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bigblue4417
04-27-2010, 05:10 PM
4-0 record, 28 strikeouts, WHIP of 0.88, ERA of 0.82. We're sorry, Blue Jays fans, we're sorry.definitely not Becketts numbers..
Doc

lawl
04-27-2010, 05:10 PM
4-0 record, 28 strikeouts, WHIP of 0.88, ERA of 0.82. We're sorry, Blue Jays fans, we're sorry.definitely not Becketts numbers..
Doc
</P>


those numbers arent up to date. doc's up to 1.8 era</P>

lawl
04-27-2010, 05:11 PM
That race for the NL Cy Young is gonna get nastyThe NL.... Thats the AAAA League right???
</P>


Does the AL even have good pitchers?</P>


1 letter, 2 syllables

CC!!!!!!



Do the NL teams have fans on games where it ISNT 'Free Beer and Hot Dog Night'????
</P>


</P>


CC's not even a top 5 NL pitcher lol</P>

bandwgn86
04-27-2010, 05:13 PM
do you have the hot Canadian girls # lol</P>


</P>


as for the draft day hurls. its good to have a tradition </P>


</P>


touche.... [;)]</P>


so you had a good time.. was it a week or 2</P>


yeah i mean it def coulda been better but it was still a good time. i just laid on the beach and tanned all day and drank all night sooo cant complain. it was very relaxing and i had alotta me time since everyone else wasy by the pool all day i had beach days all alone which was VERY NEEDED... only a week but long enough.</P>


well next time invite me.. i'll dust off the speedo.. </P>


Lando do your thing</P>
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y372/AssassinateAssassinate/fat_guy_in_speedo_dancing.gif
outstanding...

ibleedblue85
04-27-2010, 05:15 PM
That race for the NL Cy Young is gonna get nastyThe NL.... Thats the AAAA League right???
</P>


Does the AL even have good pitchers?</P>


1 letter, 2 syllables

CC!!!!!!



Do the NL teams have fans on games where it ISNT 'Free Beer and Hot Dog Night'????
</P>


</P>


CC's not even a top 5 NL pitcher lol</P>


</P>


i knew i liked you lawl....</P>

lawl
04-27-2010, 05:18 PM
That race for the NL Cy Young is gonna get nastyThe NL.... Thats the AAAA League right???
</P>


Does the AL even have good pitchers?</P>


1 letter, 2 syllables

CC!!!!!!



Do the NL teams have fans on games where it ISNT 'Free Beer and Hot Dog Night'????
</P>


</P>


CC's not even a top 5 NL pitcher lol</P>


</P>


i knew i liked you lawl....</P>


</P>


If I recall correctly, that like used to be termed as love?</P>

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 05:22 PM
That race for the NL Cy Young is gonna get nastyThe NL.... Thats the AAAA League right???
</p>


Does the AL even have good pitchers?</p>


1 letter, 2 syllables

CC!!!!!!



Do the NL teams have fans on games where it ISNT 'Free Beer and Hot Dog Night'????
</p>


</p>


CC's not even a top 5 NL pitcher lol</p>


</p>


i knew i liked you lawl....</p>


</p>


If I recall correctly, that like used to be termed as love?</p>

desperate much?
loloolololololololololololololol
=]

lawl
04-27-2010, 05:25 PM
That race for the NL Cy Young is gonna get nastyThe NL.... Thats the AAAA League right???
</P>


Does the AL even have good pitchers?</P>


1 letter, 2 syllables

CC!!!!!!



Do the NL teams have fans on games where it ISNT 'Free Beer and Hot Dog Night'????
</P>


</P>


CC's not even a top 5 NL pitcher lol</P>


</P>


i knew i liked you lawl....</P>


</P>


If I recall correctly, that like used to be termed as love?</P>




desperate much?
loloolololololololololololololol
=]
</P>


</P>


that would be a good burn if it was me hoping instead of actual history.</P>


and yes I totally used the word burn</P>

JPizzack
04-27-2010, 05:28 PM
actually a good burn is whats on your knees!
BUUUURN! lol i got nothin.

ok im out cya kids tmrw!

ibleedblue85
04-27-2010, 05:34 PM
That race for the NL Cy Young is gonna get nastyThe NL.... Thats the AAAA League right???
</P>


Does the AL even have good pitchers?</P>


1 letter, 2 syllables

CC!!!!!!



Do the NL teams have fans on games where it ISNT 'Free Beer and Hot Dog Night'????
</P>


</P>


CC's not even a top 5 NL pitcher lol</P>


</P>


i knew i liked you lawl....</P>


</P>


If I recall correctly, that like used to be termed as love?</P>




desperate much?
loloolololololololololololololol
=]
</P>


</P>


that would be a good burn if it was me hoping instead of actual history.</P>


and yes I totally used the word burn</P>


</P>


you guys are too much</P>

lawl
04-27-2010, 05:44 PM
you guys are too much</P>


agreed</P>

bigblue4417
04-27-2010, 10:47 PM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take
place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson
sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard
might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>

ny06
04-27-2010, 10:49 PM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take
place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson
sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard
might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>

I just read a comment that he did not visit the Chiefs.

Kase-1
04-27-2010, 10:50 PM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take
place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson
sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard
might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."

ny06
04-27-2010, 10:53 PM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take
place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson
sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard
might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."


I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine.

My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol

He is a bad man.

ibleedblue85
04-27-2010, 10:59 PM
LeBron James is the best player in the NBA



P.S. GO CAVS!!!
</P>


i love you lando [}]</P>

bandwgn86
04-27-2010, 11:37 PM
stoooopid Boston RedSox !!!!

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 08:38 AM
stoooopid Boston RedSox !!!!</P>


Sorry Bandy. </P>


Win 13-12 one day, and win 2-1 the next.</P>


Its a crazy world.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 08:56 AM
That race for the NL Cy Young is gonna get nastyThe NL.... Thats the AAAA League right???
</p>


Does the AL even have good pitchers?</p>


1 letter, 2 syllables

CC!!!!!!



Do the NL teams have fans on games where it ISNT 'Free Beer and Hot Dog Night'????
</p>


</p>


CC's not even a top 5 NL pitcher lol</p>

besides Doc and Lincy... who else?

keep in mind the difference with pitching in the AL and NL...

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 08:58 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take
place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson
sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard
might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>

old news sir, apparently that visit to the chiefs isn't even happening. Gmen will be his first visit...

I CANNOT hate us going after a ****ing beast like that...

It would signal the end for Cofield

or Bernard rather... i guess it would depend on what Cofields contract status is

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 08:59 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take
place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson
sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard
might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."


I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine.

My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol

He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 09:27 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>

ny06
04-28-2010, 09:29 AM
When is Henderson visiting the Giants?

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:30 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>

thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:31 AM
When is Henderson visiting the Giants?

Tom i think?

I know he was suppose to see KC today, but that ian't happenin

ny06
04-28-2010, 09:33 AM
When is Henderson visiting the Giants?

Tom i think?

I know he was suppose to see KC today, but that ian't happenin


If I was Reese I would not allow him to leave without a contract.

He is exactly what we need on this defense. I understand the posters who say Bernard was hurt last year and Henderson is getting up there in age.

But this guy is a player.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 09:35 AM
Hey. Mornin guys

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 09:37 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game

ny06
04-28-2010, 09:38 AM
joe girardis a *****.* pitch count bull **** lost us the game


He always finds ways to over manage

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 09:44 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>

ny06
04-28-2010, 09:48 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line.* It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer.* We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


.</P>

You would not want Henderson for a season or 2?

Be a good mentor to the young guys like Alford and Joseph.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:48 AM
When is Henderson visiting the Giants?

Tom i think?

I know he was suppose to see KC today, but that ian't happenin


If I was Reese I would not allow him to leave without a contract.

He is exactly what we need on this defense. I understand the posters who say Bernard was hurt last year and Henderson is getting up there in age.

But this guy is a player.

i dont even understand that argument. Henderson and Benard are the same age and we only signed Benard last year..

i just love the viciousness of him

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:49 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 09:50 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


He always finds ways to over managei was livid......he only gave up a run and got out of 2 jams prior. LET HIM GET THE FINAL OUT!!!!
i want to punch him in the braces...
on another note phil didnt have his stuff but still did awesome.

ny06
04-28-2010, 09:50 AM
When is Henderson visiting the Giants?

Tom i think?

I know he was suppose to see KC today, but that ian't happenin


If I was Reese I would not allow him to leave without a contract.

He is exactly what we need on this defense. I understand the posters who say Bernard was hurt last year and Henderson is getting up there in age.

But this guy is a player.

i dont even understand that argument. Henderson and Benard are the same age and we only signed Benard last year..

i just love the viciousness of him


Read some threads, I have seen some posters who think that why pick up Henderson when we have Bernard.

It puzzles me, Henderson is a upgrade over Bernard

ny06
04-28-2010, 09:51 AM
joe girardis a *****.* pitch count bull **** lost us the game


He always finds ways to over managei was livid......he only gave up a run and got out of 2 jams prior. LET HIM GET THE FINAL OUT!!!!
i want to punch him in the braces...
on another note phil didnt have his stuff but still did awesome.


Punch him in his braces LOL

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:53 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>

He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 09:53 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game
He always finds ways to over managei was livid......he only gave up a run and got out of 2 jams prior. LET HIM GET THE FINAL OUT!!!!
i want to punch him in the braces...
on another note phil didnt have his stuff but still did awesome.
</P>


yea, girardi is really starting to bother me with his "unorthodox" managing...its really annoying...</P>


Hughes wasn't ON per se....but still had a good game minus his walks....im ok with the walks for nowcuz he's not giving up 8 runs a game. lol</P>

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 09:54 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


.</P>


You would not want Henderson for a season or 2? Be a good mentor to the young guys like Alford and Joseph.</P>


Alford is in his 4th year coming up. Not exactly a rook. (yes I know he was hurt last season). I just don't see the upgrade here over Cofield. And I have to say I love the Linval Joseph pick. I think he's gunna be a great run stopper for us.</P>


Right now, we have a glut of DT's. Now, if the Bears whould be kind enough to cut Urlacher, or the Seahawks dump Tatupu, that would be different.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:55 AM
When is Henderson visiting the Giants?

Tom i think?

I know he was suppose to see KC today, but that ian't happenin


If I was Reese I would not allow him to leave without a contract.

He is exactly what we need on this defense. I understand the posters who say Bernard was hurt last year and Henderson is getting up there in age.

But this guy is a player.

i dont even understand that argument. Henderson and Benard are the same age and we only signed Benard last year..

i just love the viciousness of him


Read some threads, I have seen some posters who think that why pick up Henderson when we have Bernard.

It puzzles me, Henderson is a upgrade over Bernard

well i do understand that Benard was hurt and i do think he is a really good player, i just dont think he compares to Henderson

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:56 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game
He always finds ways to over managei was livid......he only gave up a run and got out of 2 jams prior. LET HIM GET THE FINAL OUT!!!!
i want to punch him in the braces...
on another note phil didnt have his stuff but still did awesome.
</p>


yea, girardi is really starting to bother me with his "unorthodox" managing...its really annoying...</p>


Hughes wasn't ON per se....but still had a good game minus his walks....im ok with the walks for nowcuz he's not giving up 8 runs a game. lol</p>

Girardi is by the book and the numbers, hes the most orthodox coach out there

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 09:57 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


.</p>


You would not want Henderson for a season or 2? Be a good mentor to the young guys like Alford and Joseph.</p>


Alford is in his 4th year coming up. Not exactly a rook. (yes I know he was hurt last season). I just don't see the upgrade here over Cofield. And I have to say I love the Linval Joseph pick. I think he's gunna be a great run stopper for us.</p>


Right now, we have a glut of DT's. Now, if the Bears whould be kind enough to cut Urlacher, or the Seahawks dump Tatupu, that would be different.</p>

imagine URlacher in blue...

:(

ny06
04-28-2010, 09:59 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line.* It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer.* We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


.</P>


You would not want Henderson for a season or 2? Be a good mentor to the young guys like Alford and Joseph.</P>


Alford is in his 4th year coming up.* Not exactly a rook. (yes I know he was hurt last season).* I just don't see the upgrade here over Cofield.* And I have to say I love the Linval Joseph pick.* I think he's gunna be a great run stopper for us.</P>


Right now, we have a glut of DT's.* Now, if the Bears whould be kind enough to cut Urlacher, or the Seahawks dump Tatupu, that would be different.</P>

This is Alfords 3rd season coming up.

I think Joseph can be a good player for us, but lets not put too much stock into a rookie.

I think this would be a smart move of getting Henderson. A good run stopper and can wreck havoc up the middle.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 10:00 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game
He always finds ways to over managei was livid......he only gave up a run and got out of 2 jams prior. LET HIM GET THE FINAL OUT!!!!
i want to punch him in the braces...
on another note phil didnt have his stuff but still did awesome.
</P>


yea, girardi is really starting to bother me with his "unorthodox" managing...its really annoying...</P>


Hughes wasn't ON per se....but still had a good game minus his walks....im ok with the walks for nowcuz he's not giving up 8 runs a game. lol</P>




Girardi is by the book and the numbers, hes the most orthodox coach out there
</P>


he coaches like a first year novice. never goes with gut, never goes with the flow...he just makes his own **** up.
I dont care if we win...but its the 2nd game in like 4 days where he's made horrible decisions that have CLEARLY not worked and cost us games.</P>

ny06
04-28-2010, 10:00 AM
When is Henderson visiting the Giants?

Tom i think?

I know he was suppose to see KC today, but that ian't happenin


If I was Reese I would not allow him to leave without a contract.

He is exactly what we need on this defense. I understand the posters who say Bernard was hurt last year and Henderson is getting up there in age.

But this guy is a player.

i dont even understand that argument. Henderson and Benard are the same age and we only signed Benard last year..

i just love the viciousness of him


Read some threads, I have seen some posters who think that why pick up Henderson when we have Bernard.

It puzzles me, Henderson is a upgrade over Bernard

well i do understand that Benard was hurt and i do think he is a really good player, i just dont think he compares to Henderson


agreed

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:00 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 10:02 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:04 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</P>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 10:05 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game
He always finds ways to over managei was livid......he only gave up a run and got out of 2 jams prior. LET HIM GET THE FINAL OUT!!!!
i want to punch him in the braces...
on another note phil didnt have his stuff but still did awesome.
</p>


yea, girardi is really starting to bother me with his "unorthodox" managing...its really annoying...</p>


Hughes wasn't ON per se....but still had a good game minus his walks....im ok with the walks for nowcuz he's not giving up 8 runs a game. lol</p>




Girardi is by the book and the numbers, hes the most orthodox coach out there
</p>


he coaches like a first year novice. never goes with gut, never goes with the flow...he just makes his own **** up.
I dont care if we win...but its the 2nd game in like 4 days where he's made horrible decisions that have CLEARLY not worked and cost us games.</p>

thats fine, hes has success playing like that tho. Remember what he did with MArlins in one year and then second year as a yank he won a series. Its april... this is why i dont even really bother watching baseball until july... its a long road ahead, you have a young arm whose already thrown 110 pitches. You have to be able to rely on ur bullpen, its the bullpens fault for not doing the job

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 10:08 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</p>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</p>how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 10:14 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</P>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</P>


how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]
</P>


you dig sideways at an upward angle, and make a ramp! DUH!</P>

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:16 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</P>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</P>


how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]
</P>


you dig sideways at an upward angle, and make a ramp! DUH!</P>


</P>


Out of the mouths of babes......</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 10:17 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</P>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</P>


how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]
</P>


you dig sideways at an upward angle, and make a ramp! DUH!</P>


</P>


Out of the mouths of babes......</P>


</P>


damn!
&lt;--------shoulda went to engineering school instead!</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 10:17 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>

i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 10:18 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</p>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</p>how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]


simple: Dig up

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 10:19 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</p>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</p>


how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]
</p>


you dig sideways at an upward angle, and make a ramp! DUH!</p>

ur just dig lil foot pegs and climb wall urself out

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 10:19 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</p>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</p>


how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]
</p>


you dig sideways at an upward angle, and make a ramp! DUH!</p>


</p>


Out of the mouths of babes......</p>


</p>


damn!
&lt;--------shoulda went to engineering school instead!</p>
\
wheres daven when u need him

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 10:23 AM
Russell will have been paid $39 million since going to the team as a
first-round pick in 2007.
<h3>JaMarcus Russell has been paid more than $5 million per win, more
than $2 million per touchdown pass and more than $100,000 per
completion.
</h3>
If that is not the best case in the world for a rookie salary cap in the NFL I dont know what is....

