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MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 03:19 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</p>


Maybe #10. At best.</p>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</p>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</p>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</p>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</p>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</p>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</p>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</p>


Eli = 25</p>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was unacceptable.</p>




your strengeth of schedule was a brutal point...

ELi had 25 and how many were off of WRs hands and how many were due to wrong routes being run by young receivers

understand the offense and what its asking our QBs and WRs to do...

Then couple in the loss of WRs and having guys in the street come out and play

but besides all of that, if u think qouting Eli taking the blame some how reaffirms your point then not only do u apparently know less about our offense than i thought but Eli in general
</p>


What I think is that 25 picks sucks. Every QB has guys deflect balls that get picked. Ryan threw 9 picks. Freeman threw 6. Its not like its close. Even if I give you the point (which I don't) that 7 or 8 balls deflected and were not on Eli, thats still 3 times as many picks as Freeman and twice as many as Ryan.</p>


Turnovers kill a teams chances of winning. Protecting the ball is one of the most important thing a QB <u>must do</u>.</p>


<font size="4">Eli failed.</font></p>


Lets hope he refocuses his efforts this season and places a higher priority on ball protection. He was reckless with it last year.</p>




i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed
</p>


Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?</p>


</p>

oh, how lovely that u would even bring that up

90 - Moon 13 INTs
91 - Moon 21 INTs
92 - Moon 12 INTs
93 - Moon 21 INTs
95 - Brunell/Beaurline 14 INTs
96- Brunell 20 INTs

http://www.desithreads.com/images/women_thank_you_come_again_det.jpg

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 03:20 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</p>


Maybe #10. At best.</p>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</p>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</p>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</p>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</p>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</p>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</p>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</p>


Eli = 25</p>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was <font color="#0000ff">unacceptable</font>.</p>


sure it is but areyou judging him on one stat one year? I like Davens list but I would put rogers at 2the guy can make something out of nothing</p>


I'm not judging him on that by itself. I saw the old Eli last season. I saw a reckless Eli. I saw a guy who threw the ball up for grabs when he was under pressure.</p>


Its not just the stats. Its the lack of judgement. Its the bad decision making.</p>


<font size="4">Throw the friggin ball away once in a while for God's sake.</font></p>




that taking the sack thing isn't what playmakers do

and u laugh when I say hes a gunslinger

more farvish than anyone in the league. Hes a ballsy guy

i wish we can throw u away every once in a while
</p>


You are confusing "gunslinger" with "stupid".</p>


"Ballsy" is standing in the pocket and taking the hit to wait for a guy to break open. "Ballsy" is taking the sack in order to prevent a turnover.</p>


"Ballsy" is not chucking it into coverage and ducking out of the way in the face of pressure.</p>

sure i am -- just like u are confusing Moons And Brunells performances under Gilbride as the OC

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 03:21 PM
I have to go and mow my lawn.</p>


All you "its never Eli's fault" types think hard about what you've done.</p>

i'd run and hide after u gave me ammo with Warrne Moon and Mark Brunell as well

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 03:24 PM
destroying these eli sucks points are too easy

they really have run out of arguments that make sense

Warren Moon and Brunell both threw for 20+ ints under Gilbride LMAO

dezzzR
08-17-2011, 03:24 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</p>


Maybe #10. At best.</p>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</p>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</p>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</p>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</p>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</p>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</p>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</p>


Eli = 25</p>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was <font color="#0000ff">unacceptable</font>.</p>


sure it is but areyou judging him on one stat one year? I like Davens list but I would put rogers at 2the guy can make something out of nothing</p>


I'm not judging him on that by itself. I saw the old Eli last season. I saw a reckless Eli. I saw a guy who threw the ball up for grabs when he was under pressure.</p>


Its not just the stats. Its the lack of judgement. Its the bad decision making.</p>


<font size="4">Throw the friggin ball away once in a while for God's sake.</font></p>




that taking the sack thing isn't what playmakers do

and u laugh when I say hes a gunslinger

more farvish than anyone in the league. Hes a ballsy guy

i wish we can throw u away every once in a while
</p>


<u>You are confusing "gunslinger" with "stupid".</u></p>


"Ballsy" is standing in the pocket and taking the hit to wait for a guy to break open. "Ballsy" is taking the sack in order to prevent a turnover.</p>


<u>"Ballsy" is not chucking it into coverage and ducking out of the way in the face of pressure.</u></p>lol youre so damn negative today. ITS UNBECOMING OF YOU!!
i disagree. it does take a sack to try and thread the needle in tight coverage. its not "stupid", if he completes it, hes a hero. if he doesnt hes on goes on mhs **** list.

and smart is to always throw the ball away if nothings there, which he does for the most part.

byron
08-17-2011, 03:25 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</P>


Maybe #10. At best.</P>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</P>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</P>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</P>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</P>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</P>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</P>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</P>


Eli = 25</P>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was <FONT color=#0000ff>unacceptable</FONT>.</P>


sure it is but areyou judging him on one stat one year? I like Davens list but I would put rogers at 2the guy can make something out of nothing</P>


I'm not judging him on that by itself. I saw the old Eli last season. I saw a reckless Eli. I saw a guy who threw the ball up for grabs when he was under pressure.</P>


Its not just the stats. Its the lack of judgement. Its the bad decision making.</P>


<FONT size=4>Throw the friggin ball away once in a while for God's sake.</FONT></P> Sure and maybe he will in the future I would hope he learned something from last year the whole team for that matter...I'm letting last year go in hopes of a better year this year...Seems to me part of Eli's problem with fans, is his demeanor/personality hence thename calling and what not of him.those people will never like Eli... imo

dezzzR
08-17-2011, 03:26 PM
I have to go and mow my lawn.</p>


All you "its never Eli's fault" types think hard about what you've done.</p>is that why youre so angry today? mrs mh making you do your chores?

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 03:26 PM
its true B

they say hes so lax and not fired up

then he finally says something full of confidence and he can get no credit for it...

hes always in a lose/lose situation

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 03:27 PM
I have to go and mow my lawn.</p>


All you "its never Eli's fault" types think hard about what you've done.</p>is that why youre so angry today? mrs mh making you do your chores?


LMAO

byron
08-17-2011, 03:30 PM
I have to go and mow my lawn.</P>


All you "its never Eli's fault" types think hard about what you've done.</P>is that why youre so angry today? mrs mh making you do your chores?
Hahahaha

dezzzR
08-17-2011, 03:31 PM
i saw "your highness" last night. its such a stoner movie its great.

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 03:32 PM
He had only 19.4 percent of his potential interceptions turn into
actual interceptions. That total was tied for the lowest interception
luck factor rate in the league and indicates he was a huge beneficiary
of fortunate bounces.</p>


Lowest interception luck factor last season

Player Team Int Int + Nrint Interception luck factor

Michael Vick Philadelphia Eagles 6 31 19.4%

Josh Freeman Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6 31 19.4%

Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers 5 22 22.7%

Tom Brady New England Patriots 4 16 25.0%

Kyle Orton Denver Broncos 9 35 25.7%</p>


The interception column shows how often each quarterback was picked
off last year. The int + nrint column shows the total number of
interceptions and near interceptions (passes that could have been picked
off but were dropped, tipped away, etc.). The interception luck factor
column shows the percentage of potential interception chances that
actually turned into interceptions.</p>


Eli Manning wasnít anywhere near as bad as his 2010 numbers suggest</p>


Manning had<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">52.1</font></font> percent of his potential interceptions turn into
interceptions, a total that was the fourth-highest in the league and was
a prime reason Manning threw a league-high 25 interceptions. If
Manningís luck gets better (and it really couldnít get much worse than
last year) and Vickís luck gets worse (and it couldnít have been much
better), it could mean as much as a 10-15 interception swing between
these two in 2011.</p>

byron
08-17-2011, 03:36 PM
its true B

they say hes so lax and not fired up

then he finally says something full of confidence and he can get no credit for it...

hes always in a lose/lose situation


It will always going tobe that too.... he'll keep chugging alone piling upthe numbers surpassing all Giant qbs of the past...

ny06
08-17-2011, 03:39 PM
It's a sure guarantee whenever there is a thread on Eli, the discussions will get heated. </P>


I feel no matter what he does for the Giants he will always have his naysayers. </P>

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 03:39 PM
i cannot wait to see PAppys response to Moon and Brunells numbers

i

lttaylor56
08-17-2011, 03:58 PM
It's a sure guarantee whenever there is a thread on Eli, the discussions will get heated. </p>


I feel no matter what he does for the Giants he will always have his naysayers. </p>True, it cannot be avoided. I don't completely disagree with MH, Eli did fail last season. Every interception was not squarely on his shoulders, but in the end, they were still interceptions.

DavenIII
08-17-2011, 04:13 PM
He had only 19.4 percent of his potential interceptions turn into
actual interceptions. That total was tied for the lowest interception
luck factor rate in the league and indicates he was a huge beneficiary
of fortunate bounces.</p>


Lowest interception luck factor last season

Player Team Int Int + Nrint Interception luck factor

Michael Vick Philadelphia Eagles 6 31 19.4%

Josh Freeman Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6 31 19.4%

Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers 5 22 22.7%

Tom Brady New England Patriots 4 16 25.0%

Kyle Orton Denver Broncos 9 35 25.7%</p>


The interception column shows how often each quarterback was picked
off last year. The int + nrint column shows the total number of
interceptions and near interceptions (passes that could have been picked
off but were dropped, tipped away, etc.). The interception luck factor
column shows the percentage of potential interception chances that
actually turned into interceptions.</p>


Eli Manning wasnít anywhere near as bad as his 2010 numbers suggest</p>


Manning had<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">52.1</font></font> percent of his potential interceptions turn into
interceptions, a total that was the fourth-highest in the league and was
a prime reason Manning threw a league-high 25 interceptions. If
Manningís luck gets better (and it really couldnít get much worse than
last year) and Vickís luck gets worse (and it couldnít have been much
better), it could mean as much as a 10-15 interception swing between
these two in 2011.</p>

Nice statistics Landon, where'd you get them, I mean we all knew this was the case..we saw it, but to have stats to back it up is nice.

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:15 PM
I have to go and mow my lawn.</p>


All you "its never Eli's fault" types think hard about what you've done.</p>is that why youre so angry today? mrs mh making you do your chores?
Hahahaha
I think he earned a Z back for that one...

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:15 PM
i cannot wait to see PAppys response to Moon and Brunells numbers



LMAO!!!!

You roasted him on that one. What can he say? lol

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:17 PM
i cannot wait to see PAppys response to Moon and Brunells numbers



LMAO!!!!

You roasted him on that one. What can he say? lol


im sure he'll have something to say knowing pappy the way i do

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:18 PM
Zach Berman said that Kevin Boss's agent had agreed to terms with the GIants as he was on a plane back to NY - thats when they got the Oakland offer and went there

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:21 PM
Tom Rock: Gilbride's had enuff of BEcku. "Just stay out," he tells the TE


lol

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:28 PM
He had only 19.4 percent of his potential interceptions turn into
actual interceptions. That total was tied for the lowest interception
luck factor rate in the league and indicates he was a huge beneficiary
of fortunate bounces.</p>


Lowest interception luck factor last season

Player Team Int Int + Nrint Interception luck factor

Michael Vick Philadelphia Eagles 6 31 19.4%

Josh Freeman Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6 31 19.4%

Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers 5 22 22.7%

Tom Brady New England Patriots 4 16 25.0%

Kyle Orton Denver Broncos 9 35 25.7%</p>


The interception column shows how often each quarterback was picked
off last year. The int + nrint column shows the total number of
interceptions and near interceptions (passes that could have been picked
off but were dropped, tipped away, etc.). The interception luck factor
column shows the percentage of potential interception chances that
actually turned into interceptions.</p>


Eli Manning wasnít anywhere near as bad as his 2010 numbers suggest</p>


Manning had<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">52.1</font></font> percent of his potential interceptions turn into
interceptions, a total that was the fourth-highest in the league and was
a prime reason Manning threw a league-high 25 interceptions. If
Manningís luck gets better (and it really couldnít get much worse than
last year) and Vickís luck gets worse (and it couldnít have been much
better), it could mean as much as a 10-15 interception swing between
these two in 2011.</p>

Nice statistics Landon, where'd you get them, I mean we all knew this was the case..we saw it, but to have stats to back it up is nice.


It is from the ESPN Insider article about the Giants from yesterday. I posted the entire thing. It has to be less than 10 pages back...

Morehead State
08-17-2011, 04:32 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</P>


Maybe #10. At best.</P>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</P>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</P>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</P>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</P>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</P>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</P>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</P>


Eli = 25</P>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was unacceptable.</P>




your strengeth of schedule was a brutal point...

ELi had 25 and how many were off of WRs hands and how many were due to wrong routes being run by young receivers

understand the offense and what its asking our QBs and WRs to do...

Then couple in the loss of WRs and having guys in the street come out and play

but besides all of that, if u think qouting Eli taking the blame some how reaffirms your point then not only do u apparently know less about our offense than i thought but Eli in general
</P>


What I think is that 25 picks sucks. Every QB has guys deflect balls that get picked. Ryan threw 9 picks. Freeman threw 6. Its not like its close. Even if I give you the point (which I don't) that 7 or 8 balls deflected and were not on Eli, thats still 3 times as many picks as Freeman and twice as many as Ryan.</P>


Turnovers kill a teams chances of winning. Protecting the ball is one of the most important thing a QB <U>must do</U>.</P>


<FONT size=4>Eli failed.</FONT></P>


Lets hope he refocuses his efforts this season and places a higher priority on ball protection. He was reckless with it last year.</P>




i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed
</P>


Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?</P>


</P>




oh, how lovely that u would even bring that up

90 - Moon 13 INTs
91 - Moon 21 INTs
92 - Moon 12 INTs
93 - Moon 21 INTs
95 - Brunell/Beaurline 14 INTs
96- Brunell 20 INTs

http://www.desithreads.com/images/women_thank_you_come_again_det.jpg
</P>


So the answer would be <FONT size=6>NO</FONT>.</P>


Don't forget to tip your waitresses before you leave.</P>

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:32 PM
Zach Berman said that Kevin Boss's agent had agreed to terms with the GIants as he was on a plane back to NY - thats when they got the Oakland offer and went there

HOLY ****?! What ever happened to being a man of your word...

If this is true of course

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:33 PM
Tom Rock: Gilbride's had enuff of BEcku. "Just stay out," he tells the TE


lol

I don't know how it's possible to have any faith in him. We have seen nothing.

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:34 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</p>


Maybe #10. At best.</p>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</p>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</p>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</p>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</p>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</p>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</p>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</p>


Eli = 25</p>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was unacceptable.</p>




your strengeth of schedule was a brutal point...

ELi had 25 and how many were off of WRs hands and how many were due to wrong routes being run by young receivers

understand the offense and what its asking our QBs and WRs to do...

Then couple in the loss of WRs and having guys in the street come out and play

but besides all of that, if u think qouting Eli taking the blame some how reaffirms your point then not only do u apparently know less about our offense than i thought but Eli in general
</p>


What I think is that 25 picks sucks. Every QB has guys deflect balls that get picked. Ryan threw 9 picks. Freeman threw 6. Its not like its close. Even if I give you the point (which I don't) that 7 or 8 balls deflected and were not on Eli, thats still 3 times as many picks as Freeman and twice as many as Ryan.</p>


Turnovers kill a teams chances of winning. Protecting the ball is one of the most important thing a QB <u>must do</u>.</p>


<font size="4">Eli failed.</font></p>


Lets hope he refocuses his efforts this season and places a higher priority on ball protection. He was reckless with it last year.</p>




i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed
</p>


Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?</p>


</p>




oh, how lovely that u would even bring that up

90 - Moon 13 INTs
91 - Moon 21 INTs
92 - Moon 12 INTs
93 - Moon 21 INTs
95 - Brunell/Beaurline 14 INTs
96- Brunell 20 INTs

http://www.desithreads.com/images/women_thank_you_come_again_det.jpg
</p>


So the answer would be <font size="6">NO</font>.</p>


Don't forget to tip your waitresses before you leave.</p>

ohhh pappy - dont be bitter

we all know you've lost..

be a man and admit that Gilbrides offense ususally causes high interceptions because of the style it is naturally so we can all move on from this point

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:34 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</p>


Maybe #10. At best.</p>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</p>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</p>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</p>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</p>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</p>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</p>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</p>


Eli = 25</p>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was unacceptable.</p>




your strengeth of schedule was a brutal point...

ELi had 25 and how many were off of WRs hands and how many were due to wrong routes being run by young receivers

understand the offense and what its asking our QBs and WRs to do...

Then couple in the loss of WRs and having guys in the street come out and play

but besides all of that, if u think qouting Eli taking the blame some how reaffirms your point then not only do u apparently know less about our offense than i thought but Eli in general
</p>


What I think is that 25 picks sucks. Every QB has guys deflect balls that get picked. Ryan threw 9 picks. Freeman threw 6. Its not like its close. Even if I give you the point (which I don't) that 7 or 8 balls deflected and were not on Eli, thats still 3 times as many picks as Freeman and twice as many as Ryan.</p>


Turnovers kill a teams chances of winning. Protecting the ball is one of the most important thing a QB <u>must do</u>.</p>


<font size="4">Eli failed.</font></p>


Lets hope he refocuses his efforts this season and places a higher priority on ball protection. He was reckless with it last year.</p>




i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed
</p>


Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?</p>


</p>




oh, how lovely that u would even bring that up

90 - Moon 13 INTs
91 - Moon 21 INTs
92 - Moon 12 INTs
93 - Moon 21 INTs
95 - Brunell/Beaurline 14 INTs
96- Brunell 20 INTs

http://www.desithreads.com/images/women_thank_you_come_again_det.jpg
</p>


So the answer would be <font size="6">NO</font>.</p>


Don't forget to tip your waitresses before you leave.</p>
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were right Matt. He owned you

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:35 PM
Zach Berman said that Kevin Boss's agent had agreed to terms with the GIants as he was on a plane back to NY - thats when they got the Oakland offer and went there

HOLY ****?! What ever happened to being a man of your word...

