 PM
We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

</p>
I can't even tell you how many of my friends are thousands of dollars in debt from school loans, not working in their field and people like myself make alot more with no college experience at all. I hate that so bad and you just nailed it on the head.

Now, companies are getting rid of people that make the higher end of the pay scale to higher people cheaper that can save them money. My wifes sister just lost her job for that reason. She was making 14, they fired her and brought someone in to do her job for 10 an hour.

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:17 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</P>


thats insane.........</P>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</P>


ummm... 2.5</P>


</P>


someone isnt sweatin the Manningham peepee</P>


you know what, neither am i. ill give her 2.5. manningham has room for improvement
</P>


agreed....but, it's great to have him as that deep option. it doesnt get much better for the price, would you agree? He'll improve! very much so!</P>

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 12:18 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 12:19 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</P>


thats insane.........</P>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</P>


ummm... 2.5</P>


</P>


someone isnt sweatin the Manningham peepee</P>


</P>


i mean i dont hate the guy... i just think hes overrated and its annoying how 60+% of fans sweat him so hard when he really hasnt done THAT much to prove himself...but w/e.. my babyis starting over him so i cant really say much, hes def a good #3</P>

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 12:20 PM
We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

</p>
I can't even tell you how many of my friends are thousands of dollars in debt from school loans, not working in their field and people like myself make alot more with no college experience at all. I hate that so bad and you just nailed it on the head.

Now, companies are getting rid of people that make the higher end of the pay scale to higher people cheaper that can save them money. My wifes sister just lost her job for that reason. She was making 14, they fired her and brought someone in to do her job for 10 an hour.


Lol yea but at least we're safe from Iraq now. lol

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 12:22 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage"><font size="3">NYG made a big splash for Chris Canty last yr. Well Canty, took home $47,480.62 per snap in 2009</font></h6>
[*-)]

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:23 PM
We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

</P>



I can't even tell you how many of my friends are thousands of dollars in debt from school loans, not working in their field and people like myself make alot more with no college experience at all. I hate that so bad and you just nailed it on the head.

Now, companies are getting rid of people that make the higher end of the pay scale to higher people cheaper that can save them money. My wifes sister just lost her job for that reason. She was making 14, they fired her and brought someone in to do her job for 10 an hour.
</P>


Sometimes I get kind of depressed....like...where is my life going? I'm 26, havent finished school cuz i cant afford to go to school as the same time as living normally....my job is "ok" but doesnt pay what i feel it should....and I wont have much advancement b/c i havent finished school....
you know so I start thinking about it more...but then im like...wait a second. I live in the most expensive state in the country, work full time for a respectable company, have lived on my own since I was 19 years old, and im not a junkie, not a criminal, i own a nice car, live in a nice house, in a great town, and I have fun on a regular basis. I'd say I have it pretty good for someone who is forced to live paycheck to paycheck more or less, what do you think??? =]</P>

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:24 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage><FONT size=3>NYG made a big splash for Chris Canty last yr. Well Canty, took home $47,480.62 per snap in 2009</FONT></H6>



[*-)]
</P>


haha so is that every snap HE was in on, or just in general? he took what? 5 plays? =P</P>


WASTE!</P>


I DEMAND A BIG YEAR FROM HIM!
****ER!!!</P>

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 12:25 PM
We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

</P>



I can't even tell you how many of my friends are thousands of dollars in debt from school loans, not working in their field and people like myself make alot more with no college experience at all. I hate that so bad and you just nailed it on the head.

Now, companies are getting rid of people that make the higher end of the pay scale to higher people cheaper that can save them money. My wifes sister just lost her job for that reason. She was making 14, they fired her and brought someone in to do her job for 10 an hour.
</P>


Sometimes I get kind of depressed....like...where is my life going? I'm 26, havent finished school cuz i cant afford to go to school as the same time as living normally....my job is "ok" but doesnt pay what i feel it should....and I wont have much advancement b/c i havent finished school....
you know so I start thinking about it more...but then im like...wait a second. I live in the most expensive state in the country, work full time for a respectable company, have lived on my own since I was 19 years old, and im not a junkie, not a criminal, i own a nice car, live in a nice house, in a great town, and I have fun on a regular basis. I'd say I have it pretty good for someone who is forced to live paycheck to paycheck more or less, what do you think??? =]</P>


</P>


i am literally in the exact same boat cept im 24 the only thing is... this is great for now but where is my life actually going. i hate the real world.</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:25 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>

i don't care who disagrees with the facts.

Over long term it will be a money maker... u gotta spend money to make money. People are in denial if they think that Insurance companies aren't the biggest money makers in the world. Everybody will still have the choice for private healthcare.... if they choose.

Its the conspiracy theorists who proclaim this country is in socialism that are pumping this drivel.

We've had to come to this point from those before us.

The fake numbers that have been thrown around: 80 % of people have insurance. No, its 80% of people who HAVE insurance are happy with it. And whats the focus group of where this sample size was taken from? How many americans ACTUALLY have insurance?

The other funny fake number was that Insurnace Companies only grow 4% ever year... AFTER overhead. People seem to forget that part of it. AKA after the fat cats get paid... this money will all be profit. Whatever, its going to go thru, this country will be better for it. These old cats ask where this country went to, I say why wasn't this question being asked for the past 20-25 years.



My brother AND my boss both had trips to canada where they needed medical attention, they walked in and out and were fine....

Don't buy into the scares of it all. We have Canadians (who aren't socialists) all telling us we're crazy for hating this idea.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:27 PM
dezz or anybody, did u ever save that fake jersey site i gave u guys?

nah sorry, i got mine from fansedge. bit expensive but they have everything there. and if you buy a jersey they start e mailing you 30% off your next jersey, so something to consider. whos jersey you want?


well I was gonna get the cheap jerseys just cuz its almost summer i've gotten too fat for my old bball jerseys, gonna have to show off the new tat im gonna get. How much do they go for on fansedge?
</p>


nfljerseysworld.us </p>


thats what you sent me Matt....i saved the address in my email</p>

u da man pizz thats exactly what i was lookin for..

dezz thats madness to spend 220 on jerseys..

im gonna spend 220 and get about ten jerseys lol
depends on what your looking for. a REAL jersey or the ones where the numbers start pealing off after the 5th time in the wash. they have those their too for between 20 and 70.


i've worn my Boss jersey prolly 30 times, its still good poppo
i bet it smells like poppo too.
http://monsterguide.net/how-to-wash-clothes


****s fresh bro

don't hate cuz u waste ton of dough on something useless lol..

"AUTHENTIC" lol just a word to charge u 10x its value...

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 12:27 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage><FONT size=3>NYG made a big splash for Chris Canty last yr. Well Canty, took home $47,480.62 per snap in 2009</FONT></H6>



[*-)]
</P>


haha so is that every snap HE was in on, or just in general? he took what? 5 plays? =P</P>


WASTE!</P>


I DEMAND A BIG YEAR FROM HIM!
****ER!!!</P>


</P>


i hope so damn it..... ughh (knocking on my wooden desk) i really am convinced the giants are the most injury prone team in the ****ing NFL tho</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:28 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan
McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi
Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in
the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!


if thats the case then I can't blame the Eagles at all

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:29 PM
For the past 10 years ive known that I will not be recieving Social Security when I'm old and retired etc.
I'll try not to generalize, but im going to do it anyway. Old people have no idea how well they have it. Theyve contributed to SS, sure...we all have...but do you think at their rate of pay back then, that they are getting what the put in? **** no! They get increases, and after collecting for 10 years, they have gotten paid WAY more than they have put in. So who gets hurt? ME.....we are the ones getting raped for money that WE WILL NEVER SEE.
So lets combine that with the fact that companies dont give pensions anymore. You want a retirement plan, then you better contribute your paycheck into one! So you have these 60-70 year old people who are getting well paid after retirement. Me on the other hand, I'll have to live off IRAs and retirement plans WHICH I DONT EVEN ****ING HAVE, because who can afford to work, pay living expenses, feed themselves and their family, pay taxes out of their paychecks(including SS which I'm supporting elderly people with), AND take money out of their checks for retirement plans!?!?!?! I dont have that kind of expendable income. and what little expendable income I DO have, wont make it worth my while to contribute elsewhere.

We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

What a cycle, eh? lol =]

This rant brought to you by:
The United States of America .</p>


lol</p>

and your closing sentence just proves the fact that we need national healthcare...

thats the problem with anybody whose against this, they are short sighted. There is no ****in overnight answers for the **** we're in as a country. It took a number of years to get us here, it will take more years than that to fix it.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:31 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</p>


thats insane.........</p>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</p>


ummm... 2.5</p>

3... Mario is one of the best 3rd WR options in the league

My boy is the security guard at that place in clifton, he always sees alford, bradshaw, nicks, smith, and Mario is moving there. Mario said "tell ur giant friends don't sleep on me this year"

i liked hearing that

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 12:32 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:32 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.


you may be my new favorite poster

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:33 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage"><font size="3">NYG made a big splash for Chris Canty last yr. Well Canty, took home $47,480.62 per snap in 2009</font></h6>
[*-)]


he was out for half the year then wasn't in game shape to play all game by the time he was back

whatever thats an obvious type of stat

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 12:33 PM
We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

</p>



I can't even tell you how many of my friends are thousands of dollars in debt from school loans, not working in their field and people like myself make alot more with no college experience at all. I hate that so bad and you just nailed it on the head.

Now, companies are getting rid of people that make the higher end of the pay scale to higher people cheaper that can save them money. My wifes sister just lost her job for that reason. She was making 14, they fired her and brought someone in to do her job for 10 an hour.
</p>


Sometimes I get kind of depressed....like...where is my life going? I'm 26, havent finished school cuz i cant afford to go to school as the same time as living normally....my job is "ok" but doesnt pay what i feel it should....and I wont have much advancement b/c i havent finished school....
you know so I start thinking about it more...but then im like...wait a second. I live in the most expensive state in the country, work full time for a respectable company, have lived on my own since I was 19 years old, and im not a junkie, not a criminal, i own a nice car, live in a nice house, in a great town, and I have fun on a regular basis. <font color="#0000ff">I'd say I have it pretty good for someone who is forced to live paycheck to paycheck more or less, what do you think??? =]</font></p>
I totally agree...

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 12:34 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</p>


thats insane.........</p>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</p>


ummm... 2.5</p>

3... Mario is one of the best 3rd WR options in the league

My boy is the security guard at that place in clifton, he always sees alford, bradshaw, nicks, smith, and Mario is moving there. Mario said "tell ur giant friends don't sleep on me this year"

i liked hearing that
and i highly agree, but he still needs some work. and i like hearing that as well...

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:35 PM
and your closing sentence just proves the fact that we need national healthcare...

thats the problem with anybody whose against this, they are short sighted. There is no ****in overnight answers for the **** we're in as a country. It took a number of years to get us here, it will take more years than that to fix it.
</P>


not really dude. I'm fully insured. Not gonna lie, its a decent chunk of my check(although I have nothing to compare it to) but ya know that combined with paying for **** once I need it, is another story. you should know this. Nationwide Healthcare is NOT going to fix the fact that insurance is still expensive. I understand your point of view, but unfort. it doesnt really matter.</P>

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 12:35 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>

i don't care who disagrees with the facts.

Over long term it will be a money maker... u gotta spend money to make money. People are in denial if they think that Insurance companies aren't the biggest money makers in the world. Everybody will still have the choice for private healthcare.... if they choose.

Its the conspiracy theorists who proclaim this country is in socialism that are pumping this drivel.

We've had to come to this point from those before us.

The fake numbers that have been thrown around: 80 % of people have insurance. No, its 80% of people who HAVE insurance are happy with it. And whats the focus group of where this sample size was taken from? How many americans ACTUALLY have insurance?

The other funny fake number was that Insurnace Companies only grow 4% ever year... AFTER overhead. People seem to forget that part of it. AKA after the fat cats get paid... this money will all be profit. Whatever, its going to go thru, this country will be better for it. These old cats ask where this country went to, I say why wasn't this question being asked for the past 20-25 years.



My brother AND my boss both had trips to canada where they needed medical attention, they walked in and out and were fine....

Don't buy into the scares of it all. We have Canadians (who aren't socialists) all telling us we're crazy for hating this idea.


I agree totally. But the better question should be how many people have non-government funded or supplemented insurance. I am sure those numbers would be a revelation.

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:37 PM
We're ****ed...we're REALLY ****ed....
Job market is garbage, wages are ****ing TERRIBLE, even AFTER you get your college degree, which we were told for our whole lives is the only way to live a good life. So now youre in debt from school, ****ty job, no retirement, RIDICULOUSLY high cost of living, and pray to yourself every night that you dont get sick, because you sure as **** cant afford your medical bills! lol

</P>



I can't even tell you how many of my friends are thousands of dollars in debt from school loans, not working in their field and people like myself make alot more with no college experience at all. I hate that so bad and you just nailed it on the head.

Now, companies are getting rid of people that make the higher end of the pay scale to higher people cheaper that can save them money. My wifes sister just lost her job for that reason. She was making 14, they fired her and brought someone in to do her job for 10 an hour.
</P>


Sometimes I get kind of depressed....like...where is my life going? I'm 26, havent finished school cuz i cant afford to go to school as the same time as living normally....my job is "ok" but doesnt pay what i feel it should....and I wont have much advancement b/c i havent finished school....
you know so I start thinking about it more...but then im like...wait a second. I live in the most expensive state in the country, work full time for a respectable company, have lived on my own since I was 19 years old, and im not a junkie, not a criminal, i own a nice car, live in a nice house, in a great town, and I have fun on a regular basis. <FONT color=#0000ff>I'd say I have it pretty good for someone who is forced to live paycheck to paycheck more or less, what do you think??? =]</FONT></P>



I totally agree...
</P>


I'm proud of myself, even if my ******* father doesnt think so =P</P>


not his fault though, my parents didnt go to school....they just wanted what was best for me...but they obviously couldnt see where this country was headed back in 1983 lol.</P>

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 12:38 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</P>


thats insane.........</P>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</P>


ummm... 2.5</P>




3... Mario is one of the best 3rd WR options in the league

My boy is the security guard at that place in clifton, he always sees alford, bradshaw, nicks, smith, and Mario is moving there. Mario said "tell ur giant friends don't sleep on me this year"

i liked hearing that
and i highly agree, but he still needs some work. and i like hearing that as well...
</P>


yes he is... as a 3rd option, nothing higher unless is temp cause on an injury to someone else. and im not sleepin on him this year, but he also better prove himself of im def brushing him off... regardless hes a decent player with alotthat could go in his favor to prove himself to be alot more then decent that doesnt mean he still isnt over-rated.</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:39 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 12:39 PM
and your closing sentence just proves the fact that we need national healthcare...

thats the problem with anybody whose against this, they are short sighted. There is no ****in overnight answers for the **** we're in as a country. It took a number of years to get us here, it will take more years than that to fix it.
</p>


not really dude. I'm fully insured. Not gonna lie, its a decent chunk of my check(although I have nothing to compare it to) but ya know that combined with paying for **** once I need it, is another story. you should know this. Nationwide Healthcare is NOT going to fix the fact that insurance is still expensive. I understand your point of view, but unfort. it doesnt really matter.</p>

Huh? national health care would reduce the cost of healthcare dramatically. For one the government would be able to bargain prices directly with drug companies and hospitals.The biggest though is the getting rid of the middle men that the insurance companies create. Just saving in relation to their profit margins is a significant amount.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:40 PM
and your closing sentence just proves the fact that we need national healthcare...

thats the problem with anybody whose against this, they are short sighted. There is no ****in overnight answers for the **** we're in as a country. It took a number of years to get us here, it will take more years than that to fix it.
</p>


not really dude. I'm fully insured. Not gonna lie, its a decent chunk of my check(although I have nothing to compare it to) but ya know that combined with paying for **** once I need it, is another story. you should know this. Nationwide Healthcare is NOT going to fix the fact that insurance is still expensive. I understand your point of view, but unfort. it doesnt really matter.</p>

honestly how much do u pay every two weeks for insurance?

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:42 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>

i don't care who disagrees with the facts.

Over long term it will be a money maker... u gotta spend money to make money. People are in denial if they think that Insurance companies aren't the biggest money makers in the world. Everybody will still have the choice for private healthcare.... if they choose.

Its the conspiracy theorists who proclaim this country is in socialism that are pumping this drivel.

We've had to come to this point from those before us.

The fake numbers that have been thrown around: 80 % of people have insurance. No, its 80% of people who HAVE insurance are happy with it. And whats the focus group of where this sample size was taken from? How many americans ACTUALLY have insurance?

The other funny fake number was that Insurnace Companies only grow 4% ever year... AFTER overhead. People seem to forget that part of it. AKA after the fat cats get paid... this money will all be profit. Whatever, its going to go thru, this country will be better for it. These old cats ask where this country went to, I say why wasn't this question being asked for the past 20-25 years.



My brother AND my boss both had trips to canada where they needed medical attention, they walked in and out and were fine....

