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ny06
09-06-2011, 09:38 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</P>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </P>


</P>


</P>


I have no idea how he hit that pitch on the second HR.</P>


My team is in huge injury trouble now. One friggin starting pitcher left. We just need to hold on to get in the tournament.</P>


</P>


Kid's got power, that was a pitchers pitch, and he blasted it to the stands. </P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 09:38 AM
Pappy - I agree with your assessment on Rice completely. Me and Lando were debatin gall week about it. I told him he should go Rice at 2.

I knew you wouldn't let a guy of his consistancy and ceiling get past you. Great pick


On a side note: I have a couple of players reoccuring on my teams that I need to go big this year: Calvin Johnson, Anquon Boldin, Jason Witten, and Tim Hightower
</p>


Don't you mean Dallas Clark?</p>


Calvin will be huge, maybe the best WR this year with the hope that Stafford will stay healthy. But we all know how UGA guys are big *******, so the jury is out on that one.</p>


Hightower seems like a good pick, but someone else might emerge in DC. Its a risk.</p>




na, I drafted 4 of my teams already. I have Witten on 2, Boldin on 2, CAlvin on 2, and Hightower on 3
</p>


Yeah I figured it was something like that after I responded. Witten will probably have a huge year. I would have waited for Romo in last nights draft until Rivers fell in my lap.</p>

i think Rivers and Brady are top 2 QBs in league when its all said and done this year fantasy wise

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 09:41 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</p>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</p>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</p>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</p>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</p>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</p>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</p>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</p>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</p>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</p>

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 09:41 AM
Pappy - I agree with your assessment on Rice completely. Me and Lando were debatin gall week about it. I told him he should go Rice at 2.

I knew you wouldn't let a guy of his consistancy and ceiling get past you. Great pick


On a side note: I have a couple of players reoccuring on my teams that I need to go big this year: Calvin Johnson, Anquon Boldin, Jason Witten, and Tim Hightower
</P>


Don't you mean Dallas Clark?</P>


Calvin will be huge, maybe the best WR this year with the hope that Stafford will stay healthy. But we all know how UGA guys are big *******, so the jury is out on that one.</P>


Hightower seems like a good pick, but someone else might emerge in DC. Its a risk.</P>




na, I drafted 4 of my teams already. I have Witten on 2, Boldin on 2, CAlvin on 2, and Hightower on 3
</P>


Yeah I figured it was something like that after I responded. Witten will probably have a huge year. I would have waited for Romo in last nights draft until Rivers fell in my lap.</P>




i think Rivers and Brady are top 2 QBs in league when its all said and done this year fantasy wise
</P>


Honestly, I think I have a top 2 QB, top 2 RB, top 2 WR and #1 Defense.And Jimmy Graham might be huge this year too.</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 09:43 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</P>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</P>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</P>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</P>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</P>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</P>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</P>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</P>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</P>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</P>




http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</P>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 09:44 AM
Pappy - I agree with your assessment on Rice completely. Me and Lando were debatin gall week about it. I told him he should go Rice at 2.

I knew you wouldn't let a guy of his consistancy and ceiling get past you. Great pick


On a side note: I have a couple of players reoccuring on my teams that I need to go big this year: Calvin Johnson, Anquon Boldin, Jason Witten, and Tim Hightower
</p>


Don't you mean Dallas Clark?</p>


Calvin will be huge, maybe the best WR this year with the hope that Stafford will stay healthy. But we all know how UGA guys are big *******, so the jury is out on that one.</p>


Hightower seems like a good pick, but someone else might emerge in DC. Its a risk.</p>




na, I drafted 4 of my teams already. I have Witten on 2, Boldin on 2, CAlvin on 2, and Hightower on 3
</p>


Yeah I figured it was something like that after I responded. Witten will probably have a huge year. I would have waited for Romo in last nights draft until Rivers fell in my lap.</p>




i think Rivers and Brady are top 2 QBs in league when its all said and done this year fantasy wise
</p>


Honestly, I think I have a top 2 QB, top 2 RB, top 2 WR and #1 Defense.And Jimmy Graham might be huge this year too.</p>

i love VJack

but hes def not top 2. Top 5-7 definitly.

And you know I agree wtih Rice and Rivers

Pitt is the best defense

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 09:44 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</P>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </P>


</P>


</P>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</P>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 09:45 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</p>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</p>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</p>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</p>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</p>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</p>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</p>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</p>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</p>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</p>




http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</p>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</p>


</p>

your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 09:46 AM
Pappy - one knock is u don't have a complete team

Your WR3 situation is a big questionmark

and while I do like Benson in the RB2 spot, i Think you hvae to have a better RB3 to get away wtih that

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 09:47 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</P>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</P>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</P>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</P>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</P>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</P>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</P>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</P>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</P>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</P>




http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</P>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</P>


</P>




your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year


</P>


1. He won't throw for 4000 yards. that you can bank. We are going to run it much more this season.</P>


2. Why do you think he won't throw a lot of picks? Your opinion is that they weren't his fault. Why wouldn't he be a "victim" just like last year?</P>

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 09:47 AM
Pappy - I agree with your assessment on Rice completely. Me and Lando were debatin gall week about it. I told him he should go Rice at 2.

