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lawl
04-26-2010, 12:45 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</P>


</P>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</P>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</P>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 12:48 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 12:53 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count
who peed in your coffee? you hate everyone today.

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 12:55 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count
who peed in your coffee? you hate everyone today.


i hate the same people i always hate Vaz and the fact that we took a dump in the first round...

lawl
04-26-2010, 12:58 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</P>


</P>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</P>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</P>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</P>




Juco dont count
</P>


</P>


playing at any level at all still effects the whole "fresh legs" theory.</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:02 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>




Juco dont count
</p>


</p>


playing at any level at all still effects the whole "fresh legs" theory.</p>


</p>

one year of HS and a cut Juco schedule, while missing a year then only playing 7 games in real college ball = fresh legs...

listen u guys want to be positive about it and say well its a roll of the dice, high risk high reward, thats fine. But We have a GAPING hole in the middle of our defense and to just use the pick to roll the dice instead of trying to make a move for a LB just pisses me off...

Then letting the pats scoop up Spikes pissed me off too

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 01:03 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count
who peed in your coffee? you hate everyone today.


i hate the same people i always hate Vaz and the fact that we took a dump in the first round...


cause your a hataaaa.
which linebackers you think we cut? im thinking kehl, hell maybe even gwilk.

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:05 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count
who peed in your coffee? you hate everyone today.


i hate the same people i always hate Vaz and the fact that we took a dump in the first round...


cause your a hataaaa.
which linebackers you think we cut? im thinking kehl, hell maybe even gwilk.


the only topic i dont want to talk about is, who we have at LB currently.. cut em all for all i care except Boley and Sintim

BUTTTT... i think Gwilk goes before Kehl cuz his contract is gonna be up and hes constantly hurt. They all play that Will spot and somebody has to backup boley

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:06 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count
who peed in your coffee? you hate everyone today.


i hate the same people i always hate Vaz and the fact that we took a dump in the first round...


cause your a hataaaa.
which linebackers you think we cut? im thinking kehl, hell maybe even gwilk.


haters hate for no reason...

i'm a person calling a spade a spade... dont get mad i've been spot on about ur boy Vaz

lawl
04-26-2010, 01:09 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:10 PM
im gonna call Vaz, Vazgina from now on

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:10 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:16 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...




also not only spikes, but Washington, Lee, or Weatherspoon would of fit the bill too

lawl
04-26-2010, 01:17 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</P>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</P>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</P>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 01:19 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...




also not only spikes, but Washington, Lee, or Weatherspoon would of fit the bill too
</P>


Daryl Washington? you're kidding right? Very undersized, even for weakside he needs to add some weight. Lee is a slow and injury prone so I guess he does fit the bill to play LB for the Giants so I can see why you like him. Weatherspoon is the only guy you could make a good argument for.</P>

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 01:42 PM
This is what our end zones will look like. SWEET!

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1316363

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 01:45 PM
MIDFIELD

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_13162c6

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:53 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</p>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</p>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</p>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</p>

yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 01:55 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...




also not only spikes, but Washington, Lee, or Weatherspoon would of fit the bill too
</p>


Daryl Washington? you're kidding right? Very undersized, even for weakside he needs to add some weight. Lee is a slow and injury prone so I guess he does fit the bill to play LB for the Giants so I can see why you like him. Weatherspoon is the only guy you could make a good argument for.</p>

as for Lee both are weak knocks. He got injured and was fine.. he plays fast and fine.

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 02:10 PM
afternoon folks

patsrule666
04-26-2010, 02:11 PM
This is what our end zones will look like. SWEET!

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1316363
Funny, they are green when i see them on tv...lol.

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 02:13 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 02:18 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 02:21 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count
who peed in your coffee? you hate everyone today.


i hate the same people i always hate Vaz and the fact that we took a dump in the first round...


cause your a hataaaa.
which linebackers you think we cut? im thinking kehl, hell maybe even gwilk.


haters hate for no reason...

i'm a person calling a spade a spade... dont get mad i've been spot on about ur boy Vaz
oh so now hes my boy? hes play 4 games give the guy a chance man.

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 02:23 PM
im gonna call Vaz, Vazgina from now on
im gonna call you meyerregs. cause ya ****s weeak

lawl
04-26-2010, 02:25 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</P>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</P>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</P>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</P>




yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds


</P>


</P>


who is 240? spikes? dude's like 260, slow, and has awful hips..terrible terrible fit for a 43, he was simply not going to go to a 43. JPP is a DE who is 6'4'' 1/2, 270, and runs .4 seconds faster in the 40 than Spikes. JPP's first step and burst is also what makes him the freak that he is, to go along with his long arms. </P>


Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant next year. We needed another guy to be ready to be that 3rd guy or even that 1st or 2nd guy, we now have that guy in JPP. Reaching for need has never been a good philosophy in drafting and it's clear that's what you were hoping we'd do.</P>

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 02:33 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>


</P>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 02:37 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>


</P>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</P>


</P>


Leonard Weaver busted a 40 yarder on us last year, because freddy robbins got punked out of the play. It's all about the DL.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 02:41 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>


</P>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</P>


</P>


It seems the FO didn't see another quality MLB after McClain. They drafted Dillard and I hear they are very high on him. It would have been nice is McClain had dropped to us but no one could have seen Oakland reaching for him at 8.</P>


JPP and Joseph are going to be big time contributors <U>this season</U>. Jones too! (all barring injury of course)</P>


Our defense looks very good right now.</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 02:43 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>

so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]

lawl
04-26-2010, 02:43 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</P>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</P>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</P>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</P>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</P>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 02:44 PM
Giants general manager Jerry Reese (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8165) thought seriously about selecting Nebraska linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25255) in the third round, but instead took LSU safety Chad Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25909). Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPNNewYork.com has the whole story (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5135357).

"There was some good discussion about it," said Marc Ross, the Giants' director of college scouting. "We thought there was a chance that [Dillard would] be available [in the fourth round] and that Chad wouldn't be, so we decided to go that route and hold our breath, and we got him. It was a restless night's sleep, but it was worth it."

The Giants think Dillard can compete for the starting job at middle linebacker, but that's a pretty optimistic outlook. Having watched Dillard play in the Big 12 for a couple of years, I'd say he needs at least a year before he's ready to be a full-time starter. The Giants will likely sign a veteran linebacker or they could trade for one. I'll poke around and see what they think of Cowboys inside linebacker Bobby Carpenter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9604). There are actually some teams that like Carpenter, but they may wait until the Cowboys release him.

Carpenter's role as a nickel linebacker will probably be taken over by Penn State rookie Sean Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&amp;id=25552).

Gross.. signing Carpenter would be the insult to injury of avoiding a MLB in the draft...

Chad Jones is a great value pick.

If your lookin in the 3rd/4th round to supply ur mlb role, ur team shouldn't be as good as the giants are...

uhg Pierre = Gholsten = GWilk

"FREAKS OF NATURE"


</p>


</p>


unlike those two other guys pierre paul has a great motor which increases his chances alot.</p>




and u caught that from all 7 games hes played in college? lol i'd say its fresh legs
</p>


He played alot more than 7games in college.</p>

Juco dont count
who peed in your coffee? you hate everyone today.


i hate the same people i always hate Vaz and the fact that we took a dump in the first round...


cause your a hataaaa.
which linebackers you think we cut? im thinking kehl, hell maybe even gwilk.


haters hate for no reason...

i'm a person calling a spade a spade... dont get mad i've been spot on about ur boy Vaz
oh so now hes my boy? hes play 4 games give the guy a chance man.


somebody in their 2nd stint with their team in a 7-8 year career, it isn't just 4 games. He sucks vs the AL - end of story

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 02:44 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>


</P>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</P>


</P>


It seems the FO didn't see another quality MLB after McClain. They drafted Dillard and I hear they are very high on him. It would have been nice is McClain had dropped to us but no one could have seen Oakland reaching for him at 8.</P>


JPP and Joseph are going to be big time contributors <U>this season</U>. Jones too! (all barring injury of course)</P>


Our defense looks very good right now.</P>


</P>


</P>


i do agree with most of what you said and i think a new DC will help too.. i think the Def will be above average however, im not totally comfy with this MLB spot.. im acutally scared ****less but whatever, i hope im proved very wrong</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 02:46 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>

so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]

lawl
04-26-2010, 02:49 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</P>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 02:50 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</p>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</p>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</p>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</p>




yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds


</p>


</p>


who is 240? spikes? dude's like 260, slow, and has awful hips..terrible terrible fit for a 43, he was simply not going to go to a 43. JPP is a DE who is 6'4'' 1/2, 270, and runs .4 seconds faster in the 40 than Spikes. JPP's first step and burst is also what makes him the freak that he is, to go along with his long arms. </p>


Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant next year. We needed another guy to be ready to be that 3rd guy or even that 1st or 2nd guy, we now have that guy in JPP. Reaching for need has never been a good philosophy in drafting and it's clear that's what you were hoping we'd do.</p>


no washington, sorry qouted the wrong post from u.

Well hes our Vernon Gholsten, i'll be serving crow on it when he busts. When you have a single position that you need you do it. Fine, dont draft high, but then move ur ****in 5th round pick and go get a crafty vet like Morrison. Theres no way your gona dice it when its going to be okay to not get a MLB from this past year. Can't say any of these were true reaches. Weatherspoon went 5 picks after us in the first and those LBs all went immediatly after us in the 2nd. They were all in range, there was no reaching involved

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 02:50 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</P>


You're funny. First you panic that we can't play defense unless we draft a top notch MLB, and then you say that it was just injuries that caused our problems last year. Please pick a position so I know what to argue against.</P>


I agree that injuries killed us last year. Do you think that we won't have injuries this year? </P>


WE LACK PASSRUSH!!!!!! And we lack the ability to cover downfield. Rolle and KP, Rolle and Jones, even Rolle and MJ give us a much better ability to cover. On pass rush, our lack of rotation is what kills us. In 07 we had fresh legs going all the time. We have not been able to get to the QB since the middle of 08. JPP will enhance that rotation and provide the ability on passing downs to force offenses to account for him. This is a huge deal for us.</P>

shocknaweny
04-26-2010, 02:51 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick...

Mitch Petrius I like too !

JPP ( not sure yet )

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 02:53 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>


</p>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</p>


</p>


Leonard Weaver busted a 40 yarder on us last year, because freddy robbins got punked out of the play. It's all about the DL.</p>

lol true, out of position and slow playing LBers no where near him had nothing to do with that play either...

this need to have an overdominating line is going to be the death of this team i fear. When you have a player like strahan and stack talent around him, then that DLine is going to be dominating. We don't have a strahan, lets have a complete defense

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 02:53 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>


</p>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</p>


</p>


Leonard Weaver busted a 40 yarder on us last year, because freddy robbins got punked out of the play. It's all about the DL.</p>

lol true, out of position and slow playing LBers no where near him had nothing to do with that play either...

this need to have an overdominating line is going to be the death of this team i fear. When you have a player like strahan and stack talent around him, then that DLine is going to be dominating. We don't have a strahan, lets have a complete defense

shocknaweny
04-26-2010, 02:54 PM
This is what our end zones will look like. SWEET!

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1316363


cool !!!

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 02:56 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick... Mitch Petrius I like too ! JPP ( not sure yet )</P>


I thought Joseph was the best pick.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 02:56 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</p>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</p>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</p>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</p>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</p>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</p>

great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 02:56 PM
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6097">Ryan
Howard</a> will remain in a <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=phi">Philadelphia
Phillies</a> uniform through the 2016 season after agreeing to a
five-year extension worth an average of $25 million per year.</p>

The
slugging first baseman has agreed to a five-year, $125 million extension
that will kick in starting with the 2012 season. If Howard reaches
incentive clauses and the team picks up its option for the 2017 season,
Howard could earn as much as $138 million.</p>


</p>



Howard will earn $20 million in each of
the 2012 and 2013 seasons and $25 million per season from 2014-16. The
Phillies hold a club option for the 2017 season that is worth $23
million with a $10 million buyout. </p>

Howard also received a limited
no-trade clause in the contract.</p>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 02:57 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>


</P>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</P>


</P>


Leonard Weaver busted a 40 yarder on us last year, because freddy robbins got punked out of the play. It's all about the DL.</P>




lol true, out of position and slow playing LBers no where near him had nothing to do with that play either...

this need to have an overdominating line is going to be the death of this team i fear. When you have a player like strahan and stack talent around him, then that DLine is going to be dominating. We don't have a strahan, lets have a complete defense
</P>


Tuck is a star. What the hell are you talking about?</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 02:58 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</P>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</P>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</P>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</P>




yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds


</P>


</P>


who is 240? spikes? dude's like 260, slow, and has awful hips..terrible terrible fit for a 43, he was simply not going to go to a 43. JPP is a DE who is 6'4'' 1/2, 270, and runs .4 seconds faster in the 40 than Spikes. JPP's first step and burst is also what makes him the freak that he is, to go along with his long arms. </P>


Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant next year. We needed another guy to be ready to be that 3rd guy or even that 1st or 2nd guy, we now have that guy in JPP. Reaching for need has never been a good philosophy in drafting and it's clear that's what you were hoping we'd do.</P>





no washington, sorry qouted the wrong post from u.

Well hes our Vernon Gholsten, i'll be serving crow on it when he busts. When you have a single position that you need you do it. Fine, dont draft high, but then move ur ****in 5th round pick and go get a crafty vet like Morrison. Theres no way your gona dice it when its going to be okay to not get a MLB from this past year. Can't say any of these were true reaches. Weatherspoon went 5 picks after us in the first and those LBs all went immediatly after us in the 2nd. They were all in range, there was no reaching involved
</P>


Gholston doesnt have anywhere near the motor JPP has, which is what gives him a great chance. The best players in this league are freak athletes, so I guess at one point in your mind all of the following were also Vernon Gholstons: Willis, Fitz, Ware, the list goes on and on.</P>


</P>


Like I said previously- a great argument can be made for Weatherspoon, but even he has the similar questions, after all he's a freak, too, not to mention he'd be switching positions. The other LBers obviously had nowhere near the value that Joseph presented which also happened to fit a need, which is why we didn't take one.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:00 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</P>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</P>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</P>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</P>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</P>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</P>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</P>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</P>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:00 PM
[
slow playing LBers
</P>


</P>


coming from the guy that wanted Spikes.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:02 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</P>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</P>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</P>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</P>




yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds


</P>


</P>


who is 240? spikes? dude's like 260, slow, and has awful hips..terrible terrible fit for a 43, he was simply not going to go to a 43. JPP is a DE who is 6'4'' 1/2, 270, and runs .4 seconds faster in the 40 than Spikes. JPP's first step and burst is also what makes him the freak that he is, to go along with his long arms. </P>


Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant next year. We needed another guy to be ready to be that 3rd guy or even that 1st or 2nd guy, we now have that guy in JPP. Reaching for need has never been a good philosophy in drafting and it's clear that's what you were hoping we'd do.</P>





no washington, sorry qouted the wrong post from u.

Well hes our Vernon Gholsten, i'll be serving crow on it when he busts. When you have a single position that you need you do it. Fine, dont draft high, but then move ur ****in 5th round pick and go get a crafty vet like Morrison. Theres no way your gona dice it when its going to be okay to not get a MLB from this past year. Can't say any of these were true reaches. Weatherspoon went 5 picks after us in the first and those LBs all went immediatly after us in the 2nd. They were all in range, there was no reaching involved
</P>


Gholston doesnt have anywhere near the motor JPP has, which is what gives him a great chance. The best players in this league are freak athletes, so I guess at one point in your mind all of the following were also Vernon Gholstons: Willis, Fitz, Ware, the list goes on and on.</P>


</P>


Like I said previously- a great argument can be made for Weatherspoon, but even he has the similar questions, after all he's a freak, too, not to mention he'd be switching positions. The other LBers obviously had nowhere near the value that Joseph presented which also happened to fit a need, which is why we didn't take one.</P>


</P>


As a guy who liked Spoon a lot, I ultimately believed that you souldn't draft a player at 15 to play a position that he never played. He's an outside LB. Thats what he'll be in Atlanta.</P>

shocknaweny
04-26-2010, 03:04 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick... Mitch Petrius I like too ! JPP ( not sure yet )</P>


I thought Joseph was the best pick.</P>


Steve Sumner was saying on WFAN 660 Fr. night that he got winded at ECU and had to take breathers in between series....( he is a little out of shape )

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:04 PM
[
slow playing LBers
</P>


</P>


coming from the guy that wanted Spikes.</P>


</P>


This must be what scared off the Giants from Spikes. They must have believed that he's more of a 3-4 inside LB, given his speed. Thats just my guess. I think he's a good football player though.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:05 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</p>

you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run

shocknaweny
04-26-2010, 03:05 PM
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6097">Ryan
Howard</a> will remain in a <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=phi">Philadelphia
Phillies</a> uniform through the 2016 season after agreeing to a
five-year extension worth an average of $25 million per year.</p>

The
slugging first baseman has agreed to a five-year, $125 million extension
that will kick in starting with the 2012 season. If Howard reaches
incentive clauses and the team picks up its option for the 2017 season,
Howard could earn as much as $138 million.</p>


</p>



Howard will earn $20 million in each of
the 2012 and 2013 seasons and $25 million per season from 2014-16. The
Phillies hold a club option for the 2017 season that is worth $23
million with a $10 million buyout. </p>

Howard also received a limited
no-trade clause in the contract.</p>


got him on my Fantasy MLB team and Pujols too !!!!