Don't buy into the scares of it all. We have Canadians (who aren't socialists) all telling us we're crazy for hating this idea.


I agree totally. But the better question should be how many people have non-government funded or supplemented insurance. I am sure those numbers would be a revelation.


true story, but take it easy on bigblue4417, hes admits he isn't into politics and usually doesn't get into this... it isn't his bag...

moorehead, daven, dezz, pizz... GITTT EMM

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 12:42 PM
These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?
I really don't want to talk about this hear anymore because Matt's view on this literally angers me to the point that I don't enjoy this thread....to me no "sane" individual could think this is a "good" thing for America he says things like "in the future it will be a money maker" which is simply false, and you can see that by looking at other entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare, every entitlement program the government runs is failing, so whats the solution? start another one!!! yeah good idea [:(]

anyhow, I'm done arguing about the facts because MMB and others just make up their own, or mimic what the biggest liar of a president in the history of the USA says over and over....so many people are literally being fooled and it's hard to watch.

that said I'll comment on the Baby Killer comment.

that was said because the guy speaking... Stupak ... was leading a group of representatives that were against the bill because it contains language that allows for federal funding of Abortions and he and his group was pro-life, He and his group flip-flopped the morning of the bill after meeting with obama and ended up being the deciding votes to pass the bill...

he flip-flopped because of Obama promised he'd sign an "executive order" to federal funding of Abortions, BUT his executive order does NOT supersede what's already in the bill, Stupak knows that, he was having Obama sign it to save face with the voters, he knows it means nothing, so does everyone else....

so somebody yelled "baby-Killer" because Stupak took a hardline Anti-Abortion stance and then flipped last second for absolutely nothing....really it's because of Obama, whatever he told him....changed his mind.

was it a threat? a promise? a bribe? we can't know, but it's underhanded and filthy and was the deciding factor on passing a bill that will tie up 1/6 of our nations total income....for years and years....this bill doesn't even take full effect (&lt; read that as full cost) until 2019 well after Obama's term will have been up....he did that on purpose too.

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 12:42 PM
but they obviously couldnt see where this country was headed back in 1983 lol.</p>
And they saw Larry Bird play [;)]

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:43 PM
There have been consistent rumors about Oakland trading for Donovan McNabb, with a move including Asante Samuel from the Eagles and Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. The rumor apparently comes from a source in the Eagles organization.

This could be crazy big!
</p>


thats insane.........</p>


good thing we have 3 studs at wr[:)]
</p>


ummm... 2.5</p>




3... Mario is one of the best 3rd WR options in the league

My boy is the security guard at that place in clifton, he always sees alford, bradshaw, nicks, smith, and Mario is moving there. Mario said "tell ur giant friends don't sleep on me this year"

i liked hearing that
and i highly agree, but he still needs some work. and i like hearing that as well...
</p>


yes he is... as a 3rd option, nothing higher unless is temp cause on an injury to someone else. and im not sleepin on him this year, but he also better prove himself of im def brushing him off... regardless hes a decent player with alotthat could go in his favor to prove himself to be alot more then decent that doesnt mean he still isnt over-rated.</p>

I think his down plays are overrated... hes a weapon out there and has to be accounted for or he cna hurt you

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 12:44 PM
The biggest though is the getting rid of the middle men that the insurance companies create. Just saving in relation to their profit margins is a significant amount.


you are not getting rid of the middle man, you are just changing who it is, now it's the government, and the government has proven over the years that it's incompetent when dealing with these types of entitlement projects.

you traded bad for worse.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:45 PM
and your closing sentence just proves the fact that we need national healthcare...

thats the problem with anybody whose against this, they are short sighted. There is no ****in overnight answers for the **** we're in as a country. It took a number of years to get us here, it will take more years than that to fix it.
</p>


not really dude. I'm fully insured. Not gonna lie, its a decent chunk of my check(although I have nothing to compare it to) but ya know that combined with paying for **** once I need it, is another story. you should know this. Nationwide Healthcare is NOT going to fix the fact that insurance is still expensive. I understand your point of view, but unfort. it doesnt really matter.</p>

Huh? national health care would reduce the cost of healthcare dramatically. For one the government would be able to bargain prices directly with drug companies and hospitals.The biggest though is the getting rid of the middle men that the insurance companies create. Just saving in relation to their profit margins is a significant amount.


You know whats ****in sick with the pharm companies...

I read an article last week and i forget the name of which pill it was, but its manufactured in the USA and its also sold in Canada...

ITS LESS EXPENSIVE IN CANADA THAN THE US. **** these pharm companies

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 12:45 PM
it isn't his bag...


I am learning, reading all this is helpful to all of us.

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 12:48 PM
this bill doesn't even take full effect (&lt; read that as full cost) until 2019 well after Obama's term will have been up....he did that on purpose too.


So in all honestly, no one really knows exactly what is going to happen.

Are different parties forecasting different things?

Does Obama hear all the people that are on your side and just not care? Do you think he considers the negatives and just doesn't care?

Is it only enough votes that matter?

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:49 PM
These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?
I really don't want to talk about this hear anymore because Matt's view on this literally angers me to the point that I don't enjoy this thread....to me no "sane" individual could think this is a "good" thing for America he says things like "in the future it will be a money maker" which is simply false, and you can see that by looking at other entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare, every entitlement program the government runs is failing, so whats the solution? start another one!!! yeah good idea [:(]

anyhow, I'm done arguing about the facts because MMB and others just make up their own, or mimic what the biggest liar of a president in the history of the USA says over and over....so many people are literally being fooled and it's hard to watch.

that said I'll comment on the Baby Killer comment.

that was said because the guy speaking... Stupak ... was leading a group of representatives that were against the bill because it contains language that allows for federal funding of Abortions and he and his group was pro-life, He and his group flip-flopped the morning of the bill after meeting with obama and ended up being the deciding votes to pass the bill...

he flip-flopped because of Obama promised he'd sign an "executive order" to federal funding of Abortions, BUT his executive order does NOT supersede what's already in the bill, Stupak knows that, he was having Obama sign it to save face with the voters, he knows it means nothing, so does everyone else....

so somebody yelled "baby-Killer" because Stupak took a hardline Anti-Abortion stance and then flipped last second for absolutely nothing....really it's because of Obama, whatever he told him....changed his mind.

was it a threat? a promise? a bribe? we can't know, but it's underhanded and filthy and was the deciding factor on passing a bill that will tie up 1/6 of our nations total income....for years and years....this bill doesn't even take full effect (&lt; read that as full cost) until 2019 well after Obama's term will have been up....he did that on purpose too.



good then get the hell out...

anything u've ever said is standard operationg procedures and thats how the politics have ****in worked in this country forever. To think any of it is something special or make sOBama any more corrupt just shows the rock you live under.

Exactly you don't know, maybe it could of been OBama explaining how the bill would effect some of the views that Stupak had. So pretty much ur just talking out of ur *** and have no real facts or proof of anything.

lol yea thats what he did, he came in to push this bill thru so that it could ruin the country and he'd be long gone... i dont think you've ever had more ridiculous points in any post ever... and thats saying soemthing

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 12:49 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out


Wow, obviously you just started caring about politics here recently cause you know nothing about what is mandated of us.

How can I make this clear. You are mandated to school your children, if you dont you will be fined or jailed. There that is another 1 for you. there are tons of mandates on us my friend. Not to mention taxes the biggest mandates of them all.

You dare talk about deficits now, when it comes to healthcare. Why weren't you screaming about deficits when we spent nearly $2 trillion in Iraq? That would have more than covered the healthcare gap.

The bailouts you complain about, they were Bush's too. Obama inherited this country in the worste shape since the Great Depression and you dare look down on him when you didn't have the nerve to stand up to that tyrant Bush.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 12:50 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:50 PM
The biggest though is the getting rid of the middle men that the insurance companies create. Just saving in relation to their profit margins is a significant amount.


you are not getting rid of the middle man, you are just changing who it is, now it's the government, and the government has proven over the years that it's incompetent when dealing with these types of entitlement projects.

you traded bad for worse.


really? how have they proven that daven?

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:51 PM
this bill doesn't even take full effect (&lt; read that as full cost) until 2019 well after Obama's term will have been up....he did that on purpose too.


So in all honestly, no one really knows exactly what is going to happen.

Are different parties forecasting different things?

Does Obama hear all the people that are on your side and just not care? Do you think he considers the negatives and just doesn't care?

Is it only enough votes that matter?


bro ur out of ur mind if u think all the people are on his side. He was voted in on the premis of it... all the squeeky wheels crying is all you hear lol.

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 12:53 PM
The biggest though is the getting rid of the middle men that the insurance companies create. Just saving in relation to their profit margins is a significant amount.


you are not getting rid of the middle man, you are just changing who it is, now it's the government, and the government has proven over the years that it's incompetent when dealing with these types of entitlement projects.

you traded bad for worse.


Lmao I can vote them out!! I cant vote out the ceo of an insurance company!! I rather have the person that has to answer to me for the things they do. Not someone who gets a bonus for denying me coverage!

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 12:56 PM
Matt I just tried to look up my insurance cost...and was a bit confused. It WAS like $110 or something...but now it's showing as like $57....so im kind of concerned that something changed. my paychecks look the same....dammit now I gotta call HR!! ugh

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:56 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


if theres no jobs then how do people get healthcare? No your bias because you really tried to blame unemployment on Obama... that was just beyond ridiculous...

like he wasn't handed a country in shambles...

His MAIN platform was healthcare reform. Creating more jobs, pullling out of Iraq, and the economy were all up there too...

There is NO WAY to have healthcare reform unless you nationalize it if there are no jobs lol.

To say this won't create more jobs is just mind numbing to hear.

He is pulling troops out of Iraq per this summer as he has planned and it wont' even be two years by then.

So by Sept he saved the auto industry, pulled troops from iraq, and reformed healthcare in less than two years lol. Yea what a theif.

Anybody who says this country isn't going i nthe right direction is just misinformed

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 12:56 PM
back to sports....

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 12:58 PM
Matt I just tried to look up my insurance cost...and was a bit confused. It WAS like $110 or something...but now it's showing as like $57....so im kind of concerned that something changed. my paychecks look the same....dammit now I gotta call HR!! ugh

110 a week or two weeks

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 01:00 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


you are aware that the government does not create jobs right? Also Health care was a huge part of his campaign my friend I know I volunteered. You latched on to one part of what I said and ignored the rest. I gave you the license thing a while ago but how about the shots and the mandatory schooling?
You are biased cause you are not listening for facts.

What has he out on the backburner. The first thing he did was pass the stimulus!! Do you even know what your talking about? and um unemployment benefits were just extended again also. You are just against Obama and you need to realize that and take a serious look at yourself.

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:02 PM
Matt I just tried to look up my insurance cost...and was a bit confused. It WAS like $110 or something...but now it's showing as like $57....so im kind of concerned that something changed. my paychecks look the same....dammit now I gotta call HR!! ugh

110 a week or two weeks


</P>


2 weeks. basically 110 a paycheck? its not that bad....but stacked with taxes it is lol.
but yea its not showing that dollar amount anymore so im concerned.</P>

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:02 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


if theres no jobs then how do people get healthcare? No your bias because you really tried to blame unemployment on Obama... that was just beyond ridiculous...

like he wasn't handed a country in shambles...

His MAIN platform was healthcare reform. Creating more jobs, pullling out of Iraq, and the economy were all up there too...

There is NO WAY to have healthcare reform unless you nationalize it if there are no jobs lol.

To say this won't create more jobs is just mind numbing to hear.

He is pulling troops out of Iraq per this summer as he has planned and it wont' even be two years by then.

So by Sept he saved the auto industry, pulled troops from iraq, and reformed healthcare lol. Yea what a theif
lol no im blaming the RISE of unemployment on him. seriously you yell at me for "not reading" when you do that same. matt its going to create 400000 GOV jobs, that wont be in effect until 2014!!and who cares how fast he can pull out of iraq. if we pull out to fast and it goes back to **** its on him. we should have 50000 troops stationed their in police roll just like we did japan, germany and south korea for about 5 more years.

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 01:02 PM
back to sports....
</P>


AGREED!!</P>

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:03 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


you are aware that the government does not create jobs right? Also Health care was a huge part of his campaign my friend I know I volunteered. You latched on to one part of what I said and ignored the rest. I gave you the license thing a while ago but how about the shots and the mandatory schooling?
You are biased cause you are not listening for facts.

What has he out on the backburner. The first thing he did was pass the stimulus!! Do you even know what your talking about? and um unemployment benefits were just extended again also. You are just against Obama and you need to realize that and take a serious look at yourself.
lol ok man.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:06 PM
i agree with everything said here..

except the one thing... there will be plenty of government jobs created to handle this healthcare package...

how could there not be?

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:06 PM
BAD DEZZ!! =]

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:06 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


you are aware that the government does not create jobs right? Also Health care was a huge part of his campaign my friend I know I volunteered. You latched on to one part of what I said and ignored the rest. I gave you the license thing a while ago but how about the shots and the mandatory schooling?
You are biased cause you are not listening for facts.

What has he out on the backburner. The first thing he did was pass the stimulus!! Do you even know what your talking about? and um unemployment benefits were just extended again also. You are just against Obama and you need to realize that and take a serious look at yourself.
lol ok man.


don't be snippy about it, hes totally right, you latch to one thing nad ignore all the other points made.... u ALWAYS do that

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:08 PM
i agree with everything said here..

handle this package...

</P>


homo</P>

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 01:10 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


if theres no jobs then how do people get healthcare? No your bias because you really tried to blame unemployment on Obama... that was just beyond ridiculous...

like he wasn't handed a country in shambles...

His MAIN platform was healthcare reform. Creating more jobs, pullling out of Iraq, and the economy were all up there too...

There is NO WAY to have healthcare reform unless you nationalize it if there are no jobs lol.

To say this won't create more jobs is just mind numbing to hear.

He is pulling troops out of Iraq per this summer as he has planned and it wont' even be two years by then.

So by Sept he saved the auto industry, pulled troops from iraq, and reformed healthcare lol. Yea what a theif
lol no im blaming the RISE of unemployment on him. seriously you yell at me for "not reading" when you do that same. matt its going to create 400000 GOV jobs, that wont be in effect until 2014!!and who cares how fast he can pull out of iraq. if we pull out to fast and it goes back to **** its on him. we should have 50000 troops stationed their in police roll just like we did japan, germany and south korea for about 5 more years.


LMAO see its not about deficits and the economy at all cause we can afford to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq! Hahahah, you just killed yourself my friend. Check your history. Name 1 time an Iraqi attacked an American outside of war time?? Cant find it? Its cause it never happened. So what do you mean by " if we pull out to fast and it goes back to ****" cause Iraq was never a threat to us and Al-Queda only formed ties there after we invaded.We dont need troops there cause we should have never brought them there in the first place!!!

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:10 PM
back to sports....
</P>


AGREED!!</P>


</P>


so....what are you wearing?</P>


lol....</P>

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:10 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


you are aware that the government does not create jobs right? Also Health care was a huge part of his campaign my friend I know I volunteered. You latched on to one part of what I said and ignored the rest. I gave you the license thing a while ago but how about the shots and the mandatory schooling?
You are biased cause you are not listening for facts.

What has he out on the backburner. The first thing he did was pass the stimulus!! Do you even know what your talking about? and um unemployment benefits were just extended again also. You are just against Obama and you need to realize that and take a serious look at yourself.
lol ok man.


don't be snippy about it, hes totally right, you latch to one thing nad ignore all the other points made.... u ALWAYS do that
im not being snippy. im not arguing with someone calling me biased, who campaigned for obama. the hypocrisy is deafening. facts are the majority of america didnt want it no matter how you try and spin it.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:12 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


if theres no jobs then how do people get healthcare? No your bias because you really tried to blame unemployment on Obama... that was just beyond ridiculous...

like he wasn't handed a country in shambles...

His MAIN platform was healthcare reform. Creating more jobs, pullling out of Iraq, and the economy were all up there too...

There is NO WAY to have healthcare reform unless you nationalize it if there are no jobs lol.

To say this won't create more jobs is just mind numbing to hear.

He is pulling troops out of Iraq per this summer as he has planned and it wont' even be two years by then.

So by Sept he saved the auto industry, pulled troops from iraq, and reformed healthcare lol. Yea what a theif
lol no im blaming the RISE of unemployment on him. seriously you yell at me for "not reading" when you do that same. matt its going to create 400000 GOV jobs, that wont be in effect until 2014!!and who cares how fast he can pull out of iraq. if we pull out to fast and it goes back to **** its on him. we should have 50000 troops stationed their in police roll just like we did japan, germany and south korea for about 5 more years.


why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him.... thats the part ur missing. The REASONING behind ur thinking. You've just blindly pinned it on him and have nothing to back it up is why we say ur bias


And hes ****in PULLING troops out.. hes at least STARTING to. You ****in republicans were alll about sending all our guys in. Its amazing.