If this is true of course


I aint killin him for that

he got PAAAAAID

god bless him. That was a legit FA loss

Smith on the other hand had more of a bitter signing to it...

Boss did what was best.... Smith was a little ***** about it

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:37 PM
Zach Berman said that Kevin Boss's agent had agreed to terms with the GIants as he was on a plane back to NY - thats when they got the Oakland offer and went there

HOLY ****?! What ever happened to being a man of your word...

If this is true of course


I aint killin him for that

he got PAAAAAID

god bless him. That was a legit FA loss

Smith on the other hand had more of a bitter signing to it...

Boss did what was best.... Smith was a little ***** about it

Don't get me wrong. I am glad he got paaaaaaaaaid to. I love the guy man. Plus his career won't be that long probably so it's great for him. I'm just sayin....he agreed to play here and then backed out. If that is true again but Smith do that. You can't give Boss a pass and kill Smith. Smith's agent told the Giants he had a 1 year offer on the table. Whether he said they would give the Giants a chance to match or not is also speculation.

Morehead State
08-17-2011, 04:40 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</P>


Maybe #10. At best.</P>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</P>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</P>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</P>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</P>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</P>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</P>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</P>


Eli = 25</P>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was unacceptable.</P>




your strengeth of schedule was a brutal point...

ELi had 25 and how many were off of WRs hands and how many were due to wrong routes being run by young receivers

understand the offense and what its asking our QBs and WRs to do...

Then couple in the loss of WRs and having guys in the street come out and play

but besides all of that, if u think qouting Eli taking the blame some how reaffirms your point then not only do u apparently know less about our offense than i thought but Eli in general
</P>


What I think is that 25 picks sucks. Every QB has guys deflect balls that get picked. Ryan threw 9 picks. Freeman threw 6. Its not like its close. Even if I give you the point (which I don't) that 7 or 8 balls deflected and were not on Eli, thats still 3 times as many picks as Freeman and twice as many as Ryan.</P>


Turnovers kill a teams chances of winning. Protecting the ball is one of the most important thing a QB <U>must do</U>.</P>


<FONT size=4>Eli failed.</FONT></P>


Lets hope he refocuses his efforts this season and places a higher priority on ball protection. He was reckless with it last year.</P>




i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed
</P>


Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?</P>


</P>




oh, how lovely that u would even bring that up

90 - Moon 13 INTs
91 - Moon 21 INTs
92 - Moon 12 INTs
93 - Moon 21 INTs
95 - Brunell/Beaurline 14 INTs
96- Brunell 20 INTs

http://www.desithreads.com/images/women_thank_you_come_again_det.jpg
</P>


So the answer would be <FONT size=6>NO</FONT>.</P>


Don't forget to tip your waitresses before you leave.</P>




ohhh pappy - dont be bitter

we all know you've lost..

be a man and admit that Gilbrides offense ususally causes high interceptions because of the style it is naturally so we can all move on from this point
</P>


I'm not sure about that Jersey edumacation. But in Mass., 21 is less than 25.</P>


So again....Did Brunell or Moon ever throw 25 picks under KG?</P>


<FONT size=6>YES NO</FONT></P>


<FONT size=4>Circle one. Please use a #2 pencil.</FONT></P>

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:42 PM
I love this guy....Let's get him in here Matt. lol I really don't think that happens however





Terrell Owens (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/718/terrell-owens)
is continuing to rehab his torn ACL, and he says heís getting close
enough to completely healthy that he expects to be on an NFL field by
Week 2 or Week 3 of the regular season.</p>


ďTalking with the doctors, going through my personal training in L.A.
and in Pensacola, they stressed that Iím way ahead of schedule,Ē Owens
told ESPN.com. </p>It seems unlikely that any team would sign Owens
before Week 1, since his salary would be fully guaranteed if heís on a
Week 1 roster. But once Week 2 rolls around, heíd be a good option for a
team in need of a wide receiver óďThis is another challenge for me,Ē
Owens said. ďAnother opportunity to show people that age is nothing but a
number. You can do anything you put your mind and body to.Ē

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:43 PM
Zach Berman said that Kevin Boss's agent had agreed to terms with the GIants as he was on a plane back to NY - thats when they got the Oakland offer and went there

HOLY ****?! What ever happened to being a man of your word...

If this is true of course


I aint killin him for that

he got PAAAAAID

god bless him. That was a legit FA loss

Smith on the other hand had more of a bitter signing to it...

Boss did what was best.... Smith was a little ***** about it

Don't get me wrong. I am glad he got paaaaaaaaaid to. I love the guy man. Plus his career won't be that long probably so it's great for him. I'm just sayin....he agreed to play here and then backed out. If that is true again but Smith do that. You can't give Boss a pass and kill Smith. Smith's agent told the Giants he had a 1 year offer on the table. Whether he said they would give the Giants a chance to match or not is also speculation.


Giants had an offer and he didn't even come back and give them a chance to match, went to rivals, THEN tried to deny he got a big offer from the Gianst the year before, then claimed the Giants didn't want him

Smith came out looking BAAAAAD

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:45 PM
What a great sentence....


Put simply, thereís a chance that another guy in the New York market with a knack for talking big may have rubbed off on Eli.

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:47 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</p>


Maybe #10. At best.</p>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</p>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</p>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</p>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</p>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</p>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</p>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</p>


Eli = 25</p>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was unacceptable.</p>




your strengeth of schedule was a brutal point...

ELi had 25 and how many were off of WRs hands and how many were due to wrong routes being run by young receivers

understand the offense and what its asking our QBs and WRs to do...

Then couple in the loss of WRs and having guys in the street come out and play

but besides all of that, if u think qouting Eli taking the blame some how reaffirms your point then not only do u apparently know less about our offense than i thought but Eli in general
</p>


What I think is that 25 picks sucks. Every QB has guys deflect balls that get picked. Ryan threw 9 picks. Freeman threw 6. Its not like its close. Even if I give you the point (which I don't) that 7 or 8 balls deflected and were not on Eli, thats still 3 times as many picks as Freeman and twice as many as Ryan.</p>


Turnovers kill a teams chances of winning. Protecting the ball is one of the most important thing a QB <u>must do</u>.</p>


<font size="4">Eli failed.</font></p>


Lets hope he refocuses his efforts this season and places a higher priority on ball protection. He was reckless with it last year.</p>




i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed
</p>


Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?</p>


</p>




oh, how lovely that u would even bring that up

90 - Moon 13 INTs
91 - Moon 21 INTs
92 - Moon 12 INTs
93 - Moon 21 INTs
95 - Brunell/Beaurline 14 INTs
96- Brunell 20 INTs

http://www.desithreads.com/images/women_thank_you_come_again_det.jpg
</p>


So the answer would be <font size="6">NO</font>.</p>


Don't forget to tip your waitresses before you leave.</p>




ohhh pappy - dont be bitter

we all know you've lost..

be a man and admit that Gilbrides offense ususally causes high interceptions because of the style it is naturally so we can all move on from this point
</p>


I'm not sure about that Jersey edumacation. But in Mass., 21 is less than 25.</p>


So again....Did Brunell or Moon ever throw 25 picks under KG?</p>


<font size="6">YES NO</font></p>


<font size="4">Circle one. Please use a #2 pencil.</font></p>

The further you try to drag this to make it seem like 25 INT is the borderline of u judging whether or not Gilbride's offense typically has high a interception rate makes you look bad and its unbecoming

All this talk of manning up that you've said to people here, you can't just eat your crow and admit your point was defeated

Its sad to see you grasp at straws, your better than that

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:48 PM
Zach Berman said that Kevin Boss's agent had agreed to terms with the GIants as he was on a plane back to NY - thats when they got the Oakland offer and went there

HOLY ****?! What ever happened to being a man of your word...

If this is true of course


I aint killin him for that

he got PAAAAAID

god bless him. That was a legit FA loss

Smith on the other hand had more of a bitter signing to it...

Boss did what was best.... Smith was a little ***** about it

Don't get me wrong. I am glad he got paaaaaaaaaid to. I love the guy man. Plus his career won't be that long probably so it's great for him. I'm just sayin....he agreed to play here and then backed out. If that is true again but Smith do that. You can't give Boss a pass and kill Smith. Smith's agent told the Giants he had a 1 year offer on the table. Whether he said they would give the Giants a chance to match or not is also speculation.


Giants had an offer and he didn't even come back and give them a chance to match, went to rivals, THEN tried to deny he got a big offer from the Gianst the year before, then claimed the Giants didn't want him

Smith came out looking BAAAAAD



Yeah, I forgot about the whole denying the contract thing. PLUS said how he doesn't like the Giants know and blah blah blah. **** him man.

I guess my only point was it bugs me that he said he would come back and didn't. Then again when you got a 2-3 mill a year deal ( I am guessing ) compared to a 4 year 16 mil deal it's not that hard to turn the plane around. lol

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:48 PM
What a great sentence....


Put simply, thereís a chance that another guy in the New York market with a knack for talking big may have rubbed off on Eli.

lol really?

I think thats a complete bull**** line

Rex Ryan just babbles his horse**** out of no where. Eli was asked specifically if he thinks hes on Tom Bradys level

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:54 PM
What a great sentence....


Put simply, thereís a chance that another guy in the New York market with a knack for talking big may have<font color="#0000FF"> rubbed off on Eli</font>.

lol really?

I think thats a complete bull**** line

Rex Ryan just babbles his horse**** out of no where. Eli was asked specifically if he thinks hes on Tom Bradys level

I guess I needed to put that in red. lol

It's complete horse ****. I was more or less speaking of this part.

dezzzR
08-17-2011, 04:54 PM
I can't even believe Eli said he blocked good

I can't believe he said he belonged with Tom Brady and the other elite QB's.


WTF was he suppose to say? NO?!

Either way he is in that class regardless. Eli is a top 7 QB in the league, probably #7 but hes def up there.
</p>


Maybe #10. At best.</p>




stop it

Rodgers - Breez - Brady - Peyton - Vick def

Eli - Rivers - Ben

nobody else even in the conversation

i'll give u 8 at worst
</p>


Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Vick, Ben, Ryan are all better QB's right now than Eli.</p>


Right now I think Freeman is about to pass Eli like he's standing still.</p>


Stop being so "Matt-like".</p>




GTFO of here with that MAtt Ryan ****. He may be one of the most over hyped QBs of all time. Quite frankly im sick of hearing baout him

Freeman has ONE good year vs 4k and 30tds

ur on crack
</p>


Take the three QB's you say Eli is better than (Ben, Ryan and Freeman) add up all their picks last year and they add up to 5 less than Eli threw by himself.</p>


9 + 6 + 5= 20</p>


Eli = 25</p>


Lets not revisit that again Matt. Even Eli suggested it was unacceptable.</p>




your strengeth of schedule was a brutal point...

ELi had 25 and how many were off of WRs hands and how many were due to wrong routes being run by young receivers

understand the offense and what its asking our QBs and WRs to do...

Then couple in the loss of WRs and having guys in the street come out and play

but besides all of that, if u think qouting Eli taking the blame some how reaffirms your point then not only do u apparently know less about our offense than i thought but Eli in general
</p>


What I think is that 25 picks sucks. Every QB has guys deflect balls that get picked. Ryan threw 9 picks. Freeman threw 6. Its not like its close. Even if I give you the point (which I don't) that 7 or 8 balls deflected and were not on Eli, thats still 3 times as many picks as Freeman and twice as many as Ryan.</p>


Turnovers kill a teams chances of winning. Protecting the ball is one of the most important thing a QB <u>must do</u>.</p>


<font size="4">Eli failed.</font></p>


Lets hope he refocuses his efforts this season and places a higher priority on ball protection. He was reckless with it last year.</p>




i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed
</p>


Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?</p>


</p>




oh, how lovely that u would even bring that up

90 - Moon 13 INTs
91 - Moon 21 INTs
92 - Moon 12 INTs
93 - Moon 21 INTs
95 - Brunell/Beaurline 14 INTs
96- Brunell 20 INTs

http://www.desithreads.com/images/women_thank_you_come_again_det.jpg
</p>


So the answer would be <font size="6">NO</font>.</p>


Don't forget to tip your waitresses before you leave.</p>




ohhh pappy - dont be bitter

we all know you've lost..

be a man and admit that Gilbrides offense ususally causes high interceptions because of the style it is naturally so we can all move on from this point
</p>


I'm not sure about that Jersey edumacation. But in Mass., 21 is less than 25.</p>


So again....Did Brunell or Moon ever throw 25 picks under KG?</p>


<font size="6">YES NO</font></p>


<font size="4">Circle one. Please use a #2 pencil.</font></p>lol
youre still stretching. you cant say that at LEAST 4 of elis ints literally bounce in and out of wrs hands/chest.
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/eli-interceptions.jpg"why doesnt mh like me???"

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 04:56 PM
pshhh - and pappy is suppose to be a guy we all look up too

a MAN can admit when hes wrong pappy

Morehead State
08-17-2011, 04:58 PM
i cannot wait to see PAppys response to Moon and Brunells numbers

i
</P>


Matt,</P>


You are as precious as you can be. You're as precious as..........</P>


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<FONT size=4>Hayley Mills in "The Parent Trap".</FONT></P>


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bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 04:59 PM
Kind of looks like you to MMB

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 05:01 PM
i cannot wait to see PAppys response to Moon and Brunells numbers

i
</p>


Matt,</p>


You are as precious as you can be. You're as precious as..........</p>


</p>


</p>


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</p>


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<font size="4">Hayley Mills in "The Parent Trap".</font></p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

sorry - the earliest movies i saw were on VHS not reel to reel (and they had sound not subtitles)

so pappy u do realize that Moon had two of his top 3 WORST interception years when Gilbride was there

and that Brunells WORST interception year was when Gilbride was there

riiiiight?

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Kind of looks like you to MMB


i am actually rocking the same shirt as we speak

Morehead State
08-17-2011, 05:06 PM
i cannot wait to see PAppys response to Moon and Brunells numbers

i
</P>


Matt,</P>


You are as precious as you can be. You're as precious as..........</P>


</P>


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<FONT size=4>Hayley Mills in "The Parent Trap".</FONT></P>


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sorry - the earliest movies i saw were on VHS not reel to reel (and they had sound not subtitles)

so pappy u do realize that Moon had two of his top 3 WORST interception years when Gilbride was there

and that Brunells WORST interception year was when Gilbride was there

riiiiight?
</P>


It wasn't an essay question. I'm not looking for explainations about how Brunells or Moon's worst season weren't as bad as Eli's.</P>


It was a simple yes or no question.</P>


</P>


But it was your cute and excited anticipation of believing that you got me while I was away cutting my grass that was so adorable.</P>


I just want to give you a big hug right now. Its like a son thinking he just beat his father in chess when he didn't know that a king couldn't move more than one square.</P>


You couldn't be more cute than you are right now. Now I see what Blondie sees in you.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 05:08 PM
Pappy - u've lost

ur hurting ur Thee Thread rep at this point... we all eat our crow when we get shut up.

Its sad u refuse to man up in this instance. Dont worry, i'm sure you'll have better days round these parts

I still believe in you, even though deep down you may not believe in yourself

and ur response in asking about Moon and Brunells interceptions was off of my statement that gilbrides offense leads to high turnovers because of its nature and thats been proven

maybe next time old man

http://www.johncena4u.com/chain-gang/2007/09/john-cena41.jpg

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 05:11 PM
Kind of looks like you to MMB


i am actually rocking the same shirt as we speak

LMAO

Morehead State
08-17-2011, 05:12 PM
Pappy - u've lost

ur hurting ur Thee Thread rep at this point... we all eat our crow when we get shut up.

Its sad u refuse to man up in this instance. Dont worry, i'm sure you'll have better days round these parts

I still believe in you, even though deep down you may not believe in yourself

and ur response in asking about Moon and Brunells interceptions was off of my statement that gilbrides offense leads to high turnovers because of its nature and thats been proven

maybe next time old man

http://www.johncena4u.com/chain-gang/2007/09/john-cena41.jpg
</P>


Rambling is a sure sign of defeat.</P>

DavenIII
08-17-2011, 05:14 PM
we all eat our crow when we get shut up.

LOL yeah...

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 05:16 PM
<font color="#0000ff" size="6">
and ur response in asking about Moon and Brunells interceptions was
off of my statement that gilbrides offense leads to high turnovers
because of its nature and thats been proven

maybe next time old man</font>

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 05:20 PM
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<div class="tweet-text tweet-text-large">John Mara is speaking to
Mike Lupica on ESPN Radio. ...Mara said Giants wanted to counter-offer,
but probably wouldn't match Philly offer</div>
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@ZBerm (http://twitter.com/#%21/ZBerm)
<span class="tweet-user-block-full-name">Zach Berman
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<div class="tweet-text tweet-text-large">John Mara said Giants offered S. Smith long-term deal last season that would have made him one of highest-paid WRs in league


wow. Now u may of not known who to believe in Reese/TC vs Smith

but Mara? I dont second guess him at all
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dezzzR
08-17-2011, 05:21 PM
we all eat our crow when we get shut up.

LOL yeah...
lol

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 05:22 PM
we all eat our crow when we get shut up.

LOL yeah...
lol

well except maybe daven

he then tries to turn his argument to the one he was arguing against and try and tell u that u were wrong

dezzzR
08-17-2011, 05:25 PM
hahhaa i thought we were laughing at your stubborn ***.

