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MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 03:25 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

</p>


Eli's #'s did NOT improve. He had a horrible game against the Bills and then had a nice game vs. NE. Even in the playoffs his #'s were around his average, except for INT's. I assume that was a matter of Eli stepping up his game.</p>


I Don't think Shockey was a distraction really. I think that was all media crap. However, the next off season and into camp it was clear he didn't want to be here, and certainly would have been a distraction if he wasn't moved.</p>

oh stop it, Shockey was even taking jabs at Eli when he went to NO

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Blondie Keller is a Monster this year, like Gates/Clark level.
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and id be trading with matt meaning i have to give him wayne, boldin, foster and my ficker for keller. no thanks</p>

i would of threw something else in

but she just is lookin to rip someone else off and shes knows it ain't happening

its fine, shes just talkin out of her booty

dezzzR
10-05-2010, 03:26 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

</p>


Eli's #'s did NOT improve. He had a horrible game against the Bills and then had a nice game vs. NE. Even in the playoffs his #'s were around his average, except for INT's. I assume that was a matter of Eli stepping up his game.</p>


I Don't think Shockey was a distraction really. I think that was all media crap. However, the next off season and into camp it was clear he didn't want to be here, and certainly would have been a distraction if he wasn't moved.</p>elis numbers were next to perfect during the playoffs. whoever thinks he could of done that with shockey in his ear is crazy.

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:27 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</P>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</P>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</P>

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 03:28 PM
Shockey was clearly obnoxious. I dont think there's any denying that. Sure he was fiery...but at all the worst times.

im not sure why kiwi is involved in this convo minus just being part of the joke obviously...if anything this weekends game just makes kiwi wanna go out there and do the same thing! im sure he was bummed he wasnt part of the fun! hehe

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 03:29 PM
any person that is playing for themselves and not for the team in a team setting is disturbance...

no two ways about it

i know i know, they are all "playing for themselves" at the end of the day, but the guys that dont buy in... they cause problems

DavenIII
10-05-2010, 03:29 PM
Yea im sure Shockey ****tin on Eli in the media had NO effect on him. Shockey waving his arms and showing him up on the field, had NO effect on him.

Good I'm glad I've convinced you of that then.


Im sure it was the same type of relationship Eli had with Toomer, that he had with Shockey

WTF does that have to do with anything?


what world do u live in??

The Real one.

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 03:31 PM
"Burnett is completing the second season of an $82.5 million, five-year contract, but has not come close to living up to his salary this season, in which he was 10-15 with a 5.26 ERA.</P>


Last October, with the Yankees down a game in the World Series, Burnett won Game 2. Overall, he was inconsistent in the 2009 playoffs."</P>


lol that was for matt who thinks Burnett was the reason we won the whole sha-bang</P>


just ball busting, dont take it to heart</P>


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5650782</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:32 PM
Yea im sure Shockey ****tin on Eli in the media had NO effect on him. Shockey waving his arms and showing him up on the field, had NO effect on him.




</P>


Matt...How soft do you think our QB is?</P>

DavenIII
10-05-2010, 03:33 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day.

No kidding, Dez, that's my point, the results of football games are directly related to what happens ON the field, not whether or not Eli's in a bad mood because his TE has a potty mouth.

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:33 PM
"Burnett is completing the second season of an $82.5 million, five-year contract, but has not come close to living up to his salary this season, in which he was 10-15 with a 5.26 ERA.</P>


Last October, with the Yankees down a game in the World Series, Burnett won Game 2. Overall, he was inconsistent in the 2009 playoffs."</P>


lol that was for matt who thinks Burnett was the reason we won the whole sha-bang</P>


just ball busting, dont take it to heart</P>


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5650782</P>


</P>


Bradshaw..Burnett. You just love to hate on your own players.</P>

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Matt...How soft do you think our QB is?</P>


</P>


not that this is aimed at me clearly....but i mean...a younger qb is a little more impressionable than the vet he is now.
Especially playing under a drill sergeant like coughlin...its gotta be a rough few early years.</P>

dezzzR
10-05-2010, 03:34 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 03:34 PM
Yea im sure Shockey ****tin on Eli in the media had NO effect on him. Shockey waving his arms and showing him up on the field, had NO effect on him.

Good I'm glad I've convinced you of that then.


Im sure it was the same type of relationship Eli had with Toomer, that he had with Shockey

WTF does that have to do with anything?


what world do u live in??

The Real one.




by every response u just had, officially shows how out of touch with reality u are

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 03:36 PM
Yea im sure Shockey ****tin on Eli in the media had NO effect on him. Shockey waving his arms and showing him up on the field, had NO effect on him.




</p>


Matt...How soft do you think our QB is?</p>

i think being in the big city struggling as hes progressing, he wasn't even the leader of his own offense

so at the time, he wasn't matured and def didn't need any teammates like shockey because they hurt, not helped

dezzzR
10-05-2010, 03:37 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day.

No kidding, Dez, that's my point, the results of football games are directly related to what happens ON the field, not whether or not Eli's in a bad mood because his TE has a potty mouth.
yes but as a qb it can **** with you. look at ALL the teams TO's been on. theres a reason.

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:43 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</P>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</P>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</P>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</P>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</P>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</P>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</P>


This generation is friggin soft.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:45 PM
Matt, if you're sick of Moreno, I would be interested.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 03:45 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</p>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</p>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</p>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</p>


This generation is friggin soft.</p>

and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:51 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</P>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</P>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</P>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</P>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</P>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</P>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</P>


This generation is friggin soft.</P>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</P>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</P>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</P>

DavenIII
10-05-2010, 03:52 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:54 PM
Guys, Shockey was a heck of a football player when he was here. Yes he was a pain in the ***, mostly to the media and the fans but I just don't think it had any effect on the team.</P>


He certainly isn't the player now that he was. We actually got a lot for him, but he was great to watch when he was here.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 03:54 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</p>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</p>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</p>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</p>


This generation is friggin soft.</p>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</p>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</p>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</p>

it hurt more than it helped.. theres no way a developing QB needed enemies on his own WR core... to say that it has no effect is crazy to even hear

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:55 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</P>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 03:58 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</P>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</P>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</P>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</P>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</P>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</P>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</P>


This generation is friggin soft.</P>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</P>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</P>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</P>




it hurt more than it helped.. theres no way a developing QB needed enemies on his own WR core... to say that it has no effect is crazy to even hear
</P>


OK, now Shockey is the "enemy" of Eli. Talk about an over dramatization. What a developing QB needs is a TE who gets open and makes plays. Thats what Eli got from Shockey.</P>


You may be sensative and soft Matt. Thats why we are all very concerned for you. I just don't think our QB is, or was then.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 04:00 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</P>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</P>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</P>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</P>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</P>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</P>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</P>


This generation is friggin soft.</P>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</P>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</P>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</P>




it hurt more than it helped.. theres no way a developing QB needed enemies on his own WR core... to say that it has no effect is crazy to even hear
</P>


OK, now Shockey is the "enemy" of Eli. Talk about an over dramatization. What a developing QB needs is a TE who gets open and makes plays. Thats what Eli got from Shockey.</P>


You may be sensative and soft Matt. Thats why we are all very concerned for you. I just don't think our QB is, or was then.</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


Now, after you're done sucking your thumb, think about whether or not you're interested in Forte.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:05 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</p>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</p>

u guys act like theres no mental aspect to the game. Its all physical and just professional.... yet most of these guys dont have the head to not go out and get wasted n drive all night, but they have the brain power to just faze everybody out......

i think ur just being unrealistic and speaking of Eli in the 06 and 07 as he is now. Hes not the same person or player.

Think back to what Tiki said. Nobody hates Tiki as much for what he said, for as much as him airing out inhouse stuff about his old teammates.

Eli DID NOT have his teammates won over at that time. Regardless of what u guys are trying to sell

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:06 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</p>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</p>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</p>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</p>


This generation is friggin soft.</p>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</p>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</p>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</p>




it hurt more than it helped.. theres no way a developing QB needed enemies on his own WR core... to say that it has no effect is crazy to even hear
</p>


OK, now Shockey is the "enemy" of Eli. Talk about an over dramatization. What a developing QB needs is a TE who gets open and makes plays. Thats what Eli got from Shockey.</p>


You may be sensative and soft Matt. Thats why we are all very concerned for you. I just don't think our QB is, or was then.</p>

yes in a sense he was. In what ways did Shockey help? His performance on the field was sub=par, their inability to be onthe same page (probably from missing time and not working out with the team), the public and indirect shots at him in the media.

Eli wasn't Eli at that time... u seem to be forgetting that

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:07 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</p>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</p>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</p>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</p>


This generation is friggin soft.</p>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</p>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</p>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</p>




it hurt more than it helped.. theres no way a developing QB needed enemies on his own WR core... to say that it has no effect is crazy to even hear
</p>


OK, now Shockey is the "enemy" of Eli. Talk about an over dramatization. What a developing QB needs is a TE who gets open and makes plays. Thats what Eli got from Shockey.</p>


You may be sensative and soft Matt. Thats why we are all very concerned for you. I just don't think our QB is, or was then.</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


Now, after you're done sucking your thumb, think about whether or not you're interested in Forte.</p>

what are u thinking cuz i saw u say a top WR... and im not giving a top WR for a guy with a 2 ypc average

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 04:09 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</P>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</P>




u guys act like theres no mental aspect to the game. Its all physical and just professional.... yet most of these guys dont have the head to not go out and get wasted n drive all night, but they have the brain power to just faze everybody out......

i think ur just being unrealistic and speaking of Eli in the 06 and 07 as he is now. Hes not the same person or player.

Think back to what Tiki said. Nobody hates Tiki as much for what he said, for as much as him airing out inhouse stuff about his old teammates.

Eli DID NOT have his teammates won over at that time. Regardless of what u guys are trying to sell
</P>


<FONT size=4>Stop now.</FONT></P>


It comes down to the fact that you think Eli was a lot softer than I think was.</P>


As dorky as he looks, I don't think he's mentally soft at all.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 04:10 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</P>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</P>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</P>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</P>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</P>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</P>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</P>


This generation is friggin soft.</P>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</P>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</P>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</P>




it hurt more than it helped.. theres no way a developing QB needed enemies on his own WR core... to say that it has no effect is crazy to even hear
</P>


OK, now Shockey is the "enemy" of Eli. Talk about an over dramatization. What a developing QB needs is a TE who gets open and makes plays. Thats what Eli got from Shockey.</P>


You may be sensative and soft Matt. Thats why we are all very concerned for you. I just don't think our QB is, or was then.</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


Now, after you're done sucking your thumb, think about whether or not you're interested in Forte.</P>




what are u thinking cuz i saw u say a top WR... and im not giving a top WR for a guy with a 2 ypc average
</P>


I was thinking Moreno for Forte.</P>


I only offer it because I have other backs and can wait for Moreno, you can use Forte right away.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:12 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</p>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</p>




u guys act like theres no mental aspect to the game. Its all physical and just professional.... yet most of these guys dont have the head to not go out and get wasted n drive all night, but they have the brain power to just faze everybody out......

i think ur just being unrealistic and speaking of Eli in the 06 and 07 as he is now. Hes not the same person or player.

Think back to what Tiki said. Nobody hates Tiki as much for what he said, for as much as him airing out inhouse stuff about his old teammates.

Eli DID NOT have his teammates won over at that time. Regardless of what u guys are trying to sell
</p>


<font size="4">Stop now.</font></p>


It comes down to the fact that you think Eli was a lot softer than I think was.</p>


As dorky as he looks, I don't think he's mentally soft at all.</p>
it was a developmental stage at the time... shockey hurt his progression and hence the overall team.