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:07 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick... Mitch Petrius I like too ! JPP ( not sure yet )</P>


I thought Joseph was the best pick.</P>


Steve Sumner was saying on WFAN 660 Fr. night that he got winded at ECU and had to take breathers in between series....( he is a little out of shape )</P>


</P>


supposedly he's down to weighing 315 and i believe at the combine he was at 328. and plans to play at 315</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:07 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick... Mitch Petrius I like too ! JPP ( not sure yet )</P>


I thought Joseph was the best pick.</P>


Steve Sumner was saying on WFAN 660 Fr. night that he got winded at ECU and had to take breathers in between series....( he is a little out of shape )</P>


Joseph will be a running down tackle. he won't be in the game in passing situation. I can see any 4 of Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Canty and JPP as the D line on passing downs. Similar to what we did in 07. (How'd that work out?) </P>


Joseph wasn't brought in to play 60 plays/game. He's a run stopper.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:08 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


You're funny. First you panic that we can't play defense unless we draft a top notch MLB, and then you say that it was just injuries that caused our problems last year. Please pick a position so I know what to argue against.</p>


I agree that injuries killed us last year. Do you think that we won't have injuries this year? </p>


WE LACK PASSRUSH!!!!!! And we lack the ability to cover downfield. Rolle and KP, Rolle and Jones, even Rolle and MJ give us a much better ability to cover. On pass rush, our lack of rotation is what kills us. In 07 we had fresh legs going all the time. We have not been able to get to the QB since the middle of 08. JPP will enhance that rotation and provide the ability on passing downs to force offenses to account for him. This is a huge deal for us.</p>

how is that funny?

We need a legit MLB, we had one in pierce. Injuries destroyed that defense totally. Now we don't have Pierce anymore? I dont get whats so confusing?

Listen anytime your going to lose 5 starters to injuries, then 3-4 regular fillins your defense is going to hurt.. thats a major number of injuries and we had playmakers down too.

We lacked a passh rush because our two best DTs were hurt all year, Canty came back but wasn't in shape. And Tuck was playing with limbs hanging off and Osi wasn't 100%. Not to mention no saftey play and corners banged up as well...

Lets not have open WRs and give the pass rush a LIL extra time and it might of been a bit better.

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:09 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick... Mitch Petrius I like too ! JPP ( not sure yet )</p>


I thought Joseph was the best pick.</p>

we got great value with Jones

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:10 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>


</p>


i was in mexico thats why ive been MIA. home now tho... i watched the draft there and sported my giants gear full throttle... lol ill post a pic once i get them online. ppl were like coming up to me at the bar are you really wearing that outfit im like hell yeah i support this team til i die... i think the draft was very productive and i like most of the picks however the MLB issue scares the **** outta me.. i cant believe we didnt draft a NFL ready player earlier.. im scared as **** that full backs will be runnin 30 + yards a play now let alone what a really RB will be able to do... i think our Dline will dominate but if there is a hole and they get past the line... who knows what will happen... i think that passing def will be shut down tho...</p>


</p>


Leonard Weaver busted a 40 yarder on us last year, because freddy robbins got punked out of the play. It's all about the DL.</p>




lol true, out of position and slow playing LBers no where near him had nothing to do with that play either...

this need to have an overdominating line is going to be the death of this team i fear. When you have a player like strahan and stack talent around him, then that DLine is going to be dominating. We don't have a strahan, lets have a complete defense
</p>


Tuck is a star. What the hell are you talking about?</p>

i love tuck...

but stop it, hes not Strahan...

ur either overvaluing Tuck or undervaluing Strahan... either way boo for you

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:10 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</P>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</P>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</P>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</P>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:12 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</P>


You're funny. First you panic that we can't play defense unless we draft a top notch MLB, and then you say that it was just injuries that caused our problems last year. Please pick a position so I know what to argue against.</P>


I agree that injuries killed us last year. Do you think that we won't have injuries this year? </P>


WE LACK PASSRUSH!!!!!! And we lack the ability to cover downfield. Rolle and KP, Rolle and Jones, even Rolle and MJ give us a much better ability to cover. On pass rush, our lack of rotation is what kills us. In 07 we had fresh legs going all the time. We have not been able to get to the QB since the middle of 08. JPP will enhance that rotation and provide the ability on passing downs to force offenses to account for him. This is a huge deal for us.</P>




how is that funny?

We need a legit MLB, we had one in pierce. Injuries destroyed that defense totally. Now we don't have Pierce anymore? I dont get whats so confusing?

Listen anytime your going to lose 5 starters to injuries, then 3-4 regular fillins your defense is going to hurt.. thats a major number of injuries and we had playmakers down too.

We lacked a passh rush because our two best DTs were hurt all year, Canty came back but wasn't in shape. And Tuck was playing with limbs hanging off and Osi wasn't 100%. Not to mention no saftey play and corners banged up as well...

Lets not have open WRs and give the pass rush a LIL extra time and it might of been a bit better.

</P>


So what would you have them do that they didn't do? For all we know Dillard is a better fit than McClain.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:12 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</p>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</p>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</p>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</p>




yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds


</p>


</p>


who is 240? spikes? dude's like 260, slow, and has awful hips..terrible terrible fit for a 43, he was simply not going to go to a 43. JPP is a DE who is 6'4'' 1/2, 270, and runs .4 seconds faster in the 40 than Spikes. JPP's first step and burst is also what makes him the freak that he is, to go along with his long arms. </p>


Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant next year. We needed another guy to be ready to be that 3rd guy or even that 1st or 2nd guy, we now have that guy in JPP. Reaching for need has never been a good philosophy in drafting and it's clear that's what you were hoping we'd do.</p>





no washington, sorry qouted the wrong post from u.

Well hes our Vernon Gholsten, i'll be serving crow on it when he busts. When you have a single position that you need you do it. Fine, dont draft high, but then move ur ****in 5th round pick and go get a crafty vet like Morrison. Theres no way your gona dice it when its going to be okay to not get a MLB from this past year. Can't say any of these were true reaches. Weatherspoon went 5 picks after us in the first and those LBs all went immediatly after us in the 2nd. They were all in range, there was no reaching involved
</p>


Gholston doesnt have anywhere near the motor JPP has, which is what gives him a great chance. The best players in this league are freak athletes, so I guess at one point in your mind all of the following were also Vernon Gholstons: Willis, Fitz, Ware, the list goes on and on.</p>


</p>


Like I said previously- a great argument can be made for Weatherspoon, but even he has the similar questions, after all he's a freak, too, not to mention he'd be switching positions. The other LBers obviously had nowhere near the value that Joseph presented which also happened to fit a need, which is why we didn't take one.</p>
So then wheres the reasoning for not sending a bull**** pick for Morrison?


And all of those guys u mentioned, beside VG all were drafted because of their freakness and talent...

VG was drafted and was suppose to be a project because of how big and strong he is and bla bla bla.. it just sounds eerily familirt to our situtation.

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:13 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</P>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</P>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</P>


Noone has been crowned the starting MLB, and I think you underestimate just how awful MJ is.</P>


We're going to have alot of 3 safety sets and I will bet almost anything that Boley will be wearing the headset as he's the most veteran lb on the team and is a 3down LBer, which will lessen the burden on whomever the MLB and allow him to play more freely.</P>


I'm not concerned at all and could care less who our MLB is going to be.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:14 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</p>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</p>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</p>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</p>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</p>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</p>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</p>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</p>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</p>

whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:16 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</P>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</P>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</P>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</P>




yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds


</P>


</P>


who is 240? spikes? dude's like 260, slow, and has awful hips..terrible terrible fit for a 43, he was simply not going to go to a 43. JPP is a DE who is 6'4'' 1/2, 270, and runs .4 seconds faster in the 40 than Spikes. JPP's first step and burst is also what makes him the freak that he is, to go along with his long arms. </P>


Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant next year. We needed another guy to be ready to be that 3rd guy or even that 1st or 2nd guy, we now have that guy in JPP. Reaching for need has never been a good philosophy in drafting and it's clear that's what you were hoping we'd do.</P>





no washington, sorry qouted the wrong post from u.

Well hes our Vernon Gholsten, i'll be serving crow on it when he busts. When you have a single position that you need you do it. Fine, dont draft high, but then move ur ****in 5th round pick and go get a crafty vet like Morrison. Theres no way your gona dice it when its going to be okay to not get a MLB from this past year. Can't say any of these were true reaches. Weatherspoon went 5 picks after us in the first and those LBs all went immediatly after us in the 2nd. They were all in range, there was no reaching involved
</P>


Gholston doesnt have anywhere near the motor JPP has, which is what gives him a great chance. The best players in this league are freak athletes, so I guess at one point in your mind all of the following were also Vernon Gholstons: Willis, Fitz, Ware, the list goes on and on.</P>


</P>


Like I said previously- a great argument can be made for Weatherspoon, but even he has the similar questions, after all he's a freak, too, not to mention he'd be switching positions. The other LBers obviously had nowhere near the value that Joseph presented which also happened to fit a need, which is why we didn't take one.</P>



So then wheres the reasoning for not sending a bull**** pick for Morrison?


<FONT size=5>And all of those guys u mentioned, beside VG all were drafted because of their freakness and talent...
</FONT>
VG was drafted and was suppose to be a project because of how big and strong he is and bla bla bla.. it just sounds eerily familirt to our situtation.
</P>


VG started at OSU, so yea I'm sure going into the draft scouts thought he had no talent at all.</P>


As for Morrison, idk, that probably wouldve been good value, but I'm assuming the staff thinks Goff really isn't all that much of a drop off.</P>

shocknaweny
04-26-2010, 03:17 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick... Mitch Petrius I like too ! JPP ( not sure yet )</P>


I thought Joseph was the best pick.</P>


Steve Sumner was saying on WFAN 660 Fr. night that he got winded at ECU and had to take breathers in between series....( he is a little out of shape )</P>


Joseph will be a running down tackle.* he won't be in the game in passing situation.* I can see any 4 of Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Canty and JPP as the D line on passing downs.* Similar to what we did in 07.* (How'd that work out?)* </P>


Joseph wasn't brought in to play 60 plays/game.* He's a run stopper.</P>

hope your right about him MH !!!
If he can be a space-eater and occuoy 2 lineman like Ngota does for the Ravens that would be AMAZING !!!!

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:17 PM
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slow playing LBers
</p>


</p>


coming from the guy that wanted Spikes.</p>

don't try and say playing speed and 40 time is the same thing...

cuz thats what it seems like ur trying to say... theres is ZERO knock on the kids playing ability... i'm not a combine *****, its minimal to me. I want football players... not freakish athletes that we're gonna try and mold into football players..

but ya know what i would of loved it, if we handled our MLB situation.. hard to justify adding somebody to our most talented position when we Goff or Wilkinson starting in the middle for us

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 03:18 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:18 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</P>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</P>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</P>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</P>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</P>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</P>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</P>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</P>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</P>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</P>


I'm just trying to talk you off the ledge Matt. I did it last year when we didn't trade for Braylon and, by gosh, I'm going to do it this year. A simple "thank you" would be nice.</P>


I expect hysterics from Daven.But you............</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:18 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</P>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</P>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</P>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</P>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</P>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</P>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</P>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</P>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</P>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</P>


</P>


who said we're one piece away? This isn't baseball where the Yankees can sign a piece every year and not worry about the future, this is the NFL you have to actually think about what you're doing so that you can continuously field a good team.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:19 PM
liked the Phillip Dillard pick....LOVED the Chad Jones and Matt Dodge pixks...dunno anything bout this Adrian Tracy guy and I HATED the Linval Joseph pick... Mitch Petrius I like too ! JPP ( not sure yet )</P>


I thought Joseph was the best pick.</P>


Steve Sumner was saying on WFAN 660 Fr. night that he got winded at ECU and had to take breathers in between series....( he is a little out of shape )</P>


Joseph will be a running down tackle. he won't be in the game in passing situation. I can see any 4 of Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Canty and JPP as the D line on passing downs. Similar to what we did in 07. (How'd that work out?) </P>


Joseph wasn't brought in to play 60 plays/game. He's a run stopper.</P>


hope your right about him MH !!! If he can be a space-eater and occuoy 2 lineman like Ngota does for the Ravens that would be AMAZING !!!!</P>


Thats actually the guy I'd compare him to.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:22 PM
Just heard that Andre Dixon has signed as an UDFA with the Giants.</P>


I love this kid.......A lot!!!!!!!</P>


http://blog.nj.com/rutgers_football/2007/10/medium_dixonakron.JPG</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:23 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</p>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</p>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</p>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</p>

you go look at how the other big caliber rookie LBs have played (which are comparable) and they were ALL effective in their first year...

Ryans, Beason, Willis, Cushing - i would o fbeen fine with that type of production. Plus none of them had the surroundings that McClain would of had if he was a giant.

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 03:24 PM
Ryan Howard (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6097) will remain in a Philadelphia Phillies (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=phi) uniform through the 2016 season after agreeing to a five-year extension worth an average of $25 million per year.</P>


The slugging first baseman has agreed to a five-year, $125 million extension that will kick in starting with the 2012 season. If Howard reaches incentive clauses and the team picks up its option for the 2017 season, Howard could earn as much as $138 million.</P>


</P>


Howard will earn $20 million in each of the 2012 and 2013 seasons and $25 million per season from 2014-16. The Phillies hold a club option for the 2017 season that is worth $23 million with a $10 million buyout. </P>


Howard also received a limited no-trade clause in the contract.</P>


</P>


[:D][:D][:D]</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:24 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


You're funny. First you panic that we can't play defense unless we draft a top notch MLB, and then you say that it was just injuries that caused our problems last year. Please pick a position so I know what to argue against.</p>


I agree that injuries killed us last year. Do you think that we won't have injuries this year? </p>


WE LACK PASSRUSH!!!!!! And we lack the ability to cover downfield. Rolle and KP, Rolle and Jones, even Rolle and MJ give us a much better ability to cover. On pass rush, our lack of rotation is what kills us. In 07 we had fresh legs going all the time. We have not been able to get to the QB since the middle of 08. JPP will enhance that rotation and provide the ability on passing downs to force offenses to account for him. This is a huge deal for us.</p>




how is that funny?

We need a legit MLB, we had one in pierce. Injuries destroyed that defense totally. Now we don't have Pierce anymore? I dont get whats so confusing?

Listen anytime your going to lose 5 starters to injuries, then 3-4 regular fillins your defense is going to hurt.. thats a major number of injuries and we had playmakers down too.

We lacked a passh rush because our two best DTs were hurt all year, Canty came back but wasn't in shape. And Tuck was playing with limbs hanging off and Osi wasn't 100%. Not to mention no saftey play and corners banged up as well...

Lets not have open WRs and give the pass rush a LIL extra time and it might of been a bit better.

</p>


So what would you have them do that they didn't do? For all we know Dillard is a better fit than McClain.</p>

i'm about as excited for Dilliard as i am for a colonoscopy when im ur age...

all i see is another mid to late draft pick at LB to just wear a giants uni who more than likely wont pan out

shocknaweny
04-26-2010, 03:26 PM
Just heard that Andre Dixon has signed as an UDFA with the Giants.</P>


I love this kid.......A lot!!!!!!!</P>


http://blog.nj.com/rutgers_football/2007/10/medium_dixonakron.JPG</P>

Is that him MH ???

He played for UCONN....never heard of him...He a CB ???