You don't care about the debt that we've spent on the war, or give OBama credit for doing everything he said he was gonna do. Hes achieved more in 2 years (positively) than Bush ever did.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:13 PM
i agree with everything said here..

except the one thing... there will be plenty of government jobs created to handle this healthcare package...

how could there not be?


there will be 1600 IRS agents hired to enforce the fine charged for not purchasing a Health Care plan that is deemed acceptable by the Government regulations.

that said there will be fewer and fewer doctors as they PAY to see patients and fall further into debt being unable to pay their own student loans.

the biggest losers of all in this, is current college students in the field of medicine.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:14 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


you are aware that the government does not create jobs right? Also Health care was a huge part of his campaign my friend I know I volunteered. You latched on to one part of what I said and ignored the rest. I gave you the license thing a while ago but how about the shots and the mandatory schooling?
You are biased cause you are not listening for facts.

What has he out on the backburner. The first thing he did was pass the stimulus!! Do you even know what your talking about? and um unemployment benefits were just extended again also. You are just against Obama and you need to realize that and take a serious look at yourself.
lol ok man.


don't be snippy about it, hes totally right, you latch to one thing nad ignore all the other points made.... u ALWAYS do that
im not being snippy. im not arguing with someone calling me biased, who campaigned for obama. the hypocrisy is deafening. facts are the majority of america didnt want it no matter how you try and spin it.


well because he has facts to back it up and u ignore most of them. You tried saying OBama did things and was responsible for things he didnt do. He pointed it out to you.

And again, it was the forefront of his campaign was healthcare my man. He was voted in, by a HEAVY majority. To say they didn't want it is just denial. Republicans don't want it, don't mistake that for americans

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:16 PM
i agree with everything said here..

except the one thing... there will be plenty of government jobs created to handle this healthcare package...

how could there not be?


there will be 1600 IRS agents hired to enforce the fine charged for not purchasing a Health Care plan that is deemed acceptable by the Government regulations.

that said there will be fewer and fewer doctors as they PAY to see patients and fall further into debt being unable to pay their own student loans.

the biggest losers of all in this, is current college students in the field of medicine.
'

damn socialism

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:16 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


if theres no jobs then how do people get healthcare? No your bias because you really tried to blame unemployment on Obama... that was just beyond ridiculous...

like he wasn't handed a country in shambles...

His MAIN platform was healthcare reform. Creating more jobs, pullling out of Iraq, and the economy were all up there too...

There is NO WAY to have healthcare reform unless you nationalize it if there are no jobs lol.

To say this won't create more jobs is just mind numbing to hear.

He is pulling troops out of Iraq per this summer as he has planned and it wont' even be two years by then.

So by Sept he saved the auto industry, pulled troops from iraq, and reformed healthcare lol. Yea what a theif
lol no im blaming the RISE of unemployment on him. seriously you yell at me for "not reading" when you do that same. matt its going to create 400000 GOV jobs, that wont be in effect until 2014!!and who cares how fast he can pull out of iraq. if we pull out to fast and it goes back to **** its on him. we should have 50000 troops stationed their in police roll just like we did japan, germany and south korea for about 5 more years.


LMAO see its not about deficits and the economy at all cause we can afford to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq! Hahahah, you just killed yourself my friend. Check your history. Name 1 time an Iraqi attacked an American outside of war time?? Cant find it? Its cause it never happened. So what do you mean by " if we pull out to fast and it goes back to ****" cause Iraq was never a threat to us and Al-Queda only formed ties there after we invaded.We dont need troops there cause we should have never brought them there in the first place!!!
yea thats it man. you figured me out. he threatend us and isreal numerous times (just like north korea is doing, great job by obama taking them off the watch list by the way) and had over 500 barrels of uranium were found. your just like matt. oh no rocket with a warhead was found BUSH LIED!!!!. not to mention saddam turning away un inspectors over 20 times!!!lol dude im not arguing with you anymore your a hypocrite

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:16 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:17 PM
i agree with everything said here..

except the one thing... there will be plenty of government jobs created to handle this healthcare package...

how could there not be?


there will be 1600 IRS agents hired to enforce the fine charged for not purchasing a Health Care plan that is deemed acceptable by the Government regulations.

that said there will be fewer and fewer doctors as they PAY to see patients and fall further into debt being unable to pay their own student loans.

the biggest losers of all in this, is current college students in the field of medicine.


the biggest winner is the american people as a whole.

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 01:17 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

</p>


Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
</p>


why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


you are aware that the government does not create jobs right? Also Health care was a huge part of his campaign my friend I know I volunteered. You latched on to one part of what I said and ignored the rest. I gave you the license thing a while ago but how about the shots and the mandatory schooling?
You are biased cause you are not listening for facts.

What has he out on the backburner. The first thing he did was pass the stimulus!! Do you even know what your talking about? and um unemployment benefits were just extended again also. You are just against Obama and you need to realize that and take a serious look at yourself.
lol ok man.


I'm not trying to do anything but open your eyes man. No insults intended here but you have been listening to the wrong people. People have made this a Dem vs. Repub and Black vs. White thing when in reality this is a corporation vs. people thing which is nothing more than a poor vs. rich thing. If you get what I'm saying you'll see through to the truth eventually. Health care should be a right not a priviledge you know.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:17 PM
i agree with everything said here..

except the one thing... there will be plenty of government jobs created to handle this healthcare package...

how could there not be?


there will be 1600 IRS agents hired to enforce the fine charged for not purchasing a Health Care plan that is deemed acceptable by the Government regulations.

that said there will be fewer and fewer doctors as they PAY to see patients and fall further into debt being unable to pay their own student loans.

the biggest losers of all in this, is current college students in the field of medicine.


the biggest winner is the american people as a whole.

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 01:19 PM
handle this package...

</P>


homo</P>


</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/ltsigggggggggg.gif</P>


i dunno if you can handle ALL THAT pizz........</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:19 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:20 PM
handle this package...

</P>


homo</P>


</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/ltsigggggggggg.gif</P>


i dunno if you can handle ALL THAT pizz........</P>


</P>


I cant see your photo, but after a comment like that I'm sure I dont really care either lol.
im sure ive seen it before though if it says LTsig lol</P>


oh, and why did you ignore my cybering starter?! lmao</P>

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:20 PM
the biggest winner is the american people as a whole.

17% increase to young adults buying their own insurance (USA Today)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-03-29-insurance-premiums_N.htm

I'm a young adult, I'm not winning, unless you consider paying more for less winning.

by the way.

Caterpillar, AT&amp;T and John Deer announced the other day they will be laying off employee's specifically because of this bill's increased cost, as well as ending their programs that used to pay for retired employee's prescriptions.

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 01:21 PM
back to sports....
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AGREED!!</P>


</P>


so....what are you wearing?</P>


lol....</P>


</P>


lol... nice try. </P>


can we PLEASE stop with the same talks about ****ing health care we have been having for 3 weeks now..... its really old. i gotta hear about it at work from my friends, my parents, everyone i know, on tv, online in genrealand in the thread. it is what it is.. just be ****ing done with it in here already. damn</P>

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 01:22 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


But don't you realize that it is out of his control? He has done everything he can to make this better for main street.

Why dont you blame the republicans? Don't you know why he can't do more? There have been over 100 cases of filibusters in this congress (more than any other time in history). They have blocked everything Obama and Dems have tried to do to fix the economy yet no one blames them. What do you think of that?

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:23 PM
[lol... nice try. </P>


haha...cant blame a guy for trying. plus you said talk about sports, if tahts not a sport, idk what is!...or somethin...</P>

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:24 PM
are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?


Obama's bill, I'm not the one in denial here Matt, you've just been fooled, honestly I expected better of you, which is why this issue is frustrating for me to talk about in this thread, I didn't think you were so easy to fool, apparently I was wrong, and that's upsetting to me...which is why I'm going to refrain from talking about this for a while here, I know WAY to much about this to argue with someone who is just repeating lies he's heard from uniformed sources....including the president of the united states, who, in many interviews has both stated he didn't know exactly what was in the bill, but also knows it's the solution.

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 01:25 PM
the biggest winner is the american people as a whole.

17% increase to young adults buying their own insurance (USA Today)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-03-29-insurance-premiums_N.htm

I'm a young adult, I'm not winning, unless you consider paying more for less winning.

by the way.

Caterpillar, AT&amp;T and John Deer announced the other day they will be laying off employee's specifically because of this bill's increased cost, as well as ending their programs that used to pay for retired employee's prescriptions.


Of course they will. Anyone who is anyone knew the layoffs were coming anyway and they are using healthcare as an excuse. Remember the bill doesn't event take effect till 2014. That's what i'm talking about it takes a certain level of ignorance to fall for such a ploy

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:26 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:29 PM
are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?


Obama's bill, I'm not the one in denial here Matt, you've just been fooled, honestly I expected better of you, which is why this issue is frustrating for me to talk about in this thread, I didn't think you were so easy to fool, apparently I was wrong, and that's upsetting to me...which is why I'm going to refrain from talking about this for a while here, I know WAY to much about this to argue with someone who is just repeating lies he's heard from uniformed sources....including the president of the united states, who, in many interviews has both stated he didn't know exactly what was in the bill, but also knows it's the solution.


well the funny thing is i would say the same to you sir...

I actually do understand the after effects of everything thats gone on in the past 20 years, let alone the past 8. You want some type of over night fix and sorry its un realistic. The damage is deep and Obama has done a great job.

You buy the socialism hype and scare tactics the republicans are using, i'll be realistic.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:30 PM
[lol... nice try. </p>


haha...cant blame a guy for trying. plus you said talk about sports, if tahts not a sport, idk what is!...or somethin...</p>the giants should go after gibril. he is better then the one legged man we have now[:O]

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:31 PM
all 3 of you stfu right now. lol

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:31 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 01:32 PM
Beckett, the sources said, has a four-year, guaranteed offer from Boston on the table.It could be worth a total package in the range of $65 million to $70 million, sources said.A
source with knowledge of the negotiations told ESPNBoston.com's Gordon
Edes that the Red Sox would not go to a fifth year in their talks with
Beckett. The 30-year-old Beckett is scheduled to pitch Major League
Baseball's regular-season opener Sunday night at Fenway Park against
the New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy).

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:33 PM
Of course they will. Anyone who is anyone knew the layoffs were coming anyway and they are using healthcare as an excuse. Remember the bill doesn't event take effect till 2014. That's what i'm talking about it takes a certain level of ignorance to fall for such a ploy


That's not true, much of the tax increase and removal of tax breaks happens way before 2014....it takes place to fund the changes that are coming in 2014, the "plan" is to tax us for 10 years for 6 years of care....like that's sustainable lol.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:33 PM
the biggest winner is the american people as a whole.

17% increase to young adults buying their own insurance (USA Today)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-03-29-insurance-premiums_N.htm

I'm a young adult, I'm not winning, unless you consider paying more for less winning.

by the way.

Caterpillar, AT&amp;T and John Deer announced the other day they will be laying off employee's specifically because of this bill's increased cost, as well as ending their programs that used to pay for retired employee's prescriptions.


and u take exception to Obama instead of AT&amp;T

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:33 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:34 PM
[lol... nice try. </P>


haha...cant blame a guy for trying. plus you said talk about sports, if tahts not a sport, idk what is!...or somethin...</P>


the giants should go after gibril. he is better then the one legged man we have now[:O]
</P>


I think the Yanks should bring up the switch pitcher. he pitches this week in a ST game. We have a Tampa Bay Rays farm team in our town, and when theYanks farm team was here last year playing against them, there were all these news articles about a guy who could effectively pitch lefty and righty!! can you imagine that ****!? Instead of walking your power lefties, you just pitch with your other hand! lol</P>


article yesterday said Girardi was "intrigued at the thought of having him on the roster". I hope he does work and getsa real shot. sure it's gimmicky but if it works it works.</P>

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 01:35 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

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Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


</p>


</p>


I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
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why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


if theres no jobs then how do people get healthcare? No your bias because you really tried to blame unemployment on Obama... that was just beyond ridiculous...

like he wasn't handed a country in shambles...

His MAIN platform was healthcare reform. Creating more jobs, pullling out of Iraq, and the economy were all up there too...

There is NO WAY to have healthcare reform unless you nationalize it if there are no jobs lol.

To say this won't create more jobs is just mind numbing to hear.

He is pulling troops out of Iraq per this summer as he has planned and it wont' even be two years by then.

So by Sept he saved the auto industry, pulled troops from iraq, and reformed healthcare lol. Yea what a theif
lol no im blaming the RISE of unemployment on him. seriously you yell at me for "not reading" when you do that same. matt its going to create 400000 GOV jobs, that wont be in effect until 2014!!and who cares how fast he can pull out of iraq. if we pull out to fast and it goes back to **** its on him. we should have 50000 troops stationed their in police roll just like we did japan, germany and south korea for about 5 more years.


LMAO see its not about deficits and the economy at all cause we can afford to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq! Hahahah, you just killed yourself my friend. Check your history. Name 1 time an Iraqi attacked an American outside of war time?? Cant find it? Its cause it never happened. So what do you mean by " if we pull out to fast and it goes back to ****" cause Iraq was never a threat to us and Al-Queda only formed ties there after we invaded.We dont need troops there cause we should have never brought them there in the first place!!!
yea thats it man. you figured me out. he threatend us and isreal numerous times (just like north korea is doing, great job by obama taking them off the watch list by the way) and had over 500 barrels of uranium were found. your just like matt. oh no rocket with a warhead was found BUSH LIED!!!!. not to mention saddam turning away un inspectors over 20 times!!!lol dude im not arguing with you anymore your a hypocrite


Hahahaha im a hypocrite. He turned away who's inspectors? Oh the U.N. right. making it a U.N. problem right? But no America superceedes the U.N. and almost killed it as the international communtiy now looks at it like whats the point if countries like America don't have to follow the rules.
Hahahaha its funny how you think we are the only ones entitled to nuclear power. Only 1 problem Iraq did not posses the means to get it here as they dont have the long range ballistic missiles needed to reach us. You are just drunk of that kool-aid. Bush Lied my friend that is indesputable. Please he threatened us. Wow you are so blind. I bet you didnt research anything you just listened to Fox and accepted it.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:35 PM
handle this package...

</p>


homo</p>


</p>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/ltsigggggggggg.gif</p>


i dunno if you can handle ALL THAT pizz........</p>


</p>


I cant see your photo, but after a comment like that I'm sure I dont really care either lol.
im sure ive seen it before though if it says LTsig lol</p>


oh, and why did you ignore my cybering starter?! lmao</p>

good, it would of been too much man for u to handle

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:35 PM
You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform,


NOONE is saying that, what people are saying is they don't want THIS BILL, THIS REFORM...because it's bad for us, and the majority of people agree on that.

everyone wants reform....it's Obama, and the left wing media that have turned this into "Either your for Obamacare...or you are against reform"

that's patently untrue, everyone wants reform, they just don't want reform if it comes at the cost of our country's well being like this bill.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:37 PM
and u take exception to Obama instead of AT&amp;T


How many people does Obama employee...how many people does AT&amp;T employee...

yea, AT&amp;T is winning that one, and sorry, JOBS is the #1 issue right now, not 10 million people without health care out of over 300 million people in the country.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:37 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:39 PM
I got this from AG for HC. Not trying to start this up again but I just want to see how you feel about this Matt. These are some older gents that I know we appreciate and they seem to be saying the same thing <font color="#0000ff">Morehead and Daven</font> are saying. It makes me think. I don't know why that guy screamed out "baby killer". Is this bad for my kids? or their kids? Daven is around but not sure if MH is. I would be curious to see how they feel about this conversation. As I said, I don't know much about all this at all and will be the first one to admit it but have learned quite a bit just from reading all you guys and this. What you think?








every time I think I'm beginning to understand you Americans you do something just before I do.

How you can't want health care for all citizens boggles my mind. To have it get to the level it has is quite shocking.

but I still love ya guys

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Any sane person wants healthcare for all citizens.</p>


But it has to be put togther in both a way that will work, can be paid for, and done ethically.</p>


That is not what has occurred here.</p>


This has always been a land of free choice. There is no choice here. If someone chooses not to purchase healthcare insurance, our government is going to penalize those folks.</p>


And what are the insurance companies going to do with their premiums now that they know EVERY American has to buy health insurance or be penalized? The myth is that insurance companies will have to lower their premiums to compete. The reality is that they don't have to do anything but keep the premiums at the same level or raise them.</p>


Fewer bright young people will choose medical school and will opt for a career elswhere. ( It's already been happening for 3 or 4 years )</p>


Physician's Assistant's and Nurse Practioners who now see patients who have minor issues will soon be seeing patients for ailments that are beyond the scope of their expertise. I see the trend already as a healthcare recruiter. Remember, these are people who couldn't get into Medical School to become a doctor.</p>


The quality of healthcare goes down. Wait time goes up. And we all suffer.</p>


<font size="4">This administration is destroying this once great country.</font></p>


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I couldn't agree with you more, BB62. In my 63 years, the worst ever, and at a sickeningly fast pace. But, prior administrations, going back to LBJ, have certainly contributed to a gradual decline. You could argue that it started when JFK picked up the french baggage in Viet Nam. </p>


Little chinks here and there, all adding up. There have been warnings about future funding of Social Secirity for 40 years. But, this health care fiasco, and bailing out our large companies to the tune of billions/trillions, plus the ongoing cost for supporting our efforts in Afghan and Iraq, have all crystallized the dilemma to a point where even the least astute of our citizins recognize big future problems.</p>


For the first time ever, SS is in the red.</p>


So, I'm 63 and figure I'll be OK in my tenure... but I'm concerned about my 2 sons, and my 17 year old grand daughter. She's 17, and 45 years from now, where is this once great country??</p>


It's scary... reality scary... just not suppositions and warning signs anymore. It's reality.</p>


Maybe I should advise her to learn Chinese?</p>


wow Zim...you just got me thinking......scary......its scary that my grand kids are growing up in a completely different country than I did...... all this was brewing for a long time.....a looong time......but when you sit and think about it ......the change sort of slaps you.... like a saying I once heard.... "it came so slow you dont remember when you got so fat..."
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why would you start this all over again lando..... ughhh FML</p>
These are more people that he might respect on the other side and I just wanted to see what he says. It's not going to start again. Everything that can be said has been said many times.