I knew you wouldn't let a guy of his consistancy and ceiling get past you. Great pick


On a side note: I have a couple of players reoccuring on my teams that I need to go big this year: Calvin Johnson, Anquon Boldin, Jason Witten, and Tim Hightower
</p>


Calvin and Witten should have good years I would guess. Boldin in Baltimore is still shaky to me.

Hightower, although he SHOULD be better in washington....a RB on a mike shanahan team is either going on the IR or will just suck. lol</p>

i just like Boldin this year for a couple of reasons: 1) Finally got a legit deep threat to spread the ball, 2) should be looking for a big bounceback yeart, 3) Flacco gets better every year
I wanted Flaco as my B/u

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 09:48 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</p>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </p>


</p>


</p>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</p>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</p>
lol its going to be posada who next year

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 09:49 AM
LT's starting Line up: Thoughts?

<table id="statTable0" class="teamtable dragenabled" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><thead id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590625"><tr id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590624" class="headerRow1" valign="bottom"><th id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590641" class="pos first"><div nowrap="">Pos</div></th><th class="dragicon"><div nowrap="">Edit</div></th><th class="player"><div nowrap="">Offense</div></th><th id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590681" class="opp"><div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590680" nowrap="">Opp</div></th><th id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590623" class="gametime"><div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590622" nowrap="">Status</div></th><th class="stat wide desc"><div nowrap="">% Start</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">Yds</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">TD</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">Int</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">Yds</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">TD</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">Yds</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">TD</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">TD</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">2PT</div></th>
<th class="stat desc"><div nowrap="">Lost</div></th>
<th class="pts last"><div nowrap="">Fan Pts</div></th></tr></thead><tbody id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590627" class="dragenabled"><tr id="yui_3_3_0_30_1315316795906340" class="odd first draggable yui3-dd-drop droppable yui3-dd-draggable"><td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590640" class="pos first">QB</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590639" class="dragicon"></td>
<td class="player"><div nowrap="">Drew Brees (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5479) </div> <div class="detail"><span>(NO - QB)</span> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note_none.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5479/news) </div></td>

<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590679" class="opp">@GB</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_1315316795906101" class="gametime">Thu
5:30 pm</td>
<td class="stat wide">93%</td>
<td class="stat">4620</td>
<td class="stat">33</td>
<td class="stat">22</td>
<td class="stat">-3</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">7</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">2</td>
<td class="pts last">359.40</td>
</tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_30_1315316795906351" class="even draggable yui3-dd-drop droppable"><td class="pos first">WR</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590638" class="dragicon"></td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590637" class="player"><div nowrap="">Mike Wallace (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9348) </div> <div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590678" class="detail"><span>(Pit - WR)</span> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note_none.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9348/news) </div></td>

<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_1315316795906114" class="opp">@Bal</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_1315316795906102" class="gametime">Sun
10:00 am</td>
<td class="stat wide">94%</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">39</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">1257</td>
<td class="stat">10</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="pts last">189.60</td>
</tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_30_1315316795906360" class="odd draggable yui3-dd-drop droppable yui3-dd-draggable"><td class="pos first">WR</td>
<td class="dragicon"></td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590631" class="player"><div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590636" nowrap="">Jeremy Maclin (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9283) </div> <div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590632" class="detail"><span id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590634">(Phi - WR)</span> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note_none.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9283/news) </div></td>

<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590677" class="opp">@StL</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_1315316795906103" class="gametime">Sun
10:00 am</td>
<td class="stat wide">75%</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">36</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">964</td>
<td class="stat">10</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">1</td>
<td class="pts last">158.00</td>
</tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_30_1315316795906369" class="even draggable yui3-dd-drop droppable"><td class="pos first">WR</td>
<td class="dragicon"></td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590630" class="player"><div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590629" nowrap="">Deion Branch (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5951) </div> <div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590675" class="detail"><span id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590674">(NE - WR)</span> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note_none.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5951/news) </div></td>

<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590628" class="opp">@Mia</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590626" class="gametime">Mon
4:00 pm</td>
<td class="stat wide">10%</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">818</td>
<td class="stat">6</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">1</td>
<td class="pts last">115.80</td>
</tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_30_1315316795906378" class="odd draggable yui3-dd-drop droppable"><td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590644" class="pos first">RB</td>
<td class="dragicon"></td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590671" class="player"><div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590673" nowrap="">Jamaal Charles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8850) </div> <div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590670" class="detail"><span>(KC - RB)</span> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note_none.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8850/news) </div></td>