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:26 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</p>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</p>


Noone has been crowned the starting MLB, and I think you underestimate just how awful MJ is.</p>


We're going to have alot of 3 safety sets and I will bet almost anything that Boley will be wearing the headset as he's the most veteran lb on the team and is a 3down LBer, which will lessen the burden on whomever the MLB and allow him to play more freely.</p>


I'm not concerned at all and could care less who our MLB is going to be.</p>

yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:26 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</P>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</P>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</P>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</P>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</P>




you go look at how the other big caliber rookie LBs have played (which are comparable) and they were ALL effective in their first year...

Ryans, Beason, Willis, Cushing - i would o fbeen fine with that type of production. Plus none of them had the surroundings that McClain would of had if he was a giant.


</P>


The first 3 are good examples. Cushing isn't a MLB. Do you actually think that McClain is as good as Patrick Willis? He's not near as athletic.</P>


Anyway, McClain was never available to us. If we had cooperated with your needs and gone 4-12 last year, we may have had a chance to draft him. He went at #8. We couldn't get him.</P>


Deal with it. Its not like we passed on him.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:27 PM
Just heard that Andre Dixon has signed as an UDFA with the Giants.</P>


I love this kid.......A lot!!!!!!!</P>


http://blog.nj.com/rutgers_football/2007/10/medium_dixonakron.JPG</P>


Is that him MH ??? He played for UCONN....never heard of him...He a CB ???</P>


Very dynamic RB. Had a great bowl game.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:28 PM
What is your fascination with wanting a strictly 3-4 MLB play for us? MLB really isn't all that important as it's made out to be

i dont even know where to start with u on that...


</p>


I told you Spikes would go to a 3-4 team, and guess what?</p>


Secondly, MLB is like the 4th most important position on the team.</p>


The game is won and lost in the trenches therefore I value DE and DT over MLB. CB play coming in at 3rd. It's quite simple to see how much franchises value certain positions as well. Just go ahead and look at the payscales. While its a rough model, it really paints the picture. MLB is just not that big of a deal if you have the other 3 positions I mentioned filled with good players.</p>




yea well I think we would of covered the trenches with Alford, Cofield, Canty, Benard, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Tollefson, and then one of the first 2 round picks we used on the line man

Hes 240 and Gil Brant himself said hes an easy 250 in a week.

Where he ended up has nothing to do wtih anything, its a simple fact that they have been scouted as being able to play the middle of a 4-3 as well.. but i see ur point, lets roll the dice on an inexperienced DE whose combine wans't even that impressive for such a "freak of nature" instead of getting a talent at a position we need somebody at and trying to roll the dice with them. Theres no way ur going to dice it where it will make sense that we didn't make a move on a LB in the first two rounds


</p>


</p>


who is 240? spikes? dude's like 260, slow, and has awful hips..terrible terrible fit for a 43, he was simply not going to go to a 43. JPP is a DE who is 6'4'' 1/2, 270, and runs .4 seconds faster in the 40 than Spikes. JPP's first step and burst is also what makes him the freak that he is, to go along with his long arms. </p>


Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant next year. We needed another guy to be ready to be that 3rd guy or even that 1st or 2nd guy, we now have that guy in JPP. Reaching for need has never been a good philosophy in drafting and it's clear that's what you were hoping we'd do.</p>





no washington, sorry qouted the wrong post from u.

Well hes our Vernon Gholsten, i'll be serving crow on it when he busts. When you have a single position that you need you do it. Fine, dont draft high, but then move ur ****in 5th round pick and go get a crafty vet like Morrison. Theres no way your gona dice it when its going to be okay to not get a MLB from this past year. Can't say any of these were true reaches. Weatherspoon went 5 picks after us in the first and those LBs all went immediatly after us in the 2nd. They were all in range, there was no reaching involved
</p>


Gholston doesnt have anywhere near the motor JPP has, which is what gives him a great chance. The best players in this league are freak athletes, so I guess at one point in your mind all of the following were also Vernon Gholstons: Willis, Fitz, Ware, the list goes on and on.</p>


</p>


Like I said previously- a great argument can be made for Weatherspoon, but even he has the similar questions, after all he's a freak, too, not to mention he'd be switching positions. The other LBers obviously had nowhere near the value that Joseph presented which also happened to fit a need, which is why we didn't take one.</p>



So then wheres the reasoning for not sending a bull**** pick for Morrison?


<font size="5">And all of those guys u mentioned, beside VG all were drafted because of their freakness and talent...
</font>
VG was drafted and was suppose to be a project because of how big and strong he is and bla bla bla.. it just sounds eerily familirt to our situtation.
</p>


VG started at OSU, so yea I'm sure going into the draft scouts thought he had no talent at all.</p>


As for Morrison, idk, that probably wouldve been good value, but I'm assuming the staff thinks Goff really isn't all that much of a drop off.</p>

VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:28 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</P>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</P>


</P>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</P>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</P>


</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:29 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</p>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</p>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</p>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</p>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</p>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</p>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</p>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</p>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</p>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</p>


I'm just trying to talk you off the ledge Matt. I did it last year when we didn't trade for Braylon and, by gosh, I'm going to do it this year. A simple "thank you" would be nice.</p>


I expect hysterics from Daven.But you............</p>

this not addressing the LB core.. AGAIN.. WHEN ITS THE ONLY ISSUETHAT IS VISIBLE.. it just like really pisses me off...

I know u like JPP but I mean its such a hit or miss pick that I just dont feel that good about it

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:30 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</P>


</P>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:31 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</p>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</p>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</p>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</p>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</p>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</p>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</p>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</p>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</p>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</p>


</p>


who said we're one piece away? This isn't baseball where the Yankees can sign a piece every year and not worry about the future, this is the NFL you have to actually think about what you're doing so that you can continuously field a good team.</p>

oh please... we could of used some help at spots il;ke DL, CB, or OL, but we relaly only had one position that is totally open and have no real starter for. Thats what i mean when i say one piece away

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:32 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:34 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</p>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</p>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</p>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</p>




you go look at how the other big caliber rookie LBs have played (which are comparable) and they were ALL effective in their first year...

Ryans, Beason, Willis, Cushing - i would o fbeen fine with that type of production. Plus none of them had the surroundings that McClain would of had if he was a giant.


</p>


The first 3 are good examples. Cushing isn't a MLB. Do you actually think that McClain is as good as Patrick Willis? He's not near as athletic.</p>


Anyway, McClain was never available to us. If we had cooperated with your needs and gone 4-12 last year, we may have had a chance to draft him. He went at #8. We couldn't get him.</p>


Deal with it. Its not like we passed on him.</p>

hes OLB in a 4-3... similiar enough

i think Patric Willis is the best MLB in the game... but i think McClain DEF falls into the Beason/Ryans catagory

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:34 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</P>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</P>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</P>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</P>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</P>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</P>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</P>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</P>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</P>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</P>


</P>


who said we're one piece away? This isn't baseball where the Yankees can sign a piece every year and not worry about the future, this is the NFL you have to actually think about what you're doing so that you can continuously field a good team.</P>




oh please... we could of used some help at spots il;ke DL, CB, or OL, but we relaly only had one position that is totally open and have no real starter for. Thats what i mean when i say one piece away
</P>


</P>


you are aware that we did end up taking a MLB right?</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:35 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</P>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</P>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</P>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</P>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</P>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</P>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</P>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</P>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</P>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</P>


I'm just trying to talk you off the ledge Matt. I did it last year when we didn't trade for Braylon and, by gosh, I'm going to do it this year. A simple "thank you" would be nice.</P>


I expect hysterics from Daven.But you............</P>




this not addressing the LB core.. AGAIN.. WHEN ITS THE ONLY ISSUETHAT IS VISIBLE.. it just like really pisses me off...

I know u like JPP but I mean its such a hit or miss pick that I just dont feel that good about it
</P>


They are ALL hit or miss.</P>


These are college players who play most of their games vs. inferior talent.</P>


South Fl. played a tough schedule.</P>


You don't draft players to plug a need. You just don't. JPP will be here long after Osi and Tuck are gone.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:35 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</p>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</p>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</p>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</p>




you go look at how the other big caliber rookie LBs have played (which are comparable) and they were ALL effective in their first year...

Ryans, Beason, Willis, Cushing - i would o fbeen fine with that type of production. Plus none of them had the surroundings that McClain would of had if he was a giant.


</p>


The first 3 are good examples. Cushing isn't a MLB. Do you actually think that McClain is as good as Patrick Willis? He's not near as athletic.</p>


Anyway, McClain was never available to us. If we had cooperated with your needs and gone 4-12 last year, we may have had a chance to draft him. He went at #8. We couldn't get him.</p>


Deal with it. Its not like we passed on him.</p>

hes OLB in a 4-3... similiar enough

i think Patric Willis is the best MLB in the game... but i think McClain DEF falls into the Beason/Ryans catagory

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:35 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</p>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</p>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</p>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</p>




you go look at how the other big caliber rookie LBs have played (which are comparable) and they were ALL effective in their first year...

Ryans, Beason, Willis, Cushing - i would o fbeen fine with that type of production. Plus none of them had the surroundings that McClain would of had if he was a giant.


</p>


The first 3 are good examples. Cushing isn't a MLB. Do you actually think that McClain is as good as Patrick Willis? He's not near as athletic.</p>


Anyway, McClain was never available to us. If we had cooperated with your needs and gone 4-12 last year, we may have had a chance to draft him. He went at #8. We couldn't get him.</p>


Deal with it. Its not like we passed on him.</p>

hes OLB in a 4-3... similiar enough

i think Patric Willis is the best MLB in the game... but i think McClain DEF falls into the Beason/Ryans catagory

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 03:36 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>
Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 03:39 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:41 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</P>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</P>


</P>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</P>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</P>


</P>


</P>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol


</P>


</P>


Of course. The sacks link is a good find.</P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:41 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</P>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</P>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</P>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</P>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</P>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</P>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</P>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</P>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</P>




you go look at how the other big caliber rookie LBs have played (which are comparable) and they were ALL effective in their first year...

Ryans, Beason, Willis, Cushing - i would o fbeen fine with that type of production. Plus none of them had the surroundings that McClain would of had if he was a giant.


</P>


The first 3 are good examples. Cushing isn't a MLB. Do you actually think that McClain is as good as Patrick Willis? He's not near as athletic.</P>


Anyway, McClain was never available to us. If we had cooperated with your needs and gone 4-12 last year, we may have had a chance to draft him. He went at #8. We couldn't get him.</P>


Deal with it. Its not like we passed on him.</P>




hes OLB in a 4-3... similiar enough

i think Patric Willis is the best MLB in the game... but i think McClain DEF falls into the Beason/Ryans catagory
</P>


I really don't know how many times I have to say this.</P>


HE WASN'T AVAILABLE. HE WENT TO OAKLAND AT #8. WE DRAFTED AT 15!!!!!!</P>


Did you want us to trade up to 7 for God's sake???</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:42 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:43 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Deacon Jones went in the 15th round. Antonio Pierce wasn't drafted.</P>


The league is full of great players who were either drafted late or not drafted at all.</P>

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 03:44 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol


</p>


</p>


Of course. The sacks link is a good find.</p>
Just want to clarify I am not taking sides. I just found that helped prove a point to both sides somewhat and with Matt's kindergarten learning level it helps to show things instead of tell them. lol j/k

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:44 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</p>


</p>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</p>

depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 03:45 PM
hey everyone. how was everyone's tweakend?

I'm closing today, so I was busy doing a whole lot of nothing today before I came into work lol. reminds me of my old part timer days! lol

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 03:45 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>


</P>


well we are saying before he steps on an NFL field that he can start... so yeah absoultely... the only people that you should know are 110% NFL starter ready material from the day that are drafted are ppl fromthe 1st and maybe high 2nd round. If someone is hands down start ready before even one NFL practice they shouldnt be going mid-4th round.</P>

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 03:45 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</p>


</p>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </p>


</p>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</p>


</p>


Deacon Jones went in the 15th round. Antonio Pierce wasn't drafted.</p>


The league is full of great players who were either drafted late or not drafted at all.</p>
How about Tom Brady? lol 6th rd...

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:46 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</p>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</p>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</p>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</p>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</p>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</p>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</p>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</p>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</p>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</p>


</p>


who said we're one piece away? This isn't baseball where the Yankees can sign a piece every year and not worry about the future, this is the NFL you have to actually think about what you're doing so that you can continuously field a good team.</p>




oh please... we could of used some help at spots il;ke DL, CB, or OL, but we relaly only had one position that is totally open and have no real starter for. Thats what i mean when i say one piece away
</p>


</p>


you are aware that we did end up taking a MLB right?</p>

yea what was it the 4th or 5th....

sooo great were relying ona 5th round pick and another mid range LB that the Giants draft...

but im crazy to think that we should rely on a first or second rounder to come in?

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:47 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</p>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</p>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</p>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</p>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</p>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</p>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</p>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</p>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</p>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</p>


I'm just trying to talk you off the ledge Matt. I did it last year when we didn't trade for Braylon and, by gosh, I'm going to do it this year. A simple "thank you" would be nice.</p>


I expect hysterics from Daven.But you............</p>




this not addressing the LB core.. AGAIN.. WHEN ITS THE ONLY ISSUETHAT IS VISIBLE.. it just like really pisses me off...

I know u like JPP but I mean its such a hit or miss pick that I just dont feel that good about it
</p>


They are ALL hit or miss.</p>


These are college players who play most of their games vs. inferior talent.</p>


South Fl. played a tough schedule.</p>


You don't draft players to plug a need. You just don't. JPP will be here long after Osi and Tuck are gone.</p>

Moorehead, u keep saying that, but we always do lol. Except for Kiwi, when was the last time we DIDNT draft for need?

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 03:47 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Deacon Jones went in the 15th round. Antonio Pierce wasn't drafted.</P>


The league is full of great players who were either drafted late or not drafted at all.</P>


</P>


im not a moron lol i know that... im saying before someone has even freaking practiced you cant just say oh well theyll start...... look at romo.. i mean overall a decent QB that was undrafted and now he could start on half the teams in the league but no one would said that the day the cowgirls signed him.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:48 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>
Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:49 PM
yea what was it the 4th or 5th....

sooo great were relying ona 5th round pick and another mid range LB that the Giants draft...

but im crazy to think that we should rely on a first or second rounder to come in?
</P>


So what? The Eagles have been putting a random dude in at MLB ever since Trotter turned into a piece of crap and year in and year out they produce a stellar defense. It's all about pressure, who the **** cares who the MLB is.</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:52 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</P>


</P>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</P>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</P>


</P>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:54 PM
hello boys!!!! im backkkkkkkkkkk!!! sooo how about that draft? how was everyones week?</p>


Where have you been Blondie. Haven't heard from you in a while.</p>


Draft was (as far as I know) very productive. But time will tell. We now have the makings of great rotations on the D line. Our safety and CB situation is strong, buts its all about avoiding horrible injuries like we had last year.</p>


Matt is wrong again about the draft. He focuses too much on MLB and not enough on the real deficiencies in last years defense. (downfield pass coverage and pass rush).</p>




so u think it has nothing to do with the fact that the defense was totally injured?

You don't think having Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster, Canty, Tuck, Osi, and Alford come back healthy would of had a major difference? I guess thats where you and I differ....

but i know i know.. mlb doesn't really matter

[:^)]
</p>


So now we have more depth so that if they get hurt again its not as big of a deal.</p>




you lose your starting MLB, Saftey, Corner, and DT for the year...

on top of ur two stud DEs, ones racking up injurysthe toher is coming off leg injury

plus ur new high paid DT missing half the year for injury (the first half so hes never in shape)

your defense is going to hurt no matter what...


especially with Webby and Boley missing time too...

last year was an injury riddled year and we're doing the same thing with MLB that we did with saftey last year. From day one i thought it was ridic to leave MJ in there and crowned starter, thats what we're doing now except MLB is ALOT more important position and will not only ruin u on the pass but also in the run
</p>


I can understand if you wanted to trade for Morrison (so did I), but McClain wasn't coming in and playing without negative impact. He's a rook. And its the QB of the defense. With our D line depth, outside LB's and secondary, we could be an awesome defense.</p>


As I said, you can't have a pro bowler at every position.</p>




you go look at how the other big caliber rookie LBs have played (which are comparable) and they were ALL effective in their first year...

Ryans, Beason, Willis, Cushing - i would o fbeen fine with that type of production. Plus none of them had the surroundings that McClain would of had if he was a giant.


