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bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 04:37 PM
I offered Portis for Moss before I found out <span>he was </span><span>hurt.

S</span><span>hould be Brown or Moss for Bus</span><span>h and Wells. Not bot</span><span>h lol</span><span></span><span></span>

well the fact that ur even considering Brown and Moss on the same level is discrediting your argument

I am pretty <span>hig</span><span>h on Moss t</span><span>his year.

Not</span><span>hing is discredited about it. You know t</span><span>he trade is bulls</span><span>hit.

If it was me you would be bitc</span><span>hin more t</span><span>han me.
</span>

well see this is why u have to stop with ur crying about other trades. Because in my big money league, I would MAYBE consider Moss as a #1 backup (WR4) - u have to realize not everybody values players teh same way u do... if we all did fantasy football would be boring

its a bad trade - no doubt. Most rejectable? Yes, but <font color="#0000ff">let the two top dogs slug it out</font>

and u always say that but yet i went to bat for u last year one some trades where u ****ted on people, so its time to let go of that theory


If t<span>his trade is not rejected t</span><span>hen we may as well not reject anyt</span><span>hing</span>

I never Osi'd<span> on people. I gave V Jack and Menden</span><span>hall for CJ. Was t</span><span>hat not fair? W</span><span>ho knew CJ would keep doing t</span><span>hat.

AND

I am t</span><span>he mot</span><span>her****en top dog</span><span> </span>

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 04:38 PM
this is every 3 ****ing months and this convo is happening. im sick of it. </p>

why dont u cry about it?



SADDDLE BAGS

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 04:39 PM
whats your guys take on peyton hillis?


hes doin it and mangenious loves him...

and i'd take him over Wells and Bush hahahahahahaha
would you break the bank for him?



define break the bank?

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 04:40 PM
Doesn't matter w<span>hat I t</span><span>hink or say....Do w</span><span>hat you </span><span>have to do. You know my vote.

Daven is somew</span><span>hat rig</span><span>ht about S</span><span>hock t</span><span>hinking </span><span>he can use t</span><span>hose players. W</span><span>hatever...

I guess More</span><span>head didn't know w</span><span>hat to do cause </span><span>he couldn't believe </span><span>his eyes. lol
</span>

yea thats really the most confusing part about this

Moorehead needed some type of assurance from us? lol this is an absolute no brainer

Funny <span>how </span><span>he just vanis</span><span>hed</span><span>. lol
</span>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 04:41 PM
Matt knows it and Amanda knows it. It is way unfair.

Matt already said it earlier.

If one person vetoes the trade it can't go through. That is what we agreed on.

Like I said, that is worse than any trade in our league to this day.

I don't even know what Shock is thinking, neither do you Amanda.

No ****ing way!!!
</P>


whoa.. the only ONE veto that means enough to reject is mine... dont get it twisted. not everyone is going to agree. i can overturn anythign as the commish or matt if it involves me. otherwise its based on majority</P>





na na na na na. If someone vetoes and its question able at all then it goes to the vote, u have a vote worth 1.5 thats how we diced it next year...
</P>


i am the most fair person in here.. i have yet to step on one persons toes. i post everything in our league because thats how i am....<U> if i feel something is that unfair and you guys dont tough **** im not puttin it through</U>... chances are it will never happen but if thats how you guys want to play it.</P>


starting after sunday, we will go to league rules and you wait 2 days for your trade to go thru then next year find a new commish. like it or leave it. ive had enough with the ****ing bickering</P>


im not saying youre not fair, but what part of that sounds fair to you? lol
</P>


there is a commish in every league. thats how it is... they have the final say... you guys have no clue how hard this **** can be to deal with.. you make it likes nothing but because you guys arent always the most on top of it like you should be it makes it 10 times harder on me.</P>


</P>


regardless we need a commish and if you are all gonna ***** and question it then honestly im done.. this is every 3 ****ing months and this convo is happening. im sick of it. </P>


.................... i just thought it sounded funny......[:$]
</P>


i didnt mean to spaz on you... just lando and mmb are pissing me the **** off. imagine what this league would be like if one of those two ran it. seriously. so yeah it gets annoying. i am the one that deals with all the aggravation then it basically is no **** you amanda.</P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 04:43 PM
Doesn't matter w<SPAN>hat I t</SPAN><SPAN>hink or say....Do w</SPAN><SPAN>hat you </SPAN><SPAN>have to do. You know my vote.

Daven is somew</SPAN><SPAN>hat rig</SPAN><SPAN>ht about S</SPAN><SPAN>hock t</SPAN><SPAN>hinking </SPAN><SPAN>he can use t</SPAN><SPAN>hose players. W</SPAN><SPAN>hatever...

I guess More</SPAN><SPAN>head didn't know w</SPAN><SPAN>hat to do cause </SPAN><SPAN>he couldn't believe </SPAN><SPAN>his eyes. lol
</SPAN></P>


i know that and to be honest you rpissing the the **** off lol</P>

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 04:45 PM
W<span>hat t</span><span>he </span><span>hell did I do Amanda?

I don't even t</span><span>hink I said your name.

I just said t</span><span>hat you said it was not a good trade eit</span><span>her.

I never asked you to Veto it.

It goes to a vote....so vote.



</span>

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 04:46 PM
whats your guys take on peyton hillis?


hes doin it and mangenious loves him...

and i'd take him over Wells and Bush hahahahahahaha
would you break the bank for him?



define break the bank?
hillis for forsett and gonzo or shiancoe, but hes going to want desaun. raghh

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 04:47 PM
W<SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>hell did I do Amanda?

I don't even t</SPAN><SPAN>hink I said your name.

I just said t</SPAN><SPAN>hat you said it was not a good trade eit</SPAN><SPAN>her.

I never asked you to Veto it.

It goes to a vote....so vote.



</SPAN></P>


it is not a good trade at all but if i am thinking the same way shock is then honestly yes i clearly see WHY he made that trade. not the i woulda personally and its still bad.. BUT it also makes sense if the upside pans thats all</P>

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 04:50 PM
i know that and to be honest you rpissing the the **** off lol
T<span>hen w</span><span>hy are you laug</span><span>hing about it?

I don't even know w</span><span>hat I did....lol

Pizz disagrees to, are you mad at </span><span>him?

I am not scared of you woman, you can play all big and bad commis</span><span>h wit</span><span>h me. I know you are a kitty
</span>

DavenIII
10-07-2010, 04:51 PM
If t<span>his trade is not rejected t</span><span>hen we may as well not reject anyt</span><span>hing</span><span></span><span> </span>

the reason you think this is so crazy is because you reject trades for a completely different reason then you are supposed to (in my opinion)

you shouldn't be checking to see if it's a "Fair" trade because you can't possibly know if it is or isn't without being some type of psychic, if McFadden is done for the year and Wells becomes the #1 while Brown get's Injured and Moss get's suspended for something....what are you gonna say then..."welp sorry Shocks we ****ed you...too bad...thanks for the 50$ though)

you DON'T veto trades because you think it's fair or unfair...you veto trades because you think people are CHEATING....do you think Shocks is giving Morehead players so he gets a cut of the winnings if Morehead wins? if that's what you think...then go ahead an veto...otherwise I think you vetoing this trade is absurd personally.

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 04:53 PM
W<span>hat t</span><span>he </span><span>hell did I do Amanda?

I don't even t</span><span>hink I said your name.

I just said t</span><span>hat you said it was not a good trade eit</span><span>her.

I never asked you to Veto it.

It goes to a vote....so vote.



</span></p>


it is not a good trade at all but if i am thinking the same way shock is then honestly yes i clearly see WHY he made that trade. not the i woulda personally and its still bad.. BUT it also makes sense if the upside pans thats all</p>
Ok, so w<span>hy are you mad again?

T</span><span>he trade is bad and unfair in my mind. If anyt</span><span>hing I want S</span><span>hock to be worse. lol But I don't want anyone to get took and to </span><span>hopefully keep t</span><span>he integrity of our league. </span>
<span></span>
<span>I t</span><span>hink t</span><span>he ot</span><span>her trade is fine t</span><span>hat is pending.

Stop getting all pissy, Jesus. You are t</span><span>he commis</span><span>h for a reason and you knew w</span><span>hat you were getting into. I don't know w</span><span>hat t</span><span>he problem is. Precedences are already in place, follow t</span><span>hem.

P.S. I love you
</span>

PhillyPhan05
10-07-2010, 04:54 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can.

Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 04:56 PM
i know that and to be honest you rpissing the the **** off lol
T<SPAN>hen w</SPAN><SPAN>hy are you laug</SPAN><SPAN>hing about it?

I don't even know w</SPAN><SPAN>hat I did....lol

Pizz disagrees to, are you mad at </SPAN><SPAN>him?

I am not scared of you woman, you can play all big and bad commis</SPAN><SPAN>h wit</SPAN><SPAN>h me. I know you are a kitty
</SPAN></P>


i know im a kitty lol but and matt are just on my **** list today.</P>

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 04:59 PM
Matt and Joey know more about Fantasy Football t<span>han anyone I know on t</span><span>he planet.

T</span><span>hey bot</span><span>h feel t</span><span>he same way...It is like w</span><span>hen More</span><span>head and Daven agree.

It can't be wrong.
</span><span>
</span><span></span>

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 05:00 PM
i know that and to be honest you rpissing the the **** off lol
T<span>hen w</span><span>hy are you laug</span><span>hing about it?

I don't even know w</span><span>hat I did....lol

Pizz disagrees to, are you mad at </span><span>him?

I am not scared of you woman, you can play all big and bad commis</span><span>h wit</span><span>h me. I know you are a kitty
</span></p>


i know im a kitty lol but and matt are just on my **** list today.</p>
Again, w<span>hat did I do? lol
</span>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:02 PM
W<SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>hell did I do Amanda?

I don't even t</SPAN><SPAN>hink I said your name.

I just said t</SPAN><SPAN>hat you said it was not a good trade eit</SPAN><SPAN>her.

I never asked you to Veto it.

It goes to a vote....so vote.



</SPAN></P>


it is not a good trade at all but if i am thinking the same way shock is then honestly yes i clearly see WHY he made that trade. not the i woulda personally and its still bad.. BUT it also makes sense if the upside pans thats all</P>



Ok, so w<SPAN>hy are you mad again?

T</SPAN><SPAN>he trade is bad and unfair in my mind. If anyt</SPAN><SPAN>hing I want S</SPAN><SPAN>hock to be worse. lol But I don't want anyone to get took and to </SPAN><SPAN>hopefully keep t</SPAN><SPAN>he integrity of our league. </SPAN>
<SPAN></SPAN>
<SPAN>I t</SPAN><SPAN>hink t</SPAN><SPAN>he ot</SPAN><SPAN>her trade is fine t</SPAN><SPAN>hat is pending.

Stop getting all pissy, Jesus. You are t</SPAN><SPAN>he commis</SPAN><SPAN>h for a reason and you knew w</SPAN><SPAN>hat you were getting into. I don't know w</SPAN><SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he problem is. Precedences are already in place, follow t</SPAN><SPAN>hem.

P.S. I love you
</SPAN></P>


yet you and mmb feel the need to question that. if this is how you guys want it why dont we just go back to allowing the entire league to vote or not. so yeah is frusterating when people are stepping on my toes thats all.</P>


ps. i love you very very much and i want a huge hug from my lanman (lol just for you cause your on my ****list til midnight)</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:03 PM
Matt knows it and Amanda knows it. It is way unfair.

Matt already said it earlier.

If one person vetoes the trade it can't go through. That is what we agreed on.

Like I said, that is worse than any trade in our league to this day.

I don't even know what Shock is thinking, neither do you Amanda.

No ****ing way!!!
</p>


whoa.. the only ONE veto that means enough to reject is mine... dont get it twisted. not everyone is going to agree. i can overturn anythign as the commish or matt if it involves me. otherwise its based on majority</p>





na na na na na. If someone vetoes and its question able at all then it goes to the vote, u have a vote worth 1.5 thats how we diced it next year...
</p>


i am the most fair person in here.. i have yet to step on one persons toes. i post everything in our league because thats how i am....<u> if i feel something is that unfair and you guys dont tough **** im not puttin it through</u>... chances are it will never happen but if thats how you guys want to play it.</p>


starting after sunday, we will go to league rules and you wait 2 days for your trade to go thru then next year find a new commish. like it or leave it. ive had enough with the ****ing bickering</p>


im not saying youre not fair, but what part of that sounds fair to you? lol
</p>


there is a commish in every league. thats how it is... they have the final say... you guys have no clue how hard this **** can be to deal with.. you make it likes nothing but because you guys arent always the most on top of it like you should be it makes it 10 times harder on me.</p>


</p>


regardless we need a commish and if you are all gonna ***** and question it then honestly im done.. this is every 3 ****ing months and this convo is happening. im sick of it. </p>


.................... i just thought it sounded funny......[:$]
</p>


i didnt mean to spaz on you... just lando and mmb are pissing me the **** off. imagine what this league would be like if one of those two ran it. seriously. so yeah it gets annoying. i am the one that deals with all the aggravation then it basically is no **** you amanda.</p>

if u can't handle the heat, i'll take over next year

DavenIII
10-07-2010, 05:03 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can.

Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:04 PM
whats your guys take on peyton hillis?


hes doin it and mangenious loves him...

and i'd take him over Wells and Bush hahahahahahaha
would you break the bank for him?



define break the bank?
hillis for forsett and gonzo or shiancoe, but hes going to want desaun. raghh



Hillis 4 Forsett &amp; Gonzo &amp; DJax?

no

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:05 PM
My 2 cents...... save your money for tattoo removal...

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:07 PM
I don't know where this trade stands right now, nut to veto it is extreemly inapprpriate. The criteria is not wheather or not one gets an advantage or not. It whether or not someone is working the system in an unfair way. This trade favors me in the long term but favors Shocks in the short term. It hurts me this week because Bush is the only healthy back in Oakland.</P>


But all of that is irrelevant. If someone is out of it and dumping players to help someone else, thats a vetoable trade. If both parties feel they are helping themselves, it doesn't matter what everyone else thinks.</P>


And if system is that one guy can nix a trade, thats complete bull****. Thats NOT anything I agreed to.</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:07 PM
W<span>hat t</span><span>he </span><span>hell did I do Amanda?

I don't even t</span><span>hink I said your name.

I just said t</span><span>hat you said it was not a good trade eit</span><span>her.

I never asked you to Veto it.

It goes to a vote....so vote.



</span></p>


it is not a good trade at all but if i am thinking the same way shock is then honestly yes i clearly see WHY he made that trade. not the i woulda personally and its still bad.. BUT it also makes sense if the upside pans thats all</p>



Ok, so w<span>hy are you mad again?

T</span><span>he trade is bad and unfair in my mind. If anyt</span><span>hing I want S</span><span>hock to be worse. lol But I don't want anyone to get took and to </span><span>hopefully keep t</span><span>he integrity of our league. </span>
<span></span>
<span>I t</span><span>hink t</span><span>he ot</span><span>her trade is fine t</span><span>hat is pending.

Stop getting all pissy, Jesus. You are t</span><span>he commis</span><span>h for a reason and you knew w</span><span>hat you were getting into. I don't know w</span><span>hat t</span><span>he problem is. Precedences are already in place, follow t</span><span>hem.

P.S. I love you
</span></p>


yet you and mmb feel the need to question that. if this is how you guys want it why dont we just go back to allowing the entire league to vote or not. so yeah is frusterating when people are stepping on my toes thats all.</p>


ps. i love you very very much and i want a huge hug from my lanman (lol just for you cause your on my ****list til midnight)</p>

i am questioning the procedure that u said i agreed to... that i can assure u i didnt..

u seem to feel if 9 votes are 1 way and your feel the opposite that u can override it if its how u feel and thats not how we set it up

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:08 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can.

Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)


so then i could off Kuhn and DJ Ware 4 Moreno and that should be fair?

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 05:08 PM
whats your guys take on peyton hillis?


hes doin it and mangenious loves him...

and i'd take him over Wells and Bush hahahahahahaha
would you break the bank for him?



define break the bank?
hillis for forsett and gonzo or shiancoe, but hes going to want desaun. raghh



Hillis 4 Forsett &amp; Gonzo &amp; DJax?

no
no i dont want him to have djax but he wants him. i dont think im going to

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:09 PM
My 2 cents...... save your money for tattoo removal...

LMAO bandy with the zing

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:10 PM
Matt knows it and Amanda knows it. It is way unfair.

Matt already said it earlier.

If one person vetoes the trade it can't go through. That is what we agreed on.

Like I said, that is worse than any trade in our league to this day.

I don't even know what Shock is thinking, neither do you Amanda.

No ****ing way!!!
</P>


whoa.. the only ONE veto that means enough to reject is mine... dont get it twisted. not everyone is going to agree. i can overturn anythign as the commish or matt if it involves me. otherwise its based on majority</P>





na na na na na. If someone vetoes and its question able at all then it goes to the vote, u have a vote worth 1.5 thats how we diced it next year...
</P>


i am the most fair person in here.. i have yet to step on one persons toes. i post everything in our league because thats how i am....<U> if i feel something is that unfair and you guys dont tough **** im not puttin it through</U>... chances are it will never happen but if thats how you guys want to play it.</P>


starting after sunday, we will go to league rules and you wait 2 days for your trade to go thru then next year find a new commish. like it or leave it. ive had enough with the ****ing bickering</P>


im not saying youre not fair, but what part of that sounds fair to you? lol
</P>


there is a commish in every league. thats how it is... they have the final say... you guys have no clue how hard this **** can be to deal with.. you make it likes nothing but because you guys arent always the most on top of it like you should be it makes it 10 times harder on me.</P>


</P>


regardless we need a commish and if you are all gonna ***** and question it then honestly im done.. this is every 3 ****ing months and this convo is happening. im sick of it. </P>


.................... i just thought it sounded funny......[:$]
</P>


i didnt mean to spaz on you... just lando and mmb are pissing me the **** off. imagine what this league would be like if one of those two ran it. seriously. so yeah it gets annoying. i am the one that deals with all the aggravation then it basically is no **** you amanda.</P>




if u can't handle the heat, i'll take over next year
</P>


i can handle the heat but it gets to a point where this is how the **** it is. if you dont like it find another league to play in. but fine... its yours next year. im done</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:10 PM
whats your guys take on peyton hillis?


hes doin it and mangenious loves him...

and i'd take him over Wells and Bush hahahahahahaha
would you break the bank for him?



define break the bank?
hillis for forsett and gonzo or shiancoe, but hes going to want desaun. raghh



Hillis 4 Forsett &amp; Gonzo &amp; DJax?

no
no i dont want him to have djax but he wants him. i dont think im going to


im not sure i'd do DJax 4 Hillis straight up to be honest. You can get better value for DJax than Hillis if u were to try and move him

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:11 PM
Matt knows it and Amanda knows it. It is way unfair.

Matt already said it earlier.

If one person vetoes the trade it can't go through. That is what we agreed on.

Like I said, that is worse than any trade in our league to this day.

I don't even know what Shock is thinking, neither do you Amanda.