<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590669" class="opp">Buf</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590668" class="gametime">Sun
10:00 am</td>
<td class="stat wide">96%</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">1467</td>
<td class="stat">5</td>
<td class="stat">468</td>
<td class="stat">3</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">2</td>
<td class="pts last">237.50</td>
</tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_30_1315316795906387" class="even draggable yui3-dd-drop droppable"><td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590645" class="pos first">RB</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590647" class="dragicon"><em id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590646">[/i]</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590648" class="player"><div nowrap="">BenJarvus Green-Ellis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9039) </div> <div id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590650" class="detail"><span id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590649">(NE - RB)</span> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note_none.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9039/news) </div></td>

<td class="opp">@Mia</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590654" class="gametime">Mon
4:00 pm</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590655" class="stat wide">45%</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590656" class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">1008</td>
<td class="stat">13</td>
<td class="stat">85</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="stat">0</td>
<td class="pts last">187.30</td>
</tr><tr id="yui_3_3_0_30_1315316795906396" class="odd draggable yui3-dd-drop droppable"><td class="pos first">TE</td>
<td class="dragicon"></td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590651" class="player"><div nowrap="">Kellen Winslow (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6765) </div> <div class="detail"><span>(TB - TE)</span> http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/fn/default/full/p_note_none.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6765/news) </div></td>

<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590652" class="opp">Det</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590653" class="gametime">Sun
10:00 am</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590667" class="stat wide">67%</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590657" class="stat">0</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590658" class="stat">0</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590659" class="stat">0</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590660" class="stat">0</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590661" class="stat">0</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590662" class="stat">730</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590663" class="stat">5</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590664" class="stat">0</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590665" class="stat">0</td>
<td id="yui_3_3_0_11_131531679590666" class="stat">
</td></tr></tbody></table>

ny06
09-06-2011, 09:49 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</P>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </P>


</P>


</P>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</P>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</P>


</P>


If he keeps hitting the ball like he did yesterday then the Yankees will have to find ways to put him in the lineup. </P>


As of now he will be sharingthe dh spot against lefties with Andruw Jones.</P>


</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 09:51 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</P>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </P>


</P>


</P>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</P>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</P>



lol its going to be posada who next year
</P>


Geez Matt. Whats with all these scoring changes in the league. 3 and outs forced? Missed FGs inside 19 yards. Yards allowed? Did we vote on these?</P>

ny06
09-06-2011, 09:52 AM
Morehead</P>


I told you the Yankees would be in 1st place in September...</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 09:55 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</p>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</p>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</p>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</p>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</p>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</p>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</p>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</p>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</p>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</p>




http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</p>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</p>


</p>




your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year


</p>


1. He won't throw for 4000 yards. that you can bank. We are going to run it much more this season.</p>


2. Why do you think he won't throw a lot of picks? Your opinion is that they weren't his fault. Why wouldn't he be a "victim" just like last year?</p>

I would think that the route running would get better, assuming our WRs stay healthy. Would have to think that these balls that bounce off of our WRs hands for a significan amount of times won't happen as well. it was very flukey

i bet you entry fee into fantasy for the over of 3999.5 for eli

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 09:55 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</p>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </p>


</p>


</p>


I have no idea how he hit that pitch on the second HR.</p>


My team is in huge injury trouble now. One friggin starting pitcher left. <u>We just need to hold on to get in the tournament.</u></p>watch out for the rays.....

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 09:56 AM
MMB=Gmail Email.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 09:56 AM
Morehead</P>


I told you the Yankees would be in 1st place in September...</P>


</P>


It is what it is. Right now we need to hold on and win some games. I really don't know what our rotation is going to be moving forward.</P>


Lester, and um...........and then maybe...............</P>


Well essentially its Lester and hope for 4 rain outs. If we can hold on until Beckett and Berard come back we can still have a glorious championship.</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 09:57 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</P>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</P>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</P>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</P>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</P>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</P>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</P>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</P>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</P>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</P>




http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</P>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</P>


</P>




your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year


</P>


1. He won't throw for 4000 yards. that you can bank. We are going to run it much more this season.</P>


2. Why do you think he won't throw a lot of picks? Your opinion is that they weren't his fault. Why wouldn't he be a "victim" just like last year?</P>




I would think that the route running would get better, assuming our WRs stay healthy. Would have to think that these balls that bounce off of our WRs hands for a significan amount of times won't happen as well. it was very flukey

i bet you entry fee into fantasy for the over of 3999.5 for eli
</P>


Yeah...that terrible route running and bad hands got us the top WR tandem in football.</P>


You are absolutley nuts with this WR hate.</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 09:59 AM
If Eli had about 3500 yards and 27 TD's or so and kept the ints under 15, we have a chance to have a good team</P>


</P>

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 09:59 AM
When is the deadline that I have to have my starters in place for each week's games?

Thurs Games---Deadline?
Sat/Sun Games---Deadline?