</p>


The first 3 are good examples. Cushing isn't a MLB. Do you actually think that McClain is as good as Patrick Willis? He's not near as athletic.</p>


Anyway, McClain was never available to us. If we had cooperated with your needs and gone 4-12 last year, we may have had a chance to draft him. He went at #8. We couldn't get him.</p>


Deal with it. Its not like we passed on him.</p>




hes OLB in a 4-3... similiar enough

i think Patric Willis is the best MLB in the game... but i think McClain DEF falls into the Beason/Ryans catagory
</p>


I really don't know how many times I have to say this.</p>


HE WASN'T AVAILABLE. HE WENT TO OAKLAND AT #8. WE DRAFTED AT 15!!!!!!</p>


Did you want us to trade up to 7 for God's sake???</p>

you asked me a question and i answered it.. dont get pissy

and yes, what if we did trade our first and 2nd for McClain...

then instead of using our second to draft a DT we sign Henderson today

then instead of drafting Dillard in the 4th, we draft Everson Griffin.

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:54 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</P>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</P>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</P>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</P>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</P>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</P>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</P>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</P>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</P>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</P>


I'm just trying to talk you off the ledge Matt. I did it last year when we didn't trade for Braylon and, by gosh, I'm going to do it this year. A simple "thank you" would be nice.</P>


I expect hysterics from Daven.But you............</P>




this not addressing the LB core.. AGAIN.. WHEN ITS THE ONLY ISSUETHAT IS VISIBLE.. it just like really pisses me off...

I know u like JPP but I mean its such a hit or miss pick that I just dont feel that good about it
</P>


They are ALL hit or miss.</P>


These are college players who play most of their games vs. inferior talent.</P>


South Fl. played a tough schedule.</P>


You don't draft players to plug a need. You just don't. JPP will be here long after Osi and Tuck are gone.</P>




Moorehead, u keep saying that, but we always do lol. <FONT size=5>Except for Kiwi</FONT>, when was the last time we DIDNT draft for need?
</P>


KP didn't start in 08. Nicks didn't start until late in the season of 09. Corey Webster didn't start in 05. </P>


It reminds me of the joke...</P>


What do a canary and an elephant have in common?</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


They both fly....except the elephant.</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 03:54 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</P>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</P>


</P>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</P>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</P>


</P>


</P>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</P>


</P>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 03:55 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</p>


</p>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </p>


</p>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</p>


</p>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </p>

no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 03:56 PM
I'm with these guys...

if we planned on using the rook as a starting LB, we woulda went with a 1st rounder, not a 3rd dayer. Which is really my main concern as of right now. That and, if they drafted JPPwithout the intentions of building depth, and jsut get rid of Osi....but it might be a little late for that, so idk...

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:58 PM
<FONT size=6>Don't worry Matt.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=6>Moorehead will save you................</FONT></P>


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/cazaman15/man-on-ledge1.png?t=1272311831</P>


<FONT size=6>AGAIN!!!</FONT></P>

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 03:59 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</P>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</P>


</P>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</P>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</P>


</P>


</P>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</P>


</P>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</P>


</P>


The definitive point of this years draft for us.</P>

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 04:00 PM
It's all about pressure, who the **** cares who the MLB is.
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lawl
04-26-2010, 04:01 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</P>


when did i say that</P>

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 04:03 PM
I love this thread and everyone in it.....</P>


...that is all...</P>


</P>


</P>


edit - oh, except lawl! who IS this guy!?!?
lol j/k =]</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:04 PM
yea what was it the 4th or 5th....

sooo great were relying ona 5th round pick and another mid range LB that the Giants draft...

but im crazy to think that we should rely on a first or second rounder to come in?
</p>


So what? The Eagles have been putting a random dude in at MLB ever since Trotter turned into a piece of crap and year in and year out they produce a stellar defense. It's all about pressure, who the **** cares who the MLB is.</p>

Eagles defense has been successful due to hte jim johnson scheme.. its already starting to decline without him.

Us on the other hand are on our 4th defensive scheme in 6 years

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:05 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</p>


</p>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</p>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</p>


</p>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</p>

well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 04:07 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</P>


</P>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</P>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</P>


</P>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</P>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</P>


All the experts agree that Tenn. was taking him at 16 if the Giants didn't at 15.</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:08 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</P>


</P>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</P>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</P>


</P>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</P>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</P>


okay and some people had the bucs taking him if suh and mccoy went 1-2. At 15 he was obviously the best player on our board, and the Titans who were right behind us</P>

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 04:08 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</P>


exactly. thats like saying after drafting Barden last year he was replacing plax....</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:10 PM
It was then, in the second quarter of his second game, he slammed his head into a Coffeyville running back. Pierre-Paul fell to the ground.


"My neck!" he screamed.</p>


As the ambulance sped away, Sims focused his attention on the game, trying not to worry about his young player. But then, early in the third quarter, he felt a tap on his shoulder.</p>


"I turned around and he's standing there saying, 'Coach, I can play,'" Sims recalls. "I said, 'No, you can't Jason.'" It was then, Sims says, Pierre-Paul reached behind him and retrieved his hospital release forms he had stuffed in his pants.</p>


"The doctor looks at them and says 'He's good to go.'" remembers Sims. "So I said 'Well get in.'</p>


"And he says, 'Coach, I don't have a helmet. They cut it off my head.'"</p>


Pierre-Paul returned to the field after the injury, the ambulance ride, and some time inside an MRI tube. He eventually found a new helmet and went on to record three sacks in what was left of that 15-0 Fort Scott win</p>




great story

not saying he doesn't have the right attitude, just saying us not fixing a need and then rolling the dice on somebody who is so hit or miss as this guy with so many question marks (whether u want to join reality or not on that) just wasn't a way to do things. If we trade our 5th fo rMorrison and draft pierre, im fine and i would of shut up.


You keep downplaying the value of a MLB, i'm not. REGARDLESS of how good your dline is
</p>


You "fix needs" with free agency. You build your team with the draft. I'm shocked that a guy with your football knowledge doesn't understand this.</p>


Do you honestly believe that you can count on a rookie to come in and play MLB to replace a great Giant like AP? You draft to add prospects and then you develop them. Especially at positions like MLB.</p>




whoa whoa whoa... we had a need for CB 3 years ago, we draft ross, two years ago at saftey, we draft phillips, last year at wr we draft nicks. I dont want to hear that.

When your one piece a way, you make a move to get that piece. Whether its moving up to get McClain, shipping bs picks to get morrison, or drafting one of these LBs..

I think its VERY doable to draft a rookie MLB and start him, look at the history of it, its one of the easiest transitions in college to pros
</p>


I'm just trying to talk you off the ledge Matt. I did it last year when we didn't trade for Braylon and, by gosh, I'm going to do it this year. A simple "thank you" would be nice.</p>


I expect hysterics from Daven.But you............</p>




this not addressing the LB core.. AGAIN.. WHEN ITS THE ONLY ISSUETHAT IS VISIBLE.. it just like really pisses me off...

I know u like JPP but I mean its such a hit or miss pick that I just dont feel that good about it
</p>


They are ALL hit or miss.</p>


These are college players who play most of their games vs. inferior talent.</p>


South Fl. played a tough schedule.</p>


You don't draft players to plug a need. You just don't. JPP will be here long after Osi and Tuck are gone.</p>




Moorehead, u keep saying that, but we always do lol. <font size="5">Except for Kiwi</font>, when was the last time we DIDNT draft for need?
</p>


KP didn't start in 08. Nicks didn't start until late in the season of 09. Corey Webster didn't start in 05. </p>


It reminds me of the joke...</p>


What do a canary and an elephant have in common?</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


They both fly....except the elephant.</p>

Hakeem Nicks was practically our #2 last year and would of possibly been our #1 ihad he not been injured for a number of weeks.

Phillips was starting by the end of the years, as was Aaron Ross who started 9 of 15, and Corey Webster, AND eli manning

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:13 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</p>


</p>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</p>

yea wait til teams start with the three step drops, draws, and screens...

dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:13 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</P>


exactly. thats like saying after drafting Barden last year he was replacing plax....</P>


</P>


1. I never said anything about Dillard being the "solution"</P>


2. A 4th round pick contributing to the team isn't far fetched at all.</P>


3. Comparing"contributing to the team" to "replacing Plaxico Burress" is a bit of a hyperbole if you ask me</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:14 PM
<font size="6">Don't worry Matt.</font></p>


<font size="6">Moorehead will save you................</font></p>


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/cazaman15/man-on-ledge1.png?t=1272311831</p>


<font size="6">AGAIN!!!</font></p>

well u better hope ur right, cuz when teams are jammin th eballs down our throats and nuetralizing a pass rush with 3 step drops and screens... i can't wait to ask u guys how JPP is doing

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 04:15 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 04:15 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</P>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</P>


</P>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</P>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</P>


</P>


</P>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</P>


</P>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</P>




yea wait til teams start with the three step drops, draws, and screens...

dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...
</P>


OMG. This is your new stock argument. Its a foolish one. Pass rush is the most important component of a defense.</P>


Should we just count one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand before we send the pass rushers?</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:15 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</p>


</p>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</p>


</p>


The definitive point of this years draft for us.</p>

i actually saw a comparison of Jerry Reese going line crazy like Matt Millan went WR crazy...

u guys are following suit...

obviously the trenches is much mroe important, but having a rounded defense is just as important..

not having a MLB.. we'll see how that works for us

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:17 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</p>


</p>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </p>


</p>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</p>


</p>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </p>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</p>


when did i say that</p>

u did, in that qoute, where u sai dDillard or Goff would be one a strong possibility to be the starters

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:18 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</P>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</P>


</P>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</P>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</P>


</P>


</P>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</P>


</P>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</P>




yea wait til teams start with the three step drops, draws, and screens...

dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...
</P>


</P>


which is why cornerbacks are also more important than MLBs, thanks MMB.</P>


Also all those freaks we got on the line will make it hard for QBs to throw over because of their long arms and the big guys int he middle will swallow up the draws. </P>


Screens are hit and miss. they were quite effective against us even in Pierce's prime, so I'm not quite sure how this is a good argument for you wanting a MLB instead of what we drafted</P>

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 04:18 PM
<font size="6">Don't worry Matt.</font></p>


<font size="6">Moorehead will save you................</font></p>


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/cazaman15/man-on-ledge1.png?t=1272311831</p>


<font size="6">AGAIN!!!</font></p>
i can't wait to ask u guys how JPP is doing
what kinda giant fan are you, meyer-regs?! your rooting for him to fail and he has yet to play one snap?? bahhhhh with you!

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:20 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</p>


</p>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</p>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</p>


</p>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</p>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</p>


All the experts agree that Tenn. was taking him at 16 if the Giants didn't at 15.</p>

all the experts also had Derick Morgan being gone by that pick...

Morgan wasn't suppose ot be around for the Titans pick and they took him, so odds are those same experts would of had Morgan to the Titans if they knew he was gonna be around vs JPP

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:20 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</P>


when did i say that</P>




u did, in that qoute, where u sai dDillard or Goff would be one a strong possibility to be the starters
</P>


as compared to Gwilk yea, you aren;t going gwiz on me now are you? Assuming Dillard can outperform Wilk isn't saying much and I never said had he won the job how well he would do, Nice try though</P>

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 04:21 PM
dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...

That is where "The Freak" comes in

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:21 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</p>


</p>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</p>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</p>


</p>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</p>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</p>


okay and some people had the bucs taking him if suh and mccoy went 1-2. At 15 he was obviously the best player on our board, and the Titans who were right behind us</p>

i dont thin kthat could be anymore false..

i don't think i saw a single projected mock or draft ranking that had JPP ahead of Morgan

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:23 PM
<FONT size=6>Don't worry Matt.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=6>Moorehead will save you................</FONT></P>


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/cazaman15/man-on-ledge1.png?t=1272311831</P>


<FONT size=6>AGAIN!!!</FONT></P>



i can't wait to ask u guys how JPP is doing
what kinda giant fan are you, meyer-regs?! your rooting for him to fail and he has yet to play one snap?? bahhhhh with you!
</P>


mmb is to JPP as Manningbowl is to Eli Manning.</P>


Good analogy if you ask me</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:24 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:25 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</P>


</P>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</P>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</P>


</P>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</P>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</P>


okay and some people had the bucs taking him if suh and mccoy went 1-2. At 15 he was obviously the best player on our board, and the Titans who were right behind us</P>




i dont thin kthat could be anymore false..

i don't think i saw a single projected mock or draft ranking that had JPP ahead of Morgan
</P>


Mayock had JPP rated higher than Morgan, thats just off the top of my head</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:26 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</p>


</p>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</p>




yea wait til teams start with the three step drops, draws, and screens...

dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...
</p>


OMG. This is your new stock argument. Its a foolish one. Pass rush is the most important component of a defense.</p>


Should we just count one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand before we send the pass rushers?</p>

moorehead its the same **** i've been saying.

when we were talking friday go look it up...

u can't be a one dimensional defense, teams are just going to neutralize a pass rush. Leaving a gaping whole at MLB is an awful idea.

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:26 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


</P>


good thing we have a stout interior line then</P>

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 04:26 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</P>


exactly. thats like saying after drafting Barden last year he was replacing plax....</P>


</P>


1. I never said anything about Dillard being the "solution"</P>


2. A 4th round pick contributing to the team isn't far fetched at all.</P>


3. Comparing"contributing to the team" to "replacing Plaxico Burress" is a bit of a hyperbole if you ask me</P>


</P>


</P>


1. you said there was a high possiblity to be the "solution"</P>


2. im not saying contributing is being far fetched but being the solution and high possiblity of a starter being a 4th round pick and not even experiencing 1 nfl practice is crazy to me i dont care if you have a solid college career ornot. if your a walk on starter you beat your *** yourgetting draftedin the first round</P>


3.your saying a 4th rounder will replace the QB of our defense... im usingpurely as ananology... to me it is exactly like saying well Barden is a 6'6' monster and he was drafted 3rd round so that means he should play #1replacing plax.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:28 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</p>


</p>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</p>




yea wait til teams start with the three step drops, draws, and screens...

dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...
</p>


</p>


which is why cornerbacks are also more important than MLBs, thanks MMB.</p>


Also all those freaks we got on the line will make it hard for QBs to throw over because of their long arms and the big guys int he middle will swallow up the draws. </p>


Screens are hit and miss. they were quite effective against us even in Pierce's prime, so I'm not quite sure how this is a good argument for you wanting a MLB instead of what we drafted</p>

realy? Cornerbacks are the ones making plays on draws?

I'm pretty sure teams won't be throwing the ball if they can run up the middle on us lol... keep worry about a pass rush

DIVE RIGHT FELIX JONES

DIVE LEFT LARRY JOHNSON

get this one dimensional thing out of ur head. you guys are too hung up on 2007...

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:29 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</P>


exactly. thats like saying after drafting Barden last year he was replacing plax....</P>


</P>


1. I never said anything about Dillard being the "solution"</P>


2. A 4th round pick contributing to the team isn't far fetched at all.</P>


3. Comparing"contributing to the team" to "replacing Plaxico Burress" is a bit of a hyperbole if you ask me</P>


</P>


</P>


1. you said there was a high possiblity to be the "solution"</P>


2. im not saying contributing is being far fetched but being the solution and high possiblity of a starter being a 4th round pick and not even experiencing 1 nfl practice is crazy to me i dont care if you have a solid college career ornot. if your a walk on starter you beat your *** yourgetting draftedin the first round</P>


3.your saying a 4th rounder will replace the QB of our defense... im usingpurely as ananology... to me it is exactly like saying well Barden is a 6'6' monster and he was drafted 3rd round so that means he should play #1replacing plax.</P>


</P>


</P>


Literally all that was said is that I think Dillard is better than Wilk. How you got all of that is beyond me</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:29 PM
<font size="6">Don't worry Matt.</font></p>


<font size="6">Moorehead will save you................</font></p>


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/cazaman15/man-on-ledge1.png?t=1272311831</p>


<font size="6">AGAIN!!!</font></p>
i can't wait to ask u guys how JPP is doing
what kinda giant fan are you, meyer-regs?! your rooting for him to fail and he has yet to play one snap?? bahhhhh with you!


na its the Vazgina theory...whether hes good or not , it wont matter cuz i doubt hes even gonna hvave an effect this year...

actually i should rephrase that, i'll ask you how our middle linebacker play is this year every week and we'll go from there

Morehead State
04-26-2010, 04:30 PM
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/89191055.jpg?v=1&amp;c=NewsMaker&amp;k=2&amp;d=A7B69CF049AC900 51B1DA6A9721EDB5FCF7960723B624F3035EDC8BB376A1DC2</P>


"Don't you see? If we had just signed Braylon, if we had just drafted Rolando.........</P>


It would all be OK. Help me before I injure myself!".................MMB</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:30 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</p>


</p>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </p>


</p>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</p>


</p>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </p>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</p>


when did i say that</p>




u did, in that qoute, where u sai dDillard or Goff would be one a strong possibility to be the starters
</p>


as compared to Gwilk yea, you aren;t going gwiz on me now are you? Assuming Dillard can outperform Wilk isn't saying much and I never said had he won the job how well he would do, Nice try though</p>

LMAO, u KNOW im not goinGWiz on ya hahaha....