No ****ing way!!!
</p>


whoa.. the only ONE veto that means enough to reject is mine... dont get it twisted. not everyone is going to agree. i can overturn anythign as the commish or matt if it involves me. otherwise its based on majority</p>





na na na na na. If someone vetoes and its question able at all then it goes to the vote, u have a vote worth 1.5 thats how we diced it next year...
</p>


i am the most fair person in here.. i have yet to step on one persons toes. i post everything in our league because thats how i am....<u> if i feel something is that unfair and you guys dont tough **** im not puttin it through</u>... chances are it will never happen but if thats how you guys want to play it.</p>


starting after sunday, we will go to league rules and you wait 2 days for your trade to go thru then next year find a new commish. like it or leave it. ive had enough with the ****ing bickering</p>


im not saying youre not fair, but what part of that sounds fair to you? lol
</p>


there is a commish in every league. thats how it is... they have the final say... you guys have no clue how hard this **** can be to deal with.. you make it likes nothing but because you guys arent always the most on top of it like you should be it makes it 10 times harder on me.</p>


</p>


regardless we need a commish and if you are all gonna ***** and question it then honestly im done.. this is every 3 ****ing months and this convo is happening. im sick of it. </p>


.................... i just thought it sounded funny......[:$]
</p>


i didnt mean to spaz on you... just lando and mmb are pissing me the **** off. imagine what this league would be like if one of those two ran it. seriously. so yeah it gets annoying. i am the one that deals with all the aggravation then it basically is no **** you amanda.</p>




if u can't handle the heat, i'll take over next year
</p>


i can handle the heat but it gets to a point where this is how the **** it is. if you dont like it find another league to play in. but fine... its yours next year. im done</p>

answer my one question... if 9 players in the league want to let teh trade go and u didnt, do u think u should have the power to overturn it

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 05:12 PM
My 2 cents...... save your money for tattoo removal...

LMAO bandy with the zing
lmao hahahaha BAAAAM!

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:12 PM
My 2 cents...... save your money for tattoo removal...

LMAO bandy with the zing
</P>


Lando is completely wrong on this.<FONT size=6> He has no right to halt a trade if both players truly believe they are helping themselves.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=6>NO RIGHT!!!!</FONT></P>


And may I say, its also 2 players who have a track record in this league of knowing what they are doing. You're going to tell the champion of this league that he doesn't know whats best for his team?</P>


I am genuinly pissed about this attitude.</P>

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:12 PM
My 2 cents...... save your money for tattoo removal...

LMAO bandy with the zing
</P>


Lando is completely wrong on this.<FONT size=6> He has no right to halt a trade if both players truly believe they are helping themselves.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=6>NO RIGHT!!!!</FONT></P>


And may I say, its also 2 players who have a track record in this league of knowing what they are doing. You're going to tell the champion of this league that he doesn't know whats best for his team?</P>


I am genuinly pissed about this attitude.</P>

PhillyPhan05
10-07-2010, 05:12 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can.

Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)


I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it
A) cheating OR
B) lopsided and unfair

So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:13 PM
W<SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>hell did I do Amanda?

I don't even t</SPAN><SPAN>hink I said your name.

I just said t</SPAN><SPAN>hat you said it was not a good trade eit</SPAN><SPAN>her.

I never asked you to Veto it.

It goes to a vote....so vote.



</SPAN></P>


it is not a good trade at all but if i am thinking the same way shock is then honestly yes i clearly see WHY he made that trade. not the i woulda personally and its still bad.. BUT it also makes sense if the upside pans thats all</P>



Ok, so w<SPAN>hy are you mad again?

T</SPAN><SPAN>he trade is bad and unfair in my mind. If anyt</SPAN><SPAN>hing I want S</SPAN><SPAN>hock to be worse. lol But I don't want anyone to get took and to </SPAN><SPAN>hopefully keep t</SPAN><SPAN>he integrity of our league. </SPAN>
<SPAN></SPAN>
<SPAN>I t</SPAN><SPAN>hink t</SPAN><SPAN>he ot</SPAN><SPAN>her trade is fine t</SPAN><SPAN>hat is pending.

Stop getting all pissy, Jesus. You are t</SPAN><SPAN>he commis</SPAN><SPAN>h for a reason and you knew w</SPAN><SPAN>hat you were getting into. I don't know w</SPAN><SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he problem is. Precedences are already in place, follow t</SPAN><SPAN>hem.

P.S. I love you
</SPAN></P>


yet you and mmb feel the need to question that. if this is how you guys want it why dont we just go back to allowing the entire league to vote or not. so yeah is frusterating when people are stepping on my toes thats all.</P>


ps. i love you very very much and i want a huge hug from my lanman (lol just for you cause your on my ****list til midnight)</P>




i am questioning the procedure that u said i agreed to... that i can assure u i didnt..

u seem to feel if 9 votes are 1 way and your feel the opposite that u can override it if its how u feel and thats not how we set it up
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you wanna get technical yeah... its my league so yes i can. like i said.. if you dont like it go ****ing play somewhere else. you know i would never do something like that tho but as the commish if you guys all agree something is unfair and someone justifies to the commish why they think its a fair trade and i see where they are coming from and agree then yes its going thru. but heyyy whatever. your the new commish so it doesnt matter anymore. next year will be REAL interesting im sure. good luck guys.</P>

PhillyPhan05
10-07-2010, 05:14 PM
DJax for Hillis?

Wells/M. Bush for Santana/Brown?

I want in this league next year.

Fish....WASSUP 4-0?

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:15 PM
My 2 cents...... save your money for tattoo removal...

LMAO bandy with the zing
</P>


Lando is completely wrong on this.<FONT size=6> He has no right to halt a trade if both players truly believe they are helping themselves.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=6>NO RIGHT!!!!</FONT></P>


And may I say, its also 2 players who have a track record in this league of knowing what they are doing. You're going to tell the champion of this league that he doesn't know whats best for his team?</P>


I am genuinly pissed about this attitude.</P>


</P>


this is what pisses me off pappy i am so with you. and nothing for nothing its always the same damn people which is why i am sooo pushing that i have the final say on things.</P>

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:16 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</P>


By your criteria, a player can't use his football knowledge to run his team unless everyone else sees it the same way.</P>


If he believes that Beanie is going off for the rest of the year, and if he truly is uncomfortable with McFdd and his injury history, tell me where thats unreasonable? <FONT size=6>And more importantly, who the **** are you to decide for him?</FONT></P>


Quite honestly, it takes some of the fun away from the league.</P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 05:17 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:18 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:18 PM
uh oh MH is mad he's double posting </P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:18 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</P>


almost every trade is lopsided or unfair.. its how trades go... 99% of the time one person has an advantage. you might view it as slight and me alot more then that but most times someone is getting a better end of the current value</P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:20 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</P>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 05:20 PM
and while i said that, if the trade goes thru, fine....my team isnt exactly stellar...
but if it works out that Moss and Brown are studs, and Bush and Wells are duds, i will be just as pissed as Morehead will be if this trade doesnt go thru.

PhillyPhan05
10-07-2010, 05:21 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</P>


By your criteria, a player can't use his football knowledge to run his team unless everyone else sees it the same way.</P>


If he believes that Beanie is going off for the rest of the year, and if he truly is uncomfortable with McFdd and his injury history, tell me where thats unreasonable?* <FONT size=6>And more importantly, who the **** are you to decide for him?</FONT></P>


Quite honestly, it takes some of the fun away from the league.</P>
Wow...stand up and pee bro. First off, fantasy football is a game. A game is supposed to be fun. A message board is a place for peeps to analyze football, trashtalk, and make friends. It sounds like your panties are getting in a bunch. Do it. Make the trade. Watch Donovan's best receiver and a rushing offense's best RB tear it up, as Michael Bush, Ryan Leaf, and Papa Smurf can't hold their jockey straps. If you peeps can make your educated synapsis', why can't others. Grow up.

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:21 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:22 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</p>


By your criteria, a player can't use his football knowledge to run his team unless everyone else sees it the same way.</p>


If he believes that Beanie is going off for the rest of the year, and if he truly is uncomfortable with McFdd and his injury history, tell me where thats unreasonable? <font size="6">And more importantly, who the **** are you to decide for him?</font></p>


Quite honestly, it takes some of the fun away from the league.</p>

there needs to be some limits within that tho in the same sense moorehead

Daven loves DJ Ware and thinks he can be a monster - so that means i can trade him for ROnnie Brown? Its a gray area and this trade is peaking into it. I have already said i wont veto it tho

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:23 PM
uh oh MH is mad he's double posting </P>


</P>


I am mad. But not because it involves me. If a player can't make moves that he thinks are good for his team, because other players think they know better, this league becomes no fun.</P>


That can't be the standard. We all think we know better than everyone else.</P>


I love some of you guys, the guy who kicked all of our asses last year somehow now doesn't know what he's doing.</P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:23 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</P>


By your criteria, a player can't use his football knowledge to run his team unless everyone else sees it the same way.</P>


If he believes that Beanie is going off for the rest of the year, and if he truly is uncomfortable with McFdd and his injury history, tell me where thats unreasonable? <FONT size=6>And more importantly, who the **** are you to decide for him?</FONT></P>


Quite honestly, it takes some of the fun away from the league.</P>


Wow...stand up and pee bro. First off, fantasy football is a game. A game is supposed to be fun. A message board is a place for peeps to analyze football, trashtalk, and make friends. It sounds like your panties are getting in a bunch. Do it. Make the trade. Watch Donovan's best receiver and a rushing offense's best RB tear it up, as Michael Bush, Ryan Leaf, and Papa Smurf can't hold their jockey straps. If you peeps can make your educated synapsis', why can't others. Grow up.</P>


look i have nothing against you but its awfully funny how you dont show your face for how long and lando throws a hissy fit and you show up. your not a part of this league and while we value your input its only to an extent so you should relax too.</P>


plus morehead is getting the "better" end of this trade so i dont blame him for acting like this</P>

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:24 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>


</P>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </P>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:25 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>

see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:25 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</P>


By your criteria, a player can't use his football knowledge to run his team unless everyone else sees it the same way.</P>


If he believes that Beanie is going off for the rest of the year, and if he truly is uncomfortable with McFdd and his injury history, tell me where thats unreasonable? <FONT size=6>And more importantly, who the **** are you to decide for him?</FONT></P>


Quite honestly, it takes some of the fun away from the league.</P> Wow...stand up and pee bro. First off, fantasy football is a game. A game is supposed to be fun. A message board is a place for peeps to analyze football, trashtalk, and make friends. It sounds like your panties are getting in a bunch. Do it. Make the trade. Watch Donovan's best receiver and a rushing offense's best RB tear it up, as Michael Bush, Ryan Leaf, and Papa Smurf can't hold their jockey straps. If you peeps can make your educated synapsis', why can't others. Grow up.Landon your dog is in our yard shihiting all over the place.. don't make me call the ASPCA

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 05:26 PM
uh oh MH is mad he's double posting </p>everyone get down mhs got a gun!
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/32/Dep11.jpg/600px-Dep11.jpg

PhillyPhan05
10-07-2010, 05:26 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</P>


By your criteria, a player can't use his football knowledge to run his team unless everyone else sees it the same way.</P>


If he believes that Beanie is going off for the rest of the year, and if he truly is uncomfortable with McFdd and his injury history, tell me where thats unreasonable?* <FONT size=6>And more importantly, who the **** are you to decide for him?</FONT></P>


Quite honestly, it takes some of the fun away from the league.</P>


Wow...stand up and pee bro. First off, fantasy football is a game. A game is supposed to be fun. A message board is a place for peeps to analyze football, trashtalk, and make friends. It sounds like your panties are getting in a bunch. Do it. Make the trade. Watch Donovan's best receiver and a rushing offense's best RB tear it up, as Michael Bush, Ryan Leaf, and Papa Smurf can't hold their jockey straps. If you peeps can make your educated synapsis', why can't others. Grow up.</P>


look i have nothing against you but its awfully funny how you dont show your face for how long and lando throws a hissy fit and you show up. your not a part of this league and while we value your input its only to an extent so you should relax too.</P>


plus morehead is getting the "better" end of this trade so i dont blame him for acting like this</P>

You ShOuLd value our opinion. We're both
4-0, and leading our 12team divisions in points. Matt Berry ain't got shiyit on us.

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:27 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</P>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</P>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</P>


its not. this is MMBs league now.</P>

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:27 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</P>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</P>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</P>


If that were true Matt, we would have to wait for all 12 to vote. We have NEVER done that.</P>


She puts it out for whoever is on line, which is usually half or less of the league. So your point is completely wrong.</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:28 PM
uh oh MH is mad he's double posting </P>


everyone get down mhs got a gun!
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/32/Dep11.jpg/600px-Dep11.jpg
lmao.. Magnum..</P>


you should get a picture of Lanny Mcdonald </P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:28 PM
My 2 cents.....just cuz I can. Your leagues proposed trade is completely lopsided and is just one of those things where one should take a look at their opposition and say, "WOW, this dude really won this league last year! How stupid do I feel?" Two 5th tier backups that don't play for decent rushing teams for a guy that would've went to the pro-bowl last year baring injury....and Santana Moss is being considered a low-end WR1 according to Sportsline.com, where I play. I play in a PPR league and besides last week, has been solid game in-game out. Neither Beanie OR Bush are the best fantasy tailbacks on their own team. On the flip coin, Brown is the best, and Santana is definately the best for their teams. This isn't the worst trade I've seen accepted in fantasy football, but its up there. Almost as bad as Brett Favre to the Packers – Brett was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 1991 with the 33rd pick overall. Atlanta Falcons coach, and talent evaluator extraordinaire Jerry Glanville said that it would take a plane crash for him to start Favre and dumped him to the Cheeseheads. This proposal is up there.

I agree with your evaluation of the trade, but again, I saying that our evaluation of the trade shouldn't matter, what if we are all wrong and Shocks is right, how would you feel if you were in a FF league and thought you knew something everyone else didn't tried to take a chance on it, only to have it shut down because it's unfair...then lose while what you thought was going to happen happens....how terrible would that be...

it's not opposing players rights to decide what is fair or unfair, it's their right to decide that someone is cheating and needs to be stopped....if anyone honestly thinks Shocks is purposely trying to make Moreheads team better with no regard for his own team...like I said go ahead and veto it, but if you are vetoing it because you think you know better then Shocks and he's making a mistake....just turn the tables...think about if it was a trade you were making and other people didn't like it gets vetoed and it turns out you were right...think about how that'd suck.

anyhow I'm outta hear later guys (you know my vote)
I don't know your particular rules, but in my leagues we vote against trades if we deem it A) cheating OR B) lopsided and unfair So I would definately vote for B and against it. And as for your first synapsis,"What if they tear it up and we vetoed it?" It is just simply not going to happen. Michael Bush, Beanie Wells? Come on bro. I expect more from you.</P>


By your criteria, a player can't use his football knowledge to run his team unless everyone else sees it the same way.</P>


If he believes that Beanie is going off for the rest of the year, and if he truly is uncomfortable with McFdd and his injury history, tell me where thats unreasonable? <FONT size=6>And more importantly, who the **** are you to decide for him?</FONT></P>


Quite honestly, it takes some of the fun away from the league.</P>


Wow...stand up and pee bro. First off, fantasy football is a game. A game is supposed to be fun. A message board is a place for peeps to analyze football, trashtalk, and make friends. It sounds like your panties are getting in a bunch. Do it. Make the trade. Watch Donovan's best receiver and a rushing offense's best RB tear it up, as Michael Bush, Ryan Leaf, and Papa Smurf can't hold their jockey straps. If you peeps can make your educated synapsis', why can't others. Grow up.</P>


look i have nothing against you but its awfully funny how you dont show your face for how long and lando throws a hissy fit and you show up. your not a part of this league and while we value your input its only to an extent so you should relax too.</P>


plus morehead is getting the "better" end of this trade so i dont blame him for acting like this</P>


You ShOuLd value our opinion. We're both 4-0, and leading our 12team divisions in points. Matt Berry ain't got shiyit on us.</P>


excuse me.. your not in this league. i dont give a **** if your 4-0. you can talk all you want but what you say means jack **** when it comes to this league. lawl contributes every day in this thread and is in the B league and we wouldnt listen to him on this so we are sure as hell not listening to you.</P>


</P>


like i said. convinent how you decided to show up now</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-07-2010, 05:29 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>

Davens logic is that BJ is alway sinjured and may get traded and bradshaw is overrated and injury prone so DJ ware has alot of value...

what if that was the case... so that could be moved for a proven player? i mean u guys are right to an extent but at the current time of life it is 2 backup RBs in horrific offenses 4 Ronnie Brown who when healthy is one of the most consistant backs in the league and a #1 WR

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:29 PM
uh oh MH is mad he's double posting </P>


everyone get down mhs got a gun!
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/32/Dep11.jpg/600px-Dep11.jpg
</P>


LMAO. even looks like pappy!</P>

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:29 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</P>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</P>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</P>


You should never give one person or a small group of people power to overturn a trade made in good faith.</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:29 PM
uh oh MH is mad he's double posting </P>


</P>


I am mad. But not because it involves me. If a player can't make moves that he thinks are good for his team, because other players think they know better, this league becomes no fun.</P>


That can't be the standard. We all think we know better than everyone else.</P>


I love some of you guys, the guy who kicked all of our asses last year somehow now doesn't know what he's doing.</P>i want it to go through so i can lol @ Shocks

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:32 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</P>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</P>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</P>


You should never give one person or a small group of people to overturn a trade made in good faith.</P>


</P>


The only vetoable trade is one where the participants are suspected of bad faith. If you think one is trying to help another, thats fine. Veto. Where both players are definately trying to help themselves and its not crazy, NO VETO.</P>


In other words, if you don't think someone is doing something fishy, let it go.</P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:33 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>




Davens logic is that BJ is alway sinjured and may get traded and bradshaw is overrated and injury prone so DJ ware has alot of value...

what if that was the case... so that could be moved for a proven player? i mean u guys are right to an extent but at the current time of life it is 2 backup RBs in horrific offenses 4 Ronnie Brown who when healthy is one of the most consistant backs in the league and a #1 WR
</P>


im not going further til i hear from shock on his thinking. but if he thinks the way i think he is thinking its going thru and although its a bad trade... its not rejectable.</P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:34 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</P>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</P>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</P>


You should never give one person or a small group of people to overturn a trade made in good faith.</P>


</P>


The only vetoable trade is one where the participants are suspected of bad faith. If you think one is trying to help another, thats fine. Veto. Where both players are definately trying to help themselves and its not crazy, NO VETO.</P>


In other words, if you don't think someone is doing something fishy, let it go.</P>


</P>


that means every single one ofmatts trades will be vetod.</P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 05:36 PM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</p>


You should never give one person or a small group of people to overturn a trade made in good faith.</p>


</p>


The only vetoable trade is one where the participants are suspected of bad faith. If you think one is trying to help another, thats fine. Veto. Where both players are definately trying to help themselves and its not crazy, NO VETO.</p>


In other words, if you don't think someone is doing something fishy, let it go.</p>

well in that case, Lando and I are in talks...
MJD, Rivers, and Austin, -4- Darby, N.Washington, and Gaffney
[:D]

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:38 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 05:40 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...

yea, put that osi thru sonnnnnn!!!!