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 10:26 AM
joe girardis a *****. pitch count bull **** lost us the game


na bro, 110 pitches and he wasn't even in the 6th... had to yank him. I have no problem with that
i thought he should of let him get the last out of the inning. each his own
</p>


The Sox are slowely digging themselves out of their hole.</p>


how do you dig out of a hole?[:)]
</p>


you dig sideways at an upward angle, and make a ramp! DUH!</p>

ur just dig lil foot pegs and climb wall urself out
lol yea i guess that can work.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 10:28 AM
Russell will have been paid $39 million since going to the team as a first-round pick in 2007.

<H3>JaMarcus Russell has been paid more than $5 million per win, more than $2 million per touchdown pass and more than $100,000 per completion. </H3>



If that is not the best case in the world for a rookie salary cap in the NFL I dont know what is....
</P>


pretty much the richest guy to suck at life ever........sad, isnt it?</P>

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 10:31 AM
morning gents! [C]

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 10:35 AM
<FONT color=#0000ff>(518): and unfortunately for you, hallmark doesnt make a "sorry i was getting a blowie in the backseat of your car while you were driving, projectiled my jizz onto your hand, and caused you to crash" card (http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-16112.html)</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000></FONT><FONT color=#000000>lol wtf?</FONT></FONT></P>

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:38 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
</P>


You're unbelievable. You want a "well rounded" defense, and then you say we should sign a guy who doesn't play the position you want (MLB) but plays the exact position that I just said seems to be more important to the FO. Followed by your argument that we need a MLB, and not a DT.</P>


What the hell is bouncing around in your melon?</P>


If you say we need to focus on MLB, why the hell are you saying we NEED to sign another DT?</P>


MAVEN!!!!!!!!</P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 10:38 AM
<font color="#0000ff">(518): and unfortunately for you, hallmark doesnt make a "sorry i was getting a blowie in the backseat of your car while you were driving, projectiled my jizz onto your hand, and caused you to crash" card (http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-16112.html)</font></p>


<font color="#0000ff"></font></p>


<font color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000"></font><font color="#000000">lol wtf?</font></font></p>soooo shes driving and sucking a D in the back seat????

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:41 AM
<FONT color=#0000ff>(518): and unfortunately for you, hallmark doesnt make a "sorry i was getting a blowie in the backseat of your car while you were driving, projectiled my jizz onto your hand, and caused you to crash" card (http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-16112.html)</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000></FONT><FONT color=#000000>lol wtf?</FONT></FONT></P>


soooo shes driving and sucking a D in the back seat????
</P>


Why don't the two of you get a room and watch porn together.</P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 10:42 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
</p>


You're unbelievable. You want a "well rounded" defense, and then you say we should sign a guy who doesn't play the position you want (MLB) but plays the exact position that I just said seems to be more important to the FO. Followed by your argument that we need a MLB, and not a DT.</p>


What the hell is bouncing around in your melon?</p>


If you say we need to focus on MLB, why the hell are you saying we NEED to sign another DT?</p>


MAVEN!!!!!!!!</p>yea, your all over the place today, regs. im not following.

byron
04-28-2010, 10:43 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>

i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 10:44 AM
<font color="#0000ff">(518): and unfortunately for you, hallmark doesnt make a "sorry i was getting a blowie in the backseat of your car while you were driving, projectiled my jizz onto your hand, and caused you to crash" card (http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-16112.html)</font></p>


<font color="#0000ff"></font></p>


<font color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000"></font><font color="#000000">lol wtf?</font></font></p>


soooo shes driving and sucking a D in the back seat????
</p>


Why don't the two of you get a room and watch porn together.</p>or a hole...

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:45 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 10:46 AM
<FONT color=#0000ff>(518): and unfortunately for you, hallmark doesnt make a "sorry i was getting a blowie in the backseat of your car while you were driving, projectiled my jizz onto your hand, and caused you to crash" card (http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-16112.html)</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000></FONT><FONT color=#000000>lol wtf?</FONT></FONT></P>


soooo shes driving and sucking a D in the back seat????
</P>


Why don't the two of you get a room and watch porn together.</P>


</P>


lmao... seriously</P>

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 10:47 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>


</P>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</P>

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 10:48 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said
outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<font color="#0000ff">He's
the greatest player in the game.</font> There are only a couple guys who can
turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists
and get their guys involved. <font color="#0000ff">He's probably the best ever.</font> You can't say
that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's
not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still
the same Kobe." "<font color="#0000ff">Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</font>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 10:50 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>


</p>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</p>what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:51 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>


</P>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</P>


</P>


It doesn't work that way. We had a chance to trade for Kirk Morrison and we passed. He was the best available veteran MLB. Now Matt's logic is that we NEED to sign Henderson, but then spends the next two hours arguing that we don't need DT's.</P>


Matt's comment a few hours ago......</P>


"he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft"</P>

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 10:53 AM
The Lakers' <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110">Kobe
Bryant</a> once again tops the NBA's list of most popular jerseys, where
he has reigned as No. 1 since the start of the 2008-09 season.

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:55 AM
The Lakers' Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110) once again tops the NBA's list of most popular jerseys, where he has reigned as No. 1 since the start of the 2008-09 season.</P>


Lakers will probably be taken to 7 games by OKC.</P>


</P>

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 10:56 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>


</P>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</P>


what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?
</P>


Only Oakland and that ship has sailed.</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 10:58 AM
<FONT color=#0000ff>(518): and unfortunately for you, hallmark doesnt make a "sorry i was getting a blowie in the backseat of your car while you were driving, projectiled my jizz onto your hand, and caused you to crash" card (http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-16112.html)</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000></FONT><FONT color=#000000>lol wtf?</FONT></FONT></P>


soooo shes driving and sucking a D in the back seat????
</P>


Why don't the two of you get a room and watch porn together.</P>


</P>


lmao... seriously</P>


</P>


lol....i thought that TFLN was hilarious!</P>

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 11:00 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>


</P>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</P>


what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?
</P>


well thereis asuch things as a package deal.. but even if we sign him we can cut someone else obviously... that isnt effecting us right now, we simply keep the best players when its time to meet the 53... </P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:00 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
</p>


You're unbelievable. You want a "well rounded" defense, and then you say we should sign a guy who doesn't play the position you want (MLB) but plays the exact position that I just said seems to be more important to the FO. Followed by your argument that we need a MLB, and not a DT.</p>


What the hell is bouncing around in your melon?</p>


If you say we need to focus on MLB, why the hell are you saying we NEED to sign another DT?</p>


MAVEN!!!!!!!!</p>

Upgrading a position thru FA in an uncapped year has nothing to do with our need for LB. Why would u bring the two up in the same sentence? Its still an upgrade for our team, we know what we're getting with Henderson...

with ur boy JPP im sorry, its what they call a project at an already stacke dposition.

Just because we signed Henderson, doesn't mean we can't sign a MLB if one were to become avail. By us using our first on JPP that weobviously couldn't use it again for a MLB.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:01 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>

i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt

well thank ya sir, glad somebody has their logical hat on today

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:03 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>

ohhhh, i get it. The voices are talking to u again pappy

they must of said getting Henderson would resolve our MLB issues, because i never said it.

All i said was if we got Henderson, he would be our best DT and an immediate impact. Please show me where i said he would solve our MLB issues

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:04 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said
outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<font color="#0000ff">He's
the greatest player in the game.</font> There are only a couple guys who can
turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists
and get their guys involved. <font color="#0000ff">He's probably the best ever.</font> You can't say
that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's
not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still
the same Kobe." "<font color="#0000ff">Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</font>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 11:04 AM
im craving fajitas

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:05 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>


</p>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</p>


</p>


It doesn't work that way. We had a chance to trade for Kirk Morrison and we passed. He was the best available veteran MLB. Now Matt's logic is that we NEED to sign Henderson, but then spends the next two hours arguing that we don't need DT's.</p>


Matt's comment a few hours ago......</p>


"he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft"</p>

upgrading Bernard with Henderson is a no brainer and a great move for us....

it has nothing to do with LB

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:05 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>


</P>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</P>


what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?
</P>


well thereis asuch things as a package deal.. but even if we sign him we can cut someone else obviously... that isnt effecting us right now, we simply keep the best players when its time to meet the 53... </P>


</P>


I love ya kid but in this case you are making a very "Davenlike" argument. You are saying that we should sign what we don't need in order to have a glut of DT's so we can cast off one of them to get what we do need. (A MLB).</P>


We drafted a kid we like in the 4th round. We had NO CHANCE to get McClain since he went at #8. TC said that no other MLB was on their radar until Dillard.</P>


It is what it is. If they were contemplating trading for a MLB as you suggest, they would have made the deal with Oakland for Morrison.</P>


Lets deal in reality here. Your scenario is an impossibility.</P>

byron
04-28-2010, 11:06 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>I'm in agreement with this last statement...As far as Henderson goes hes a good ball playerI like his killer instints..a guy that gets fired up whichshould fire up people around himwill be good for this team....sign him loose someone.....I think Matt wants what I want some ****ing additude on the field alone with good play...not that mess we saw last year the I don't want anything close to it

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 11:06 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<FONT color=#0000ff>He's the greatest player in the game.</FONT> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <FONT color=#0000ff>He's probably the best ever.</FONT> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<FONT color=#0000ff>Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</FONT>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</P>


I waaaannna be like MIKE!</P>


btw, why is Kobe nicknamed after The Bride??</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:07 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>


</p>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</p>


what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?
</p>


well thereis asuch things as a package deal.. but even if we sign him we can cut someone else obviously... that isnt effecting us right now, we simply keep the best players when its time to meet the 53... </p>


</p>


I love ya kid but in this case you are making a very "Davenlike" argument. You are saying that we should sign what we don't need in order to have a glut of DT's so we can cast off one of them to get what we do need. (A MLB).</p>


We drafted a kid we like in the 4th round. We had NO CHANCE to get McClain since he went at #8. TC said that no other MLB was on their radar until Dillard.</p>


It is what it is. If they were contemplating trading for a MLB as you suggest, they would have made the deal with Oakland for Morrison.</p>


Lets deal in reality here. Your scenario is an impossibility.</p>

actually whats daven like is u mixing two arguments and trying to make them as one....

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:08 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>I'm in agreement with this last statement...As far as Henderson goes hes a good ball playerI like his killer instints..a guy that gets fired up whichshould fire up people around himwill be good for this team....sign him loose someone.....I think Matt wants what I want some ****ing additude on the field alone with good play...not that mess we saw last year the I don't want anything close to it

exactly.......

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:09 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<font color="#0000ff">He's the greatest player in the game.</font> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <font color="#0000ff">He's probably the best ever.</font> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<font color="#0000ff">Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</font>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</p>


I waaaannna be like MIKE!</p>


btw, why is Kobe nicknamed after The Bride??</p>

the bride?

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:09 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 11:10 AM
Celine Dion is literally drowning in money -- so much
so, that she just built a massive water park in the backyard of her
equally massive Florida mansion.

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/27/0427-celine-dion-house-credit.jpg<div id="TixyyLink" style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
</div>

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:11 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>




ohhhh, i get it. The voices are talking to u again pappy

they must of said getting Henderson would resolve our MLB issues, because i never said it.

All i said was if we got Henderson, he would be our best DT and an immediate impact. Please show me where i said he would solve our MLB issues
</P>


Jeez Matt. I make an argument against Henderson and your comeback was that we aren't addressing our MLB need.</P>


If we sign Henderson, thats fine with me, because DT <U>IS</U> important. I think our DT's are fine. But thats a small difference between you and me.</P>


I'm telling you that its clear that the FO isn't desperate to sign a MLB because they passed on Morrison. They obviously feel that the current MLB situation is OK. The facts don't lie. They didn't make a deal, Amanda makes the point that they might sign Henderson in order to trade for another vet MLB with one of our DT's. Then she suggested that I don't have a brain for not seeing that.</P>


You can underdstand my frusration here with both of you.</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 11:12 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<FONT color=#0000ff>He's the greatest player in the game.</FONT> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <FONT color=#0000ff>He's probably the best ever.</FONT> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<FONT color=#0000ff>Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</FONT>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</P>


I waaaannna be like MIKE!</P>


btw, why is Kobe nicknamed after The Bride??</P>




the bride?
</P>


Beatrice, from the kill bill movies. her name was Black Mamba....i never heard anyone call Kobe that till a few years ago....just thought it was wierd, that's all..</P>

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:14 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<FONT color=#0000ff>He's the greatest player in the game.</FONT> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <FONT color=#0000ff>He's probably the best ever.</FONT> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<FONT color=#0000ff>Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</FONT>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</P>


I waaaannna be like MIKE!</P>


btw, why is Kobe nicknamed after The Bride??</P>




the bride?
</P>


Beatrice, from the kill bill movies. her name was Black Mamba....i never heard anyone call Kobe that till a few years ago....just thought it was wierd, that's all..</P>


</P>


Its Beatrix. And she could kill Kobe in two seconds.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:16 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>




ohhhh, i get it. The voices are talking to u again pappy

they must of said getting Henderson would resolve our MLB issues, because i never said it.

All i said was if we got Henderson, he would be our best DT and an immediate impact. Please show me where i said he would solve our MLB issues
</p>


Jeez Matt. I make an argument against Henderson and your comeback was that we aren't addressing our MLB need.</p>


If we sign Henderson, thats fine with me, because DT <u>IS</u> important. I think our DT's are fine. But thats a small difference between you and me.</p>


I'm telling you that its clear that the FO isn't desperate to sign a MLB because they passed on Morrison. They obviously feel that the current MLB situation is OK. The facts don't lie. They didn't make a deal, Amanda makes the point that they might sign Henderson in order to trade for another vet MLB with one of our DT's. Then she suggested that I don't have a brain for not seeing that.</p>


You can underdstand my frusration here with both of you.</p>

i took it as a passive aggressive comment about why we went with JPP...

Its not so much that DT is important.. all positions are important... its just that its a major immediate upgrade for us and he brings an attitude.

They also didn't make a deal last year and had Michael Johnson starting. So believe it or not, the front office isn't always right.