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:32 PM
<font size="6">Don't worry Matt.</font></p>


<font size="6">Moorehead will save you................</font></p>


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/cazaman15/man-on-ledge1.png?t=1272311831</p>


<font size="6">AGAIN!!!</font></p>



i can't wait to ask u guys how JPP is doing
what kinda giant fan are you, meyer-regs?! your rooting for him to fail and he has yet to play one snap?? bahhhhh with you!
</p>


mmb is to JPP as Manningbowl is to Eli Manning.</p>


Good analogy if you ask me</p>

i just dont think hes gonna be that good. For a freak he has weak combine times and his in-game experience is VERY limited fo rsomebody thats drafted 15th overall...

like i said rephrase that question, i'll ask u how our MLB play is doing - thats hwat i can't wait for

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:33 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</p>


</p>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</p>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</p>


</p>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</p>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</p>


okay and some people had the bucs taking him if suh and mccoy went 1-2. At 15 he was obviously the best player on our board, and the Titans who were right behind us</p>




i dont thin kthat could be anymore false..

i don't think i saw a single projected mock or draft ranking that had JPP ahead of Morgan
</p>


Mayock had JPP rated higher than Morgan, thats just off the top of my head</p>

Morgan was suppose to go to Jax everywhere i looked

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:33 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</P>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</P>


</P>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</P>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</P>


</P>


</P>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</P>


</P>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</P>




yea wait til teams start with the three step drops, draws, and screens...

dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...
</P>


</P>


which is why cornerbacks are also more important than MLBs, thanks MMB.</P>


Also all those freaks we got on the line will make it hard for QBs to throw over because of their long arms and the big guys int he middle will swallow up the draws. </P>


Screens are hit and miss. they were quite effective against us even in Pierce's prime, so I'm not quite sure how this is a good argument for you wanting a MLB instead of what we drafted</P>




realy? Cornerbacks are the ones making plays on draws?

I'm pretty sure teams won't be throwing the ball if they can run up the middle on us lol... keep worry about a pass rush

DIVE RIGHT FELIX JONES

DIVE LEFT LARRY JOHNSON

get this one dimensional thing out of ur head. you guys are too hung up on 2007...
</P>


The CBs are for the 3step drops, I clearly said "the big guys in the middle will swallow up the draws". Not quite sure how that got skewed.</P>


Last year we got thrashed in week 2 by the Cowboys rushing attack, mainly because of DT play. Then later in the year the Cowboys didn't run for ****. The difference? Pierce wasn't on the field the second game. So we downgraded at MLB and played the run better, how is that possible? MLB is NOT that big of a deal. Having a great DL does NOT make you 1dimensional, if anything its the complete opposite. The new DE will continue to help our pass rush and the new DT, coupled with extra healthy bodies coming back will help the run game. The game is won and lost in the trenches, not on the second level.</P>

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 04:34 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


me and you been saying the same thing matt, and i've been catching flak for it also...
If something changes, which I think could be a possibilty still, than that's awesome....but right now, I still think there's holes. I dont think sacrificing our line depth at a sacrifice for a LB is an option either though.
it's not like our division rivals dont know how we work....Mcnabb is still a QB, Romo is still a QB(with an again improving team) and the eagles still have a good D......we arent showing them anything new either....
I just feel like we dont have any surprises....yet...
we need an added punch to give it to these teams. </P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:34 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</p>


</p>


good thing we have a stout interior line then</p>

we had that before the draft

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 04:35 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


no we didnt leave a gaping hole cause we DID draft mlbers matt. just not the ones you wanted.

dallas will still throw the ball more as long as wade is coaching. and please, stop with the skins running game already.....STOP lol

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:36 PM
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/89191055.jpg?v=1&amp;c=NewsMaker&amp;k=2&amp;d=A7B69CF049AC900 51B1DA6A9721EDB5FCF7960723B624F3035EDC8BB376A1DC2</p>


"Don't you see? If we had just signed Braylon, if we had just drafted Rolando.........</p>


It would all be OK. Help me before I injure myself!".................MMB</p>


</p>

The different? We still addressed the issue at hand by getting Nicks...

its really cute when u try all day.. borderline sexy if u ask me

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:39 PM
Maybe it would help if you gave some teams with a sub par MLB that has high sacks...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

I somewhat agree with you. I look at the teams that led the league and can think of there DE's or DT's but not there MLB?

However in give away take away 2 of the top 5 have arguably the best MLB's in the game...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake
</p>


There's really no correlation at all in the give/takeaway</p>


</p>


look at the bottom of the list- washington had a pro bowl mlb, stl had an early 2nd round pick starting at mlb, seattle has arguably the best starting 43 lb corp in the league, AZ had dansby whom alot of people wanted. Then you go to the top, Green bay has stud MLBs, Eagles had a bunch of random scrubs starting at MLB this year. Thats just the NFC</p>


Now you go to the AFC,at the top Baltimore has Ray Lewis, SD has mediocre MLBs, Denver has noone not to mention they didnt draft a MLB in the 1st roundeither. At the bottom of the list is oh boy theOakland Raiders who had the one guy, oh whats his name? Kirk Morrison,how could i forget. Houston's int he bottom5 in the Afc withRyans...</p>


</p>


</p>



Do you think he ignored this on purpose? lol




no i just dont understand what ur point was
</p>


</p>


Its all about getting pressure on the QB and as shown it doesn't really matter who the mlb is to create that.</p>




yea wait til teams start with the three step drops, draws, and screens...

dont care who u got on uyr line, u ain't hitting the QB in those situations...
</p>


</p>


which is why cornerbacks are also more important than MLBs, thanks MMB.</p>


Also all those freaks we got on the line will make it hard for QBs to throw over because of their long arms and the big guys int he middle will swallow up the draws. </p>


Screens are hit and miss. they were quite effective against us even in Pierce's prime, so I'm not quite sure how this is a good argument for you wanting a MLB instead of what we drafted</p>




realy? Cornerbacks are the ones making plays on draws?

I'm pretty sure teams won't be throwing the ball if they can run up the middle on us lol... keep worry about a pass rush

DIVE RIGHT FELIX JONES

DIVE LEFT LARRY JOHNSON

get this one dimensional thing out of ur head. you guys are too hung up on 2007...
</p>


The CBs are for the 3step drops, I clearly said "the big guys in the middle will swallow up the draws". Not quite sure how that got skewed.</p>


Last year we got thrashed in week 2 by the Cowboys rushing attack, mainly because of DT play. Then later in the year the Cowboys didn't run for ****. The difference? Pierce wasn't on the field the second game. So we downgraded at MLB and played the run better, how is that possible? MLB is NOT that big of a deal. Having a great DL does NOT make you 1dimensional, if anything its the complete opposite. The new DE will continue to help our pass rush and the new DT, coupled with extra healthy bodies coming back will help the run game. The game is won and lost in the trenches, not on the second level.</p>

Defensive Tackles in a 4-3 aren't there to make tackles and stops or be playmakers.. they free it up so the LB could do it...

now ur just on wishful thinking.

We drafted a DE for pass rushing abilities. All i hear out of u and Moorehead is getting to the passer, how is that not being one dimensional...

now we're gonna turn our DTs into Warren Sapp magically too so that they are just making plays them selves...

hell form the way u guys are talking we shouls just eliminate our LBs alltogether, bring in 3 safties and 4 corners on every snap

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:39 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</P>


</P>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</P>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</P>


</P>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</P>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</P>


okay and some people had the bucs taking him if suh and mccoy went 1-2. At 15 he was obviously the best player on our board, and the Titans who were right behind us</P>




i dont thin kthat could be anymore false..

i don't think i saw a single projected mock or draft ranking that had JPP ahead of Morgan
</P>


Mayock had JPP rated higher than Morgan, thats just off the top of my head</P>




Morgan was suppose to go to Jax everywhere i looked
</P>


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817695a5&amp;template=with-video-with-comments&amp;confirm=true</P>


either way nothing you've said provides reasoning as to how JPP being picked 15 was a reach.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:40 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</p>


me and you been saying the same thing matt, and i've been catching flak for it also...
If something changes, which I think could be a possibilty still, than that's awesome....but right now, I still think there's holes. I dont think sacrificing our line depth at a sacrifice for a LB is an option either though.
it's not like our division rivals dont know how we work....Mcnabb is still a QB, Romo is still a QB(with an again improving team) and the eagles still have a good D......we arent showing them anything new either....
I just feel like we dont have any surprises....yet...
we need an added punch to give it to these teams. </p>

just keep in mind, as long as daven disagree with us, we know we're right

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 04:41 PM
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/89191055.jpg?v=1&amp;c=NewsMaker&amp;k=2&amp;d=A7B69CF049AC900 51B1DA6A9721EDB5FCF7960723B624F3035EDC8BB376A1DC2</p>


"Don't you see? If we had just signed Braylon, if we had just drafted Rolando.........</p>


It would all be OK. Help me before I injure myself!".................MMB</p>


</p>

The different? We still addressed the issue at hand by getting Nicks...


in that case reese addressed the mlb through the draft also.................

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:42 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


no we didnt leave a gaping hole cause we DID draft mlbers matt. just not the ones you wanted.

dallas will still throw the ball more as long as wade is coaching. and please, stop with the skins running game already.....STOP lol



drafting somebody in the 4th or later round and expecting them to be anything but a special teamer for u is wishful thinking. Sure its a possibility, but the odds are no in ur favor

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:42 PM
Defensive Tackles in a 4-3 aren't there to make tackles and stops or be playmakers.. they free it up so the LB could do it...

</P>


</P>


Ummm you must be thinking of a 3-4 not a 4-3. Theres a reason theres more lineman in a 43 and thats because they are there to make plays as well, whereas in a 34 lineman are used to swallow up blockers and free up the LBers. You couldn't possibly be any more wrong in this statement.</P>

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 04:43 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


me and you been saying the same thing matt, and i've been catching flak for it also...
If something changes, which I think could be a possibilty still, than that's awesome....but right now, I still think there's holes. I dont think sacrificing our line depth at a sacrifice for a LB is an option either though.
it's not like our division rivals dont know how we work....Mcnabb is still a QB, Romo is still a QB(with an again improving team) and the eagles still have a good D......we arent showing them anything new either....
I just feel like we dont have any surprises....yet...
we need an added punch to give it to these teams. </P>


</P>


agreed 110%. if we had a solid MLB to start this year i would say we had an awesome draft... im just really nervous about a HUGE hole being left in the middle of our defense and we are relying on a 4th rounder or GWilk to fix that hole... granted yes there is Goff and Blackburn but i think these 2 are both SOLID back ups... just not an important starter.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:43 PM
[VG was reached on, just like JPP.

He wasn't suppose to go that high, the reasooning the jets gave was very similiar to what the giants are giving now.
</p>


</p>


lol JPP was by no means a reach at 15, many had him going top 10, and if we didnt take him you can bet anything that the Titans were going to right after us.</p>




depends who u ask... he was as high as 12 and as low as high 20s from what i've seen when i've looked back at mocks
</p>


</p>


So you basically just gave me information that describes him as not being a reach at 15, right after telling me he was a reach at 15, good looks.</p>




well again.. it depends who u ask...

because some would say he was a late first rounder...

so u can take what u want from that..
</p>


okay and some people had the bucs taking him if suh and mccoy went 1-2. At 15 he was obviously the best player on our board, and the Titans who were right behind us</p>




i dont thin kthat could be anymore false..

i don't think i saw a single projected mock or draft ranking that had JPP ahead of Morgan
</p>


Mayock had JPP rated higher than Morgan, thats just off the top of my head</p>




Morgan was suppose to go to Jax everywhere i looked
</p>


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817695a5&amp;template=with-video-with-comments&amp;confirm=true</p>


either way nothing you've said provides reasoning as to how JPP being picked 15 was a reach.</p>

my point is this, if the giants didn't go JPP, then Titans had JPP or Morgan, they would of prolly went Morgan

Then JPP would of prolly went were alot of mocks had him going, late first

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 04:44 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


me and you been saying the same thing matt, and i've been catching flak for it also...
If something changes, which I think could be a possibilty still, than that's awesome....but right now, I still think there's holes. I dont think sacrificing our line depth at a sacrifice for a LB is an option either though.
it's not like our division rivals dont know how we work....Mcnabb is still a QB, Romo is still a QB(with an again improving team) and the eagles still have a good D......we arent showing them anything new either....
I just feel like we dont have any surprises....yet...
we need an added punch to give it to these teams. </P>




just keep in mind, as long as daven disagree with us, we know we're right
</P>


haha..</P>


but..but...</P>


I like Daven!!</P>

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 04:45 PM
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"Don't you see? If we had just signed Braylon, if we had just drafted Rolando.........</P>


It would all be OK. Help me before I injure myself!".................MMB</P>


</P>




The different? We still addressed the issue at hand by getting Nicks...


in that case reese addressed the mlb through the draft also.................
</P>


yeah... in the 4th round?????</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:45 PM
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"Don't you see? If we had just signed Braylon, if we had just drafted Rolando.........</p>


It would all be OK. Help me before I injure myself!".................MMB</p>


</p>

The different? We still addressed the issue at hand by getting Nicks...


in that case reese addressed the mlb through the draft also.................


again... no issue is addressed in the 4th round of ur draft

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:47 PM
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"Don't you see? If we had just signed Braylon, if we had just drafted Rolando.........</P>


It would all be OK. Help me before I injure myself!".................MMB</P>


</P>




The different? We still addressed the issue at hand by getting Nicks...


in that case reese addressed the mlb through the draft also.................


again... no issue is addressed in the 4th round of ur draft
</P>


</P>


mlb isn't an issue.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:47 PM
Defensive Tackles in a 4-3 aren't there to make tackles and stops or be playmakers.. they free it up so the LB could do it...

</p>


</p>


Ummm you must be thinking of a 3-4 not a 4-3. Theres a reason theres more lineman in a 43 and thats because they are there to make plays as well, whereas in a 34 lineman are used to swallow up blockers and free up the LBers. You couldn't possibly be any more wrong in this statement.</p>

DTs period aren't used as playmakers with the very rare studs as exceptions.

So ur saying in a 4-3, the DTs aren't suppose to keep the guards or down blocking tackles off the MLBs ***?

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 04:47 PM
yea i know nobody has the crown yet, but i mean its gotta be goff or wilk. Is Chase still on the team?

And no trust me, im well aware how bad he is, thats why i was flipping preseason last year with WHY ARE WE GOING WITH MJ.

I dont get how u can't care who the center of our defenes is going to be, that is mind bottling (name the movie)
</P>


</P>


Goff or Dillard has a much higher possibility than goff or wilk. </P>


</P>


If Dillard is THAT awesome of aplayer why did he go middle of the 4th round?!?!</P>


</P>


Are you really considering going down the road of justifying how good or bad someone is based on where they were drafted? </P>




no we're not, but in the same sense u talking like a 4th round pick is going to walk in and contriobute right away is kinda CRAA***ZYYYY
</P>


exactly. thats like saying after drafting Barden last year he was replacing plax....</P>


</P>


1. I never said anything about Dillard being the "solution"</P>


2. A 4th round pick contributing to the team isn't far fetched at all.</P>


3. Comparing"contributing to the team" to "replacing Plaxico Burress" is a bit of a hyperbole if you ask me</P>


</P>


</P>


1. you said there was a high possiblity to be the "solution"</P>


2. im not saying contributing is being far fetched but being the solution and high possiblity of a starter being a 4th round pick and not even experiencing 1 nfl practice is crazy to me i dont care if you have a solid college career ornot. if your a walk on starter you beat your *** yourgetting draftedin the first round</P>


3.your saying a 4th rounder will replace the QB of our defense... im usingpurely as ananology... to me it is exactly like saying well Barden is a 6'6' monster and he was drafted 3rd round so that means he should play #1replacing plax.</P>


</P>


</P>


Literally all that was said is that I think Dillard is better than Wilk. How you got all of that is beyond me</P>


</P>


LOL well i think you or lando or mmb is better then GWilk so that isnt saying much... and im not going nuts on you im just trying to understand how several of you seem so comfy with the mlb position the way it is</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:48 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


</P>


good thing we have a stout interior line then</P>




we had that before the draft
</P>


maybe so but now we are even moreso safeguarded and have ample rotation for fresh bodies.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:48 PM
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"Don't you see? If we had just signed Braylon, if we had just drafted Rolando.........</p>


It would all be OK. Help me before I injure myself!".................MMB</p>


</p>




The different? We still addressed the issue at hand by getting Nicks...


in that case reese addressed the mlb through the draft also.................


again... no issue is addressed in the 4th round of ur draft
</p>


</p>


mlb isn't an issue.</p>

denial is an ugly thing

[;)]

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:49 PM
Defensive Tackles in a 4-3 aren't there to make tackles and stops or be playmakers.. they free it up so the LB could do it...