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:40 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


<FONT size=6>JACOBS AND ROYAL FOR PALMER</FONT></P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:45 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</P>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</P>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 05:46 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</p>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</p>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</p>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</p>

thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:47 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</P>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</P>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</P>


what.. MMB sucks lol</P>


wait, a new commish (if voted so) goes through sunday night or my trade? </P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:48 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</P>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</P>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</P>


what.. MMB sucks lol</P>


wait, a new commish (if voted so) goes through sunday night or my trade? </P>


</P>


new commish. your trades going thru shortly</P>

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:48 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>




Davens logic is that BJ is alway sinjured and may get traded and bradshaw is overrated and injury prone so DJ ware has alot of value...

what if that was the case... so that could be moved for a proven player? i mean u guys are right to an extent but at the current time of life it is 2 backup RBs in horrific offenses 4 Ronnie Brown who when healthy is one of the most consistant backs in the league and a #1 WR
</P>


im not going further til i hear from shock on his thinking. but if he thinks the way i think he is thinking its going thru and although its a bad trade... its not rejectable.</P>


</P>


I'll be honest Amanda. We have specific rules about this. Once a trade is accepted, you shouldn't get the chance to back out. That you did spell out.</P>


My opinion is that if you think there is some hanky panky going on, veto it. If not it should go through regardless of what Shocks says.</P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:49 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</P>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</P>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</P>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</P>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:50 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


<FONT size=6>JACOBS AND ROYAL FOR PALMER</FONT></P>I VETO!!!

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:50 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


<FONT size=6>JACOBS AND ROYAL FOR PALMER</FONT></P>


</P>


VETO until I see what happens with mine. if the standard is that I think one player is getting a better deal than the other, than I vote <FONT size=6>NO!!!!</FONT></P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:52 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</P>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</P>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</P>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</P>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</P>MMB's too ugly tobe the face ofthis league.. you have my vote

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:53 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


<FONT size=6>JACOBS AND ROYAL FOR PALMER</FONT></P>


</P>


VETO until I see what happens with mine. if the standard is that I think one player is getting a better deal than the other, than I vote <FONT size=6>NO!!!!</FONT></P>dyu gotta problm main

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:53 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>




Davens logic is that BJ is alway sinjured and may get traded and bradshaw is overrated and injury prone so DJ ware has alot of value...

what if that was the case... so that could be moved for a proven player? i mean u guys are right to an extent but at the current time of life it is 2 backup RBs in horrific offenses 4 Ronnie Brown who when healthy is one of the most consistant backs in the league and a #1 WR
</P>


im not going further til i hear from shock on his thinking. but if he thinks the way i think he is thinking its going thru and although its a bad trade... its not rejectable.</P>


</P>


I'll be honest Amanda. We have specific rules about this. Once a trade is accepted, you shouldn't get the chance to back out. That you did spell out.</P>


My opinion is that if you think there is some hanky panky going on, veto it. If not it should go through regardless of what Shocks says.</P>


</P>


depending on how you look at it this trade can be considered unfair and shock can not change his mind obviously lol but i mean ifhe feel that strong on this trade and he justify why then yeah it is absoultely fair and i see exactly where he is coming from</P>

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 05:56 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>




Davens logic is that BJ is alway sinjured and may get traded and bradshaw is overrated and injury prone so DJ ware has alot of value...

what if that was the case... so that could be moved for a proven player? i mean u guys are right to an extent but at the current time of life it is 2 backup RBs in horrific offenses 4 Ronnie Brown who when healthy is one of the most consistant backs in the league and a #1 WR
</P>


im not going further til i hear from shock on his thinking. but if he thinks the way i think he is thinking its going thru and although its a bad trade... its not rejectable.</P>


</P>


I'll be honest Amanda. We have specific rules about this. Once a trade is accepted, you shouldn't get the chance to back out. That you did spell out.</P>


My opinion is that if you think there is some hanky panky going on, veto it. If not it should go through regardless of what Shocks says.</P>


</P>


depending on how you look at it this trade can be considered unfair and shock can not change his mind obviously lol but i mean ifhe feel that strong on this trade and he justify why then yeah it is absoultely fair and i see exactly where he is coming from</P>


</P>


I'm fine with that. I leave it in your hands.</P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 05:56 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</p>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</p>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</p>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</p>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</p>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</p>

ohhhh stop! youre fine....nobody is disrespecting you. if anything we are debating the system, because nobody is on the same page as to when someone should veto....which happens in every league basically.
you wanna talk about disrespected and under appreciated? get your *** in the kitchen and make me some dinner!!! there....hope that helps....lol

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 05:57 PM
Fish....WASSUP 4-0?
back at ya

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 05:58 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</P>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</P>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</P>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</P>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</P>


MMB's too ugly tobe the face ofthis league.. you have my vote</P>


i dont want a vote. and honestly i dont even want this to be discussed anymore im so over it but i cant take the bull**** anymore. byron is the only ****ing one to ever give me damn credit. and lando once he had to deal with the tickets cause half of you are a pain in the *** to get in touch with. then i just get treated like a peice of ****. over it all.</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 05:58 PM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</P>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</P>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</P>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</P>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</P>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</P>

ohhhh stop! youre fine....nobody is disrespecting you. if anything we are debating the system, because nobody is on the same page as to when someone should veto....which happens in every league basically.
you wanna talk about disrespected and under appreciated? get your *** in the kitchen and make me some dinner!!! there....hope that helps....lol
works for me.. can you talk to the wife for me

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:00 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if <font size="6">the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.</font>
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.


PERIOD

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:01 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if <FONT size=6>the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.</FONT>
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.


PERIOD
big baby, see what you started we're comishless now

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:03 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>


</p>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </p>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</p>
See w<span>hat </span><span>he is projected for w</span><span>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</span><span>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</span><span>he trade evaluator and look at t</span><span>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</span><span>hatever, t</span><span>here will be a vote. </span><span></span>

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 06:09 PM
games starting now, odd.

LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!!

i hope carl pavono enjoyed that free 40 mill we gave him for sitting on his *** the whole time as yank but now its time to show him what we do.
hope andy hammys good to go

Morehead State
10-07-2010, 06:10 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>


</P>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </P>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</P>



See w<SPAN>hat </SPAN><SPAN>he is projected for w</SPAN><SPAN>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</SPAN><SPAN>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade evaluator and look at t</SPAN><SPAN>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</SPAN><SPAN>hatever, t</SPAN><SPAN>here will be a vote. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</P>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</P>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</P>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:11 PM
games starting now, odd.

LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!!

i hope carl pavono enjoyed that free 40 mill we gave him for sitting on his *** the whole time as yank but now its time to show him what we do.
hope andy hammys good to go
lets go TWINS!!!!

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 06:13 PM
this ump has a big strike zone. gaay

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:13 PM
I didn't do t<span>hat. Clearly s</span><span>he </span><span>has some ot</span><span>her issues.

T</span><span>he fact t</span><span>hat t</span><span>he trade </span><span>has caused t</span><span>his muc</span><span>h s</span><span>hit s</span><span>hows </span><span>how ****ed up it is.

Not</span><span>hing like t</span><span>his </span><span>has EVER come close to </span><span>happening before.

I want Amanda to be t</span><span>he commis</span><span>h, s</span><span>he does a great job and maybe s</span><span>he is </span><span>having a bad day or somet</span><span>hing. It is pretty out of c</span><span>harac</span><span>ter for </span><span>her.

Put t</span><span>he trade t</span><span>hroug</span><span>h or vote on it. W</span><span>hatever. I will worry about my team.

Good luck to everyone. MJD is on t</span><span>he market for you worst player. W</span><span>hoever </span><span>he is I </span><span>have a "gut feeling" </span><span>he is going to really come on big later in t</span><span>he season. </span><span></span>

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 06:14 PM
games starting now, odd.

LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!!

i hope carl pavono enjoyed that free 40 mill we gave him for sitting on his *** the whole time as yank but now its time to show him what we do.
hope andy hammys good to go
lets go TWINS!!!!**** YOU bandy! wth man? [:@]

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:15 PM
I didn't do t<SPAN>hat. Clearly s</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>has some ot</SPAN><SPAN>her issues.

T</SPAN><SPAN>he fact t</SPAN><SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade </SPAN><SPAN>has caused t</SPAN><SPAN>his muc</SPAN><SPAN>h s</SPAN><SPAN>hit s</SPAN><SPAN>hows </SPAN><SPAN>how ****ed up it is.

Not</SPAN><SPAN>hing like t</SPAN><SPAN>his </SPAN><SPAN>has EVER come close to </SPAN><SPAN>happening before.

I want Amanda to be t</SPAN><SPAN>he commis</SPAN><SPAN>h, s</SPAN><SPAN>he does a great job and maybe s</SPAN><SPAN>he is </SPAN><SPAN>having a bad day or somet</SPAN><SPAN>hing. It is pretty out of c</SPAN><SPAN>harac</SPAN><SPAN>ter for </SPAN><SPAN>her.

Put t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade t</SPAN><SPAN>hroug</SPAN><SPAN>h or vote on it. W</SPAN><SPAN>hatever. I will worry about my team.

Good luck to everyone. MJD is on t</SPAN><SPAN>he market for you worst player. W</SPAN><SPAN>hoever </SPAN><SPAN>he is I </SPAN><SPAN>have a "gut feeling" </SPAN><SPAN>he is going to really come on big later in t</SPAN><SPAN>he season. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>does the s word not get filtered no more? i noticed it earlier in one of my posts

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:16 PM
big baby, see what you started we're comishless now
It is not big baby. It is about protecting t<span>he integrity of our league. S</span><span>he knows </span><span>how muc</span><span>h I t</span><span>hank </span><span>her for w</span><span>hat s</span><span>he does. It is not easy to put up wit</span><span>h all of you. </span><span></span><span></span>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:17 PM
games starting now, odd.

LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!!

i hope carl pavono enjoyed that free 40 mill we gave him for sitting on his *** the whole time as yank but now its time to show him what we do.
hope andy hammys good to go
lets go TWINS!!!!**** YOU bandy! wth man? [:@]
oops did i put Twins i meant Yanks</P>


GOOO TWINS.. there it goes again must be a filter</P>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 06:19 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>


</P>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </P>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</P>



See w<SPAN>hat </SPAN><SPAN>he is projected for w</SPAN><SPAN>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</SPAN><SPAN>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade evaluator and look at t</SPAN><SPAN>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</SPAN><SPAN>hatever, t</SPAN><SPAN>here will be a vote. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</P>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</P>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</P>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</P>


</P>


well now there is no need to hear from shocks lol thats how i see it.</P>


hes starting mccluster right now. when he went to trade me brown was on his bench. he likes mcfadden alot. hes handcuffing mcfadden who is already banged up by week 4 and injury prone with a guy that is a decent back up so regardless he is guaranteeing himself a starter for the rest of the year.</P>


wells has ALOT of upside. i benched hightower in my other league becausewells will most likely be the #1 back. </P>


pappy is making out. there is no doubt about it. but to take away from shock what he is seeing a reasonible isnt fair. he knows what he is doing. if he thinks this is helping his team then so be it. if he didnt have mcfadden its rejectable. but that handcuff can be HUGE esp with an injury prone player</P>


if greenbay has a SOLID back up and pizz made this trade with grant being banged up but before he was on IR it would have been huge and his team would be in alot better shape.</P>


bottom line. if this gets vetoed and mcfadden stays hurt and takes longer to heal and wells does become the #1 which he should and if not hes still getting alotta carries, and its costs him the season.. how is that fair?</P>


</P>


thats the way i see it. he isnt doing this to intentially make moreheads team better. why would he. morehead is one of his biggest competitions right now.</P>


</P>


thats just my take</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:19 PM
big baby, see what you started we're comishless now
It is not big baby. It is about protecting t<SPAN>he integrity of our league. S</SPAN><SPAN>he knows </SPAN><SPAN>how muc</SPAN><SPAN>h I t</SPAN><SPAN>hank </SPAN><SPAN>her for w</SPAN><SPAN>hat s</SPAN><SPAN>he does. It is not easy to put up <FONT color=#0000ff>wit</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>h all of you</FONT>. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>i'm easy baby, like a cool breeze on a sunday morning

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:22 PM
besides Brown sucks this year..

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 06:22 PM
niiice dp jeeeta

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:23 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>


</p>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </p>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</p>



See w<span>hat </span><span>he is projected for w</span><span>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</span><span>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</span><span>he trade evaluator and look at t</span><span>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</span><span>hatever, t</span><span>here will be a vote. </span><span></span></p>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</p>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</p>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</p>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</p>
I am someone wit<span>h lots of FF knowledge. Anyone wit</span><span>h a brain knows t</span><span>hat sir. You </span><span>have to take t</span><span>hat side of it. You are raping </span><span>him. Make a t</span><span>h</span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span>read about it and see w</span><span>hat ot</span><span>hers t</span><span>hink. Post it in a forum. Find one person to say it's a fair trade. Bus</span><span>h will never see t</span><span>he field and </span><span>had not. You couldn't give </span><span>him away earlier in t</span><span>he year. Beanie </span><span>has no valu</span><span>e. Done not</span><span>hing. Ronnie for Bus</span><span>h and Beanie is unfair in my eyes but not able to veto. You put Moss in and it's unreal, I can't even fat</span><span>hom it.


S</span><span>hock is a great FF player. I don't know w</span><span>hat </span><span>he is doing. You were on </span><span>him </span><span>hardest last year about </span><span>how lucky </span><span>he was and </span><span>how bad </span><span>he was so don't start blowing </span><span>him now. You even called me "last years S</span><span>hock"</span><span></span><span></span>

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 06:24 PM
I didn't do t<SPAN>hat. Clearly s</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>has some ot</SPAN><SPAN>her issues.

T</SPAN><SPAN>he fact t</SPAN><SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade </SPAN><SPAN>has caused t</SPAN><SPAN>his muc</SPAN><SPAN>h s</SPAN><SPAN>hit s</SPAN><SPAN>hows </SPAN><SPAN>how ****ed up it is.

Not</SPAN><SPAN>hing like t</SPAN><SPAN>his </SPAN><SPAN>has EVER come close to </SPAN><SPAN>happening before.

I want Amanda to be t</SPAN><SPAN>he commis</SPAN><SPAN>h, s</SPAN><SPAN>he does a great job and maybe s</SPAN><SPAN>he is </SPAN><SPAN>having a bad day or somet</SPAN><SPAN>hing. It is pretty out of c</SPAN><SPAN>harac</SPAN><SPAN>ter for </SPAN><SPAN>her.

Put t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade t</SPAN><SPAN>hroug</SPAN><SPAN>h or vote on it. W</SPAN><SPAN>hatever. I will worry about my team.

Good luck to everyone. MJD is on t</SPAN><SPAN>he market for you worst player. W</SPAN><SPAN>hoever </SPAN><SPAN>he is I </SPAN><SPAN>have a "gut feeling" </SPAN><SPAN>he is going to really come on big later in t</SPAN><SPAN>he season. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


i wasnt having a bad day until this bull****. this isnt a league where we all live close. you have ppl that disappear for days. ppl in different time zones, states and ****ing countries. its not THAT easy to just get in touch with ppl. you need someone to have the final say.. i thought i was the most fair but by the comments made in here other ppl think that is making me unfair so whatever. its too much of a headache and im sick of defending myself. i never give myself credit but for all the bull**** i think ive done a damn good job. i leave everything up debate and votes and everything and this is what i get. its not worth it to me anymore. and then on top of everything else mmbs little rant pushed me over the edge.. its jsut wahtever</P>

dezzzR
10-07-2010, 06:26 PM
andy striking out mauer like daaayyyym

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 06:27 PM
big baby, see what you started we're comishless now
It is not big baby. It is about protecting t<span>he integrity of our league. S</span><span>he knows </span><span>how muc</span><span>h I t</span><span>hank </span><span>her for w</span><span>hat s</span><span>he does. It is not easy to put up <font color="#0000ff">wit</font></span><span><font color="#0000ff">h all of you</font>. </span><span></span><span></span>i'm easy baby, like a cool breeze on a sunday morning

S'why I'm eeeaaaassaaaaayyyyyy!! I'm easy like Sunday Moooooooornin'

&lt;3 The Commodores....well, that song anyway lol

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 06:27 PM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>


</P>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </P>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</P>



See w<SPAN>hat </SPAN><SPAN>he is projected for w</SPAN><SPAN>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</SPAN><SPAN>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade evaluator and look at t</SPAN><SPAN>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</SPAN><SPAN>hatever, t</SPAN><SPAN>here will be a vote. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</P>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</P>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</P>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</P>


</P>


well now there is no need to hear from shocks lol thats how i see it.</P>


hes starting mccluster right now. when he went to trade me brown was on his bench. he likes mcfadden alot. hes handcuffing mcfadden who is already banged up by week 4 and injury prone with a guy that is a decent back up so regardless he is guaranteeing himself a starter for the rest of the year.</P>


wells has ALOT of upside. i benched hightower in my other league becausewells will most likely be the #1 back. </P>


pappy is making out. there is no doubt about it. but to take away from shock what he is seeing a reasonible isnt fair. he knows what he is doing. if he thinks this is helping his team then so be it. if he didnt have mcfadden its rejectable. but that handcuff can be HUGE esp with an injury prone player</P>


if greenbay has a SOLID back up and pizz made this trade with grant being banged up but before he was on IR it would have been huge and his team would be in alot better shape.</P>


bottom line. if this gets vetoed and mcfadden stays hurt and takes longer to heal and wells does become the #1 which he should and if not hes still getting alotta carries, and its costs him the season.. how is that fair?</P>


</P>


thats the way i see it. he isnt doing this to intentially make moreheads team better. why would he. morehead is one of his biggest competitions right now.</P>


</P>


thats just my take</P>


</P>


also look at it this way. if dezz was giving bush and wells to matt... would you guys be *****ing? no..</P>

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:28 PM
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/twins-logo.gif

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:29 PM
big baby, see what you started we're comishless now
It is not big baby. It is about protecting t<SPAN>he integrity of our league. S</SPAN><SPAN>he knows </SPAN><SPAN>how muc</SPAN><SPAN>h I t</SPAN><SPAN>hank </SPAN><SPAN>her for w</SPAN><SPAN>hat s</SPAN><SPAN>he does. It is not easy to put up <FONT color=#0000ff>wit</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>h all of you</FONT>. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>i'm easy baby, like a cool breeze on a sunday morning

S'why I'm eeeaaaassaaaaayyyyyy!! I'm easy like Sunday Moooooooornin'

&lt;3 The Commodores....well, that song anyway lol
speaking of easy, did you get some last night.</P>


BIG EDIT: when i say easy i mean you not her btw</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:30 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny please

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:33 PM
also look at it this way. if dezz was giving bush and wells to matt... would you guys be *****ing? no..
I would be just as upset. I don't care who it was in this trade scenario. I feel bad for Morehead. It is not his fault but this is TOO bad.

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 06:34 PM
im leaving. any trades will be pending until tomorrow morning.</P>


</P>


goodnight.</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:35 PM
im leaving. any trades will be pending until tomorrow morning.</P>


</P>


goodnight.</P>what wait.. tomorrow? ok have a nite

bigblue4417
10-07-2010, 06:35 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny please
Twins? I thought it was Tom Coughlin. lol

Twin Cities....Nickname for Minnesota

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:36 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny pleaseanyone?