DavenIII
08-17-2011, 05:27 PM
Sometimes the way you present your information/points/argument is why you lose these discussions Matt.

While I don't disagree with the point you are trying to make (which is Gilbrides system creates a lot of opportunities for interceptions) the question Morehead asked was did anyone else throw <font color="#0000FF" size="5">25</font> int's

the answer to that question is, unquestionably, No no one else did.

Now does it matter if it was 21 ints or 25 int's...obviously not lol, you are right in your overall point, but the fact that you threw 21 ints into moreheads face after he asked if anyone threw 25 or more makes you look silly.

you are correct, Gilbrides offense creates opportunities for ints...but they are just opportunities until the mistake is made.

Lando's statistics are the best grounds for arguing against Morehead right now...you should use those...we all saw all those tipped passes....the 25 ints was an honest case of "Bad Luck" for Eli last year...and that's all it was....it's good to see that the bad luck didn't get to him and he still managed to stay confident and throw for 4k+ yards and 31 TD's.

MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 05:59 PM
Sometimes the way you present your information/points/argument is why you lose these discussions Matt.

While I don't disagree with the point you are trying to make (which is Gilbrides system creates a lot of opportunities for interceptions) the question Morehead asked was did anyone else throw <font color="#0000ff" size="5">25</font> int's

the answer to that question is, unquestionably, No no one else did.

Now does it matter if it was 21 ints or 25 int's...obviously not lol, you are right in your overall point, but the fact that you threw 21 ints into moreheads face after he asked if anyone threw 25 or more makes you look silly.

you are correct, Gilbrides offense creates opportunities for ints...but they are just opportunities until the mistake is made.

Lando's statistics are the best grounds for arguing against Morehead right now...you should use those...we all saw all those tipped passes....the 25 ints was an honest case of "Bad Luck" for Eli last year...and that's all it was....it's good to see that the bad luck didn't get to him and he still managed to stay confident and throw for 4k+ yards and 31 TD's.


i dont have to make it nice and pretty

i was making a point about Gilbrides offense and mooreheads retort was to try and use Moon and Brunell as examples and it backfired, horribly.

While I like LAndos stat assessment theres no way that they are hard facts. I do agree with the results but is it possible that even a couple more picks were on the WRs for running wrong routes or maybe more on Eli because he read the route wrong. Theres just no real way to justify those stats. They are cool and what they are trying to achieve i commend.

bigblue4417
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but Mara? I dont second guess him at all
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Exaaaaaaaaaaactly. SS can say what he wants. The owner if the New York Giants wouldn't lie....

bigblue4417
08-17-2011, 07:03 PM
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Appearing on WFAN Radio Wednesday, coach Tom
Coughlin suggested that Mario Manningham will be the Giants' slot
receiver if Victor Cruz or rookie Jerrel Jernigan doesn't step up to
fill the role.</p>
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In this scenario, Domenik Hixon and Hakeem
Nicks would be the outside wideouts with Manningham moving inside for
three-receiver sets. The Giants haven't seen enough from Cruz or
Jernigan to place them among the club's top three receivers. It'd be a
nice plus for Manningham's fantasy outlook in PPR leagues. He'd be
playing the exact same role once manned by Steve Smith.
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MattMeyerBud
08-17-2011, 07:19 PM
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Appearing on WFAN Radio Wednesday, coach Tom
Coughlin suggested that Mario Manningham will be the Giants' slot
receiver if Victor Cruz or rookie Jerrel Jernigan doesn't step up to
fill the role.</p>
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In this scenario, Domenik Hixon and Hakeem
Nicks would be the outside wideouts with Manningham moving inside for
three-receiver sets. The Giants haven't seen enough from Cruz or
Jernigan to place them among the club's top three receivers. It'd be a
nice plus for Manningham's fantasy outlook in PPR leagues. He'd be
playing the exact same role once manned by Steve Smith.
</div>

that songs like an even more explosive situation any way

Morehead State
08-17-2011, 10:05 PM
Sometimes the way you present your information/points/argument is why you lose these discussions Matt.

While I don't disagree with the point you are trying to make (which is Gilbrides system creates a lot of opportunities for interceptions) the question Morehead asked was did anyone else throw <FONT color=#0000ff size=5>25</FONT> int's

the answer to that question is, unquestionably, No no one else did.

Now does it matter if it was 21 ints or 25 int's...obviously not lol, you are right in your overall point, but the fact that you threw 21 ints into moreheads face after he asked if anyone threw 25 or more makes you look silly.

you are correct, Gilbrides offense creates opportunities for ints...but they are just opportunities until the mistake is made.

Lando's statistics are the best grounds for arguing against Morehead right now...you should use those...we all saw all those tipped passes....the 25 ints was an honest case of "Bad Luck" for Eli last year...and that's all it was....it's good to see that the bad luck didn't get to him and he still managed to stay confident and throw for 4k+ yards and 31 TD's.


i dont have to make it nice and pretty

i was making a point about Gilbrides offense and mooreheads retort was to try and use Moon and Brunell as examples and it backfired, horribly.

While I like LAndos stat assessment theres no way that they are hard facts. I do agree with the results but is it possible that even a couple more picks were on the WRs for running wrong routes or maybe more on Eli because he read the route wrong. Theres just no real way to justify those stats. They are cool and what they are trying to achieve i commend.
</P>


Every possible outcome of this debate comes out with Morehead as the winner.</P>


All is right with the universe.</P>


</P>

Morehead State
08-17-2011, 10:18 PM
Sometimes the way you present your information/points/argument is why you lose these discussions Matt.

While I don't disagree with the point you are trying to make (which is Gilbrides system creates a lot of opportunities for interceptions) the question Morehead asked was did anyone else throw <FONT color=#0000ff size=5>25</FONT> int's

the answer to that question is, unquestionably, No no one else did.

Now does it matter if it was 21 ints or 25 int's...obviously not lol, you are right in your overall point, but the fact that you threw 21 ints into moreheads face after he asked if anyone threw 25 or more makes you look silly.

you are correct, Gilbrides offense creates opportunities for ints...but they are just opportunities until the mistake is made.

Lando's statistics are the best grounds for arguing against Morehead right now...you should use those...we all saw all those tipped passes....the 25 ints was an honest case of "Bad Luck" for Eli last year...and that's all it was....it's good to see that the bad luck didn't get to him and he still managed to stay confident and throw for 4k+ yards and 31 TD's.
</P>


The answer to my question was <U>no.</U> Thats all there is to it. So I win on that point.</P>


But here is why you are wrong on the overall point. Gilbride's system in Houston was a pure run and shoot. Completely different than the current Giants system. As for Brunell, those high int's were early in his career, when a QB is expected to throw a lot of picks. Eli was in his 6th season when he threw 25 picks. Hardly comparable.</P>


So on the literal point, Matt is wrong. On the more in depth point, Matt is still wrong.</P>


The ultimate conclusion of al this nonsense........Matt is wrong.</P>


He was wrong on Braylon. he was wrong on John Henderson. he was wrong on Kirk Morrison.</P>


WRONG WRONG WRONG.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 09:01 AM
Sometimes the way you present your information/points/argument is why you lose these discussions Matt.

While I don't disagree with the point you are trying to make (which is Gilbrides system creates a lot of opportunities for interceptions) the question Morehead asked was did anyone else throw <font color="#0000ff" size="5">25</font> int's

the answer to that question is, unquestionably, No no one else did.

Now does it matter if it was 21 ints or 25 int's...obviously not lol, you are right in your overall point, but the fact that you threw 21 ints into moreheads face after he asked if anyone threw 25 or more makes you look silly.

you are correct, Gilbrides offense creates opportunities for ints...but they are just opportunities until the mistake is made.

Lando's statistics are the best grounds for arguing against Morehead right now...you should use those...we all saw all those tipped passes....the 25 ints was an honest case of "Bad Luck" for Eli last year...and that's all it was....it's good to see that the bad luck didn't get to him and he still managed to stay confident and throw for 4k+ yards and 31 TD's.
</p>


The answer to my question was <u>no.</u> Thats all there is to it. So I win on that point.</p>


But here is why you are wrong on the overall point. Gilbride's system in Houston was a pure run and shoot. Completely different than the current Giants system. As for Brunell, those high int's were early in his career, when a QB is expected to throw a lot of picks. Eli was in his 6th season when he threw 25 picks. Hardly comparable.</p>


So on the literal point, Matt is wrong. On the more in depth point, Matt is still wrong.</p>


The ultimate conclusion of al this nonsense........Matt is wrong.</p>


He was wrong on Braylon. he was wrong on John Henderson. he was wrong on Kirk Morrison.</p>


WRONG WRONG WRONG.</p>

i can't confirm or deny the system he ran and if they relied on the option routes like we do now, BUT either way you were the one trying to use Moon as an example to prove your point. So if they don't run the same offense, why would you even try to make the point?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1140141/index.htm

Per that article Moon also had one of the best WR groups in the NFL. So again what was the reason u brought up moon? You are wrong sir and i would say its unbecoming, but its starting to be the rule oppose to the exception unfortunately.

On the main point, which is all I am arguing, I was right and thats all the matters. You hang on to the stupid 25 picks number and try to salvage your self respect. Right now your squirming more than Anthony Weiner on the podium after the world saw his nipple and **** shots.

I actually disagree that I was wrong on any of them

John Henderson - did we not just lose Cofield and draft a DT and sign 1 or 2 more? We needed a vet at the minimum and he is still VERY legit against the run. Infact i'd still rather have him instead of Gabe Watson or Rocky Bernard

Kirk Morrison - are u suggesting we are okay at OLB? One week Kiwi is starting, the other Sintim, then theres talks of Jones, then theres talks of Paysinger. Excuse me for wnating a little security. And either way, I wanted a vet with an upside coming in, whether it be Kirk Morrison specifically or not - we signed Keith Bullock. So I was right again

Braylon - I may of overlooked his attitude but he had 1000 and 7 last year. And he opened things up for Keller early in the season and that hurt his numbers cuz thats all sanchez threw to in the red zone for like 4 weeks. Braylon still has an upside if he stops being a moron. But I dont' like relying on rookie receivers to come in and replace the focal point of our offense at the time with Plax. Nicks proved me wrong on that, but my assessment of Braylons play is still legit.


Either way lets go over pappys past 24 hours:

-Eli Sucks
-Eli's interceptions are on him alone
-Did Moon or Brunell throw 25 interceptions in Gilbrides offense?
-HAHAHA!!! NOT 25! THEY THREW FOR CAREER HIGHES IN THE 20s JUST NOT 25!!!
-GIlbride didn't even run the same offense in Houston

http://divinebynature.tripod.com/crack_pipe.jpg

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 09:40 AM
possibly qoute of the year in 2011

After being hit by a car, former Lions QB Joey Harrington got impatient laying in the hospital so he told the trauama doctor: "I played four years in Detroit, I can handle a car. Lets get this thing moving"

LMAO

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 09:56 AM
Sidney Rice pulling a Steve Smith?

"Seahawks wanted me, Vikings did not"

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 09:59 AM
Sometimes the way you present your information/points/argument is why you lose these discussions Matt.

While I don't disagree with the point you are trying to make (which is Gilbrides system creates a lot of opportunities for interceptions) the question Morehead asked was did anyone else throw <FONT color=#0000ff size=5>25</FONT> int's

the answer to that question is, unquestionably, No no one else did.

Now does it matter if it was 21 ints or 25 int's...obviously not lol, you are right in your overall point, but the fact that you threw 21 ints into moreheads face after he asked if anyone threw 25 or more makes you look silly.

you are correct, Gilbrides offense creates opportunities for ints...but they are just opportunities until the mistake is made.

Lando's statistics are the best grounds for arguing against Morehead right now...you should use those...we all saw all those tipped passes....the 25 ints was an honest case of "Bad Luck" for Eli last year...and that's all it was....it's good to see that the bad luck didn't get to him and he still managed to stay confident and throw for 4k+ yards and 31 TD's.
</P>


The answer to my question was <U>no.</U> Thats all there is to it. So I win on that point.</P>


But here is why you are wrong on the overall point. Gilbride's system in Houston was a pure run and shoot. Completely different than the current Giants system. As for Brunell, those high int's were early in his career, when a QB is expected to throw a lot of picks. Eli was in his 6th season when he threw 25 picks. Hardly comparable.</P>


So on the literal point, Matt is wrong. On the more in depth point, Matt is still wrong.</P>


The ultimate conclusion of al this nonsense........Matt is wrong.</P>


He was wrong on Braylon. he was wrong on John Henderson. he was wrong on Kirk Morrison.</P>


WRONG WRONG WRONG.</P>




i can't confirm or deny the system he ran and if they relied on the option routes like we do now, BUT either way you were the one trying to use Moon as an example to prove your point. So if they don't run the same offense, why would you even try to make the point?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1140141/index.htm

Per that article Moon also had one of the best WR groups in the NFL. So again what was the reason u brought up moon? You are wrong sir and i would say its unbecoming, but its starting to be the rule oppose to the exception unfortunately.

On the main point, which is all I am arguing, I was right and thats all the matters. You hang on to the stupid 25 picks number and try to salvage your self respect. Right now your squirming more than Anthony Weiner on the podium after the world saw his nipple and **** shots.

I actually disagree that I was wrong on any of them

John Henderson - did we not just lose Cofield and draft a DT and sign 1 or 2 more? We needed a vet at the minimum and he is still VERY legit against the run. Infact i'd still rather have him instead of Gabe Watson or Rocky Bernard

Kirk Morrison - are u suggesting we are okay at OLB? One week Kiwi is starting, the other Sintim, then theres talks of Jones, then theres talks of Paysinger. Excuse me for wnating a little security. And either way, I wanted a vet with an upside coming in, whether it be Kirk Morrison specifically or not - we signed Keith Bullock. So I was right again

Braylon - I may of overlooked his attitude but he had 1000 and 7 last year. And he opened things up for Keller early in the season and that hurt his numbers cuz thats all sanchez threw to in the red zone for like 4 weeks. Braylon still has an upside if he stops being a moron. But I dont' like relying on rookie receivers to come in and replace the focal point of our offense at the time with Plax. Nicks proved me wrong on that, but my assessment of Braylons play is still legit.


Either way lets go over pappys past 24 hours:

-Eli Sucks
-Eli's interceptions are on him alone
-Did Moon or Brunell throw 25 interceptions in Gilbrides offense?
-HAHAHA!!! NOT 25! THEY THREW FOR CAREER HIGHES IN THE 20s JUST NOT 25!!!
-GIlbride didn't even run the same offense in Houston

http://divinebynature.tripod.com/crack_pipe.jpg

</P>


1. I never said that Eli sucks. He doesn't suck, buthe has a few glaring flaws.</P>


2. i never said that Eli's interceptions are on him alone. I said all QB's have picks that aren't their fault. If you just count the picks that are the QB's fault, Eli's picks are way too high.</P>


3. The answer is no, just as I suggested. Morehead-winner MMB-loser on that one.</P>


4. You finally got one right. he ran the run and shoot which was a very risky offense. Thus the fact that its not used anymore.</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 10:05 AM
1. I never said that Eli sucks. He doesn't suck, buthe has a few glaring flaws.</p>


2. i never said that Eli's interceptions are on him alone. I said all QB's have picks that aren't their fault. If you just count the picks that are the QB's fault, Eli's picks are way too high.</p>


3. The answer is no, just as I suggested. Morehead-winner MMB-loser on that one.</p>


4. You finally got one right. he ran the run and shoot which was a very risky offense. Thus the fact that its not used anymore.</p>


</p>

1.) I dont have to say i HATE the Eagles - put u can come to that conclusion form other things i say about them

2.) Everybody agrees we have too many turnovers

3.) Literal Jim - u got one congrats

4.) Noticed u tried skipping this point. Your desperate attempts to try and salvage your argument have become petty and sad

5.) What was the point of you referring to Moon and Brunells stats?

alllrighty then

like i said i dont have to say I hate the Eagles for u to know I hate them

U dont even really have to say anything about how u skipped #4 or why u referenced Moon or Brunells stats - we already know

http://www.musicwithease.com/man-playing-trumpet-2.gif

its over PAppy. This guy is playing TAPS for you

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 10:08 AM
1. I never said that Eli sucks. He doesn't suck, buthe has a few glaring flaws.</P>


2. i never said that Eli's interceptions are on him alone. I said all QB's have picks that aren't their fault. If you just count the picks that are the QB's fault, Eli's picks are way too high.</P>


3. The answer is no, just as I suggested. Morehead-winner MMB-loser on that one.</P>


4. You finally got one right. he ran the run and shoot which was a very risky offense. Thus the fact that its not used anymore.</P>


</P>




1.) I dont have to say i HATE the Eagles - put u can come to that conclusion form other things i say about them

2.) Everybody agrees we have too many turnovers

3.) Literal Jim - u got one congrats

4.) Noticed u tried skipping this point. Your desperate attempts to try and salvage your argument have become petty and sad

5.) What was the point of you referring to Moon and Brunells stats?

alllrighty then

like i said i dont have to say I hate the Eagles for u to know I hate them

U dont even really have to say anything about how u skipped #4 or why u referenced Moon or Brunells stats - we already know

http://www.musicwithease.com/man-playing-trumpet-2.gif

its over PAppy. This guy is playing TAPS for you

</P>


#4 and #3 were the same point. You'r repeating yourself a lot.</P>


And I'm not sure what the point is about the Eagles. (that you repeated for some reason).</P>


And my point was that Brunell and Moon never threw for 25 int's.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 10:20 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant
tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read
offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/d2dfcd30024b4b95b0cab839c7a6e4ff/l.jpg

REF CALLS THE FIGHT AND COVERS UP PAPPY

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 10:24 AM
the brunell example is the best... he sonly thrown double digit interceptions 4 times in his 17 year career a

20 - 14 - 13 - 11

i bet u can guess who his OC was when he threw 20

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 10:27 AM
and just curious pappy - what makes u think we dont run a run and shoot offense?