Well I mean its not the worst idea, Cofield is young and decent but yea i don tthink there is any partners looking for a DT right now thats looking to dump a MLB that would make a difference for us

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:17 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<font color="#0000ff">He's the greatest player in the game.</font> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <font color="#0000ff">He's probably the best ever.</font> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<font color="#0000ff">Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</font>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</p>


I waaaannna be like MIKE!</p>


btw, why is Kobe nicknamed after The Bride??</p>




the bride?
</p>


Beatrice, from the kill bill movies. her name was Black Mamba....i never heard anyone call Kobe that till a few years ago....just thought it was wierd, that's all..</p>

oh wasn't big on thaose movies, i saw one and that was enough

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 11:17 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<FONT color=#0000ff>He's the greatest player in the game.</FONT> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <FONT color=#0000ff>He's probably the best ever.</FONT> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<FONT color=#0000ff>Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</FONT>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</P>


I waaaannna be like MIKE!</P>


btw, why is Kobe nicknamed after The Bride??</P>




the bride?
</P>


Beatrice, from the kill bill movies. her name was Black Mamba....i never heard anyone call Kobe that till a few years ago....just thought it was wierd, that's all..</P>


</P>


Its Beatrix. And she could kill Kobe in two seconds.</P>


</P>


lol...maybe 1.5!!</P>

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 11:18 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<font color="#0000ff">He's the greatest player in the game.</font> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <font color="#0000ff">He's probably the best ever.</font> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<font color="#0000ff">Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</font>




classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</p>Of course we do. I can't believe Durant even insinuated that. KD is the man though and will be great for the next decade. lol

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 11:18 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>


</P>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</P>


what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?
</P>


well thereis asuch things as a package deal.. but even if we sign him we can cut someone else obviously... that isnt effecting us right now, we simply keep the best players when its time to meet the 53... </P>


</P>


I love ya kid but in this case you are making a very "Davenlike" argument. You are saying that we should sign what we don't need in order to have a glut of DT's so we can cast off one of them to get what we do need. (A MLB).</P>


We drafted a kid we like in the 4th round. We had NO CHANCE to get McClain since he went at #8. TC said that no other MLB was on their radar until Dillard.</P>


It is what it is. If they were contemplating trading for a MLB as you suggest, they would have made the deal with Oakland for Morrison.</P>


Lets deal in reality here. Your scenario is an impossibility.</P>




actually whats daven like is u mixing two arguments and trying to make them as one....
</P>


exactly.... us picking up a FA isnt effect us right now in any way... not addressing a hole in our defense during a draft effected us then and has a good chance to effect us in the future as well</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 11:18 AM
yea, forgot you were a fan, Morehead.....Gogo Yubari n all that nonsense =P

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 11:20 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 11:23 AM
http://www.shoptradition.com/store/blog/uploaded_images/446783640_85b8cdd99b-797381.jpg

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:23 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>




ohhhh, i get it. The voices are talking to u again pappy

they must of said getting Henderson would resolve our MLB issues, because i never said it.

All i said was if we got Henderson, he would be our best DT and an immediate impact. Please show me where i said he would solve our MLB issues
</P>


Jeez Matt. I make an argument against Henderson and your comeback was that we aren't addressing our MLB need.</P>


If we sign Henderson, thats fine with me, because DT <U>IS</U> important. I think our DT's are fine. But thats a small difference between you and me.</P>


I'm telling you that its clear that the FO isn't desperate to sign a MLB because they passed on Morrison. They obviously feel that the current MLB situation is OK. The facts don't lie. They didn't make a deal, Amanda makes the point that they might sign Henderson in order to trade for another vet MLB with one of our DT's. Then she suggested that I don't have a brain for not seeing that.</P>


You can underdstand my frusration here with both of you.</P>




i took it as a passive aggressive comment about why we went with JPP...

Its not so much that DT is important.. all positions are important... its just that its a major immediate upgrade for us and he brings an attitude.

They also didn't make a deal last year and had Michael Johnson starting. So believe it or not, the front office isn't always right.

Well I mean its not the worst idea, Cofield is young and decent but yea i don tthink there is any partners looking for a DT right now thats looking to dump a MLB that would make a difference for us
</P>


If you tell me that we should sign Henderson because it would improve our D line and our defense I'm fine with that. I think his best days are way past. Why do you think they drafted two DT's in Jax and then cut the guy?</P>


Putting that aside, please don't suggest that we should do it so we can trade one of our cast off DT's for a viable veteran MLB that would improve our team. That would be nuts. No one in their right mind would believe that we would trade, (what would be) our fifth best DT for a starting MLB.</P>


Thats Daven on steroids.</P>


Now its you who are linking the two positions. </P>

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 11:24 AM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage">Derek Jeter is one double away from tying
Don Mattingly (442) for the third-highest total in franchise history</h6>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:24 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:25 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<DIV class=s_playerNewsTextMain>The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</DIV>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</P>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</P>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</P>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</P>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</P>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</P>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</P>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</P>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</P>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</P>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</P>


</P>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</P>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</P>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</P>


</P>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</P>


what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?
</P>


well thereis asuch things as a package deal.. but even if we sign him we can cut someone else obviously... that isnt effecting us right now, we simply keep the best players when its time to meet the 53... </P>


</P>


I love ya kid but in this case you are making a very "Davenlike" argument. You are saying that we should sign what we don't need in order to have a glut of DT's so we can cast off one of them to get what we do need. (A MLB).</P>


We drafted a kid we like in the 4th round. We had NO CHANCE to get McClain since he went at #8. TC said that no other MLB was on their radar until Dillard.</P>


It is what it is. If they were contemplating trading for a MLB as you suggest, they would have made the deal with Oakland for Morrison.</P>


Lets deal in reality here. Your scenario is an impossibility.</P>




actually whats daven like is u mixing two arguments and trying to make them as one....
</P>


exactly.... us picking up a FA isnt effect us right now in any way... not addressing a hole in our defense during a draft effected us then and has a good chance to effect us in the future as well</P>


</P>


We addresses MLB in the draft in the 4th round. Do you think starters only come from round #1?</P>


What would you have had us do? I really want to here the answer.</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 11:25 AM
My friend just sent me a msg....she got 4 tickets to Bamboozle at the Meadowlands this weekend, 2 for Saturday, and 2 for Sunday....like, I REALLY wanna go, cuz the lineup is incredible looking, but I'm too old for that **** lol....those all-day, 2-day festivals are exhausting. lol
What should I do? Should I take them while her offer is out? Or pass?

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 11:26 AM
"I don't understand why people say he's lost a step," Durant said outside the Thunder locker room before Game 5 on Tuesday night. "<font color="#0000ff">He's the greatest player in the game.</font> There are only a couple guys who can turn it on and off like him and get 15 in a row and also get 10 assists and get their guys involved. <font color="#0000ff">He's probably the best ever.</font> You can't say that he's lost a step. He's the same Kobe from a while back, maybe he's not dunking on a lot of guys like he was back in '01, '02 but he's still the same Kobe." "<font color="#0000ff">Our toughest job is stopping the Black Mamba."</font>


classy comment by durant after the **** Phil said

but still.. just being classy... we all know who the Goat is
</p>


I waaaannna be like MIKE!</p>


btw, why is Kobe nicknamed after The Bride??</p>




the bride?
</p>


Beatrice, from the kill bill movies. her name was Black Mamba....i never heard anyone call Kobe that till a few years ago....just thought it was wierd, that's all..</p>

oh wasn't big on thaose movies, i saw one and that was enough
cause your not a thuro breed ninja

byron
04-28-2010, 11:27 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:29 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>




ohhhh, i get it. The voices are talking to u again pappy

they must of said getting Henderson would resolve our MLB issues, because i never said it.

All i said was if we got Henderson, he would be our best DT and an immediate impact. Please show me where i said he would solve our MLB issues
</p>


Jeez Matt. I make an argument against Henderson and your comeback was that we aren't addressing our MLB need.</p>


If we sign Henderson, thats fine with me, because DT <u>IS</u> important. I think our DT's are fine. But thats a small difference between you and me.</p>


I'm telling you that its clear that the FO isn't desperate to sign a MLB because they passed on Morrison. They obviously feel that the current MLB situation is OK. The facts don't lie. They didn't make a deal, Amanda makes the point that they might sign Henderson in order to trade for another vet MLB with one of our DT's. Then she suggested that I don't have a brain for not seeing that.</p>


You can underdstand my frusration here with both of you.</p>




i took it as a passive aggressive comment about why we went with JPP...

Its not so much that DT is important.. all positions are important... its just that its a major immediate upgrade for us and he brings an attitude.

They also didn't make a deal last year and had Michael Johnson starting. So believe it or not, the front office isn't always right.

Well I mean its not the worst idea, Cofield is young and decent but yea i don tthink there is any partners looking for a DT right now thats looking to dump a MLB that would make a difference for us
</p>


If you tell me that we should sign Henderson because it would improve our D line and our defense I'm fine with that. I think his best days are way past. Why do you think they drafted two DT's in Jax and then cut the guy?</p>


Putting that aside, please don't suggest that we should do it so we can trade one of our cast off DT's for a viable veteran MLB that would improve our team. That would be nuts. No one in their right mind would believe that we would trade, (what would be) our fifth best DT for a starting MLB.</p>


Thats Daven on steroids.</p>


Now its you who are linking the two positions. </p>

Cofield is a quality player, if there was a team looking for a DT and looking to dump a MLB, Cofield would def be legit enough. Hes a young player. The scenerio is borderline impossible tho.

For the same reason that Boley was cut, he wasn't getting along with management and coaches. Sometimes it just dont work out. Why would we trade shockey? Why would Philly let go of TO?

Why are there talks about Osi leaving?

Another argument i hear about him was that he was a product of Stroud. Okay fine.. but he can be a product of Canty/Tuck/Osi this year

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:29 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</P>


Who would you replace him with?</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:30 AM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage">Derek Jeter is one double away from tying
Don Mattingly (442) for the third-highest total in franchise history</h6>

thats pretty sick considering donnie only played 10-11 years

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:31 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that the Giants have scheduled a visit for free agent DL John Henderson.

<div class="s_playerNewsTextMain">The meeting will presumably take place after Henderson visits the Chiefs on Wednesday. Should Henderson sign with the Giants, Rocky Bernard would surely be released. Bernard might be cut even if Henderson doesn't sign.




P.S. GO LAKERS!!!
</div>


You gotta peep the link of his 'pregame ritual' its posted in the other thread about him coming to visit us..... He reminds me of Ving Rhames' character Melvin in the movie 'Baby Boy'

"Its all about guns and butter baby...."
I caught a clip of him on his pre game routine. My personal favorite part was when he said don't hit me like no ***** lol He is a bad man.

he NEEEDS to be in blue... jesus god... finally something to pick me up from our draft
</p>


The FO is obviously serious about our D line. It seems they believe that it was a particular weekness of last years team.</p>




thats fine... still not addressing the MLB position is insane.

I don't care how good ur DLine is, you still need guys that can make the right reads and fast...

Goff made alot of bad first steps and left himself out of position... gwilk needs to not ever be on the football field except kick off and I dont want to hear anything baout a 4th round MLB coming in here and competeing for a starting job and actually having a chance.

If thats true then we're worse off than i thought
</p>


First of all. I really don't think the Henderson thing is the right answer. We drafted a guy who would play that position as a run stopper inside and I think in the end we will pass on Henderson.</p>


Second, I agree with you about Goff, in that he bit too much on misdirection and Stewart especially cut back on his all day and abused him. But that may just be the learning process. Unlike Osi, maybe Goff can actually learn how to honor his lane responsibilities.</p>


3rd, I'm not sure that the Fewell defense uses the MLB for a lot of run stopping. Or at least as much as other defenses. I think he looks for coverage skills in that position. That may be why they have talked about Wilk there. The drafting of Joseph would suggest that they plan on the D line to carry run stopping responsibilities.</p>


Just look at Fewell's previous defenses. A premium paid to pass defense.</p>




He was a secondary coach. Theres no way any 4-3 defense doesn't use the MLB as a major part in their run defense. That sounds mad.

I may be giving up on Goff too early, but I just really don't want to have anothe rMichael Johnson situation this year. I thought it was ridic thats who we went in with last year and look how it turned out.

If we signed HEnderson he would be the best DT we have on the team... its hard to say that it would be a bad move bringing someone like that in
</p>


I qualified that by saying it was compared to other defenses. As Reese said, its a lot easier to play MLB when DT's are occupying blockers effectively. That seems to be their emphasis.</p>


I just look at Fewells history, and its a record of focus on pass defense. Its a passing league. With a strong, run stopping inside D line, maybe he figures thats the best way to focus on pass coverage in the back 7.</p>


I think our best DT right now is Canty. He never missed games until last season and we have every reason to believe that last year was out of the norm for him. With Canty and Joseph at DT, along with Alford and Cofield for rotation, we are very strong there.</p>


</p>




i think ur missing what Reese is saying by that. Its alot easier to play LB without OL getting clear shots at you... but that still doesn't change that you have to make pro reads and attack like a pro. Hence why it doesn't matter how good ur DLine is, because if u can't do those things effectively ur gonna be hurting.

I'm sick of hearing its a passing league... because teams also have these things called running backs and if they can run on you they will just do that unless your the Colts... but besides the Colts who just throws the ball?

You have to be a well rounded defense or teams are just going to attack ur weakness and in my eyes we are one position away from being filled of having a well rounded defense. If your going to rely on your dline to play the run good enough to carry the defense then i think ur asking for trouble
I'm with you Matt</p>


Are you also in agreement that the signing of another DT will resolve our MLB issues?</p>


Because that seems to be his twisted logic.</p>


</p>


perhaps we can sign a free agent DT then trade one of our washed up ones for a mlb... jeez pappy, use your brain...............</p>


what team would give us a decent linebacker for a washed up dt?
</p>


well thereis asuch things as a package deal.. but even if we sign him we can cut someone else obviously... that isnt effecting us right now, we simply keep the best players when its time to meet the 53... </p>


</p>


I love ya kid but in this case you are making a very "Davenlike" argument. You are saying that we should sign what we don't need in order to have a glut of DT's so we can cast off one of them to get what we do need. (A MLB).</p>


We drafted a kid we like in the 4th round. We had NO CHANCE to get McClain since he went at #8. TC said that no other MLB was on their radar until Dillard.</p>


It is what it is. If they were contemplating trading for a MLB as you suggest, they would have made the deal with Oakland for Morrison.</p>


Lets deal in reality here. Your scenario is an impossibility.</p>




actually whats daven like is u mixing two arguments and trying to make them as one....
</p>


exactly.... us picking up a FA isnt effect us right now in any way... not addressing a hole in our defense during a draft effected us then and has a good chance to effect us in the future as well</p>


</p>


We addresses MLB in the draft in the 4th round. Do you think starters only come from round #1?</p>


What would you have had us do? I really want to here the answer.</p>

stop it

nobody addresses anything in the 4th round... ur just looking for steals at that point.