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 06:37 PM
big baby, see what you started we're comishless now
It is not big baby. It is about protecting t<span>he integrity of our league. S</span><span>he knows </span><span>how muc</span><span>h I t</span><span>hank </span><span>her for w</span><span>hat s</span><span>he does. It is not easy to put up <font color="#0000ff">wit</font></span><span><font color="#0000ff">h all of you</font>. </span><span></span><span></span>i'm easy baby, like a cool breeze on a sunday morning

S'why I'm eeeaaaassaaaaayyyyyy!! I'm easy like Sunday Moooooooornin'

&lt;3 The Commodores....well, that song anyway lol
speaking of easy, did you get some last night.</p>


BIG EDIT: when i say easy i mean you not her btw</p>

holy ****, i forgot to tell you guys! lol

My date was ruined by a mutual friend of ours. lol. this awesome chick we used to work with showed up with her fiance as soon as we sat down for dinner....which was cool........at first........till we spent dinner with them lol
I mean whatever, it's only 1 night....and it gives me numerous excuses to hang out with her whenever i want lol...so no big deal.

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 06:37 PM
also look at it this way. if dezz was giving bush and wells to matt... would you guys be *****ing? no..
I would be just as upset. I don't care who it was in this trade scenario. I feel bad for Morehead. It is not his fault but this is TOO bad.
</P>


youd laugh at mmb afterwards.</P>


</P>


im not saying its not horrible. its not rejectable. and shocks thinkin its gonna improve his team. whatever its pending til tomorrow.</P>


</P>


lots to discuss tomorrow. commish nonsense. trades. 10/17. be prepared.</P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 06:37 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny pleaseanyone?

Twin Cities.

sorry, didnt see you post that.

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:38 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny please
Twins? I thought it was Tom Coughlin. lol

Twin Cities....Nickname for Minnesota
Minnesota has 2 cities? i'm confused

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 06:39 PM
im leaving. any trades will be pending until tomorrow morning.</P>


</P>


goodnight.</P>


what wait.. tomorrow? ok have a nite</P>


because otherwise i have to listen to morehead ***** and quiet honestly i have had enough for one day</P>


</P>


((not you pappy evreyone else but you get me))</P>

patsrule666
10-07-2010, 06:39 PM
I didn't do t<SPAN>hat. Clearly s</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>has some ot</SPAN><SPAN>her issues.

T</SPAN><SPAN>he fact t</SPAN><SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade </SPAN><SPAN>has caused t</SPAN><SPAN>his muc</SPAN><SPAN>h s</SPAN><SPAN>hit s</SPAN><SPAN>hows </SPAN><SPAN>how ****ed up it is.

Not</SPAN><SPAN>hing like t</SPAN><SPAN>his </SPAN><SPAN>has EVER come close to </SPAN><SPAN>happening before.

I want Amanda to be t</SPAN><SPAN>he commis</SPAN><SPAN>h, s</SPAN><SPAN>he does a great job and maybe s</SPAN><SPAN>he is </SPAN><SPAN>having a bad day or somet</SPAN><SPAN>hing. It is pretty out of c</SPAN><SPAN>harac</SPAN><SPAN>ter for </SPAN><SPAN>her.

Put t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade t</SPAN><SPAN>hroug</SPAN><SPAN>h or vote on it. W</SPAN><SPAN>hatever. I will worry about my team.

Good luck to everyone. MJD is on t</SPAN><SPAN>he market for you worst player. W</SPAN><SPAN>hoever </SPAN><SPAN>he is I </SPAN><SPAN>have a "gut feeling" </SPAN><SPAN>he is going to really come on big later in t</SPAN><SPAN>he season. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


i wasnt having a bad day until this bull****. this isnt a league where we all live close. you have ppl that disappear for days. ppl in different time zones, states and ****ing countries. its not THAT easy to just get in touch with ppl. you need someone to have the final say.. i thought i was the most fair but by the comments made in here other ppl think that is making me unfair so whatever. its too much of a headache and im sick of defending myself. i never give myself credit but for all the bull**** i think ive done a damn good job. i leave everything up debate and votes and everything and this is what i get. its not worth it to me anymore. and then on top of everything else mmbs little rant pushed me over the edge.. its jsut wahtever</P>


Whoa here, what the **** did i just walk into here?? lol.</P>


Let me just say, in my opinion, you do a hell of a job managing both leagues. And your one hell of an assistant head coach...THANK YOUfor what you do!!!!!</P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 06:40 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny please
Twins? I thought it was Tom Coughlin. lol

Twin Cities....Nickname for Minnesota
Minnesota has 2 cities? i'm confused

no...it's Minneapolis, and St. Paul, aka The Twin Cities.

patsrule666
10-07-2010, 06:41 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny please
Twins? I thought it was Tom Coughlin. lol

Twin Cities....Nickname for Minnesota
PM Sir.

ibleedblue85
10-07-2010, 06:42 PM
I didn't do t<SPAN>hat. Clearly s</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>has some ot</SPAN><SPAN>her issues.

T</SPAN><SPAN>he fact t</SPAN><SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade </SPAN><SPAN>has caused t</SPAN><SPAN>his muc</SPAN><SPAN>h s</SPAN><SPAN>hit s</SPAN><SPAN>hows </SPAN><SPAN>how ****ed up it is.

Not</SPAN><SPAN>hing like t</SPAN><SPAN>his </SPAN><SPAN>has EVER come close to </SPAN><SPAN>happening before.

I want Amanda to be t</SPAN><SPAN>he commis</SPAN><SPAN>h, s</SPAN><SPAN>he does a great job and maybe s</SPAN><SPAN>he is </SPAN><SPAN>having a bad day or somet</SPAN><SPAN>hing. It is pretty out of c</SPAN><SPAN>harac</SPAN><SPAN>ter for </SPAN><SPAN>her.

Put t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade t</SPAN><SPAN>hroug</SPAN><SPAN>h or vote on it. W</SPAN><SPAN>hatever. I will worry about my team.

Good luck to everyone. MJD is on t</SPAN><SPAN>he market for you worst player. W</SPAN><SPAN>hoever </SPAN><SPAN>he is I </SPAN><SPAN>have a "gut feeling" </SPAN><SPAN>he is going to really come on big later in t</SPAN><SPAN>he season. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


i wasnt having a bad day until this bull****. this isnt a league where we all live close. you have ppl that disappear for days. ppl in different time zones, states and ****ing countries. its not THAT easy to just get in touch with ppl. you need someone to have the final say.. i thought i was the most fair but by the comments made in here other ppl think that is making me unfair so whatever. its too much of a headache and im sick of defending myself. i never give myself credit but for all the bull**** i think ive done a damn good job. i leave everything up debate and votes and everything and this is what i get. its not worth it to me anymore. and then on top of everything else mmbs little rant pushed me over the edge.. its jsut wahtever</P>


Whoa here, what the **** did i just walk into here?? lol.</P>


Let me just say, in my opinion, you do a hell of a job managing both leagues. And your one hell of an assistant head coach...THANK YOUfor what you do!!!!!</P>


</P>


your bron, nicks and utley cards show that. [:D]</P>


are you interested in co-managing in A with me?</P>

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:42 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny please
Twins? I thought it was Tom Coughlin. lol

Twin Cities....Nickname for Minnesota
Minnesota has 2 cities? i'm confused

no...it's Minneapolis, and St. Paul, aka The Twin Cities.
right Minnesota is the State.. are the really twins?

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 06:44 PM
offtopic, but i found the funniest song (to me anyway)
it's a new song by Good Charlotte, who i dont really like b/c i think they are corny, but it kinda describes my weekends lol....
the name you ask?? Like It's Her Birthday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4o7YqMb8qw&amp;ob=av2n

the video has scantily clad women, so i gave it a watch =P

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 06:45 PM
someone explain the TC symbol for Minny please
Twins? I thought it was Tom Coughlin. lol

Twin Cities....Nickname for Minnesota
Minnesota has 2 cities? i'm confused

no...it's Minneapolis, and St. Paul, aka The Twin Cities.
right Minnesota is the State.. are the really twins?

ya got me, sir! i have no idea. never been to either I don't think

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 06:45 PM
big baby, see what you started we're comishless now
It is not big baby. It is about protecting t<SPAN>he integrity of our league. S</SPAN><SPAN>he knows </SPAN><SPAN>how muc</SPAN><SPAN>h I t</SPAN><SPAN>hank </SPAN><SPAN>her for w</SPAN><SPAN>hat s</SPAN><SPAN>he does. It is not easy to put up <FONT color=#0000ff>wit</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>h all of you</FONT>. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>i'm easy baby, like a cool breeze on a sunday morning

S'why I'm eeeaaaassaaaaayyyyyy!! I'm easy like Sunday Moooooooornin'

&lt;3 The Commodores....well, that song anyway lol
speaking of easy, did you get some last night.</P>


BIG EDIT: when i say easy i mean you not her btw</P>

holy ****, i forgot to tell you guys! lol

My date was ruined by a mutual friend of ours. lol. this awesome chick we used to work with showed up with her fiance as soon as we sat down for dinner....which was cool........at first........till we spent dinner with them lol
I mean whatever, it's only 1 night....and it gives me numerous excuses to hang out with her whenever i want lol...so no big deal.

probably woulda been a bit over the top to suggest swingin or foursome..just remember what Pats says pics or it didn't happen

patsrule666
10-07-2010, 06:45 PM
I didn't do t<SPAN>hat. Clearly s</SPAN><SPAN>he </SPAN><SPAN>has some ot</SPAN><SPAN>her issues.

T</SPAN><SPAN>he fact t</SPAN><SPAN>hat t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade </SPAN><SPAN>has caused t</SPAN><SPAN>his muc</SPAN><SPAN>h s</SPAN><SPAN>hit s</SPAN><SPAN>hows </SPAN><SPAN>how ****ed up it is.

Not</SPAN><SPAN>hing like t</SPAN><SPAN>his </SPAN><SPAN>has EVER come close to </SPAN><SPAN>happening before.

I want Amanda to be t</SPAN><SPAN>he commis</SPAN><SPAN>h, s</SPAN><SPAN>he does a great job and maybe s</SPAN><SPAN>he is </SPAN><SPAN>having a bad day or somet</SPAN><SPAN>hing. It is pretty out of c</SPAN><SPAN>harac</SPAN><SPAN>ter for </SPAN><SPAN>her.

Put t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade t</SPAN><SPAN>hroug</SPAN><SPAN>h or vote on it. W</SPAN><SPAN>hatever. I will worry about my team.

Good luck to everyone. MJD is on t</SPAN><SPAN>he market for you worst player. W</SPAN><SPAN>hoever </SPAN><SPAN>he is I </SPAN><SPAN>have a "gut feeling" </SPAN><SPAN>he is going to really come on big later in t</SPAN><SPAN>he season. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


i wasnt having a bad day until this bull****. this isnt a league where we all live close. you have ppl that disappear for days. ppl in different time zones, states and ****ing countries. its not THAT easy to just get in touch with ppl. you need someone to have the final say.. i thought i was the most fair but by the comments made in here other ppl think that is making me unfair so whatever. its too much of a headache and im sick of defending myself. i never give myself credit but for all the bull**** i think ive done a damn good job. i leave everything up debate and votes and everything and this is what i get. its not worth it to me anymore. and then on top of everything else mmbs little rant pushed me over the edge.. its jsut wahtever</P>


Whoa here, what the **** did i just walk into here?? lol.</P>


Let me just say, in my opinion, you do a hell of a job managing both leagues. And your one hell of an assistant head coach...THANK YOUfor what you do!!!!!</P>


</P>


your bron, nicks and utley cards show that. [:D]</P>


are you interested in co-managing in A with me?</P> As much as my time allows...I would love to..

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 06:53 PM
probably woulda been a bit over the top to suggest swingin or foursome..just remember what Pats says pics or it didn't happen

lol not really my move typically.....well on a first date taht is haha

what kind of photo evidence are you pervs talking about, ya ****ing sketchballs!?

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 07:01 PM
probably woulda been a bit over the top to suggest swingin or foursome..just remember what Pats says pics or it didn't happen

lol not really my move typically.....well on a first date taht is haha

what kind of photo evidence are you pervs talking about, ya ****ing sketchballs!?
pervs?! no way where just keepin you honest, in no way do we want to seenaked hot females.. lol ok imma perv

bandwgn86
10-07-2010, 07:10 PM
whats the score.. i heard Twins had bases loaded.. i don't see Dezz posting go Yanks anymore! are they losing? </P>

JPizzack
10-07-2010, 08:49 PM
Looks like this Big Puma somethin for nothin deal really worked out for us. jeez

byron
10-08-2010, 12:23 AM
Oh man I typed out this not to long message about my thoughts on the MS/shocks trade and thenlost it all and don't remember a word of it..must not of been any good here's anew one... </P>


This is a great league full of great people... the discussions today are prof that things will /are done in a fair way the veto vote.. imo should only be used where there is collusion orany form of cheating ..I don't see it here andwon't imagine it with this group of people...</P>


I would add that even protecting someone from being raped in a trade because they don't know the game would be a miscarriage of the veto vote...if your going to playput your big boy pants on.. I don't want anyone mad at me but my vote would be to put it through..</P>


We have ourselves a hard working great commisioner who is running two leauges which is no doubt a lot of work..Now the discussion today probably had to be had but lets get by it..If she calls for a vote..lets vote and move on.. just saying guys....its almost sunday and I'm hunting for win...look out!!</P>


</P>


</P>


8days 23hours and 45mins</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


for sale ...a beatiful nights stay in down townCarlstadt..make an offer!!</P>


</P>

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 07:49 AM
Oh man I typed out this not to long message about my thoughts on the MS/shocks trade and thenlost it all and don't remember a word of it..must not of been any good here's anew one... </P>


This is a great league full of great people... the discussions today are prof that things will /are done in a fair way the veto vote.. imo should only be used where there is collusion orany form of cheating ..I don't see it here andwon't imagine it with this group of people...</P>


I would add that even protecting someone from being raped in a trade because they don't know the game would be a miscarriage of the veto vote...if your going to playput your big boy pants on.. I don't want anyone mad at me but my vote would be to put it through..</P>


We have ourselves a hard working great commisioner who is running two leauges which is no doubt a lot of work..Now the discussion today probably had to be had but lets get by it..If she calls for a vote..lets vote and move on.. just saying guys....its almost sunday and I'm hunting for win...look out!!</P>


</P>


</P>


8days 23hours and 45mins</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


for sale ...a beatiful nights stay in down townCarlstadt..make an offer!!</P>


</P>


</P>


Thank you Byron for joining me in the fight against tyranny. We fight for the liberty of making our own trades without fear of the oppression of a few disgruntled individuals who would presume to know better than we do on how to conduct our lives.</P>


And you are right about our commisioner. She has always been fair.</P>

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 08:24 AM
I'm not disgruntled, I just felt I was doing my job as a vote carrying, paying member of this league.

Your persistence in telling us our opinion is flat out wrong on all levels, and now going as far as calling us tyrants, is just as ridiculous as your claim that we are telling you "how to live your lives"...lol thats insane. Im not telling you how to live your life...im telling you that your trade is bad.

if voicing that opinion is wrong, well then sir...that makes you the tyrant.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 08:49 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>


</p>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </p>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</p>

i'd take the under on that


and i've stood strong on my yahoo projected rankings.. ur better off throwing darts at random numbers on the wall and see if it hits

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 08:50 AM
uh oh MH is mad he's double posting </p>everyone get down mhs got a gun!
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/32/Dep11.jpg/600px-Dep11.jpg


LMFAO

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 08:51 AM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</p>


its not. this is MMBs league now.</p>

its everybodies league, thats the thing

and besides lando i think everybody is pretty fair and willing in this league

Jint Fan 73
10-08-2010, 08:53 AM
Knock out pool again...you guys have steered me right so far

so here are my options...

Atlanta @ Cleveland - after having trouble with SF not to confident in them

Balt hosting Denver - I like this one, Denver is passing the ball well though

Jax at Buf - when else will I get to use Jax?

Indy hosting Chiefs - this one looks like a lock

Cinci hosting TB - they should be able to handle the Bucs



First blush I was thinking go the safe route with Indy, but now I'm leaning towards keeping Indy in the back pocket and going with Cinci

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 08:56 AM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</p>


If that were true Matt, we would have to wait for all 12 to vote. We have NEVER done that.</p>


She puts it out for whoever is on line, which is usually half or less of the league. So your point is completely wrong.</p>

quite frankly it went to vote last time and pizz, you, blondie, and daven all accepted my one trade

this one is 2-3 with being accepted. We haven't had one this close. I respect the process i dunno why u guys make me out to be this fantasy jagoff. Personally projected wise, current stats, and everything. I still accepted it. So dont pick this fight with my pappy. Besides bettering my own team I am actually one of the most fair fantasy guys around

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 08:57 AM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</p>


If that were true Matt, we would have to wait for all 12 to vote. We have NEVER done that.</p>


She puts it out for whoever is on line, which is usually half or less of the league. So your point is completely wrong.</p>

theres a balance of common sense of putting thru fair trades and letting the league vote on a big debate trade. THis is debatable i would agree. And honestly i couldn't blame anybody who is voting for the veto, but i am not one of them

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 08:58 AM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</p>


You should never give one person or a small group of people power to overturn a trade made in good faith.</p>

no because like blondie said, that means if the 9 other people voting for it wanted to veto it and she didn't want to, she'd have the power to overturn it. And no i dont think that should be true

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 08:59 AM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</p>


You should never give one person or a small group of people to overturn a trade made in good faith.</p>


</p>


The only vetoable trade is one where the participants are suspected of bad faith. If you think one is trying to help another, thats fine. Veto. Where both players are definately trying to help themselves and its not crazy, NO VETO.</p>


In other words, if you don't think someone is doing something fishy, let it go.</p>

or a heavy lopsided trade... but agian thats why im not rejecting it cuz ur two top dogs in the league. But to say that others shouldn't find this specific trade rejectable is false

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:00 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>




Davens logic is that BJ is alway sinjured and may get traded and bradshaw is overrated and injury prone so DJ ware has alot of value...

what if that was the case... so that could be moved for a proven player? i mean u guys are right to an extent but at the current time of life it is 2 backup RBs in horrific offenses 4 Ronnie Brown who when healthy is one of the most consistant backs in the league and a #1 WR
</p>


im not going further til i hear from shock on his thinking. but if he thinks the way i think he is thinking its going thru and although its a bad trade... its not rejectable.</p>

this isn't ur call tho. this is controversal enough to where its going to the league vote. So far its vetoed by Lando and Pizz and accepted by me, u, and danve thats 3.5 to accept to 2 to reject

its gone this far just respect the process. Why do you even bother announcing the trades in the league when something as controversial as this is brought up and ur gonna strong arm it anyway

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:05 AM
When it comes to trading this is what our commish's job is, to my understanding

- Once you see the trade is accepted put it to te boards for public approval
- Typically not everyone wil lsee the trade right away, so for obvious and fair ones the commish does have the power to put them thru
- On cases like this commish holds vote and he/she vote is worth 1.5

that was my understanding of the situation
</p>


should i put commish job in your hands nowor do you want to wait til next year?</p>




see like why are u getting snappy about it, i was under the impression that is how it goes. And to be honest, i would NEVER give one person, commish or not the total control to overthrow the whole leagues votes...

we vote on everything from rules to trades, since when is this a dictatorship
</p>


You should never give one person or a small group of people to overturn a trade made in good faith.</p>


</p>


The only vetoable trade is one where the participants are suspected of bad faith. If you think one is trying to help another, thats fine. Veto. Where both players are definately trying to help themselves and its not crazy, NO VETO.</p>


In other words, if you don't think someone is doing something fishy, let it go.</p>


</p>


that means every single one ofmatts trades will be vetod.</p>

he meant cheating

And honestly STeve Smith &amp; Jay Cutler 4 PErcy Harvin &amp; Matt Ryan may be semi swayed my way but its totally not rejectable. You were talking baout a starting QB &amp; #1 WR 4 a starting QB and a #1 WR (before moss got there)

now the extreme is talking cuz the high and mighty princess is being questioned. Honestly dude u need to chill the **** out. If your gonna cry like this and start cursing everybody off every time theres a debate in the league then I will take over

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:07 AM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</p>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</p>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</p>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</p>

theres no vote needed. Nobody is trying to overthrow you. Stop being dramatic.