</P>


</P>


Ummm you must be thinking of a 3-4 not a 4-3. Theres a reason theres more lineman in a 43 and thats because they are there to make plays as well, whereas in a 34 lineman are used to swallow up blockers and free up the LBers. You couldn't possibly be any more wrong in this statement.</P>




DTs period aren't used as playmakers with the very rare studs as exceptions.

So ur saying in a 4-3, the DTs aren't suppose to keep the guards or down blocking tackles off the MLBs ***?


</P>


one guy draws the double and the other dt is supposed to win his 1on1, similar to the DEs</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:49 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</p>


</p>


good thing we have a stout interior line then</p>




we had that before the draft
</p>


maybe so but now we are even moreso safeguarded and have ample rotation for fresh bodies.</p>

maybe we should drafted clausen in the second...

great value pick and we could stocked up at QB


and also we had that fresh rotation.. 4 DT, 4 DEs, with Canty able to play DE and Tuck able to play DT

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:52 PM
Defensive Tackles in a 4-3 aren't there to make tackles and stops or be playmakers.. they free it up so the LB could do it...

</p>


</p>


Ummm you must be thinking of a 3-4 not a 4-3. Theres a reason theres more lineman in a 43 and thats because they are there to make plays as well, whereas in a 34 lineman are used to swallow up blockers and free up the LBers. You couldn't possibly be any more wrong in this statement.</p>




DTs period aren't used as playmakers with the very rare studs as exceptions.

So ur saying in a 4-3, the DTs aren't suppose to keep the guards or down blocking tackles off the MLBs ***?


</p>


one guy draws the double and the other dt is supposed to win his 1on1, similar to the DEs</p>

similar to the DEs in a 3-4


now in those 3-4 defenses, are the DEs considered the playmakers?

ibleedblue85
04-26-2010, 04:54 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


</P>


good thing we have a stout interior line then</P>




we had that before the draft
</P>


maybe so but now we are even moreso safeguarded and have ample rotation for fresh bodies.</P>




maybe we should drafted clausen in the second...

great value pick and we could stocked up at QB


and also we had that fresh rotation.. 4 DT, 4 DEs, with Canty able to play DE and Tuck able to play DT
</P>


<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" color=#ff0000>**** that we coulda snagged Colt in the 3rd!!!!!!</FONT></P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:54 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


</P>


good thing we have a stout interior line then</P>




we had that before the draft
</P>


maybe so but now we are even moreso safeguarded and have ample rotation for fresh bodies.</P>




maybe we should drafted clausen in the second...

great value pick and we could stocked up at QB


and also we had that fresh rotation.. 4 DT, 4 DEs, with Canty able to play DE and Tuck able to play DT
</P>


Canty would never play DE unless short yardage and goalline situations. I have no idea why you think he could be put in on regular downs. Tuck is hurt every year and Osi has had his fair share of injuries, Kiwi is in a contract year, our DEs are a huge question mark.</P>


Also, you are obviously being sarcastic with the Clausen pick, but it's quite simple to point out that QB isn't a position you have a rotation at, then Clausen would have been awful value because of Eli's age. If Eli were 33 or so then yea Clausen would have been a great pick up.</P>

lawl
04-26-2010, 04:56 PM
Defensive Tackles in a 4-3 aren't there to make tackles and stops or be playmakers.. they free it up so the LB could do it...

</P>


</P>


Ummm you must be thinking of a 3-4 not a 4-3. Theres a reason theres more lineman in a 43 and thats because they are there to make plays as well, whereas in a 34 lineman are used to swallow up blockers and free up the LBers. You couldn't possibly be any more wrong in this statement.</P>




DTs period aren't used as playmakers with the very rare studs as exceptions.

So ur saying in a 4-3, the DTs aren't suppose to keep the guards or down blocking tackles off the MLBs ***?


</P>


one guy draws the double and the other dt is supposed to win his 1on1, similar to the DEs</P>




similar to the DEs in a 3-4


now in those 3-4 defenses, are the DEs considered the playmakers?
</P>


So one guy is similar to a 3-4 DE and one guy isn't, ok?</P>

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 04:57 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:58 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</p>


</p>


good thing we have a stout interior line then</p>




we had that before the draft
</p>


maybe so but now we are even moreso safeguarded and have ample rotation for fresh bodies.</p>




maybe we should drafted clausen in the second...

great value pick and we could stocked up at QB


and also we had that fresh rotation.. 4 DT, 4 DEs, with Canty able to play DE and Tuck able to play DT
</p>


Canty would never play DE unless short yardage and goalline situations. I have no idea why you think he could be put in on regular downs. Tuck is hurt every year and Osi has had his fair share of injuries, Kiwi is in a contract year, our DEs are a huge question mark.</p>


Also, you are obviously being sarcastic with the Clausen pick, but it's quite simple to point out that QB isn't a position you have a rotation at, then Clausen would have been awful value because of Eli's age. If Eli were 33 or so then yea Clausen would have been a great pick up.</p>

by the simple fact that he HAS done it and the coaches have said he could

Drafting JPP did not reassure anything, just another question mark...

Why not? Warner and Leinhart rotated

haha


have a good one, PEACE

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:59 PM
ps - Eli will play til hes 55

MattMeyerBud
04-26-2010, 04:59 PM
Defensive Tackles in a 4-3 aren't there to make tackles and stops or be playmakers.. they free it up so the LB could do it...

</p>


</p>


Ummm you must be thinking of a 3-4 not a 4-3. Theres a reason theres more lineman in a 43 and thats because they are there to make plays as well, whereas in a 34 lineman are used to swallow up blockers and free up the LBers. You couldn't possibly be any more wrong in this statement.</p>




DTs period aren't used as playmakers with the very rare studs as exceptions.

So ur saying in a 4-3, the DTs aren't suppose to keep the guards or down blocking tackles off the MLBs ***?


</p>


one guy draws the double and the other dt is supposed to win his 1on1, similar to the DEs</p>




similar to the DEs in a 3-4


now in those 3-4 defenses, are the DEs considered the playmakers?
</p>


So one guy is similar to a 3-4 DE and one guy isn't, ok?</p>

what?

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 05:10 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</p>or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 05:16 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


</P>


go jays ;)</P>

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 05:28 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]
or the Yanks losing cuz of their manager [:P]

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 05:28 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


</P>


go jays ;)</P>we will sweep them.. doubled stamped it no erasies..

byron
04-26-2010, 05:30 PM
i dont think reese is done making moves yet......


okay and thats fine and if he fixes this problem i'll totally change my tune. I can't say he did a good job leaving a gaping hole in our defense

everybody can talk about how much the ball is thrown in the nfl but both Dallas and now Washington have a 3 headed monster running the ball...


</P>


me and you been saying the same thing matt, and i've been catching flak for it also...
If something changes, which I think could be a possibilty still, than that's awesome....but right now, I still think there's holes. I dont think sacrificing our line depth at a sacrifice for a LB is an option either though.
it's not like our division rivals dont know how we work....Mcnabb is still a QB, Romo is still a QB(with an again improving team) and the eagles still have a good D......we arent showing them anything new either....
I just feel like we dont have any surprises....yet...
we need an added punch to give it to these teams. </P>


</P>


agreed 110%. if we had a solid MLB to start this year i would say we had an awesome draft... im just really nervous about a HUGE hole being left in the middle of our defense and we are relying on a 4th rounder or GWilk to fix that hole... granted yes there is Goff and Blackburn but i think these 2 are both SOLID back ups... just not an important starter.</P> Well the miracle from everglades is goingfix that too he will be calling all the aliments while back flipping from side to side they wouldn't know where he's coming from or what hit them... look we need someone in the middle who can call the plays without confusion and do his job...who is it? did we get better sure we did... does what they done get us back to the playoffs this year? Idk...they do poorly this yearwhats going to happen next... new coach?Bottom line for me is win now while our core is good ... while Eliand others are in their prime...I don't want to wait for ten years to get another SB...selfish? sure... all I can say I hopethey done the right stuff if they haven't next offseason going to be unbearable....Like I have said before its going to wins to convince me that we are ok...Go Giants

dezzzR
04-26-2010, 05:42 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</p>or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]
or the Yanks losing cuz of their manager [:P]when yesterday? no that was on "vazgina"

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 05:42 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


</P>


go jays ;)</P>


we will sweep them.. doubled stamped it no erasies..</P>


haha good luck man! hope ya do!</P>

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 05:44 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]
or the Yanks losing cuz of their manager [:P]when yesterday? no that was on "vazgina"
</P>


i think he was referencing the poor planning to the Morales/Rivera should we walk should we not call...</P>


yea i dont know what was up with that...but it ruined any shot we had at winning at that point.</P>


Angels always have our number, man. we beat em when it counts, but I think they have a better record against us the past decade than boston does....</P>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 05:46 PM
Whats good everyone???

Have the 'sky is falling' bunch passed on yet???? Im by no means HUGE on JPP but Ive read some INSANE statements on the MBs the past few days

....WTF, Morrison moved and we just sat there with our juevos in our hands when we coulda gone after D'Qwell Jackson!!!!! Im in NO WAY as pleased as I was last year, then again I was driving the Beatty Bandwagon last yr

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 05:58 PM
Whats good everyone???

Have the 'sky is falling' bunch passed on yet???? Im by no means HUGE on JPP but Ive read some INSANE statements on the MBs the past few days

....WTF, Morrison moved and we just sat there with our juevos in our hands when we coulda gone after D'Qwell Jackson!!!!! Im in NO WAY as pleased as I was last year, then again I was driving the Beatty Bandwagon last yr
</P>


yea its still around...</P>


last year I thought our team still had something special....so i liked our draft...
And I still like THE PLAYERS we drafted this week, but...that doesnt mean it's enough to hold down the fort. I thinkm i'm beating a dead horse...but...I LIKE Jpp....but who knows if we have the peices yet.</P>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 06:01 PM
Whats good everyone???

Have the 'sky is falling' bunch passed on yet???? Im by no means HUGE on JPP but Ive read some INSANE statements on the MBs the past few days

....WTF, Morrison moved and we just sat there with our juevos in our hands when we coulda gone after D'Qwell Jackson!!!!! Im in NO WAY as pleased as I was last year, then again I was driving the Beatty Bandwagon last yr
</p>


yea its still around...</p>


last year I thought our team still had something special....so i liked our draft...
And I still like THE PLAYERS we drafted this week, but...that doesnt mean it's enough to hold down the fort. I thinkm i'm beating a dead horse...but...I LIKE Jpp....but who knows if we have the peices yet.</p>I mean JP2 has OVERWHELMING talent and potential but I feel that an O-Line look in the 1st would have been a better idea (just like we shoulda taken a shot on Bruce Campbell in the middle of the draft). As long as we dont ship off one of our DE's you can consider me a fan of the pick, but if the trade talks get a lil more serious my feelings may quickly change

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 06:03 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]
or the Yanks losing cuz of their manager [:P]when yesterday? no that was on "vazgina"
</P>


i think he was referencing the poor planning to the Morales/Rivera should we walk should we not call...</P>


yea i dont know what was up with that...but it ruined any shot we had at winning at that point.</P>


Angels always have our number, man. we beat em when it counts, but I think they have a better record against us the past decade than boston does....</P>saw the highlights they shoulda walked him

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 06:05 PM
All I gotta say is ......................

<font size="6">D-QWELL, D-QWELL, D-QWELL, D-QWELL!!!!!!!

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<table class="datatablecell" width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="datatabledatahead"><td style="text-align: center;" colspan="3">Tackles</td>
<td colspan="2">
</td>
<td style="text-align: center;" colspan="6">Interceptions</td>
</tr>



<tr class="datatabledatahead">
<td width="20px">Year</td>
<td width="140px">Team</td>

<td>G</td>

<td>Comb</td>

<td>Total</td>

<td>Ast</td>

<td>Sck</td>

<td>SFTY</td>

<td>PDef</td>

<td>Int</td>

<td>TDs</td>

<td>Yds</td>

<td>Avg</td>

<td>Lng</td>

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<tr class="ltblueback">


<td>2009</td>
<td>

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE">Cleveland
Browns</a>


</td>

<td>6</td>

<td>59</td>

<td>46</td>

<td>13</td>

<td>0.0</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>2</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>0.0</td>

<td>--</td>


</tr><tr>




</tr><tr class="whiteback">



<td>2008</td>
<td>

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE">Cleveland
Browns</a>


</td>

<td>16</td>

<td>154</td>

<td>95</td>

<td>59</td>

<td>2.0</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>6</td>

<td>3</td>

<td>0</td>

<td>29</td>

<td>9.7</td>

<td>16</td>


</tr><tr>





</tr><tr class="ltblueback">


<td>2007</td>
<td>

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE">Cleveland
Browns</a>


</td>

<td>14</td>

<td>101</td>

<td>75</td>

<td>26</td>

<td>1.0</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>3</td>

<td>1</td>

<td>0</td>

<td>1</td>

<td>1.0</td>

<td>1</td>


</tr><tr>




</tr><tr class="whiteback">



<td>2006</td>
<td>

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE">Cleveland
Browns</a>


</td>

<td>13</td>

<td>93</td>

<td>60</td>

<td>33</td>

<td>0.0</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>0</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>0.0</td>

<td>--</td>


</tr><tr>


</tr><tr class="datatabledatahead">
<td colspan="2">TOTAL</td>

<td>49</td>

<td>407</td>

<td>276</td>

<td>131</td>

<td>3.0</td>

<td>0</td>

<td>11</td>

<td>4</td>

<td>0</td>

<td>30</td>

<td>--</td>

<td>16</td></tr></tbody></table>

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:06 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]
or the Yanks losing cuz of their manager [:P]when yesterday? no that was on "vazgina"
</P>


i think he was referencing the poor planning to the Morales/Rivera should we walk should we not call...</P>


yea i dont know what was up with that...but it ruined any shot we had at winning at that point.</P>


Angels always have our number, man. we beat em when it counts, but I think they have a better record against us the past decade than boston does....</P>


saw the highlights they shoulda walked him</P>


you know whats funny....
if you are DEBATING WALKING a guy...like "hey this guy will PROBABLY rock the next pitch out of here...." and totally make it hard to bounce back a win..
THEN JUST DO IT!....nice hunch Girardi...lol</P>

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:08 PM
Whats good everyone???