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:32 AM
You say the Cofield is a quality player but you also say theat a guy who just got cut by a sub .500 team would be a major upgrade over Cofield.</P>


If all this nonsense is true, then why wouldn't this magical team out there with one extra Hall of Fame MLB than they need, just sign Henderson.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:32 AM
My friend just sent me a msg....she got 4 tickets to Bamboozle at the Meadowlands this weekend, 2 for Saturday, and 2 for Sunday....like, I REALLY wanna go, cuz the lineup is incredible looking, but I'm too old for that **** lol....those all-day, 2-day festivals are exhausting. lol
What should I do? Should I take them while her offer is out? Or pass?

**** i'll buy them if u wanna make some coin for one day.. i wanna see weezer

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 11:34 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red
dammit, you know me too well.

so anyway why cant i sell the giants my 3rd and steve smith shirt idea? like give me 30 percent of the profits

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:35 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong

yea i agree

One comment Tuck had last season i feel so indifferent about. Like I understand where hes coming from, but im not sure if thats the approach he should of took

He said something along the lines if he felt like a hypocrite getting in peoples faces because hes so banged up and not playing to par...

like yea i can hear ya on that... but i dunno, i feel like he should of still been more of a leader

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:37 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p>

i would of traded our 1st and 2nd to ge tMcClain... I would of traded our 5th to get Morrison

I dunno what else there was to do, im not a GM im not in there lookingto fill the spot..

the one thing i do know is that I dont think it can be done effectively internally

EDIT: also to help replace Pierce's attitude, Henderson would be a good start

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:38 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</P>


Barry Cofiled</P>


Brandon Jacobs</P>


Kevin Boss</P>


Amhad Bradshaw</P>


Gibril Wilson</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</FONT></P>


</P>

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 11:38 AM
Go wild as Roethlisberger in a bathroom stall. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5TGdjzhE_k&amp;feature=related)

Eminem at is again. lol

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:39 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</P>


Who would you replace him with?</P>




i would of traded our 1st and 2nd to ge tMcClain... I would of traded our 5th to get Morrison

I dunno what else there was to do, im not a GM im not in there lookingto fill the spot..

the one thing i do know is that I dont think it can be done effectively internally
</P>


So when Oakland came up to draft, you were screaming at the TV to trade our 1st and 2nd for their pick.</P>


Unless you said this before they picked McClain, you have no leg to stand on.</P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 11:40 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</p>


Barry Cofiled</p>


Brandon Jacobs</p>


Kevin Boss</p>


Amhad Bradshaw</p>


Gibril Wilson</p>


<font color="#ff0000">These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</font></p>


</p>stooop please. your making too much sense [:)]

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:41 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</P>


Barry Cofiled</P>


Brandon Jacobs</P>


Kevin Boss</P>


Amhad Bradshaw</P>


Gibril Wilson</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</FONT></P>


</P>


stooop please. your making too much sense [:)]
</P>


No No Dezz. Didn't you hear?</P>


Unless you pick a guy in the first round, he has no value on this team.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:42 AM
You say the Cofield is a quality player but you also say theat a guy who just got cut by a sub .500 team would be a major upgrade over Cofield.</p>


If all this nonsense is true, then why wouldn't this magical team out there with one extra Hall of Fame MLB than they need, just sign Henderson.</p>

and again, u have no response to why would Philly cut TO by ur theory, Reggie Brown must of been better than TO.

ur really daven today... im serious.Daven, when didu get pappys login

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:44 AM
I could have sworn that I heard Adam Schein read an email from "Meyerbud" last year on NFL Sirius claiming that a fifth round TE pick of the Giants was one of the best young TE's in football.</P>


Must have been Daven Meyerbud.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:44 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red
dammit, you know me too well.

so anyway why cant i sell the giants my 3rd and steve smith shirt idea? like give me 30 percent of the profits


u can suggest it to them, but if they like it u'll pay the 30 bucks to buy it form them with the official nfl liscence on it

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:45 AM
You say the Cofield is a quality player but you also say theat a guy who just got cut by a sub .500 team would be a major upgrade over Cofield.</P>


If all this nonsense is true, then why wouldn't this magical team out there with one extra Hall of Fame MLB than they need, just sign Henderson.</P>




and again, u have no response to why would Philly cut TO by ur theory, Reggie Brown must of been better than TO.

ur really daven today... im serious.Daven, when didu get pappys login
</P>


I must have missed the video of Henderson doing sit ups in his driveway, killing the starting QB of the Jags.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:46 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</p>


Barry Cofiled</p>


Brandon Jacobs</p>


Kevin Boss</p>


Amhad Bradshaw</p>


Gibril Wilson</p>


<font color="#ff0000">These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</font></p>


</p>

and again daven, ur inability to read posts today is frightening...

we never drafted any of those guys to be immediate impacts.

wasn't it u yesterday who was arguing that we don't draft for need in the 1st round, but all of a sudden we do in the 4th?


ur losing it daven

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 11:47 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</P>


Barry Cofiled</P>


Brandon Jacobs</P>


Kevin Boss</P>


Amhad Bradshaw</P>


Gibril Wilson</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</FONT></P>


</P>




and again daven, ur inability to read posts today is frightening...

we never drafted any of those guys to be immediate impacts.

wasn't it u yesterday who was arguing that we don't draft for need in the 1st round, but all of a sudden we do in the 4th?


ur losing it daven
</P>


Here Matt, read DK's rant. Learn something.</P>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/1749644.aspx (/forums/thread/1749644.aspx)</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:48 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p>




i would of traded our 1st and 2nd to ge tMcClain... I would of traded our 5th to get Morrison

I dunno what else there was to do, im not a GM im not in there lookingto fill the spot..

the one thing i do know is that I dont think it can be done effectively internally
</p>


So when Oakland came up to draft, you were screaming at the TV to trade our 1st and 2nd for their pick.</p>


Unless you said this before they picked McClain, you have no leg to stand on.</p>

well if i knew we had no interest in any of the second tier LBs, like the giants knew, I would of been screaming for it. I thought we would of grabbed a LB at least in the second, we didnt. Giants evidently knew this the whole time, but if i had that info i would of been screaming for it

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 11:49 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red
dammit, you know me too well.

so anyway why cant i sell the giants my 3rd and steve smith shirt idea? like give me 30 percent of the profits


u can suggest it to them, but if they like it u'll pay the 30 bucks to buy it form them with the official nfl liscence on it
wait what? why would i have to give them money? no i want them to sell the product, im just selling the idea and just want 30 percent on the profits.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:49 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</p>


Barry Cofiled</p>


Brandon Jacobs</p>


Kevin Boss</p>


Amhad Bradshaw</p>


Gibril Wilson</p>


<font color="#ff0000">These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</font></p>


</p>


stooop please. your making too much sense [:)]
</p>


No No Dezz. Didn't you hear?</p>


Unless you pick a guy in the first round, he has no value on this team.</p>

putting words in mouths? not reading responses

Mike Franken i know its you

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:50 AM
I could have sworn that I heard Adam Schein read an email from "Meyerbud" last year on NFL Sirius claiming that a fifth round TE pick of the Giants was one of the best young TE's in football.</p>


Must have been Daven Meyerbud.</p>

i said look at the stats actually, for the last 3/4 of the year, besides his first start, his stats were among the best in the league... which was factual

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:51 AM
You say the Cofield is a quality player but you also say theat a guy who just got cut by a sub .500 team would be a major upgrade over Cofield.</p>


If all this nonsense is true, then why wouldn't this magical team out there with one extra Hall of Fame MLB than they need, just sign Henderson.</p>




and again, u have no response to why would Philly cut TO by ur theory, Reggie Brown must of been better than TO.

ur really daven today... im serious.Daven, when didu get pappys login
</p>


I must have missed the video of Henderson doing sit ups in his driveway, killing the starting QB of the Jags.</p>

stop it plenty of teams lose players because they dont get along with coaches or management.. Boley, Shockey, and possibly Osi all come off the top of my head. Your being silly today Mike

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 11:51 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</p>


Barry Cofiled</p>


Brandon Jacobs</p>


Kevin Boss</p>


Amhad Bradshaw</p>


Gibril Wilson</p>


<font color="#ff0000">These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</font></p>


</p>


stooop please. your making too much sense [:)]
</p>


No No Dezz. Didn't you hear?</p>


Unless you pick a guy in the first round, he has no value on this team.</p>

putting words in mouths? not reading responses

Mike Franken i know its you
lol both of you are doing it....

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 11:52 AM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red
dammit, you know me too well.

so anyway why cant i sell the giants my 3rd and steve smith shirt idea? like give me 30 percent of the profits


u can suggest it to them, but if they like it u'll pay the 30 bucks to buy it form them with the official nfl liscence on it
wait what? why would i have to give them money? no i want them to sell the product, im just selling the idea and just want 30 percent on the profits.



how would u prove u sold the idea to them?

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 11:56 AM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</P>


Barry Cofiled</P>


Brandon Jacobs</P>


Kevin Boss</P>


Amhad Bradshaw</P>


Gibril Wilson</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</FONT></P>


</P>


stooop please. your making too much sense [:)]
</P>


great... so lets draft based on steals and hope we can pick up walk on starters in the 4th-7th rounds..... </P>

bandwgn86
04-28-2010, 12:01 PM
afternoon people!

Morehead State
04-28-2010, 12:01 PM
I'm out for the rest of the afternoon.</P>


I want you all to use that time to think about what you've done.</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 12:03 PM
I'm out for the rest of the afternoon.</P>


I want you all to use that time to think about what you've done.</P>


</P>


I didn't do anything! I just sat here and read all this BS!! lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:04 PM
Lets look at some of the "steals" we got from rounds 4 and later in recent years.</p>


Barry Cofiled</p>


Brandon Jacobs</p>


Kevin Boss</p>


Amhad Bradshaw</p>


Gibril Wilson</p>


<font color="#ff0000">These guys are worthless. Drafting them didn't address anything for us since they were late round picks.</font></p>


</p>




and again daven, ur inability to read posts today is frightening...

we never drafted any of those guys to be immediate impacts.

wasn't it u yesterday who was arguing that we don't draft for need in the 1st round, but all of a sudden we do in the 4th?


ur losing it daven
</p>


Here Matt, read DK's rant. Learn something.</p>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/1749644.aspx (/forums/thread/1749644.aspx)</p>

there ya go, just let DK know how i felt about it too lol

byron
04-28-2010, 12:04 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</P>


Who would you replace him with?</P> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:05 PM
I'm out for the rest of the afternoon.</p>


I want you all to use that time to think about what you've done.</p>

good

and daven, give pappy his password so we can talk to the real moorehead

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 12:06 PM
A Giant Wednesday to you all. In the aftermath of the NFL Draft
2010, rumors continue to fly that the Giants had a deal in place to move
DT Barry Cofield to the Saints for a secondday pick (likely a third
round choice), and the trade progressed to the point where Cofield and
the Saints were negotiating a contract extension. The Saints and
Cofield never were able to seal the deal, andthe Saints werenít going to
trade a 3rd round pick to the G-men for a guy set for unrestricted free
agency, so Cofield remains.</p>


Couple the Cofield deal (that never was) to more rumors that the
Giants and Jaguars talked quite a bit about DT John Henderson, but
ultimately couldnít agree on compensation for the deal (Iíll give it to
Jerry on this one, why pay a draft pick, even a 5th rounder, for a guy
you expect to be cut after the draft). Predictably, the Jaguars did
just that, cutting the long-time defensive tackle, making Henderson an
unrestricted free agent. So, the big question remains, are the Giants
going to move Cofield?</p>


Reports indicate that the Giants have been in touch with Hendersonís
agent and that a visit is planned (see Chris Canty, Michael Boley, and
Antrel Rolle), when Jerry brings in a free agent he likes, the free
agent doesnít leave without a contract. Henderson would be a nice
addition, great size, very good against the run, commands double teams
(even if at this stage in his career, he is not exactly what you would
call a pass rusher). If Henderson is brought on board, surely that
means the end of free agent bust Rocky Bernard (and Cofield might also
become expendable as well).</p>


Add in big John Henderson to Canty, a recovering Jay Alford (expected
to be 100% healthy for training camp), 2nd Round draft choice Linval
Joseph (not to mention undrafted free agent Nate Collins who we like
very much), and consider that Justin Tuck will likely see time at
defensive tackle on passing downs, not a lot of playing time to go
around. Still, Cofield is solid against the run and plays hard on every
snap, and he showed signs of full recovery from knee microfracture
surgery towards the end of the year.</p>
Our Take: Jerry Reese will try to reel in big John Henderson whose
size andstrength would be a perfect fit in a situational/rotational role
on the d-line. As much as we like Barry Cofield, it looks like the
Giants are not opening the check book to keep him, so my guess is he is
out if Henderson is in.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:06 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:08 PM
A Giant Wednesday to you all. In the aftermath of the NFL Draft
2010, rumors continue to fly that the Giants had a deal in place to move
DT Barry Cofield to the Saints for a secondday pick (likely a third
round choice), and the trade progressed to the point where Cofield and
the Saints were negotiating a contract extension. The Saints and
Cofield never were able to seal the deal, andthe Saints werenít going to
trade a 3rd round pick to the G-men for a guy set for unrestricted free
agency, so Cofield remains.</p>


Couple the Cofield deal (that never was) to more rumors that the
Giants and Jaguars talked quite a bit about DT John Henderson, but
ultimately couldnít agree on compensation for the deal (Iíll give it to
Jerry on this one, why pay a draft pick, even a 5th rounder, for a guy
you expect to be cut after the draft). Predictably, the Jaguars did
just that, cutting the long-time defensive tackle, making Henderson an
unrestricted free agent. So, the big question remains, are the Giants
going to move Cofield?</p>


Reports indicate that the Giants have been in touch with Hendersonís
agent and that a visit is planned (see Chris Canty, Michael Boley, and
Antrel Rolle), when Jerry brings in a free agent he likes, the free
agent doesnít leave without a contract. Henderson would be a nice
addition, great size, very good against the run, commands double teams
(even if at this stage in his career, he is not exactly what you would
call a pass rusher). If Henderson is brought on board, surely that
means the end of free agent bust Rocky Bernard (and Cofield might also
become expendable as well).</p>


Add in big John Henderson to Canty, a recovering Jay Alford (expected
to be 100% healthy for training camp), 2nd Round draft choice Linval
Joseph (not to mention undrafted free agent Nate Collins who we like
very much), and consider that Justin Tuck will likely see time at
defensive tackle on passing downs, not a lot of playing time to go
around. Still, Cofield is solid against the run and plays hard on every
snap, and he showed signs of full recovery from knee microfracture
surgery towards the end of the year.</p>
Our Take: Jerry Reese will try to reel in big John Henderson whose
size andstrength would be a perfect fit in a situational/rotational role
on the d-line. As much as we like Barry Cofield, it looks like the
Giants are not opening the check book to keep him, so my guess is he is
out if Henderson is in.

finally a lil common sense

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 12:10 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red
dammit, you know me too well.

so anyway why cant i sell the giants my 3rd and steve smith shirt idea? like give me 30 percent of the profits


u can suggest it to them, but if they like it u'll pay the 30 bucks to buy it form them with the official nfl liscence on it
wait what? why would i have to give them money? no i want them to sell the product, im just selling the idea and just want 30 percent on the profits.



how would u prove u sold the idea to them?
no clue. thats why im asking for help. gotta set up a meeting with mr mara cause tishe is a ****** and will steal my idea.
how do people go about this? like the guy that made the windsheild wiper.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:13 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red
dammit, you know me too well.

so anyway why cant i sell the giants my 3rd and steve smith shirt idea? like give me 30 percent of the profits


u can suggest it to them, but if they like it u'll pay the 30 bucks to buy it form them with the official nfl liscence on it
wait what? why would i have to give them money? no i want them to sell the product, im just selling the idea and just want 30 percent on the profits.



how would u prove u sold the idea to them?
no clue. thats why im asking for help. gotta set up a meeting with mr mara cause tishe is a ****** and will steal my idea.
how do people go about this? like the guy that made the windsheild wiper.


u'd prolly get like 5 percent of profit lol

ur better off doing it urself and flipping them urself..

byron
04-28-2010, 12:24 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</P>


Who would you replace him with?</P> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position


theirs are a lot of people saying that **** Matt..aaaah well...I just don't see it that way...I like kool--aid but I ain't drinking that ****

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:24 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AruTZkENCEIg77NMj9h7jS4RvLYF?slug=ti-posada042710

this article is sick

bigblue4417
04-28-2010, 12:24 PM
Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees are only the fifth-most despised
team in the majors, according to an Internet algorithm built by Nielsen
Co. that analyzes how people feel about certain things. This service
typically uses various keywords to find out whether people have
positive, negative or neutral reactions to different brands and
products. No team registered a negative mark on Nielsen's "sentiment
scale," which ranges from -5 to 5, but the Yankees (1.8) were one of
only six teams to score lower than 2. The Mets finished four spots
higher, making them the ninth most-hated team. "Even Yankee fans don't
hate the Mets these days," says Benjamin Kabak, a writer for the River
Avenue Blues Yankees blog. "We just feel bad for them."The good news for
the Yankees is that their low score is better than the only team that
really matters: The rival Boston Red Sox, who are the second
most-despised team.