Plus the fact he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Ya know i've seen u personally **** on TO for the **** hes done and im not saying Shockey was as bad as him, but still its just funy how u 180 for Shockey

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:12 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</p>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</p>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</p>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</p>


This generation is friggin soft.</p>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</p>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</p>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</p>




it hurt more than it helped.. theres no way a developing QB needed enemies on his own WR core... to say that it has no effect is crazy to even hear
</p>


OK, now Shockey is the "enemy" of Eli. Talk about an over dramatization. What a developing QB needs is a TE who gets open and makes plays. Thats what Eli got from Shockey.</p>


You may be sensative and soft Matt. Thats why we are all very concerned for you. I just don't think our QB is, or was then.</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


Now, after you're done sucking your thumb, think about whether or not you're interested in Forte.</p>




what are u thinking cuz i saw u say a top WR... and im not giving a top WR for a guy with a 2 ypc average
</p>


I was thinking Moreno for Forte.</p>


I only offer it because I have other backs and can wait for Moreno, you can use Forte right away.</p>

yea na im good. If i can steal a win within the next two weeks i'll be fine and moreno will be back

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:14 PM
one of the other two backs and i can throw someone in.. thats about all i can see right now if ur lookin moreno

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 04:17 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</P>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</P>




u guys act like theres no mental aspect to the game. Its all physical and just professional.... yet most of these guys dont have the head to not go out and get wasted n drive all night, but they have the brain power to just faze everybody out......

i think ur just being unrealistic and speaking of Eli in the 06 and 07 as he is now. Hes not the same person or player.

Think back to what Tiki said. Nobody hates Tiki as much for what he said, for as much as him airing out inhouse stuff about his old teammates.

Eli DID NOT have his teammates won over at that time. Regardless of what u guys are trying to sell
</P>


<FONT size=4>Stop now.</FONT></P>


It comes down to the fact that you think Eli was a lot softer than I think was.</P>


As dorky as he looks, I don't think he's mentally soft at all.</P>



it was a developmental stage at the time... shockey hurt his progression and hence the overall team.

Plus the fact he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Ya know i've seen u personally **** on TO for the **** hes done and im not saying Shockey was as bad as him, but still its just funy how u 180 for Shockey
</P>


Give me a break. Eli was in his 4th season. At the time of Shockey's injury, Eli had started 51 games in the NFL.</P>


Just because your feelings would have been hurt in the same situation, doesn't mean it would be true of an NFL QB.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 04:20 PM
one of the other two backs and i can throw someone in.. thats about all i can see right now if ur lookin moreno
</P>


I like Moreno but I like LT as much and Gore more. If it was LT , who would you throw in?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:22 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</p>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</p>




u guys act like theres no mental aspect to the game. Its all physical and just professional.... yet most of these guys dont have the head to not go out and get wasted n drive all night, but they have the brain power to just faze everybody out......

i think ur just being unrealistic and speaking of Eli in the 06 and 07 as he is now. Hes not the same person or player.

Think back to what Tiki said. Nobody hates Tiki as much for what he said, for as much as him airing out inhouse stuff about his old teammates.

Eli DID NOT have his teammates won over at that time. Regardless of what u guys are trying to sell
</p>


<font size="4">Stop now.</font></p>


It comes down to the fact that you think Eli was a lot softer than I think was.</p>


As dorky as he looks, I don't think he's mentally soft at all.</p>



it was a developmental stage at the time... shockey hurt his progression and hence the overall team.

Plus the fact he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Ya know i've seen u personally **** on TO for the **** hes done and im not saying Shockey was as bad as him, but still its just funy how u 180 for Shockey
</p>


Give me a break. Eli was in his 4th season. At the time of Shockey's injury, Eli had started 51 games in the NFL.</p>


Just because your feelings would have been hurt in the same situation, doesn't mean it would be true of an NFL QB.</p>

and he was throwin 19 INTs a year... so stop actin like Eli was a quick developer...

he always showed signs and always improved, but he was nowhere near "BEING THERE" like he is now.

DavenIII
10-05-2010, 04:24 PM
I'm gonna post here what I've been talking about with MMB in FB Chat.


Eli grew up being the MAN at every level of his life, he was the man in highschool he was the man in college and he was the man that was drafted at the top of the draft....

he has more confidence in himself then our entire collection of 20-30 year olds in this thread combined, some guy like Shockey...is NOT going to be able to tear this guys wall down, wouldn't have mattered if he was doing it the first year...Eli is just too sure of himself to be effected by something like that.....

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:25 PM
one of the other two backs and i can throw someone in.. thats about all i can see right now if ur lookin moreno
</p>


I like Moreno but I like LT as much and Gore more. If it was LT , who would you throw in?</p>

check ur PM i only have a half hour of work left

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:26 PM
I'm gonna post here what I've been talking about with MMB in FB Chat.


Eli grew up being the MAN at every level of his life, he was the man in highschool he was the man in college and he was the man that was drafted at the top of the draft....

he has more confidence in himself then our entire collection of 20-30 year olds in this thread combined, some guy like Shockey...is NOT going to be able to tear this guys wall down, wouldn't have mattered if he was doing it the first year...Eli is just too sure of himself to be effected by something like that.....


im sure Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, and David Carr did as well

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 04:29 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</P>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:30 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</p>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</p>


soooo r u goin in on sat?

DavenIII
10-05-2010, 04:31 PM
im sure Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, and David Carr did as well


maybe not as much as Eli (they weren't Mannings) but yeah, they probably did/do just because they sucked didn't mean they weren't mentally/emotionally tough...they can also just not be good enough you know.

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 04:31 PM
I'm gonna post here what I've been talking about with MMB in FB Chat.


Eli grew up being the MAN at every level of his life, he was the man in highschool he was the man in college and he was the man that was drafted at the top of the draft....

he has more confidence in himself then our entire collection of 20-30 year olds in this thread combined, some guy like Shockey...is NOT going to be able to tear this guys wall down, wouldn't have mattered if he was doing it the first year...Eli is just too sure of himself to be effected by something like that.....


im sure Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, and David Carr did as well
</P>


whoa whoa whoa!!!!

David Carr is NOT in the same class as those tools. Carr was dealt a bad hand! everyone knows it!!
Smith and Leaf were just terrible lol</P>

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 04:32 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</P>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</P>





soooo r u goin in on sat?
</P>


it was the Sat. that just passed [;)]</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:33 PM
im sure Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, and David Carr did as well


maybe not as much as Eli (they weren't Mannings) but yeah, they probably did/do just because they sucked didn't mean they weren't mentally/emotionally tough...they can also just not be good enough you know.


is ur argument that Ryan Leaf WAS mentally tough enough? allllrighty then

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:33 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</p>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</p>





soooo r u goin in on sat?
</p>


it was the Sat. that just passed [;)]</p>

and nobody called u or anyhting lol NICCCEEE

DavenIII
10-05-2010, 04:36 PM
im sure Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, and David Carr did as well


maybe not as much as Eli (they weren't Mannings) but yeah, they probably did/do just because they sucked didn't mean they weren't mentally/emotionally tough...they can also just not be good enough you know.


is ur argument that Ryan Leaf WAS mentally tough enough? allllrighty then


there are always exceptions.....Eli was not one of them, Eli is a perfectly stable QB...who would never have been shaken by his teamates body language...that's my argument.

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 04:36 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</P>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</P>





soooo r u goin in on sat?
</P>


it was the Sat. that just passed [;)]</P>




and nobody called u or anyhting lol NICCCEEE
</P>


haha i know!! wtf!!</P>


i think a manager was covering, so mine werent here lol....oh well....their fault right?</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 04:41 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</P>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</P>




u guys act like theres no mental aspect to the game. Its all physical and just professional.... yet most of these guys dont have the head to not go out and get wasted n drive all night, but they have the brain power to just faze everybody out......

i think ur just being unrealistic and speaking of Eli in the 06 and 07 as he is now. Hes not the same person or player.

Think back to what Tiki said. Nobody hates Tiki as much for what he said, for as much as him airing out inhouse stuff about his old teammates.

Eli DID NOT have his teammates won over at that time. Regardless of what u guys are trying to sell
</P>


<FONT size=4>Stop now.</FONT></P>


It comes down to the fact that you think Eli was a lot softer than I think was.</P>


As dorky as he looks, I don't think he's mentally soft at all.</P>



it was a developmental stage at the time... shockey hurt his progression and hence the overall team.

Plus the fact he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Ya know i've seen u personally **** on TO for the **** hes done and im not saying Shockey was as bad as him, but still its just funy how u 180 for Shockey
</P>


Give me a break. Eli was in his 4th season. At the time of Shockey's injury, Eli had started 51 games in the NFL.</P>


Just because your feelings would have been hurt in the same situation, doesn't mean it would be true of an NFL QB.</P>




and he was throwin 19 INTs a year... so stop actin like Eli was a quick developer...

he always showed signs and always improved, but he was nowhere near "BEING THERE" like he is now.
</P>


I guess those 14 TD's that Shockey caught from Eli in 05 and 06 had a terrible effect on Eli's development.</P>


Any young QB would kill to have a playerShockey that to throw to when they were developing.</P>


Having a go to guy like that, especially on 3rd down is a tad more important than the occasional"flailing arms".</P>


<FONT size=4>Stop trashing our QB.</FONT></P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:43 PM
im sure Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, and David Carr did as well


maybe not as much as Eli (they weren't Mannings) but yeah, they probably did/do just because they sucked didn't mean they weren't mentally/emotionally tough...they can also just not be good enough you know.


is ur argument that Ryan Leaf WAS mentally tough enough? allllrighty then


there are always exceptions.....Eli was not one of them, Eli is a perfectly stable QB...who would never have been shaken by his teamates body language...that's my argument.


his play didn't back up the fact that he was stable in his early years. Alot of INTs, ALOT of bad balls, throwing off his back foot, hesitant.

He always showed signs and always got better but he wasn't a stable player

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:43 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</p>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</p>





soooo r u goin in on sat?
</p>


it was the Sat. that just passed [;)]</p>




and nobody called u or anyhting lol NICCCEEE
</p>


haha i know!! wtf!!</p>


i think a manager was covering, so mine werent here lol....oh well....their fault right?</p>

u better hope so.. u better hit up ur manager just to let them know what happened. Dont want this to bite u in the ***

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:45 PM
in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?


you are missing the point.

the point is "back in the day" the other teammates would have just told him to cut the osi, and if he id good if he didn't whatever...it's just something you gotta deal with.

Mr.Morehead this generation isn't as soft as it seems to be on these forums, or at least I hope it isn't :P

if it IS...then maybe Matt has a point, but I can't believe a guy like Eli would let someone like Shockey actually get to him and effect his job...
</p>


In Matt's scenario it is soft. I don't think that NFL football players are though. The fans and the media care about Shockey's nonsense, but the players didn't. Thats my point.</p>




u guys act like theres no mental aspect to the game. Its all physical and just professional.... yet most of these guys dont have the head to not go out and get wasted n drive all night, but they have the brain power to just faze everybody out......

i think ur just being unrealistic and speaking of Eli in the 06 and 07 as he is now. Hes not the same person or player.

Think back to what Tiki said. Nobody hates Tiki as much for what he said, for as much as him airing out inhouse stuff about his old teammates.

Eli DID NOT have his teammates won over at that time. Regardless of what u guys are trying to sell
</p>


<font size="4">Stop now.</font></p>


It comes down to the fact that you think Eli was a lot softer than I think was.</p>


As dorky as he looks, I don't think he's mentally soft at all.</p>



it was a developmental stage at the time... shockey hurt his progression and hence the overall team.