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:01 AM
Morehead</P>


I told you the Yankees would be in 1st place in September...</P>


</P>


let me answer for him....</P>


"injury, blah blah...pitcher...blah blah...injured..etc etc...DL...etc etc...we're awesome"</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:02 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</p>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </p>


</p>


</p>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</p>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</p>



lol its going to be posada who next year
</p>


Geez Matt. Whats with all these scoring changes in the league. 3 and outs forced? Missed FGs inside 19 yards. Yards allowed? Did we vote on these?</p>

yea i think we did - thats why blondie created the league in the format of my other league

because I worked on that for like a day and brought it up in here

Don't worry papy, the totals come out ot hte same pretty much. There isn't like an increase in defensive scoring week to week. Just a different, more accurate way of showing a defenses performance

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:02 AM
When is the deadline that I have to have my starters in place for each week's games?

Thurs Games---Deadline?
Sat/Sun Games---Deadline?
</P>


Right up to just a few minutes before game time. If you have a thursday game you can't move any players in that game after the game has started. Same is true of a 1 oclock game vs 4 oclock and so on. If its a 1:05 start, you have until 1:00</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 10:02 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</p>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </p>


</p>


</p>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</p>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</p>pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:05 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</P>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </P>


</P>


</P>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</P>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</P>



lol its going to be posada who next year
</P>


Geez Matt. Whats with all these scoring changes in the league. 3 and outs forced? Missed FGs inside 19 yards. Yards allowed? Did we vote on these?</P>




yea i think we did - thats why blondie created the league in the format of my other league

because I worked on that for like a day and brought it up in here

Don't worry papy, the totals come out ot hte same pretty much. There isn't like an increase in defensive scoring week to week. Just a different, more accurate way of showing a defenses performance

</P>


I don't know about that. The new scoring takes away a bit the playmaking element of defense and adds the yardage totals. For instance, it not a lot but the sack value went from 1 to .75 and the 3 and outs and 4th down stops ect... i agree iys a better reflection of overall defense, but we are drafting defense based on turnovers created, sack and other "playmaking" factors.</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 10:05 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</p>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</p>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</p>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</p>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</p>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</p>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</p>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</p>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</p>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</p>




http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</p>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</p>


</p>




your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year


</p>


1. He won't throw for 4000 yards. that you can bank. We are going to run it much more this season.</p>


2. <u>Why do you think he won't throw a lot of picks?</u> Your opinion is that they weren't his fault. Why wouldn't he be a "victim" just like last year?</p>why do you think he will????

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 10:06 AM
what was ur question LT?I think I experimented--drag and drop players from bench spots to replace active roster positions. I was wondering if I could swap a better tight end for a less performing wr, but I don't believe I can.</p>


</p>


na u can't start a WR for a TE</p>


</p>


we aren't setup like that. Its possible, but its just not how we structured the league</p>


</p>


and btw, u dont need 2 kickers. U can pick a kicker up atanytime.</p>


</p>


I didn't even draft a kicker. Dime a dozen</p>


? Could I sub a te for a wr? </p>


How will you pickup a kicker? So, in effect I wasted 2 picks on kickers?</p>


</p>


</p>


there is a free agent wire for players that werent drafted</p>


</p>


u can add and release players. I will be adding a kicker before sunday but my theory is that kickers are a dime a dozen and so i'd rather try and grab an extra player incase one of my players go down. Just extra value.</p>


</p>


Def keep one kicker</p>


</p>


no u can't sub a WR for a TE</p>


I can release a kicker for a FA player? I guess Drawback is if FA player never get's picked up?</p>


</p>


nononon </p>


for instance</p>


</p>


Derrick Mason wasn't drafted. So he is a free agent in our league. U can cut a kicker and sign him to your team</p>1 more ? The free agency wire you mentioned is that the link below? This is where I can drop and gain available players?

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players?myteam=1

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 10:07 AM
Morehead</p>


I told you the Yankees would be in 1st place in September...</p>


</p>


let me answer for him....</p>


"injury, blah blah...pitcher...blah blah...injured..etc etc...DL...etc etc...we're awesome"</p>lol

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:11 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</p>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</p>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</p>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</p>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</p>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</p>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</p>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</p>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</p>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</p>




http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players#psh=%2Ff1%2F236459%2Fplayers%3Fstatus%3DAL L%26pos%3DQB%26cut_type%3D9%26stat1%3DS_S_2010%26m yteam%3D0%26sort%3DPTS%26sdir%3D1


Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</p>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</p>


</p>




your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year


</p>


1. He won't throw for 4000 yards. that you can bank. We are going to run it much more this season.</p>


2. Why do you think he won't throw a lot of picks? Your opinion is that they weren't his fault. Why wouldn't he be a "victim" just like last year?</p>




I would think that the route running would get better, assuming our WRs stay healthy. Would have to think that these balls that bounce off of our WRs hands for a significan amount of times won't happen as well. it was very flukey

i bet you entry fee into fantasy for the over of 3999.5 for eli
</p>


Yeah...that terrible route running and bad hands got us the top WR tandem in football.</p>


You are absolutley nuts with this WR hate.</p>

first off - while they have been great for us - they have also dropped balls they should of dropped. Are you denying this? I mean TO was probably the best or second best WR i've ever seen play and he dropped balls all the time. Is it not possible to be good and be a player that makes mistakes?