<h3 class="first">The Hatred Index</h3>

Using an
algorithm designed by Nielsen Co. that measures positive and negative
reactions on the Internet, here are the 10 most despised teams in
baseball (scale is -5 to 5).</p>
<table width="100%"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top"> Team
</td><td align="left" valign="top">
Score </td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">1. Cleveland Indians</td><td align="left" valign="top">0.9</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">2. Boston Red Sox</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.1</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">3. Cincinnati Reds</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.5</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">4 Houston Astros</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.8</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">5. New York Yankees</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.8</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">6. Washington Nationals</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.9</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">7. Chicago White Sox</td><td align="left" valign="top">2</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">8. Baltimore Orioles</td><td align="left" valign="top">2</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">9. New York Mets</td><td align="left" valign="top">2.3</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">10. Los Angeles Dodgers</td><td align="left" valign="top">2.4</td></tr></tbody></table>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:27 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position


theirs are a lot of people saying that **** Matt..aaaah well...I just don't see it that way...I like kool--aid but I ain't drinking that ****

yea man, i dont care how good ur front 4 are. U need somebody who is going to make read, take correct steps to get there and not over pursue

ny06
04-28-2010, 12:29 PM
Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees are only the fifth-most despised
team in the majors, according to an Internet algorithm built by Nielsen
Co. that analyzes how people feel about certain things. This service
typically uses various keywords to find out whether people have
positive, negative or neutral reactions to different brands and
products. No team registered a negative mark on Nielsen's "sentiment
scale," which ranges from -5 to 5, but the Yankees (1.8) were one of
only six teams to score lower than 2. The Mets finished four spots
higher, making them the ninth most-hated team. "Even Yankee fans don't
hate the Mets these days," says Benjamin Kabak, a writer for the River
Avenue Blues Yankees blog. "We just feel bad for them."The good news for
the Yankees is that their low score is better than the only team that
really matters: The rival Boston Red Sox, who are the second
most-despised team.

<h3 class="first">The Hatred Index</h3>

Using an
algorithm designed by Nielsen Co. that measures positive and negative
reactions on the Internet, here are the 10 most despised teams in
baseball (scale is -5 to 5).</p>
<table width="100%"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top"> Team
</td><td align="left" valign="top">
Score </td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">1. Cleveland Indians</td><td align="left" valign="top">0.9</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">2. Boston Red Sox</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.1</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">3. Cincinnati Reds</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.5</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">4 Houston Astros</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.8</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">5. New York Yankees</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.8</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">6. Washington Nationals</td><td align="left" valign="top">1.9</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">7. Chicago White Sox</td><td align="left" valign="top">2</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">8. Baltimore Orioles</td><td align="left" valign="top">2</td></tr>
<tr class="even"><td align="left" valign="top">9. New York Mets</td><td align="left" valign="top">2.3</td></tr>
<tr class="odd"><td align="left" valign="top">10. Los Angeles Dodgers</td><td align="left" valign="top">2.4</td></tr></tbody></table>


that is b.s

There are fans who know nothing about baseball or the Yankees and they hate them.

Trust me I do not want the Yankees to be the most hated, but being a fan of the Yankees for a long time it comes with the territory. Opposing fans hate us.


Who the hell cares about the Indians and Reds?

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 12:34 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AruTZkENCEIg77NMj9h7jS4RvLYF?slug=ti-posada042710

this article is sick
</P>


wow i was in the middle of reading that when you posted it...not done yet! brb! lol</P>

byron
04-28-2010, 12:37 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</P>


Who would you replace him with?</P> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position


theirs are a lot of people saying that **** Matt..aaaah well...I just don't see it that way...I like kool--aid but I ain't drinking that ****

yea man, i dont care how good ur front 4 are. U need somebody who is going to make read, take correct steps to get there and not over pursue
lets hope the Giants front =The wall

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 12:41 PM
Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees are only the fifth-most despised team in the majors, according to an Internet algorithm built by Nielsen Co. that analyzes how people feel about certain things. This service typically uses various keywords to find out whether people have positive, negative or neutral reactions to different brands and products. No team registered a negative mark on Nielsen's "sentiment scale," which ranges from -5 to 5, but the Yankees (1.8) were one of only six teams to score lower than 2. The Mets finished four spots higher, making them the ninth most-hated team. "Even Yankee fans don't hate the Mets these days," says Benjamin Kabak, a writer for the River Avenue Blues Yankees blog. "We just feel bad for them."The good news for the Yankees is that their low score is better than the only team that really matters: The rival Boston Red Sox, who are the second most-despised team.


<H3 class=first>The Hatred Index</H3>


Using an algorithm designed by Nielsen Co. that measures positive and negative reactions on the Internet, here are the 10 most despised teams in baseball (scale is -5 to 5).</P>
<TABLE width="100%">
<TBODY>
<TR class=odd>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>Team </TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>Score </TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>1. Cleveland Indians</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>0.9</TD></TR>
<TR class=odd>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>2. Boston Red Sox</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>1.1</TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>3. Cincinnati Reds</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>1.5</TD></TR>
<TR class=odd>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>4 Houston Astros</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>1.8</TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>5. New York Yankees</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>1.8</TD></TR>
<TR class=odd>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>6. Washington Nationals</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>1.9</TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>7. Chicago White Sox</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>2</TD></TR>
<TR class=odd>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>8. Baltimore Orioles</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>2</TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>9. New York Mets</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>2.3</TD></TR>
<TR class=odd>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>10. Los Angeles Dodgers</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left>2.4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



that is b.s There are fans who know nothing about baseball or the Yankees and they hate them. Trust me I do not want the Yankees to be the most hated, but being a fan of the Yankees for a long time it comes with the territory. Opposing fans hate us. Who the hell cares about the Indians and Reds?</P>


lol an algorithm? really??
nobody hates cleveland or cinci...just like you said....i dont even know what any of this means...

DELETE IT LANDO!</P>


lol</P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 12:42 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 12:43 PM
Ahhh...El Duque!! I remember when we kept getting these no-namers touted as the next big thing, and it was so exciting back then. Like when had Irabu, and then El Duque....kinda reminds meof the Aroldis Chapman thing this year........,..good read!</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 12:45 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.
</P>


well....dont include me on that list...</P>


my mom always told me I wasnt allowed to quit my job till I found a new one first. lol

Dont get rid of your only MLB without getting a replacement first. lol at least then we'd have closure haha</P>

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 12:46 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.
</P>


he was also a leader and had earned TONS of respect from fans and players which is crutial at the mlb spot... you def need one or the other.</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 12:48 PM
Tue, Apr 27
<P id=yui-tmp-2>Sheets allowed eight runs on nine hits in four innings against the Rays Tuesday to take the loss.


Recommendation: Sheets struggled with his pitch count, and he struggled to throw strikes. He threw 78 pitches to get his 12 outs, more than 30 of which came in a lethal second inning. He allowed home runs to Pat Burrell and Reid Brignac, but Sheets had been good with the longball entering this game (no HR's allowed since April 5).</P>


<CITE>(Rotowire.com)</CITE></P>


<CITE><FONT face="Courier New">Not that I care Matt, but even we havent seen an outting that terrible yet. lol =D</FONT></CITE></P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 12:50 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
sure we do. osi.


u forgot to put that in red
dammit, you know me too well.

so anyway why cant i sell the giants my 3rd and steve smith shirt idea? like give me 30 percent of the profits


u can suggest it to them, but if they like it u'll pay the 30 bucks to buy it form them with the official nfl liscence on it
wait what? why would i have to give them money? no i want them to sell the product, im just selling the idea and just want 30 percent on the profits.



how would u prove u sold the idea to them?
no clue. thats why im asking for help. gotta set up a meeting with mr mara cause tishe is a ****** and will steal my idea.
how do people go about this? like the guy that made the windsheild wiper.


u'd prolly get like 5 percent of profit lol

ur better off doing it urself and flipping them urself..
laaame. whatever. if you do it, ill kill ya. hahaha

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 12:52 PM
Just STFU and make me a ****ing shirt, Dezz!!!......................****!!!!</P>


lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:53 PM
Tue, Apr 27
<p id="yui-tmp-2">Sheets allowed eight runs on nine hits in four innings against the Rays Tuesday to take the loss.
</p>

Recommendation: Sheets struggled with his pitch count, and he struggled to throw strikes. He threw 78 pitches to get his 12 outs, more than 30 of which came in a lethal second inning. He allowed home runs to Pat Burrell and Reid Brignac, but Sheets had been good with the longball entering this game (no HR's allowed since April 5).</p>


<cite>(Rotowire.com)</cite></p>


<cite><font face="Courier New">Not that I care Matt, but even we havent seen an outting that terrible yet. lol =D</font></cite></p>

while Sheets had the worse outing, 5 runs in 3.1 innings is in the same catagory of terrible...

and Vaz also had 3 other bad outings

shocknaweny
04-28-2010, 12:56 PM
Hey everybody we're coming up on 4000 pages it looks like....!!!

bandwgn86
04-28-2010, 12:56 PM
afternoon people!afternoon to you too sir.. </P>


</P>


now isthat so hard people!! you all suck </P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 12:57 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position


theirs are a lot of people saying that **** Matt..aaaah well...I just don't see it that way...I like kool--aid but I ain't drinking that ****

yea man, i dont care how good ur front 4 are. U need somebody who is going to make read, take correct steps to get there and not over pursue
you know, i think boley should start in the middle and have the young guns play strong and weak. feel free to tear me to shreads but its better then anything you losers can come up with [:O]

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 12:58 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 12:58 PM
afternoon people!afternoon to you too sir.. </p>


</p>


now isthat so hard people!! you all suck </p>lol whats popin blood?

byron
04-28-2010, 12:59 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.
don't confuse me with them people.. please..and whats the argument here...do we have a better chance to win with a Mlb that can play the game or with one that can't get it done... its not about winning an argument here its about the Giantswinning games for me...and I think a mlb is problem that I hope gets fixed...

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:00 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position


theirs are a lot of people saying that **** Matt..aaaah well...I just don't see it that way...I like kool--aid but I ain't drinking that ****

yea man, i dont care how good ur front 4 are. U need somebody who is going to make read, take correct steps to get there and not over pursue
you know, i think boley should start in the middle and have the young guns play strong and weak. feel free to tear me to shreads but its better then anything you losers can come up with [:O]


good call. lets put a coverage LB in at MLB

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 01:00 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:02 PM
afternoon people!afternoon to you too sir.. </P>


</P>


now isthat so hard people!! you all suck </P>


</P>


lmao...simple posts like mine and yours go easily unnoticed when there are block quote posts the length of a page. RIDICULOUS!!!!</P>

bandwgn86
04-28-2010, 01:03 PM
afternoon people!afternoon to you too sir.. </P>


</P>


now isthat so hard people!! you all suck </P>


lol whats popin blood?
not much you.. sorry bout that i've got middle child syndrome</P>


i see the Bankees lost to Baltimore last night.. </P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:04 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:04 PM
afternoon people!afternoon to you too sir.. </P>


</P>


now isthat so hard people!! you all suck </P>


lol whats popin blood?
</P>


youre poopin blood? dude, you should get that checked out!</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:04 PM
afternoon people!afternoon to you too sir.. </p>


</p>


now isthat so hard people!! you all suck </p>


lol whats popin blood?
not much you.. sorry bout that i've got middle child syndrome</p>


i see the Bankees lost to Baltimore last night.. </p>

i knew hughes wasn't seeing 7

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 01:05 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position


theirs are a lot of people saying that **** Matt..aaaah well...I just don't see it that way...I like kool--aid but I ain't drinking that ****

yea man, i dont care how good ur front 4 are. U need somebody who is going to make read, take correct steps to get there and not over pursue
you know, i think boley should start in the middle and have the young guns play strong and weak. feel free to tear me to shreads but its better then anything you losers can come up with [:O]


good call. lets put a coverage LB in at MLB
"feel free to tear me to shreads but its better then anything you losers can come up with"
point proven.
who cares if hes a "coverage lb" saw him in the backfield quite a few times last year.
since you like to label everything and everyone i got you a present.
http://linkpp.co.uk/shop/images/5100spec.jpg

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:08 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 01:09 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:10 PM
Byron -

infact i'd say we're even less aggresive with Pierce gone. He may of been on the decline but he had an attitude to him... thats something we dont have
no doubt in my mind Matt he got in peoples faces...what we had last year was a bunch guyshanging their headsor throwing their hands in the air looking at each other...this ain't about the draft and the front office to me.. imo we need a replacement forPierce if we don't have one on this team we are in trouble....just the wayfell about it ..I don't see anyone that comes close to his playI hope I'm wrong</p>


Who would you replace him with?</p> When they didn't do it in the draft I throught Morrison would have got us through....till next years draft....look it seems to me you are aruging in defence of the front office and what they done... fine ....I'm aruging we need a MLB that can play some where close to Pierces level...now ...do we have a guy? will we get a guy? time will tell ...I'm in over my head here...I done...answer this do you think we need a Mlb?

i'll answer it for him cuz i've already asked him a couple of times:

he says no we dont need a MLB we're fine with what we have and MLB isn't that important of a position


theirs are a lot of people saying that **** Matt..aaaah well...I just don't see it that way...I like kool--aid but I ain't drinking that ****

yea man, i dont care how good ur front 4 are. U need somebody who is going to make read, take correct steps to get there and not over pursue
you know, i think boley should start in the middle and have the young guns play strong and weak. feel free to tear me to shreads but its better then anything you losers can come up with [:O]


good call. lets put a coverage LB in at MLB
"feel free to tear me to shreads but its better then anything you losers can come up with"
point proven.
who cares if hes a "coverage lb" saw him in the backfield quite a few times last year.
since you like to label everything and everyone i got you a present.
http://linkpp.co.uk/shop/images/5100spec.jpg


Boley is in our dewfense because of his coverage skills. So they will line him up on the TEs most of the time.