Plus the fact he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Ya know i've seen u personally **** on TO for the **** hes done and im not saying Shockey was as bad as him, but still its just funy how u 180 for Shockey
</p>


Give me a break. Eli was in his 4th season. At the time of Shockey's injury, Eli had started 51 games in the NFL.</p>


Just because your feelings would have been hurt in the same situation, doesn't mean it would be true of an NFL QB.</p>




and he was throwin 19 INTs a year... so stop actin like Eli was a quick developer...

he always showed signs and always improved, but he was nowhere near "BEING THERE" like he is now.
</p>


I guess those 14 TD's that Shockey caught from Eli in 05 and 06 had a terrible effect on Eli's development.</p>


Any young QB would kill to have a playerShockey that to throw to when they were developing.</p>


Having a go to guy like that, especially on 3rd down is a tad more important than the occasional"flailing arms".</p>


<font size="4">Stop trashing our QB.</font></p>

please.. a young QBs best friend is the TE

how many interceptions were thrown by eli trying to force it into shockey... did that help?

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 04:47 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</P>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</P>





soooo r u goin in on sat?
</P>


it was the Sat. that just passed [;)]</P>




and nobody called u or anyhting lol NICCCEEE
</P>


haha i know!! wtf!!</P>


i think a manager was covering, so mine werent here lol....oh well....their fault right?</P>




u better hope so.. u better hit up ur manager just to let them know what happened. Dont want this to bite u in the ***
</P>


haha...i kiiiinda did...subtley...</P>


i called her office and was like..."so can i get an updated copy of this months schedule? I just realized that I have an older version."</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:50 PM
lol I just found out that I was supposed to work all day Saturday, and was supposed to have today off.....except I was never made aware of either of those things. lol
It was never on my schedule nor the master schedule....only on the program we use to generate them both hahahahahaha.</p>


nobody has said anything except the part time employees. Guess it wasnt a big deal! lol
</p>





soooo r u goin in on sat?
</p>


it was the Sat. that just passed [;)]</p>




and nobody called u or anyhting lol NICCCEEE
</p>


haha i know!! wtf!!</p>


i think a manager was covering, so mine werent here lol....oh well....their fault right?</p>




u better hope so.. u better hit up ur manager just to let them know what happened. Dont want this to bite u in the ***
</p>


haha...i kiiiinda did...subtley...</p>


i called her office and was like..."so can i get an updated copy of this months schedule? I just realized that I have an older version."</p>

lol yeaaaa ur gonna get teabagged lol






Moorehead i responded

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 04:52 PM
lol she called me back and was like....oh...you were scheduled for saturday. my fault. thx for showing up today.</P>


lol wtf...does this get any easier??</P>

DavenIII
10-05-2010, 04:53 PM
his play didn't back up the fact that he was stable in his early years. Alot of INTs, ALOT of bad balls, throwing off his back foot, hesitant.

He always showed signs and always got better but he wasn't a stable player


being mentally/emotionally stable does not equal being a stable player, I'm emotionally/mentally stable/tough..doesn't mean I can get out on the football field and put up numbers....you are trying to talk about something completely different (as usual)

Originally you were suggesting that Shockey wrecked havoc on Eli's confidence...I'm saying that's bull****, that only would have happened to someone less emotionally/mentally stable then Eli....

that all has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to produce on the field...Eli was a young QB learning a new system and the speed of the NFL....he made mistakes...but none of those mistakes were caused by some lack of confidence cause by Shocky's mannerisms or body language...that much a guarantee.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2010, 04:53 PM
lol she called me back and was like....oh...you were scheduled for saturday. my fault. thx for showing up today.</p>


lol wtf...does this get any easier??</p>

lol TOUCHDOWN

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 04:54 PM
lol she called me back and was like....oh...you were scheduled for saturday. my fault. thx for showing up today.</P>


lol wtf...does this get any easier??</P>




lol TOUCHDOWN
</P>


seriously!</P>


brb....buying a lotto ticket</P>

patsrule666
10-05-2010, 04:56 PM
Pizzleback???? LMAO.. You guys are whacked.....</P>


MR. Whale. Check your PM sir...</P>

Kase-1
10-05-2010, 05:03 PM
Mecka Lecka Hi, Lecka Hidey Ho

How THEE Thread goin, anything good????

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 05:39 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 05:46 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?
</P>


I'll take him off your hands.</P>

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 05:46 PM
If you ever meet BenJavarus please tell him thank you for me. lol

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 05:49 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?
</p>


I'll take him off your hands.</p>
Lynch and ___________

for

Floyd

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 05:51 PM
New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) quarterback Eli Manning (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5526) scored some points in the locker room before the '07 season when he fired back at retired running back Tiki Barber (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1218) regarding some critical comments he'd made. This week, Manning wasn't taking the bait during his weekly visit with ESPN 1050 in New York via sportsradiointerviews.com (http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2010/10/05/eli-manning-our-preparation-has-not-been-the-problem/):



"You know if theyíre asking him questions, heís gonna say something
and say whatever is on his mind," said Manning, who always measures his
words carefully. "A few years ago, he made comments about me and I
kinda fired back and went through the whole deal. Not that I feel bad
for Tiki, but itís unfortunate how everything has happened. My brother
told me that when they introduced him [Sunday] there were a lot of
boos. Itís just unfortunate because he was a great player for the
Giants, had a great career, and was a great player in my first years
here and helped us win a lot of games when I wasnít playing
particularly well.



"Itís unfortunate how itís all happened, but I think heís
definitely deserving of making the Ring of Honor. Itís unfortunate how
people view him now because he was a great player for the Giants, but
things have happened that are unfortunate."



I think Barber's fortunate Manning took such a gracious
approach. And he's right about the positive impact Barber had with the
Giants. On the flip side, no one forced Barber to call out his former
head coach last week. During a week when you're being honored by the
Giants organization, it seems like poor form to talk about how he's
losing the locker room.

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 05:58 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?
</P>


I'll take him off your hands.</P>
<FONT color=#000000>Lynch and MJD

for

Floyd and LT
</FONT>

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 06:12 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?
</p>


I'll take him off your hands.</p>
<font color="#000000">Lynch and MJD

for

Floyd and LT
</font>
Is this even serious? lol

How about Ward for Floyd?

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 06:12 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?
</P>


I'll take him off your hands.</P>
<FONT color=#000000>Lynch and MJD

for

Floyd and LT
</FONT>Lynch went to the Seahawks?

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 06:13 PM
Lynch went to the Seahawks?
Yeah, a few hours ago.

You interested in the handcuff?

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 06:16 PM
Lynch went to the Seahawks?
Yeah, a few hours ago.

You interested in the handcuff?
wtf do they need a RB for.. hello Seahawks?? maybe get your *** a QB or a WR.. </P>


i'll pass thanks.. having Forsett is bad enough. </P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 06:17 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?
</P>


I'll take him off your hands.</P>



<FONT color=#000000>Lynch and MJD

for

Floyd and LT
</FONT>
Is this even serious? lol

How about Ward for Floyd?
</P>


Man you love Floyd don't you?</P>


I need a good one for two, where I get the one. I have to dump a few guys this week because of bye week issues.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2010, 06:18 PM
Lynch went to the Seahawks?
Yeah, a few hours ago.

You interested in the handcuff?
wtf do they need a RB for.. hello Seahawks?? maybe get your *** a QB or a WR.. </P>


i'll pass thanks.. having Forsett is bad enough. </P>


</P>


May I suggest you reconsider. They aren't trading for Lynch to sit him on the bench. He will be #1 in Seattle.</P>

ibleedblue85
10-05-2010, 06:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/10/bradshaw-named-nfc-player-of-w.html</P>


</P>


</P>

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 06:21 PM
Lynch went to the Seahawks?
Yeah, a few hours ago.

You interested in the handcuff?
wtf do they need a RB for.. hello Seahawks?? maybe get your *** a QB or a WR.. </P>


i'll pass thanks.. having Forsett is bad enough. </P>


</P>


May I suggest you reconsider. They aren't trading for Lynch to sit him on the bench. He will be #1 in Seattle.</P>he sucked in Buffalo he'll suck just as bad in Seattle.. Forsetts the #1 they just needed a #2

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 06:23 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/10/bradshaw-named-nfc-player-of-w.html</P>


</P>


</P>


gameball definitely goes to him.. </P>


and one to Dodge aswell, maybe he'll practice with it </P>

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 06:31 PM
i dumped Fred Jackson the other week, which in hindsight is not lookin like a good move.. </P>

dezzzR
10-05-2010, 06:43 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</p>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</p>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</p>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</p>


This generation is friggin soft.</p>




and thank u for making this comment...

in ur generation if somebody got grabbed like that cuz they were acting like shockey, would they of stopped?
</p>


I don't know what you mean by "grabbed like that". But my point is that Eli couldn't have given 2 ****s about Shockeys nonsense. It had absolutely no effect on him.</p>


I just have a higher opinion of Eli than you do.</p>pleeease. barber ran that offense until he retired. eli was a baby. you think eli would get in tikis face if it came down to it? no way man. not until shockey goes down does eli start really growing. and then 08 was a HUGE leap forward(stats, leadership, overall performance),WITHOUT SHOCKEY AND TIKI. how can you guys deny this?
i guess you can say eli was ***** whipped his first few years.

dezzzR
10-05-2010, 06:48 PM
if you guys think that shockey wasnt a distraction youre in denial. its as simple as that. can someone tell me why elis numbers magically increased, during games to make the playoffs, then in the playoffs. not just slowly, DRAMATICALLY! like night and day.

OK so what you are saying then is that Kiwanuka is a distraction because Sunday night we had 9 sacks in the first half when he was out.

do you not see how stupid your argument is?

no. not at all. i think cutler stood in the pocket all day. lol and you deleted what i said about kiwi.

with tiki/shockey they expected respect, so they felt entitled to say whatever they damn well pleased. correct? have you seen that at ALL from kiwi. kiwi hasnt cause one problem since hes been here. hes a starter anywhere else, backs up osi and tuck and STILL keeps his mouth shut. are you seeing where im going with this. its called discipline daven.
</p>


You are buying into all the media hype. Tiki carried our team on his back vs. Washington to get us into the playoffs. He was a jerkoff, but not a distraction. Shockey had a big mouth but worked his *** off in practice and on the field.</p>


You seem to think that fellow players are so soft that they are somehow effected by this off the feild nonsense. I'm sure they couldn't care less.</p>


morehead if youre my tightend and youre throwing me under the bus, waving your arms after i couldnt find you, yelling at me in a huddle, as a young qb, yes 100%. especially a guy of tiki standards, he was the nygiants for a few years.
</p>


First of all, none of that happened in 07. It all happened in 06 and before. Shockey was a solid soldier in 07.</p>


The whole Shockey controversy came up after he got hurt and they did fine without him. His public desire to leave was the problem. None of it came up when Shockey was playing in 07.</p>


I hate to tell you all this, but if a guy was waiving his arms and whining about being open when I was at that age, we would have told him to shut the **** up and play better.</p>


This generation is friggin soft.</p>how do you know that didnt happen in 07? we not in the locker room 24/7. shockey always threw his arms in the air. youre soft!

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 06:49 PM
Lynch went to the Seahawks?
Yeah, a few hours ago.

You interested in the handcuff?
wtf do they need a RB for.. hello Seahawks?? maybe get your *** a QB or a WR.. </p>


i'll pass thanks.. having Forsett is bad enough. </p>


</p>


May I suggest you reconsider. They aren't trading for Lynch to sit him on the bench. He will be #1 in Seattle.</p>he sucked in Buffalo he'll suck just as bad in Seattle.. Forsetts the #1 they just needed a #2
Jacobs for Forsett?