Just if ur gonna cry and ***** and curtse everybody off the minute something debatable happens, then just dont do it next year is what im saying. But if ur gonna throw ur hissy fit this year and whine baout then i'll take it over this year...

so aka: Put ur big girl pants on or dont

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:09 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>




Davens logic is that BJ is alway sinjured and may get traded and bradshaw is overrated and injury prone so DJ ware has alot of value...

what if that was the case... so that could be moved for a proven player? i mean u guys are right to an extent but at the current time of life it is 2 backup RBs in horrific offenses 4 Ronnie Brown who when healthy is one of the most consistant backs in the league and a #1 WR
</p>


im not going further til i hear from shock on his thinking. but if he thinks the way i think he is thinking its going thru and although its a bad trade... its not rejectable.</p>


</p>


I'll be honest Amanda. We have specific rules about this. Once a trade is accepted, you shouldn't get the chance to back out. That you did spell out.</p>


My opinion is that if you think there is some hanky panky going on, veto it. If not it should go through regardless of what Shocks says.</p>

oh def. Moorehead and Shocks opinion have nothign to do with this spoecific voting, its on the other 10 members in the league

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:09 AM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</p>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</p>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</p>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</p>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</p>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</p>

yo honestly nobody is disrespecting about any of this except you

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:11 AM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</p>


<font size="6">JACOBS AND ROYAL FOR PALMER</font></p>


</p>


VETO until I see what happens with mine. if the standard is that I think one player is getting a better deal than the other, than I vote <font size="6">NO!!!!</font></p>

well if ur gonna be sour about it then ur gonna cause us to go to a commish decides all league

because any way u dice it ur gettying a #1 RB top 10 status and #1 WR - for a handcuff backup who really has minimal value and a young back who does have a shot at being decent but isn't even starting

it is bull**** and if it wasn't two top tier guys i would of rejected it

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:13 AM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</p>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</p>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</p>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</p>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</p>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</p>

ohhhh stop! youre fine....nobody is disrespecting you. if anything we are debating the system, because nobody is on the same page as to when someone should veto....which happens in every league basically.
you wanna talk about disrespected and under appreciated? get your *** in the kitchen and make me some dinner!!! there....hope that helps....lol


glad im not the only one who realized what the situation is

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:14 AM
IBB, can we move onto more important things like putting through my trade...</p>


we need to vote on whether im finishing this year as commish or MMB is taking over immediately. thats important. i can make the change and it happens immediately.</p>


mine and matts vote doesnt count.</p>


you have until tomorrow at 6pm. all votes must be PMed. if there is a change it will reflect sunday night after the night game.</p>




thats ridiculous. im not voting for that either way. lol
</p>


unless you guys wanna vote on a new commish but i have had it with the ****ing disrespected and with some of the attitudes in here. its like no one appreciates me and feels the need to start this ****.. im so over it. i have more important things in my life to worry about so until im appreciated then nahh im done... mmb is the only one that stepped up to being a commish</p>


MMB's too ugly tobe the face ofthis league.. you have my vote</p>


i dont want a vote. and honestly i dont even want this to be discussed anymore im so over it but i cant take the bull**** anymore. byron is the only ****ing one to ever give me damn credit. and lando once he had to deal with the tickets cause half of you are a pain in the *** to get in touch with. then i just get treated like a peice of ****. over it all.</p>

yo bottom line, ur the only person that called for a vote. I said i'd do it if u really can't take it anymore

and secondly, ur the one that came out cursing at everyone personally. So recognize what actually happened you can go back and read it all, its all there

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:15 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>


</p>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </p>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</p>



See w<span>hat </span><span>he is projected for w</span><span>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</span><span>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</span><span>he trade evaluator and look at t</span><span>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</span><span>hatever, t</span><span>here will be a vote. </span><span></span></p>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</p>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</p>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</p>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</p>

na hes not. You have to go by general projections, what they've done so far and things of that nature

Beanie Wells could pop off, but if he was traded for Ronnie Brown straight up right now, u wouldn't veto it in another league? Thats bull****

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:17 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>


</p>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </p>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</p>



See w<span>hat </span><span>he is projected for w</span><span>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</span><span>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</span><span>he trade evaluator and look at t</span><span>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</span><span>hatever, t</span><span>here will be a vote. </span><span></span></p>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</p>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</p>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</p>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</p>


</p>


well now there is no need to hear from shocks lol thats how i see it.</p>


hes starting mccluster right now. when he went to trade me brown was on his bench. he likes mcfadden alot. hes handcuffing mcfadden who is already banged up by week 4 and injury prone with a guy that is a decent back up so regardless he is guaranteeing himself a starter for the rest of the year.</p>


wells has ALOT of upside. i benched hightower in my other league becausewells will most likely be the #1 back. </p>


pappy is making out. there is no doubt about it. but to take away from shock what he is seeing a reasonible isnt fair. he knows what he is doing. if he thinks this is helping his team then so be it. if he didnt have mcfadden its rejectable. but that handcuff can be HUGE esp with an injury prone player</p>


if greenbay has a SOLID back up and pizz made this trade with grant being banged up but before he was on IR it would have been huge and his team would be in alot better shape.</p>


bottom line. if this gets vetoed and mcfadden stays hurt and takes longer to heal and wells does become the #1 which he should and if not hes still getting alotta carries, and its costs him the season.. how is that fair?</p>


</p>


thats the way i see it. he isnt doing this to intentially make moreheads team better. why would he. morehead is one of his biggest competitions right now.</p>


</p>


thats just my take</p>

it doesn't matter if he was or not. Its lopsided enough of a trade thats its going to vote. Do the process and be fair.

right now its 4.5 votes to 2

Vote for: Me, You, Bandy, Daven

to

VEto: Pizz and Lando

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:18 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>


</p>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </p>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</p>



See w<span>hat </span><span>he is projected for w</span><span>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</span><span>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</span><span>he trade evaluator and look at t</span><span>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</span><span>hatever, t</span><span>here will be a vote. </span><span></span></p>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</p>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</p>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</p>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</p>
I am someone wit<span>h lots of FF knowledge. Anyone wit</span><span>h a brain knows t</span><span>hat sir. You </span><span>have to take t</span><span>hat side of it. You are raping </span><span>him. Make a t</span><span>h</span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span>read about it and see w</span><span>hat ot</span><span>hers t</span><span>hink. Post it in a forum. Find one person to say it's a fair trade. Bus</span><span>h will never see t</span><span>he field and </span><span>had not. You couldn't give </span><span>him away earlier in t</span><span>he year. Beanie </span><span>has no valu</span><span>e. Done not</span><span>hing. Ronnie for Bus</span><span>h and Beanie is unfair in my eyes but not able to veto. You put Moss in and it's unreal, I can't even fat</span><span>hom it.


S</span><span>hock is a great FF player. I don't know w</span><span>hat </span><span>he is doing. You were on </span><span>him </span><span>hardest last year about </span><span>how lucky </span><span>he was and </span><span>how bad </span><span>he was so don't start blowing </span><span>him now. You even called me "last years S</span><span>hock"</span><span></span><span></span>

Beanie does have value, just to be put on the Ronnie Brown level of value is a joke

bandwgn86
10-08-2010, 09:19 AM
mornin turdburglars

bandwgn86
10-08-2010, 09:20 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</P>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</P>


</P>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </P>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</P>



See w<SPAN>hat </SPAN><SPAN>he is projected for w</SPAN><SPAN>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</SPAN><SPAN>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</SPAN><SPAN>he trade evaluator and look at t</SPAN><SPAN>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</SPAN><SPAN>hatever, t</SPAN><SPAN>here will be a vote. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</P>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</P>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</P>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</P>


</P>


well now there is no need to hear from shocks lol thats how i see it.</P>


hes starting mccluster right now. when he went to trade me brown was on his bench. he likes mcfadden alot. hes handcuffing mcfadden who is already banged up by week 4 and injury prone with a guy that is a decent back up so regardless he is guaranteeing himself a starter for the rest of the year.</P>


wells has ALOT of upside. i benched hightower in my other league becausewells will most likely be the #1 back. </P>


pappy is making out. there is no doubt about it. but to take away from shock what he is seeing a reasonible isnt fair. he knows what he is doing. if he thinks this is helping his team then so be it. if he didnt have mcfadden its rejectable. but that handcuff can be HUGE esp with an injury prone player</P>


if greenbay has a SOLID back up and pizz made this trade with grant being banged up but before he was on IR it would have been huge and his team would be in alot better shape.</P>


bottom line. if this gets vetoed and mcfadden stays hurt and takes longer to heal and wells does become the #1 which he should and if not hes still getting alotta carries, and its costs him the season.. how is that fair?</P>


</P>


thats the way i see it. he isnt doing this to intentially make moreheads team better. why would he. morehead is one of his biggest competitions right now.</P>


</P>


thats just my take</P>

it doesn't matter if he was or not. Its lopsided enough of a trade thats its going to vote. Do the process and be fair.

right now its 4.5 votes to 2

Vote for: Me, You, Bandy, Daven

to

<FONT color=#0000ff>VEto: Pizz and Lando
</FONT>aka the big baby brothers [:P]

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:21 AM
I didn't do t<span>hat. Clearly s</span><span>he </span><span>has some ot</span><span>her issues.

T</span><span>he fact t</span><span>hat t</span><span>he trade </span><span>has caused t</span><span>his muc</span><span>h s</span><span>hit s</span><span>hows </span><span>how ****ed up it is.

Not</span><span>hing like t</span><span>his </span><span>has EVER come close to </span><span>happening before.

I want Amanda to be t</span><span>he commis</span><span>h, s</span><span>he does a great job and maybe s</span><span>he is </span><span>having a bad day or somet</span><span>hing. It is pretty out of c</span><span>harac</span><span>ter for </span><span>her.

Put t</span><span>he trade t</span><span>hroug</span><span>h or vote on it. W</span><span>hatever. I will worry about my team.

Good luck to everyone. MJD is on t</span><span>he market for you worst player. W</span><span>hoever </span><span>he is I </span><span>have a "gut feeling" </span><span>he is going to really come on big later in t</span><span>he season. </span><span></span></p>


i wasnt having a bad day until this bull****. this isnt a league where we all live close. you have ppl that disappear for days. ppl in different time zones, states and ****ing countries. its not THAT easy to just get in touch with ppl. you need someone to have the final say.. i thought i was the most fair but by the comments made in here other ppl think that is making me unfair so whatever. its too much of a headache and im sick of defending myself. i never give myself credit but for all the bull**** i think ive done a damn good job. i leave everything up debate and votes and everything and this is what i get. its not worth it to me anymore. and then on top of everything else mmbs little rant pushed me over the edge.. its jsut wahtever</p>

u keep taking it personal on the fact that we said anything that was debatable would go to vote. I could care less to be honest.

Nobody said you ever had the power to overthrow a trade if most the league wanted it rejected it and this is why. And again, nobody attacked u personally or said anything about u being fair infact everyone said you were. You read what u wanted to read and had an attitude yesterday. And after reading all the **** u said yesterday, u now have me dark

ITs amazing how u somehow made this about u, when the only thing that had to do with u, was what ur job was as the commish. You somehow too kit personal, but thats ur problem. Your the one that came out cursing me and lando off so whatever

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:22 AM
I dont know why this is causing anger issues. my view of the veto option has always been, i veto if i feel its cheating /collusion OR if the trade is VISIBLY unbalanced and unfair.
I could care less what teams are involved, or who the owners of the teams are.

OF course there is leeway with HOW unbalanced a trade is...but i vetoed this trade because i looked at it and laughed immediately.

</p>


ill tell you right now there is a 95% chance this trade goes thru. its not as unfair as you think. shock is helpin his team in a way... i think hes giving up too much honestly but there it logic behind it</p>


</p>


Yahoo is projecting Bush at almost 13 points this week. </p>


I guess Lando and Pizz know better than everybody else.</p>



See w<span>hat </span><span>he is projected for w</span><span>hen McFadden comes back. Compare t</span><span>hat to Ronnie or Moss?

Go in t</span><span>he trade evaluator and look at t</span><span>he plus and minus. Post it for me. I bet it is +80 or 100 for you.


It is lopsided and unfair. Sorry. But w</span><span>hatever, t</span><span>here will be a vote. </span><span></span></p>


Who are you to tell Shocks that McFadd's hammy will heal and he's not entitled to protect himself with Bush. Who are you to tell him that Beanie sucks and Hightower will get all the carries in Zona.</p>


Its not your place. Its not unreasonable for him to think that beanie will have a big 2nd half and Bush is a good protection for Mcfadd, who has a history of injury.</p>


As I said a few weeks ago, Shocks is a really good FF player.</p>


You are WAY out of bounds on this my friend.</p>


</p>


well now there is no need to hear from shocks lol thats how i see it.</p>


hes starting mccluster right now. when he went to trade me brown was on his bench. he likes mcfadden alot. hes handcuffing mcfadden who is already banged up by week 4 and injury prone with a guy that is a decent back up so regardless he is guaranteeing himself a starter for the rest of the year.</p>


wells has ALOT of upside. i benched hightower in my other league becausewells will most likely be the #1 back. </p>


pappy is making out. there is no doubt about it. but to take away from shock what he is seeing a reasonible isnt fair. he knows what he is doing. if he thinks this is helping his team then so be it. if he didnt have mcfadden its rejectable. but that handcuff can be HUGE esp with an injury prone player</p>


if greenbay has a SOLID back up and pizz made this trade with grant being banged up but before he was on IR it would have been huge and his team would be in alot better shape.</p>


bottom line. if this gets vetoed and mcfadden stays hurt and takes longer to heal and wells does become the #1 which he should and if not hes still getting alotta carries, and its costs him the season.. how is that fair?</p>


</p>


thats the way i see it. he isnt doing this to intentially make moreheads team better. why would he. morehead is one of his biggest competitions right now.</p>


</p>


thats just my take</p>


</p>


also look at it this way. if dezz was giving bush and wells to matt... would you guys be *****ing? no..</p>

for who? if i gave up Ronnie Brown and Moss?

honestly i wouldn't reject it in that case either.

And thats for the same exact reason why im not rejecting this trade even tho i think its unfair and unbalanced

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:26 AM
Oh man I typed out this not to long message about my thoughts on the MS/shocks trade and thenlost it all and don't remember a word of it..must not of been any good here's anew one... </p>


This is a great league full of great people... the discussions today are prof that things will /are done in a fair way the veto vote.. imo should only be used where there is collusion orany form of cheating ..I don't see it here andwon't imagine it with this group of people...</p>


I would add that even protecting someone from being raped in a trade because they don't know the game would be a miscarriage of the veto vote...if your going to playput your big boy pants on.. I don't want anyone mad at me but my vote would be to put it through..</p>


We have ourselves a hard working great commisioner who is running two leauges which is no doubt a lot of work..Now the discussion today probably had to be had but lets get by it..If she calls for a vote..lets vote and move on.. just saying guys....its almost sunday and I'm hunting for win...look out!!</p>


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for sale ...a beatiful nights stay in down townCarlstadt..make an offer!!</p>


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Thank you Byron for joining me in the fight against tyranny. We fight for the liberty of making our own trades without fear of the oppression of a few disgruntled individuals who would presume to know better than we do on how to conduct our lives.</p>


And you are right about our commisioner. She has always been fair.</p>]

okay but u see with byron that makes the vote 5.5 to 2 votes, so its been put thru

now was that so hard? It was done fair and now nobody can complain. Hence why on a situation like this the commish should not have the strong arm power

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:27 AM
I'm not disgruntled, I just felt I was doing my job as a vote carrying, paying member of this league.

Your persistence in telling us our opinion is flat out wrong on all levels, and now going as far as calling us tyrants, is just as ridiculous as your claim that we are telling you "how to live your lives"...lol thats insane. Im not telling you how to live your life...im telling you that your trade is bad.

if voicing that opinion is wrong, well then sir...that makes you the tyrant.</p>

Pizz owned u there pappy

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:28 AM
Knock out pool again...you guys have steered me right so far

so here are my options...

Atlanta @ Cleveland - after having trouble with SF not to confident in them

Balt hosting Denver - I like this one, Denver is passing the ball well though

Jax at Buf - when else will I get to use Jax?

Indy hosting Chiefs - this one looks like a lock

Cinci hosting TB - they should be able to handle the Bucs



First blush I was thinking go the safe route with Indy, but now I'm leaning towards keeping Indy in the back pocket and going with Cinci








i would say cincy.. i went NO this week tho

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 09:36 AM
Knock out pool again...you guys have steered me right so far

so here are my options...

Atlanta @ Cleveland - after having trouble with SF not to confident in them

Balt hosting Denver - I like this one, Denver is passing the ball well though

Jax at Buf - when else will I get to use Jax?

Indy hosting Chiefs - this one looks like a lock

Cinci hosting TB - they should be able to handle the Bucs



First blush I was thinking go the safe route with Indy, but now I'm leaning towards keeping Indy in the back pocket and going with Cinci








i would say cincy.. i went NO this week tho
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Jax in my opinion on the momentum against the worst team in football. Indy is shaky...who knows.
I dont really liuke the other matchups, but Atlanta will have an easier time with cleveland than they did SF , imo</P>

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 09:38 AM
Everything seems to have blown up after I left yesterday :P

Here's my take...

Obviously when a trade is debatable a league vote should be done, Morehead, the reason we didn't always wait for 12 people before is because those trades that were going through were clearly fair/balanced and we knew noone would veto..(I mean if Lando's ok with it then obviously everyone else is lol)

When it DOES go to a Vote, I'm sorry Amanda but the Commish never has the right to overrule everyone else, you vote can count twice or 1.5 maybe but you can't overrule everyone else on the vote for whether a trade is fair or not.

the real problem here IMHO is the fact that Lando and MMB don't seem to understand why a trade is veto-able or not...they seem to think that if THEY think it's unfair...well then it should be vetoed.....the fact is that has NOTHING to do with it....whether I'm trading Peyton Manning for Danny Ware or Andre Johnson for Danny Woodhead...noone has the right to veto that trade because they think it's unbalanced....you veto a trade because you think someone is CHEATING....

I don't blame morehead for being angry....and if I was Shocks i'd be even MORE angry....you are flat out accusing both of these people of CHEATING in a FF league as far as I'm concerned...and the fact that you guys think they would cheat is somewhat insulting....

I'll reiterate one more time, you veto trades because you think people are cheating...NOT because you think you know better then the guys making the trade.

dezzzR
10-08-2010, 09:39 AM
8 more wins!!!!!

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 09:39 AM
I'm not disgruntled, I just felt I was doing my job as a vote carrying, paying member of this league.