Have the 'sky is falling' bunch passed on yet???? Im by no means HUGE on JPP but Ive read some INSANE statements on the MBs the past few days

....WTF, Morrison moved and we just sat there with our juevos in our hands when we coulda gone after D'Qwell Jackson!!!!! Im in NO WAY as pleased as I was last year, then again I was driving the Beatty Bandwagon last yr
</P>


yea its still around...</P>


last year I thought our team still had something special....so i liked our draft...
And I still like THE PLAYERS we drafted this week, but...that doesnt mean it's enough to hold down the fort. I thinkm i'm beating a dead horse...but...I LIKE Jpp....but who knows if we have the peices yet.</P>


I mean JP2 has OVERWHELMING talent and potential but I feel that an O-Line look in the 1st would have been a better idea (just like we shoulda taken a shot on Bruce Campbell in the middle of the draft). As long as we dont ship off one of our DE's you can consider me a fan of the pick, but if the trade talks get a lil more serious my feelings may quickly change
</P>


me and you share identical sentiments. I was not really high on the OL pick in the first, but anything woulda made me comfortable I suppose....it was our lack of action in and during the draft that made me weary. I hope they dont trade anyone on the DL....it would really kill us to rely heavily on JPP so early on.</P>

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 06:14 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]
or the Yanks losing cuz of their manager [:P]when yesterday? no that was on "vazgina"
</P>


i think he was referencing the poor planning to the Morales/Rivera should we walk should we not call...</P>


yea i dont know what was up with that...but it ruined any shot we had at winning at that point.</P>


Angels always have our number, man. we beat em when it counts, but I think they have a better record against us the past decade than boston does....</P>


saw the highlights they shoulda walked him</P>


you know whats funny....
if you are DEBATING WALKING a guy...like "hey this guy will PROBABLY rock the next pitch out of here...." and totally make it hard to bounce back a win..
THEN JUST DO IT!....nice hunch Girardi...lol</P>especially with the count at 3-0 ( i think it was)

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:21 PM
so can we talk about the Jays beating the Sox now.. lol</P>


or them falling to the O's yesterday....[:)]
or the Yanks losing cuz of their manager [:P]when yesterday? no that was on "vazgina"
</P>


i think he was referencing the poor planning to the Morales/Rivera should we walk should we not call...</P>


yea i dont know what was up with that...but it ruined any shot we had at winning at that point.</P>


Angels always have our number, man. we beat em when it counts, but I think they have a better record against us the past decade than boston does....</P>


saw the highlights they shoulda walked him</P>


you know whats funny....
if you are DEBATING WALKING a guy...like "hey this guy will PROBABLY rock the next pitch out of here...." and totally make it hard to bounce back a win..
THEN JUST DO IT!....nice hunch Girardi...lol</P>


especially with the count at 3-0 ( i think it was)</P>


lol well i dont remember the count AT THAT moment...but, the first pitch was clearly an intentional walk call from Cervelli....why back out after you just CALLED from a walk...?</P>

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 06:23 PM
kase is Dqwell available for trade?

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 06:24 PM
the Yanks suck JP, thats all i can attribute it to [;)]

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:26 PM
the Yanks suck JP, thats all i can attribute it to [;)]</P>


oh right! the jays havent been relevant in 18 years! lolololololol =]</P>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 06:26 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:32 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse
</P>


LMAO yea ive seen them before! awesomeeeee</P>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 06:33 PM
kase is Dqwell available for trade?Well he's an RFA tendered at a 2nd round pick so Id say we can work a deal out for him.... Hell maybe we can even trim some fat in the process and get rid of MJ, Moss, Hixon, etc. I think itll be a lil tougher now that Holmgren went D in the draft possibly attempting to build a team around DQ, Shaun Rogers, and Eric Wright, but who knows its worth a shot

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 06:34 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse
</p>


LMAO yea ive seen them before! awesomeeeee</p>Yea those vids are HYSTERICAL!!!!

....Dont you reside in one of those Upstate Cities???? LOL

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 06:37 PM
the Yanks suck JP, thats all i can attribute it to [;)]</P>


oh right! the jays havent been relevant in 18 years! lolololololol =]</P>uhh thats 17 years.. so there

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 06:42 PM
kase is Dqwell available for trade?Well he's an RFA tendered at a 2nd round pick so Id say we can work a deal out for him.... Hell maybe we can even trim some fat in the process and get rid of MJ, Moss, Hixon, etc. I think itll be a lil tougher now that Holmgren went D in the draft possibly attempting to build a team around DQ, Shaun Rogers, and Eric Wright, but who knows its worth a shot
Holmgren probably won't let him go.. but you are right its probably worth a shot..

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:44 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse
</P>


LMAO yea ive seen them before! awesomeeeee</P>


Yea those vids are HYSTERICAL!!!!

....Dont you reside in one of those Upstate Cities???? LOL
</P>


lol uhhh if by upstate you mean southern dutchess county....well even so...NO...
I'm like 40 mins from Manhattan lol</P>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 06:48 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse
</p>


LMAO yea ive seen them before! awesomeeeee</p>


Yea those vids are HYSTERICAL!!!!

....Dont you reside in one of those Upstate Cities???? LOL
</p>


lol uhhh if by upstate you mean southern dutchess county....well even so...NO...
I'm like 40 mins from Manhattan lol</p>Ahh yes, Poughkeepsie right??? Dont you guys even have a Metro-North stop as well???

I consider anything north of The Bronx 'Upstate' even Yonkers, LOL its actually funny. EVERYONE from The City and LI feel that way even though parts of Westchester and Rockland Counties are just like LI and even spots in Queens..... Im not familiar with Dutchess County though, thats the Westchester side of the Hudson, right??

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:49 PM
lol you just reminded me though...how if youre not from NYC/the Bouroughs, or Yonkers.....youre "upstate" lol....who says that!?!? What are you, a Californian? Are you from the Bread Basket?? lol

and then there's always this gem:</P>


"where are you from?"
"New York"
"ooh how do you like the City?"</P>


</P>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 06:52 PM
lol you just reminded me though...how if youre not from NYC/the Bouroughs, or Yonkers.....youre "upstate" lol....who says that!?!? What are you, a Californian? Are you from the Bread Basket?? lol

and then there's always this gem:</p>


"where are you from?"
"New York"
"ooh how do you like the City?"</p>


</p>Anyone from NY doesnt call it 'New York' its 'The City' and anyone from the 5 Boro's unless theyre from Manhattan isnt from 'The City' theyre from their own particular Boro..... Its actually funny

Us NYers are a funny bunch.....

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 06:58 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse
</P>


LMAO yea ive seen them before! awesomeeeee</P>


Yea those vids are HYSTERICAL!!!!

....Dont you reside in one of those Upstate Cities???? LOL
</P>


lol uhhh if by upstate you mean southern dutchess county....well even so...NO...
I'm like 40 mins from Manhattan lol</P>


Ahh yes, Poughkeepsie right??? Dont you guys even have a Metro-North stop as well???

I consider anything north of The Bronx 'Upstate' even Yonkers, LOL its actually funny. EVERYONE from The City and LI feel that way even though parts of Westchester and Rockland Counties are just like LI and even spots in Queens..... Im not familiar with Dutchess County though, thats the Westchester side of the Hudson, right??
</P>


Yea we are the last stop on MTA. But we get our own express to Yankee games [;)]
I'm from Yonkers originally, but when I was younger, my family moved me twice. Once to Peekskill and once to Poughkeepsie. So Poughkeepsie is really what I call home.
My dad worked accross the river for a huge healthcare product shipping industry Baxter Healthaka Allegiance Health now known as Cardinal Health I believe....and moved us closer to that cuz he hated commuting since he WAS a truck driver lmao...
But yes, we are the Westchester side of the Hudson, the other side is NO MAN'S LAND....everyone from our side, hates the other side....Orange county sucks! lol

Which is why everyone in Poughkeepsie hates Snooki lmao....that trainwreck aint from here lol</P>

JPizzack
04-26-2010, 07:01 PM
lol you just reminded me though...how if youre not from NYC/the Bouroughs, or Yonkers.....youre "upstate" lol....who says that!?!? What are you, a Californian? Are you from the Bread Basket?? lol

and then there's always this gem:</P>


"where are you from?"
"New York"
"ooh how do you like the City?"</P>


</P>


Anyone from NY doesnt call it 'New York' its 'The City' and anyone from the 5 Boro's unless theyre from Manhattan isnt from 'The City' theyre from their own particular Boro..... Its actually funny

Us NYers are a funny bunch.....
</P>


yea its true....it's odd...but when youre from NY, it's easy to understand lol. I at least get a sliver of respect for the most partfrom being from Yonkers....lmao</P>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 07:01 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse
</p>


LMAO yea ive seen them before! awesomeeeee</p>


Yea those vids are HYSTERICAL!!!!

....Dont you reside in one of those Upstate Cities???? LOL
</p>


lol uhhh if by upstate you mean southern dutchess county....well even so...NO...
I'm like 40 mins from Manhattan lol</p>


Ahh yes, Poughkeepsie right??? Dont you guys even have a Metro-North stop as well???

I consider anything north of The Bronx 'Upstate' even Yonkers, LOL its actually funny. EVERYONE from The City and LI feel that way even though parts of Westchester and Rockland Counties are just like LI and even spots in Queens..... Im not familiar with Dutchess County though, thats the Westchester side of the Hudson, right??
</p>


Yea we are the last stop on MTA. But we get our own express to Yankee games [;)]
I'm from Yonkers originally, but when I was younger, my family moved me twice. Once to Peekskill and once to Poughkeepsie. So Poughkeepsie is really what I call home.
My dad worked accross the river for a huge healthcare product shipping industry Baxter Healthaka Allegiance Health now known as Cardinal Health I believe....and moved us closer to that cuz he hated commuting since he WAS a truck driver lmao...
But yes, we are the Westchester side of the Hudson, the other side is NO MAN'S LAND....everyone from our side, hates the other side....Orange county sucks! lol

Which is why everyone in Poughkeepsie hates Snooki lmao....that trainwreck aint from here lol</p>LOL I have some fam up in Orange County and that def is No Man's Land, there are more Farm Animals than people, LOL

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 07:03 PM
lol you just reminded me though...how if youre not from NYC/the Bouroughs, or Yonkers.....youre "upstate" lol....who says that!?!? What are you, a Californian? Are you from the Bread Basket?? lol

and then there's always this gem:</p>


"where are you from?"
"New York"
"ooh how do you like the City?"</p>


</p>


Anyone from NY doesnt call it 'New York' its 'The City' and anyone from the 5 Boro's unless theyre from Manhattan isnt from 'The City' theyre from their own particular Boro..... Its actually funny

Us NYers are a funny bunch.....
</p>


yea its true....it's odd...but when youre from NY, it's easy to understand lol. I at least get a sliver of respect for the most partfrom being from Yonkers....lmao</p>Dont worry we still consider Poughkeepsie 'civlization' unlike the other side of the Hudson like Orange County

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 07:12 PM
The Yankees have the highest payroll in baseball, in absolute numbers. Everyone knows this. This has been the case for the last 10 years (http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/09teamsalaries.htm) at least.


But here’s an odd fact: take the top 8 revenue-earning teams in baseball (Yanks, Red Sox, Cubs, Phils, Mets, Tigers, White Sox and Angels). Make a guess: which of these 8 teams spends the lowest percentage of revenues on player payroll?</p>


The lowest payroll among the top 8 revenue teams, measured in terms of percentage of total team revenues, belongs to the Yankees.</p>


The biggest payroll in baseball, in terms of percentage of team
revenues, belongs to the Detroit Tigers. In second place: The Boston
Red Sox.</p>


(click “view full post” to read more)</p>







Here are the facts and figures (payroll numbers are as reported in the Biz of Baseball (http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4299: inside-the-numbers-2010-mlb-opening-day-payrolls&amp;catid=26:editorials&amp;Itemid=39), revenues are from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/33/baseball-valuations-10_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Revenue.html)):</p>


http://itsabout.server304.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/payroll.jpg (http://itsabout.server304.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/payroll.jpg)</p>


The average payroll in baseball equals 46.4% of average team revenues. So in this sense, the Yankees have an average payroll.</p>


Aren’t statistics fun?</p>


Yes, I understand: the Yankees do not have a small
payroll. The truth is, the Yankees have huge revenues. If the
Yankees spent revenue on payroll at the same percentage as the Tigers,
the Yankees could add another $80 million in player salaries! They could add Ryan Howard, John Lackey, Matt Holliday and Roy Halladay (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries/top50?tag=pageRow;pageContainer), with money left over.</p>


Scary. The Yankees are actually showing salary restraint?
</p>

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 07:13 PM
<div class="post-excerpt">

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/04/26/alg_vazquez_reacts.jpg (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/04/26/small-sample-size-or-time-to-panic/null)</p>


Javy Vazquez has made four starts for the Yanks this 2010 season and
is the not-so-proud owner of a 1-3 record with a nifty 9.00 ERA (44
ERA+) after yesterday’s latest stinkfest (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/04/25/game-18-yankees-4-angels-8/). So is Javy this bad or is it just a small sample size to start the season? </p>


First, the data:</p>
<div class="sr_share_wrap">
<table class="sr_share" style="border-width: 1px; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 0.83em;">
<thead>
<tr>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="left">Year</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">Tm</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">ERA</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">G</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">IP</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">H</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">R</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">ER</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">HR</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">BB</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">SO</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">ERA+</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">WHIP</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">H/9</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">HR/9</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">BB/9</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">SO/9</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">SO/BB</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2005</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">ARI (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/ARI/2005.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">4.42</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">33</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">215.2</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">223</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">112</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">106</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">35</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">46</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">192</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">101</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.247</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">9.3</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.5</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.9</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">8.0</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">4.17</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2006</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">CHW (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/CHW/2006.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">4.84</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">33</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">202.2</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">206</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">116</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">109</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">23</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">56</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">184</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">98</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.293</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">9.1</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.0</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">2.5</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">8.2</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">3.29</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2007</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">CHW (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/CHW/2007.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">3.74</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">32</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">216.2</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">197</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">95</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">90</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">29</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">50</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">213</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">126</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.140</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">8.2</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.2</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">2.1</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">8.8</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">4.26</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2008</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">CHW (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/CHW/2008.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">4.67</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">33</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">208.1</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">214</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">113</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">108</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">25</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">61</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">200</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">98</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.320</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">9.2</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.1</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">2.6</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">8.6</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">3.28</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2009</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">ATL (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/ATL/2009.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">2.87</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">32</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">219.1</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">181</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">75</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">70</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">20</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">44</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">238</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">143</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.026</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">7.4</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">0.8</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.8</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">9.8</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">5.41</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2010</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">NYY (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/NYY/2010.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">9.00</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">4</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">20.0</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">25</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">20</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">20</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">5</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">11</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">18</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">44</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.800</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">11.3</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">2.3</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">5.0</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">8.1</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">1.64</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
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<thead>
<tr>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="left">Year</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">Tm</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">BA</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">OBP</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">SLG</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">OPS</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">BAbip</th>
<th style="border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); padding: 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);" align="center">TB</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2005</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">ARI (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/ARI/2005.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.266</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.308</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.456</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.764</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.307</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">382</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2006</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">CHW (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/CHW/2006.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.259</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.318</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.409</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.727</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.309</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">325</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2007</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">CHW (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/CHW/2007.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.242</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.290</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.411</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.700</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.291</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">334</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2008</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">CHW (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/CHW/2008.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.263</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.317</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.438</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.755</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.318</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">357</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2009</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">ATL (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/ATL/2009.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.223</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.266</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.346</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.612</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.290</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">281</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">2010</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="left">NYY (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/teams/NYY/2010.shtml)</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.309</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.398</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.580</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.978</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">.345</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; white-space: nowrap;" align="right">47</td>
</tr>
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<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); white-space: nowrap; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold;" colspan="2" align="left">13 Seasons</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); white-space: nowrap; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold;" align="right">.256</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); white-space: nowrap; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold;" align="right">.308</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); white-space: nowrap; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold;" align="right">.421</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); white-space: nowrap; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold;" align="right">.729</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); white-space: nowrap; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold;" align="right">.302</td>
<td style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 2px 3px 2px 2px; background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); white-space: nowrap; font-size: 0.9em; font-weight: bold;" align="right">4069</td>
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</table>
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<div class="post-content">


So what jumps out at you? Is it the:</p>
<ul> Jump in HR allowed (to 2.3 per 9IP, up from 0.8 last year) Jump in BB allowed (to 5.0 per 9IP, up from 1.8 last year) Jump in Hits allowed (to 11.3 per 9IP, up from 7.4 last year) Fall in K/BB ratio (to 1.64, down from 5.41 last year) The “slash line” of .309 / .398 / .580; essentially turning <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">E</span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">VERY HITTER INTO AN ALL STAR</span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> </span>(compared to the “slash line” of .223 / .266 / .346 in 2009, when he finished 4th in the Cy Young voting in the NL)[/list]


Or does his .345 BABIP (compared to the average of his prior five
years of ~.303 BABIP) mean the most? Is it bad luck that’s dooming
Javy, or is he simply “unable” to handle the stress of pitching in NY,
or rather, FOR the Yankees?</p>


Me, I’m not ready to bail on Javy just yet. I remember when the
Yanks traded for him before 2004 and telling my father how excited I
was, that we got a young guy in his prime who will be a horse for this
team… and then I had to gag down my claims after the playoff series
that NEVER HAPPENED. We got Javy back this year (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2009/12/22/yanks_reacquire_javy_vazquez-2/)
and I was excited. I wasn’t going to harp on 2004 since he was hurt
the second half of the season, after making the All Star team…
something that many fans conveniently forget. However, he’s not done
much to endear himself to the Yanks fans and their Bronx Cheers (http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/04/15/on-booing-javy/).</p>


Has pitching for the Yanks gotten into his head and destroyed his
psyche and confidence? I sure hope not. With CC, Pettitte and the
rest around him, I am sure they will do their best to help rally Javy.
I hope (but sincerely doubt) the fans would try to do the same.</p>


So what do you think? Is Javy Vazquez simply ill-equiped to pitch
for the Yanks or are we all just suffering a small sample size to start
2010?</p>

</div>

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 07:26 PM
The Yankees have the highest payroll in baseball, in absolute numbers. Everyone knows this. This has been the case for the last 10 years (http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/09teamsalaries.htm) at least.