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 10:36 AM
Time to get **** together in this thread...

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS DRAFT DAY AND TIME. LABOR DAY AT 7PM est.

Can make it:

ME
Blondie
Kase
Lando

ps- if u didn't send ur money start hopping on it. I have to live with the *****ing, you guys dont

------------

Whose going to THEE THREADS GAME: The Bills:

ME
Blondie
Kase -

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Time to get **** together in this thread...

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS DRAFT DAY AND TIME. LABOR DAY AT 7PM est.

Can make it:

ME
Blondie
Kase
Lando

ps- if u didn't send ur money start hopping on it. I have to live with the *****ing, you guys dont

------------

Whose going to THEE THREADS GAME: The Bills:

ME
Blondie
Kase -
Draft Day 7 pm-- That would be September 5 ? Yes-can make it.

Thee Game-Better than 50% chance to be at that game...possible conflict with family B-day Oct 10th Pushing to celebrate weekend of 10/8.

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 10:56 AM
1. I never said that Eli sucks. He doesn't suck, buthe has a few glaring flaws.</p>


2. i never said that Eli's interceptions are on him alone. I said all QB's have picks that aren't their fault. If you just count the picks that are the QB's fault, Eli's picks are way too high.</p>


3. The answer is no, just as I suggested. Morehead-winner MMB-loser on that one.</p>


4. You finally got one right. he ran the run and shoot which was a very risky offense. Thus the fact that its not used anymore.</p>


</p>

1.) I dont have to say i HATE the Eagles - put u can come to that conclusion form other things i say about them

2.) Everybody agrees we have too many turnovers

3.) Literal Jim - u got one congrats

4.) Noticed u tried skipping this point. Your desperate attempts to try and salvage your argument have become petty and sad

5.) What was the point of you referring to Moon and Brunells stats?

alllrighty then

like i said i dont have to say I hate the Eagles for u to know I hate them

U dont even really have to say anything about how u skipped #4 or why u referenced Moon or Brunells stats - we already know

http://www.musicwithease.com/man-playing-trumpet-2.gif

its over PAppy. This guy is playing TAPS for you

<u><font size="4">run and shoot
</font></u><font size="4"><font size="3">Is this similar to the chuck and duck offense? What we will be running if Baas and our oline does not start to get off the ball a bit quicker.</font>
</font>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:11 AM
Time to get **** together in this thread...

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS DRAFT DAY AND TIME. LABOR DAY AT 7PM est.

Can make it:

ME
Blondie
Kase
Lando

ps- if u didn't send ur money start hopping on it. I have to live with the *****ing, you guys dont

------------

Whose going to THEE THREADS GAME: The Bills:

ME
Blondie
Kase -
Draft Day 7 pm-- That would be September 5 ? Yes-can make it.

Thee Game-Better than 50% chance to be at that game...possible conflict with family B-day Oct 10th Pushing to celebrate weekend of 10/8.


ahhh LT - make that a saturday party!

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:13 AM
ha thats the thing our offense IS basically a run and shoot

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 11:16 AM
Time to get **** together in this thread...

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS DRAFT DAY AND TIME. LABOR DAY AT 7PM est.

Can make it:

ME
Blondie
Kase
Lando

ps- if u didn't send ur money start hopping on it. I have to live with the *****ing, you guys dont

------------

Whose going to THEE THREADS GAME: The Bills:

ME
Blondie
Kase -
Draft Day 7 pm-- That would be September 5 ? Yes-can make it.

Thee Game-Better than 50% chance to be at that game...possible conflict with family B-day Oct 10th Pushing to celebrate weekend of 10/8.


ahhh LT - make that a saturday party!
Absolutely, the trick to that is not letting anyone know that you have plans for a particular day. If/when they piece it together after the fact....it's too late.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:20 AM
mooorehead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20d9ySlkihI

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:26 AM
ha thats the thing our offense IS basically a run and shoot
</P>


We definated do NOT run the run and shoot offense. That offense essentially requires 4 pass pattern run on every play. The only similarity is the sight adjustments WR's have to make. It also usually has 3 or 5 step drops.</P>


Its a wide open offense that emphasises the pass. Run and shoot teams always threw the ball a lot more than run it.</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:31 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/d2dfcd30024b4b95b0cab839c7a6e4ff/l.jpg

REF CALLS THE FIGHT AND COVERS UP PAPPY



</P>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</P>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</P>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:34 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/d2dfcd30024b4b95b0cab839c7a6e4ff/l.jpg

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</p>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</p>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</p>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</p>

of course you do - because u know ur wrong as do i

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:37 AM
ha thats the thing our offense IS basically a run and shoot
</p>


We definated do NOT run the run and shoot offense. That offense essentially requires 4 pass pattern run on every play. The only similarity is the sight adjustments WR's have to make. It also usually has 3 or 5 step drops.</p>


Its a wide open offense that emphasises the pass. Run and shoot teams always threw the ball a lot more than run it.</p>

haha we actually do. It is more of a Hybrid Run and Shoot but its definitly a run and shoot. Gilbride even said its based off the offense he ran in Houston with Warren Moon.

Our passing game has the same principles AS the run and shoot.

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:38 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


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</P>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</P>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</P>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</P>




of course you do - because u know ur wrong as do i


</P>


Is it you position that either Mark Brunell or Warren Moon DID throw 25 picks in a season while playing for KG?</P>

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 11:39 AM
ďI donít think it was out of character,Ē Eli said. ďThe question was if
I thought I was an elite quarterback or a top five quarterback, and I
answered truthfully and said I was. So I donít think I said anything
incorrectly, I donít know how else I was supposed to answer that
question.Ē

ďIt got stirred up and all of a sudden people ran with it a
little bit and started saying different things,Ē Eli said. ďI thought I
gave a truthful answer and gave my opinion. When I got done with the
interview, I thought we had a nice little interview and nothing will
come out of it and everything will be quiet. In training camp we donít
get to watch much TV or read the papers, and my dad told me that a bunch
was being stirred about this and so just be prepared if someone asks
you. But Iím not bothered by it. I thought I said the right things and
Iíll just move on.Ē

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:39 AM
i'd say we basically run a balanced run and shoot - what would u call our offense?

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:40 AM
ha thats the thing our offense IS basically a run and shoot
</P>


We definated do NOT run the run and shoot offense. That offense essentially requires 4 pass pattern run on every play. The only similarity is the sight adjustments WR's have to make. It also usually has 3 or 5 step drops.</P>


Its a wide open offense that emphasises the pass. Run and shoot teams always threw the ball a lot more than run it.</P>




haha we actually do. It is more of a Hybrid Run and Shoot but its definitly a run and shoot. Gilbride even said its based off the offense he ran in Houston with Warren Moon.

Our passing game has the same principles AS the run and shoot.
</P>


Now you are just talking crazy. Our offense doesn't come close to the run and shoot. You were too young, but the run and shoot was a wide open offense, usually with 4 and 5 WR sets, usually small agile WR's. Our offense doesn't come close to resembling that offense.</P>


</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:41 AM
i'd say we basically run a balanced run and shoot - what would u call our offense?
</P>


How about "Dave".</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:43 AM
ďI donít think it was out of character,Ē Eli said. ďThe question was if I thought I was an elite quarterback or a top five quarterback, and I answered truthfully and said I was. So I donít think I said anything incorrectly, I donít know how else I was supposed to answer that question.Ē

ďIt got stirred up and all of a sudden people ran with it a little bit and started saying different things,Ē Eli said. ďI thought I gave a truthful answer and gave my opinion. When I got done with the interview, I thought we had a nice little interview and nothing will come out of it and everything will be quiet. In training camp we donít get to watch much TV or read the papers, and my dad told me that a bunch was being stirred about this and so just be prepared if someone asks you. But Iím not bothered by it. I thought I said the right things and Iíll just move on.Ē</P>


Yes but yesterday Matt said that Eli was in Tom Brady's class.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:43 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


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</p>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</p>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</p>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</p>




of course you do - because u know ur wrong as do i


</p>


Is it you position that either Mark Brunell or Warren Moon DID throw 25 picks in a season while playing for KG?</p>

no my position is the same as it was when u asked me about Brunell and Moon

Gilbrides offenses cause QBs to have high INTs

and i was proven correct

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:44 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


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</P>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</P>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</P>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</P>




of course you do - because u know ur wrong as do i


</P>


Is it you position that either Mark Brunell or Warren Moon DID throw 25 picks in a season while playing for KG?</P>




no my position is the same as it was when u asked me about Brunell and Moon

Gilbrides offenses cause QBs to have high INTs

and i was proven correct
</P>


really? Then explain how Eli threw for 10 picks in 08 and 14 in 09.</P>


Oh...let me guess.....It wasn't Eli's fault last year. he was a victim.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:48 AM
ha thats the thing our offense IS basically a run and shoot
</p>


We definated do NOT run the run and shoot offense. That offense essentially requires 4 pass pattern run on every play. The only similarity is the sight adjustments WR's have to make. It also usually has 3 or 5 step drops.</p>


Its a wide open offense that emphasises the pass. Run and shoot teams always threw the ball a lot more than run it.</p>




haha we actually do. It is more of a Hybrid Run and Shoot but its definitly a run and shoot. Gilbride even said its based off the offense he ran in Houston with Warren Moon.

Our passing game has the same principles AS the run and shoot.
</p>


Now you are just talking crazy. Our offense doesn't come close to the run and shoot. You were too young, but the run and shoot was a wide open offense, usually with 4 and 5 WR sets, usually small agile WR's. Our offense doesn't come close to resembling that offense.</p>


</p>

actually i'm not.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html

This isn't 1980 anymore. Things adapt. All of our receiving game is based on the principals of the run and shoot offense. Obviously by doing that we aren't relying on those big wide sets.

We def run a hybrid Run and SHoot offense. I'd say just a balanced run and shoot

per wiki:

"The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver). This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage),
just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous
mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what
coverage the defense is using."

Obviously if we are more balanced wtih the run we are less inclined to use the 4 wide set since we run more.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html



"That's what gives you a chance. Otherwise you're a play behind,"
Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "If I have a curl
route and you're in a 2 zone, you got me. If you're in two man, you got
me. But if I have (something) which allows me to convert, I got you."</p>


In 22 years in the NFL, Mr. Gilbride said he has always used this
system with his receivers. He's been an offensive coordinator with five
teams, a head coach with the Chargers, and his teams have been among
the league leaders in passing, scoring and yards all along the way. </p>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:52 AM
ha thats the thing our offense IS basically a run and shoot
</P>


We definated do NOT run the run and shoot offense. That offense essentially requires 4 pass pattern run on every play. The only similarity is the sight adjustments WR's have to make. It also usually has 3 or 5 step drops.</P>


Its a wide open offense that emphasises the pass. Run and shoot teams always threw the ball a lot more than run it.</P>




haha we actually do. It is more of a Hybrid Run and Shoot but its definitly a run and shoot. Gilbride even said its based off the offense he ran in Houston with Warren Moon.

Our passing game has the same principles AS the run and shoot.
</P>


Now you are just talking crazy. Our offense doesn't come close to the run and shoot. You were too young, but the run and shoot was a wide open offense, usually with 4 and 5 WR sets, usually small agile WR's. Our offense doesn't come close to resembling that offense.</P>


</P>

actually i'm not.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html

This isn't 1980 anymore. Things adapt. All of our receiving game is based on the principals of the run and shoot offense. Obviously by doing that we aren't relying on those big wide sets.

We def run a hybrid Run and SHoot offense. I'd say just a balanced run and shoot

per wiki:

"The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver). This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using."

Obviously if we are more balanced wtih the run we are less inclined to use the 4 wide set since we run more.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html




"That's what gives you a chance. Otherwise you're a play behind," Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "If I have a curl route and you're in a 2 zone, you got me. If you're in two man, you got me. But if I have (something) which allows me to convert, I got you."</P>


In 22 years in the NFL, Mr. Gilbride said he has always used this system with his receivers. He's been an offensive coordinator with five teams, a head coach with the Chargers, and his teams have been among the league leaders in passing, scoring and yards all along the way. </P>



</P>


**** all that ****.<FONT size=4> Old Guns is on YouTube!!!!</FONT></P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEIZNUXmXLI&amp;feature=related</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 11:52 AM
ďI donít think it was out of character,Ē Eli said. ďThe question was if I thought I was an elite quarterback or a top five quarterback, and I answered truthfully and said I was. So I donít think I said anything incorrectly, I donít know how else I was supposed to answer that question.Ē

ďIt got stirred up and all of a sudden people ran with it a little bit and started saying different things,Ē Eli said. ďI thought I gave a truthful answer and gave my opinion. When I got done with the interview, I thought we had a nice little interview and nothing will come out of it and everything will be quiet. In training camp we donít get to watch much TV or read the papers, and my dad told me that a bunch was being stirred about this and so just be prepared if someone asks you. But Iím not bothered by it. I thought I said the right things and Iíll just move on.Ē</p>


Yes but yesterday Matt said that Eli was in Tom Brady's class.</p>did you see their stats compared in the eli thread? i had to rub my eyes in disbelief. eli may not be in the same class but hes a damn good qb.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:53 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


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</p>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</p>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</p>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</p>




of course you do - because u know ur wrong as do i


</p>


Is it you position that either Mark Brunell or Warren Moon DID throw 25 picks in a season while playing for KG?</p>




no my position is the same as it was when u asked me about Brunell and Moon

Gilbrides offenses cause QBs to have high INTs

and i was proven correct
</p>


really? Then explain how Eli threw for 10 picks in 08 and 14 in 09.</p>


Oh...let me guess.....It wasn't Eli's fault last year. he was a victim.</p>

You act like 14 is a good number to have? So he didn't have one year that was that bad and that justifies your points rather than all of the othe revidence of years?

whatever helps u sleep old man

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:55 AM
ha thats the thing our offense IS basically a run and shoot
</p>


We definated do NOT run the run and shoot offense. That offense essentially requires 4 pass pattern run on every play. The only similarity is the sight adjustments WR's have to make. It also usually has 3 or 5 step drops.</p>


Its a wide open offense that emphasises the pass. Run and shoot teams always threw the ball a lot more than run it.</p>




haha we actually do. It is more of a Hybrid Run and Shoot but its definitly a run and shoot. Gilbride even said its based off the offense he ran in Houston with Warren Moon.

Our passing game has the same principles AS the run and shoot.
</p>


Now you are just talking crazy. Our offense doesn't come close to the run and shoot. You were too young, but the run and shoot was a wide open offense, usually with 4 and 5 WR sets, usually small agile WR's. Our offense doesn't come close to resembling that offense.</p>


</p>

actually i'm not.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html

This isn't 1980 anymore. Things adapt. All of our receiving game is based on the principals of the run and shoot offense. Obviously by doing that we aren't relying on those big wide sets.

We def run a hybrid Run and SHoot offense. I'd say just a balanced run and shoot

per wiki:

"The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver). This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using."

Obviously if we are more balanced wtih the run we are less inclined to use the 4 wide set since we run more.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024021655455958.html




"That's what gives you a chance. Otherwise you're a play behind," Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said. "If I have a curl route and you're in a 2 zone, you got me. If you're in two man, you got me. But if I have (something) which allows me to convert, I got you."</p>


In 22 years in the NFL, Mr. Gilbride said he has always used this system with his receivers. He's been an offensive coordinator with five teams, a head coach with the Chargers, and his teams have been among the league leaders in passing, scoring and yards all along the way. </p>



</p>


**** all that ****.<font size="4"> Old Guns is on YouTube!!!!</font></p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEIZNUXmXLI&amp;feature=related</p>

http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0060-0807-1220-5847_A_Beat_Up_Man_Waving_the_White_Flag_of_Surren der_clipart_image.jpg &lt;-- Pappy

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 11:56 AM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


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</P>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</P>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</P>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</P>




of course you do - because u know ur wrong as do i


</P>


Is it you position that either Mark Brunell or Warren Moon DID throw 25 picks in a season while playing for KG?</P>




no my position is the same as it was when u asked me about Brunell and Moon

Gilbrides offenses cause QBs to have high INTs

and i was proven correct
</P>


really? Then explain how Eli threw for 10 picks in 08 and 14 in 09.</P>


Oh...let me guess.....It wasn't Eli's fault last year. he was a victim.</P>




You act like 14 is a good number to have? So he didn't have one year that was that bad and that justifies your points rather than all of the othe revidence of years?

whatever helps u sleep old man
</P>


Its not. But for Eli it is.</P>


I love you guys. Its the WR's...Its KG......The sun was in his eyes.......It wasn't Eli, it was the one armed man.</P>


Its never Eli's fault with some of you guys. Can't you just admit that he makes a lot of bad decision in the face of a pass rush. Period.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 11:58 AM
another point about the 2008 season when Eli threw 10 INT... - it was also his lowest attempted passes as a full year starter and it was the year that we were a powerhouse with one of the best duos an NFL season has ever had

He didn't have to try and win us too much

Plus lets look at who his WRs were. Plax, Toomer, Smith, Hixon - all guys he was on the same page with

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:01 PM
ohhh stop it poppy.

Ur point that u attempted to make was that Moon and Brunell had no problems with INTs when Gilbride was OC

and they apparently did....

Remember why u brought up the points about Moon and Brunell

MMB says: "
i agree turnovers kill

nobody has nearly as many or blatant tips as eli last year. Not many teams run these stupid option read offense to the degrees we do

You failed"


Pappy responds: "Did Mark Brunnell ever throw 25 picks in Gilbride's system? How about Warren Moon?"