And please go give ma percentage of WRs that Eli had to throw to that didn't make the 52 man roster last year... get real with what last year was. Between Nicks missing time, Smith going down for the year, Barden going down - we had guys that we're signed mid year to go start for us...

ohh yea - and derek hagan. Your a fool

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:11 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</P>


DH....</P>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And Chavez hasn't been playing much...and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:14 AM
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/jesus-montero.jpg?w=300</p>


Jesus Montero blasts two homeruns in a Yankee victory. </p>


</p>


</p>


My roommate has been HATIN' on him....I dont get it. I'm like, dude, it's his first time in the majors...he's like "i'm jsut not excited about him..."
I think he was too big of a Posada fan or something, and doesn't accept the fact that it's over. lol
sounds like a certain flake we know lol</p>


anyway....Montero should be an every day player. I'm all about him as the Yanks attempt to get younger in the coming years.</p>



lol its going to be posada who next year
</p>


Geez Matt. Whats with all these scoring changes in the league. 3 and outs forced? Missed FGs inside 19 yards. Yards allowed? Did we vote on these?</p>




yea i think we did - thats why blondie created the league in the format of my other league

because I worked on that for like a day and brought it up in here

Don't worry papy, the totals come out ot hte same pretty much. There isn't like an increase in defensive scoring week to week. Just a different, more accurate way of showing a defenses performance

</p>


I don't know about that. The new scoring takes away a bit the playmaking element of defense and adds the yardage totals. For instance, it not a lot but the sack value went from 1 to .75 and the 3 and outs and 4th down stops ect... i agree iys a better reflection of overall defense, but we are drafting defense based on turnovers created, sack and other "playmaking" factors.</p>

Well 3 and outs, 4th down stops aren't playmaking ability?

points given up isn't really playmaking and we added that. I just basically balanced the yards with the points. PLUS the difference in the sacks is typically made up in the loss of yardage. It does balance out

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:16 AM
what was ur question LT?I think I experimented--drag and drop players from bench spots to replace active roster positions. I was wondering if I could swap a better tight end for a less performing wr, but I don't believe I can.</p>


</p>


na u can't start a WR for a TE</p>


</p>


we aren't setup like that. Its possible, but its just not how we structured the league</p>


</p>


and btw, u dont need 2 kickers. U can pick a kicker up atanytime.</p>


</p>


I didn't even draft a kicker. Dime a dozen</p>


? Could I sub a te for a wr? </p>


How will you pickup a kicker? So, in effect I wasted 2 picks on kickers?</p>


</p>


</p>


there is a free agent wire for players that werent drafted</p>


</p>


u can add and release players. I will be adding a kicker before sunday but my theory is that kickers are a dime a dozen and so i'd rather try and grab an extra player incase one of my players go down. Just extra value.</p>


</p>


Def keep one kicker</p>


</p>


no u can't sub a WR for a TE</p>


I can release a kicker for a FA player? I guess Drawback is if FA player never get's picked up?</p>


</p>


nononon </p>


for instance</p>


</p>


Derrick Mason wasn't drafted. So he is a free agent in our league. U can cut a kicker and sign him to your team</p>1 more ? The free agency wire you mentioned is that the link below? This is where I can drop and gain available players?

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/236459/players?myteam=1


yes exactly

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:18 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</p>


DH....</p>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And Chavez hasn't been playing much...and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</p>

yahoo is a step up more credible than bleacher report

thats not saiyng much

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:18 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</P>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</P>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</P>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</P>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</P>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</P>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</P>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</P>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</P>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</P>




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Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</P>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</P>


</P>




your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year


</P>


1. He won't throw for 4000 yards. that you can bank. We are going to run it much more this season.</P>


2. Why do you think he won't throw a lot of picks? Your opinion is that they weren't his fault. Why wouldn't he be a "victim" just like last year?</P>




I would think that the route running would get better, assuming our WRs stay healthy. Would have to think that these balls that bounce off of our WRs hands for a significan amount of times won't happen as well. it was very flukey

i bet you entry fee into fantasy for the over of 3999.5 for eli
</P>


Yeah...that terrible route running and bad hands got us the top WR tandem in football.</P>


You are absolutley nuts with this WR hate.</P>




first off - while they have been great for us - they have also dropped balls they should of dropped. Are you denying this? I mean TO was probably the best or second best WR i've ever seen play and he dropped balls all the time. Is it not possible to be good and be a player that makes mistakes?