Your persistence in telling us our opinion is flat out wrong on all levels, and now going as far as calling us tyrants, is just as ridiculous as your claim that we are telling you "how to live your lives"...lol thats insane. Im not telling you how to live your life...im telling you that your trade is bad.

if voicing that opinion is wrong, well then sir...that makes you the tyrant.</P>




Pizz owned u there pappy
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I'm notlookin to "own" him. I just want him to know how ridiculous it all seems. He calls us cry babies, but whos REALLY the cry baby because they wont "get what they want" its so assbackwards.
You want a lopsided trade to go thru, maybe you shoulda just drafted a better team. My team is lookin weak, but i know im not gonna get a crzy lopsided trade thrown my way, and most my players dont hold high value right now, so there's not much i can do. Morehead's team is fine, so again i ask...whos the ****in crybaby?</P>

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 09:41 AM
the real problem here IMHO is the fact that Lando and MMB don't seem to understand why a trade is veto-able or not...they seem to think that if THEY think it's unfair...well then it should be vetoed.....the fact is that has NOTHING to do with it....whether I'm trading Peyton Manning for Danny Ware or Andre Johnson for Danny Woodhead...noone has the right to veto that trade because they think it's unbalanced....you veto a trade because you think someone is CHEATING....

I don't blame morehead for being angry....and if I was Shocks i'd be even MORE angry....you are flat out accusing both of these people of CHEATING in a FF league as far as I'm concerned...and the fact that you guys think they would cheat is somewhat insulting....

I'll reiterate one more time, you veto trades because you think people are cheating...NOT because you think you know better then the guys making the trade.
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see and thats what the actual problem is. I don't feel thats the only reason to veto a trade. and this is another case of someone(you) saying your opinion is correct, and mine is wrong.</P>


edit - btw, im not accusing anyone of cheating. i just think its bad......bad....</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:44 AM
Knock out pool again...you guys have steered me right so far

so here are my options...

Atlanta @ Cleveland - after having trouble with SF not to confident in them

Balt hosting Denver - I like this one, Denver is passing the ball well though

Jax at Buf - when else will I get to use Jax?

Indy hosting Chiefs - this one looks like a lock

Cinci hosting TB - they should be able to handle the Bucs



First blush I was thinking go the safe route with Indy, but now I'm leaning towards keeping Indy in the back pocket and going with Cinci








i would say cincy.. i went NO this week tho
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Jax in my opinion on the momentum against the worst team in football. Indy is shaky...who knows.
I dont really liuke the other matchups, but Atlanta will have an easier time with cleveland than they did SF , imo</p>

ehh its on the road in buffalo... i mean u could be right, but ialso think it could be a big let down for a not so good team that just went to war vs indy...

i could see a let down. Plus Buffalo could be hungry and they can def beat Jax who isn't good on either side of the ball. ID stay away from that one

byron
10-08-2010, 09:46 AM
I may have misunderstood something here If Amanda called for a vote then lets vote it and move on a leauge vote is the fairest thing I would think...I did some reading on the subject before I spoke... here isone article I read... for whats its worth</P>


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/214600-veto-power-a-guide-to-evaluating-pending-fantasy-football-trades</P>


It comes down to what one thinks is reject able ..I based my decision in part with what readin this article..I may be all wet.. but my vote would be to let this go through...I have got to go to work.. sorry guys </P>


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JPizzack
10-08-2010, 09:46 AM
ehh its on the road in buffalo... i mean u could be right, but ialso think it could be a big let down for a not so good team that just went to war vs indy...

i could see a let down. Plus Buffalo could be hungry and they can def beat Jax who isn't good on either side of the ball. ID stay away from that one
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yea but they lost their best RB, have no O-line, no QB, no recievers....what are they going to win with? hopes and dreams? =P lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:47 AM
Everything seems to have blown up after I left yesterday :P

Here's my take...

Obviously when a trade is debatable a league vote should be done, Morehead, the reason we didn't always wait for 12 people before is because those trades that were going through were clearly fair/balanced and we knew noone would veto..(I mean if Lando's ok with it then obviously everyone else is lol)

When it DOES go to a Vote, I'm sorry Amanda but the Commish never has the right to overrule everyone else, you vote can count twice or 1.5 maybe but you can't overrule everyone else on the vote for whether a trade is fair or not.

the real problem here IMHO is the fact that Lando and MMB don't seem to understand why a trade is veto-able or not...they seem to think that if THEY think it's unfair...well then it should be vetoed.....the fact is that has NOTHING to do with it....whether I'm trading Peyton Manning for Danny Ware or Andre Johnson for Danny Woodhead...noone has the right to veto that trade because they think it's unbalanced....you veto a trade because you think someone is CHEATING....

I don't blame morehead for being angry....and if I was Shocks i'd be even MORE angry....you are flat out accusing both of these people of CHEATING in a FF league as far as I'm concerned...and the fact that you guys think they would cheat is somewhat insulting....

I'll reiterate one more time, you veto trades because you think people are cheating...NOT because you think you know better then the guys making the trade.


First off, i accepted the trade from the first minute, i just said its prolly going to have to go the distance on a vote. A trade being unfair and unbalanced is def vetoable. This is a #1 stud back and #1 WR for two #2 Backs... honestly something of this level is rejectable.

If it wasn't two of the top teams in the league making this move, i would of rejected it for the record

NOBODY accused them of cheating. Just a brutally unbalanced trade. Well thats not true.

If u had Ronnie Brown, and we all know u think DJ Ware is the man and we did that trade straight up everybody would reject it and they should

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 09:48 AM
see and thats what the actual problem is. I don't feel thats the only reason to veto a trade. and this is another case of someone(you) saying your opinion is correct, and mine is wrong.</p>


edit - btw, im not accusing anyone of cheating. i just think its bad......bad....</p>

I don't know what to say other then that you are wrong, you logic is faulty....of course I think Morehead is making out like abandit on this trade I'm not blind...but in FF you can NEVER know what will happen...

If Shocks thinks this deal makes his team better, if he honestly does...what right do you or I have to say...No Shocks your stupid, you can't make that trade....you CAN'T do that, if you are going to do that then why even play...if everyone has to think the same thing about every player then whats the point of playing in the first place...it defeats the purpose of playing FF altogether.

So Shocks values Beanie and Bush higher then anyone else in the league SO WHAT...that's his choice...he's not giving people to Morehead purposely to make Moreheads team stronger....if you think he is veto it....but don't veto it because you think YOU know better then he does about what a player is going to do over the next 8 weeks....because seriously....you have no idea and don't act like you do.

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:50 AM
see and thats what the actual problem is. I don't feel thats the only reason to veto a trade. and this is another case of someone(you) saying your opinion is correct, and mine is wrong.</p>


edit - btw, im not accusing anyone of cheating. i just think its bad......bad....</p>

I don't know what to say other then that you are wrong, you logic is faulty....of course I think Morehead is making out like abandit on this trade I'm not blind...but in FF you can NEVER know what will happen...

If Shocks thinks this deal makes his team better, if he honestly does...what right do you or I have to say...No Shocks your stupid, you can't make that trade....you CAN'T do that, if you are going to do that then why even play...if everyone has to think the same thing about every player then whats the point of playing in the first place...it defeats the purpose of playing FF altogether.

So Shocks values Beanie and Bush higher then anyone else in the league SO WHAT...that's his choice...he's not giving people to Morehead purposely to make Moreheads team stronger....if you think he is veto it....but don't veto it because you think YOU know better then he does about what a player is going to do over the next 8 weeks....because seriously....you have no idea and don't act like you do.


well thats not true at all i think ur wrong. Collusion doesn't have to be the only reason for a trade to be rejected


Bottom line daven, 2 backups are being traded for two #1s and one of them is a stud

at the end of the day it has to be reviewed

dezzzR
10-08-2010, 09:51 AM
I'm not disgruntled, I just felt I was doing my job as a vote carrying, paying member of this league.

Your persistence in telling us our opinion is flat out wrong on all levels, and now going as far as calling us tyrants, is just as ridiculous as your claim that we are telling you "how to live your lives"...lol thats insane. Im not telling you how to live your life...im telling you that your trade is bad.

if voicing that opinion is wrong, well then sir...that makes you the tyrant.</p>




Pizz owned u there pappy
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I'm notlookin to "own" him. I just want him to know how ridiculous it all seems. He calls us cry babies, but whos REALLY the cry baby because they wont "get what they want" its so assbackwards.
You want a lopsided trade to go thru, maybe you shoulda just drafted a better team. My team is lookin weak, but i know im not gonna get a crzy lopsided trade thrown my way, and most my players dont hold high value right now, so there's not much i can do. Morehead's team is fine, so again i ask...whos the ****in crybaby?</p>but like you said, were paying customers. if someone wants to go ahead and trade desean for someone terrible, thats on them. the games about strategy and trying to bull**** to get the players you want. free enterprise. to have one veto ruin everything isnt a good idea at all imo.

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:51 AM
I may have misunderstood something here If Amanda called for a vote then lets vote it and move on a leauge vote is the fairest thing I would think...I did some reading on the subject before I spoke... here isone article I read... for whats its worth</p>


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/214600-veto-power-a-guide-to-evaluating-pending-fantasy-football-trades</p>


It comes down to what one thinks is reject able ..I based my decision in part with what readin this article..I may be all wet.. but my vote would be to let this go through...I have got to go to work.. sorry guys </p>


</p>

2. When a trade is approved by both teams involved,
and is up for approval, don’t panic. Ask yourself a simple
question...does the trade seem equal to you for both teams involved? If
so, approve the deal and move on. End of story.



bottom line, trading two backup RBS for Ronnie Brown is not equal...

I would still say this trade would be rejectable if Moss wasn't even in the offer

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:56 AM
I'm not disgruntled, I just felt I was doing my job as a vote carrying, paying member of this league.

Your persistence in telling us our opinion is flat out wrong on all levels, and now going as far as calling us tyrants, is just as ridiculous as your claim that we are telling you "how to live your lives"...lol thats insane. Im not telling you how to live your life...im telling you that your trade is bad.

if voicing that opinion is wrong, well then sir...that makes you the tyrant.</p>




Pizz owned u there pappy
</p>


I'm notlookin to "own" him. I just want him to know how ridiculous it all seems. He calls us cry babies, but whos REALLY the cry baby because they wont "get what they want" its so assbackwards.
You want a lopsided trade to go thru, maybe you shoulda just drafted a better team. My team is lookin weak, but i know im not gonna get a crzy lopsided trade thrown my way, and most my players dont hold high value right now, so there's not much i can do. Morehead's team is fine, so again i ask...whos the ****in crybaby?</p>but like you said, were paying customers. if someone wants to go ahead and trade desean for someone terrible, thats on them. the games about strategy and trying to bull**** to get the players you want. free enterprise. to have one veto ruin everything isnt a good idea at all imo.


exactly, lopsided trades are going to be reviewed by everyone cuz EVERYONE is a paying customer and if somebody really can't justify a trade between two other teams go thru, then they should have the power to veto it

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:56 AM
I'm not disgruntled, I just felt I was doing my job as a vote carrying, paying member of this league.

Your persistence in telling us our opinion is flat out wrong on all levels, and now going as far as calling us tyrants, is just as ridiculous as your claim that we are telling you "how to live your lives"...lol thats insane. Im not telling you how to live your life...im telling you that your trade is bad.

if voicing that opinion is wrong, well then sir...that makes you the tyrant.</p>




Pizz owned u there pappy
</p>


I'm notlookin to "own" him. I just want him to know how ridiculous it all seems. He calls us cry babies, but whos REALLY the cry baby because they wont "get what they want" its so assbackwards.
You want a lopsided trade to go thru, maybe you shoulda just drafted a better team. My team is lookin weak, but i know im not gonna get a crzy lopsided trade thrown my way, and most my players dont hold high value right now, so there's not much i can do. Morehead's team is fine, so again i ask...whos the ****in crybaby?</p>but like you said, were paying customers. if someone wants to go ahead and trade desean for someone terrible, thats on them. the games about strategy and trying to bull**** to get the players you want. free enterprise. to have one veto ruin everything isnt a good idea at all imo.


exactly, lopsided trades are going to be reviewed by everyone cuz EVERYONE is a paying customer and if somebody really can't justify a trade between two other teams go thru, then they should have the power to veto it

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 09:56 AM
I'm not disgruntled, I just felt I was doing my job as a vote carrying, paying member of this league.

Your persistence in telling us our opinion is flat out wrong on all levels, and now going as far as calling us tyrants, is just as ridiculous as your claim that we are telling you "how to live your lives"...lol thats insane. Im not telling you how to live your life...im telling you that your trade is bad.

if voicing that opinion is wrong, well then sir...that makes you the tyrant.</p>




Pizz owned u there pappy
</p>


I'm notlookin to "own" him. I just want him to know how ridiculous it all seems. He calls us cry babies, but whos REALLY the cry baby because they wont "get what they want" its so assbackwards.
You want a lopsided trade to go thru, maybe you shoulda just drafted a better team. My team is lookin weak, but i know im not gonna get a crzy lopsided trade thrown my way, and most my players dont hold high value right now, so there's not much i can do. Morehead's team is fine, so again i ask...whos the ****in crybaby?</p>but like you said, were paying customers. if someone wants to go ahead and trade desean for someone terrible, thats on them. the games about strategy and trying to bull**** to get the players you want. free enterprise. to have one veto ruin everything isnt a good idea at all imo.


exactly, lopsided trades are going to be reviewed by everyone cuz EVERYONE is a paying customer and if somebody really can't justify a trade between two other teams go thru, then they should have the power to veto it

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:00 AM
it is bull**** and if it wasn't two top tier guys i would of rejected it

This is what I can't stomach from you Matt. So if you were #1 in the league you would reject it but since you are not you won't. That is not how it works. It's either rejectable or not. You know it is therefore you should stick with what you know is right. The trade is garbage and if it was me trading with Shockey Show or Bandy you would squash it in a second. Only reason you are not is because it benefits you. It's ****ed bro.

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:01 AM
Daven, where in fantasy sports does it say that someone in league who paid $50 to play, can only a veto a trade if they suspect cheating? Where does it say that? Who made this the unwritten rule?
I would never accuse anyone in this league of cheating because I think highly of all of you.

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:01 AM
First off, i accepted the trade from the first minute, i just said its prolly going to have to go the distance on a vote. A trade being unfair and unbalanced is def vetoable.

Who the F are you, and who the F am I to decide we know better then Shocky what these players are going to do for the rest of the year...it's ludicrous, the whole point of FF is finding players and picking them up at the right time so your team profits....you are basically saying though, that you are not going to allow people to try and make a move other people didn't see coming simply because you don't think it works...WTF why even play FF then it defeats the entire purpose of playing....and honestly...if this trade ends up getting veto'ed I'll drop from this league next year because it's literally ridiculous....you DON'T veto trades because you don't like them, you veto them because people are cheating....that's the ONLY reason.



This is a #1 stud back and #1 WR for two #2 Backs... honestly something of this level is rejectable.

Damnit MMB...just becaue YOU SAY it's a #1WR for two #2 Backs doesn't make it so, I agree with your evaluation, but your evaluation, Lando's Evaluation and My Evaluation don't mean OSI, WE aren't pulling the trigger, Shocks is making a deal, and if he thinks his trade makes his team better then who are we to tell him he's wrong....we are his opponents...it's entirely possible he's just out smarting us on this one...you CAN'T know whats happening....you can't make a decision based upon what you think will happen for someone else...because obviously he thinks something else will happen.


TIf it wasn't two of the top teams in the league making this move, i would of rejected it for the record

Which is also ****ing ******ed what place the team is at week 3-4 has no ****ing relevance to whether you should allow the trade or not...the ONLY thing that matters is whether you think they are trying to cheat the system somehow...if that's what you think is going on then by all means VETO...but if you are vetoing because you know better then everyone else then you are ****ing conceited I'm sorry but that's just how it is.


NOBODY accused them of cheating.

the ONLY reason to veto is because of cheating, so anyone who vetos is automatically accusing them of cheating...period.



If u had Ronnie Brown, and we all know u think DJ Ware is the man and we did that trade straight up everybody would reject it and they should


NO they shouldn't and I'd be ****ing pissed if it got rejected, maybe I would be doing it because I found out AB was going to be out longer term before anyone else did and I was getting Ware because I knew he'd be starting over BJ, then it'd get rejected someone else would end up with DJ Ware...he'd up being a top 5 back a STUD and I'd be stuck with Brown who ends up being terrible for the rest of the year....I end up losing the league because a trade that would have won me the league was veto'ed because other ****ers in the league think they know everything, I'd be ****ing livid, and the fact that you guys (Lando You and anyone else saying they would veto this trade) is honeslty pissing me off hardcore...it's so wrong...it's entirely against the way Fantasy Football works.

dezzzR
10-08-2010, 10:02 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/1196360/bjtd-o.gif

lol best td celebration ever, no flag either, amazing

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:04 AM
you are flat out accusing both of these people of CHEATING in a FF league as far as I'm concerned...

That is without a doubt the dumbest ****ing thing you have ever said.

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:04 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/1196360/bjtd-o.gif

lol best td celebration ever, no flag either, amazing
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muahahahah!! They put that in the NFL commercial this summer with that Diddy Dirty Money song. SS12 was also in it.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:05 AM
First off, i accepted the trade from the first minute, i just said its prolly going to have to go the distance on a vote. A trade being unfair and unbalanced is def vetoable.

Who the F are you, and who the F am I to decide we know better then Shocky what these players are going to do for the rest of the year...it's ludicrous, the whole point of FF is finding players and picking them up at the right time so your team profits....you are basically saying though, that you are not going to allow people to try and make a move other people didn't see coming simply because you don't think it works...WTF why even play FF then it defeats the entire purpose of playing....and honestly...if this trade ends up getting veto'ed I'll drop from this league next year because it's literally ridiculous....you DON'T veto trades because you don't like them, you veto them because people are cheating....that's the ONLY reason.



This is a #1 stud back and #1 WR for two #2 Backs... honestly something of this level is rejectable.

Damnit MMB...just becaue YOU SAY it's a #1WR for two #2 Backs doesn't make it so, I agree with your evaluation, but your evaluation, Lando's Evaluation and My Evaluation don't mean OSI, WE aren't pulling the trigger, Shocks is making a deal, and if he thinks his trade makes his team better then who are we to tell him he's wrong....we are his opponents...it's entirely possible he's just out smarting us on this one...you CAN'T know whats happening....you can't make a decision based upon what you think will happen for someone else...because obviously he thinks something else will happen.


TIf it wasn't two of the top teams in the league making this move, i would of rejected it for the record

Which is also ****ing ******ed what place the team is at week 3-4 has no ****ing relevance to whether you should allow the trade or not...the ONLY thing that matters is whether you think they are trying to cheat the system somehow...if that's what you think is going on then by all means VETO...but if you are vetoing because you know better then everyone else then you are ****ing conceited I'm sorry but that's just how it is.


NOBODY accused them of cheating.

the ONLY reason to veto is because of cheating, so anyone who vetos is automatically accusing them of cheating...period.