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</p>


Why are you dwelling on this? I asked a very simple question. Did these guys ever throw for 25 picks? They didn't even come close. The most either threw for was 21. Phil threw for 22 and he was a bold guy who stood in the pocket and took hits.</p>


If the answer was yes, then you have a major claim. If the answer is no (which it is) then that favors Good O'l Morehead.</p>


I really don't know why this is so difficult for you. (well actually I do)</p>




of course you do - because u know ur wrong as do i


</p>


Is it you position that either Mark Brunell or Warren Moon DID throw 25 picks in a season while playing for KG?</p>




no my position is the same as it was when u asked me about Brunell and Moon

Gilbrides offenses cause QBs to have high INTs

and i was proven correct
</p>


really? Then explain how Eli threw for 10 picks in 08 and 14 in 09.</p>


Oh...let me guess.....It wasn't Eli's fault last year. he was a victim.</p>




You act like 14 is a good number to have? So he didn't have one year that was that bad and that justifies your points rather than all of the othe revidence of years?

whatever helps u sleep old man
</p>


Its not. But for Eli it is.</p>


I love you guys. Its the WR's...Its KG......The sun was in his eyes.......It wasn't Eli, it was the one armed man.</p>


Its never Eli's fault with some of you guys. Can't you just admit that he makes a lot of bad decision in the face of a pass rush. Period.</p>

now ur just being ignorant

I always say I say Eli is a gunslinger. Always puts balls in tight places and he pays for it sometimes. But for you to suggest that the balls bouncing off of WRs hands are his fault, or WRs running wrong routes because of the complexity of Gilbrides offense isn't fathomable, or that Gilbrides offense isn't prone to interceptions no matter who the QBs are - just shows that your being ignorant

hence why we think ur an eli hater. Typically whether we agree or not you use common sense, ubt here you are not. So you will take the Eli hater label and accept it sir

I've already proven your wrong, i'll stop now

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 12:04 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle"><a HREF="/forums/thread/2197341.aspx">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together
</a></h4>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc





Made my own list:


1. <font color="#0000FF"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)


2. <font color="#0000FF" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )


3. <font color="#0000FF" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)


4. <font size="4"> <font color="#FF0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)


5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000FF">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)


6. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)


7. <font size="4"><font color="#FF0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)


8. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)


9. <font color="#0000FF"> <font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)


10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000FF"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)


11. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)


12. <font color="#0000FF" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)


13. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)


14. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)


15.<font color="#FF0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)


16. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)


17. <font size="4"><font color="#FF0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)


18. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


19. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


20. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)


21. <font color="#0000FF" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)


22. <font size="4"><font color="#FF0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)


23. <font color="#FF0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)


24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)


25. <font color="#0000FF" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)







I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last season

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:07 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle"><a href="/forums/thread/2197341.aspx">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together
</a></h4>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc





Made my own list:


1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)


2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )


3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)


4. <font size="4"> <font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)


5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)


6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)


7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)


8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)


9. <font color="#0000ff"> <font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)


10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)


11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)


12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)


13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)


14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)


15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)


16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)


17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)


18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)


21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)


22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)


23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)


24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)


25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)







I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last season

honestly i dont remember 10 being not Eli's fault

im gonna check that when i get home

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:10 PM
<H4 class=ForumPostTitle>(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</H4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>AB</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Barden</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#0000ff>Nicks</FONT></FONT>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Texans)
8. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Smith</FONT></FONT> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<FONT size=4> </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Dallas)
12. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Asante - Philly)
15.<FONT color=#ff0000> <FONT size=4>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Philly)
16. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
19. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
20. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Packers)
23. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Packers)
24. <FONT size=4>Manningham/Eli?</FONT> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Manningham</FONT> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <FONT size=5><SPAN>2</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <FONT size=5><SPAN>7</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <FONT size=5><U>13</U></FONT> dropped picks last season</P>


These aren't stats Lando. This is all opinion. The Smith pick at Dallas was a lousy throw. The Nicks pass was Nicks fault.</P>


Eli far too often rushes throws into coverage. That has nothing to do with the offense. thats pure decision making. BAD decision making.</P>


Don't take my word for it people. Listen to Tom Coughlin in the off season. he said that Eli made poor decisions and needs to throw it away more and take more sacks.</P>


TC and CC on one side. MMB on the other.</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:12 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle"><a href="/forums/thread/2197341.aspx">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together
</a></h4>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc





Made my own list:


1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)


2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )


3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)


4. <font size="4"> <font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)


5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)


6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)


7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)


8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)


9. <font color="#0000ff"> <font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)


10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)


11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)


12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)


13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)


14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)


15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)


16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)


17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)


18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)


21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)


22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)


23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)


24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)


25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)







I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:13 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:15 PM
<H4 class=ForumPostTitle>(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</H4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>AB</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Barden</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#0000ff>Nicks</FONT></FONT>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Texans)
8. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Smith</FONT></FONT> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<FONT size=4> </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Dallas)
12. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Asante - Philly)
15.<FONT color=#ff0000> <FONT size=4>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Philly)
16. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
19. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
20. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Packers)
23. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Packers)
24. <FONT size=4>Manningham/Eli?</FONT> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Manningham</FONT> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <FONT size=5><SPAN>2</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <FONT size=5><SPAN>7</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <FONT size=5><U>13</U></FONT> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</P>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</P>

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:16 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle"><a href="/forums/thread/2197341.aspx">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together
</a></h4>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc





Made my own list:


1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)


2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )


3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)


4. <font size="4"> <font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)


5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)


6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)


7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)


8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)


9. <font color="#0000ff"> <font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)


10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)


11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)


12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)


13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)


14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)


15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)


16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)


17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)


18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)


20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)


21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)


22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)


23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)


24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)


25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)







I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
Lando-That list is impressive, very nice. The details paint a different story for Eli. He just needs to make better decisions or maybe throw it away more.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:21 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</h4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)
8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)
12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)
15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)
16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)
23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)
24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last season</p>


These aren't stats Lando. This is all opinion. The Smith pick at Dallas was a lousy throw. The Nicks pass was Nicks fault.</p>


Eli far too often rushes throws into coverage. That has nothing to do with the offense. thats pure decision making. BAD decision making.</p>


Don't take my word for it people. Listen to Tom Coughlin in the off season. he said that Eli made poor decisions and needs to throw it away more and take more sacks.</p>


TC and CC on one side. MMB on the other.</p>

since when has a ball bouncing off a WRs hands or through a WRs hands been an opinion of whether its on the QB or WR??? Certain specific types of situations i guess it can be debated - not on any of these

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:24 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</h4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)
8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)
12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)
15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)
16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)
23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)
24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</p>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</p>

lol eli's interceptions are just seeds for teh chicken littles to feed

sad thats what u've become

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:24 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</h4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)
8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)
12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)
15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)
16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)
23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)
24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</p>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</p>youre over reacting. this is not a recurring issue. and answer me ya bastad, did you or did you not look at bradys elis stats compared. its impressive, no???

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:28 PM
<H4 class=ForumPostTitle>(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</H4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>AB</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Barden</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#0000ff>Nicks</FONT></FONT>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Texans)
8. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Smith</FONT></FONT> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<FONT size=4> </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Dallas)
12. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Asante - Philly)
15.<FONT color=#ff0000> <FONT size=4>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Philly)
16. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
19. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
20. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Packers)
23. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Packers)
24. <FONT size=4>Manningham/Eli?</FONT> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Manningham</FONT> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <FONT size=5><SPAN>2</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <FONT size=5><SPAN>7</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <FONT size=5><U>13</U></FONT> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</P>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</P>




lol eli's interceptions are just seeds for teh chicken littles to feed

sad thats what u've become
</P>


So many of these passes were high, or behind the WR's. Some you can't put all on Eli, but very few of these were well thrown.</P>


Does it bother anyone that it took a 7 plus minute video to cover all his picks? This is a summary of some bad football by a quarterback and a few by WR's. But it can't be argued that most of these are pure rookie mistakes made by Eli. This can't happen to a guy who has been in the league as long as he has.</P>


Me and Tom Coughlin think so at least. I guess not the Eli apologists.</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:30 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:30 PM
<H4 class=ForumPostTitle>(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</H4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>AB</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Barden</FONT> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#0000ff>Nicks</FONT></FONT>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Texans)
8. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Smith</FONT></FONT> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<FONT size=4> </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>Nicks</FONT> </FONT>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Dallas)
12. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Asante - Philly)
15.<FONT color=#ff0000> <FONT size=4>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Philly)
16. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
19. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Vikings)
20. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Nicks</FONT> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>Eli</FONT></FONT> (Packers)
23. <FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Eli</FONT> (Packers)
24. <FONT size=4>Manningham/Eli?</FONT> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Manningham</FONT> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <FONT size=5><SPAN>2</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <FONT size=5><SPAN>7</SPAN></FONT> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <FONT size=5><U>13</U></FONT> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</P>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</P>


youre over reacting. this is not a recurring issue. and answer me ya bastad, did you or did you not look at bradys elis stats compared. its impressive, no???
</P>


Brady's greatness isn't in his passing stats.</P>

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:31 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</h4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)
8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)
12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)
15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)
16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)
23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)
24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</p>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</p>




lol eli's interceptions are just seeds for teh chicken littles to feed

sad thats what u've become
</p>


So many of these passes were high, or behind the WR's. Some you can't put all on Eli, but very few of these were well thrown.</p>


Does it bother anyone that it took a 7 plus minute video to cover all his picks? This is a summary of some bad football by a quarterback and a few by WR's. But it can't be argued that most of these are pure rookie mistakes made by Eli. This can't happen to a guy who has been in the league as long as he has.</p>


Me and Tom Coughlin think so at least. I guess not the Eli apologists.</p>Eli has had the tendency to throw and errant pass for a while. A receiver like Plax with height and ability to adjust makes Eli look better than he is.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:35 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</h4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)
8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)
12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)
15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)
16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)
23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)
24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</p>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</p>




lol eli's interceptions are just seeds for teh chicken littles to feed

sad thats what u've become
</p>


So many of these passes were high, or behind the WR's. Some you can't put all on Eli, but very few of these were well thrown.</p>


Does it bother anyone that it took a 7 plus minute video to cover all his picks? This is a summary of some bad football by a quarterback and a few by WR's. But it can't be argued that most of these are pure rookie mistakes made by Eli. This can't happen to a guy who has been in the league as long as he has.</p>


Me and Tom Coughlin think so at least. I guess not the Eli apologists.</p>

well its just ur perception of what dictates where the fault should go is where you are wrong. If a ball is high or to the side it doesn't matter. The ball got to the WR - its his job to make the play

AGain like i siad before i don;t remember 10 tipped balls i will have to watch that when I get home, but please stop using qoutes from Coughlin and Eli to make yoour point. Its the prototypical **** they always say, Eli takes the fault ALL the time(even on plays u would say weren't his fault) and the HC is always going to put it on the QB - ESPECIALLY in the media.

No it doesn't bother me seeing as how in reality, i hope u would agree, that no matter how good Eli does this weird disdain for him will always be there. He got to celebrate a superbowl win for maybe a half year before they were back at it. Lets get real.

Eli had abnormal amount of INTs that were tipped with a WR class that had most of hits members pulled off the street midseason in a complex offense for QB and WR to make reads

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:36 PM
and Moorehead your SOOO an Eli hater

Dezz is asking u a very simple and direct question, how many times now?

You just can't give a straight answer to it, you have to twist it some way. Thats the telltale sign for me.

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!
</P>


The chick who shot the video was Mike's (our other quitar player) girlfriend. She didn't focus on Good Ol' Morehead.</P>


I was sporting my Tapout T shirt and my black Giants SB championship hat. Gary (our lead singer) is from Philly and started the show wearing an Eagles hat. I said..."Gary, why aren't you wearing your championship hat like I am....OOOOOPS!"</P>


We were miked up at the time. got a nice laugh from the Pats fan crowd.</P>


I had plenty of solo's but the chick was to busy with the lovey eyes on Mike.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:37 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</h4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)
8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)
12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)
15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)
16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)
23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)
24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</p>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</p>




lol eli's interceptions are just seeds for teh chicken littles to feed

sad thats what u've become
</p>


So many of these passes were high, or behind the WR's. Some you can't put all on Eli, but very few of these were well thrown.</p>


Does it bother anyone that it took a 7 plus minute video to cover all his picks? This is a summary of some bad football by a quarterback and a few by WR's. But it can't be argued that most of these are pure rookie mistakes made by Eli. This can't happen to a guy who has been in the league as long as he has.</p>


Me and Tom Coughlin think so at least. I guess not the Eli apologists.</p>Eli has had the tendency to throw and errant pass for a while. A receiver like Plax with height and ability to adjust makes Eli look better than he is.


thats fine, but the eli we've had the past three years isn't the same Eli from 05 and 06

hes had his best years without plax

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 12:37 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>
NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/)
through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans
that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this
category in my latest apartment.

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:38 PM
<h4 class="ForumPostTitle">(Youtube video) of Eli Manning 25 Interceptions - very nicely put together (/forums/thread/2197341.aspx)</h4>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc




Made my own list:

1. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Panthers)
2. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">AB</font> (Tipped - Panthers )
3. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Barden</font> (Tipped - Panthers)
4. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Triple coverage, however TERRIBLE luck.. how did the ball not hit the ground? - Colts)
5. <font size="4"><font color="#0000ff">Nicks</font></font>(Tipped - Titans)
6. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Left handed throw into end zone lol ../emoticons/emotion-8.gif - Titans)
7. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Texans)
8. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Under thrown - Texans)
9. <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Smith</font></font> (Tipped - Dallas)
10.<font size="4"> </font><font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">Nicks</font> </font>(Tipped - Dallas)
11. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Dallas)
12. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Ran the wrong route - Dallas)
13. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Alan ball - Dallas)
14. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Asante - Philly)
15.<font color="#ff0000"> <font size="4">Eli</font></font> (Philly)
16. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font>(Hail mary end of game, Eli didn't care trying to make a play, still counts on record - Philly)
17. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Terrible throw into triple cover in the end zone - Redskins)
18. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
19. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Vikings)
20. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Tipped at the line - Tapp one handed catch - Philly)
21. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Nicks</font> (Miscommunication again with Eli - Packers)
22. <font size="4"><font color="#ff0000">Eli</font></font> (Packers)
23. <font color="#ff0000" size="4">Eli</font> (Packers)
24. <font size="4">Manningham/Eli?</font> (Hard to tell, Manningham deflected it but can't see the play - Packers)
25. <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Manningham</font> (Tipped - Redskins)



I counted 15 on Eli.. far too many bad decisions under pressure, however he knows that




Some very interesting info..

-Eli only had <font size="5"><span>2</span></font> dropped picks last season.-Peyton has <font size="5"><span>7</span></font> dropped picks last season
-Sanchez had <font size="5"><u>13</u></font> dropped picks last seasonill take a qb that throws 31tds and 15 ints ANY day of the week.
</p>


I would too. Unfortunately thats not what we got. What we got was 31 TD's and 31 turnovers.</p>




lol eli's interceptions are just seeds for teh chicken littles to feed

sad thats what u've become
</p>


So many of these passes were high, or behind the WR's. Some you can't put all on Eli, but very few of these were well thrown.</p>


<u>Does it bother anyone that it took a 7 plus minute video to cover all his picks?</u> This is a summary of some bad football by a quarterback and a few by WR's. But it can't be argued that most of these are pure rookie mistakes made by Eli. This can't happen to a guy who has been in the league as long as he has.</p>


Me and Tom Coughlin think so at least. I guess not the Eli apologists.</p>ohh come on they broke every int down in slow mo. everyone wants eli to throw less ints. were just not crying wolf and over reacting like some people around here.

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:39 PM
and Moorehead your SOOO an Eli hater

Dezz is asking u a very simple and direct question, how many times now?

You just can't give a straight answer to it, you have to twist it some way. Thats the telltale sign for me.
</P>


What was the question? I am familiar with Eli's stats. Brady has never thrown more than 14 picks. Eli has done it in 2/3 of his seasons.</P>


MOREHEAD HATES INTERCEPTIONS!!!!!</P>


And I don't hate the sinner. I just hate the sins.</P>

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 12:39 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:40 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>
NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/)
through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans
that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this
category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:41 PM
and Moorehead your SOOO an Eli hater

Dezz is asking u a very simple and direct question, how many times now?

You just can't give a straight answer to it, you have to twist it some way. Thats the telltale sign for me.
he might be mad at me.


Tom Brady Stats First 7 years
=============================
Games Started: 94
Completions: 1,896
Attempts: 3,064
Percentage comp.: 57.87%
Yds: 21,564
Avg: 6.36 yds/att
TD: 147
Int: 78
Sacks: 182
Fumbles: 59
Fumbles lost: 25
Rushing yds: 435
Rushing TDs: 3


Eli Manning stats First 7 years
===============================
Games Started: 103
Completions: 1,932
Attempts: 3,332
Percentage comp.: 57.2%
Yds: 22,646
Avg: 6.8 yds/att
TD: 156
Int: 113
Sacks: 166
Fumbles: 59
Fumbles lost: 27
Rushing yds: 350
Rushing TDs: 3


"impressive...most impressive."