LMAO do you know anything about this healthcare bill? I respect my elders BB62 but you are all wrong and need to stop watching Fox noise for your news. The mandates are necessary to reduce costs. If you know anything you know that these uninsured people are the biggest burden on our system. There are 30 million people who get sick and go to the emergency room and leave the bill to be paid by whoever. What else do you purpose they do about that? Thats the main driver in rising healthcare cost. So if mandates are your only complaint you need to get over it cause they are necessary.

Where is this fantasy country you use to live in? America has required many things of its citizens in the past abd present why is this different? If you wanna drive you are mandated to have car insurance, your kids are mandated to have certain shots before they can enter school, the list goes on and on. People think about things for your self before you speak. When you listen to news channels you must remember that they work for companies like GE that profit off the medical industry and like the status quo. This health care bill is not perfect, but its a lot better then what we had before it. If the damn republicans would get out of the way of the public option and medicaire expansions this bill would be perfect!!! So if anything blame the republicans for the bill not reaching its full effect not the administration.
no if you want to drive your REQUIRED to apply for your license. theres no law that stats having your license is mandatory. all those things you mentioned are OPTIONS if you want what your seeking. this bill will fine people who dont have health care. and no its not "alot better then what we had before" my grandchildren will be paying off this bill. theyre spending money america doesnt have!not to mention that unemployment is at 20% and more people are without jobs then need healthcare, doubled from when obama took office and didnt he promise it wouldnt rise above 9%?????


are u trying to say its not illegal to drive without a liscence and insurance?

Its not an option, its totally illegal hence why if u ge tpulled over you will get tickets if not taken to jail.

You still have the option of choosing private healthcare if u want to pay for it.

We're paying off debts from when we first started this country, so what else is new Dezz?

LOL from when OBAMA took office?! It just shows how ****in bias u are that its sick. This **** all started with bush in office and had no where to go but down n get worse. What a joke of a comment to make.. .it doubled since Obama took office... yea it was his fault. In his first 6 months he was able to crash the economy.

Your cracked out
NOO you jackass. REEAD! i said its NOT mandatory for you to have a license. the gov doesnt force you to have one. your not getting fined for not having one. IF you want to drive you need a license. if your seeking certain things, certain actions are required.

and does that mean i biased matt? really? cause i think more americans need jobs then healthcare and we cant afford it im biased? obamas in charge now matt. get that through your head. it was a main campaign promise he ran on and hes put it on the back burner. right? havnt herd him mention the unemployment rate in some months.


if theres no jobs then how do people get healthcare? No your bias because you really tried to blame unemployment on Obama... that was just beyond ridiculous...

like he wasn't handed a country in shambles...

His MAIN platform was healthcare reform. Creating more jobs, pullling out of Iraq, and the economy were all up there too...

There is NO WAY to have healthcare reform unless you nationalize it if there are no jobs lol.

To say this won't create more jobs is just mind numbing to hear.

He is pulling troops out of Iraq per this summer as he has planned and it wont' even be two years by then.

So by Sept he saved the auto industry, pulled troops from iraq, and reformed healthcare lol. Yea what a theif
lol no im blaming the RISE of unemployment on him. seriously you yell at me for "not reading" when you do that same. matt its going to create 400000 GOV jobs, that wont be in effect until 2014!!and who cares how fast he can pull out of iraq. if we pull out to fast and it goes back to **** its on him. we should have 50000 troops stationed their in police roll just like we did japan, germany and south korea for about 5 more years.


LMAO see its not about deficits and the economy at all cause we can afford to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq! Hahahah, you just killed yourself my friend. Check your history. Name 1 time an Iraqi attacked an American outside of war time?? Cant find it? Its cause it never happened. So what do you mean by " if we pull out to fast and it goes back to ****" cause Iraq was never a threat to us and Al-Queda only formed ties there after we invaded.We dont need troops there cause we should have never brought them there in the first place!!!
yea thats it man. you figured me out. he threatend us and isreal numerous times (just like north korea is doing, great job by obama taking them off the watch list by the way) and had over 500 barrels of uranium were found. your just like matt. oh no rocket with a warhead was found BUSH LIED!!!!. not to mention saddam turning away un inspectors over 20 times!!!lol dude im not arguing with you anymore your a hypocrite


Hahahaha im a hypocrite. He turned away who's inspectors? Oh the U.N. right. making it a U.N. problem right? But no America superceedes the U.N. and almost killed it as the international communtiy now looks at it like whats the point if countries like America don't have to follow the rules.
Hahahaha its funny how you think we are the only ones entitled to nuclear power. Only 1 problem Iraq did not posses the means to get it here as they dont have the long range ballistic missiles needed to reach us. You are just drunk of that kool-aid. Bush Lied my friend that is indesputable. Please he threatened us. Wow you are so blind. I bet you didnt research anything you just listened to Fox and accepted it.


not to mention that the only thing they found was the yellowcake, which was a source of income for the country. They have been selling it to Canada for 20 years lol.... all of a sudden people found it a big issue

edit: just so you know, Dezz doesn't think Bush lied, he thinks he was just reacting to the intel he had

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:40 PM
handle this package...

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homo</P>


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http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/ltsigggggggggg.gif</P>


i dunno if you can handle ALL THAT pizz........</P>


</P>


I cant see your photo, but after a comment like that I'm sure I dont really care either lol.
im sure ive seen it before though if it says LTsig lol</P>


oh, and why did you ignore my cybering starter?! lmao</P>




good, it would of been too much man for u to handle

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quit talkin about handling men.....too much...too much...</P>

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:40 PM
lol where did i say "we the us are the only ones worthy enough to wield nuclear power". so you were ok with saddam having a nuclear weapons??? what a stupid thing to say. im done with this convo cause your not changing my mind and im not changing yours.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:41 PM
You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform,


NOONE is saying that, what people are saying is they don't want THIS BILL, THIS REFORM...because it's bad for us, and the majority of people agree on that.

everyone wants reform....it's Obama, and the left wing media that have turned this into "Either your for Obamacare...or you are against reform"

that's patently untrue, everyone wants reform, they just don't want reform if it comes at the cost of our country's well being like this bill.


well actually, dezz said it many times lol.

No the majority don't agree with that and the presidents approval rating getting bigger once it was approved actually proves that.


And no, this was turned into "IF YOUR FOR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE, YOUR A SOCIALIST"

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 01:42 PM
OK, lesson learned. No such thing as not starting something when Healthcare is the issue.

my bad...lol

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:42 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
lol on liberalsrus.com . it went up when he passed it even thought almost 70% opposed it?! ok matt. what a bull**** poll.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:43 PM
edit: just so you know, Dezz doesn't think Bush lied, he thinks he was just reacting to the intel he had


Not just Dez, I believe that as well.

whats funny is you get on Bush for maybe or maybe not lying while Obama has lied more then any other president I know off, I think he passed Nixon long ago.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:44 PM
and u take exception to Obama instead of AT&amp;T


How many people does Obama employee...how many people does AT&amp;T employee...

yea, AT&amp;T is winning that one, and sorry, JOBS is the #1 issue right now, not 10 million people without health care out of over 300 million people in the country.


again what a FAKE number...

in 2005 46 million were uninsured.. we're not in a recession with jobs at all time low lol...

talk about blatant lies

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:46 PM
OK, lesson learned. No such thing as not starting something when Healthcare is the issue.

my bad...lol
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its funny....2 years ago if you said "so how bout healthcare....?" and you would have heard 2 things</P>


Yea I pay for it, **** is expensive</P>


or</P>


No i dont have it. it's too expensive.</P>


lol</P>


you wouldnt have 200 pages of block quote after block quote arguing about it lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:46 PM
edit: just so you know, Dezz doesn't think Bush lied, he thinks he was just reacting to the intel he had


Not just Dez, I believe that as well.

whats funny is you get on Bush for maybe or maybe not lying while Obama has lied more then any other president I know off, I think he passed Nixon long ago.


lol we had a president lie about a 2 trillion dollar war, which ****ed us in debt and lost american lives for no ****in reason

for u to justify it or try and say obama is wors ejust shows ur bias and how much full of **** you actually are

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:46 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu

Morehead State
03-30-2010, 01:46 PM
and u take exception to Obama instead of AT&amp;T


How many people does Obama employee...how many people does AT&amp;T employee...

yea, AT&amp;T is winning that one, and sorry, JOBS is the #1 issue right now, not 10 million people without health care out of over 300 million people in the country.


again what a FAKE number...

in 2005 46 million were uninsured.. we're not in a recession with jobs at all time low lol...

talk about blatant lies
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Matt,</P>


What color is the sky in your world?</P>


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ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 01:47 PM
OK, lesson learned. No such thing as not starting something when Healthcare is the issue.

my bad...lol
</P>


i have no clue why you posted that. next time just IM him and tell him where to go look.......</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:47 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
lol on liberalsrus.com . it went up when he passed it even thought almost 70% opposed it?! ok matt. what a bull**** poll.


lol where u gettin ur numbers from dezz... im curious

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:47 PM
and u take exception to Obama instead of AT&amp;T


How many people does Obama employee...how many people does AT&amp;T employee...

yea, AT&amp;T is winning that one, and sorry, JOBS is the #1 issue right now, not 10 million people without health care out of over 300 million people in the country.


again what a FAKE number...

in 2005 46 million were uninsured.. we're not in a recession with jobs at all time low lol...

talk about blatant lies


the 46 Million is the fake number, it includes millions of people who CHOOSE not to have insurance, as well as people who were just between jobs and currently now have Insurance again.

the real number of people who are "cronicly" uninsured or who actually have the problem of not being able to get insurance is between 10-12 million, the 30 million Pelosi and company trumpet is propaganda.

that 46 million is a crazy number, I can only assume that that number is the amount of people that at some point in 2005 were uninsured, but that's not a number based in reality...

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:49 PM
You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform,


NOONE is saying that, what people are saying is they don't want THIS BILL, THIS REFORM...because it's bad for us, and the majority of people agree on that.

everyone wants reform....it's Obama, and the left wing media that have turned this into "Either your for Obamacare...or you are against reform"

that's patently untrue, everyone wants reform, they just don't want reform if it comes at the cost of our country's well being like this bill.


well actually, dezz said it many times lol.

No the majority don't agree with that and the presidents approval rating getting bigger once it was approved actually proves that.


And no, this was turned into "IF YOUR FOR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE, YOUR A SOCIALIST"
was talking about the bill that passed. not nationalized health care in general

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:49 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
lol on liberalsrus.com . it went up when he passed it even thought almost 70% opposed it?! ok matt. what a bull**** poll.


lol where u gettin ur numbers from dezz... im curious




If you take all the polls being done by various sources and combine them Obama is around 40-41% approval rating.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:50 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
lol on liberalsrus.com . it went up when he passed it even thought almost 70% opposed it?! ok matt. what a bull**** poll.


lol where u gettin ur numbers from dezz... im curious

the rasmussen. i bit more credible.....

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 01:51 PM
You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform,


NOONE is saying that, what people are saying is they don't want THIS BILL, THIS REFORM...because it's bad for us, and the majority of people agree on that.

everyone wants reform....it's Obama, and the left wing media that have turned this into "Either your for Obamacare...or you are against reform"

that's patently untrue, everyone wants reform, they just don't want reform if it comes at the cost of our country's well being like this bill.


NO the people generating these horrible false arguments against health care dont want it. And they got people like you falling hook line and sinker. What is in this bill that you disagree with exactly. Lets get to the root of this once and for all. What part of this bill is bad?

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:51 PM
and lets not lie dezz. Gallup is a non partison website and Rasmussen i'm not totally sure on, but theres an article on thier main page saying the tea party people were right

they both seem like fair news places

Gallup DEF is

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 01:51 PM
OK, lesson learned. No such thing as not starting something when Healthcare is the issue.

my bad...lol
</p>


i have no clue why you posted that. next time just IM him and tell him where to go look.......</p>
I didn't think it would turn into this. I guess I should have known better.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:52 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:52 PM
the giants should cut kp

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 01:54 PM
OK, lesson learned. No such thing as not starting something when Healthcare is the issue.

my bad...lol
</P>


i have no clue why you posted that. next time just IM him and tell him where to go look.......</P>



I didn't think it would turn into this. I guess I should have known better.
</P>


it involves a subject mmb is passionate about.. you DEF shoulda knwn better lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:54 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 01:55 PM
What part of this bill is bad?

you want one part? how about the fact that it cuts 500 million dollars from Medicare.

another? the fact that it mandates small business's greater then 50 employees to supply health care for its employee's or pay a fine...which will of course lead to companies laying off employee's to get under the 50 employee mark to avoid the fine.

there are a million things wrong with this bill...the point is you and matt and others, are so swept up in "Hope and Change" that you fail to look at the specifics of the bill....you fail to realize you are being lied to.

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 01:55 PM
the giants should cut kp
</P>


what are you lacing your pot with?</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:55 PM
and u take exception to Obama instead of AT&amp;T


How many people does Obama employee...how many people does AT&amp;T employee...

yea, AT&amp;T is winning that one, and sorry, JOBS is the #1 issue right now, not 10 million people without health care out of over 300 million people in the country.


again what a FAKE number...

in 2005 46 million were uninsured.. we're not in a recession with jobs at all time low lol...

talk about blatant lies
</p>


Matt,</p>


What color is the sky in your world?</p>


</p>

lol i dunno a lil gray today, but im smart enough to not listen to an insuranc eCEO making a bland statement about insurance companies only profiting 4% ayear lol...

what color is your koolade?

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:57 PM
and u take exception to Obama instead of AT&amp;T


How many people does Obama employee...how many people does AT&amp;T employee...

yea, AT&amp;T is winning that one, and sorry, JOBS is the #1 issue right now, not 10 million people without health care out of over 300 million people in the country.


again what a FAKE number...

in 2005 46 million were uninsured.. we're not in a recession with jobs at all time low lol...

talk about blatant lies


the 46 Million is the fake number, it includes millions of people who CHOOSE not to have insurance, as well as people who were just between jobs and currently now have Insurance again.

the real number of people who are "cronicly" uninsured or who actually have the problem of not being able to get insurance is between 10-12 million, the 30 million Pelosi and company trumpet is propaganda.

that 46 million is a crazy number, I can only assume that that number is the amount of people that at some point in 2005 were uninsured, but that's not a number based in reality...




lol and the BIGGEST reason is they CANT AFFORD IT lol. Well i'd love to hear where u got ur numbers from.. i get mine from non partisan parties. 46 mil i sa crazy number but unfortunately its true.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 01:58 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:58 PM
You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform,


NOONE is saying that, what people are saying is they don't want THIS BILL, THIS REFORM...because it's bad for us, and the majority of people agree on that.

everyone wants reform....it's Obama, and the left wing media that have turned this into "Either your for Obamacare...or you are against reform"

that's patently untrue, everyone wants reform, they just don't want reform if it comes at the cost of our country's well being like this bill.


well actually, dezz said it many times lol.

No the majority don't agree with that and the presidents approval rating getting bigger once it was approved actually proves that.


And no, this was turned into "IF YOUR FOR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE, YOUR A SOCIALIST"
was talking about the bill that passed. not nationalized health care in general


well now ur contradicting every argument u've made, you mena you'd be for health care under a different premis? If you got someway to have national healthcare without spending money, i'd love to hear it cuz maybe u can change my views

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 01:59 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
lol on liberalsrus.com . it went up when he passed it even thought almost 70% opposed it?! ok matt. what a bull**** poll.


lol where u gettin ur numbers from dezz... im curious




If you take all the polls being done by various sources and combine them Obama is around 40-41% approval rating.


well again thats 10% more than what dezz said, but now im not gonna do that...

if theres one thing i hope we could agree on is that both parties twist things for themselves, i'll take the non partisan results and consider them the most accurate

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 01:59 PM
the giants should cut kp
</P>


lol die in a fire</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:00 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
lol on liberalsrus.com . it went up when he passed it even thought almost 70% opposed it?! ok matt. what a bull**** poll.


lol where u gettin ur numbers from dezz... im curious

the rasmussen. i bit more credible.....


i got my same exact numbers that i said to u from that smae page u did... its amazing how ur even arguing something with me looking at the SAME EXACT NUMBERS

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:01 PM
You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform,


NOONE is saying that, what people are saying is they don't want THIS BILL, THIS REFORM...because it's bad for us, and the majority of people agree on that.

everyone wants reform....it's Obama, and the left wing media that have turned this into "Either your for Obamacare...or you are against reform"

that's patently untrue, everyone wants reform, they just don't want reform if it comes at the cost of our country's well being like this bill.