If u had Ronnie Brown, and we all know u think DJ Ware is the man and we did that trade straight up everybody would reject it and they should


NO they shouldn't and I'd be ****ing pissed if it got rejected, maybe I would be doing it because I found out AB was going to be out longer term before anyone else did and I was getting Ware because I knew he'd be starting over BJ, then it'd get rejected someone else would end up with DJ Ware...he'd up being a top 5 back a STUD and I'd be stuck with Brown who ends up being terrible for the rest of the year....I end up losing the league because a trade that would have won me the league was veto'ed because other ****ers in the league think they know everything, I'd be ****ing livid, and the fact that you guys (Lando You and anyone else saying they would veto this trade) is honeslty pissing me off hardcore...it's so wrong...it's entirely against the way Fantasy Football works.


so in ur eyes u could trade me Ronnie Brown for DJ Ware and it should be acceptable

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:05 AM
If it wasn't two of the top teams in the league making this move, i would of rejected it for the record


GAY

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:06 AM
Daven, where in fantasy sports does it say that someone in league who paid $50 to play, can only a veto a trade if they suspect cheating? Where does it say that? Who made this the unwritten rule?
I would never accuse anyone in this league of cheating because I think highly of all of you.

Did the Shocks not pay his 50$? where in fantasy football does it say you get to decide what is the right move or the wrong move for someone else's team...

Cause that's what going on here. you guys are all deciding shocky doesn't know wtf is going on and vetoing his trade on that level....who the **** are you to decide Shockey doesn't know what he's doing...

if you think he's cheating that's one thing...but you are vetoing because you think he's dumb? WTF....why even play FF...if people are trying to outsmart each other, but then the people bing outsmarted get to say no to the one trying to make the move then there is no point in even playing to begin with.

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:06 AM
Bottom line daven, 2 backups are being traded for two #1s and one of them is a stud

at the end of the day it has to be reviewed



Like I said, if this is not rejected then nothing should be. Seriously. lol

This is the worst trade in history.

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:06 AM
it is bull**** and if it wasn't two top tier guys i would of rejected it

This is what I can't stomach from you Matt. So if you were #1 in the league you would reject it but since you are not you won't. That is not how it works. It's either rejectable or not. You know it is therefore you should stick with what you know is right. The trade is garbage and if it was me trading with Shockey Show or Bandy you would squash it in a second. Only reason you are not is because it benefits you. It's ****ed bro.


i most definitly would because its not feeding a good team to be better and a bad team to be worse. One teams gettin the better end and this shoudl pretty much drop them. There is no cheating and its whatever. If Shock wants to get worse, then let him... if a top team was getting the t**** end of the stick, regardless of whaere i am in the standing, i would 99.9% of the time accept it

and the thing i can't stomach wtih u about all of this is that u try and reject every trade.

so i guess we're even except what i said i can't stomach about u is true and what u said about me isnt

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:07 AM
I would still say this trade would be rejectable if Moss wasn't even in the offer


Exactly! I said that yesterday. So change your vote homo.

You know it's so wrong. lol

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:08 AM
First off, i accepted the trade from the first minute, i just said its prolly going to have to go the distance on a vote. A trade being unfair and unbalanced is def vetoable.

Who the F are you, and who the F am I to decide we know better then Shocky what these players are going to do for the rest of the year...it's ludicrous, the whole point of FF is finding players and picking them up at the right time so your team profits....you are basically saying though, that you are not going to allow people to try and make a move other people didn't see coming simply because you don't think it works...WTF why even play FF then it defeats the entire purpose of playing....and honestly...if this trade ends up getting veto'ed I'll drop from this league next year because it's literally ridiculous....you DON'T veto trades because you don't like them, you veto them because people are cheating....that's the ONLY reason.



This is a #1 stud back and #1 WR for two #2 Backs... honestly something of this level is rejectable.

Damnit MMB...just becaue YOU SAY it's a #1WR for two #2 Backs doesn't make it so, I agree with your evaluation, but your evaluation, Lando's Evaluation and My Evaluation don't mean OSI, WE aren't pulling the trigger, Shocks is making a deal, and if he thinks his trade makes his team better then who are we to tell him he's wrong....we are his opponents...it's entirely possible he's just out smarting us on this one...you CAN'T know whats happening....you can't make a decision based upon what you think will happen for someone else...because obviously he thinks something else will happen.


TIf it wasn't two of the top teams in the league making this move, i would of rejected it for the record

Which is also ****ing ******ed what place the team is at week 3-4 has no ****ing relevance to whether you should allow the trade or not...the ONLY thing that matters is whether you think they are trying to cheat the system somehow...if that's what you think is going on then by all means VETO...but if you are vetoing because you know better then everyone else then you are ****ing conceited I'm sorry but that's just how it is.


NOBODY accused them of cheating.

the ONLY reason to veto is because of cheating, so anyone who vetos is automatically accusing them of cheating...period.



If u had Ronnie Brown, and we all know u think DJ Ware is the man and we did that trade straight up everybody would reject it and they should


NO they shouldn't and I'd be ****ing pissed if it got rejected, maybe I would be doing it because I found out AB was going to be out longer term before anyone else did and I was getting Ware because I knew he'd be starting over BJ, then it'd get rejected someone else would end up with DJ Ware...he'd up being a top 5 back a STUD and I'd be stuck with Brown who ends up being terrible for the rest of the year....I end up losing the league because a trade that would have won me the league was veto'ed because other ****ers in the league think they know everything, I'd be ****ing livid, and the fact that you guys (Lando You and anyone else saying they would veto this trade) is honeslty pissing me off hardcore...it's so wrong...it's entirely against the way Fantasy Football works.


and no daven its fact. Bush is the back up to McFadden and Wells is currently the backup to Hightower with the probability of becoming the starter eventually

ur talking about a proven top tier back for that. That is not an even trade... these things are not debatable

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:09 AM
First off, i accepted the trade from the first minute, i just said its prolly going to have to go the distance on a vote. A trade being unfair and unbalanced is def vetoable.

Who the F are you, and who the F am I to decide we know better then Shocky what these players are going to do for the rest of the year...it's ludicrous, the whole point of FF is finding players and picking them up at the right time so your team profits....you are basically saying though, that you are not going to allow people to try and make a move other people didn't see coming simply because you don't think it works...WTF why even play FF then it defeats the entire purpose of playing....and honestly...if this trade ends up getting veto'ed I'll drop from this league next year because it's literally ridiculous....you DON'T veto trades because you don't like them, you veto them because people are cheating....that's the ONLY reason.



This is a #1 stud back and #1 WR for two #2 Backs... honestly something of this level is rejectable.

Damnit MMB...just becaue YOU SAY it's a #1WR for two #2 Backs doesn't make it so, I agree with your evaluation, but your evaluation, Lando's Evaluation and My Evaluation don't mean OSI, WE aren't pulling the trigger, Shocks is making a deal, and if he thinks his trade makes his team better then who are we to tell him he's wrong....we are his opponents...it's entirely possible he's just out smarting us on this one...you CAN'T know whats happening....you can't make a decision based upon what you think will happen for someone else...because obviously he thinks something else will happen.


TIf it wasn't two of the top teams in the league making this move, i would of rejected it for the record

Which is also ****ing ******ed what place the team is at week 3-4 has no ****ing relevance to whether you should allow the trade or not...the ONLY thing that matters is whether you think they are trying to cheat the system somehow...if that's what you think is going on then by all means VETO...but if you are vetoing because you know better then everyone else then you are ****ing conceited I'm sorry but that's just how it is.


NOBODY accused them of cheating.

the ONLY reason to veto is because of cheating, so anyone who vetos is automatically accusing them of cheating...period.



If u had Ronnie Brown, and we all know u think DJ Ware is the man and we did that trade straight up everybody would reject it and they should


NO they shouldn't and I'd be ****ing pissed if it got rejected, maybe I would be doing it because I found out AB was going to be out longer term before anyone else did and I was getting Ware because I knew he'd be starting over BJ, then it'd get rejected someone else would end up with DJ Ware...he'd up being a top 5 back a STUD and I'd be stuck with Brown who ends up being terrible for the rest of the year....I end up losing the league because a trade that would have won me the league was veto'ed because other ****ers in the league think they know everything, I'd be ****ing livid, and the fact that you guys (Lando You and anyone else saying they would veto this trade) is honeslty pissing me off hardcore...it's so wrong...it's entirely against the way Fantasy Football works.


and no daven its fact. Bush is the back up to McFadden and Wells is currently the backup to Hightower with the probability of becoming the starter eventually

ur talking about a proven top tier back for that. That is not an even trade... these things are not debatable

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:10 AM
so in ur eyes u could trade me Ronnie Brown for DJ Ware and it should be acceptable


Of course, maybe I know something you don't, maybe I know Ronnie Brown is losing carries to ****ing <span style="visibility: visible;" id="search">Lousaka Polite and that D.J. Ware is starting this week...maybe I have that knowledge, you don't so I'm trying to get a good deal.

who the **** are you to tell me I'm making the wrong move...I'm trying to help my team, I'm trying to win the league...as long as those are my intentions I'm able to try to make any trade I want. </span>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:10 AM
Daven, where in fantasy sports does it say that someone in league who paid $50 to play, can only a veto a trade if they suspect cheating? Where does it say that? Who made this the unwritten rule?
I would never accuse anyone in this league of cheating because I think highly of all of you.

Did the Shocks not pay his 50$? where in fantasy football does it say you get to decide what is the right move or the wrong move for someone else's team...

Cause that's what going on here. you guys are all deciding shocky doesn't know wtf is going on and vetoing his trade on that level....who the **** are you to decide Shockey doesn't know what he's doing...

if you think he's cheating that's one thing...but you are vetoing because you think he's dumb? WTF....why even play FF...if people are trying to outsmart each other, but then the people bing outsmarted get to say no to the one trying to make the move then there is no point in even playing to begin with.


we dont have an official handbook, but it was made in the rules we made last year

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:11 AM
Bottom line daven, 2 backups are being traded for two #1s and one of them is a stud

at the end of the day it has to be reviewed



Like I said, if this is not rejected then nothing should be. Seriously. lol

This is the worst trade in history.


well its actually not the worst trad ein the history and there is a tiny bit of merit to it... Cuz shock is so stacked he just needs to ge tthru this week.... as dumb as it is he may be able to steal a win this week

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:12 AM
I would still say this trade would be rejectable if Moss wasn't even in the offer


Exactly! I said that yesterday. So change your vote homo.

You know it's so wrong. lol


no im not.. i'll never vote against a trade where a top team trades value away... on principal alone

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:12 AM
so in ur eyes u could trade me Ronnie Brown for DJ Ware and it should be acceptable


Of course, maybe I know something you don't, maybe I know Ronnie Brown is losing carries to ****ing <span style="visibility: visible;" id="search">Lousaka Polite and that D.J. Ware is starting this week...maybe I have that knowledge, you don't so I'm trying to get a good deal.

who the **** are you to tell me I'm making the wrong move...I'm trying to help my team, I'm trying to win the league...as long as those are my intentions I'm able to try to make any trade I want. </span>

well there ya go and thats exactly why we have this process in and im glad we are ablet o veto trades

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:13 AM
You guys just dont get it. Lando could give me MJD for Jabbar Gaffney, we would claim it's fair, and then you'd accuse us of cheating.</P>


at that point i'd quit the league because it's unfair. is that what youre saying?</P>

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:16 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/1196360/bjtd-o.gif

lol best td celebration ever, no flag either, amazing

Wow, I can't believe you finally got it. lol

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:17 AM
we dont have an official handbook, but it was made in the rules we made last year

Fantasy Football is about finding the gem noone else recognized first.

Shocky is attempting to get that Gem right now, you guys don't see it as a gem you see it as a pile of dung...SO DO I...but who are we to decide what it is...it's his choice...he think's he's making the right move...what if he's right and everyone else is wrong...you can't veto a trade based on what you think the players future production is going to be.

it'd be one thing if the trade included players on the IR for studs...cause you know with certianty that the players on IR can't come back, but to assume you know whose going to do better for the rest of the year between Wells or Brown is wrong, you don't know...you can't possibly know.

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:18 AM
You guys just dont get it. Lando could give me MJD for Jabbar Gaffney, we would claim it's fair, and then you'd accuse us of cheating.</p>


at that point i'd quit the league because it's unfair. is that what youre saying?</p>

you would claim it was fair, I'd think you were cheating and vote as such....

I don't blame anyone for thinking this deal is fishy..if that's what you think, but if you are veoing because you think you know better then that's wrong.

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:19 AM
and the thing i can't stomach wtih u about all of this is that u try and reject every trade.

Every trade huh? lol

I tried to reject one trade so far this year. After I got the explanation everything was fine but at first glance it was ****ed.

I am sure you remember every scenario last year to since your memory is so good.

So please tell me?

From now on any trade that goes through I vote yes. I don't care if it's Peyton Manning for John David Booty. This has set a whole new precedence for our league and we have lost some integrity today.

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:20 AM
So...for future reference, I should just blindly accuse both parties of cheating instead of saying a trade is lopsided, just so my veto means something, even if i dont think they are cheating? And possibly risk people hating me for it?
I just need to know how to go about my future trade reviews in this league.

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:20 AM
That is not an even trade... these things are not debatable

Clearly we all know Matts "real" vote but since this benefits him.....

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:21 AM
well there ya go and thats exactly why we have this process in and im glad we are ablet o veto trades

honestly if that's what you think I'm just not gonna be in next year Lawl can take my place, I can't play FF with people who think they have the right to decide what the right moves are for other peoples teams...

you aren't some psychic you don't know the outcome of the season already..

many times last year trades that were voted on, and close to being veto'ed ended up completely different then everyone thought at the time.

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:22 AM
we dont have an official handbook, but it was made in the rules we made last year

Fantasy Football is about finding the gem noone else recognized first.

Shocky is attempting to get that Gem right now, you guys don't see it as a gem you see it as a pile of dung...SO DO I...but who are we to decide what it is...it's his choice...he think's he's making the right move...what if he's right and everyone else is wrong...you can't veto a trade based on what you think the players future production is going to be.

it'd be one thing if the trade included players on the IR for studs...cause you know with certianty that the players on IR can't come back, but to assume you know whose going to do better for the rest of the year between Wells or Brown is wrong, you don't know...you can't possibly know.


u dont pay a diamond price for a pile of dirt, until u find the diamond in there..

Gems come from draft, fa, or whatever.

Bottom lines Wells value right now is not of Ronnie Brown and nowhere near it. Hence why this is rejectable

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:22 AM
he may be able to steal a win this week

NO WAY

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:23 AM
well there ya go and thats exactly why we have this process in and im glad we are ablet o veto trades

honestly if that's what you think I'm just not gonna be in next year Lawl can take my place, I can't play FF with people who think they have the right to decide what the right moves are for other peoples teams...

you aren't some psychic you don't know the outcome of the season already..

many times last year trades that were voted on, and close to being veto'ed ended up completely different then everyone thought at the time.


then thats on you, the rules were instilled last year. Debatable trades get voted on end of story

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:23 AM
So...for future reference, I should just blindly accuse both parties of cheating instead of saying a trade is lopsided, just so my veto means something, even if i dont think they are cheating? And possibly risk people hating me for it?
I just need to know how to go about my future trade reviews in this league.

The Veto is there to prevent FF players from trading players to a strong team from a weak team usually right before the playoffs after the weak team is out, that's the only reason for it, to prevent cheating...

if you use a veto to decide what is and isn't the right moves for teams to make then there is simply no reason to even be playing Fantasy Football in the first place...period.

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:23 AM
This debate is stupid.</P>


You either have the right to make moves that you think will help you win or you don't. If you don't, what fun is it?</P>


By the standards put forward by Lando and Pizz, 95% of all the trade proposals made would be rejectable.</P>


Don't forget last year when Lando vetoed the trade Daven and I had made with Jonathan Stewart and Vernon Davis. They thought I was getting shafted and it got rejected.</P>


Later that yearStewart went crazy against me and I got knocked out of the playoffs. They told me I was better off getting julius Jones instead of Stewart. They were wrong, and i paid the price. Not for my decision, but for everyone else's decision. I made the right decision, but others thought I was making a mistake.</P>


They benefitted, I got hurt.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:24 AM
That is not an even trade... these things are not debatable

Clearly we all know Matts "real" vote but since this benefits him.....


as long as nobody is cheating, thats the only thing i careabout. I will always let a top team take the pointy side of the sword, i got no problem with it.

And ur complaining about Moorehead getting better but yet u stacked ur team up to high hell last year ripping people off and u still didn't win. Theres no payout for first place so its not that big of a deal.

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:24 AM
then thats on you, the rules were instilled last year. Debatable trades get voted on end of story


Whatev's I don't particularly think this trade is even debateable, it's too early in the season for Shocks to have already given up on his team, I think it's plain as day that he's not cheating....apparently you guys think otherwise.

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:25 AM
well there ya go and thats exactly why we have this process in and im glad we are ablet o veto trades

honestly if that's what you think I'm just not gonna be in next year Lawl can take my place, I can't play FF with people who think they have the right to decide what the right moves are for other peoples teams...

you aren't some psychic you don't know the outcome of the season already..

many times last year trades that were voted on, and close to being veto'ed ended up completely different then everyone thought at the time.
</P>


yea. i think im out too. In my other league, even if the guys i play with are borderline psychotic, at least I know it's all done fairly. I can't handle this right now.

I will finish out the year with my ****ty team, and wont take advantage of anyone, play as if im in first, etc...
Don't expect me to vote on any future trades. </P>

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:25 AM
we dont have an official handbook, but it was made in the rules we made last year

Fantasy Football is about finding the gem noone else recognized first.

Shocky is attempting to get that Gem right now, you guys don't see it as a gem you see it as a pile of dung...SO DO I...but who are we to decide what it is...it's his choice...he think's he's making the right move...what if he's right and everyone else is wrong...you can't veto a trade based on what you think the players future production is going to be.

it'd be one thing if the trade included players on the IR for studs...cause you know with certianty that the players on IR can't come back, but to assume you know whose going to do better for the rest of the year between Wells or Brown is wrong, you don't know...you can't possibly know.


u dont pay a diamond price for a pile of dirt, until u find the diamond in there..

Gems come from draft, fa, or whatever.

Bottom lines Wells value right now is not of Ronnie Brown and nowhere near it. Hence why this is rejectable
</P>


Only according to you. Ronnie had a much morse game than Rickey vs. the Pats. And Beanie is the #1 back when healthy in Zona.</P>


You can disagree if you want, thats the fun of FF football. But you shouldn't be able to stop someone from using there own judgement to try to win.</P>

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:26 AM
MJD, Phillip and Miles Austin

for

Kenneth Darby, Nate Washington and Jabar Gaffney


What do you think about this one Daven?

I think MJD could get hurt, Miles could lose touches to Dez and Phillip could fall

while

Darby could take over for Jackson, Nate is the best WR on the Titans and Gaffney will have a career year in my eyes.

Is this fair to you cause I think it looks great to me and my "gut feeling"

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:27 AM
then thats on you, the rules were instilled last year. Debatable trades get voted on end of story


Whatev's I don't particularly think this trade is even debateable, it's too early in the season for Shocks to have already given up on his team, I think it's plain as day that he's not cheating....apparently you guys think otherwise.


a quarter of the way thru the season... Bush is ALWAYS gonna be the backup in Oakland and Wells has a shot to be the starter.. but even thats not in gold and its not happenin right away..


and now i know ur just trolling and blondie just pissed me off already with al lthe bull**** she was sayin yesterday so im done talkin to u about it. Nobody called anybody a cheater. The three that had a problem with it me (even tho i accepted it), lando, and pizz all said we didn't think they were cheating

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:28 AM
This debate is stupid.</p>


You either have the right to make moves that you think will help you win or you don't. If you don't, what fun is it?</p>


By the standards put forward by Lando and Pizz, 95% of all the trade proposals made would be rejectable.</p>


Don't forget last year when Lando vetoed the trade Daven and I had made with Jonathan Stewart and Vernon Davis. They thought I was getting shafted and it got rejected.</p>


Later that yearStewart went crazy against me and I got knocked out of the playoffs. They told me I was better off getting julius Jones instead of Stewart. They were wrong, and i paid the price. Not for my decision, but for everyone else's decision. I made the right decision, but others thought I was making a mistake.</p>


They benefitted, I got hurt.</p>

EXACTLY thanks for putting it out there in better words then I can.

that kind of example happened multiple times last year and it's ****ed up, the rest of the league does NOT get to decide what moves are right for MY team...if you think they are cheating, veto, if you think they are making a terrible move...then you can't veto...you just can't....to me it's no different then just saying you want to steal 50$ from Morehead and Shocky...might as well take it out of their wallets.