You need somebody in the middle that can play the run and tackle...

Pierce was horrible against the pass and our de was still good, because we had a balance of somebody able to attack the run. Stop trying to figure out ways to bridge the gap at MLB by playing madden, it doesn't work in real life, lol

so then who would we put at Will then if we move Boley?

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:12 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:14 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 01:16 PM
Just STFU and make me a ****ing shirt, Dezz!!!......................****!!!!</p>


lol</p>matts deff gonna steal my idea. he has the drive to get it done, i have some bangin *** bud

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 01:20 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

how do you know? hes got the size. definitely has the speed, strength....id be willing to make the move....you forgetting well be running a 3 safety formation too, so technically he WILL be mlb.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:20 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</P>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</P>

ny06
04-28-2010, 01:28 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</P>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</P>

I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles.

His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 01:28 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.


matt, are you listening to yourself? your point about drafting a mlber high or making a move for one just contridicted this point now, you just said boley can be a leader and has knowledge. and you just said 4 pages back we didnt have that. i responded with my osi remark.

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:33 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</P>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</P>


I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles. His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.</P>


lol shutup, you get my point!!</P>

ny06
04-28-2010, 01:34 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</P>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</P>


I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles. His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.</P>


lol shutup, you get my point!!</P>

lol

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 01:34 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:47 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

how do you know? hes got the size. definitely has the speed, strength....id be willing to make the move....you forgetting well be running a 3 safety formation too, so technically he WILL be mlb.


yea i guess with the three saftey defense... but i mean honestly how ofter are we going to be in this formation

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:49 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.


matt, are you listening to yourself? your point about drafting a mlber high or making a move for one just contridicted this point now, you just said boley can be a leader and has knowledge. and you just said 4 pages back we didnt have that. i responded with my osi remark.



i said he could be the general, as in call the defense

still isn't strong against the run and still isn't nasty

You need a MLB for the run..

Pierce brought us nastiness and leadership which made up for his lack of pass coverage

He also ran the defense with calls and audibles... Boley did a pretty decent job of it last year,, but just because he did that it doesnt mean hes nasty, good against the run, or a leader in the sense that we're talking.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:50 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.


matt, are you listening to yourself? your point about drafting a mlber high or making a move for one just contridicted this point now, you just said boley can be a leader and has knowledge. and you just said 4 pages back we didnt have that. i responded with my osi remark.



i said he could be the general, as in call the defense

still isn't strong against the run and still isn't nasty

You need a MLB for the run..

Pierce brought us nastiness and leadership which made up for his lack of pass coverage

He also ran the defense with calls and audibles... Boley did a pretty decent job of it last year,, but just because he did that it doesnt mean hes nasty, good against the run, or a leader in the sense that we're talking.

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:52 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>


I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles. His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.</p>


lol shutup, you get my point!!</p>

tackles = most useless stats in history of sports

i love when people try n judge a dback by their tackles lol

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:52 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.


no, i'd prefer Goff starting over Boley 10 out of 10 times at MLB

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:54 PM
lol i just called to order my lunch from accross the street</P>


-yea can iorder for pick up?the lunch special the turkey, cheddar, bacon panini? no tomatoes.
-ok, the fries are ok with it?
-yea thats fine
-tomatoes?
-no, no tomatoes please.
-fries?
-uhhhh yea, i said fries were ok
-ok but did you want the tomatoes?
-ummm im sorry....i cant tell if youre ****ing with me or not...no tomatoes....fries are fine...
-ummm ok...jeez...15 mins. click</P>


</P>


wtf??? yea....i have no idea waht that was about...</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:56 PM
lol i just called to order my lunch from accross the street</p>


-yea can iorder for pick up?the lunch special the turkey, cheddar, bacon panini? no tomatoes.
-ok, the fries are ok with it?
-yea thats fine
-tomatoes?
-no, no tomatoes please.
-fries?
-uhhhh yea, i said fries were ok
-ok but did you want the tomatoes?
-ummm im sorry....i cant tell if youre ****ing with me or not...no tomatoes....fries are fine...
-ummm ok...jeez...15 mins. click</p>


</p>


wtf??? yea....i have no idea waht that was about...</p>

yyyyyyyyyyyea...

i wouldn't eat whatever u ordered from there...

i never mouth off to people that handle my food... however justified or minimal it woiuld be. I know toooo many people in the food service industry

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:57 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</P>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</P>


I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles. His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.</P>


lol shutup, you get my point!!</P>




tackles = most useless stats in history of sports

i love when people try n judge a dback by their tackles lol
</P>


uhhh.....if it were a dback, i'd agree...but for a LB it's a little different! the more tackles, the less plays that were further developed.
a good LB will make tackles....
i mean, i see your point.....but it's not a useless stat....</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 01:58 PM
lol i just called to order my lunch from accross the street</P>


-yea can iorder for pick up?the lunch special the turkey, cheddar, bacon panini? no tomatoes.
-ok, the fries are ok with it?
-yea thats fine
-tomatoes?
-no, no tomatoes please.
-fries?
-uhhhh yea, i said fries were ok
-ok but did you want the tomatoes?
-ummm im sorry....i cant tell if youre ****ing with me or not...no tomatoes....fries are fine...
-ummm ok...jeez...15 mins. click</P>


</P>


wtf??? yea....i have no idea waht that was about...</P>




yyyyyyyyyyyea...

i wouldn't eat whatever u ordered from there...

i never mouth off to people that handle my food... however justified or minimal it woiuld be. I know toooo many people in the food service industry
</P>


for serial, yo...</P>


im going to dunkin donuts. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:58 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>


I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles. His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.</p>


lol shutup, you get my point!!</p>




tackles = most useless stats in history of sports

i love when people try n judge a dback by their tackles lol
</p>


uhhh.....if it were a dback, i'd agree...but for a LB it's a little different! the more tackles, the less plays that were further developed.
a good LB will make tackles....
i mean, i see your point.....but it's not a useless stat....</p>

yea, but theres a difference at making a tackle at the line of scrimmage or 5 yards down field... that is something that doesnt show in the stats of tackles

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 01:59 PM
lol i just called to order my lunch from accross the street</p>


-yea can iorder for pick up?the lunch special the turkey, cheddar, bacon panini? no tomatoes.
-ok, the fries are ok with it?
-yea thats fine
-tomatoes?
-no, no tomatoes please.
-fries?
-uhhhh yea, i said fries were ok
-ok but did you want the tomatoes?
-ummm im sorry....i cant tell if youre ****ing with me or not...no tomatoes....fries are fine...
-ummm ok...jeez...15 mins. click</p>


</p>


wtf??? yea....i have no idea waht that was about...</p>




yyyyyyyyyyyea...

i wouldn't eat whatever u ordered from there...

i never mouth off to people that handle my food... however justified or minimal it woiuld be. I know toooo many people in the food service industry
</p>


for serial, yo...</p>


im going to dunkin donuts. lol</p>

lol

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 02:00 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</P>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</P>


I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles. His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.</P>


lol shutup, you get my point!!</P>




tackles = most useless stats in history of sports

i love when people try n judge a dback by their tackles lol
</P>


uhhh.....if it were a dback, i'd agree...but for a LB it's a little different! the more tackles, the less plays that were further developed.
a good LB will make tackles....
i mean, i see your point.....but it's not a useless stat....</P>




yea, but theres a difference at making a tackle at the line of scrimmage or 5 yards down field... that is something that doesnt show in the stats of tackles
</P>


well I can only assume we signed boley because of his performance, not his stats....
I'd say the guy worked out for the most part last season.

my main point was, I'd feel more comfortable with a guy who can make plays at MLB, rather than someone whos sat on the bench....butttt to each their own.

Arrright, be back in a bit.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:02 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>


I don't think Boley ever was close to leading the league in tackles. His best statistical season was in 07. I think he had about 109 tackles.</p>


lol shutup, you get my point!!</p>




tackles = most useless stats in history of sports

i love when people try n judge a dback by their tackles lol
</p>


uhhh.....if it were a dback, i'd agree...but for a LB it's a little different! the more tackles, the less plays that were further developed.
a good LB will make tackles....
i mean, i see your point.....but it's not a useless stat....</p>




yea, but theres a difference at making a tackle at the line of scrimmage or 5 yards down field... that is something that doesnt show in the stats of tackles
</p>


well I can only assume we signed boley because of his performance, not his stats....
I'd say the guy worked out for the most part last season.

my main point was, I'd feel more comfortable with a guy who can make plays at MLB, rather than someone whos sat on the bench....butttt to each their own.

Arrright, be back in a bit.</p>

we signed boley because hes decent enough at his run responsibility but is one of the best cover LBs in the game

MLB is a totally different position than WLB. Boley doesn't have to be as aggressive as would be required at MLB.

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 02:05 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.


matt, are you listening to yourself? your point about drafting a mlber high or making a move for one just contridicted this point now, you just said boley can be a leader and has knowledge. and you just said 4 pages back we didnt have that. i responded with my osi remark.



i said he could be the general, as in call the defense

still isn't strong against the run and still isn't nasty

You need a MLB for the run..

Pierce brought us nastiness and leadership which made up for his lack of pass coverage

He also ran the defense with calls and audibles... Boley did a pretty decent job of it last year,, but just because he did that it doesnt mean hes nasty, good against the run, or a leader in the sense that we're talking.
buuuuuut this whole week your arguments been we dont have a guy that can call the plays at before the snap ............with our line we dont need a ray lewis, speed and range will do just fine.

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:08 PM
Boley's going to play MLB on passing downs as he will be the only LBer on the field in those situations. Having Goff or whomever play middle on 1st and 2nd down is no big deal.</P>


</P>


Also as for Pierce...by the term "nasty" do you mean piling on 5 minutes after the whistle and getting a penalty?</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:11 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.


matt, are you listening to yourself? your point about drafting a mlber high or making a move for one just contridicted this point now, you just said boley can be a leader and has knowledge. and you just said 4 pages back we didnt have that. i responded with my osi remark.



i said he could be the general, as in call the defense

still isn't strong against the run and still isn't nasty

You need a MLB for the run..

Pierce brought us nastiness and leadership which made up for his lack of pass coverage

He also ran the defense with calls and audibles... Boley did a pretty decent job of it last year,, but just because he did that it doesnt mean hes nasty, good against the run, or a leader in the sense that we're talking.
buuuuuut this whole week your arguments been we dont have a guy that can call the plays at before the snap ............with our line we dont need a ray lewis, speed and range will do just fine.


no it hasn't

u go find a single post where i said that

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:16 PM
Boley's going to play MLB on passing downs as he will be the only LBer on the field in those situations. Having Goff or whomever play middle on 1st and 2nd down is no big deal.</p>


</p>


Also as for Pierce...by the term "nasty" do you mean piling on 5 minutes after the whistle and getting a penalty?</p>

actually yea.. i mean somebody who brings the wood a lil bit, plays with a lil fire, gets in lil fights after the play...

dont start this all of a sudden Pierce never did anything for us except late hits and bad coverage...

how soon we forget

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:19 PM
Boley's going to play MLB on passing downs as he will be the only LBer on the field in those situations. Having Goff or whomever play middle on 1st and 2nd down is no big deal.</P>


</P>


Also as for Pierce...by the term "nasty" do you mean piling on 5 minutes after the whistle and getting a penalty?</P>




actually yea.. i mean somebody who brings the wood a lil bit, plays with a lil fire, gets in lil fights after the play...

dont start this all of a sudden Pierce never did anything for us except late hits and bad coverage...

how soon we forget
</P>


</P>


The last 2 years Pierce has been pretty ****ty andhe was the least of your worries then, now with better players built around whomever our MLB is going to be you become anxious? Doesn't make much sense. You forget that defense was awful even with Pierce out there. Our D was bad because of our pass rush and deep ball play. MLB play was pretty much irrelevant.</P>

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 02:21 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.


no, i'd prefer Goff starting over Boley 10 out of 10 times at MLB
your thought process on this issue is mind boggling.....your going up and down reese for not getting a mlb, and youd be against putting the best lber we have in middle?

id rather have a weak side line backer with exp. be move to the middle. the younger guys are fast enough to cover tightends and hbs coming out of the flat.

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:23 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</P>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</P>


given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.


no, i'd prefer Goff starting over Boley 10 out of 10 times at MLB
your thought process on this issue is mind boggling.....your going up and down reese for not getting a mlb, and youd be against putting the best lber we have in middle?

id rather have a weak side line backer with exp. be move to the middle. the younger guys are fast enough to cover tightends and hbs coming out of the flat.
</P>


</P>


also dont forget MMB would have liked for us to take Weatherspoon who would have been a WLB moving to MLB, the same thing he is against a VET doing. hmmmmmmmmmm</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:23 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.


no, i'd prefer Goff starting over Boley 10 out of 10 times at MLB
your thought process on this issue is mind boggling.....your going up and down reese for not getting a mlb, and youd be against putting the best lber we have in middle?

id rather have a weak side line backer with exp. be move to the middle. the younger guys are fast enough to cover tightends and hbs coming out of the flat.


yes because this isn't Madden 2010 and u can just switch LBers with no worry, its a different position and Boley isn't aggressive enough for the middle. Hes also 20-25 pounds under weight.. its ridiculous dez

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:24 PM
Boley is like 235-240

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 02:26 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.


matt, are you listening to yourself? your point about drafting a mlber high or making a move for one just contridicted this point now, you just said boley can be a leader and has knowledge. and you just said 4 pages back we didnt have that. i responded with my osi remark.



i said he could be the general, as in call the defense

still isn't strong against the run and still isn't nasty

You need a MLB for the run..