And please go give ma percentage of WRs that Eli had to throw to that didn't make the 52 man roster last year... get real with what last year was. Between Nicks missing time, Smith going down for the year, Barden going down - we had guys that we're signed mid year to go start for us...

ohh yea - and derek hagan. Your a fool
</P>


No I don't agree. All WR's drop passes on occasion. I don't think MM or Nicks are any worse that average at all. As a matter of fact, Nicks is far better than average with his hands. But they are GREAT playmakers, and despite all the "passes deflected off WR hands and hurt Eli's stats" claims, they also turned routine gains into TD's with their great playmaking ability, enhancing Eli's yards and TD's. You tend to ignore this fact convieniently.</P>


And if you didn't notice, Steve Smith aint on this team anymore. Are you going to use that as an excuse too?</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 10:22 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</p>


DH....</p>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <u>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</u>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</p>alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:24 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</P>


DH....</P>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <U>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</U>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</P>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</P>


Why wouldn't they DH him?</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:24 AM
mornin errrbody. hope ya guys had a good weekend, and a good draft night =PJP--Brees is my starting QB.
</p>


LT you are talking to the only guy who ever whined about having Drew Brees as his starting QB.</p>


I think it was you MH? Two times my intended pic was scapped up by the guy just before me....first time they took Brady and next time they took Witten. It gave me a little more confidence that my position selection was accurate for the given round.
</p>


Not me. I have Rivers and Whitten was actually grabbed one pick before I was going to take him. Just gotta go with the BPA. With no flex this year, every team has some weakness at one position. With me its RB depth.</p>




i've got to be honest. I like my team and think I have depth

Maybe a little weaker with backup RB

but I have high hopes for starks
</p>


Your QB situation is very tough. Even if manning comes back, he has lost strength in his upper body. It may be mid season until he is OK. That is if he plays this year. And that puts Clark at risk.</p>


Starks is a ? because he's splitting carries at best. I guess he might be goalline. Same as Mcgahee for me.</p>




na I like Freeman this year... top 7 QB last year and wasn't even starting out of the gate...

I feel EXTREMELY solid at QB. And I even think Cutler will improve from last year
</p>


Well Freeman is a really nice player but not sure if he's FF good. He looked almost as bad as Eli in preseason. And thats really bad.</p>


How about Lawl starting Eli. Is it really minus 3 for ints this year?</p>




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Freeman literally finished top 7 in fantasy last year

I like going with Eli - He has a rock solid team. I REALLY like his team
</p>


Ours is a QB league.. Eli is a backup, especially with the picks</p>


</p>




your right and he throws for 4k and 30 TDs

the picks wion't be near as bad as they were last year


</p>


1. He won't throw for 4000 yards. that you can bank. We are going to run it much more this season.</p>


2. Why do you think he won't throw a lot of picks? Your opinion is that they weren't his fault. Why wouldn't he be a "victim" just like last year?</p>




I would think that the route running would get better, assuming our WRs stay healthy. Would have to think that these balls that bounce off of our WRs hands for a significan amount of times won't happen as well. it was very flukey

i bet you entry fee into fantasy for the over of 3999.5 for eli
</p>


Yeah...that terrible route running and bad hands got us the top WR tandem in football.</p>


You are absolutley nuts with this WR hate.</p>




first off - while they have been great for us - they have also dropped balls they should of dropped. Are you denying this? I mean TO was probably the best or second best WR i've ever seen play and he dropped balls all the time. Is it not possible to be good and be a player that makes mistakes?

And please go give ma percentage of WRs that Eli had to throw to that didn't make the 52 man roster last year... get real with what last year was. Between Nicks missing time, Smith going down for the year, Barden going down - we had guys that we're signed mid year to go start for us...

ohh yea - and derek hagan. Your a fool
</p>


No I don't agree. All WR's drop passes on occasion. I don't think MM or Nicks are any worse that average at all. As a matter of fact, Nicks is far better than average with his hands. But they are GREAT playmakers, and despite all the "passes deflected off WR hands and hurt Eli's stats" claims, they also turned routine gains into TD's with their great playmaking ability, enhancing Eli's yards and TD's. You tend to ignore this fact convieniently.</p>


And if you didn't notice, Steve Smith aint on this team anymore. Are you going to use that as an excuse too?</p>

seeing as how we set the world record for most tipped passes that went for INTs in a season - i'd say it def had something to do wtih the inflation of the numbers. Hence why its flukey so im not worried about the INT total being as high..