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:42 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.


if our defense makes one stop we are in the playoffs and GB isn't

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 12:44 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:44 PM
actually i saw gumby and mmb arguing over these stats so if you updated them or whatever, post the right one please matt

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:45 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...
It kills me to see them again.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:45 PM
actually i saw gumby and mmb arguing over these stats so if you updated them or whatever, post the right one please matt


well he said it wasn't fair to include Bradys rookie year...

so I just averaged out the stats per start season 1 thru 7 for both of them

then I did their 2nd season through 7th seasons

then i did their 3rd thorugh 7th seasons

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:45 PM
its over mh, i found another stache.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:47 PM
its over mh, i found another stache.


lol u have no idea about Luigi's stache - he better show up with it THICK for thee game lol

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:48 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.
</P>


Really. Name me a game that would have changed. They almost all came in games we won.</P>


Would we have pulled out the Packer game. By the way the Packer game Nicks play was not on Nicks. He broke to the open field away from coverage and Eli threw it into coverage.</P>


Also i refuse to put most of the blame on Nicks for the goalline pick vs. Dallas. That play was completely covered and Eli threw it right into the hands of the defender. It was a terrible decision by Eli. All Nicks could have hoped for was to break it up. If you look at the first dallas game, Nicks scored a TD by making the exact move he made in that goal line play.</P>


And blame the TN game on the left handed throw. Or is it your view that it was a good play by Eli and he was the victim of mean old defenders?</P>

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:48 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!
</p>


The chick who shot the video was Mike's (our other quitar player) girlfriend. She didn't focus on Good Ol' Morehead.</p>


I was sporting my Tapout T shirt and my black Giants SB championship hat. Gary (our lead singer) is from Philly and started the show wearing an Eagles hat. I said..."Gary, why aren't you wearing your championship hat like I am....OOOOOPS!"</p>


We were miked up at the time. got a nice laugh from the Pats fan crowd.</p>


I had plenty of solo's but the chick was to busy with the lovey eyes on Mike.</p>haha. I was wondering where the Nicks Jersey was. Tapout, really ?

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:50 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.
</p>


Really. Name me a game that would have changed. They almost all came in games we won.</p>


Would we have pulled out the Packer game. By the way the Packer game Nicks play was not on Nicks. He broke to the open field away from coverage and Eli threw it into coverage.</p>


Also i refuse to put most of the blame on Nicks for the goalline pick vs. Dallas. That play was completely covered and Eli threw it right into the hands of the defender. It was a terrible decision by Eli. All Nicks could have hoped for was to break it up. If you look at the first dallas game, Nicks scored a TD by making the exact move he made in that goal line play.</p>


And blame the TN game on the left handed throw. Or is it your view that it was a good play by Eli and he was the victim of mean old defenders?</p>

see a play like that is why i dont like to look backs at interceptions because it is debatable.... nobody knows how tha tplay was suppose to be run - maybe eli made a bad read maybe nicks ran the wrong route. It really is impossible

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:51 PM
its over mh, i found another stache.


lol u have no idea about Luigi's stache - he better show up with it THICK for thee game lol
I won't trim it for a month. It will be wilder than a jungle thick cooch.

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:51 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</P>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</P>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:53 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!
</P>


The chick who shot the video was Mike's (our other quitar player) girlfriend. She didn't focus on Good Ol' Morehead.</P>


I was sporting my Tapout T shirt and my black Giants SB championship hat. Gary (our lead singer) is from Philly and started the show wearing an Eagles hat. I said..."Gary, why aren't you wearing your championship hat like I am....OOOOOPS!"</P>


We were miked up at the time. got a nice laugh from the Pats fan crowd.</P>


I had plenty of solo's but the chick was to busy with the lovey eyes on Mike.</P>


haha. I was wondering where the Nicks Jersey was. Tapout, really ?
</P>


I didn't even know what Tapout was until someone told me during the break. It was just a cool shirt I got at Modell's for 5 bucks.</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 12:53 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.
</p>


<u>Really. Name me a game that would have changed.</u> They almost all came in games we won.</p>


Would we have pulled out the Packer game. By the way the Packer game Nicks play was not on Nicks. He broke to the open field away from coverage and Eli threw it into coverage.</p>


Also i refuse to put most of the blame on Nicks for the goalline pick vs. Dallas. That play was completely covered and Eli threw it right into the hands of the defender. It was a terrible decision by Eli. All Nicks could have hoped for was to break it up. If you look at the first dallas game, Nicks scored a TD by making the exact move he made in that goal line play.</p>


And blame the TN game on the left handed throw. Or is it your view that it was a good play by Eli and he was the victim of mean old defenders?</p>stoooop, youve said MANY times that turnovers hurt us last season. what other way could they have hurt us? lol

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:54 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's. Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:55 PM
its over mh, i found another stache.


lol u have no idea about Luigi's stache - he better show up with it THICK for thee game lol
I won't trim it for a month. It will be wilder than a jungle thick cooch.


LMAO

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 12:56 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!
</p>


The chick who shot the video was Mike's (our other quitar player) girlfriend. She didn't focus on Good Ol' Morehead.</p>


I was sporting my Tapout T shirt and my black Giants SB championship hat. Gary (our lead singer) is from Philly and started the show wearing an Eagles hat. I said..."Gary, why aren't you wearing your championship hat like I am....OOOOOPS!"</p>


We were miked up at the time. got a nice laugh from the Pats fan crowd.</p>


I had plenty of solo's but the chick was to busy with the lovey eyes on Mike.</p>


haha. I was wondering where the Nicks Jersey was. Tapout, really ?
</p>


I didn't even know what Tapout was until someone told me during the break. It was just a cool shirt I got at Modell's for 5 bucks.</p>I understand if you like the style, but EVERYBODY is(or thinks they are)a tapout specialist where I live. I mean everyone of the kids have the hat, t-shirt etc. It's funny as hell when I see the 60+ year olds with a tapout jacket or sweatshirt on.

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 12:56 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's. Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.
</P>


You are right. We could have made the playoff despite Eli's reckless play.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:58 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>

bottom line - when u have two win or in games and the defense collapses and no shows - it doesn't matter. When you know its all on the line and u don't sack up, the story ends there

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 12:58 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!
</p>


The chick who shot the video was Mike's (our other quitar player) girlfriend. She didn't focus on Good Ol' Morehead.</p>


I was sporting my Tapout T shirt and my black Giants SB championship hat. Gary (our lead singer) is from Philly and started the show wearing an Eagles hat. I said..."Gary, why aren't you wearing your championship hat like I am....OOOOOPS!"</p>


We were miked up at the time. got a nice laugh from the Pats fan crowd.</p>


I had plenty of solo's but the chick was to busy with the lovey eyes on Mike.</p>haha. I was wondering where the Nicks Jersey was. Tapout, really ?


yea didn't peg u as a tapout guy pappy

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:00 PM
Here's the bottom line:</P>


MMB, Dez and (maybe) Lando are happy with Eli's play last year.</P>


Morehead, Tom Coughlin and Eli himself are not.</P>


I trust the second group more. Especially the handsome first guy.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:00 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's. Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.
</p>


You are right. We could have made the playoff despite Eli's reckless play.</p>

pappy can i ask, were u an athlete growing up? I am just curious

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 01:01 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>you JUST said they all came in wins besides greenbay!!!!! lol

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:01 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!
</P>


The chick who shot the video was Mike's (our other quitar player) girlfriend. She didn't focus on Good Ol' Morehead.</P>


I was sporting my Tapout T shirt and my black Giants SB championship hat. Gary (our lead singer) is from Philly and started the show wearing an Eagles hat. I said..."Gary, why aren't you wearing your championship hat like I am....OOOOOPS!"</P>


We were miked up at the time. got a nice laugh from the Pats fan crowd.</P>


I had plenty of solo's but the chick was to busy with the lovey eyes on Mike.</P>


haha. I was wondering where the Nicks Jersey was. Tapout, really ?


yea didn't peg u as a tapout guy pappy
</P>


I never heard of it until someone told me what it was. I honestly didn't know what the shirt said either.</P>


<FONT size=4>But I looked GOOD!!!!!!!</FONT></P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:02 PM
Here's the bottom line:</p>


MMB, Dez and (maybe) Lando are happy with Eli's play last year.</p>


Morehead, Tom Coughlin and Eli himself are not.</p>


I trust the second group more. Especially the handsome first guy.</p>

na its just not as overblown as u suggest and its not on his shoulders as much as u suggest with those picks

i do think Eli did a hell of a job with a band aided WR core in an offense that puts odds against you unless every body is on the same page

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:02 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</P>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</P>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</P>


you JUST said they all came in wins besides greenbay!!!!! lol
</P>


I said exactly the opposite. I said the picks that you actually blamed Eli for were in games we lost.</P>

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 01:05 PM
Pappi is rocking the guitar with Old Gunz---Great clip!
</p>


The chick who shot the video was Mike's (our other quitar player) girlfriend. She didn't focus on Good Ol' Morehead.</p>


I was sporting my Tapout T shirt and my black Giants SB championship hat. Gary (our lead singer) is from Philly and started the show wearing an Eagles hat. I said..."Gary, why aren't you wearing your championship hat like I am....OOOOOPS!"</p>


We were miked up at the time. got a nice laugh from the Pats fan crowd.</p>


I had plenty of solo's but the chick was to busy with the lovey eyes on Mike.</p>


haha. I was wondering where the Nicks Jersey was. Tapout, really ?


yea didn't peg u as a tapout guy pappy
</p>


I never heard of it until someone told me what it was. I honestly didn't know what the shirt said either.</p>


<font size="4">But I looked GOOD!!!!!!!</font></p>lol , oh god.

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:06 PM
Here's the bottom line:</P>


MMB, Dez and (maybe) Lando are happy with Eli's play last year.</P>


Morehead, Tom Coughlin and Eli himself are not.</P>


I trust the second group more. Especially the handsome first guy.</P>




na its just not as overblown as u suggest and its not on his shoulders as much as u suggest with those picks

i do think Eli did a hell of a job with a band aided WR core in an offense that puts odds against you unless every body is on the same page


</P>


No he didn't. He threw the ball up for grabs far too often. He was the benficiary of some great plays made by both Nicks and Manningham. Plays where the both turned short or medium passes into huge gains and/or TD's.</P>


He has two great playmakers on the outside. They catch the ball and are always looking to score.</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 01:06 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.
</p>


Really. Name me a game that would have changed.<u> They almost all came in games we won.</u></p>


Would we have pulled out the Packer game. By the way the Packer game Nicks play was not on Nicks. He broke to the open field away from coverage and Eli threw it into coverage.</p>


Also i refuse to put most of the blame on Nicks for the goalline pick vs. Dallas. That play was completely covered and Eli threw it right into the hands of the defender. It was a terrible decision by Eli. All Nicks could have hoped for was to break it up. If you look at the first dallas game, Nicks scored a TD by making the exact move he made in that goal line play.</p>


And blame the TN game on the left handed throw. Or is it your view that it was a good play by Eli and he was the victim of mean old defenders?</p>

DavenIII
08-18-2011, 01:09 PM
Morehead you are losing this argument.

Was Eli's play last year spectacular? no, was it better then what the stats show? yes, a million times yes, he was no less accurate and no less careful with the ball last year then any year previous...the increase in int's can be attributed to bad luck and new receivers and it will improve this year without a doubt....

if you really think he was more careless last year with the ball just cause the numbers ticked up then you weren't watching the same football games everyone else was....period.

and no I'm not going to go back and chronicle all the tipped passes that turned into ints or the messed up routes run by receivers....there's no need...it's common knowledge to anyone who watched the games....

if you wanna hate Eli...go ahead, but I refuse to hate our boy Eli...the leader of our NY Giants.

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 01:12 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>
NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/)
through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans
that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this
category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.

DavenIII
08-18-2011, 01:12 PM
No he didn't. He threw the ball up for grabs far too often. He was the benficiary of some great plays made by both Nicks and Manningham. Plays where the both turned short or medium passes into huge gains and/or TD's.</p>


</p>

This is so far from the truth I don't even know what to say....he threw the ball up for grabs to often? I don't know what your definition of too often is....he is a "gunslinger" type QB so he does do this....but he did it less last year then in 2009 and 2008 from my observations...he was just unlucky with tips and new receivers causing miscommunications last year.</p>


</p>

Nicks and Manningham have bright futures ahead of them....but they need to work on securing the ball when it hits their hands and chest and they need to listen to Eli's audibles at the line more carefully.</p>


</p>

Eli runs this passing game...not Nicks not Manningham....we let Smith go because we know Eli is the main component of our passing game.
</p>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:15 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>
NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/)
through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans
that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this
category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.


yea but then $340 then turns into $740 and then u'll know u want a game so then $800

and if u do that over coming here i'd be really upset with u

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:16 PM
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<p class="MsoNormal">Me</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Blondie</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">LT</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Lando </p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Sharick</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Kase</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Waiting to hear from:</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Pappy</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Pats</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Byron</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">S&amp;A</p>

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<p class="MsoNormal">Daven</p>

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<p class="MsoNormal">NOT COMING: </p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Lando ****er</p>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:16 PM
Morehead you are losing this argument.

Was Eli's play last year spectacular? no, was it better then what the stats show? yes, a million times yes, he was no less accurate and no less careful with the ball last year then any year previous...the increase in int's can be attributed to bad luck and new receivers and it will improve this year without a doubt....

if you really think he was more careless last year with the ball just cause the numbers ticked up then you weren't watching the same football games everyone else was....period.

and no I'm not going to go back and chronicle all the tipped passes that turned into ints or the messed up routes run by receivers....there's no need...it's common knowledge to anyone who watched the games....

if you wanna hate Eli...go ahead, but I refuse to hate our boy Eli...the leader of our NY Giants.
</P>


My problem with Eli is not accuracy really. I don't find him any less accurate than most above average QB's. (which I think he is). But you are wrong about his being careful with the ball. I saw Eli do what I hadn't seen him do since the Buffalo game in 07. I saw him make rookie decisions by throwing the ball far too often into coverage under the pressure of a pass rush.</P>


If I'm wrong, why then did TC make the comments he did that Eli needs to throw the ball away more and be willing to take more sacks?</P>


That is EXACTLY how I feel.</P>


So that's MMB, Dez, Daven on one side.</P>


and</P>


TC, Eli and Morehead on the other.</P>


I'm not sure about Lando.</P>


The Giants MB Hall of Shame on one side. And a SB winning head coach, a SB winning QB and our beloved Morehead on the other.</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:17 PM
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<P class=MsoNormal>NOT COMING: </P>
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</P>


I'm good for the draft and you know I'll be their for Thee game. I would like to sit with you guys this time though.</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 01:18 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>
NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/)
through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans
that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this
category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
edit: nfl sunday ticket is more than a ps3. hahaha

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:19 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</P>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</P>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:19 PM
Morehead you are losing this argument.

Was Eli's play last year spectacular? no, was it better then what the stats show? yes, a million times yes, he was no less accurate and no less careful with the ball last year then any year previous...the increase in int's can be attributed to bad luck and new receivers and it will improve this year without a doubt....

if you really think he was more careless last year with the ball just cause the numbers ticked up then you weren't watching the same football games everyone else was....period.

and no I'm not going to go back and chronicle all the tipped passes that turned into ints or the messed up routes run by receivers....there's no need...it's common knowledge to anyone who watched the games....

if you wanna hate Eli...go ahead, but I refuse to hate our boy Eli...the leader of our NY Giants.
</p>


My problem with Eli is not accuracy really. I don't find him any less accurate than most above average QB's. (which I think he is). But you are wrong about his being careful with the ball. I saw Eli do what I hadn't seen him do since the Buffalo game in 07. I saw him make rookie decisions by throwing the ball far too often into coverage under the pressure of a pass rush.</p>


If I'm wrong, why then did TC make the comments he did that Eli needs to throw the ball away more and be willing to take more sacks?</p>


That is EXACTLY how I feel.</p>


So that's MMB, Dez, Daven on one side.</p>


and</p>


TC, Eli and Morehead on the other.</p>


I'm not sure about Lando.</p>


The Giants MB Hall of Shame on one side. And a SB winning head coach, a SB winning QB and our beloved Morehead on the other.</p>

lol now whose too cute pappy?

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:20 PM
<p class="MsoNormal">GOOD FOR DRAFT DAY:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Me</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Blondie</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">LT</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lando </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sharick</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kase</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Waiting to hear from:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Pappy</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Pats</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Byron</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">S&amp;A</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lawl</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Daven</p>
<div style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 1pt;">
<p style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Coming to THEE Game:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Me</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Blondie </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kase</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Daven</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">MAYBE:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">LT</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">NOT COMING: </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lando ****er</p>


</p>


I'm good for the draft and you know I'll be their for Thee game. I would like to sit with you guys this time though.</p>

alrite well try and get that official this time

is the mrs going to experience us this time around?

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:21 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</p>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</p>

its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:22 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>
NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/)
through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans
that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this
category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
edit: nfl sunday ticket is more than a ps3. hahaha


unless PS3 pays you to get the ticket, its not

http://www.directstartv.com/directv_programming/directv_nfl-sunday-ticket.html

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:23 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</P>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</P>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</P>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</P>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:26 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</p>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</p>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</p>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</p>

wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:29 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</P>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</P>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</P>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</P>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</P>




wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?


</P>


I checked my bill. Its $66.99 per month for 5 months.</P>


My brother cancelled his directv and they gave him Sunday Ticket for free to resign. Which he did since he lost his Giants season't tickets.</P>


Friggin Cowboy fan.</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 01:29 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</p>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</p>jeeesh. sounds like somebodies getting a ps3???

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:30 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</p>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</p>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</p>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</p>




wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?


</p>


I checked my bill. Its $66.99 per month for 5 months.</p>


My brother cancelled his directv and they gave him Sunday Ticket for free to resign. Which he did since he lost his Giants season't tickets.</p>


Friggin Cowboy fan.</p>

dont they kill u with cancellation fees though? So wasn't it basically a push?

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:30 PM
and u never answered pappy, are you bringing the wife this go around?

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:33 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</P>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</P>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</P>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</P>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</P>




wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?