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 06:52 PM
Lynch went to the Seahawks?
Yeah, a few hours ago.

You interested in the handcuff?
wtf do they need a RB for.. hello Seahawks?? maybe get your *** a QB or a WR.. </P>


i'll pass thanks.. having Forsett is bad enough. </P>


</P>


May I suggest you reconsider. They aren't trading for Lynch to sit him on the bench. He will be #1 in Seattle.</P>he sucked in Buffalo he'll suck just as bad in Seattle.. Forsetts the #1 they just needed a #2
Jacobs for Forsett?
why? you need a rb or just bored and want to trade with someone lol

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 06:55 PM
Sure would have been nice if Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Packers or Eagles instead of the Seahawks. Not too sure he is going to be successful there. lol

Bandy....you want the handcuff?
</p>


I'll take him off your hands.</p>



<font color="#000000">Lynch and MJD

for

Floyd and LT
</font>
Is this even serious? lol

How about Ward for Floyd?
</p>


Man you love Floyd don't you?</p>


I need a good one for two, where I get the one. I have to dump a few guys this week because of bye week issues.</p>
In my opinion Ward is better than Floyd. I want the double points. If that is not enough I would throw in Jacobs but I feel like Ward should be plenty.

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 06:56 PM
Lynch went to the Seahawks?
Yeah, a few hours ago.

You interested in the handcuff?
wtf do they need a RB for.. hello Seahawks?? maybe get your *** a QB or a WR.. </p>


i'll pass thanks.. having Forsett is bad enough. </p>


</p>


May I suggest you reconsider. They aren't trading for Lynch to sit him on the bench. He will be #1 in Seattle.</p>he sucked in Buffalo he'll suck just as bad in Seattle.. Forsetts the #1 they just needed a #2
Jacobs for Forsett?
why? you need a rb or just bored and want to trade with someone lol
I want the handcuff.

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 07:02 PM
"but dont say my car is topless, say the titties is out"

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 07:04 PM
send it over i will have a looksee

dezzzR
10-05-2010, 07:07 PM
theres a great e60 thing on espn about dan snyder. its pretty cool. hes kind of a huge nerd but its funny.

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 07:10 PM
great/ dan snyder/ cool/ funny

one of these things doesnt beloooongggg...one of these things is no like the otherrrrr

dezzzR
10-05-2010, 07:12 PM
great/ dan snyder/ cool/ funny

one of these things doesnt beloooongggg...one of these things is no like the otherrrrr
lol i know, but i have some respect for the guy now.

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 07:14 PM
send it over i will have a looksee
Done

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 07:18 PM
found my Powerline Airstrike 240 pistol that i bought on a drunken night @3am in walmart about 8 years ago.

http://www.wildsidetoys.com/images/ww66.jpg

loved this thing. btw....this is another example as to why you shouldnt go to walmart drunk. lol

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 07:20 PM
send it over i will have a looksee
Done
k

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 07:27 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/19518/eli-manning-sticks-up-for-tiki-barber

nice guy

sad...but....this is why you should really stfu.....face of an organization and he **** all over it.

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 07:31 PM
I would love to get a better 2nd WR.

Maclin or Ward plus a RB or something.

bigblue4417
10-05-2010, 07:39 PM
Pizz...

Portis and _________

for

Steve Smith

bandwgn86
10-05-2010, 07:46 PM
found my Powerline Airstrike 240 pistol that i bought on a drunken night @3am in walmart about 8 years ago.

http://www.wildsidetoys.com/images/ww66.jpg

loved this thing. btw....this is another example as to why you shouldnt go to walmart drunk. lol
first question: real? second: WALMART?!?!?

byron
10-05-2010, 08:24 PM
helloooo

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 09:40 PM
first question: real? second: WALMART?!?!?

no, it's a Beretta replica. spring loaded bb gun lol.
yeaaaa got it at walmart...for $22 lol
like i said though, that had to have been about 8 years ago

byron
10-05-2010, 09:49 PM
first question: real? second: WALMART?!?!?

no, it's a Beretta replica. spring loaded bb gun lol.
yeaaaa got it at walmart...for $22 lol
like i said though, that had to have been about 8 years ago
hi JP it looks real did it run on co2 or what when I was a kid the bb guns were pump type..we used to have bb gun fights ****ing crazy ****.. rule was no shooting above the belt ..

JPizzack
10-05-2010, 09:55 PM
first question: real? second: WALMART?!?!?

no, it's a Beretta replica. spring loaded bb gun lol.
yeaaaa got it at walmart...for $22 lol
like i said though, that had to have been about 8 years ago
hi JP it looks real did it run on co2 or what when I was a kid the bb guns were pump type..we used to have bb gun fights ****ing crazy ****.. rule was no shooting above the belt ..

nope, they smake co2 ones, but this one was spring loaded...which sounds incredibly lame, but the thing hurts like a *****! lol
my cousin had a small pump bb rifle when we were younger we used to play with....which was cool...until we accidentally killed a bird and we felt bad. lol

lawl
10-06-2010, 01:55 AM
his play didn't back up the fact that he was stable in his early years. Alot of INTs, ALOT of bad balls, throwing off his back foot, hesitant.

He always showed signs and always got better but he wasn't a stable player


being mentally/emotionally stable does not equal being a stable player, I'm emotionally/mentally stable/tough..doesn't mean I can get out on the football field and put up numbers....you are trying to talk about something completely different (as usual)

Originally you were suggesting that Shockey wrecked havoc on Eli's confidence...I'm saying that's bull****, that only would have happened to someone less emotionally/mentally stable then Eli....

that all has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to produce on the field...Eli was a young QB learning a new system and the speed of the NFL....he made mistakes...but none of those mistakes were caused by some lack of confidence cause by Shocky's mannerisms or body language...that much a guarantee.
</P>


This pretty much ends the discussion. Eli wasn't playing poorly because of Shockey, Eli was playing poorly because Eli just wasn't that good. As for Dezz saying that Eli's numbers went up after shockey went down. To that I say, dont forget the 4 Int Minnesota game and Bradshaw running us into the playoffs against the Bills, your statement is just false.</P>

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 09:10 AM
my what a lovely tea party.

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:18 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/19518/eli-manning-sticks-up-for-tiki-barber

nice guy

sad...but....this is why you should really stfu.....face of an organization and he **** all over it.


Tiki doesn't work for NBC anymore, so where is his outlet where does he work?

Was that just a qoute out of no where?

Either way, Eli is class all the way. He dont even throw former teammates under the bus who have taken shots at him....

honestly, dude is grade A

DavenIII
10-06-2010, 09:20 AM
Morning..

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:23 AM
his play didn't back up the fact that he was stable in his early years. Alot of INTs, ALOT of bad balls, throwing off his back foot, hesitant.

He always showed signs and always got better but he wasn't a stable player


being mentally/emotionally stable does not equal being a stable player, I'm emotionally/mentally stable/tough..doesn't mean I can get out on the football field and put up numbers....you are trying to talk about something completely different (as usual)

Originally you were suggesting that Shockey wrecked havoc on Eli's confidence...I'm saying that's bull****, that only would have happened to someone less emotionally/mentally stable then Eli....

that all has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to produce on the field...Eli was a young QB learning a new system and the speed of the NFL....he made mistakes...but none of those mistakes were caused by some lack of confidence cause by Shocky's mannerisms or body language...that much a guarantee.
</p>


This pretty much ends the discussion. Eli wasn't playing poorly because of Shockey, Eli was playing poorly because Eli just wasn't that good. As for Dezz saying that Eli's numbers went up after shockey went down. To that I say, dont forget the 4 Int Minnesota game and Bradshaw running us into the playoffs against the Bills, your statement is just false.</p>


NOBODY SAID ELI WAS PLAYING POORLY BECAUSE OF SHOCKEY.

Its honestly like talking to rocks. The beauty of Shockey not being here anymore is that i dont have to see his name, so im officially out of this convo cuz anything said isn't registering anyway.

Nobody forgot those two games - they just have nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 09:27 AM
his play didn't back up the fact that he was stable in his early years. Alot of INTs, ALOT of bad balls, throwing off his back foot, hesitant.

He always showed signs and always got better but he wasn't a stable player


being mentally/emotionally stable does not equal being a stable player, I'm emotionally/mentally stable/tough..doesn't mean I can get out on the football field and put up numbers....you are trying to talk about something completely different (as usual)

Originally you were suggesting that Shockey wrecked havoc on Eli's confidence...I'm saying that's bull****, that only would have happened to someone less emotionally/mentally stable then Eli....

that all has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to produce on the field...Eli was a young QB learning a new system and the speed of the NFL....he made mistakes...but none of those mistakes were caused by some lack of confidence cause by Shocky's mannerisms or body language...that much a guarantee.
</P>


This pretty much ends the discussion. Eli wasn't playing poorly because of Shockey, Eli was playing poorly because Eli just wasn't that good. As for Dezz saying that Eli's numbers went up after shockey went down. To that I say, dont forget the 4 Int Minnesota game and Bradshaw running us into the playoffs against the Bills, your statement is just false.</P>





NOBODY SAID ELI WAS PLAYING POORLY BECAUSE OF SHOCKEY.

Its honestly like talking to rocks. The beauty of Shockey not being here anymore is that i dont have to see his name, so im officially out of this convo cuz anything said isn't registering anyway.

Nobody forgot those two games - they just have nothing to do with what we're talking about.
</P>


<FONT size=4>SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY SHOCKEY</FONT></P>

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 09:28 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/19518/eli-manning-sticks-up-for-tiki-barber

nice guy

sad...but....this is why you should really stfu.....face of an organization and he **** all over it.


Tiki doesn't work for NBC anymore, so where is his outlet where does he work?

Was that just a qoute out of no where?

Either way, Eli is class all the way. He dont even throw former teammates under the bus who have taken shots at him....

honestly, dude is grade A
</P>


oh i think they said that about an older quote? idk, im not reading again! =P</P>

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 09:29 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 09:30 AM
Why are we talking about old **** that clearly does not matter anymore? Seems stupid. We've won a superbowl since then, and have a largely new team, so...it just doesnt seem necessary to discuss this further.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 09:31 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</P>


You're smart to look to move him.</P>

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 09:33 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


did it go thru yet??

this is such a terrible idea for the pats. its like they are giving up after 4 weeks, and after slaughtering miami? I know moss is getting older, but there is no doubt he's still easily one of the best recievers in the leaugue, and possibly all time. I just dont see why this happened.</P>

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 09:34 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</P>


You're smart to look to move him.</P>i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:34 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/19518/eli-manning-sticks-up-for-tiki-barber

nice guy

sad...but....this is why you should really stfu.....face of an organization and he **** all over it.


Tiki doesn't work for NBC anymore, so where is his outlet where does he work?

Was that just a qoute out of no where?

Either way, Eli is class all the way. He dont even throw former teammates under the bus who have taken shots at him....

honestly, dude is grade A
</p>


oh i think they said that about an older quote? idk, im not reading again! =P</p>

i meant Tikis qoute about TC last week

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:35 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade

thats so sick i think

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 09:35 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


did it go thru yet??

this is such a terrible idea for the pats. its like they are giving up after 4 weeks, and after slaughtering miami? I know moss is getting older, but there is no doubt he's still easily one of the best recievers in the leaugue, and possibly all time. I just dont see why this happened.</P>i'm sure Brady's pissed, which might just explain whyMoss got no action monday night and was quiet about it

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 09:35 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</P>


You're smart to look to move him.</P>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</P>


May I ask why?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:36 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</p>


You're smart to look to move him.</p>

i think his fantasy stock was overhyped

in my eyes i think he actually becomes a lil closer to this than he would in NE. He was Oakland Randy out there.