NO the people generating these horrible false arguments against health care dont want it. And they got people like you falling hook line and sinker. What is in this bill that you disagree with exactly. Lets get to the root of this once and for all. What part of this bill is bad?



the cost is what their argument is

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 02:01 PM
jesus matt, does everything that disagree's with you just get blacked out by your mind? can't you read?

or did you just decide to ignore everyone who has "strong" feelings one way or the other, there are 4 columns you can't just look at one and say, see 47% ... winar!

Approve and Strongly approve = 77% (47% and 30%)
Disapprove and Strongly Disapprove = 86% (53% and 43%)

divide by 2

Approval of any sort = 33.5%
Disapproval of any sort = 43%

the rest is undecided.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:02 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.


well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 02:02 PM
the cost is what their argument is


Jobs, Cost and decreased quality of care.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 02:03 PM
well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point


what was your point? that dem's that were angry at Obama for not passing it are happy he finally passed it. great..good for you, that's not unexpected at all.

the majority of America still disapproves of this bill and Obama's presidency itself.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:04 PM
jesus matt, does everything that disagree's with you just get blacked out by your mind? can't you read?

lol


seriously man DEAD THIS ****!!!

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 02:04 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

go click on (see trends) it gives you numerical values which is more accurate then the graph which only shows half of the poll.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:06 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:06 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.


well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point
it was the stupid liberals yelling "yes we can", big deal. look at any poll of the support on this bill. majority didnt want it. whats your argument????

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:06 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

you were supposed to click on (see trends)


what trends, read the chart on the bottom of the page... it has the daily approval ratings lol

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:08 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.


well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point
it was the stupid liberals yelling "yes we can", big deal. look at any poll of the support on this bill. majority didnt want it. whats your argument????


lol OKAYYY dezz...

go find non partisan polls to support your facts...

seeing as how his total approval went up once it was passed just really negates any number crunching and twisting ur gonna try and throw at me from republican polls

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:10 PM
well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point


what was your point? that dem's that were angry at Obama for not passing it are happy he finally passed it. great..good for you, that's not unexpected at all.

the majority of America still disapproves of this bill and Obama's presidency itself.


and thats false, u have NOTHING to support that.

And please no matter what Obama did his approval rating would of been down and i never pull the race card, but u know GODDAMN WELL hick america was never gonna give this guy a chance

Joe Morrison
03-30-2010, 02:11 PM
Poll today says America ready for a Gay President, what's next?

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:12 PM
jesus matt, does everything that disagree's with you just get blacked out by your mind? can't you read?

or did you just decide to ignore everyone who has "strong" feelings one way or the other, there are 4 columns you can't just look at one and say, see 47% ... winar!

Approve and Strongly approve = 77% (47% and 30%)
Disapprove and Strongly Disapprove = 86% (53% and 43%)

divide by 2

Approval of any sort = 33.5%
Disapproval of any sort = 43%

the rest is undecided.


as of today: TOTAL approve : 47%, total disapprove 53%

with a black president in a recession lol

u go look at president approval ratings in a recession its amazing where hes at.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:13 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:14 PM
Poll today says America ready for a Gay President, what's next?

lets get a gay in the military first

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:15 PM
the giants should cut kp
</p>


lol die in a fire</p> hes a liability. we should go after g wilson

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 02:16 PM
53% is still the majority, and the majority disapproves, the majority disapproves of this bill as well.

and stop playing the race card, as many people hate him because he's black just as many love him, because he's black, and that's being conservative, IMHO he's gotten a HUGE boost by being the "first" black president, he's getting way more slack then any president before him.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:16 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop


first off, moron, thats a total approval/disapproval of his total job as president... NOT healthcare specific.

HEs had less than 50% approval pretty much the WHOLE time, minus the first 2 months. Hes black and we're ina recession,go loo kat the history of approval ratings in a recession.

Wasnt Bush at an 80% approval rating?

The fact remains his total approval rating went up 3 points once he passed the bill lol

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:18 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop


first off, moron, thats a total approval/disapproval of his total job as president... NOT healthcare specific.

omfg matt. thats why we brought it up in the first place. shhhhhhhhh all 3 of us are winners today. we love america. haha

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:21 PM
53% is still the majority, and the majority disapproves, the majority disapproves of this bill as well.

and stop playing the race card, as many people hate him because he's black just as many love him, because he's black, and that's being conservative, IMHO he's gotten a HUGE boost by being the "first" black president, he's getting way more slack then any president before him.




Doing what he said he'd do with healthcare, pulling out of iraq, saving the auto industry..

hes done more for this country than bush ever did, hes not getting slack hes made this a better place point blank

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:23 PM
53% is still the majority, and the majority disapproves, the majority disapproves of this bill as well.

and stop playing the race card, as many people hate him because he's black just as many love him, because he's black, and that's being conservative, IMHO he's gotten a HUGE boost by being the "first" black president, he's getting way more slack then any president before him.




and also, u guys were mixing what u were saying, i never said he was in the majority of being accepted, but the fact that there was a spike once the healthcare was passed, tells you that healthcare isn't a majority of people disliking...

mind u we're still ina recession, to no fault of obama. NO President has had a majority approval rating during times like this. So lets stop acting like its something personal. When people are out of work, they are not happy

Morehead State
03-30-2010, 02:24 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.


well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point
</P>


Scott Rasmussen (of the Rasmussen Poll) went to my high school. (Minnechaug Regional, Wilbraham, MA) He is six years younger thatn me. Was a star goalie on the hockey team. His mother was my freshman English teacher AND along with his father Bill is the <U>co founder of ESPN</U>.</P>


As a matter of fact Bill Rasmussen was chosen several years ago as the 7th most important person in Sports history.</P>


And Matt you are all wrong on all your numbers. Do some objective research.</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:25 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop


first off, moron, thats a total approval/disapproval of his total job as president... NOT healthcare specific.

omfg matt. thats why we brought it up in the first place. shhhhhhhhh all 3 of us are winners today. we love america. haha


this whole thing was started on healthcare **** lol what are u talkin about.

no president has ever had majority approval during recession and we're at all time highs of unemployment - can't fight history or facts my man

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:26 PM
what im really concerned about is how this new bill effects kps knee. now will he be covered by the giants?! or will he have to pay from his own pocket?????

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:27 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.


well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point
</p>


Scott Rasmussen (of the Rasmussen Poll) went to my high school. (Minnechaug Regional, Wilbraham, MA) He is six years younger thatn me. Was a star goalie on the hockey team. His mother was my freshman English teacher AND along with his father Bill is the <u>co founder of ESPN</u>.</p>


As a matter of fact Bill Rasmussen was chosen several years ago as the 7th most important person in Sports history.</p>


And Matt you are all wrong on all your numbers. Do some objective research.</p>

so ur saying Rasmussin isn't objective? I have two objective polls backing my arguments

bigblue4417
03-30-2010, 02:27 PM
Poll today says America ready for a Gay President, what's next?
Better that than a woman. lol j/k

I support Pizz for president no matter what is sexual preferences are...

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:27 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop


first off, moron, thats a total approval/disapproval of his total job as president... NOT healthcare specific.

omfg matt. thats why we brought it up in the first place. shhhhhhhhh all 3 of us are winners today. we love america. haha


this whole thing was started on healthcare **** lol what are u talkin about.

no president has ever had majority approval during recession and we're at all time highs of unemployment - can't fight history or facts my man
im fighting???

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:28 PM
Poll today says America ready for a Gay President, what's next?
Better that than a woman. lol j/k

I support Pizz for president no matter what is sexual preferences are...


post of the day

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:29 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop


first off, moron, thats a total approval/disapproval of his total job as president... NOT healthcare specific.

omfg matt. thats why we brought it up in the first place. shhhhhhhhh all 3 of us are winners today. we love america. haha


this whole thing was started on healthcare **** lol what are u talkin about.

no president has ever had majority approval during recession and we're at all time highs of unemployment - can't fight history or facts my man
im fighting???


well it seems like you are. A big victory point for u is that Obama doesn't have majority approval rating in one of the worst unemployment stretches this country has seen

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:29 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop


first off, moron, thats a total approval/disapproval of his total job as president... NOT healthcare specific.

omfg matt. thats why we brought it up in the first place. shhhhhhhhh all 3 of us are winners today. we love america. haha


this whole thing was started on healthcare **** lol what are u talkin about.

no president has ever had majority approval during recession and we're at all time highs of unemployment - can't fight history or facts my man
im fighting???


well it seems like you are. A big victory point for u is that Obama doesn't have majority approval rating in one of the worst unemployment stretches this country has seen

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 02:30 PM
What part of this bill is bad?

you want one part? how about the fact that it cuts 500 million dollars from Medicare.

another? the fact that it mandates small business's greater then 50 employees to supply health care for its employee's or pay a fine...which will of course lead to companies laying off employee's to get under the 50 employee mark to avoid the fine.

there are a million things wrong with this bill...the point is you and matt and others, are so swept up in "Hope and Change" that you fail to look at the specifics of the bill....you fail to realize you are being lied to.


Um there is way more than $500 million dollars in waste in the medicare system thats been a known fact for years. Was this bill bad when it included a medicare expansion that would have brought much more money into the medicare system? Who killed that idea? Oh yea the republicans thats right.

Companies like Walmart have been abusing there employees for years by not supplying healthcare. Its about time its been made right. If you are able to employ 50 people you are more than capable of supplying them with insurance. I employ less than 10 and they all are covered! You assume companies will lay off thats not a fact. and it wouldnt work anyway cause then they'd have to give there current employees more hours and everyone over 30 hrs will have to be covered.

So can we get something with some actual substance that you didnt google quick. I eat republican talking points so easily

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:36 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 02:36 PM
OMFG what have I walked into......


Call me crazy, but if u guys wanna talk politics, lets make a 'Politics Thread' or something like that and NOT carry our beliefs over into Giants Talk..... I just see this getting BAD and real quick

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:38 PM
OMFG what have I walked into......


Call me crazy, but if u guys wanna talk politics, lets make a 'Politics Thread' or something like that and NOT carry our beliefs over into Giants Talk..... I just see this getting BAD and real quick


lol bro u've been away durin the day for too long.. this has happened about 20 times already lol

Morehead State
03-30-2010, 02:38 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.


well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point
</P>


Scott Rasmussen (of the Rasmussen Poll) went to my high school. (Minnechaug Regional, Wilbraham, MA) He is six years younger thatn me. Was a star goalie on the hockey team. His mother was my freshman English teacher AND along with his father Bill is the <U>co founder of ESPN</U>.</P>


As a matter of fact Bill Rasmussen was chosen several years ago as the 7th most important person in Sports history.</P>


And Matt you are all wrong on all your numbers. Do some objective research.</P>




so ur saying Rasmussin isn't objective? I have two objective polls backing my arguments
</P>


Best pollster out there. He got the 2008 election right almost exactly on the number.</P>


Your numbers about the uninsured are completely wrong.</P>


Most estimates are than approximated 10MM people don't have health insurance because they can't afford it. The rest choose not to have it. The way that this new HC bill supposedly provides coverage for estimated 37MM people is 1) To extend Medicaid coverage to those up to 133% of the poverty level instead of the current 100%. This is an unfunded mandate on states. Half of the new coverage must be paid out of state budgets, not included in the CBO estimates....And 2) to order the rest to but HC insurance from private insurance companies through HC exchanges. Or face a stiff penalty enforced by the IRS. The government is hiring an additional 16,500 IRS agents to monitor every Americans finances to make sure they have coverage. In other words...more BIG BROTHER from the IRS.</P>


Another gift to the American people by our wonderful President.</P>


These are facts. I suggest you do your own investigating to validate.</P>

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 02:39 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....
</P>


its your own damn fault. how many times are we going to have to listen to you repeat yourself............</P>

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 02:39 PM
OMFG what have I walked into......


Call me crazy, but if u guys wanna talk politics, lets make a 'Politics Thread' or something like that and NOT carry our beliefs over into Giants Talk..... I just see this getting BAD and real quick


lol bro u've been away durin the day for too long.. this has happened about 20 times already lol

Damn yo, Im happy that I work 8am-330pm and cant access a comp at work..... Im sure I would have dived head 1st into this and left PO'd, LOL

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 02:41 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PuZoLkvmBbc/SV5h1JvV_QI/AAAAAAAABnI/r4uAaHKklXs/s320/The+Derek+Zoolander+Center+For+Kids+Who+Can%27t+Re ad+Good+And+Who+Wanna.jpg</P>


http://www.fox-hound.us/misc/Zoolander-Magnum.png</P>

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 02:44 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....


Hahahaha me too. But it's good to see everyone hasn't lost their minds. I just got into an argument with the damn fed ex driver about this. I mean Fox has people brainwashed. But i am done I'll go to huffingtonpost if I wanna talk politics.

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 02:46 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PuZoLkvmBbc/SV5h1JvV_QI/AAAAAAAABnI/r4uAaHKklXs/s320/The+Derek+Zoolander+Center+For+Kids+Who+Can%27t+Re ad+Good+And+Who+Wanna.jpg</p>


http://www.fox-hound.us/misc/Zoolander-Magnum.png</p>

Hahahah. What is this a center for ants!!! How are they supposed to learn to read if they cant fit into the building!!

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 02:46 PM
=]

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:47 PM
why do u blame the rise of unemployment on him...

2 reasons.

#1) before and after passing his "stimulus" bill, he flat out promised that the bill would prevent unemployment going over 8% it's currently over 10%

#2) since he's taken over it's gone up exponentially, it's gone up MUCH faster then when Bush was in office...


there is a limit on how many times you can use the "blame bush" excuse, he wasn't great, but he managed to keep us safe after one of the most horrific attacks on our country in it's history, did he waste some money doing so...well yeah...especially if we are going to destroy ourselves after he went through so much trouble protecting us from outside enemies.


are u guys like in denial about the time table and effects of the deficit that bush put us in? Like can't you just be real for once and put ur agendas aside. Whose stimulus bill was that again?
im not in denial about anything man. he doesnt have americas priorities straight.....and thats who he works for


he doesn't have YOUR priorities aligned with his. Thats a matter of opinion of what americas priorities should be.

You guys keep saying that America doesn't want Healthcare reform, but they voted the man in (significantly) on the premis that that would be what hes gonna do. Lol, i think ur just in denial about what truly the MAJORITY of the american people want
lol well his approval rating getting closer and closer to the 30's so i guess america changed its mind.



http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage


do u ever get sick of talking out of ur ***... hes currently at 47% and it increased with the national healthcare being passed lol
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
*** backwards to what your claiming.






in all seriousness lets all stfu



http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


its a stead 47-48 %, which is 2-4% higher than PRE healthcare being passed lol, its TOTALLY supporting what im claiming.

Its also 17-18% better than what u were saying...

MIND you a black in a country that isn't totally accepting of it and in in a depression...
it went up a percent the day it was passed, now its coming back down.


what crack are u on?! Total approved was at 44% average, the day it passed til today its been 47-48% approval...

its amazing, u republicans will even try to lie with the numbers smacking u in the face lol
moron(ilove you), look at disapproval. over 50% disapproves. thats a majority.lol pleeease stoooop


first off, moron, thats a total approval/disapproval of his total job as president... NOT healthcare specific.

omfg matt. thats why we brought it up in the first place. shhhhhhhhh all 3 of us are winners today. we love america. haha


this whole thing was started on healthcare **** lol what are u talkin about.

no president has ever had majority approval during recession and we're at all time highs of unemployment - can't fight history or facts my man
im fighting???


well it seems like you are. A big victory point for u is that Obama doesn't have majority approval rating in one of the worst unemployment stretches this country has seen
well, well see how americans feel about the left in nov....

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 02:48 PM
Um there is way more than $500 million dollars in waste in the medicare system thats been a known fact for years. Was this bill bad when it included a medicare expansion that would have brought much more money into the medicare system? Who killed that idea? Oh yea the republicans thats right.

Yeah those Evil republicans...oh wait, they couldn't have killed that, because the Dem's have a super Majority, the Republicans had no say in this at all, it's 100% partisan, anything good OR bad that comes out of this is squarely on the democratic party...and trust me, there will be A LOT of bad coming.


Companies like Walmart have been abusing there employees for years by not supplying healthcare.

Not supplying a perk is not considered "abuse" those employee's can still get their own health care\ by purchasing it themselves, or going on the already existing government controlled health care, Medicare Medicad or whatever...