REgardless of how great they are - those were big contributions to elis high INTs last year. Undeniable, no matter how bad u want to blow Nicks and Mario

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:26 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</P>


DH....</P>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <U>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</U>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</P>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</P>


nah....I mean we knew Montero was a mediocre catcher prior to this season. I dont know if he has developed at all or not. But I think he will be this team's DH until...well honestly, until Swisher isn't here. Or Teixeira....but I don't see either of them leaving soon lol, so....because he isn't as defensively sound as Martin or Cervelli, DH is a good spot I guess. Maybe catch on occasion.</P>

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:26 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</P>


DH....</P>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <U>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</U>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</P>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</P>


nah....I mean we knew Montero was a mediocre catcher prior to this season. I dont know if he has developed at all or not. But I think he will be this team's DH until...well honestly, until Swisher isn't here. Or Teixeira....but I don't see either of them leaving soon lol, so....because he isn't as defensively sound as Martin or Cervelli, DH is a good spot I guess. Maybe catch on occasion.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:26 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</p>


DH....</p>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <u>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</u>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</p>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</p>


Why wouldn't they DH him?</p>

who Chavez?

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:27 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</P>


DH....</P>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <U>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</U>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</P>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</P>


Why wouldn't they DH him?</P>




who Chavez?
</P>


No...Montero.</P>

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:27 AM
Why wouldn't they DH him?


</P>


which are you referring to?</P>

ny06
09-06-2011, 10:29 AM
Girardi has already stated that Montero will more then likely just be the dh for this season &amp; post-season. </P>


He hasen't worked with the pitching staff since spring training. </P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:31 AM
And you can forget that BS excuse about the tipped passes this year. Yes, Eli had tipped passes for picks. Some were clearly not on him, but most of those throws were bad. Way too high and those passes are often going to get deflected in the air. It doesn't matter what you think about WR's getting hands on passes. They are going to often get tipped. passes at the numbers are rarley tipped in the air. Passes above the head are.</P>


He threw one pass over Barden's head last year (what is Barden, like 6'7"?) And you guys claimed it was not on Eli. It was a horrible pass.</P>


Forget that tipped pass bull****, if he doesn't get those throws down this year, he's going to have 20+ picks again.</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 10:34 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</p>


DH....</p>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <u>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</u>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</p>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</p>


Why wouldn't they DH him?</p>chavez? cause he doesnt have power. pretty decent hitter for us though. came up big in a few spots. one against the sox if im not mistaken.[:O]

montero has been dhing

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 10:34 AM
lando's team is pitiful, anyone agree?</p>


</p>


dunn owhy he has beanie starting, he has sjax and felix on bench. Hes def weak at WRs but i LOOOVVVEEE Stafford this year</p>


</p>


i think he was still drafting for teh flex</p>


</p>


Im high on stafford too, but hes a piece of glass.</p>
There was just never a decent WR when I was picking. It had to be a reach every time and I was not going to do it. I just need to get a better 2nd WR. Pitiful is a bit much I think. lol

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:36 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </P>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 10:37 AM
And you can forget that BS excuse about the tipped passes this year.<u> Yes, Eli had tipped passes for picks. Some were clearly not on him, </u>but most of those throws were bad. Way too high and those passes are often going to get deflected in the air. It doesn't matter what you think about WR's getting hands on passes. They are going to often get tipped. passes at the numbers are rarley tipped in the air. Passes above the head are.</p>


He threw one pass over Barden's head last year (what is Barden, like 6'7"?) And you guys claimed it was not on Eli. It was a horrible pass.</p>


Forget that tipped pass bull****, if he doesn't get those throws down this year, he's going to have 20+ picks again.</p>congratulations matt. took a few months but you got him.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:38 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</P>


DH....</P>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <U>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</U>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</P>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</P>


Why wouldn't they DH him?</P>


chavez? cause he doesnt have power. pretty decent hitter for us though. came up big in a few spots. one against the sox if im not mistaken.[:O]

montero has been dhing



</P>


Why are these two guys arguing about catcher? They aren't going to start a rook at catcher in the playoffs.</P>


You gotta handle pitchers. thats crazy talk.</P>

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 10:39 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </p>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</p>I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 10:40 AM
pump your breaks pizzle. im excited about him too but an everyday player? where do you put him? especially with martin and cervelli hitting well. hes looks pretty good but for all we know he could be the next shelly duncan.
</p>


DH....</p>


gotta go with the hot bat...
Martin and Cervelli are the better catchers, so why move them?

The only other guys we got at DH are Chavez and Andruw Jones. And <u>Chavez hasn't been playing much.</u>..and doesnt really have much power. He does however hit in spots we really need him to.

and Yahoo reports that Posada is benched for good, unless we need pinch hitter or run into injury problems. But it's September, so....yea he's done.</p>


alright i thought you wanted him to start over martin and cervelli. lol
and yes he has. hes was filling in for arod and did a good job.
</p>


Why wouldn't they DH him?</p>


chavez? cause he doesnt have power. pretty decent hitter for us though. came up big in a few spots. one against the sox if im not mistaken.[:O]

montero has been dhing



</p>


Why are these two guys arguing about catcher? They aren't going to start a rook at catcher in the playoffs.</p>