Pierce brought us nastiness and leadership which made up for his lack of pass coverage

He also ran the defense with calls and audibles... Boley did a pretty decent job of it last year,, but just because he did that it doesnt mean hes nasty, good against the run, or a leader in the sense that we're talking.
buuuuuut this whole week your arguments been we dont have a guy that can call the plays at before the snap ............with our line we dont need a ray lewis, speed and range will do just fine.


no it hasn't

u go find a single post where i said that
ugh fine. actually give me a few i gotta get some work done
i know for a fact the words"we dont have leader, experience no voice" as if thats in the mlbs job description. someone please stop me if im wrong...besides matt. [:)]

dezzzR
04-28-2010, 02:28 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.


no, i'd prefer Goff starting over Boley 10 out of 10 times at MLB
your thought process on this issue is mind boggling.....your going up and down reese for not getting a mlb, and youd be against putting the best lber we have in middle?

id rather have a weak side line backer with exp. be move to the middle. the younger guys are fast enough to cover tightends and hbs coming out of the flat.


yes because this isn't Madden 2010 and u can just switch LBers with no worry, its a different position and Boley isn't aggressive enough for the middle. Hes also 20-25 pounds under weight.. its ridiculous dez
stop trying to play it off like its never happened before and it only happens in madden. and hes not underweight......your reasons why we shouldnt move him suuuck.[:D]

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:28 PM
Boley's going to play MLB on passing downs as he will be the only LBer on the field in those situations. Having Goff or whomever play middle on 1st and 2nd down is no big deal.</p>


</p>


Also as for Pierce...by the term "nasty" do you mean piling on 5 minutes after the whistle and getting a penalty?</p>




actually yea.. i mean somebody who brings the wood a lil bit, plays with a lil fire, gets in lil fights after the play...

dont start this all of a sudden Pierce never did anything for us except late hits and bad coverage...

how soon we forget
</p>


</p>


The last 2 years Pierce has been pretty ****ty andhe was the least of your worries then, now with better players built around whomever our MLB is going to be you become anxious? Doesn't make much sense. You forget that defense was awful even with Pierce out there. Our D was bad because of our pass rush and deep ball play. MLB play was pretty much irrelevant.</p>

Pierce wasn't ****ty in 08 against the run... against the pass, he was putrid

we had a top 5 defense in 08 and it was in part to our ability to defend both the run and the pass... and AP was a huge part of the success vs the run

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:31 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>


given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.


no, i'd prefer Goff starting over Boley 10 out of 10 times at MLB
your thought process on this issue is mind boggling.....your going up and down reese for not getting a mlb, and youd be against putting the best lber we have in middle?

id rather have a weak side line backer with exp. be move to the middle. the younger guys are fast enough to cover tightends and hbs coming out of the flat.
</p>


</p>


also dont forget MMB would have liked for us to take Weatherspoon who would have been a WLB moving to MLB, the same thing he is against a VET doing. hmmmmmmmmmm</p>

again ur wrong sir... he lpays the other OLB spot and was scouted as being able to play the middle.. and is also 250

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:34 PM
Boley's going to play MLB on passing downs as he will be the only LBer on the field in those situations. Having Goff or whomever play middle on 1st and 2nd down is no big deal.</P>


</P>


Also as for Pierce...by the term "nasty" do you mean piling on 5 minutes after the whistle and getting a penalty?</P>




actually yea.. i mean somebody who brings the wood a lil bit, plays with a lil fire, gets in lil fights after the play...

dont start this all of a sudden Pierce never did anything for us except late hits and bad coverage...

how soon we forget
</P>


</P>


The last 2 years Pierce has been pretty ****ty andhe was the least of your worries then, now with better players built around whomever our MLB is going to be you become anxious? Doesn't make much sense. You forget that defense was awful even with Pierce out there. Our D was bad because of our pass rush and deep ball play. MLB play was pretty much irrelevant.</P>




Pierce wasn't ****ty in 08 against the run... against the pass, he was putrid

we had a top 5 defense in 08 and it was in part to our ability to defend both the run and the pass... and AP was a huge part of the success vs the run
</P>


I'm so happy that you brought up 08.</P>


Our DL got worn out and hurt by the end of the year and thats why we fell apart. Reese is quoted saying as much, which is why we went out and signed Canty and Bernard. It's all about the DL. Not some stupid MLB.</P>


Also to trade up to have landed McClain( a guy that some people doubt will be a 3down LBer for a 43) we would have had to moved to the 7th spot, that is of course assuming that the Browns were willing to trade back with us, but for the sake of argument lets say they were. As per the draft pick value chart we would have had to trade our 1st 2nd and 5th round picks. So we would be trading JPP Joseph and Petrus for McClain, sounds pretty dumb and one-sided if you ask me.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8574 - 223


http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1115/Michael_Boley - 223

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7336/ - 223


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/424703/michael-boley - 223

http://www.giants.com/team/player469.html - 223

hes listed 223 eveywhere. Even if he was 235, i'd say BARE minimum would be 240 to play LB and even that is pushing it

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:38 PM
again ur wrong sir... he lpays the other OLB spot and was scouted as being able to play the middle.. and is also 250
</P>


</P>


cute, are you sure? "As a sophomore, Weatherspoon became a starter at weakside linebacker"</P>


He also weighed in at 239 at the combine. </P>


Remind me again who is wrong?</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:38 PM
i just find it amusing how everyone wanted pierces head, "hes too slow, sucks in coverage"........now we cant win without him???or a player like him. amazing.


so how many stupid pills did you and moorehead ACTUALLY take today

again.. show me ONCE where anybody was talking about somebody picking up his pass coverage or speed...

we will miss his run support, leadership, and attitude


really matt? really? after the philly game 2 years ago a HUGE majority here wanted him gone.



and due to what reason was that dezzz.. im not walking u thru this step by step.
?what does that even mean? cause people are ****ing stupid and were harping on that one play......i guess that was the reason......i KNOW you werent high on ap, you said so here a few times.


I wasn't, he was past his prime and he became so slow last year that it was affecting his play vs the run, which is why i said he has to go.

The one play ur referring to was a passing play no? My point of missing pierce has to do with, again, leadership, stopping the run, and attitude.

The one thing that Boley could replace Pierce with is knowledge and helping being the general.


matt, are you listening to yourself? your point about drafting a mlber high or making a move for one just contridicted this point now, you just said boley can be a leader and has knowledge. and you just said 4 pages back we didnt have that. i responded with my osi remark.



i said he could be the general, as in call the defense

still isn't strong against the run and still isn't nasty

You need a MLB for the run..

Pierce brought us nastiness and leadership which made up for his lack of pass coverage

He also ran the defense with calls and audibles... Boley did a pretty decent job of it last year,, but just because he did that it doesnt mean hes nasty, good against the run, or a leader in the sense that we're talking.
buuuuuut this whole week your arguments been we dont have a guy that can call the plays at before the snap ............with our line we dont need a ray lewis, speed and range will do just fine.


no it hasn't

u go find a single post where i said that
ugh fine. actually give me a few i gotta get some work done
i know for a fact the words"we dont have leader, experience no voice" as if thats in the mlbs job description. someone please stop me if im wrong...besides matt. [:)]


lol don't get frustrated cuz ur taking my words and trying to spin them into what u want them to mean. They mean what they mean.

We don't have a leader, but i never said that HAS to be done by MLB.

As for experience, i wanted to bring McClain in to be our guy a rookie, so that don't even make sense

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:39 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8574 - 223


http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1115/Michael_Boley - 223

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7336/ - 223


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/424703/michael-boley - 223

http://www.giants.com/team/player469.html - 223

hes listed 223 eveywhere. Even if he was 235, i'd say BARE minimum would be 240 to play LB and even that is pushing it
</P>


</P>


well, weatherspoon is 239 so i guess he's ****ed.</P>


</P>


Also, noone's listed weight is actually right.... do you think jacobs has been 264lbs since the day he entered the league?</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:39 PM
Well Matt.....if you have NO MLB, I'd prolly recommend putting your best LB at MLB also, lol....
Let the fast guys do their best at coverage...
At the rate we are going with our AMAZING LB core, "doing their best" is about all youre going to see anyway. lol

hes our best LB by default lol... and the things hes good at wouldn't make him a goo dMLB...

u guys have gotta be trying to break my balls
</p>


im not trying to break your balls....but i just did kinda agree with the statement. generally speaking, MLB is one of the most important defensive positions. Boley has speed, strength and smarts....I like him.
If we have fast LBs....i'd feel more comfortable having HIM as a MLB rather than someone whos never been on the field.
And Boley isn't JUST for coverage....i dont remember if it was his rookie year or the year after, but he was among the leaders in tackles that year....you dont lead the league in tackles playing pass coverage every play.....
Im not saying it's an awesome idea, or that it's realistic...just sayin...</p>given the players, its the best scenario. im willing to bet matt would even prefer this over starting goff or ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc i forgot his name.


no, i'd prefer Goff starting over Boley 10 out of 10 times at MLB
your thought process on this issue is mind boggling.....your going up and down reese for not getting a mlb, and youd be against putting the best lber we have in middle?

id rather have a weak side line backer with exp. be move to the middle. the younger guys are fast enough to cover tightends and hbs coming out of the flat.


yes because this isn't Madden 2010 and u can just switch LBers with no worry, its a different position and Boley isn't aggressive enough for the middle. Hes also 20-25 pounds under weight.. its ridiculous dez
stop trying to play it off like its never happened before and it only happens in madden. and hes not underweight......your reasons why we shouldnt move him suuuck.[:D]


u show me a Mlb anywhere that weighs 225 in a 4-3 defense.. hes undersized... truth hurts dezzy

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:43 PM
Boley's going to play MLB on passing downs as he will be the only LBer on the field in those situations. Having Goff or whomever play middle on 1st and 2nd down is no big deal.</p>


</p>


Also as for Pierce...by the term "nasty" do you mean piling on 5 minutes after the whistle and getting a penalty?</p>




actually yea.. i mean somebody who brings the wood a lil bit, plays with a lil fire, gets in lil fights after the play...

dont start this all of a sudden Pierce never did anything for us except late hits and bad coverage...

how soon we forget
</p>


</p>


The last 2 years Pierce has been pretty ****ty andhe was the least of your worries then, now with better players built around whomever our MLB is going to be you become anxious? Doesn't make much sense. You forget that defense was awful even with Pierce out there. Our D was bad because of our pass rush and deep ball play. MLB play was pretty much irrelevant.</p>




Pierce wasn't ****ty in 08 against the run... against the pass, he was putrid

we had a top 5 defense in 08 and it was in part to our ability to defend both the run and the pass... and AP was a huge part of the success vs the run
</p>


I'm so happy that you brought up 08.</p>


Our DL got worn out and hurt by the end of the year and thats why we fell apart. Reese is quoted saying as much, which is why we went out and signed Canty and Bernard. It's all about the DL. Not some stupid MLB.</p>


Also to trade up to have landed McClain( a guy that some people doubt will be a 3down LBer for a 43) we would have had to moved to the 7th spot, that is of course assuming that the Browns were willing to trade back with us, but for the sake of argument lets say they were. As per the draft pick value chart we would have had to trade our 1st 2nd and 5th round picks. So we would be trading JPP Joseph and Petrus for McClain, sounds pretty dumb and one-sided if you ask me.</p>

maybe we should just go back to a 5 man line and bring out an extra saftey and corner and starrt a new defense since linebackers mean nothing lol.

Yes i would of been fine with trading our 1 and 2 for Mcclain. Then we could of just signed henderson and not cut any Dts we currnetly have.

Then since we're so hell bent on adding anothe rDT, in stead of going for Dillard we get Everson Griffen..

i'd say we'd be in 10x better shape than we are

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:47 PM
again ur wrong sir... he lpays the other OLB spot and was scouted as being able to play the middle.. and is also 250
</p>


</p>


cute, are you sure? "As a sophomore, Weatherspoon became a starter at weakside linebacker"</p>


He also weighed in at 239 at the combine. </p>


Remind me again who is wrong?</p>


</p>

240 as a rookie and ur trying to say i'm wrong? You know he would of had to bulk up and his skill set was scouted as being able to play MLB.

the one thing i was wrong with is my lingo, i always mix up weak side and strong side.. Boley is actually a strongside...

weakside LBer is the position that is interchangable with MLB...

Boley is Sam

Weatherspoon was Will

i do apologize i always do that

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:48 PM
maybe we should just go back to a 5 man line and bring out an extra saftey and corner and starrt a new defense since linebackers mean nothing lol.

Yes i would of been fine with trading our 1 and 2 for Mcclain. Then we could of just signed henderson and not cut any Dts we currnetly have.

Then since we're so hell bent on adding anothe rDT, in stead of going for Dillard we get Everson Griffen..

i'd say we'd be in 10x better shape than we are
</P>


couple problems with that.</P>


1. it would have also been our 5th round pick.</P>


2. It wasnt a surefire thing that Henderson was going to be a FA.</P>


3. Everson Griffen was picked before Dillard.</P>


Also------- The best MLBs in the game are between 230-240 LBs, which of course is around what Boley weighs.</P>

<LI>New Orleans MLB Jonathan Vilma 230 lbs.
</LI>
<LI>Tennessee MLB Stephen Tulloch 235 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Indianapolis MLB Gary Brackett 235 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Seattle SLB Leroy Hill 238 lbs.
</LI>
<LI>San Francisco MLB Patrick Willis 240 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Seattle MLB Lofa Tatupu 242 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Oakland MLB Kirk Morrison 240 lbs.</LI>
<LI>St. Louis MLB Will Witherspoon 240 lbs.</LI>
<LI>San Diego ILB Stephen Cooper 235 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Cleveland MLB D'Qwell Jackson 240 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Cincinnati MLB Dhani Jones 240 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Green Bay ILB Nick Barnett 236 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Kansas City MLB Derrick Johnson 242 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Tampa bay MLB Barrett Ruud 241 lbs.</LI>
<LI>Buffalo MLB Paul Posluzny 238 lbs.</LI>

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:49 PM
anyway, off to class, have fun making up stuff mmb

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:50 PM
maybe we should just go back to a 5 man line and bring out an extra saftey and corner and starrt a new defense since linebackers mean nothing lol.

Yes i would of been fine with trading our 1 and 2 for Mcclain. Then we could of just signed henderson and not cut any Dts we currnetly have.

Then since we're so hell bent on adding anothe rDT, in stead of going for Dillard we get Everson Griffen..

i'd say we'd be in 10x better shape than we are
</p>


couple problems with that.</p>


1. it would have also been our 5th round pick.</p>


2. It wasnt a surefire thing that Henderson was going to be a FA.</p>


3. Everson Griffen was picked before Dillard.</p>


Also------- The best MLBs in the game are between 230-240 LBs, which of course is around what Boley weighs.</p>

New Orleans MLB Jonathan Vilma 230 lbs.

Tennessee MLB Stephen Tulloch 235 lbs.
Indianapolis MLB Gary Brackett 235 lbs.
Seattle SLB Leroy Hill 238 lbs.

San Francisco MLB Patrick Willis 240 lbs.
Seattle MLB Lofa Tatupu 242 lbs.
Oakland MLB Kirk Morrison 240 lbs.
St. Louis MLB Will Witherspoon 240 lbs.
San Diego ILB Stephen Cooper 235 lbs.
Cleveland MLB D'Qwell Jackson 240 lbs.
Cincinnati MLB Dhani Jones 240 lbs.
Green Bay ILB Nick Barnett 236 lbs.
Kansas City MLB Derrick Johnson 242 lbs.
Tampa bay MLB Barrett Ruud 241 lbs.
Buffalo MLB Paul Posluzny 238 lbs.

okay 235 would be the minimum... but even still the guys on the low end are playing a 3-4 as INSIDE lbers which are usually smaller than MIDDLE lbers in the 4-3

and also.. regardless if u want to admit it or not, every outlet has Boley at 223

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:50 PM
anyway, off to class, have fun making up stuff mmb

i figured u'd bail and ignore the posts of reality..

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:51 PM
again ur wrong sir... he lpays the other OLB spot and was scouted as being able to play the middle.. and is also 250
</P>


</P>


cute, are you sure? "As a sophomore, Weatherspoon became a starter at weakside linebacker"</P>


He also weighed in at 239 at the combine. </P>


Remind me again who is wrong?</P>


</P>




240 as a rookie and ur trying to say i'm wrong? You know he would of had to bulk up and his skill set was scouted as being able to play MLB.

the one thing i was wrong with is my lingo, i always mix up weak side and strong side.. Boley is actually a strongside...

weakside LBer is the position that is interchangable with MLB...

Boley is Sam

Weatherspoon was Will

i do apologize i always do that
</P>


</P>


wrong again, Boley is a Will, and Clark was our SAM last year.</P>


you said Sean IS 250, not will be 250.</P>


bulking up to 250 might lose him some speed and fluidity as has relatively short arms and isnt overly tall.</P>

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:55 PM
maybe we should just go back to a 5 man line and bring out an extra saftey and corner and starrt a new defense since linebackers mean nothing lol.