</P>


I checked my bill. Its $66.99 per month for 5 months.</P>


My brother cancelled his directv and they gave him Sunday Ticket for free to resign. Which he did since he lost his Giants season't tickets.</P>


Friggin Cowboy fan.</P>




dont they kill u with cancellation fees though? So wasn't it basically a push?
</P>


I don't know of any cancellation fees. He was way past his committment date.</P>


And no way I'm bringing my lovely bride. She would be a twitching mass of nerves after a half hour with you guys.</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:41 PM
Another Old Guns clip.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/user/Athenat231#p/a/u/1/_mFlUoP-YLU</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:43 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</p>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</p>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</p>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</p>




wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?


</p>


I checked my bill. Its $66.99 per month for 5 months.</p>


My brother cancelled his directv and they gave him Sunday Ticket for free to resign. Which he did since he lost his Giants season't tickets.</p>


Friggin Cowboy fan.</p>




dont they kill u with cancellation fees though? So wasn't it basically a push?
</p>


I don't know of any cancellation fees. He was way past his committment date.</p>


And no way I'm bringing my lovely bride. She would be a twitching mass of nerves after a half hour with you guys.</p>

I wanted to give her flowers - just so shes knows she not alone

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:44 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</P>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</P>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</P>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</P>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</P>




wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?


</P>


I checked my bill. Its $66.99 per month for 5 months.</P>


My brother cancelled his directv and they gave him Sunday Ticket for free to resign. Which he did since he lost his Giants season't tickets.</P>


Friggin Cowboy fan.</P>




dont they kill u with cancellation fees though? So wasn't it basically a push?
</P>


I don't know of any cancellation fees. He was way past his committment date.</P>


And no way I'm bringing my lovely bride. She would be a twitching mass of nerves after a half hour with you guys.</P>




I wanted to give her flowers - just so shes knows she not alone
</P>


In her love for me?</P>

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 01:45 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.
</p>


Really. Name me a game that would have changed. They almost all came in games we won.</p>


Would we have pulled out the Packer game. By the way the Packer game Nicks play was not on Nicks. He broke to the open field away from coverage and Eli threw it into coverage.</p>


Also i refuse to put most of the blame on Nicks for the goalline pick vs. Dallas. That play was completely covered and Eli threw it right into the hands of the defender. It was a terrible decision by Eli. All Nicks could have hoped for was to break it up. If you look at the first dallas game, Nicks scored a TD by making the exact move he made in that goal line play.</p>


And blame the TN game on the left handed throw. Or is it your view that it was a good play by Eli and he was the victim of mean old defenders?</p>
I think we were screwed for the Packers game due to the deflating loss the week before.

NOOOOOOOOOOO, I hated that play. I was actually going to mention that game specifically as one that could have made the difference. God that play was terrible. Brady would have never done that....

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 01:48 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>
As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 01:49 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's.<font color="#0000FF"> Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.</font>

2 years in a row no less....

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 01:53 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's. Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.
</p>


You are right. We could have made the playoff despite Eli's reckless play.</p>

pappy can i ask, were u an athlete growing up? I am just curious

Well considering when MH was growing up Baseball was just getting started, and basketball and football were not even around so I doubt it....

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:53 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</P>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</P>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</P>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</P>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</P>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</P>

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 01:55 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>
NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/)
through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans
that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this
category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.


yea but then $340 then turns into $740 and then u'll know u want a game so then $800

and if u do that over coming here i'd be really upset with u

"Almost makes me" lol I would never do that. I would play it for a while and then lose interest quickly. I barely have food in my fridge let alone money for that. ****ing sucks man. Why can't we all just have 7 0's in our bank account? It is literally going to kill me to not be there. I might cry that day and not even watch the game....

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:56 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's. Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.
</P>


You are right. We could have made the playoff despite Eli's reckless play.</P>




pappy can i ask, were u an athlete growing up? I am just curious

Well considering when MH was growing up Baseball was just getting started, and basketball and football were not even around so I doubt it....
</P>


Well I played baseball all my life. Played varsity at westen New England College.</P>


Played every sport in one way or another. All I really have left is golf (but I'm still pretty good at that)</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 01:57 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</P>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.


yea but then $340 then turns into $740 and then u'll know u want a game so then $800

and if u do that over coming here i'd be really upset with u

"Almost makes me" lol I would never do that. I would play it for a while and then lose interest quickly. I barely have food in my fridge let alone money for that. ****ing sucks man. Why can't we all just have 7 0's in our bank account? It is literally going to kill me to not be there. I might cry that day and not even watch the game....
</P>


We'll start a Lando cheer. Make sure to watch.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:57 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</p>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
</p>


I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</p>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
</p>


Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</p>




wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?


</p>


I checked my bill. Its $66.99 per month for 5 months.</p>


My brother cancelled his directv and they gave him Sunday Ticket for free to resign. Which he did since he lost his Giants season't tickets.</p>


Friggin Cowboy fan.</p>




dont they kill u with cancellation fees though? So wasn't it basically a push?
</p>


I don't know of any cancellation fees. He was way past his committment date.</p>


And no way I'm bringing my lovely bride. She would be a twitching mass of nerves after a half hour with you guys.</p>




I wanted to give her flowers - just so shes knows she not alone
</p>


In her love for me?</p>

in having to deal with ur inability to admit that your wrong

must be hard on her

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:58 PM
ughhh some of those tips are soo brutal...

Ohhhhhh yea, if our WR's catch half those passes we probably make the playoffs.
</p>


Really. Name me a game that would have changed. They almost all came in games we won.</p>


Would we have pulled out the Packer game. By the way the Packer game Nicks play was not on Nicks. He broke to the open field away from coverage and Eli threw it into coverage.</p>


Also i refuse to put most of the blame on Nicks for the goalline pick vs. Dallas. That play was completely covered and Eli threw it right into the hands of the defender. It was a terrible decision by Eli. All Nicks could have hoped for was to break it up. If you look at the first dallas game, Nicks scored a TD by making the exact move he made in that goal line play.</p>


And blame the TN game on the left handed throw. Or is it your view that it was a good play by Eli and he was the victim of mean old defenders?</p>
I think we were screwed for the Packers game due to the deflating loss the week before.

NOOOOOOOOOOO, I hated that play. I was actually going to mention that game specifically as one that could have made the difference. God that play was terrible. Brady would have never done that....


i really don't even kill him for that, he was trying to make a play...

it ended up being deflated if it happened we win the game and hes a ****in folk legend

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 01:58 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's.<font color="#0000ff"> Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.</font>

2 years in a row no less....


and in both years - it comes down to the defense

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:00 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>

u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:00 PM
DirecTV has decided to throw a bone to NFL fans that canít get satellite service.</P>


NFL Sunday Ticket will be available this year (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/08/17/directv-and-playstation-bring-nfl-sunday-ticket-to-ps3/) through PlayStation 3 for for $339.95. The package is aimed at fans that canít get DirecTV because of where they live. (I fall into this category in my latest apartment.

LANDO - U HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY U JUST MADE ME!

I am happy to help. I thought it is pretty ****ing cool they are doing that. Almost makes me want to get a PS3.
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally??? hmmmm anyone know how much it is on direct tv?
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I think I'm paying over $500 bucks.</P>




its free this year on direct TV

but it was typically like 350-400
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Its not free. Its only free for new subscribers.</P>




wow i'd be PISSSSED if i were u...

are u fresh with ur contract with them?


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I checked my bill. Its $66.99 per month for 5 months.</P>


My brother cancelled his directv and they gave him Sunday Ticket for free to resign. Which he did since he lost his Giants season't tickets.</P>


Friggin Cowboy fan.</P>




dont they kill u with cancellation fees though? So wasn't it basically a push?
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I don't know of any cancellation fees. He was way past his committment date.</P>


And no way I'm bringing my lovely bride. She would be a twitching mass of nerves after a half hour with you guys.</P>




I wanted to give her flowers - just so shes knows she not alone
</P>


In her love for me?</P>




in having to deal with ur inability to admit that your wrong

must be hard on her
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If it ever happens, I'll be glad to admit it.</P>


I did vote for Mike Dukakis is 1988. I was wrong about that.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:01 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's. Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.
</p>


You are right. We could have made the playoff despite Eli's reckless play.</p>




pappy can i ask, were u an athlete growing up? I am just curious

Well considering when MH was growing up Baseball was just getting started, and basketball and football were not even around so I doubt it....
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Well I played baseball all my life. Played varsity at westen New England College.</p>


Played every sport in one way or another. All I really have left is golf (but I'm still pretty good at that)</p>

varsity in college??

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:02 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</P>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</P>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</P>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</P>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</P>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</P>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</P>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</P>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:03 PM
In the face of all Eli's int's and our problems last year--true point that 1 defensive stop in the Eagles game and we go to the playoff's. Pretty amazing that a team could screw up as royally as we did and still be that close.
</P>


You are right. We could have made the playoff despite Eli's reckless play.</P>




pappy can i ask, were u an athlete growing up? I am just curious

Well considering when MH was growing up Baseball was just getting started, and basketball and football were not even around so I doubt it....
</P>


Well I played baseball all my life. Played varsity at westen New England College.</P>


Played every sport in one way or another. All I really have left is golf (but I'm still pretty good at that)</P>




varsity in college??
</P>


In baseball.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:05 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</p>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>

again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:10 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</P>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</P>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</P>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</P>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</P>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</P>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</P>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</P>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</P>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
</P>


The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</P>

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 02:10 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>
I totally agree. I always have a sinking feeling when Eli starts running around or is getting pressured. It's almost like most of the time you expect him to throw a pick vs make a nice pass. I have confidence in him but you just never know sometimes.....I expect him to be much better this year however.

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 02:15 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>

u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow

Yeah, I do not agree with his definition of gunslinger at all. In his definition I would argue any QB should be willing to stay there and take the hit. It is what you are supposed to do.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:17 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</p>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
</p>


The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</p>

more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:18 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>
I totally agree. I always have a sinking feeling when Eli starts running around or is getting pressured. It's almost like most of the time you expect him to throw a pick vs make a nice pass. I have confidence in him but you just never know sometimes.....I expect him to be much better this year however.


how many QBs do you NOT get that feelings for when they are forced out of the pocket or under pressure?

Isn't that exactly WHY we go so DE heavy? TO put that pressure on people? lol

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:18 PM
This is what Morehead is up against.</P>


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I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
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I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
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Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
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Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
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The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</p>

more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done

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This is what Morehead is up against.</p>


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stop taking the extremists

why bother with them

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stop taking the extremists

why bother with them

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:21 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
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I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</P>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</P>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
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Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</P>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</P>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
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Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</P>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</P>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
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The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</P>




more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done
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He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:22 PM
This is what Morehead is up against.</P>


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<DIV id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr__ctl0___PostRepeater__ctl1_Post ViewWrapper class=ForumPostContentText><FONT size=5>Peyton&gt;ELi&gt;Brady&gt;Rodgers&gt;all else </FONT></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>




stop taking the extremists

why bother with them
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No no. He's goes on the list with you, Daven and Dez.</P>


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:23 PM
Don't forget Matt, it was you who said yesterday that Eli was in Brady's class. This guy is just agreeing with you.

lawl
08-18-2011, 02:24 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
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I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted.* All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for.* Almost all can in games we lost.* They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
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Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli.* I'm not saying he's bad QB.* I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy).* But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage.* Thats not what a "gunslinger' does.** "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
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Those were mostly poor throws.* he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
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The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</p>

more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done

Just like every WR isn't perfect and isn't going to catch everything.

The more passes you throw that are "hard" to catch then the more drops/tips you're going to have and thus more interceptions.

It happens to eli more because he creates an opportunity for it to happen.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:24 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</p>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
</p>


The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</p>




more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done
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He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</p>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</p>

See now THIS is where you miss the reality of the situation.

First i'll even say that I agree sometimes he does get happy feet - NO WHERE near as much as you and others are making it seem. TOTALLY blowing it out of proportion.

BUT, he ALWAYS throws in coverage and this is why hes a gunslinger. The reality of it all is that MANY of his completions are balls thrown in to VERY tight spaces and windows and they get there. This is the problem, everbyody giving him **** doesn't give him credit for that. His ability to place balls sometimes is sick.

And i'll evne agree that when he is off - he is OFF. But when he is on he is ****ing 100x more smooth than u give him credit for.

And not for nothing but alot of the issue do come from running this run and shoot hybrid offense.

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 02:26 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>
I totally agree. I always have a sinking feeling when Eli starts running around or is getting pressured. It's almost like most of the time you expect him to throw a pick vs make a nice pass. I have confidence in him but you just never know sometimes.....I expect him to be much better this year however.


how many QBs do you NOT get that feelings for when they are forced out of the pocket or under pressure?

Isn't that exactly WHY we go so DE heavy? TO put that pressure on people? lol

Of the top QB's in the league, none of them. When you see Rodgers, Phillip, Peyton, Brady, Ben, Brees, Schaub or maybe even Romo run out of the pocket or get pressured f they don't see it they throw it away or run out of bounds. I don't care about them as much as Eli obviously but Morehead is right about making better decisions. I know Eli is not the most mobile guy but that pick to SS12 against the Colts is an example. He runs away and then throws it into triple coverage. Why?

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 02:26 PM
This is what Morehead is up against.</p>


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ABSUUUUUUUUUURD

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:27 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</p>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
</p>


The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</p>

more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done

Just like every WR isn't perfect and isn't going to catch everything.

The more passes you throw that are "hard" to catch then the more drops/tips you're going to have and thus more interceptions.

It happens to eli more because he creates an opportunity for it to happen.

see but i disagree at the assessment that any ball that isn't thrown perfectly is hard ball to cathc. Readjusting is part of the job - its obviously more difficult than catching a ball in stride wide open compared to catching a ball that get to u in the crowd where u may have to jump -- but this is what WRs are brought here to do. You HAVE to make those plays and if u dont, its not "well that was a tough one" its "you GOTTA make that play"

DavenIII
08-18-2011, 02:29 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</p>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</p>

He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:30 PM
Don't forget Matt, it was you who said yesterday that Eli was in Brady's class. This guy is just agreeing with you.

ur missing my general points...

How could somebody SOOOO great with all the wins, stats, and rings compared to somebody like Eli who has similiar stats, never had a losing record, and a ring

how could there be SUCH a difference where one is getting listed as greatest of all time while anothers fan base doesn't evne put him top 10. Its ridiculous pappy.

And my arguing was against somebody using stats to try and **** on Eli, i just defended him using the same protocol

Even to the point where Gumby admitted he was wrong

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:30 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</P>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</P>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</P>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</P>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</P>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</P>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</P>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</P>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</P>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
</P>


The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</P>




more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done
</P>


He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</P>




See now THIS is where you miss the reality of the situation.

First i'll even say that I agree sometimes he does get happy feet - NO WHERE near as much as you and others are making it seem. TOTALLY blowing it out of proportion.

BUT, he ALWAYS throws in coverage and this is why hes a gunslinger. The reality of it all is that MANY of his completions are balls thrown in to VERY tight spaces and windows and they get there. This is the problem, everbyody giving him **** doesn't give him credit for that. His ability to place balls sometimes is sick.

And i'll evne agree that when he is off - he is OFF. But when he is on he is ****ing 100x more smooth than u give him credit for.

And not for nothing but alot of the issue do come from running this run and shoot hybrid offense.
</P>


OK, that last line was funny. I sense a new theme in Matt's gameplan.</P>

lawl
08-18-2011, 02:31 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted.* All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for.* Almost all can in games we lost.* They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli.* I'm not saying he's bad QB.* I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy).* But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage.* Thats not what a "gunslinger' does.** "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</p>


Those were mostly poor throws.* he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
</p>


The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</p>

more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done

Just like every WR isn't perfect and isn't going to catch everything.

The more passes you throw that are "hard" to catch then the more drops/tips you're going to have and thus more interceptions.

It happens to eli more because he creates an opportunity for it to happen.

see but i disagree at the assessment that any ball that isn't thrown perfectly is hard ball to cathc. Readjusting is part of the job - its obviously more difficult than catching a ball in stride wide open compared to catching a ball that get to u in the crowd where u may have to jump -- but this is what WRs are brought here to do.* You HAVE to make those plays and if u dont, its not "well that was a tough one" its "you GOTTA make that play"


Similarly, Eli has GOTTA make a better throw on those same plays.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:31 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>
I totally agree. I always have a sinking feeling when Eli starts running around or is getting pressured. It's almost like most of the time you expect him to throw a pick vs make a nice pass. I have confidence in him but you just never know sometimes.....I expect him to be much better this year however.


how many QBs do you NOT get that feelings for when they are forced out of the pocket or under pressure?

Isn't that exactly WHY we go so DE heavy? TO put that pressure on people? lol

Of the top QB's in the league, none of them. When you see Rodgers, Phillip, Peyton, Brady, Ben, Brees, Schaub or maybe even Romo run out of the pocket or get pressured f they don't see it they throw it away or run out of bounds. I don't care about them as much as Eli obviously but Morehead is right about making better decisions. I know Eli is not the most mobile guy but that pick to SS12 against the Colts is an example. He runs away and then throws it into triple coverage. Why?