He wasn't runnin hard for the past two years

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 09:37 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


did it go thru yet??

this is such a terrible idea for the pats. its like they are giving up after 4 weeks, and after slaughtering miami? I know moss is getting older, but there is no doubt he's still easily one of the best recievers in the leaugue, and possibly all time. I just dont see why this happened.</P>


i'm sure Brady's pissed, which might just explain whyMoss got no action monday night and was quiet about it</P>


Moss got no action because the Pats didn't have the ball all game. The ST's and defense scored twice, plus they blocked a punt for a very short field.</P>


Brady is always going to get the ball to the open man.</P>

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 09:38 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


did it go thru yet??

this is such a terrible idea for the pats. its like they are giving up after 4 weeks, and after slaughtering miami? I know moss is getting older, but there is no doubt he's still easily one of the best recievers in the leaugue, and possibly all time. I just dont see why this happened.</P>


i'm sure Brady's pissed, which might just explain whyMoss got no action monday night and was quiet about it</P>


yea i have mixed opinions on the ordeal. I mean i dont think Brady NEEDS Moss...i mean he got 3 rings with some randomass WRs...but....first the dude has to fight for a contract this offseason, and now they get rid of one ofthe best weapons in the leauge?!? Brady should be concerned for the future of that franchise</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:38 AM
i actually doubt the deal gets done. I read its pending on Randy if hes willing to sign the contract.

Its an extension and Brett Farve is only here for this year. This is def his last year hes just not the same guy, but the nagain maybe this will light a fire under his ***.

But still Randys gotta thing, okay so i sign a 3 year deal and then i get 3/4s of a season with Brett Farve then two years with Tavaris Jackson? No thanks

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 09:39 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</P>


You're smart to look to move him.</P>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</P>


May I ask why?</P>aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:40 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


did it go thru yet??

this is such a terrible idea for the pats. its like they are giving up after 4 weeks, and after slaughtering miami? I know moss is getting older, but there is no doubt he's still easily one of the best recievers in the leaugue, and possibly all time. I just dont see why this happened.</p>

na its not. Randy Moss isn't Randy Moss anymore. Hes def still a threat and a really good player, but they are not gonna pay him and hes gone next year. They just wanted value back. I think they like what they got there with Welker, Edlerman, and yes Woodhead. A dink and dump attack

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:41 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


did it go thru yet??

this is such a terrible idea for the pats. its like they are giving up after 4 weeks, and after slaughtering miami? I know moss is getting older, but there is no doubt he's still easily one of the best recievers in the leaugue, and possibly all time. I just dont see why this happened.</p>i'm sure Brady's pissed, which might just explain whyMoss got no action monday night and was quiet about it

yea u can see the look in bradys face when he would target moss and it wouldn't happen. This lovefest has been over for a while now and its was visible

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:43 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


did it go thru yet??

this is such a terrible idea for the pats. its like they are giving up after 4 weeks, and after slaughtering miami? I know moss is getting older, but there is no doubt he's still easily one of the best recievers in the leaugue, and possibly all time. I just dont see why this happened.</p>


i'm sure Brady's pissed, which might just explain whyMoss got no action monday night and was quiet about it</p>


yea i have mixed opinions on the ordeal. I mean i dont think Brady NEEDS Moss...i mean he got 3 rings with some randomass WRs...but....first the dude has to fight for a contract this offseason, and now they get rid of one ofthe best weapons in the leauge?!? Brady should be concerned for the future of that franchise</p>

thats the thing though, from the games i saw which was 2 or 3, he didn't look like a player with the fire of being in a contract year. I think a change of scenary is what was needed. Back to Minny is icing on the cake

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 09:45 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</P>


You're smart to look to move him.</P>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</P>


May I ask why?</P>


aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it</P>


I don't mean that, why on earth would you want Rice as his stock just dropped if randy becomes a Vike.</P>


Randy will still produce, just not quite like he would in NE.</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 09:50 AM
what the titties?! randy moss sis a vik again?! what a ****in fooooool

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 09:54 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</p>


You're smart to look to move him.</p>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</p>


May I ask why?</p>


aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it</p>


I don't mean that, why on earth would you want Rice as his stock just dropped if randy becomes a Vike.</p>


Randy will still produce, just not quite like he would in NE.</p>

i dont agree with that. I actually think hes gonna have a better tyear in Minny

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 09:56 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</p>


You're smart to look to move him.</p>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</p>


May I ask why?</p>


aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it</p>


I don't mean that, why on earth would you want Rice as his stock just dropped if randy becomes a Vike.</p>


Randy will still produce, just not quite like he would in NE.</p>

i dont agree with that. I actually think hes gonna have a better tyear in Minny
id like to smoke what youre smoking.

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 09:58 AM
i just dont get why the pats settled for a 3rd rounder. pats just got robbed

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:03 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</p>


You're smart to look to move him.</p>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</p>


May I ask why?</p>


aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it</p>


I don't mean that, why on earth would you want Rice as his stock just dropped if randy becomes a Vike.</p>


Randy will still produce, just not quite like he would in NE.</p>

i dont agree with that. I actually think hes gonna have a better tyear in Minny
id like to smoke what youre smoking.


fact of the matter is Randy wasn't Randy there this year. 4 games, 9 receptions 140 yards....

hes not the same guy. Not saying he couldn't be, but the effort wasn't there. He has been the Oakland Randy Moss since last year.... he needed some type of revival.

And honestly Welker became the #1 in NE this year anyway. In Minny, Moss is gonna be the man and maybe have a lil fire with him bein back there with Farve throwing the ball.

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:05 AM
i just dont get why the pats settled for a 3rd rounder. pats just got robbed


because it was either get a third rounder at best or just lose him at the end of the year.

He was phased out in a sense in NE, they dont need him. They like the fast attack of the three headed - White boy - WRs

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:05 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</P>


You're smart to look to move him.</P>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</P>


May I ask why?</P>


aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it</P>


I don't mean that, why on earth would you want Rice as his stock just dropped if randy becomes a Vike.</P>


Randy will still produce, just not quite like he would in NE.</P>




i dont agree with that. I actually think hes gonna have a better tyear in Minny
</P>


Other than your over emphasis on a players "emotional condition" in your little "I need a hug" society, the Vikes have a great weapon in AP. They also have a 41 year old QB. In NE, he is the #1 weapon. In Minn. he's not. All things the same, he won't have the #'s he would in NE.</P>


Much to my dismay. I drafted Brady because they had no running game, a bad defense and Randy Moss. Trust me, I'm not happy from a FF perspective.</P>

DavenIII
10-06-2010, 10:09 AM
NOBODY SAID ELI WAS PLAYING POORLY BECAUSE OF SHOCKEY.

are you kidding me? that's exactly what you've been saying...the only rock here is you.

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 10:10 AM
i just dont get why the pats settled for a 3rd rounder. pats just got robbed


because it was either get a third rounder at best or just lose him at the end of the year.

He was phased out in a sense in NE, they dont need him. They like the fast attack of the three headed - White boy - WRs
lol maybe thats why he left.
ehh i dont know. i think its going to take a few games for moss and farve to be on the same page.

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:11 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</p>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</p>


You're smart to look to move him.</p>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</p>


May I ask why?</p>


aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it</p>


I don't mean that, why on earth would you want Rice as his stock just dropped if randy becomes a Vike.</p>


Randy will still produce, just not quite like he would in NE.</p>




i dont agree with that. I actually think hes gonna have a better tyear in Minny
</p>


Other than your over emphasis on a players "emotional condition" in your little "I need a hug" society, the Vikes have a great weapon in AP. They also have a 41 year old QB. In NE, he is the #1 weapon. In Minn. he's not. All things the same, he won't have the #'s he would in NE.</p>


Much to my dismay. I drafted Brady because they had no running game, a bad defense and Randy Moss. Trust me, I'm not happy from a FF perspective.</p>

as much as u want to ignore the effect of the mental status of todays prima donnas, it doesn't change the fact that a happy players plays better than a not happy player.

ITs not "my" society. I didn't make it this way, im just realistic in how it works and not stuck in the past harping about "what would of happened"

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 10:11 AM
NOBODY SAID ELI WAS PLAYING POORLY BECAUSE OF SHOCKEY.

are you kidding me? that's exactly what you've been saying...the only rock here is you.
well i said it. cause its true. eli wasnt focusing 100% with him here

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:12 AM
NOBODY SAID ELI WAS PLAYING POORLY BECAUSE OF SHOCKEY.

are you kidding me? that's exactly what you've been saying...the only rock here is you.


no i said his progression was held back. And at time due to shockeys complaining, Eli def forced balls to appease him which also went for INTs

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:12 AM
i just dont get why the pats settled for a 3rd rounder. pats just got robbed


because it was either get a third rounder at best or just lose him at the end of the year.

He was phased out in a sense in NE, they dont need him. They like the fast attack of the three headed - White boy - WRs
lol maybe thats why he left.
ehh i dont know. i think its going to take a few games for moss and farve to be on the same page.
</P>


He didn't leave. He (it appears) has been traded. he got traded because the Pats figured they should get something for him instead of nothing at the end of the year.</P>


Plus, some have speculated that the Pats may package some of these draft picks for Vincent Jackson.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:13 AM
i just dont get why the pats settled for a 3rd rounder. pats just got robbed


because it was either get a third rounder at best or just lose him at the end of the year.

He was phased out in a sense in NE, they dont need him. They like the fast attack of the three headed - White boy - WRs
lol maybe thats why he left.
ehh i dont know. i think its going to take a few games for moss and farve to be on the same page.
</p>


He didn't leave. He (it appears) has been traded. he got traded because the Pats figured they should get something for him instead of nothing at the end of the year.</p>


Plus, some have speculated that the Pats may package some of these draft picks for Vincent Jackson.</p>

that would make sense AND be sick. I hope that happens lol... then me holding on to VJack = pay day

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:14 AM
Moss went to the Viks.. who's got Rice i'd like to make a trade</P>


Honestly, I think that Randy's FF stock gets a little lower with the trade. He's not the focus of the offense in Mnn. like he was in NE.</P>


You're smart to look to move him.</P>


i'm not lookin to move him, i'm looking to get both on my team..</P>


May I ask why?</P>


aslong as Favre can still throw the deep ball one of those dudes is gonna catch it</P>


I don't mean that, why on earth would you want Rice as his stock just dropped if randy becomes a Vike.</P>


Randy will still produce, just not quite like he would in NE.</P>




i dont agree with that. I actually think hes gonna have a better tyear in Minny
</P>


Other than your over emphasis on a players "emotional condition" in your little "I need a hug" society, the Vikes have a great weapon in AP. They also have a 41 year old QB. In NE, he is the #1 weapon. In Minn. he's not. All things the same, he won't have the #'s he would in NE.</P>


Much to my dismay. I drafted Brady because they had no running game, a bad defense and Randy Moss. Trust me, I'm not happy from a FF perspective.</P>




as much as u want to ignore the effect of the mental status of todays prima donnas, it doesn't change the fact that a happy players plays better than a not happy player.

ITs not "my" society. I didn't make it this way, im just realistic in how it works and not stuck in the past harping about "what would of happened"


</P>


It isyour society. It should just be called "Matt's soft society" from now on.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:16 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 10:17 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 10:18 AM
i just dont get why the pats settled for a 3rd rounder. pats just got robbed


because it was either get a third rounder at best or just lose him at the end of the year.