Its about time its been made right. If you are able to employ 50 people you are more than capable of supplying them with insurance.

That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say, especially with the way things are right now, It's entirely possible that you are struggling to stay afloat and yet have 50 employee's what are you going to do, keep 50 employee's and supply health care, Pay the Fine (which is significantly less then supplying health care) or fire one guy, and avoid the situation all together.


I employ less than 10 and they all are covered! You assume companies will lay off thats not a fact. and it wouldnt work anyway cause then they'd have to give there current employees more hours and everyone over 30 hrs will have to be covered.

you assume all companies are doing as well as yours, that's clearly not a fact, and by the way 10 is less then 50, a plan for 50 people is far more expensive then a plan for 10, and it IS a fact that some companies will lay off, the point blank interviewed many small business owners who said they would be doing so.


So can we get something with some actual substance that you didnt google quick. I eat republican talking points so easily


I'm bringing up substance, you are calling them talking points because you don't have any substance to debunk them with.

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 02:50 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/march_2010/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010/299659-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_march_30_2010.jpg

www.rasmussenreports.com

America doesn't like what Obama is doing, that much is clear.


well thank you, because the spike went up once the healthcare was passed...

thank u for proving my point
</p>


Scott Rasmussen (of the Rasmussen Poll) went to my high school. (Minnechaug Regional, Wilbraham, MA) He is six years younger thatn me. Was a star goalie on the hockey team. His mother was my freshman English teacher AND along with his father Bill is the <u>co founder of ESPN</u>.</p>


As a matter of fact Bill Rasmussen was chosen several years ago as the 7th most important person in Sports history.</p>


And Matt you are all wrong on all your numbers. Do some objective research.</p>




so ur saying Rasmussin isn't objective? I have two objective polls backing my arguments
</p>


Best pollster out there. He got the 2008 election right almost exactly on the number.</p>


Your numbers about the uninsured are completely wrong.</p>


Most estimates are than approximated 10MM people don't have health insurance because they can't afford it. The rest choose not to have it. The way that this new HC bill supposedly provides coverage for estimated 37MM people is 1) To extend Medicaid coverage to those up to 133% of the poverty level instead of the current 100%. This is an unfunded mandate on states. Half of the new coverage must be paid out of state budgets, not included in the CBO estimates....And 2) to order the rest to but HC insurance from private insurance companies through HC exchanges. Or face a stiff penalty enforced by the IRS. The government is hiring an additional 16,500 IRS agents to monitor every Americans finances to make sure they have coverage. In other words...more BIG BROTHER from the IRS.</p>


Another gift to the American people by our wonderful President.</p>


These are facts. I suggest you do your own investigating to validate.</p>Spoken like someone who has had health coverage for QUITE some time and knows nobody without it...

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 02:52 PM
Kase in the mix! look out *****es! haha

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:52 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....
</p>


its your own damn fault. how many times are we going to have to listen to you repeat yourself............</p>

as many times as it will take to pound it into dezz's head

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 02:55 PM
Spoken like someone who has had health coverage for QUITE some time and knows nobody without it...


Spoken like someone who doesn't realize that people die waiting on treatment under government controlled Health Care.

right now the VAST VAST VAST VAST majority of Americans HAVE Health Insurance, and good Health Insurance...

what is this bill really accomplishing, I mean really? we already have the best health care system in the world, instead of tweaking the current system, which is by far the best in the world we choose to scrap the whole thing and go with a system that hasn't worked anywhere? doesn't make sense.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:55 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....
</p>


its your own damn fault. how many times are we going to have to listen to you repeat yourself............</p>

as many times as it will take to pound it into dezz's head
your not gonna change my mind and im not going to change yours.

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 02:56 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....
</P>


its your own damn fault. how many times are we going to have to listen to you repeat yourself............</P>




as many times as it will take to pound it into dezz's head
</P>


well maybe you shouldnt be trying so desperately to change his mind, regardless of how wrong you think he is. That comment alone is enough reason to why this BS should be squashed in this thread.</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:57 PM
Spoken like someone who has had health coverage for QUITE some time and knows nobody without it...


Spoken like someone who doesn't realize that people die waiting on treatment under government controlled Health Care.

right now the VAST VAST VAST VAST majority of Americans HAVE Health Insurance, and good Health Insurance...

what is this bill really accomplishing, I mean really? we already have the best health care system in the world, instead of tweaking the current system, which is by far the best in the world we choose to scrap the whole thing and go with a system that hasn't worked anywhere? doesn't make sense.


thats why every canadian on these boards think ur crazy for not wanting it... because the service is so bad.

You act like people aren't dying from healthcare now. These private companies have been ****ING their paying customers forever...

Canada loves it... ask bandy or bansaw... it totally works, u just wish it didn't because those who have it love it

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 02:57 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....
</p>


its your own damn fault. how many times are we going to have to listen to you repeat yourself............</p>




as many times as it will take to pound it into dezz's head
</p>


well maybe you shouldnt be trying so desperately to change his mind, regardless of how wrong you think he is. That comment alone is enough reason to why this BS should be squashed in this thread.</p>and why america is the way it is.......

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:58 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....
</p>


its your own damn fault. how many times are we going to have to listen to you repeat yourself............</p>




as many times as it will take to pound it into dezz's head
</p>


well maybe you shouldnt be trying so desperately to change his mind, regardless of how wrong you think he is. That comment alone is enough reason to why this BS should be squashed in this thread.</p>and why america is the way it is.......


lets not forget who baits who into this arguments every time lol

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 02:59 PM
i think Rolando McClain is about to get interviewed on NFL sirius radio... i'll keep u republicans posted


EDIT: yes he is... soon as they get back from commercial

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:01 PM
Kase in the mix! look out *****es! haha
"Just when I thought I was out.... THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!!!"
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dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:01 PM
i &lt;3 giantinpa81

i am done for the day tho...

u ****ers made me waste 3 hours of non stop typing now im goin to lunch....
</p>


its your own damn fault. how many times are we going to have to listen to you repeat yourself............</p>




as many times as it will take to pound it into dezz's head
</p>


well maybe you shouldnt be trying so desperately to change his mind, regardless of how wrong you think he is. That comment alone is enough reason to why this BS should be squashed in this thread.</p>and why america is the way it is.......


lets not forget who baits who into this arguments every time lol
lol i didnt start **** today. haha

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:04 PM
http://boards.giants.com/forums/1717001/ShowThread.aspx#1717001

i'll do the McClain interview in here

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:04 PM
thats why every canadian on these boards think ur crazy for not wanting it... because the service is so bad.

You act like people aren't dying from healthcare now. These private companies have been ****ING their paying customers forever...

Canada loves it... ask bandy or bansaw... it totally works, u just wish it didn't because those who have it love it

They don't know any better, they've been under the system for too long.

It "sounds" nice, oh everyone's covered, nothing to worry about, except in reality it doesn't work that way, it's a huge strain on the economy and it rations care, decreasing the quality of care....for a sprained ankle sure it's just fine, but for Cancer? for the HIV, for other life threatening or rare problems, it's horrible, need a transplant? you better be between the ages of 5-35 and better not have any pre-existing conditions otherwise the GOVERNMENT will tell you that you don't deserve a new heart, and no amount of money will change it.

there is a reason the richest and most important people in the world all come to America for their Health care....and I tell you since you don't seem to get it, it's because it's the best.

these private insurance companies might be ****ing people, maybe, but they only make a 3% profit margin, so if they are, they haven't figured out a way to make money ****ing people, that said, they are only doing what the Governments been doing for ages, getting in the way, the middle man IS the problem, I'll agree with that, but what the difference if it's the government being the middle man vs private industry, the only difference is the government has no competition, it has no reason at all to provide quality care, unlike private industry, which needs to do it in order to compete against other companies.

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 03:07 PM
Um there is way more than $500 million dollars in waste in the medicare system thats been a known fact for years. Was this bill bad when it included a medicare expansion that would have brought much more money into the medicare system? Who killed that idea? Oh yea the republicans thats right.

Yeah those Evil republicans...oh wait, they couldn't have killed that, because the Dem's have a super Majority, the Republicans had no say in this at all, it's 100% partisan, anything good OR bad that comes out of this is squarely on the democratic party...and trust me, there will be A LOT of bad coming.


Companies like Walmart have been abusing there employees for years by not supplying healthcare.

Not supplying a perk is not considered "abuse" those employee's can still get their own health care\ by purchasing it themselves, or going on the already existing government controlled health care, Medicare Medicad or whatever...


Its about time its been made right. If you are able to employ 50 people you are more than capable of supplying them with insurance.

That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say, especially with the way things are right now, It's entirely possible that you are struggling to stay afloat and yet have 50 employee's what are you going to do, keep 50 employee's and supply health care, Pay the Fine (which is significantly less then supplying health care) or fire one guy, and avoid the situation all together.


I employ less than 10 and they all are covered! You assume companies will lay off thats not a fact. and it wouldnt work anyway cause then they'd have to give there current employees more hours and everyone over 30 hrs will have to be covered.

you assume all companies are doing as well as yours, that's clearly not a fact, and by the way 10 is less then 50, a plan for 50 people is far more expensive then a plan for 10, and it IS a fact that some companies will lay off, the point blank interviewed many small business owners who said they would be doing so.


So can we get something with some actual substance that you didnt google quick. I eat republican talking points so easily


I'm bringing up substance, you are calling them talking points because you don't have any substance to debunk them with.


This will be my last message on this subject cause your clearly just gonna keep ignoring the facts.

Perhaps you dont know who Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) is but I do. She has been part of this process all along my friend.

Healthcare is not a damn perk it is a right and should have always been. It is abuse of your employess to pay them minimum wage and not supply them healthcare when you are the biggest retail company in the country!!!! It is cause they fire anyone who even whispers the word union in that place!!! I have done much research so trust me don't go there. Walmart employees are a huge burden to the government while Walmart makes billions in profits and thats ok?

If you are struggling then you may need to release some people. Whether or not you can afford to cover your employees should be a consideration BEFORE you hire people. Most people cant afford an insurance policy without help from there job. So if you cant afford to cover them maybe you shouldn't hire them. And like I said if the Rethugs would get outta the way of the public option healthcare cost would drop significantly.

No crap 10 is less than 50 but per person it cost me more to insure 10 than it would 50. You obviously don't know how a business works and the factors that go into hiring. Most companies employing 50 people or more have insurance offered already. That is a fact. Also the government doesn't mandate what coverage or how much of the coverage the company must pay for. so there is plenty of lee way in there.

Like I said you aren't saying anything from your own knowledge you are spitting out things that you heard places like Fox news. You have to go look this stuff up for yourself.Your argument is based on falsehoods and exaggerations. I hope one day you find the truth.

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 03:10 PM
http://boards.giants.com/forums/1717001/ShowThread.aspx#1717001

i'll do the McClain interview in here
</P>


youre going to conduct an interview in here?? =O</P>

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:11 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:12 PM
So if you cant afford to cover them maybe you shouldn't hire them.

whether you are firing or not hiring the problem is the same, unemployment, people having jobs and lacking privatized health care is better then people not having jobs and depending on the government for health care.


No crap 10 is less than 50 but per person it cost me more to insure 10 than it would 50.

And yet, a 50 person plan is still more costly then a 10 person plan.




Also the government doesn't mandate what coverage or how much of the coverage the company must pay for. so there is plenty of lee way in there.

YET, but they will be in 2014.

whose eating whose talking points now?

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:12 PM
Spoken like someone who has had health coverage for QUITE some time and knows nobody without it...


Spoken like someone who doesn't realize that people die waiting on treatment under government controlled Health Care.

right now the VAST VAST VAST VAST majority of Americans HAVE Health Insurance, and good Health Insurance...

what is this bill really accomplishing, I mean really? we already have the best health care system in the world, instead of tweaking the current system, which is by far the best in the world we choose to scrap the whole thing and go with a system that hasn't worked anywhere? doesn't make sense.
Spoken like someone who doesnt realize that people die more often because they cannot afford a doctor and make too much money to be on the current Govt run health care.... At least the people you speak of can actually visit a doctor without having to miss rent or not go grocery shopping because their money was given to the doctor

LOL, thats BS..... Tens of MILLIONS of Americans DO NOT have health care and cannot afford to visit doctors and dentists like many out there, hell I was working for YEARS and didnt have health insurance (I was making too much to get govt health care and the companies I worked for didnt offer it), and this Thursday I FINALLY get insurance from my new job. I dunno where you get your facts from but one of the biggest, if not THE biggest platform that got our current president elected was his views on Health Care

Well 1 good thing the bill is accompliushing is that it allows people under 27 (or 26) to stay under their parents health plan, as well as not allowing health insurance providers to drop coverage for individuals once they get seriously ill which was a HUGE thing..... And if we already had the best health coverage in the world Health Care wouldnt have been one of the biggest issues that got our President elected

And yes, we DO have great health coverage.... That is if you have no pre-existing conditions, good health insurance from your job or have the means to pay HUGE amounts of money out of pocket

EDIT: Thanks for dragging me into this discussion, all I wanted to do was stay out of it.... Ya Bastjd!!!!

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 03:12 PM
these private insurance companies might be ****ing people, maybe, but they only make a 3% profit margin, so if they are, they haven't figured out a way to make money ****ing people, that said, they are only doing what the Governments been doing for ages, getting in the way, the middle man IS the problem, I'll agree with that, but what the difference if it's the government being the middle man vs private industry, the only difference is the government has no competition, it has no reason at all to provide quality care, unlike private industry, which needs to do it in order to compete against other companies.


LMAO 3% profit margin. Do you wanna see what these board members in those companies makes? They are making a killing 3% isn't the half. The difference is the government has to answer to me every 2-4 years. CEO's don't. They just keep killing in the name of the bottom line. Australia, Germany, UK, all have universal healthcare. Germanies system is rather excellent.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:13 PM
more americans need jobs then need health care. can we all agree on that?!

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 03:15 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.
</P>


I usually make up a family excuse if I dont want the hours.
Got family dinner........gotta pick up my sister from school....lol</P>


i dont even have a sister.....</P>

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 03:16 PM
more americans need jobs then need health care. can we all agree on that?!
</P>


jobs r gud</P>

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:18 PM
more americans need jobs then need health care. can we all agree on that?!
And jobs WITH health care would be GREAT!!!!

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:20 PM
Spoken like someone who doesnt realize that people die more often because they cannot afford a doctor and make too much money to be on the current Govt run health care.... At least the people you speak of can actually visit a doctor without having to miss rent or not go grocery shopping because their money was given to the doctor

More people die, waiting for care, under a government run system, then die, because they can't afford care under our former system.


LOL, thats BS..... Tens of MILLIONS of Americans DO NOT have health care and cannot afford to visit doctors and dentists like many out there, hell I was working for YEARS and didnt have health insurance (I was making too much to get govt health care and the companies I worked for didnt offer it), and this Thursday I FINALLY get insurance from my new job. I dunno where you get your facts from but one of the biggest, if not THE biggest platform that got our current president elected was his views on Health Care

Yes, about 10 million out of 300+ million Americans didn't have Health Care, that is a very small minority.


as well as not allowing health insurance providers to drop coverage for individuals once they get seriously ill which was a HUGE thing..... And if we already had the best health coverage in the world Health Care wouldnt have been one of the biggest issues that got our President elected

and the down side is it mandates that they MUST accept people who are seriously ill, people who clearly can not pay into Insurance enough to cover the care they will need, pretty much they are trying to make Insurance Companies go out of business....and honestly, Health Insurance providers weren't dropping coverage on seriously ill patients any more then the government run health care will do the same.



And yes, we DO have great health coverage.... That is if you have no pre-existing conditions, good health insurance from your job or have the means to pay HUGE amounts of money out of pocket


and instead you'd rather have people with pre-existing conditions covered, at the cost of quality of care higher premiums?

sorry I disagree.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:20 PM
more americans need jobs then need health care. can we all agree on that?!
And jobs WITH health care would be GREAT!!!!


can't have both.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:20 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.
</p>


I usually make up a family excuse if I dont want the hours.
Got family dinner........gotta pick up my sister from school....lol</p>


i dont even have a sister.....</p> well my boss is my dad soo im ****ed in that regard. lol i did it the other day though, coworker asked if i could stay later on a saturday, immediately i said no i have plans. **** that noise. im very time oriented at work. i think ohh just 2 more hours, then think, 2 hours ago i was helping that customerthat came in. that went fast maybe these 2 hours will go fast too. and i get all psyched about it.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:21 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.


LMAO

"YOUR BOSS"

thats like the dude from Grandmas Boy tlaking about his "ROOMMATES"

LMAO

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:22 PM
LMAO 3% profit margin.


yes 3% that is a FACT, and by the way, it's likely a much smaller profit margin then your own company makes, maybe the government should be regulating your business for you too because clearly you are making more money then you should be...amirte?