Yes i would of been fine with trading our 1 and 2 for Mcclain. Then we could of just signed henderson and not cut any Dts we currnetly have.

Then since we're so hell bent on adding anothe rDT, in stead of going for Dillard we get Everson Griffen..

i'd say we'd be in 10x better shape than we are
</P>


couple problems with that.</P>


1. it would have also been our 5th round pick.</P>


2. It wasnt a surefire thing that Henderson was going to be a FA.</P>


3. Everson Griffen was picked before Dillard.</P>


Also------- The best MLBs in the game are between 230-240 LBs, which of course is around what Boley weighs.</P>

<LI>New Orleans MLB Jonathan Vilma 230 lbs.

<LI>Tennessee MLB Stephen Tulloch 235 lbs.
<LI>Indianapolis MLB Gary Brackett 235 lbs.
<LI>Seattle SLB Leroy Hill 238 lbs.

<LI>San Francisco MLB Patrick Willis 240 lbs.
<LI>Seattle MLB Lofa Tatupu 242 lbs.
<LI>Oakland MLB Kirk Morrison 240 lbs.
<LI>St. Louis MLB Will Witherspoon 240 lbs.
<LI>San Diego ILB Stephen Cooper 235 lbs.
<LI>Cleveland MLB D'Qwell Jackson 240 lbs.
<LI>Cincinnati MLB Dhani Jones 240 lbs.
<LI>Green Bay ILB Nick Barnett 236 lbs.
<LI>Kansas City MLB Derrick Johnson 242 lbs.
<LI>Tampa bay MLB Barrett Ruud 241 lbs.
<LI>Buffalo MLB Paul Posluzny 238 lbs.</LI>




okay 235 would be the minimum... <FONT size=5>but even still the guys on the low end are playing a 3-4 as INSIDE lbers which are usually smaller than MIDDLE lbers in the 4-3
</FONT>
and also.. regardless if u want to admit it or not, every outlet has Boley at 223
</P>


Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why do you think no RAVEN STEELER OR PATRIOT LBers are on that list.</P>


There are 3 34 MLB on that entire list???? In general terms 34 MLBs are SUPPOSED to be bigger than 43 MLBs because they have have less ground to cover and are supposed to take up blockers....Why do you think I said Spikes would go to a 34 and he in fact did.</P>


Matt, sorry, but you talk out of your *** way too much.</P>

lawl
04-28-2010, 02:55 PM
anyway, off to class, have fun making up stuff mmb

i figured u'd bail and ignore the posts of reality..


</P>


</P>


good luck with my last 2 posts, now off to class! [;)]</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 02:56 PM
so far lawl, u've denied the size of Boley.. confused will and sam like me and been proven wrong yet somehow still think ur right?

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 03:00 PM
maybe we should just go back to a 5 man line and bring out an extra saftey and corner and starrt a new defense since linebackers mean nothing lol.

Yes i would of been fine with trading our 1 and 2 for Mcclain. Then we could of just signed henderson and not cut any Dts we currnetly have.

Then since we're so hell bent on adding anothe rDT, in stead of going for Dillard we get Everson Griffen..

i'd say we'd be in 10x better shape than we are
</p>


couple problems with that.</p>


1. it would have also been our 5th round pick.</p>


2. It wasnt a surefire thing that Henderson was going to be a FA.</p>


3. Everson Griffen was picked before Dillard.</p>


Also------- The best MLBs in the game are between 230-240 LBs, which of course is around what Boley weighs.</p>

New Orleans MLB Jonathan Vilma 230 lbs.

Tennessee MLB Stephen Tulloch 235 lbs.
Indianapolis MLB Gary Brackett 235 lbs.
Seattle SLB Leroy Hill 238 lbs.

San Francisco MLB Patrick Willis 240 lbs.
Seattle MLB Lofa Tatupu 242 lbs.
Oakland MLB Kirk Morrison 240 lbs.
St. Louis MLB Will Witherspoon 240 lbs.
San Diego ILB Stephen Cooper 235 lbs.
Cleveland MLB D'Qwell Jackson 240 lbs.
Cincinnati MLB Dhani Jones 240 lbs.
Green Bay ILB Nick Barnett 236 lbs.
Kansas City MLB Derrick Johnson 242 lbs.
Tampa bay MLB Barrett Ruud 241 lbs.
Buffalo MLB Paul Posluzny 238 lbs.




okay 235 would be the minimum... <font size="5">but even still the guys on the low end are playing a 3-4 as INSIDE lbers which are usually smaller than MIDDLE lbers in the 4-3
</font>
and also.. regardless if u want to admit it or not, every outlet has Boley at 223
</p>


Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why do you think no RAVEN STEELER OR PATRIOT LBers are on that list.</p>


There are 3 34 MLB on that entire list???? In general terms 34 MLBs are SUPPOSED to be bigger than 43 MLBs because they have have less ground to cover and are supposed to take up blockers....Why do you think I said Spikes would go to a 34 and he in fact did.</p>


Matt, sorry, but you talk out of your *** way too much.</p>

yea ur right on that i got that confused... i flip flopped it

stop patting urself on the back for that 3-4 comment with spikes.. he fell in the draft and TOO was also scouted to be bale to play the 4-3

And ur argument of listing players would make sense if Boley was actually 235... but hes not and every outlet says your wrong. Not only that, but he doesn't have the attitude or skillset to play it.

Talking out my *** would be saying that Boley in the middle would be a good idea.

Talking out of my *** would be not understanding that Boley is a sam and Weatherspoon was a will

lawl
04-28-2010, 03:00 PM
so far lawl, u've denied the size of Boley.. confused will and sam like me and been proven wrong yet somehow still think ur right?</P>


</P>


1. I didnt confuse will and sam. you did. you said Sean plays the opposite of weakside(which is strongside or sam) then you also said Boley didnt play the same position as Sean, which is wrong because he plays weakside(will).</P>


2. Boley is most definately 230+ go to camp see what he looks like, the weights are NEVER updated on those sites.</P>


3. Remind me again how I've been proven wrong? or are you too caught up in first saying that the minimum to play MLB is 240 then you change it to 235 or when you say 34 MLBs are smaller than 43 MLBs hahahaha, good one.</P>

lawl
04-28-2010, 03:02 PM
maybe we should just go back to a 5 man line and bring out an extra saftey and corner and starrt a new defense since linebackers mean nothing lol.

Yes i would of been fine with trading our 1 and 2 for Mcclain. Then we could of just signed henderson and not cut any Dts we currnetly have.

Then since we're so hell bent on adding anothe rDT, in stead of going for Dillard we get Everson Griffen..

i'd say we'd be in 10x better shape than we are
</P>


couple problems with that.</P>


1. it would have also been our 5th round pick.</P>


2. It wasnt a surefire thing that Henderson was going to be a FA.</P>


3. Everson Griffen was picked before Dillard.</P>


Also------- The best MLBs in the game are between 230-240 LBs, which of course is around what Boley weighs.</P>

<LI>New Orleans MLB Jonathan Vilma 230 lbs.

<LI>Tennessee MLB Stephen Tulloch 235 lbs.
<LI>Indianapolis MLB Gary Brackett 235 lbs.
<LI>Seattle SLB Leroy Hill 238 lbs.

<LI>San Francisco MLB Patrick Willis 240 lbs.
<LI>Seattle MLB Lofa Tatupu 242 lbs.
<LI>Oakland MLB Kirk Morrison 240 lbs.
<LI>St. Louis MLB Will Witherspoon 240 lbs.
<LI>San Diego ILB Stephen Cooper 235 lbs.
<LI>Cleveland MLB D'Qwell Jackson 240 lbs.
<LI>Cincinnati MLB Dhani Jones 240 lbs.
<LI>Green Bay ILB Nick Barnett 236 lbs.
<LI>Kansas City MLB Derrick Johnson 242 lbs.
<LI>Tampa bay MLB Barrett Ruud 241 lbs.
<LI>Buffalo MLB Paul Posluzny 238 lbs.</LI>




okay 235 would be the minimum... <FONT size=5>but even still the guys on the low end are playing a 3-4 as INSIDE lbers which are usually smaller than MIDDLE lbers in the 4-3
</FONT>
and also.. regardless if u want to admit it or not, every outlet has Boley at 223
</P>


Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why do you think no RAVEN STEELER OR PATRIOT LBers are on that list.</P>


There are 3 34 MLB on that entire list???? In general terms 34 MLBs are SUPPOSED to be bigger than 43 MLBs because they have have less ground to cover and are supposed to take up blockers....Why do you think I said Spikes would go to a 34 and he in fact did.</P>


Matt, sorry, but you talk out of your *** way too much.</P>




yea ur right on that i got that confused... i flip flopped it

stop patting urself on the back for that 3-4 comment with spikes.. he fell in the draft and TOO was also scouted to be bale to play the 4-3

And ur argument of listing players would make sense if Boley was actually 235... but hes not and every outlet says your wrong. Not only that, but he doesn't have the attitude or skillset to play it.

Talking out my *** would be saying that Boley in the middle would be a good idea.

Talking out of my *** would be not understanding that Boley is a sam and Weatherspoon was a will
</P>


CLARK PLAYED SAM LAST YEAR BOLEY PLAYED WILL </P>


</P>


i also never said boley to the middle is a great idea jpizz or dezz or someone did, I just related it to the fact that you think that a rookie in weatherspoon could do it but a vet in boley couldnt. I am completely aware that Boley doesnt have the skillset to play MLB. That being said Boley will most likely be the only LBer ont he field on passing downs this year.</P>


let me also say this again.</P>


listed weights ARE NEVER UPDATED.</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 03:02 PM
again ur wrong sir... he lpays the other OLB spot and was scouted as being able to play the middle.. and is also 250
</p>


</p>


cute, are you sure? "As a sophomore, Weatherspoon became a starter at weakside linebacker"</p>


He also weighed in at 239 at the combine. </p>


Remind me again who is wrong?</p>


</p>




240 as a rookie and ur trying to say i'm wrong? You know he would of had to bulk up and his skill set was scouted as being able to play MLB.

the one thing i was wrong with is my lingo, i always mix up weak side and strong side.. Boley is actually a strongside...

weakside LBer is the position that is interchangable with MLB...

Boley is Sam

Weatherspoon was Will

i do apologize i always do that
</p>


</p>


wrong again, Boley is a Will, and Clark was our SAM last year.</p>


you said Sean IS 250, not will be 250.</p>


bulking up to 250 might lose him some speed and fluidity as has relatively short arms and isnt overly tall.</p>

actually u are right about that too lol

he played Sam in Atl...

but even still 223 is not big enough to play MLBer thats the main point of it all... u can wish the 10-15 pounds on him, but he doesn't have it

ibleedblue85
04-28-2010, 03:03 PM
back from lunch... what did i miss?!

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 03:03 PM
so far lawl, u've denied the size of Boley.. confused will and sam like me and been proven wrong yet somehow still think ur right?</p>


</p>


1. I didnt confuse will and sam. you did. you said Sean plays the opposite of weakside(which is strongside or sam) then you also said Boley didnt play the same position as Sean, which is wrong because he plays weakside(will).</p>


2. Boley is most definately 230+ go to camp see what he looks like, the weights are NEVER updated on those sites.</p>


3. Remind me again how I've been proven wrong? or are you too caught up in first saying that the minimum to play MLB is 240 then you change it to 235 or when you say 34 MLBs are smaller than 43 MLBs hahahaha, good one.</p>

so if the weights are never updated on any sights then how could ur post of weights have an validity to it in this arguement lol

lawl
04-28-2010, 03:05 PM
so far lawl, u've denied the size of Boley.. confused will and sam like me and been proven wrong yet somehow still think ur right?</P>


</P>


1. I didnt confuse will and sam. you did. you said Sean plays the opposite of weakside(which is strongside or sam) then you also said Boley didnt play the same position as Sean, which is wrong because he plays weakside(will).</P>


2. Boley is most definately 230+ go to camp see what he looks like, the weights are NEVER updated on those sites.</P>


3. Remind me again how I've been proven wrong? or are you too caught up in first saying that the minimum to play MLB is 240 then you change it to 235 or when you say 34 MLBs are smaller than 43 MLBs hahahaha, good one.</P>




so if the weights are never updated on any sights then how could ur post of weights have an validity to it in this arguement lol
</P>


Exactly. now im off to class</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 03:05 PM
so far lawl, u've denied the size of Boley.. confused will and sam like me and been proven wrong yet somehow still think ur right?</p>


</p>


1. I didnt confuse will and sam. you did. you said Sean plays the opposite of weakside(which is strongside or sam) then you also said Boley didnt play the same position as Sean, which is wrong because he plays weakside(will).</p>


2. Boley is most definately 230+ go to camp see what he looks like, the weights are NEVER updated on those sites.</p>


3. Remind me again how I've been proven wrong? or are you too caught up in first saying that the minimum to play MLB is 240 then you change it to 235 or when you say 34 MLBs are smaller than 43 MLBs hahahaha, good one.</p>

i admitted u were right about that, i got it mixed up

But his skillset is not that of a MLB, u need to be aggressive and attack and he is undersized for the position...

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 03:06 PM
so far lawl, u've denied the size of Boley.. confused will and sam like me and been proven wrong yet somehow still think ur right?</p>


</p>


1. I didnt confuse will and sam. you did. you said Sean plays the opposite of weakside(which is strongside or sam) then you also said Boley didnt play the same position as Sean, which is wrong because he plays weakside(will).</p>


2. Boley is most definately 230+ go to camp see what he looks like, the weights are NEVER updated on those sites.</p>


3. Remind me again how I've been proven wrong? or are you too caught up in first saying that the minimum to play MLB is 240 then you change it to 235 or when you say 34 MLBs are smaller than 43 MLBs hahahaha, good one.</p>




so if the weights are never updated on any sights then how could ur post of weights have an validity to it in this arguement lol
</p>


Exactly. now im off to class</p>

lol how is that exactly... they may never be updated, but i doubt theres a 15 pound difference to ONLY boley...

Giants own website reports him as 223

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 03:09 PM
http://aviscogitations.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/giants-michael-boley.jpg

he has no meat to hi mat all.. i think 225 is very realistic

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 03:09 PM
Tim Lincecum is gay!!!!</P>


(just seeing is lawl ACTUALLY went to class yet lol)</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 03:17 PM
being a sports fan is exhausting!</P>


im tired reading and talking about this stuff all day! lol

....or maybe its just that im actually sitting here reading all day that makes me tired....yea probably...</P>

MattMeyerBud
04-28-2010, 03:19 PM
being a sports fan is exhausting!</p>


im tired reading and talking about this stuff all day! lol

....or maybe its just that im actually sitting here reading all day that makes me tired....yea probably...</p>

engage in the battle and the juices will flow

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 03:20 PM
being a sports fan is exhausting!</P>


im tired reading and talking about this stuff all day! lol

....or maybe its just that im actually sitting here reading all day that makes me tired....yea probably...</P>




engage in the battle and the juices will flow
</P>


I save all my energy for arguing with Morehead....lol....cuz he hates everything I post lol</P>

JPizzack
04-28-2010, 03:20 PM
double post =\ damn computer...</P>