He was phased out in a sense in NE, they dont need him. They like the fast attack of the three headed - White boy - WRs
lol maybe thats why he left.
ehh i dont know. i think its going to take a few games for moss and farve to be on the same page.
</p>


He didn't leave. He (it appears) has been traded. he got traded because the Pats figured they should get something for him instead of nothing at the end of the year.</p>


Plus, some have speculated that the Pats may package some of these draft picks for Vincent Jackson.</p>you know what i meant. he wanted to leave. that would be a good idea. one pain in the *** for another.

DavenIII
10-06-2010, 10:19 AM
NOBODY SAID ELI WAS PLAYING POORLY BECAUSE OF SHOCKEY.

are you kidding me? that's exactly what you've been saying...the only rock here is you.


no i said his progression was held back. And at time due to shockeys complaining, Eli def forced balls to appease him which also went for INTs


No, that's not what you said, you said that Eli played better because Shockey left...which implies that you believed the cause of Eli's early woes was Shockey...

and anyhow, Shockey didn't hold back his progression, he was an integral part/tool in his progression actually, and I still don't believe that Eli forced balls to Shockey (or anyone) because he felt he was under pressure to....he forced balls...because he thought he could force them in there, and for no other reason...it was his choice.

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:20 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!</P>


Even if he plays for someone. He won't have much of a season. He really isn't worth much at all.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:45 AM
Is anyone still alive?

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 10:48 AM
Is anyone still alive?</P>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:49 AM
Is anyone still alive?</P>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</P>


</P>


I have to assume that it means they all realize that everything I have ever said is correct and they have no more arguments.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:49 AM
Is anyone still alive?</P>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</P>


</P>


I have to assume that it means they all realize that everything I have ever said is correct and they have no more arguments.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:50 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs

DavenIII
10-06-2010, 10:51 AM
I feel happy. I feel happy.

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 10:53 AM
so we fly out to huston this week. whats errrrbodies thinkin on this right hur

does eli light up hustons secondary?

does our running game put up more than 100yards? does bradshaw?

who has a better game, smith or nicks?


does our dline keep up the pressure ?

will goff continue playing well? will osi?

how many time will andre get wrecked by kenny, how many wrs will kenny kill on sunday?

will **** schwab kill us with 3 step drops?

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:54 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:56 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</P>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:56 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!</p>


Even if he plays for someone. He won't have much of a season. He really isn't worth much at all.</p>

dudes a top 5 WR in the league. YES with Calvin, Marshall, Fitz, and Andre.

Top 7 at worst

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:57 AM
Is anyone still alive?</p>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</p>

sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 10:57 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</P>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</P>

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 10:57 AM
flash of hope for my team in GMB A league.
Multiple news sources citing that Felix Jones is set to take a significant increase in carries this week.

What awful coaching in Dallas. Not that I give a **** from a Giants fan standpoint, but if you take a guy above Chris Johnson in the draft, you give the guy as much play time as possible and show that he is the ****. I know the guy is good, but apparently dallas doesnt care. lol

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:58 AM
I feel happy. I feel happy.

i feeeeel happy, im feelin glad

i got Sunnnshinneee in a bag

i'm useless, but no for long


the future, is coming on, is coming on, is comin on

ibleedblue85
10-06-2010, 10:59 AM
morninggggggggggg!</P>


</P>


bandy- you happy as a pig in **** today??????? lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 10:59 AM
so we fly out to huston this week. whats errrrbodies thinkin on this right hur

does eli light up hustons secondary?

does our running game put up more than 100yards? does bradshaw?

who has a better game, smith or nicks?


does our dline keep up the pressure ?

will goff continue playing well? will osi?

how many time will andre get wrecked by kenny, how many wrs will kenny kill on sunday?

will **** schwab kill us with 3 step drops?




u know what, i have ZERO feel on this game.

both teams, u just have no idea what ur gonna get

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 10:59 AM
Is anyone still alive?</P>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</P>




sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers
</P>


haha i feel your pain. I get alot of side jobs like that which sometimes make work a pain in the balls.

And also one of my closest friends is an Ecuadorian girl, so the language barrier poses a problem for certain things...mostly decifering text. hahaha, so i feel ya on both counts.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:01 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</p>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</p>

na theres a farve effect and probably a more driven mentality to play with Farve (As its well known how much he likes him) and to be back in the twin cities

and the Brady effect lost its luster this year...

if it didn't and Moss was playing hard, there would be ZERO reason to let him go...

stop it now pappy, the fact that they are trading him and dont want to give him an extension just confirms my points

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 11:01 AM
I feel happy. I feel happy.

i feeeeel happy, im feelin glad

i got Sunnnshinneee in a bag

i'm useless, but no for long


the future, is coming on, is coming on, is comin on
</P>


one of the greatest tunes of the past 15 years.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:01 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!</P>


Even if he plays for someone. He won't have much of a season. He really isn't worth much at all.</P>




dudes a top 5 WR in the league. YES with Calvin, Marshall, Fitz, and Andre.

Top 7 at worst
</P>


Maybe top 10, but thats not my point. Give him a few weeks to learn any new system and you get four or so decent games out of him in the FF season. Don't forget, he's not eligible to play until week 7.</P>


Plus, given the SD attitude about him, I think there is a real chance (better than 50/50) that he doesn't play at all this season.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:03 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</P>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</P>




na theres a farve effect and probably a more driven mentality to play with Farve (As its well known how much he likes him) and to be back in the twin cities

and the Brady effect lost its luster this year...

if it didn't and Moss was playing hard, there would be ZERO reason to let him go...

stop it now pappy, the fact that they are trading him just confirms my points
</P>


How's that Farve effect been going so far in Minn this season.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:03 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</p>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</p>

what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 11:07 AM
I feel happy. I feel happy.

i feeeeel happy, im feelin glad

i got Sunnnshinneee in a bag

i'm useless, but no for long


the future, is coming on, is coming on, is comin on
</p>


one of the greatest tunes of the past 15 years.</p>i got suuuunshine ina bag.[:D]

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:07 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</P>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</P>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</P>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</P>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:08 AM
flash of hope for my team in GMB A league.
Multiple news sources citing that Felix Jones is set to take a significant increase in carries this week.

What awful coaching in Dallas. Not that I give a **** from a Giants fan standpoint, but if you take a guy above Chris Johnson in the draft, you give the guy as much play time as possible and show that he is the ****. I know the guy is good, but apparently dallas doesnt care. lol

that is good news for me in my big money league, i just picked felix up.

Garrett and Wade are honestly DISGUSTING coaches. They have no idea how to game plan. How they can avoid the run after how their year went last year is pitiful. Just shows they should be canned

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:12 AM
Is anyone still alive?</p>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</p>




sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers
</p>


haha i feel your pain. I get alot of side jobs like that which sometimes make work a pain in the balls.

And also one of my closest friends is an Ecuadorian girl, so the language barrier poses a problem for certain things...mostly decifering text. hahaha, so i feel ya on both counts.</p>

uhg it sucks lol

but the good news is my boss just came in and asked me if im gonna be available to work overtime for the next month, 2 hours a day... heyyyooooo

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:13 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!</p>


Even if he plays for someone. He won't have much of a season. He really isn't worth much at all.</p>




dudes a top 5 WR in the league. YES with Calvin, Marshall, Fitz, and Andre.

Top 7 at worst
</p>


Maybe top 10, but thats not my point. Give him a few weeks to learn any new system and you get four or so decent games out of him in the FF season. Don't forget, he's not eligible to play until week 7.</p>


Plus, given the SD attitude about him, I think there is a real chance (better than 50/50) that he doesn't play at all this season.</p>

i dont think it matters for the most part besides option routes when u got two players like Moss n Farve

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:15 AM
Is anyone still alive?</P>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</P>




sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers
</P>


haha i feel your pain. I get alot of side jobs like that which sometimes make work a pain in the balls.

And also one of my closest friends is an Ecuadorian girl, so the language barrier poses a problem for certain things...mostly decifering text. hahaha, so i feel ya on both counts.</P>




uhg it sucks lol

but the good news is my boss just came in and asked me if im gonna be available to work overtime for the next month, 2 hours a day... heyyyooooo
</P>


Could you please change your avatar. We won last week.</P>


Bad Bad Karma.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:15 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</p>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</p>




na theres a farve effect and probably a more driven mentality to play with Farve (As its well known how much he likes him) and to be back in the twin cities

and the Brady effect lost its luster this year...

if it didn't and Moss was playing hard, there would be ZERO reason to let him go...

stop it now pappy, the fact that they are trading him just confirms my points
</p>


How's that Farve effect been going so far in Minn this season.</p>

Bernard Berrian and Greg Camarillo? Not that good

with Randy Moss? You just got done blowing him, now u think Farve wont be able to get him the ball?

How bout a lil consistancy old man

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:16 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!</P>


Even if he plays for someone. He won't have much of a season. He really isn't worth much at all.</P>




dudes a top 5 WR in the league. YES with Calvin, Marshall, Fitz, and Andre.

Top 7 at worst
</P>


Maybe top 10, but thats not my point. Give him a few weeks to learn any new system and you get four or so decent games out of him in the FF season. Don't forget, he's not eligible to play until week 7.</P>


Plus, given the SD attitude about him, I think there is a real chance (better than 50/50) that he doesn't play at all this season.</P>




i dont think it matters for the most part besides option routes when u got two players like Moss n Farve
</P>


I was talking about Vincent Jackson. Randy will be fine in Minn. just not quite as good as NE.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:17 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</p>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</p>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</p>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</p>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</p>

well then its official, JG is always on point

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:17 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</P>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</P>




na theres a farve effect and probably a more driven mentality to play with Farve (As its well known how much he likes him) and to be back in the twin cities

and the Brady effect lost its luster this year...

if it didn't and Moss was playing hard, there would be ZERO reason to let him go...

stop it now pappy, the fact that they are trading him just confirms my points
</P>


How's that Farve effect been going so far in Minn this season.</P>




Bernard Berrian and Greg Camarillo? Not that good

with Randy Moss? You just got done blowing him, now u think Farve wont be able to get him the ball?

How bout a lil consistancy old man
</P>


Who was I blowing in your little scenario?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:17 AM
Is anyone still alive?</p>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</p>




sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers
</p>


haha i feel your pain. I get alot of side jobs like that which sometimes make work a pain in the balls.

And also one of my closest friends is an Ecuadorian girl, so the language barrier poses a problem for certain things...mostly decifering text. hahaha, so i feel ya on both counts.</p>




uhg it sucks lol

but the good news is my boss just came in and asked me if im gonna be available to work overtime for the next month, 2 hours a day... heyyyooooo
</p>


Could you please change your avatar. We won last week.</p>


Bad Bad Karma.</p>

or possibly good luck?

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:18 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!</p>


Even if he plays for someone. He won't have much of a season. He really isn't worth much at all.</p>




dudes a top 5 WR in the league. YES with Calvin, Marshall, Fitz, and Andre.

Top 7 at worst
</p>


Maybe top 10, but thats not my point. Give him a few weeks to learn any new system and you get four or so decent games out of him in the FF season. Don't forget, he's not eligible to play until week 7.</p>


Plus, given the SD attitude about him, I think there is a real chance (better than 50/50) that he doesn't play at all this season.</p>




i dont think it matters for the most part besides option routes when u got two players like Moss n Farve
</p>


I was talking about Vincent Jackson. Randy will be fine in Minn. just not quite as good as NE.</p>

i beg to differ

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:19 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</P>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</P>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</P>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</P>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</P>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</P>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</P>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:19 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</p>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</p>




na theres a farve effect and probably a more driven mentality to play with Farve (As its well known how much he likes him) and to be back in the twin cities

and the Brady effect lost its luster this year...

if it didn't and Moss was playing hard, there would be ZERO reason to let him go...

stop it now pappy, the fact that they are trading him just confirms my points
</p>


How's that Farve effect been going so far in Minn this season.</p>




Bernard Berrian and Greg Camarillo? Not that good

with Randy Moss? You just got done blowing him, now u think Farve wont be able to get him the ball?