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 03:23 PM
So if you cant afford to cover them maybe you shouldn't hire them.

whether you are firing or not hiring the problem is the same, unemployment, people having jobs and lacking privatized health care is better then people not having jobs and depending on the government for health care.


No crap 10 is less than 50 but per person it cost me more to insure 10 than it would 50.

And yet, a 50 person plan is still more costly then a 10 person plan.




Also the government doesn't mandate what coverage or how much of the coverage the company must pay for. so there is plenty of lee way in there.

YET, but they will be in 2014.

whose eating whose talking points now?


Problem? I think not. It may force people to stop being dependent on someone else for a job in some cases. Really? is that truly better? Because I am sure there credit reports will beg to differ, with all of the unpaid high priced doctor bills they are sure to have. Which is sure to effect all the other facets of life.

But hey they have a job, until they get fired for missing work and not having a doctors excuse cause they couldn't afford to go to one.

They can work until they get an illness that takes everything from them and the hospital bills bankrupts the family.

How could a 10 person plan be less than a 50 person thats just idiotic. Do you employ people? Have you ever employed people? Then what do you know about this process. I can tell you haven't by your comments by the way.

Their is nothing in the Bill that says that. Have you read the bill?

That would be me again destroying yours, but hey you make it easy.

Stop thinking so short sided.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:24 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.
</p>


I usually make up a family excuse if I dont want the hours.
Got family dinner........gotta pick up my sister from school....lol</p>


i dont even have a sister.....</p> well my boss is my dad soo im ****ed in that regard. lol i did it the other day though, coworker asked if i could stay later on a saturday, immediately i said no i have plans. **** that noise. im very time oriented at work. i think ohh just 2 more hours, then think, 2 hours ago i was helping that customerthat came in. that went fast maybe these 2 hours will go fast too. and i get all psyched about it.


LMAOOOO

do u refer to them as ur roommates too?

IM ACTUALLY CRYING LOL

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:25 PM
LMAO 3% profit margin.


yes 3% that is a FACT, and by the way, it's likely a much smaller profit margin then your own company makes, maybe the government should be regulating your business for you too because clearly you are making more money then you should be...amirte?


after cost n overhead of fat cats being padi ridiculous bonuses and salaries...

its actually not a 3% profit margin... thats like me listening to polls from democratic meetinghalls...

talk about drinking the koolade and how much of a joke ur argument is.

Im sorry beyond anything, u latching on to that really just discredits anything else u can say

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:26 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.


LMAO

"YOUR BOSS"

thats like the dude from Grandmas Boy tlaking about his "ROOMMATES"

LMAO
hes still my boss. lol its no picnic matt let me tell you. when a coworker ****s up, IM getting yelled at cause im "showroom manager". like i told pizz i cant do the whole pick my sister up from school bit or any of that j*** either. the perks are very limited. lol

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:28 PM
Spoken like someone who doesnt realize that people die more often because they cannot afford a doctor and make too much money to be on the current Govt run health care.... At least the people you speak of can actually visit a doctor without having to miss rent or not go grocery shopping because their money was given to the doctor



LOL the scare tactic... that is SOOOOOOOOO grossly overexaggerated. Go ask Canadains how they feel about i


LOL, thats BS..... Tens of MILLIONS of Americans DO NOT have health care and cannot afford to visit doctors and dentists like many out there, hell I was working for YEARS and didnt have health insurance (I was making too much to get govt health care and the companies I worked for didnt offer it), and this Thursday I FINALLY get insurance from my new job. I dunno where you get your facts from but one of the biggest, if not THE biggest platform that got our current president elected was his views on Health Care

Yes, about 10 million out of 300+ million Americans didn't have Health Care, that is a very small minority.


as well as not allowing health insurance providers to drop coverage for individuals once they get seriously ill which was a HUGE thing..... And if we already had the best health coverage in the world Health Care wouldnt have been one of the biggest issues that got our President elected

and the down side is it mandates that they MUST accept people who are seriously ill, people who clearly can not pay into Insurance enough to cover the care they will need, pretty much they are trying to make Insurance Companies go out of business....and honestly, Health Insurance providers weren't dropping coverage on seriously ill patients any more then the government run health care will do the same.



And yes, we DO have great health coverage.... That is if you have no pre-existing conditions, good health insurance from your job or have the means to pay HUGE amounts of money out of pocket


and instead you'd rather have people with pre-existing conditions covered, at the cost of quality of care higher premiums?

sorry I disagree.


More people die, waiting for care, under a government run system, then
die, because they can't afford care under our former system.



--- who drinks the koolade? Typical Republican scare tactic...

go ask Canadaians if they have an truthful experience with that

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 03:29 PM
LMAO 3% profit margin.


yes 3% that is a FACT, and by the way, it's likely a much smaller profit margin then your own company makes, maybe the government should be regulating your business for you too because clearly you are making more money then you should be...amirte?


They could try but I'd just make it another way. That's what a good businessman does. Besides we don't decide whether people live or die in my business. We are talking about people's lives here man. 3% is not a fact and your foolish to believe so. Its a fabrication. Read!

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/09/zirkelbach-profits/

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:29 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.


LMAO

"YOUR BOSS"

thats like the dude from Grandmas Boy tlaking about his "ROOMMATES"

LMAO
hes still my boss. lol its no picnic matt let me tell you. when a coworker ****s up, IM getting yelled at cause im "showroom manager". like i told pizz i cant do the whole pick my sister up from school bit or any of that j*** either. the perks are very limited. lol


lol na grandmas boy just popped in my head when u did that, im still actually laughing lol

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:30 PM
Spoken like someone who doesnt realize that people die more often because they cannot afford a doctor and make too much money to be on the current Govt run health care.... At least the people you speak of can actually visit a doctor without having to miss rent or not go grocery shopping because their money was given to the doctor

More people die, waiting for care, under a government run system, then die, because they can't afford care under our former system.


LOL, thats BS..... Tens of MILLIONS of Americans DO NOT have health care and cannot afford to visit doctors and dentists like many out there, hell I was working for YEARS and didnt have health insurance (I was making too much to get govt health care and the companies I worked for didnt offer it), and this Thursday I FINALLY get insurance from my new job. I dunno where you get your facts from but one of the biggest, if not THE biggest platform that got our current president elected was his views on Health Care

Yes, about 10 million out of 300+ million Americans didn't have Health Care, that is a very small minority.


as well as not allowing health insurance providers to drop coverage for individuals once they get seriously ill which was a HUGE thing..... And if we already had the best health coverage in the world Health Care wouldnt have been one of the biggest issues that got our President elected

and the down side is it mandates that they MUST accept people who are seriously ill, people who clearly can not pay into Insurance enough to cover the care they will need, pretty much they are trying to make Insurance Companies go out of business....and honestly, Health Insurance providers weren't dropping coverage on seriously ill patients any more then the government run health care will do the same.



And yes, we DO have great health coverage.... That is if you have no pre-existing conditions, good health insurance from your job or have the means to pay HUGE amounts of money out of pocket


and instead you'd rather have people with pre-existing conditions covered, at the cost of quality of care higher premiums?

sorry I disagree.
HOLY SHJT I Figured it out..... Daven works for 'Fox News', how could we all be so silly!!!!

OK your 1st point has no validity to it, how is that even possible.... People that cant see the Dr are just magically healthier is it that they can just wait longer than those that actually can under our current govt run plan??

So you'd rather have someone whos seriously ill and NEEDS health coverage die than have an insurance company go out of business?? You act like these guys havent been reaping the benefits and raaping the helpless for YEARS, the people who run the insurance co's are heartless bastids who care about a buck rather than actually helping people.... And I havent heard ONCE that seriously ill patients were dropped from govt healthcare once diagnosed

And yes, Id rather save lives of people that need health care rather than worrying about 1 or 2 more dollars on my insurance premium that isnt much to begin with..... Sorry I have a soul, LOL


...... See man, I wish ya just DIDNT quote me before and just left me outta this one

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:31 PM
more americans need jobs then need health care. can we all agree on that?!
And jobs WITH health care would be GREAT!!!!


can't have both.
Why not????

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:35 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.


LMAO

"YOUR BOSS"

thats like the dude from Grandmas Boy tlaking about his "ROOMMATES"

LMAO
hes still my boss. lol its no picnic matt let me tell you. when a coworker ****s up, IM getting yelled at cause im "showroom manager". like i told pizz i cant do the whole pick my sister up from school bit or any of that j*** either. the perks are very limited. lol


lol na grandmas boy just popped in my head when u did that, im still actually laughing lol
ehh this is more me.
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Grandmas_Boy%20-%204%20-%20Allen_Covert%20Nick_Swardson.jpg
"did you tivo samarai jack for me mom?"
and those zip up pjays are a must!!!!!

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:35 PM
LMAO 3% profit margin.


yes 3% that is a FACT, and by the way, it's likely a much smaller profit margin then your own company makes, maybe the government should be regulating your business for you too because clearly you are making more money then you should be...amirte?
So you rather these guys turn MORE of a profit than save lives?????

(cue Kanye West (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co0tTeuUVhU)) "How could be so heaaaarrrrt lesssssss"

LOL

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 03:36 PM
i cant believe this is all really going on.

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:36 PM
dont you hate when your boss comes up to you and says "hey, you mind staying an extra hour today" within the hour your leaving?......****er.


LMAO

"YOUR BOSS"

thats like the dude from Grandmas Boy tlaking about his "ROOMMATES"

LMAO
hes still my boss. lol its no picnic matt let me tell you. when a coworker ****s up, IM getting yelled at cause im "showroom manager". like i told pizz i cant do the whole pick my sister up from school bit or any of that j*** either. the perks are very limited. lol


lol na grandmas boy just popped in my head when u did that, im still actually laughing lol
ehh this is more me.
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Grandmas_Boy%20-%204%20-%20Allen_Covert%20Nick_Swardson.jpg
"did you tivo samarai jack for me mom?"
and those zip up pjays are a must!!!!!
LMAO.... EXCELLENT job lightening the mood

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 03:38 PM
i cant believe this is all really going on.Blame Fox News' #1 correspondent....... Daven!!!!!!

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:38 PM
Problem? I think not.


So unemployment isn't a problem in America today? Oookay then.


Really? is that truly better? Because I am sure there credit reports will beg to differ, with all of the unpaid high priced doctor bills they are sure to have. Which is sure to effect all the other facets of life.

You mean the bills that are so high because of all the defensive treatment doctors must go through to protect themselves from lawsuits, that this bill does nothing to prevent?


But hey they have a job, until they get fired for missing work and not having a doctors excuse cause they couldn't afford to go to one.

which is different from those who don't have it now because they can't afford the premiums how? instead eating people will be FORCED to pay higher premiums then exist now...great idea, I suppose Health Care is more important then food now right?...and what the hell, now people are fired from jobs for missing work when they are missing for valid reasons? I've been at my job for 8 years, never once was I asked for a "doctors note" when I missed work, please, lets get back to the real world.


They can work until they get an illness that takes everything from them and the hospital bills bankrupts the family.

you mean until they get treated at the hospital and hopefully work out a plan for payment..? and if they can't they go Bankrupt have you ever gone Bankrupt? or do you know anyone who has? because I do, it's really not that bad.


How could a 10 person plan be less than a 50 person thats just idiotic.

No kidding, that's my point, your 10 person plan is not as expensive as someone else's 50 person plan, and that business owner may not have the money to fund it....you can't take your own company and apply your situation to every other business owner in America.


Their is nothing in the Bill that says that. Have you read the bill?

The "entire" bill....all 2k+ pages of it.. no of course not, neither have you, but I have read many parts of it, and those are the parts I'm talking about it.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:42 PM
Problem? I think not.


So unemployment isn't a problem in America today? Oookay then.


Really? is that truly better? Because I am sure there credit reports will beg to differ, with all of the unpaid high priced doctor bills they are sure to have. Which is sure to effect all the other facets of life.

You mean the bills that are so high because of all the defensive treatment doctors must go through to protect themselves from lawsuits, that this bill does nothing to prevent?


But hey they have a job, until they get fired for missing work and not having a doctors excuse cause they couldn't afford to go to one.

which is different from those who don't have it now because they can't afford the premiums how? instead eating people will be FORCED to pay higher premiums then exist now...great idea, I suppose Health Care is more important then food now right?...and what the hell, now people are fired from jobs for missing work when they are missing for valid reasons? I've been at my job for 8 years, never once was I asked for a "doctors note" when I missed work, please, lets get back to the real world.


They can work until they get an illness that takes everything from them and the hospital bills bankrupts the family.

you mean until they get treated at the hospital and hopefully work out a plan for payment..? and if they can't they go Bankrupt have you ever gone Bankrupt? or do you know anyone who has? because I do, it's really not that bad.


How could a 10 person plan be less than a 50 person thats just idiotic.

No kidding, that's my point, your 10 person plan is not as expensive as someone else's 50 person plan, and that business owner may not have the money to fund it....you can't take your own company and apply your situation to every other business owner in America.


Their is nothing in the Bill that says that. Have you read the bill?

The "entire" bill....all 2k+ pages of it.. no of course not, neither have you, but I have read many parts of it, and those are the parts I'm talking about it.





actually daven my job requires a doctors note, per the ADP handbook if ur miss 2 or 3 days in a row. I guess there is more to the real world than the closed world u live in

ibleedblue85
03-30-2010, 03:43 PM
i cant believe this is all really going on.Blame Fox News' #1 correspondent....... Daven!!!!!!
</P>


i blame lando for even bringing this up.</P>

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:44 PM
LMAO 3% profit margin.


yes 3% that is a FACT, and by the way, it's likely a much smaller profit margin then your own company makes, maybe the government should be regulating your business for you too because clearly you are making more money then you should be...amirte?


They could try but I'd just make it another way. That's what a good businessman does. Besides we don't decide whether people live or die in my business. We are talking about people's lives here man. 3% is not a fact and your foolish to believe so. Its a fabrication. Read!

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/09/zirkelbach-profits/


ThinkProgress.org laugh.... yeah that sounds objective, how about YOU read the actual earning listings.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/default.aspx?companyid=79071

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:47 PM
i cant believe this is all really going on.Blame Fox News' #1 correspondent....... Daven!!!!!!
</p>


i blame lando for even bringing this up.</p>me too. and now hes nowhere to be found. that sob.....

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 03:48 PM
actually daven my job requires a doctors note, per the ADP handbook if ur miss 2 or 3 days in a row. I guess there is more to the real world than the closed world u live in


So you know of someone whose lost their job because they didn't bring a note even though they had a valid reason to miss work? like say a broken leg.

In the real world you go to HR, you tell them, hey, I don't have a Doctor, you guys don't supply Health Insurance I'm actually sick and missing work because of this or that, or go to your immediate Boss, most jobs will allow it, (regardless of what it says in the hand book) is it "always" that way ... no of course not...

but better to have a job and risk losing it when you get sick, then to not have a job, be forced to pay high health care premiums, and not be able to eat.

byron
03-30-2010, 03:49 PM
i cant believe this is all really going on. might be something to do with the rain....anyway **** politics **** the politiciansand really**** them all..talk about this **** till you are blue in the face..they do what want to down there.....this rain sucks..lol...sorry Amanda for therant...did I mention I hate politics and politicians...

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:49 PM
dont bother daven, time will prove us to be right.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:51 PM
actually daven my job requires a doctors note, per the ADP handbook if ur miss 2 or 3 days in a row. I guess there is more to the real world than the closed world u live in


So you know of someone whose lost their job because they didn't bring a note even though they had a valid reason to miss work? like say a broken leg.

In the real world you go to HR, you tell them, hey, I don't have a Doctor, you guys don't supply Health Insurance I'm actually sick and missing work because of this or that, or go to your immediate Boss, most jobs will allow it, (regardless of what it says in the hand book) is it "always" that way ... no of course not...

but better to have a job and risk losing it when you get sick, then to not have a job, be forced to pay high health care premiums, and not be able to eat.


haha on my cousins grave, yes. Somebody at this very job. He had a bed ridden disease, they canned him because they say he never produced the note. I mean it really was a BS and just an excuse thing, but they still did it based on that... just thought it was funny u'd mention it like that cuz it literally just happened within the past 3 weeks lolol.

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 03:53 PM
dont bother daven, time will prove them to be right.


we know dezzz.. we know

glad ur finally coming around

giantinpa81
03-30-2010, 03:54 PM
Problem? I think not.


So unemployment isn't a problem in America today? Oookay then.


Really? is that truly better? Because I am sure there credit reports will beg to differ, with all of the unpaid high priced doctor bills they are sure to have. Which is sure to effect all the other facets of life.

You mean the bills that are so high because of all the defensive treatment doctors must go through to protect themselves from lawsuits, that this bill does nothing to prevent?


But hey they have a job, until they get fired for missing work and not having a doctors excuse cause they couldn't afford to go to one.

which is different from those who don't have it now because they can't afford the premiums how? instead eating people will be FORCED to pay higher premiums then exist now...great idea, I suppose Health Care is more important then food now right?...and what the hell, now people are fired from jobs for missing work when they are missing for valid reasons? I've been at my job for 8 years, never once was I asked for a "doctors note" when I missed work, please, lets get back to the real world.