I would have to take Mobile QBs out of the mix just because if they have the threat to be decent with th erun its not an issue

but have u ever seen Peyton out of the pocket? Its one of the scariest things to see lol

Either way, why do we invest so much money into pass rushers? Answer that and you'll have your reality

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:33 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</p>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</p>

He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.


see like i dont even want to give Moorehead that inch to say that sometimes he does, because he takes that and runs and exaggerates it and makes it seem like its much more common and an issue than it is

but sometimes Eli DOES get happy feet - but again thats because i am being hoenst about the situation

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:36 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</P>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.
</P>


Don't even try to bring up the helmet catch. that was desperation time in the game. There are times when you have to take huge risks.</P>


I saw maybe one or two "good" passes that were picked. the rest were either high or thrown behind the WR or both.</P>


He panics in the face of the pass rush. Period. Its what Eli does.He doesn't wait in the pocket and be willing to take the hit to allow time for a WR to break open (like Phil did). He chucks and ducks a lot. By the way, so does Peyton. But Peyton is just a lot better at it than Eli.</P>


As Tom Coughlin and Morehead State both say.....He's has to throw it away more and be willing to take more sacks.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:36 PM
I don't think you are giving enough credit to Eli MH. We are all taught from a young age that if the ball hits your hands you should catch it...
</p>


I'll ask you to look at the list that Dezz posted. All those picks that he actually holds Eli responsible for. Almost all can in games we lost. They cost us the TN game, the second Dallas game and the first Philly game.</p>


Eli's turnovers, blamed on Eli by an Eli apologist, clearly cost us three games last year.</p>



As far as Eli goes, I am much more with you than I am with them. But I do think you need to cut him a little slack. Let's not even talk about sliding down and holding onto the ****ing ball. lol
</p>


Just drives me nuts the blinders some guys have with Eli. I'm not saying he's bad QB. I think he's well above average and quite honestly has made the most of his ability. (He's not exactly the most athletic guy). But this "gunslinger" nonsense and blaming everyone under the sun for his poor decisions or poor passes drives me nuts.</p>


He still panics in the pocket and rushes throws, often into coverage. Thats not what a "gunslinger' does. "Gunslinger" take hits in order to wait for a guy to break open.</p>




u try to pretend that balls the bounce of WRs hands are bad decisions, when in reality they are just bad plays by the WRs for not making the grabs


annnnddd here we go againnnn

Pappy makes his own definition of what a word means and expects us all to follow
</p>


Those were mostly poor throws. he tended to get the ball up early in games last year.</p>


But when you look at Dez's video, you see some absolutely horrible decisions. Real high school stuff.</p>




again either way i'd imagine that some of those balls are just completely unable to be determined WHOSE fault it is - both ways

I'll break it down when I ge thome
</p>


The Eli Cultists seem to be able to determine it very easily.......Its always someone else's fault.</p>

more like realists

we understand that QBs INTs go up in Gilbrides system

and anybody whose played football knows tha tballs don't alwyas come perfect to you, but if you get two hands on, even if u have to move ur arms up down to the right or left, its on YOU to get the job done

Just like every WR isn't perfect and isn't going to catch everything.

The more passes you throw that are "hard" to catch then the more drops/tips you're going to have and thus more interceptions.

It happens to eli more because he creates an opportunity for it to happen.

see but i disagree at the assessment that any ball that isn't thrown perfectly is hard ball to cathc. Readjusting is part of the job - its obviously more difficult than catching a ball in stride wide open compared to catching a ball that get to u in the crowd where u may have to jump -- but this is what WRs are brought here to do. You HAVE to make those plays and if u dont, its not "well that was a tough one" its "you GOTTA make that play"


Similarly, Eli has GOTTA make a better throw on those same plays.

well again we would have to break dwon specific plays on that though

I am SURE there are balls he has to make better throws on, but I also remembering some balls being put in places wher eonly the WR can get to and the WR not making the play. OR maybe Eli felt that where the ball was going was the safest place to put it...

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 02:37 PM
umps robbed the yanks baaad last night.

lawl
08-18-2011, 02:37 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't.

He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:38 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</p>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</p>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.
</p>


Don't even try to bring up the helmet catch. that was desperation time in the game. There are times when you have to take huge risks.</p>


I saw maybe one or two "good" passes that were picked. the rest were either high or thrown behind the WR or both.</p>


He panics in the face of the pass rush. Period. Its what Eli does.He doesn't wait in the pocket and be willing to take the hit to allow time for a WR to break open (like Phil did). He chucks and ducks a lot. By the way, so does Peyton. But Peyton is just a lot better at it than Eli.</p>


As Tom Coughlin and Morehead State both say.....He's has to throw it away more and be willing to take more sacks.</p>

and after the games where those tipped INTs happened hes also gone on to say that the WRs had to make those plays

it works both ways...

QBs are awlays going to throw INTs and make mistakes

the point is ELis inflated number is really an over exaggeration of how much change he needs to make

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:38 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</P>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.


see like i dont even want to give Moorehead that inch to say that sometimes he does, because he takes that and runs and exaggerates it and makes it seem like its much more common and an issue than it is

but sometimes Eli DOES get happy feet - but again thats because i am being hoenst about the situation
</P>


I don't give a **** about happy feet. Happy feet is overrated as a problem. He is NOT patient in the pocket. He's does not stand tall in the pocket like Brady. He chucks the ball very often too damn soon.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:39 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't.

He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:40 PM
hey lawl u gonna be DVRing the games and breaking films down this year?

I'm planning on it - would love to trade thoughts

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:40 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</P>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.
</P>


Don't even try to bring up the helmet catch. that was desperation time in the game. There are times when you have to take huge risks.</P>


I saw maybe one or two "good" passes that were picked. the rest were either high or thrown behind the WR or both.</P>


He panics in the face of the pass rush. Period. Its what Eli does.He doesn't wait in the pocket and be willing to take the hit to allow time for a WR to break open (like Phil did). He chucks and ducks a lot. By the way, so does Peyton. But Peyton is just a lot better at it than Eli.</P>


As Tom Coughlin and Morehead State both say.....He's has to throw it away more and be willing to take more sacks.</P>




and after the games where those tipped INTs happened hes also gone on to say that the WRs had to make those plays

it works both ways...

QBs are awlays going to throw INTs and make mistakes

the point is ELis inflated number is really an over exaggeration of how much change he needs to make
</P>


Honestly, as horrible as 25 is, its not the numbers that bothers me. Its what I see on the field. I saw more stupidity from Eli than I had seen since the Buffalo game in 07.</P>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:42 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</p>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</p>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.
</p>


Don't even try to bring up the helmet catch. that was desperation time in the game. There are times when you have to take huge risks.</p>


I saw maybe one or two "good" passes that were picked. the rest were either high or thrown behind the WR or both.</p>


He panics in the face of the pass rush. Period. Its what Eli does.He doesn't wait in the pocket and be willing to take the hit to allow time for a WR to break open (like Phil did). He chucks and ducks a lot. By the way, so does Peyton. But Peyton is just a lot better at it than Eli.</p>


As Tom Coughlin and Morehead State both say.....He's has to throw it away more and be willing to take more sacks.</p>




and after the games where those tipped INTs happened hes also gone on to say that the WRs had to make those plays

it works both ways...

QBs are awlays going to throw INTs and make mistakes

the point is ELis inflated number is really an over exaggeration of how much change he needs to make
</p>


Honestly, as horrible as 25 is, its not the numbers that bothers me. Its what I see on the field. I saw more stupidity from Eli than I had seen since the Buffalo game in 07.</p>

can u just be consistant with anything. Now the #25 isn't what bothers you but 2 hours ago on the Moon/Brunell debate it was

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 02:44 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</p>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</p>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.


see like i dont even want to give Moorehead that inch to say that sometimes he does, because he takes that and runs and exaggerates it and makes it seem like its much more common and an issue than it is

but sometimes Eli DOES get happy feet - but again thats because i am being hoenst about the situation
</p>


I don't give a **** about happy feet. Happy feet is overrated as a problem. He is NOT patient in the pocket. He's does not stand tall in the pocket like Brady. He chucks the ball very often too damn soon.</p>

Happy feet falls into not stepping into your throw.

Well i completely disagree with ur assessment. The fact that you take no consideration to what he was working wtih and a comfort level with his WRs really would make u this miserable over it. You need to really see the whole scenerio.

Guy had alot of **** to go through and still threw for 4k and 30 with his best completeion % of his career

I really just think ur being dramatic

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:47 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</P>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.


see like i dont even want to give Moorehead that inch to say that sometimes he does, because he takes that and runs and exaggerates it and makes it seem like its much more common and an issue than it is

but sometimes Eli DOES get happy feet - but again thats because i am being hoenst about the situation
</P>


I don't give a **** about happy feet. Happy feet is overrated as a problem. He is NOT patient in the pocket. He's does not stand tall in the pocket like Brady. He chucks the ball very often too damn soon.</P>




Happy feet falls into not stepping into your throw.

Well i completely disagree with ur assessment. The fact that you take no consideration to what he was working wtih and a comfort level with his WRs really would make u this miserable over it. You need to really see the whole scenerio.

Guy had alot of **** to go through and still threw for 4k and 30 with his best completeion % of his career

I really just think ur being dramatic
</P>


The old, stupid, rookie mistakes Eli showed up last season. Lets hope he stays home this year.</P>


BTW, people must love to come to this thread, because its all Eli on TAGF.</P>

lawl
08-18-2011, 02:49 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</P>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</P>


</P>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</P>

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 02:55 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</P>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</P>


</P>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</P>


</P>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </P>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</P>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</P>

lawl
08-18-2011, 03:04 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</P>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</P>


</P>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</P>


</P>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </P>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</P>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</P>


</P>


I wasnt inferring that he's a wuss or gutless, or anything like that. I was just wondering if anyone recalls seeing Eli step into a throw knowing he's going to have to take the hit.</P>

byron
08-18-2011, 03:05 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</P>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</P>


</P>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</P>


</P>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </P>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</P>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</P>hence lower sack #'s which imo overrated our oline last year.....but thats another story...a lot goes into each and every play ...just saying....

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 03:06 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</P>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</P>


</P>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</P>


</P>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </P>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</P>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</P>


</P>


I wasnt inferring that he's a wuss or gutless, or anything like that. I was just wondering if anyone recalls seeing Eli step into a throw knowing he's going to have to take the hit.</P>


</P>


No I know. It was a qualifyer to prevent Matt from telling me that I've never had to face an NFL pass rush.</P>


I know my MMB......It was coming.</P>

byron
08-18-2011, 03:11 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</P>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</P>


</P>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</P>


</P>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </P>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</P>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</P>


</P>


I wasnt inferring that he's a wuss or gutless, or anything like that. I was just wondering if anyone recalls seeing Eli step into a throw knowing he's going to have to take the hit.</P>Well I'm sure I have he's been on his backa lot times over the years but I can't pick a specific play...that being said taking hits is probably a sure way to getyourself hurt and hurt bad ...I would thinkone would want to avoid that ****....get down or throw the ball away...I would think

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 03:18 PM
http://bmichaelkrol.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eli1.jpg
"MH smells."

Morehead State
08-18-2011, 03:20 PM
http://bmichaelkrol.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/eli1.jpg
"MH smells."
</P>


Not bad Dez. </P>


You almost earn a "Z" back................Almost.</P>

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 03:31 PM
http://0.media.sportspickle.cvcdn.com/34/42/ea188adf03b4834968c3835f54704cb4.jpg
"if i have to listen to mh talk about turnovers one more time............"

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 03:34 PM
B-This Bathroom is in need of a renovation---that's is disgusting.

http://theothermccain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/trainspotting-toilet.jpg

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 03:35 PM
http://0.media.sportspickle.cvcdn.com/34/42/ea188adf03b4834968c3835f54704cb4.jpg
"if i have to listen to mh talk about turnovers one more time............"
Winner---Double Z-backs for Dezz

dezzzR
08-18-2011, 03:36 PM
B-This Bathroom is in need of a renovation---that's is disgusting.

http://theothermccain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/trainspotting-toilet.jpg

lol paaaaass. ughhh.

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 03:40 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't.

He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.
Oh stop, we have seen it. Just because it led to a pick doesn't mean anything. I will never question Eli's toughness....

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 03:41 PM
Buffalo game in 07.
Bradshaws run in that game was awesome....

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 03:42 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't.

He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.
Oh stop, we have seen it. Just because it led to a pick doesn't mean anything. I will never question Eli's toughness....
He's tough...last years pre-season game against the Jets was an indicator. Did anyone ever see the YA Tittle/Eli photo? Very cool compilation of the famous Ya Tittle pic alongside of Eli on his knees with blood dripping from the 2010 Jet's pre-season game.

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 03:44 PM
He panics in the pocket and throws into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</p>


It doesn't matter what system he's in. This is your "gunlinger".</p>




He doesn't panic I just don't see that AT ALL, he does throw into coverage...because he has a tremendous amount of confidence in his ability to get the ball to his receivers....does that cause a few more ints then someone like Kyle Orton or Sanchez or another game management type QB...sure...but it also results in plays like The Helmet Catch by David Tyree....you have to take that good with that bad....now last year...If you look at Eli's stats last year and make his 25 Ints 16 or 17.....it makes him look much better...and that would be a better representation of how he actually played because AT LEAST 8 or 9 of those int's last year were picture perfect placement and just ricocheted off our talented...yet young and inexperienced receivers hands, did he also throw into coverage and cause a few int's himself....of course....but you can't just ignore the plain fact that he made many good passes last year that ended up being int's.


see like i dont even want to give Moorehead that inch to say that sometimes he does, because he takes that and runs and exaggerates it and makes it seem like its much more common and an issue than it is

but sometimes Eli DOES get happy feet - but again thats because i am being hoenst about the situation
</p>


I don't give a **** about happy feet. Happy feet is overrated as a problem. He is NOT patient in the pocket. He's does not stand tall in the pocket like Brady. He chucks the ball very often too damn soon.</p>




Happy feet falls into not stepping into your throw.

Well i completely disagree with ur assessment. The fact that you take no consideration to what he was working wtih and a comfort level with his WRs really would make u this miserable over it. You need to really see the whole scenerio.

Guy had alot of **** to go through and still threw for 4k and 30 with his best completeion % of his career

I really just think ur being dramatic
</p>


The old, stupid, rookie mistakes Eli showed up last season. Lets hope he stays home this year.</p>


BTW, people must love to come to this thread, because its all Eli on TAGF.</p>

HE def had his bad plays - but again i think ur being dramatic to the extent of worrying like u are

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 03:45 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</p>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</p>


</p>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</p>

yea if ur into it im going to be doing it, just giving u a heads up. Are u gonna make it out for THEE game this year?

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 03:45 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</p>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</p>


</p>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</p>

yea if ur into it im going to be doing it, just giving u a heads up. Are u gonna make it out for THEE game this year?

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 03:45 PM
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/WM0n0YDZJgWU5GNsqNx4Kw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MzA7cT04NTt3PTQ2Ng--/http://media.zenfs.com/208/2011/08/17/003jimi-screen_204843.jpg
<font size="2">
</font><h2><font size="2">Texas artist Natalie Irish created this portrait of Jimi Hendrix
without touching a paintbrush. Instead, she applied bright lipstick and
kissed the canvas until Jimi emerged.</font></h2>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 03:46 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</p>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</p>


</p>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</p>


</p>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </p>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</p>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</p>

lol where did u pull that stat out of?

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 03:46 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</p>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</p>


</p>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</p>


</p>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </p>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</p>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</p>hence lower sack #'s which imo overrated our oline last year.....but thats another story...a lot goes into each and every play ...just saying....

i vaguely remember that as well specifically the first couple of games last year. As the year went on they got solid though

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 03:49 PM
Has anyone EVER seen Eli step into his throw when about to get hit instead of shy away? Because i haven't. He'll I've seen one preseason game of Ryan perilloux's and he's done it.

see like whats the response to that

yes i have..

like people see that comment and they literally think hes NEVER done it - its a crock

I do admit he gets happy feet sometimes, but its no where near as bad as some people are making it seem
</p>


Ive literally never seen him do it. Ive seen Flacco, Perriloux and Brady to it, but thats about it. And when I say "I've seen them do it" I mean that I remember seeing it happen. I'm sure I've seen other QBs do it, maybe even Eli, but I sure don't remember it. Do you truly remember seeing it happen, or are you just saying you saw it based on you thinking that he has to have atleast done it once?</p>


</p>


As for breaking down film, I can DVR the games, and give you my input on certain things that you want to discuss, but I'm not really interested in truly breaking down film and everything that goes with that.</p>


</p>


Anyone who plays QB in the NFL has a lot of guts. Having said that, Eli does a lot of chucking and ducking. He's not willing to take a hit in order to wait for a play to break open. </p>


Not a "gunslinger" (I still laugh everytime I see the words "gunslinger" and "Eli" in the same sentence)</p>


Thats why he has either one of ,or the shortest average time from snap to release.</p>


</p>


I wasnt inferring that he's a wuss or gutless, or anything like that. I was just wondering if anyone recalls seeing Eli step into a throw knowing he's going to have to take the hit.</p>


</p>


No I know. It was a qualifyer to prevent Matt from telling me that I've never had to face an NFL pass rush.</p>


I know my MMB......It was coming.</p>

it actually wasn't

but i'm glad im in ur head

http://howshealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/How-to-get-water-out-of-my-ear.jpg

bigblue4417
08-18-2011, 03:51 PM
Found this on Pro Football Talk in the comments of an Eli article.



NUMBERS DONT LIEEEEEEEEEEEEE</p>


DREW 2010 ELI 2010 </p>


TD 33 / 31</p>


INT 22 / 25</p>


Pass attempt 658 / 539 </p>


Tot/yards 4600 / 4000</p>


20+ yard/pass 47 / 57</p>

MattMeyerBud
08-18-2011, 03:53 PM
BYRON - PATS - DAVEN

Labor Day, Sept 5th the draft at 7pm est

are u good for that ?

And Pats and Byron are u guys going to come to THEE game this year vs Bills?

lttaylor56
08-18-2011, 04:01 PM
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/WM0n0YDZJgWU5GNsqNx4Kw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MzA7cT04NTt3PTQ2Ng--/http://media.zenfs.com/208/2011/08/17/003jimi-screen_204843.jpg
<font size="2">
</font><h2><font size="2">Texas artist Natalie Irish created this portrait of Jimi Hendrix
without touching a paintbrush. Instead, she applied bright lipstick and
kissed the canvas until Jimi emerged.</font></h2>
I'd like to see what she can do with a cherry stem [Y]