How bout a lil consistancy old man
</p>


Who was I blowing in your little scenario?</p>

bad randy

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Is anyone still alive?</P>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</P>




sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers
</P>


haha i feel your pain. I get alot of side jobs like that which sometimes make work a pain in the balls.

And also one of my closest friends is an Ecuadorian girl, so the language barrier poses a problem for certain things...mostly decifering text. hahaha, so i feel ya on both counts.</P>




uhg it sucks lol

but the good news is my boss just came in and asked me if im gonna be available to work overtime for the next month, 2 hours a day... heyyyooooo
</P>


Could you please change your avatar. We won last week.</P>


Bad Bad Karma.</P>




or possibly good luck?
</P>


You had it up before the Tenn. game. You have no effect on the Cosmos.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</p>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</p>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</p>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</p>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</p>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</p>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</p>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</p>

lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:22 AM
Is anyone still alive?</p>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</p>




sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers
</p>


haha i feel your pain. I get alot of side jobs like that which sometimes make work a pain in the balls.

And also one of my closest friends is an Ecuadorian girl, so the language barrier poses a problem for certain things...mostly decifering text. hahaha, so i feel ya on both counts.</p>




uhg it sucks lol

but the good news is my boss just came in and asked me if im gonna be available to work overtime for the next month, 2 hours a day... heyyyooooo
</p>


Could you please change your avatar. We won last week.</p>


Bad Bad Karma.</p>




or possibly good luck?
</p>


You had it up before the Tenn. game. You have no effect on the Cosmos.</p>

touche

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:23 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</P>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</P>




na theres a farve effect and probably a more driven mentality to play with Farve (As its well known how much he likes him) and to be back in the twin cities

and the Brady effect lost its luster this year...

if it didn't and Moss was playing hard, there would be ZERO reason to let him go...

stop it now pappy, the fact that they are trading him just confirms my points
</P>


How's that Farve effect been going so far in Minn this season.</P>




Bernard Berrian and Greg Camarillo? Not that good

with Randy Moss? You just got done blowing him, now u think Farve wont be able to get him the ball?

How bout a lil consistancy old man
</P>


Who was I blowing in your little scenario?</P>




bad randy


</P>


My point is that he won't be quite as good in Minn as he was or would be in NE. For 2 reasons.</P>


1. Brett Favre has not shown that he is any good anymore.</P>


2. Adrian Peterson is still the best player on that team and will still be the focal point of that offense.</P>


Randy will however, still be very productive and I'd take him on my FF team in the #1 spot still.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:24 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</P>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</P>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</P>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</P>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</P>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</P>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</P>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</P>




lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater
</P>


Not what I heard. </P>


Lets just leave it there.</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 11:26 AM
Is anyone still alive?</p>


yep. im just also wondering why nobody is posting. lol</p>




sorry got busy at work. Im on this internal audit team for this certification we need to get to make the big doll***z roll in

the biggest pain in the *** side job in the world. And my partner, is a girl from production who barely speaks english, so aka i get to do the audits all by myself. Cool chick, but shes just really learning the language.

****ers
</p>


haha i feel your pain. I get alot of side jobs like that which sometimes make work a pain in the balls.

And also one of my closest friends is an Ecuadorian girl, so the language barrier poses a problem for certain things...mostly decifering text. hahaha, so i feel ya on both counts.</p>




uhg it sucks lol

but the good news is my boss just came in and asked me if im gonna be available to work overtime for the next month, 2 hours a day... heyyyooooo
</p>


Could you please change your avatar. We won last week.</p>


Bad Bad Karma.</p>




or possibly good luck?
</p>


You had it up before the Tenn. game. You have no effect on the Cosmos.</p>lol

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 11:31 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:32 AM
Oh and by the way Matt, The "Oakland Randy" last year had 1263 yards and 13 TD's.

that was mostly the Brady effect... had he actually looked interested last year Pats would of been lookin to resign him and not trade him by week 4 this year.

It was under achieving - which is sick

and this year hes on page for under 600 yards and 8 TDs
</p>


You realize of course there is no "Brady Effect"in Minnesota....Right?</p>




na theres a farve effect and probably a more driven mentality to play with Farve (As its well known how much he likes him) and to be back in the twin cities

and the Brady effect lost its luster this year...

if it didn't and Moss was playing hard, there would be ZERO reason to let him go...

stop it now pappy, the fact that they are trading him just confirms my points
</p>


How's that Farve effect been going so far in Minn this season.</p>




Bernard Berrian and Greg Camarillo? Not that good

with Randy Moss? You just got done blowing him, now u think Farve wont be able to get him the ball?

How bout a lil consistancy old man
</p>


Who was I blowing in your little scenario?</p>




bad randy


</p>


My point is that he won't be quite as good in Minn as he was or would be in NE. For 2 reasons.</p>


1. Brett Favre has not shown that he is any good anymore.</p>


2. Adrian Peterson is still the best player on that team and will still be the focal point of that offense.</p>


Randy will however, still be very productive and I'd take him on my FF team in the #1 spot still.</p>

Yea but u gotta take two things into account about Farve

1) slow start he is older, i expect him to get much better with or without Moss

2) With moss, he will be ALOT better. His only receiving option was Shiancoe

AP is a beast and he was last year. Moss will take Rice's role. And if Rice does come back healthy ohhh mannnn

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:33 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
</P>


Baseball season is over. What are you talking about?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:33 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</p>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</p>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</p>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</p>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</p>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</p>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</p>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</p>




lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater
</p>


Not what I heard. </p>


Lets just leave it there.</p>

lol dude, im saying u are right

u said Jay Glazer reported it, then i said basically **** what i heard cuz hes always on point

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:35 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</P>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</P>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</P>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</P>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</P>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</P>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</P>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</P>




lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater
</P>


Not what I heard. </P>


Lets just leave it there.</P>




lol dude, im saying u are right

u said Jay Glazer reported it, then i said basically **** what i heard cuz hes always on point
</P>


The "not what I heard"comment was a response to your "I'm greater" comment.</P>


When in fact, you are worse.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:35 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay


nay, my ****in cable boxes haven't come in yet

i'll be gamecasting on my iphone

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 11:36 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
</p>


Baseball season is over. What are you talking about?</p>now dont be sore loser pappy. like you said theres always next year, for the losers.

patsrule666
10-06-2010, 11:36 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</P>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</P>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:37 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</p>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</p>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</p>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</p>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</p>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</p>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</p>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</p>




lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater
</p>


Not what I heard. </p>


Lets just leave it there.</p>




lol dude, im saying u are right

u said Jay Glazer reported it, then i said basically **** what i heard cuz hes always on point
</p>


The "not what I heard"comment was a response to your "I'm greater" comment.</p>


When in fact, you are worse.</p>

i am THEE greatest

http://vjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ali-greatest.jpg

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:40 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</P>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</P>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</P>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</P>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</P>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</P>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</P>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</P>




lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater
</P>


Not what I heard. </P>


Lets just leave it there.</P>




lol dude, im saying u are right

u said Jay Glazer reported it, then i said basically **** what i heard cuz hes always on point
</P>


The "not what I heard"comment was a response to your "I'm greater" comment.</P>


When in fact, you are worse.</P>




i am THEE greatest

http://vjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ali-greatest.jpg
</P>


What you need to understand Matt, is that your inadequacies are what make you so precious to us.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:40 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</p>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</p>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</p>

162 games of 4 hours with 30 minutes of action is not a fun sport to watch

but i've always been following.. they are just mad that ii told them hughes would fall off and that his record is really overrated considerings hes had the best run support in the league

EDIT: Oh and that Vaz blows and can't pitch in the AL

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 11:41 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</p>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</p>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</p>lol how are you doing today? how you taking the moss news?

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 11:42 AM
I will miss some of the game tonight, but im ok with it, I'll be SPITTIN GAME instead in hopes to land the most banginest arm candy around. lol

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</p>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</p>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</p>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</p>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</p>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</p>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</p>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</p>




lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater
</p>


Not what I heard. </p>


Lets just leave it there.</p>




lol dude, im saying u are right

u said Jay Glazer reported it, then i said basically **** what i heard cuz hes always on point
</p>


The "not what I heard"comment was a response to your "I'm greater" comment.</p>


When in fact, you are worse.</p>




i am THEE greatest

http://vjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ali-greatest.jpg
</p>


What you need to understand Matt, is that your inadequacies are what make you so precious to us.</p>

and the fact that u are a turncoat yankee to boston fan is what makes u special to me

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:43 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</P>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</P>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</P>


lol how are you doing today? how you taking the moss news?
</P>


The Danny Woodhead era now begins in Foxborough.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:44 AM
Yea I'm holding onto him in my other league also(VJax I mean). So is he playing after suspension or what?!

unless SD gives him a HUUGE contract, which i doubt, then no.


And honestly im not really believing the NE rumors either, i heard BB wanted to clear cap space not take on a huge contract of a big time WR


Anybody know the details of the moss contract? I am actually surprised he agreed to be in the Tavaris Jackson era in Minny. I highly doubt farve comes bcak
</P>


Word is he has had no contact as yet with Minn regarding a contract. He doesn't get to decide by the way. I've heard nothing about any no trade clause.</P>




what i read was that minny wouldn't want to do it unless he signed an extension
</P>


Jay Glazer says that Minn wants to do the deal and worry about the contract later.</P>


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510</P>




well then its official, JG is always on point
</P>


I never said it was definately true. You told me about something "you read" and I'm showing you something I read.</P>


Get over yourself. You're not that great.</P>




lolol... im not being sarcastic. Im saying take it to the bank. JG is truely always on point


and ur right, i'm even greater
</P>


Not what I heard. </P>


Lets just leave it there.</P>




lol dude, im saying u are right

u said Jay Glazer reported it, then i said basically **** what i heard cuz hes always on point
</P>


The "not what I heard"comment was a response to your "I'm greater" comment.</P>


When in fact, you are worse.</P>




i am THEE greatest

http://vjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ali-greatest.jpg
</P>


What you need to understand Matt, is that your inadequacies are what make you so precious to us.</P>




and the fact that u are a turncoat yankee to boston fan is what makes u special to me
</P>


Then we both win, don't we?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:44 AM
aka - the three WHITE WR era

hasn't been done since the 50s

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:46 AM
Then we both win, don't we?</p>


well we win, u live in misery

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:47 AM
Then we both win, don't we?</P>





well we win, u live in misery
</P>


I beg to differ. I am a "glass half full" kind of guy.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 11:48 AM
Then we both win, don't we?</p>





well we win, u live in misery
</p>


I beg to differ. I am a "glass half full" kind of guy.</p>

ur a no glass kinda guy as of the moment, ur team is playing golf

except for ORtiz, hes eating a Sloppy Joe somewhere

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 11:49 AM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</p>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</p>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</p>

162 games of 4 hours with 30 minutes of action is not a fun sport to watch

but i've always been following.. they are just mad that ii told them hughes would fall off and that his record is really overrated considerings hes had the best run support in the league

EDIT: Oh and that Vaz blows and can't pitch in the AL
hughes didnt "fall off", and how would you know if he did? haha
vaz was inconsistent. lol he did better than 80 million dollar aj

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 11:51 AM
Then we both win, don't we?</P>





well we win, u live in misery
</P>


I beg to differ. I am a "glass half full" kind of guy.</P>




ur a no glass kinda guy as of the moment, ur team is playing golf

except for ORtiz, hes eating a Sloppy Joe somewhere
</P>


My team is getting ready to play in Houston right now.</P>


I am playing golf however.</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 11:56 AM
Then we both win, don't we?</p>





well we win, u live in misery
</p>


I beg to differ. I am a "glass half full" kind of guy.</p>

ur a no glass kinda guy as of the moment, ur team is playing golf

except for ORtiz, hes eating a Sloppy Joe somewhere
havent had sloppy joes in a while.