They can work until they get an illness that takes everything from them and the hospital bills bankrupts the family.

you mean until they get treated at the hospital and hopefully work out a plan for payment..? and if they can't they go Bankrupt have you ever gone Bankrupt? or do you know anyone who has? because I do, it's really not that bad.


How could a 10 person plan be less than a 50 person thats just idiotic.

No kidding, that's my point, your 10 person plan is not as expensive as someone else's 50 person plan, and that business owner may not have the money to fund it....you can't take your own company and apply your situation to every other business owner in America.


Their is nothing in the Bill that says that. Have you read the bill?

The "entire" bill....all 2k+ pages of it.. no of course not, neither have you, but I have read many parts of it, and those are the parts I'm talking about it.

I never said that unemployment was the problem unfortunately I do not recall what exactly that was an answer to.

Defensive treatment isn't the only thing making the bills high. Do you know that we pay way more for the same drugs and care than any other country in the world. Sometimes twice as much. Thats why those bills are high.

What we are talking about those people you idiot!! Premiums will go down as a result of this bill you damn fool. Everybody knows that. Not even Fox disputes that. Where are you getting these talking points from Glenn Beck? Im Glad that your job situation is so cool about that. But if you ever worked for Ashley furniture and tried calling off without one you would quickly see that it happens often. And thats a real world example that I've witnessed myself. As you said you cant take your own company as an example of all companies. Ever work as a server? They are always under fire cause the position is so replaceable.

LMAO. work out a plan for payment. Try doing that when you need a $50,000 surgery and see what happens. I have been fortunate enough not to go bankrupt. Talk about a fool. It's not that bad. Do you have any idea what that does to our economy? That's the exact thinking that got us in to this mess in the first place. Debt deosn't just disappear!! I now see I am arguing with a being of less intelligence so I have nothing further to say.

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 03:57 PM
dont bother daven, time will prove them to be right.


we know dezzz.. we know

glad ur finally coming around
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 04:02 PM
actually daven my job requires a doctors note, per the ADP handbook if ur miss 2 or 3 days in a row. I guess there is more to the real world than the closed world u live in


So you know of someone whose lost their job because they didn't bring a note even though they had a valid reason to miss work? like say a broken leg.

In the real world you go to HR, you tell them, hey, I don't have a Doctor, you guys don't supply Health Insurance I'm actually sick and missing work because of this or that, or go to your immediate Boss, most jobs will allow it, (regardless of what it says in the hand book) is it "always" that way ... no of course not...

but better to have a job and risk losing it when you get sick, then to not have a job, be forced to pay high health care premiums, and not be able to eat.


haha on my cousins grave, yes. Somebody at this very job. He had a bed ridden disease, they canned him because they say he never produced the note. I mean it really was a BS and just an excuse thing, but they still did it based on that... just thought it was funny u'd mention it like that cuz it literally just happened within the past 3 weeks lolol.
Same rule at my job, u miss 2 days of work in a row NO MATTER WHAT u need a Dr's note..... Unless you havent gotten benefits yet then its a by case basis

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 04:04 PM
Defensive treatment isn't the only thing making the bills high. Do you know that we pay way more for the same drugs and care than any other country in the world. Sometimes twice as much. Thats why those bills are high.


Because we have stricter regulations on our drugs so less people die of unintended complications of untested drugs, god forbid we demand a higher quality product right?




What we are talking about those people you idiot!! Premiums will go down as a result of this bill you damn fool.

They most certainly will not! they are clearly going to go up, and I'm going to quote this right now and we will look at this one year from not, and then tell me again that your premiums didn't go up, even those in support of this bill know that.





Everybody knows that.

Incorrect, only fools believe that.


As you said you cant take your own company as an example of all companies.

And yet you were doing so no more then a post ago.


I have been fortunate enough not to go bankrupt. Talk about a fool. It's not that bad. Do you have any idea what that does to our economy? That's the exact thinking that got us in to this mess in the first place. Debt deosn't just disappear!! I now see I am arguing with a being of less intelligence so I have nothing further to say.

I never said it wasn't bad for our Economy, but you seem to be implying that people are forced to choose between treatment and money, that's not the case, people can always be treated in emergency situations, the may not be able to pay, but they can either work out a payment plan post treatment (which can be very negotiable) or they can go Bankrupt if it's going to just be impossible...and for the individual, it's not that bad.

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 04:05 PM
Same rule at my job, u miss 2 days of work in a row NO MATTER WHAT u need a Dr's note..... <font size="3"><font color="#0000ff">Unless you havent gotten benefits yet then its a by case basis </font></font>


OF COURSE thanks for proving my point Kase, if you have benefits then obviously you have no excuse, but without it's handled on a case by case basis...that's exactly what I'm talking about.

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 04:06 PM
Problem? I think not.


So unemployment isn't a problem in America today? Oookay then.


Really? is that truly better? Because I am sure there credit reports will beg to differ, with all of the unpaid high priced doctor bills they are sure to have. Which is sure to effect all the other facets of life.

You mean the bills that are so high because of all the defensive treatment doctors must go through to protect themselves from lawsuits, that this bill does nothing to prevent?


But hey they have a job, until they get fired for missing work and not having a doctors excuse cause they couldn't afford to go to one.

which is different from those who don't have it now because they can't afford the premiums how? instead eating people will be FORCED to pay higher premiums then exist now...great idea, I suppose Health Care is more important then food now right?...and what the hell, now people are fired from jobs for missing work when they are missing for valid reasons? I've been at my job for 8 years, never once was I asked for a "doctors note" when I missed work, please, lets get back to the real world.


They can work until they get an illness that takes everything from them and the hospital bills bankrupts the family.

you mean until they get treated at the hospital and hopefully work out a plan for payment..? and if they can't they go Bankrupt have you ever gone Bankrupt? or do you know anyone who has? because I do, it's really not that bad.


How could a 10 person plan be less than a 50 person thats just idiotic.

No kidding, that's my point, your 10 person plan is not as expensive as someone else's 50 person plan, and that business owner may not have the money to fund it....you can't take your own company and apply your situation to every other business owner in America.


Their is nothing in the Bill that says that. Have you read the bill?

The "entire" bill....all 2k+ pages of it.. no of course not, neither have you, but I have read many parts of it, and those are the parts I'm talking about it.

I never said that unemployment was the problem unfortunately I do not recall what exactly that was an answer to.

Defensive treatment isn't the only thing making the bills high. Do you know that we pay way more for the same drugs and care than any other country in the world. Sometimes twice as much. Thats why those bills are high.

What we are talking about those people you idiot!! Premiums will go down as a result of this bill you damn fool. Everybody knows that. Not even Fox disputes that. Where are you getting these talking points from Glenn Beck? Im Glad that your job situation is so cool about that. But if you ever worked for Ashley furniture and tried calling off without one you would quickly see that it happens often. And thats a real world example that I've witnessed myself. As you said you cant take your own company as an example of all companies. Ever work as a server? They are always under fire cause the position is so replaceable.

LMAO. work out a plan for payment. Try doing that when you need a $50,000 surgery and see what happens. I have been fortunate enough not to go bankrupt. Talk about a fool. It's not that bad. Do you have any idea what that does to our economy? That's the exact thinking that got us in to this mess in the first place. Debt deosn't just disappear!! I now see I am arguing with a being of less intelligence so I have nothing further to say.


Now introducing the Undisputed Heavyweight Health Care Debate ChampEEEEN of THE WORRRRRLLLLLLDDDDD!!!!!!!

<font size="6">GIANTINPA81!!!!!</font>

Any clown that admits to listening to what Glen Beck says automatically tells everyone that they have NO IDEA what theyre talking about..... People with common sense view him as you conservatives view Michael Moore

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 04:08 PM
you know at first i was kind of against it and in a way i still am for some reasons but legalize pot!! tax the **** out of bud and make a profit off it. but i was thinking, now how do you think it would effect crime regarding drug dealers and what have you? will it dip because pots a major cash crop for dealers, OR will it get worse because the way i see it, your taking their main income(pot) away, so will this cause the cost of H, coke, meth, crack, and ex to go up, to make up for lost profits, making things more violent?
its got me thinking?

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 04:09 PM
Problem? I think not.


So unemployment isn't a problem in America today? Oookay then.


Really? is that truly better? Because I am sure there credit reports will beg to differ, with all of the unpaid high priced doctor bills they are sure to have. Which is sure to effect all the other facets of life.

You mean the bills that are so high because of all the defensive treatment doctors must go through to protect themselves from lawsuits, that this bill does nothing to prevent?


But hey they have a job, until they get fired for missing work and not having a doctors excuse cause they couldn't afford to go to one.

which is different from those who don't have it now because they can't afford the premiums how? instead eating people will be FORCED to pay higher premiums then exist now...great idea, I suppose Health Care is more important then food now right?...and what the hell, now people are fired from jobs for missing work when they are missing for valid reasons? I've been at my job for 8 years, never once was I asked for a "doctors note" when I missed work, please, lets get back to the real world.


They can work until they get an illness that takes everything from them and the hospital bills bankrupts the family.

you mean until they get treated at the hospital and hopefully work out a plan for payment..? and if they can't they go Bankrupt have you ever gone Bankrupt? or do you know anyone who has? because I do, it's really not that bad.


How could a 10 person plan be less than a 50 person thats just idiotic.

No kidding, that's my point, your 10 person plan is not as expensive as someone else's 50 person plan, and that business owner may not have the money to fund it....you can't take your own company and apply your situation to every other business owner in America.


Their is nothing in the Bill that says that. Have you read the bill?

The "entire" bill....all 2k+ pages of it.. no of course not, neither have you, but I have read many parts of it, and those are the parts I'm talking about it.

I never said that unemployment was the problem unfortunately I do not recall what exactly that was an answer to.

Defensive treatment isn't the only thing making the bills high. Do you know that we pay way more for the same drugs and care than any other country in the world. Sometimes twice as much. Thats why those bills are high.

What we are talking about those people you idiot!! Premiums will go down as a result of this bill you damn fool. Everybody knows that. Not even Fox disputes that. Where are you getting these talking points from Glenn Beck? Im Glad that your job situation is so cool about that. But if you ever worked for Ashley furniture and tried calling off without one you would quickly see that it happens often. And thats a real world example that I've witnessed myself. As you said you cant take your own company as an example of all companies. Ever work as a server? They are always under fire cause the position is so replaceable.

LMAO. work out a plan for payment. Try doing that when you need a $50,000 surgery and see what happens. I have been fortunate enough not to go bankrupt. Talk about a fool. It's not that bad. Do you have any idea what that does to our economy? That's the exact thinking that got us in to this mess in the first place. Debt deosn't just disappear!! I now see I am arguing with a being of less intelligence so I have nothing further to say.


Now introducing the Undisputed Heavyweight Health Care Debate ChampEEEEN of THE WORRRRRLLLLLLDDDDD!!!!!!!

<font size="6">GIANTINPA81!!!!!</font>

Any clown that admits to listening to what Glen Beck says automatically tells everyone that they have NO IDEA what theyre talking about..... People with common sense view him as you conservatives view Michael Moore
moore's against the bill too....just saying.

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 04:11 PM
Same rule at my job, u miss 2 days of work in a row NO MATTER WHAT u need a Dr's note..... <font size="3"><font color="#0000ff">Unless you havent gotten benefits yet then its a by case basis </font></font>


OF COURSE thanks for proving my point Kase, if you have benefits then obviously you have no excuse, but without it's handled on a case by case basis...that's exactly what I'm talking about.
LMAO, you're insane man.... I didnt prove your bassackwards point and I never would

I was talking about my jobs policy on sick days, if you havnet qualified for the insurance benefits they offer (havent been there for 4mths) then you dont need a dr's note for missing 2 consecutive days of work becuase they know its expensive (as long as its a valid reason), but after the 4th month you need a dr's note because you're enrolled under their health plan

dezzzR
03-30-2010, 04:12 PM
20 mins til samurai jaack!!!!!!

JPizzack
03-30-2010, 04:14 PM
Same rule at my job, u miss 2 days of work in a row NO MATTER WHAT u need a Dr's note..... <FONT size=3><FONT color=#0000ff>Unless you havent gotten benefits yet then its a by case basis </FONT></FONT>


OF COURSE thanks for proving my point Kase, if you have benefits then obviously you have no excuse, but without it's handled on a case by case basis...that's exactly what I'm talking about.
LMAO, you're insane man.... I didnt prove your bassackwards point and I never would

I was talking about my jobs policy on sick days, if you havnet qualified for the insurance benefits they offer (havent been there for 4mths) then you dont need a dr's note for missing 2 consecutive days of work becuase they know its expensive (as long as its a valid reason), but after the 4th month you need a dr's note because you're enrolled under their health plan
</P>


yea i was gonna say....uhh I think Kase means benefit time, not so much INSURANCE</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 04:15 PM
Defensive treatment isn't the only thing making the bills high. Do you know that we pay way more for the same drugs and care than any other country in the world. Sometimes twice as much. Thats why those bills are high.


Because we have stricter regulations on our drugs so less people die of unintended complications of untested drugs, god forbid we demand a higher quality product right?




What we are talking about those people you idiot!! Premiums will go down as a result of this bill you damn fool.

They most certainly will not! they are clearly going to go up, and I'm going to quote this right now and we will look at this one year from not, and then tell me again that your premiums didn't go up, even those in support of this bill know that.





Everybody knows that.

Incorrect, only fools believe that.


As you said you cant take your own company as an example of all companies.

And yet you were doing so no more then a post ago.


I have been fortunate enough not to go bankrupt. Talk about a fool. It's not that bad. Do you have any idea what that does to our economy? That's the exact thinking that got us in to this mess in the first place. Debt deosn't just disappear!! I now see I am arguing with a being of less intelligence so I have nothing further to say.

I never said it wasn't bad for our Economy, but you seem to be implying that people are forced to choose between treatment and money, that's not the case, people can always be treated in emergency situations, the may not be able to pay, but they can either work out a payment plan post treatment (which can be very negotiable) or they can go Bankrupt if it's going to just be impossible...and for the individual, it's not that bad.


thats horse**** daven.. Canada is getting the SAME exact medication thats MADE in America and we're paying double...

its horse****

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 04:16 PM
Same rule at my job, u miss 2 days of work in a row NO MATTER WHAT u need a Dr's note..... <font size="3"><font color="#0000ff">Unless you havent gotten benefits yet then its a by case basis </font></font>


OF COURSE thanks for proving my point Kase, if you have benefits then obviously you have no excuse, but without it's handled on a case by case basis...that's exactly what I'm talking about.
LMAO, you're insane man.... I didnt prove your bassackwards point and I never would

I was talking about my jobs policy on sick days, if you havnet qualified for the insurance benefits they offer (havent been there for 4mths) then you dont need a dr's note for missing 2 consecutive days of work becuase they know its expensive (as long as its a valid reason), but after the 4th month you need a dr's note because you're enrolled under their health plan
</p>


yea i was gonna say....uhh I think Kase means benefit time, not so much INSURANCE</p>

what if you choose not to enroll in the insurance plan for your company, you are still considered to be on a case by case basis? or no?

Kase-1
03-30-2010, 04:17 PM
Same rule at my job, u miss 2 days of work in a row NO MATTER WHAT u need a Dr's note..... <font size="3"><font color="#0000ff">Unless you havent gotten benefits yet then its a by case basis </font></font>


OF COURSE thanks for proving my point Kase, if you have benefits then obviously you have no excuse, but without it's handled on a case by case basis...that's exactly what I'm talking about.
LMAO, you're insane man.... I didnt prove your bassackwards point and I never would

I was talking about my jobs policy on sick days, if you havnet qualified for the insurance benefits they offer (havent been there for 4mths) then you dont need a dr's note for missing 2 consecutive days of work becuase they know its expensive (as long as its a valid reason), but after the 4th month you need a dr's note because you're enrolled under their health plan
</p>


yea i was gonna say....uhh I think Kase means benefit time, not so much INSURANCE</p>L:OL, correct a mundo..... I said benefits cause I meant benefits not govt subsidized health insurance

MattMeyerBud
03-30-2010, 04:17 PM
you know at first i was kind of against it and in a way i still am for some reasons but legalize pot!! tax the **** out of bud and make a profit off it. but i was thinking, now how do you think it would effect crime regarding drug dealers and what have you? will it dip because pots a major cash crop for dealers, OR will it get worse because the way i see it, your taking their main income(pot) away, so will this cause the cost of H, coke, meth, crack, and ex to go up, to make up for lost profits, making things more violent?
its got me thinking?


****in a

its a cash crop that we're not tapping... not to mention we'll be putting drug lords out of business..

or at least make the coke game better HAHAHAHAHA

DavenIII
03-30-2010, 04:18 PM
thats horse**** daven.. Canada is getting the SAME exact medication thats MADE in America and we're paying double...

its horse****


even if that were true, I hope you aren't honestly expecting this bill to alleviate that cost, Premiums and Co Pays and Rx Payments, it's all going to increase.