But here’s an odd fact: take the top 8 revenue-earning teams in baseball (Yanks, Red Sox, Cubs, Phils, Mets, Tigers, White Sox and Angels). Make a guess: which of these 8 teams spends the lowest percentage of revenues on player payroll?</P>


The lowest payroll among the top 8 revenue teams, measured in terms of percentage of total team revenues, belongs to the Yankees.</P>


The biggest payroll in baseball, in terms of percentage of team revenues, belongs to the Detroit Tigers. In second place: The Boston Red Sox.</P>


(click “view full post” to read more)</P>


Here are the facts and figures (payroll numbers are as reported in the Biz of Baseball (http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4299: inside-the-numbers-2010-mlb-opening-day-payrolls&amp;catid=26:editorials&amp;Itemid=39), revenues are from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/33/baseball-valuations-10_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Revenue.html)):</P>


http://itsabout.server304.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/payroll.jpg (http://itsabout.server304.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/payroll.jpg)</P>


The average payroll in baseball equals 46.4% of average team revenues. So in this sense, the Yankees have an average payroll.</P>


Aren’t statistics fun?</P>


Yes, I understand: the Yankees do not have a small payroll. The truth is, the Yankees have huge revenues. If the Yankees spent revenue on payroll at the same percentage as the Tigers, the Yankees could add another $80 million in player salaries! They could add Ryan Howard, John Lackey, Matt Holliday and Roy Halladay (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries/top50?tag=pageRow;pageContainer), with money left over.</P>


Scary. The Yankees are actually showing salary restraint?
</P>


my opinion, and this is just from a humble Canucklehead.. **** the Yanks, and the Sox too[;)]</P>


this is all the Yankees fault.. they make poor teams spend more of their hard earned money to try and keep up.. look at the poor Tigers 65 percent and they are still 80 mil short.. </P>

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 07:31 PM
PETER KING
</p>

• New York Giants (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/teams/giants.html). Great story by Ralph Vacchiano in Sunday's New York Daily News about the desire of top pick Jason Pierre-Paul,
echoing the drive I've heard he has. He is quick and a great athlete.
Question: How did he only get six sacks in 2010? Another question:
Worried about the fact he's played only one year of college football at
a high level after being at two JCs? </p>

The pick I like: middle linebacker Phillip Dillard. When they lost the chance to take Rolando McClain
at 15, the Giants had to scan down their board for a plugger type of
linebacker. Dillard's no athlete, but he's a tackling fool. He'll
contend to play first and second downs early.</p><div id="TixyyLink" style="border: medium none ; overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none;">
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bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 07:32 PM
<h1 class="cnnTitle"><span id="cvpTitle">LT's draft memory: 41 beers</span> (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/nfl/2010/04/23/042210_lt_coorslight_beers_nfldraft.SportsIllustra ted/index.html)</h1>

Kase-1
04-26-2010, 07:35 PM
The Yankees have the highest payroll in baseball, in absolute numbers. Everyone knows this. This has been the case for the last 10 years (http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/09teamsalaries.htm) at least.


But here’s an odd fact: take the top 8 revenue-earning teams in baseball (Yanks, Red Sox, Cubs, Phils, Mets, Tigers, White Sox and Angels). Make a guess: which of these 8 teams spends the lowest percentage of revenues on player payroll?</p>


The lowest payroll among the top 8 revenue teams, measured in terms of percentage of total team revenues, belongs to the Yankees.</p>


The biggest payroll in baseball, in terms of percentage of team revenues, belongs to the Detroit Tigers. In second place: The Boston Red Sox.</p>


(click “view full post” to read more)</p>


Here are the facts and figures (payroll numbers are as reported in the Biz of Baseball (http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4299: inside-the-numbers-2010-mlb-opening-day-payrolls&amp;catid=26:editorials&amp;Itemid=39), revenues are from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/33/baseball-valuations-10_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Revenue.html)):</p>


http://itsabout.server304.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/payroll.jpg (http://itsabout.server304.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/payroll.jpg)</p>


The average payroll in baseball equals 46.4% of average team revenues. So in this sense, the Yankees have an average payroll.</p>


Aren’t statistics fun?</p>


Yes, I understand: the Yankees do not have a small payroll. The truth is, the Yankees have huge revenues. If the Yankees spent revenue on payroll at the same percentage as the Tigers, the Yankees could add another $80 million in player salaries! They could add Ryan Howard, John Lackey, Matt Holliday and Roy Halladay (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries/top50?tag=pageRow;pageContainer), with money left over.</p>


Scary. The Yankees are actually showing salary restraint?
</p>


my opinion, and this is just from a humble Canucklehead.. **** the Yanks, and the Sox too[;)]</p>


this is all the Yankees fault.. they make poor teams spend more of their hard earned money to try and keep up.. look at the poor Tigers 65 percent and they are still 80 mil short.. </p>Maybe because people in NY give a crap about The Yanks and they're known world-wide. If people in Michigan and 'Tha D' (and that part of Canada near Detroit) actually cared about the Tigers then it'd be a different story

LMAO, Canucklehead... My new fav term for Canadiens

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 07:46 PM
i thought iwas stealinCanucklehead from you Kase? was on a website today, they were selling houses in Detroit for $90.. just so you know a 90 dollar home (interest included) on a 5 year mortgage is 41 cents a month.. it was pretty bad actually nice homes all boarded up.

Hell_Rell
04-26-2010, 08:09 PM
LOL, so you guys hear of the Cleveland Tourism Video Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY) and Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&amp;feature=related)

"Dont stop in East Cleveland or you'll die
Our whole economy is based on LeBron James
Buy a house for the price of a VCR
Our main export is CRIPPLING depression"

OUCH!!!!! If thats Cleveland, I can only imagine how rough it is for our Upstate cities like Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse
</p>


LMAO yea ive seen them before! awesomeeeee</p>


Yea those vids are HYSTERICAL!!!!

....Dont you reside in one of those Upstate Cities???? LOL
</p>


lol uhhh if by upstate you mean southern dutchess county....well even so...NO...
I'm like 40 mins from Manhattan lol</p>Isn't it weird that you live right by me, and you're friends with a guy who is dating my ex-gf's best friend?

Hell_Rell
04-26-2010, 08:09 PM
Also, http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1594/deadpoolv.jpg

Bleedin Blue Since '62
04-26-2010, 08:24 PM
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu310/jpalumbo77/BIGSCARLET.jpg

Bleedin Blue Since '62
04-26-2010, 08:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssAd4KGypqI

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 09:41 PM
Thought you guys would like this...


Well, after waiting 26 years for my shot at tickets I'm finally in! Here's some pics from my visit.

This
one I thought was a most worthy opener having found this very close to
my seats! Tears came to my eyes the moment I saw it!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7905/dsc02505y.jpg


Wide
concourses and high-def screens abound. With that said the stadium is
much more open then Giants Stadium and windy as hell.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2518/dsc02490u.jpg


Upper
corners of the mezzanine views are obstructed due to the video boards.
I'm assuming these seats are amongst those being removed.


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2875/dsc02497t.jpg


The columns! Old Yankee Stadium anyone?

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1848/dsc02496gl.jpg


The bowl is very close to the playing field. It looked like about 12 feet from the corner of the end zone to the wall.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7664/dsc02510b.jpg


Tearing her down.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/765/dsc02508ze.jpg


Cheers.

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 11:15 PM
quite the game between Sox and Jays... freakin take FOREVER though. oh and Beckett sucks!! so does Papsmearbon

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 11:31 PM
"We'll dominate our division, off of bringing
Donovan McNabb (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&amp;id=704) in here, a guy who's dominated the division in the past," DeAngelo Hall said.
"So that's just an educated guess. That's an educated guess, and I stand
behind. I'll stand behind that. I'll fight and claw to try to make that
happen."

ny06
04-26-2010, 11:34 PM
"We'll dominate our division, off of bringing
Donovan McNabb (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=704) in here, a guy who's dominated the division in the past," DeAngelo Hall said.*
"So that's just an educated guess. That's an educated guess, and I stand
behind. I'll stand behind that. I'll fight and claw to try to make that
happen."




another reason to dislike Hall

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 11:40 PM
http://www.nationalsportsbeat.com/images/logos/nhl/Montreal_Canadiens.jpg

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 11:41 PM
"We'll dominate our division, off of bringing
Donovan McNabb (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&amp;id=704) in here, a guy who's dominated the division in the past," DeAngelo Hall said.
"So that's just an educated guess. That's an educated guess, and I stand
behind. I'll stand behind that. I'll fight and claw to try to make that
happen."




another reason to dislike Hall
As if we didn't already have 10. lol

bandwgn86
04-26-2010, 11:42 PM
http://www.nationalsportsbeat.com/images/logos/nhl/Montreal_Canadiens.jpgthey are given Ovenchickens team a run for there money..

bigblue4417
04-26-2010, 11:43 PM
Good to see ShockandAwe and Bandy were able to meet up at a nice place for some maple syrup

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/madmaxke/fat_***.jpg

Goodnight gents...

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 08:37 AM
morning bayitches!</P>


Jack Bauer better kill like half of NY in the final few episodes of 24.....so far he's only killed like...10 people....UNACCPETABLE!!!!
As soon as this season is over, i'm rewatching season 2 and 3! lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-27-2010, 09:07 AM
PETER KING
</p>

• New York Giants (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/teams/giants.html). Great story by Ralph Vacchiano in Sunday's New York Daily News about the desire of top pick Jason Pierre-Paul,
echoing the drive I've heard he has. He is quick and a great athlete.
Question: How did he only get six sacks in 2010? Another question:
Worried about the fact he's played only one year of college football at
a high level after being at two JCs? </p>

The pick I like: middle linebacker Phillip Dillard. When they lost the chance to take Rolando McClain
at 15, the Giants had to scan down their board for a plugger type of
linebacker. Dillard's no athlete, but he's a tackling fool. He'll
contend to play first and second downs early.</p><div id="TixyyLink" style="border: medium none ; overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none;">
</div>

its okay tho, Lawl said the half games he played in Juco count lol

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 09:12 AM
PETER KING
</P>


• New York Giants (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/teams/giants.html). Great story by Ralph Vacchiano in Sunday's New York Daily News about the desire of top pick Jason Pierre-Paul, echoing the drive I've heard he has. He is quick and a great athlete. Question: How did he only get six sacks in 2010? Another question: Worried about the fact he's played only one year of college football at a high level after being at two JCs? </P>


The pick I like: middle linebacker Phillip Dillard. When they lost the chance to take Rolando McClain at 15, the Giants had to scan down their board for a plugger type of linebacker. Dillard's no athlete, but he's a tackling fool. He'll contend to play first and second downs early.</P>
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its okay tho, Lawl said the half games he played in Juco count lol
</P>


"he's no athlete"</P>


yea who wants those stupid athletes to play professional sports?! NOT THIS GUY!!</P>

Roosevelt
04-27-2010, 09:20 AM
Hey ya *******s. So, ya'll hang here and leave the TAGF board to the crazies? Nice!

ny06
04-27-2010, 09:41 AM
Sign this guy Reese

http://i42.tinypic.com/n188bd.jpg

DavenIII
04-27-2010, 09:41 AM
Morning.

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 09:57 AM
Hey ya *******s. So, ya'll hang here and leave the TAGF board to the crazies? Nice!
</P>


...yea basically lol</P>


i skim that forum to get real info from article links etc.., but the opinion posts kinda drive me nuts, so I hang in THEE Thread.</P>

patsrule666
04-27-2010, 10:00 AM
Hey ya *******s. So, ya'll hang here and leave the TAGF board to the crazies? Nice!
Hey Rosie, whats happening? Congrats on finally getting your seats.</P>


Your opinion of everyone in here may change over time...lol.</P>

Morehead State
04-27-2010, 10:03 AM
quite the game between Sox and Jays... freakin take FOREVER though. oh and Beckett sucks!! so does Papsmearbon</P>


Bard and Papelbon are lights out at the back of the bullpen but the rest.....</P>


Holy crap. Its the white knuckle kids.</P>


And don't worry about Beckett, he does this every year.</P>

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 10:04 AM
Hey ya *******s. So, ya'll hang here and leave the TAGF board to the crazies? Nice!
Hey Rosie, whats happening? Congrats on finally getting your seats.</P>


Your opinion of everyone in here may change over time...lol.</P>


</P>


He already doesnt like me?!?!</P>


damn, word travels fast in these parts. I blame Morehead =\</P>

Morehead State
04-27-2010, 10:08 AM
Hey ya *******s. So, ya'll hang here and leave the TAGF board to the crazies? Nice!
Hey Rosie, whats happening? Congrats on finally getting your seats.</P>


Your opinion of everyone in here may change over time...lol.</P>


</P>


He already doesnt like me?!?!</P>


damn, word travels fast in these parts. I blame Morehead =\</P>


</P>


Rosie and Morehead are tight.</P>


By the way...where's Matt?</P>


Do you think he jumped?</P>

ibleedblue85
04-27-2010, 10:08 AM
morning gents! [C] </P>


pizzy- 24 was insane once again... i missed last week since i was away so i watched both episodes back to back.... JB is the ****ing man!! lol</P>


</P>

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 10:09 AM
Hey ya *******s. So, ya'll hang here and leave the TAGF board to the crazies? Nice!
Hey Rosie, whats happening? Congrats on finally getting your seats.</P>


Your opinion of everyone in here may change over time...lol.</P>


</P>


He already doesnt like me?!?!</P>


damn, word travels fast in these parts. I blame Morehead =\</P>


</P>


Rosie and Morehead are tight.</P>


By the way...where's Matt?</P>


Do you think he jumped?</P>


</P>


SOME of us still have to work around here, Morehead! =P</P>


yea i dont know what that means either....btw, what do you do...we flame each other too much for me to not know your profession =]</P>

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 10:13 AM
morning gents! [C] </P>


pizzy- 24 was insane once again... i missed last week since i was away so i watched both episodes back to back.... JB is the ****ing man!! lol</P>


</P>


</P>


I LOVE HIM!</P>


oh, and youre ok too =P</P>


yea i really miss old 24 though....but moving the show to NY was a cool change of pace.</P>

dezzzR
04-27-2010, 10:15 AM
morning gents! [C] </p>


pizzy- 24 was insane once again... i missed last week since i was away so i watched both episodes back to back.... JB is the ****ing man!! lol</p>


</p>wtf are phillies thinking giving howard all that money?

Morehead State
04-27-2010, 10:15 AM
Hey ya *******s. So, ya'll hang here and leave the TAGF board to the crazies? Nice!
Hey Rosie, whats happening? Congrats on finally getting your seats.</P>


Your opinion of everyone in here may change over time...lol.</P>


</P>


He already doesnt like me?!?!</P>


damn, word travels fast in these parts. I blame Morehead =\</P>


</P>


Rosie and Morehead are tight.</P>


By the way...where's Matt?</P>


Do you think he jumped?</P>


</P>


SOME of us still have to work around here, Morehead! =P</P>


yea i dont know what that means either....btw, what do you do...we flame each other too much for me to not know your profession =]</P>


</P>


Male escort.</P>

Morehead State
04-27-2010, 10:16 AM
morning gents! [C] </P>


pizzy- 24 was insane once again... i missed last week since i was away so i watched both episodes back to back.... JB is the ****ing man!! lol</P>


</P>


</P>


I was too busy watching 25 last night.</P>


25 runs scored in the Sox/Jays game that is.</P>

dezzzR
04-27-2010, 10:17 AM
"We'll dominate our division, off of bringing
Donovan McNabb (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&amp;id=704) in here, a guy who's dominated the division in the past," DeAngelo Hall said.
"So that's just an educated guess. That's an educated guess, and I stand
behind. I'll stand behind that. I'll fight and claw to try to make that
happen."


lmao.