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:01 PM
guess who was named nfc offensive player of the week? yes ahmad bradshaw

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 12:05 PM
guess who was named nfc offensive player of the week? yes ahmad bradshaw
</P>


Was Shockey 2nd?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 12:07 PM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</p>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</p>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</p>

162 games of 4 hours with 30 minutes of action is not a fun sport to watch

but i've always been following.. they are just mad that ii told them hughes would fall off and that his record is really overrated considerings hes had the best run support in the league

EDIT: Oh and that Vaz blows and can't pitch in the AL
hughes didnt "fall off", and how would you know if he did? haha
vaz was inconsistent. lol he did better than 80 million dollar aj


not vs the AL

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 12:09 PM
By the way, I accidentally clicked on "enable email subcription" on the game thread on Sunday night, and had over 1500 emails in an hour.</P>


Don't ever do that people. I'm warning you. And if you do, don't do it on the busiest thread in the history of the Giants MB.</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:09 PM
guess who was named nfc offensive player of the week? yes ahmad bradshaw
</p>


Was Shockey 2nd?</p>yea him and all 58 yards and zero tds. hes sooooo good

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 12:10 PM
guess who was named nfc offensive player of the week? yes ahmad bradshaw
</P>


Was Shockey 2nd?</P>


yea him and all 58 yards a zero tds. hes sooooo good
</P>


It was a joke at Daven's and Pizzlestick's expense.</P>


Calm down.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 12:12 PM
Hughes ERA before the break: 3.51

Hughes ERA after the break : 4.92

how did hughes not fall off again?

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:13 PM
guess who was named nfc offensive player of the week? yes ahmad bradshaw
</p>


Was Shockey 2nd?</p>


yea him and all 58 yards a zero tds. hes sooooo good
</p>


It was a joke at Daven's and Pizzlestick's expense.</p>


Calm down.</p>can never tell with you pappy. you have a dry sense of humor as it is

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 12:13 PM
By the way, I accidentally clicked on "enable email subcription" on the game thread on Sunday night, and had over 1500 emails in an hour.</p>


Don't ever do that people. I'm warning you. And if you do, don't do it on the busiest thread in the history of the Giants MB.</p>

lol i did that once

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 12:14 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 12:14 PM
goin to lunch, bbl

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2010, 12:15 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 12:16 PM
guess who was named nfc offensive player of the week? yes ahmad bradshaw
</P>


Was Shockey 2nd?</P>


yea him and all 58 yards a zero tds. hes sooooo good
</P>


It was a joke at Daven's and Pizzlestick's expense.</P>


Calm down.</P>


can never tell with you pappy. you have a dry sense of humor as it is
</P>


You have no idea.</P>


http://www.africatravelpictures.com/travel-picture-Africa-Morocco-Sahara-Dunes-Alexbip.jpg</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:16 PM
Hughes ERA before the break: 3.51

Hughes ERA after the break : 4.92

how did hughes not fall off again?
cause we were still winning.[:)] guy almost won 20 games his first year starting in the AL matt, give the kid some credit.


im ****ing nervous about our starters......we need a 4th guy, desperately.


rangers and rays will be a good series, i dont know who id rather play.

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 12:19 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such
not happenin, soooo let me take him off your hands to save you from lookin foolish

Morehead State
10-06-2010, 12:21 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such
not happenin, soooo let me take him off your hands to save you from lookin foolish</P>


VJack is a waste of time in FF this season. If I was Matt I'd trade him for a lower level bench player.</P>

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 12:29 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such
not happenin, soooo let me take him off your hands to save you from lookin foolish</P>


VJack is a waste of time in FF this season. If I was Matt I'd trade him for a lower level bench player.</P>i'd slightly overpay for him, he's worth taking achance on

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:33 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such
not happenin, soooo let me take him off your hands to save you from lookin foolish</p>


VJack is a waste of time in FF this season. If I was Matt I'd trade him for a lower level bench player.</p>i'd slightly overpay for him, he's worth taking achance onmehhh

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 12:36 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such
not happenin, soooo let me take him off your hands to save you from lookin foolish</P>


VJack is a waste of time in FF this season. If I was Matt I'd trade him for a lower level bench player.</P>i'd slightly overpay for him, he's worth taking achance onmehhhi'll underpay for Farve if you'd like?

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:37 PM
donald trump might run for president????

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:40 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such
not happenin, soooo let me take him off your hands to save you from lookin foolish</p>


VJack is a waste of time in FF this season. If I was Matt I'd trade him for a lower level bench player.</p>i'd slightly overpay for him, he's worth taking achance onmehhhi'll underpay for Farve if you'd like?no lol

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 12:41 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</P>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</P>

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 12:44 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</P>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</P>what team did he run..

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 12:46 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</P>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</P>


what team did he run..</P>


NY/NJ Generals I think....USFL team in the 80s
and actually I guess they were considered a pro team since the league was supposed to rival the NFL</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 12:48 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</p>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</p>lol yea i really dont know what to make of it. i mean hes good with business, hes is a no nonsense guy, and we need that, buuuut its funny is the only word i can think of.

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 12:52 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</P>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</P>


what team did he run..</P>


NY/NJ Generals I think....USFL team in the 80s
and actually I guess they were considered a pro team since the league was supposed to <FONT color=#0000ff>rival the NFL</FONT></P>that in itself is a bad idea

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 12:53 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</P>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</P>lol yea i really dont know what to make of it. i mean hes good with business, hes is a no nonsense guy, and we need that, buuuut its funny is the only word i can think of.
maybe he'll have a reality show to find his VP

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 12:57 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</P>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</P>


what team did he run..</P>


NY/NJ Generals I think....USFL team in the 80s
and actually I guess they were considered a pro team since the league was supposed to rival the NFL</P>


that in itself is a bad idea</P>


the league? yea i guess so. there's an awesome documentary about it by espn 30 for 30. about how when one of the owners, and original creators of the league died of cancer, trump demanded a move toa fall schedule to compete directly with the NFL and it eventually was it's demise. So trump actually destroyed the usfl.</P>


some cool history surrounds the era though, cuz the USFL was home to players like Hershel Walker, Jim Kelly, and Steve young before their nfl careers.
The very first draft pick was Dan Marino, but he never signed, obviously.</P>

JPizzack
10-06-2010, 12:58 PM
lol i love the Yahoo! headline of the Moss trade:</P>


"The Brad Childress-Randy Moss experiment could pay huge dividends for the Vikings Ė or completely implode, and fast."</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 01:00 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</p>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</p>lol yea i really dont know what to make of it. i mean hes good with business, hes is a no nonsense guy, and we need that, buuuut its funny is the only word i can think of.
maybe he'll have a reality show to find his VPexactly, maybe thats why i dont take it seriously. i thought it was awesome of him to make a counter offer to the people that own the mosque, but yeaaaa "ya fyad" just makes me laugh. lol although him saying "i fyad....a nuke at iran" would also make me laugh.

patsrule666
10-06-2010, 01:02 PM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</P>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</P>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</P>


lol how are you doing today? how you taking the moss news?
Just awesome. You may find this hard to believe, but i actually think we just became a better team because of it. We still have plenty of weapons on offense. The guys we DO have here want to play and they will play hard all the time, and won't gripe because they don't get the ball thrown to them every other play.</P>


We may have lost a deep threat, but we were a half way decent team before Moss was here, and i think we will be a half decent team now that he is gone....</P>


Besides, Vincent Jackson is dying to get on the field.....lol.</P>

bigblue4417
10-06-2010, 01:04 PM
By the way, I accidentally clicked on "enable email subcription" on the game thread on Sunday night, and had over 1500 emails in an hour.</p>


Don't ever do that people. I'm warning you. And if you do, don't do it on the busiest thread in the history of the Giants MB.</p>
LOL

That is very funny

Just so you know, BenJavarus is the starter...

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 01:04 PM
donald trump might run for president????
</P>


he couldnt even run a semi-pro football team, why should he be able to handle anything serious??? lol</P>


what team did he run..</P>


NY/NJ Generals I think....USFL team in the 80s
and actually I guess they were considered a pro team since the league was supposed to rival the NFL</P>


that in itself is a bad idea</P>


the league? yea i guess so. there's an awesome documentary about it by espn 30 for 30. about how when one of the owners, and original creators of the league died of cancer, trump demanded a move toa fall schedule to compete directly with the NFL and it eventually was it's demise. So trump actually destroyed the usfl.</P>


some cool history surrounds the era though, cuz the USFL was home to players like Hershel Walker, Jim Kelly, and Steve young before their nfl careers.
The very first draft pick was Dan Marino, but he never signed, obviously.</P>probably wasn't as bad a move as i originally thought.. the NFL wasn't as popular as it is now.. they had a shot to be #1 i guess

bigblue4417
10-06-2010, 01:05 PM
MMB can i steal VJack?

honestly the only reason im holding him still is because there is rumors hes going to NE, so im going to treat him as such

If he goes to anyone it is me. That is for DAMN sure

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 01:08 PM
playoffs tonight, will matt actually watch his first baseball game this year?! yaa or nay
Matt who?? I don't know any Yankee fan named Matt.....lol.</p>


Where's Lawl?? we need to talk about some kind of wager...</p>


He's got his boy Timmy going against Derek Lowe in the opener...</p>


lol how are you doing today? how you taking the moss news?
Just awesome. You may find this hard to believe, but i actually think we just became a better team because of it. We still have plenty of weapons on offense. The guys we DO have here want to play and they will play hard all the time, and won't gripe because they don't get the ball thrown to them every other play.</p>


We may have lost a deep threat, but we were a half way decent team before Moss was here, and i think we will be a half decent team now that he is gone....</p>


Besides, Vincent Jackson is dying to get on the field.....lol.</p>you mean you think he was a distraction and the team might be better off with out him????? ya dont say. pardon my jab at daven, mh, and lawl.[:)]
imo i dont understand why people dont think wes cant be a deep threat. is it his height? the guys faster than matt getting laid.

bigblue4417
10-06-2010, 01:10 PM
PM

bigblue4417
10-06-2010, 01:12 PM
Pats have 2 picks in the 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th round of the 2011 draft.

They run a team better than anyone in the league I think and always draft good players. Dangerous!

dezzzR
10-06-2010, 01:15 PM
Pats have 2 picks in the 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th round of the 2011 draft.

They run a team better than anyone in the league I think and always draft good players. Dangerous!
how the **** do they always do that? seriously? lol

bigblue4417
10-06-2010, 01:16 PM
Morehead...

I think there are more QB's out there if you want to grab a couple.

bigblue4417
10-06-2010, 01:18 PM
Pats have 2 picks in the 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th round of the 2011 draft.

They run a team better than anyone in the league I think and always draft good players. Dangerous!
how the **** do they always do that? seriously? lol


I don't know man. It's crazy.

Plus you know they are going to move up and grab someone great. They are loaded.

They already have the Raiders 1st rd pick to.

bandwgn86
10-06-2010, 01:21 PM
Pats have 2 picks in the 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th round of the 2011 draft.

They run a team better than anyone in the league I think and always draft good players. Dangerous!
how the **** do they always do that? seriously? lol

We could do the samewe just trade away talent..