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:29 AM
then thats on you, the rules were instilled last year. Debatable trades get voted on end of story


Whatev's I don't particularly think this trade is even debateable, it's too early in the season for Shocks to have already given up on his team, I think it's plain as day that he's not cheating....apparently you guys think otherwise.


a quarter of the way thru the season... Bush is ALWAYS gonna be the backup in Oakland and Wells has a shot to be the starter.. but even thats not in gold and its not happenin right away..


and now i know ur just trolling and blondie just pissed me off already with al lthe bull**** she was sayin yesterday so im done talkin to u about it. Nobody called anybody a cheater. The three that had a problem with it me (even tho i accepted it), lando, and pizz all said we didn't think they were cheating
</P>


You forget that he also had McFadd and obviously wants a handcuff. Should we review the health record of Darren Mcfadden? You may not agree, but its his right to protect himself.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:30 AM
we dont have an official handbook, but it was made in the rules we made last year

Fantasy Football is about finding the gem noone else recognized first.

Shocky is attempting to get that Gem right now, you guys don't see it as a gem you see it as a pile of dung...SO DO I...but who are we to decide what it is...it's his choice...he think's he's making the right move...what if he's right and everyone else is wrong...you can't veto a trade based on what you think the players future production is going to be.

it'd be one thing if the trade included players on the IR for studs...cause you know with certianty that the players on IR can't come back, but to assume you know whose going to do better for the rest of the year between Wells or Brown is wrong, you don't know...you can't possibly know.


u dont pay a diamond price for a pile of dirt, until u find the diamond in there..

Gems come from draft, fa, or whatever.

Bottom lines Wells value right now is not of Ronnie Brown and nowhere near it. Hence why this is rejectable
</p>


Only according to you. Ronnie had a much morse game than Rickey vs. the Pats. And Beanie is the #1 back when healthy in Zona.</p>


You can disagree if you want, thats the fun of FF football. But you shouldn't be able to stop someone from using there own judgement to try to win.</p>

listen im being honest in all of my stuff, so should u. Thats YOUR opinion that Wells had the #1 spot wrapped up, we all remember how u coveted him last year.

But the truth of the matter is that Hightower was #1 on the depth chart befor eBeanie went down with the injury

bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:31 AM
Later that yearStewart went crazy against me and I got knocked out of the playoffs.
That sounds familiar. lol

I got 2 words for you - Chris Henry

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:32 AM
then thats on you, the rules were instilled last year. Debatable trades get voted on end of story


Whatev's I don't particularly think this trade is even debateable, it's too early in the season for Shocks to have already given up on his team, I think it's plain as day that he's not cheating....apparently you guys think otherwise.


a quarter of the way thru the season... Bush is ALWAYS gonna be the backup in Oakland and Wells has a shot to be the starter.. but even thats not in gold and its not happenin right away..


and now i know ur just trolling and blondie just pissed me off already with al lthe bull**** she was sayin yesterday so im done talkin to u about it. Nobody called anybody a cheater. The three that had a problem with it me (even tho i accepted it), lando, and pizz all said we didn't think they were cheating
</P>


Really, what was Bush's and Beanie's ratings going into this season vs, Santana and Brown.</P>


Beanie was rated in every FF board ahead of Ronnie and Bush was ahead of Moss in every board.</P>


</P>

dezzzR
10-08-2010, 10:32 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/1196360/bjtd-o.gif

lol best td celebration ever, no flag either, amazing

Wow, I can't believe you finally got it. lol
harronni has it as his sig. lmao

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:32 AM
This debate is stupid.</p>


You either have the right to make moves that you think will help you win or you don't. If you don't, what fun is it?</p>


By the standards put forward by Lando and Pizz, 95% of all the trade proposals made would be rejectable.</p>


Don't forget last year when Lando vetoed the trade Daven and I had made with Jonathan Stewart and Vernon Davis. They thought I was getting shafted and it got rejected.</p>


Later that yearStewart went crazy against me and I got knocked out of the playoffs. They told me I was better off getting julius Jones instead of Stewart. They were wrong, and i paid the price. Not for my decision, but for everyone else's decision. I made the right decision, but others thought I was making a mistake.</p>


They benefitted, I got hurt.</p>

EXACTLY thanks for putting it out there in better words then I can.

that kind of example happened multiple times last year and it's ****ed up, the rest of the league does NOT get to decide what moves are right for MY team...if you think they are cheating, veto, if you think they are making a terrible move...then you can't veto...you just can't....to me it's no different then just saying you want to steal 50$ from Morehead and Shocky...might as well take it out of their wallets.


well i dont remember that, but i didn't vote on that reject and i would of never

but bottom line ur talking a back up and a guy fighting (and not getting much chances) to win a starting job while hes recovering for a stud. Your going to hold playing the Jets vs Brown, so be it. I mean u guys can twist the BS all around but anybody with half sense knows whats up

im not rejecting it so i dunno why ur getting into it with me, but dont piss on my head and tell me its raining

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:34 AM
Later that yearStewart went crazy against me and I got knocked out of the playoffs.
That sounds familiar. lol

I got 2 words for you - Chris Henry
</P>


I made my judgement. Should i have subjected myself to a vote for my starting henry?</P>

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:34 AM
LANDO WHAT IS TAKING YOU SO LONG TO ACCEPT MY TRADE!!!!

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:35 AM
And to Pizz, my whole Tyranny rant was obviously a joke. Lets get real.

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:36 AM
MJD, Phillip and Miles Austin

for

Kenneth Darby, Nate Washington and Jabar Gaffney


What do you think about this one Daven?

I think MJD could get hurt, Miles could lose touches to Dez and Phillip could fall

while

Darby could take over for Jackson, Nate is the best WR on the Titans and Gaffney will have a career year in my eyes.

Is this fair to you cause I think it looks great to me and my "gut feeling"


Good for you, but I think you are trying to prove a point and if I saw that trade I'd think something fishy was going on, I'd think someone was CHEATING and I'd Veto it.

do you think Shockey is giving better players to Morehead to make his team better with no regards for his own team Lando? if you do veto it...I won't fault you there...but if you are vetoing it because you think it's a bad move I have a problem with that.

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:36 AM
And to Pizz, my whole Tyranny rant was obviously a joke. Lets get real.</P>


Dude, I dont know what to believe and not believe from you 99% of the time. I've seen you flip the **** out over fantasy 4 times in the past 2 seasons. I can't put anything past you at this point. sorry.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:38 AM
then thats on you, the rules were instilled last year. Debatable trades get voted on end of story


Whatev's I don't particularly think this trade is even debateable, it's too early in the season for Shocks to have already given up on his team, I think it's plain as day that he's not cheating....apparently you guys think otherwise.


a quarter of the way thru the season... Bush is ALWAYS gonna be the backup in Oakland and Wells has a shot to be the starter.. but even thats not in gold and its not happenin right away..


and now i know ur just trolling and blondie just pissed me off already with al lthe bull**** she was sayin yesterday so im done talkin to u about it. Nobody called anybody a cheater. The three that had a problem with it me (even tho i accepted it), lando, and pizz all said we didn't think they were cheating
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Really, what was Bush's and Beanie's ratings going into this season vs, Santana and Brown.</p>


Beanie was rated in every FF board ahead of Ronnie and Bush was ahead of Moss in every board.</p>


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iWells didnt win the job. Just like Shonn Green was ranked higher than LT

and to be honest, on a personal level i was staying away from both Wells AND Green in all of my draft. But either way the time for predraft **** is over. The season is a 1/4 way thru.

Ronnie Brown and Wells went 7 picks apart from each other... i'd say thats equal draft position for the both...

since then it hasn't even been up for debate.

Santana Moss went two full rounds ahead of Bush... and this is when McFadden was stil lin question and not being one ofd the top fantasty back in the loeague

Not that predraft and draft **** matters at this point, but even still it wouldn't of evened out

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:39 AM
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bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:39 AM
Just put the ****ing trade through and lets stop talking about it.




The fact that 2 people are about to quit the league and everyone is upset is enough in my mind to show how ****ed up this trade really is.



It has been voted on and done fairly. That is all I can ask for. Opinions and results are 2 different things.

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:40 AM
And to Pizz, my whole Tyranny rant was obviously a joke. Lets get real.

my question for u is why did u even debate accepting this trade?

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:40 AM
but bottom line ur talking a back up and a guy fighting (and not getting much chances) to win a starting job while hes recovering for a stud.

Bottom line is you have ****ing diarrhea coming out of you mouth today and I'm actually highly annoyed your are acting this way....

YOU think it's a back up and a guy fighting for a job vs a stud, but what you think (and what I think) doesn't ****ing matter.

JPizzack
10-08-2010, 10:43 AM
And to Pizz, my whole Tyranny rant was obviously a joke. Lets get real.

my question for u is why did u even debate accepting this trade?
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I think he just wanted to show us what he was about to run away with! lol</P>


Why has this trade not gone through yet?? haha...it's been a full day I think</P>

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:43 AM
And to Pizz, my whole Tyranny rant was obviously a joke. Lets get real.

my question for u is why did u even debate accepting this trade?
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Because i like my team. </P>


I also have never liked Hightower. he's a straight line runner with no instincts. beanie will be the #1 guy in Zona because he's a better overall runner. Shocks will end up starting him all year andthere is a decentchancethat he will outperform Ronnie Brown who has Ricky coming on now behind him.</P>


Ronnie is also very injury prone and Rickey isn't.</P>


Plus i want Bush this week in a tough match. Bush is the only healthy back right now in Oakland.</P>


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bigblue4417
10-08-2010, 10:43 AM
do you think Shockey is giving better players to Morehead to make his team better with no regards for his own team Lando?

No

It's done...

I am done. Like I said. I will NEVER reject a trade again. It can't be worse than this.

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:46 AM
but bottom line ur talking a back up and a guy fighting (and not getting much chances) to win a starting job while hes recovering for a stud.

Bottom line is you have ****ing diarrhea coming out of you mouth today and I'm actually highly annoyed your are acting this way....

YOU think it's a back up and a guy fighting for a job vs a stud, but what you think (and what I think) doesn't ****ing matter.

THATS EXACTLY WHATS HAPPENING

lol maybe u just need to be updated on ur arizona cardinals running back situation

a proven stud in ronnie brown, so theres no reason not to call him one. When healthy he is a top back

Wells DOES NOT have ths tarting job.

42 attempts to 19 attempts

they are splitting ****in carries and hightwoer is getting the majority of the snaps

its not a ****in debate. Wells is not the #1 guy but is obviously trying to be

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:48 AM
THATS EXACTLY WHATS HAPPENING


No that's what YOU think is happening, it IS a ****ing debate, that's the POINT of Fantasy Football and the fact that you don't get it is highly annoying....

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:48 AM
And to Pizz, my whole Tyranny rant was obviously a joke. Lets get real.

my question for u is why did u even debate accepting this trade?
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Because i like my team. </p>


I also have never liked Hightower. he's a straight line runner with no instincts. beanie will be the #1 guy in Zona because he's a better overall runner. Shocks will end up starting him all year andthere is a decentchancethat he will outperform Ronnie Brown who has Ricky coming on now behind him.</p>


Ronnie is also very injury prone and Rickey isn't.</p>


Plus i want Bush this week in a tough match. Bush is the only healthy back right now in Oakland.</p>


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eventually this year he probably will be, but i dont think the #1 RB in Zona is gonna be a true #1 back. Cuz even if Beanie takes ove rthe majority, Hightower will still get his...

I'll give uthe injury prone thing, but Ricky spits the ball up way too much and is not any closer behind Ronnie than he ever was. Ronnie is the man there and they run the ball so much that they can have two legit backs

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:49 AM
THATS EXACTLY WHATS HAPPENING


No that's what YOU think is happening, it IS a ****ing debate, that's the POINT of Fantasy Football and the fact that you don't get it is highly annoying....


explain to me, from the number of snaps played and touches how its NOT the case.. i would love to hear how its debatable in any form

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:49 AM
Also Wells didn't play the first two weeks and was limited the 3rd week, I know, cause I had him on my ****ing team, you don't know that, but you are making veto decisions based upon your lack of knowledge....


kodos on that MMB....

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:50 AM
THATS EXACTLY WHATS HAPPENING


No that's what YOU think is happening, it IS a ****ing debate, that's the POINT of Fantasy Football and the fact that you don't get it is highly annoying....


explain to me, from the number of snaps played and touches how its NOT the case.. i would love to hear how its debatable in any form


IT DOESN'T ****ING MATTER whether YOU think it's debatable or not Matt, it's not you're decision, it's Shocks move, and while you have every right to disagree with it, you have no right to prevent him from making it...if you do have the right as per this leagues rules...then I'm out next year...period....you don't get to decide if another owner is making the right decision or not, that's no Fantasy Football.

everyone KILLED the Texans for Mario Williams over Bush...how'd that turn out, you don't ****ing know everything stop acting like you do.

dezzzR
10-08-2010, 10:51 AM
come one guys. theres no need to bicker. lets just list the rules and go over them and change them if need be. theres no need for this

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:52 AM
do you think Shockey is giving better players to Morehead to make his team better with no regards for his own team Lando?

No

It's done...

I am done. Like I said. I will NEVER reject a trade again. It can't be worse than this.


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Lando, I hope you know what a high opinion I have of you. Its really high. </P>


But you started this. It was a trade made by two players who are trying to help their teams. You can think its lopsided one way or the other, but you have no grounds to veto a trade like this.</P>


We can't make deals and hope the rest of the league thinks its even. By definition, we think it favors us or we wouldn't make it.</P>


This league just can't be as much fun if we had to think about such things when we run our teams.</P>

bandwgn86
10-08-2010, 10:53 AM
holy crap folks! you all keep typing the same exact things is over and over

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:54 AM
whatever the trade was voted thru in a fair fashion it should go in but all of this is moot

because im waiting for blondie to get on here so i can give her a piece of my mind...

how she handled everything yesterday was ridiculous and she somehow feels like the victim of it all when shes the one that came out insulting people is beyond me... if shes gonna do this every ****in time theres a problem then, i'd rather her not be the commish

but I also want the job description of the commish laid out today, cuz no more ****i nconfusion about it all. These rules were made last year when we went thru it all last year and now its like al lthat arguing and im not doin it again next year

Morehead State
10-08-2010, 10:55 AM
And to Pizz, my whole Tyranny rant was obviously a joke. Lets get real.

my question for u is why did u even debate accepting this trade?
</P>


Because i like my team. </P>


I also have never liked Hightower. he's a straight line runner with no instincts. beanie will be the #1 guy in Zona because he's a better overall runner. Shocks will end up starting him all year andthere is a decentchancethat he will outperform Ronnie Brown who has Ricky coming on now behind him.</P>


Ronnie is also very injury prone and Rickey isn't.</P>


Plus i want Bush this week in a tough match. Bush is the only healthy back right now in Oakland.</P>


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eventually this year he probably will be, but i dont think the #1 RB in Zona is gonna be a true #1 back. Cuz even if Beanie takes ove rthe majority, Hightower will still get his...

I'll give uthe injury prone thing, but Ricky spits the ball up way too much and is not any closer behind Ronnie than he ever was. Ronnie is the man there and they run the ball so much that they can have two legit backs
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They also now have Brandon Marshall and he was always going to take carries away from both of them.</P>


Please look at the FF #'s so far. Ronnie is averaging a little over 8 points per game.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:55 AM
do you think Shockey is giving better players to Morehead to make his team better with no regards for his own team Lando?

No

It's done...

I am done. Like I said. I will NEVER reject a trade again. It can't be worse than this.


</p>


Lando, I hope you know what a high opinion I have of you. Its really high. </p>


But you started this. It was a trade made by two players who are trying to help their teams. You can think its lopsided one way or the other, but you have no grounds to veto a trade like this.</p>


We can't make deals and hope the rest of the league thinks its even. By definition, we think it favors us or we wouldn't make it.</p>


This league just can't be as much fun if we had to think about such things when we run our teams.</p>

na i'll admit to the fact that i actually did.

I said something to the effects of this may be the most rejectable trade we've had all year. I vote accept, but i think it should def go to vote.. i said that before lando even came on the boards

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:56 AM
THATS EXACTLY WHATS HAPPENING


No that's what YOU think is happening, it IS a ****ing debate, that's the POINT of Fantasy Football and the fact that you don't get it is highly annoying....


explain to me, from the number of snaps played and touches how its NOT the case.. i would love to hear how its debatable in any form


IT DOESN'T ****ING MATTER whether YOU think it's debatable or not Matt, it's not you're decision, it's Shocks move, and while you have every right to disagree with it, you have no right to prevent him from making it...if you do have the right as per this leagues rules...then I'm out next year...period....you don't get to decide if another owner is making the right decision or not, that's no Fantasy Football.

everyone KILLED the Texans for Mario Williams over Bush...how'd that turn out, you don't ****ing know everything stop acting like you do.


no its not debable. .at this current moment Wells is not the #1...

sorry to inform u its not subjective

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:56 AM
whatever the trade was voted thru in a fair fashion it should go in but all of this is moot

because im waiting for blondie to get on here so i can give her a piece of my mind...

how she handled everything yesterday was ridiculous and she somehow feels like the victim of it all when shes the one that came out insulting people is beyond me... if shes gonna do this every ****in time theres a problem then, i'd rather her not be the commish

but I also want the job description of the commish laid out today, cuz no more ****i nconfusion about it all. These rules were made last year when we went thru it all last year and now its like al lthat arguing and im not doin it again next year


well on that topic I agree with most of what you said, The Commish runs the leagues pushes the buttons collects the money.

In a situation like this though, on a trade, or whenever there is a vote, the commish is really just another owner.

MattMeyerBud
10-08-2010, 10:56 AM
Also Wells didn't play the first two weeks and was limited the 3rd week, I know, cause I had him on my ****ing team, you don't know that, but you are making veto decisions based upon your lack of knowledge....


kodos on that MMB....


he wasn't limited third week

and im very well aware of that if u would of read earlier when iwas talkin to pappy about his injury. He had surgery too i knew, but i said before he went down for the surgery, Hightower was higher than him on the depth chart....

bet u didn't know that when u drafted him, hence why i didn't touch him with a ten foot pole in any of my leagues

DavenIII
10-08-2010, 10:59 AM
no its not debable. .at this current moment Wells is not the #1...

sorry to inform u its not subjective


I don't really give a **** whether you think it's debatable or not MMB....but just so you know, we are ****ing debating it right now so I think the fact that you are wrong on this is pretty ****ing clear...

you are being a stubborn ***, I know I do it sometimes to, but I'm not really gonna give a **** about it just FYI because the Osi you are spewing is patently ridiculous.