You gotta handle pitchers. thats crazy talk.</p>cause i thought that was what pizzle was implying, but he wasnt.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:40 AM
And you can forget that BS excuse about the tipped passes this year.<U> Yes, Eli had tipped passes for picks.</U> Some were clearly not on him, but most of those throws were bad. Way too high and those passes are often going to get deflected in the air. It doesn't matter what you think about WR's getting hands on passes. They are going to often get tipped. passes at the numbers are rarley tipped in the air. Passes above the head are.</P>


He threw one pass over Barden's head last year (what is Barden, like 6'7"?) And you guys claimed it was not on Eli. It was a horrible pass.</P>


Forget that tipped pass bull****, if he doesn't get those throws down this year, he's going to have 20+ picks again.</P>


congratulations matt. took a few months but you got him.
</P>


I never said otherwise. i said all QB's have balls tipped and picked. Most of Eli's tipped passes were on Eli.</P>


There have been guys on TAGF that have claimed that up to half of his picks were someone else's fault. You guys sound like a bunch of democrats. No personal responsibility.</P>

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:41 AM
Why are these two guys arguing about catcher? They aren't going to start a rook at catcher in the playoffs.


You gotta handle pitchers. thats crazy talk.</P>


</P>


none of us said that. I think dezz thought I was suggesting that originally when I said every day player.

None of us want him at catcher till he's better at it. We just want his bat.</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:41 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </P>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</P>


I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.
</P>


I actually like Cruz more in the slot. I want Hixon freed up to do ALL the return duties.</P>

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 10:42 AM
JP-Pm

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:43 AM
Why are these two guys arguing about catcher? They aren't going to start a rook at catcher in the playoffs.


You gotta handle pitchers. thats crazy talk.</P>


</P>


none of us said that. I think dezz thought I was suggesting that originally when I said every day player.

None of us want him at catcher till he's better at it. We just want his bat.</P>


</P>


Well I wasn't reading the posts very well, (because you two are the same person) but I do remember seeing Cervelli and Martin being mentioned.</P>

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:44 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </P>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</P>


I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.
</P>


I actually like Cruz more in the slot. I want Hixon freed up to do ALL the return duties.</P>


</P>


hey I feel like I didn't see Hixon on returns at all during preseason. I mean, I coulda jsut missed it I guess....but I'm with you. I want him as the sole returner I think</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:44 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 10:45 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </p>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</p>


I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.
</p>


I actually like Cruz more in the slot. I want Hixon freed up to do ALL the return duties.</p>I know I should not be , but Hixon returning, although he's prob the best on the team for that duty-scares the hell outa me.

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:45 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?</P>


besides how they are more expensive than last year? no....we havent. lol</P>

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 10:46 AM
Geez Matt. Whats with all these scoring changes in the league. 3 and outs forced? Missed FGs inside 19 yards. Yards allowed? Did we vote on these?
Missed FG's? Yards allowed?

You said you were not going too crazy Matt. You need to put it to a vote.

The FG thing is just stupid.

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 10:47 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?I'm seeing what I can put together for you guy's with my contacts. How many guy's total attending?

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:47 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </P>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</P>


I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.
</P>


I actually like Cruz more in the slot. I want Hixon freed up to do ALL the return duties.</P>


</P>


hey I feel like I didn't see Hixon on returns at all during preseason. I mean, I coulda jsut missed it I guess....but I'm with you. I want him as the sole returner I think</P>


</P>


Well I started a thread a few weeks ago saying the same thing. i was assured by my fellow posteres that they were just looking at other players and Hixon would be the guy. I'm not so sure.</P>


We have a proven, legit retun man for both kickoffs and punts. He's also a great gunner on punt coverage. Unlike the Yankees trying to make a reliever a starter, and a starter, a reliever, i believe players should do what they do best.</P>


Hixon is a great ST's player and thats where he needs to be. he can still be the #4 WR.</P>

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 10:48 AM
Steven Jackson, Felix Jones and Beanie are all available for a #2 wideout...

The WR's got eaten up so fast this year.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 10:49 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?</P>


besides how they are more expensive than last year? no....we havent. lol</P>


</P>


Well this year I want to sit with my thread brothers. And I want to be within hugging distance of Pizz for every Giants big play.</P>

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:49 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </P>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</P>


I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.
</P>


I actually like Cruz more in the slot. I want Hixon freed up to do ALL the return duties.</P>


I know I should not be , but Hixon returning, although he's prob the best on the team for that duty-scares the hell outa me.
</P>


Why's that? I mean I feel that out of the options we have, he has the best hands for it, and the speed for it. I also feel like we just havent seen him do it in awhile, so we kinda forgot about him! lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:51 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </p>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</p>

No - thats how ur trying to make us sound. Nobody is ****ting on anybody but u and eli. We are talking about a specific issue onour team. Just because Nicks and Mario are good, doesn't mean that they don't have a knock on them. Stop being dramatic

The truth of the matter is that we DO have acomplicated offense in which the QB and WRs need to be on the same page, more so in other offenses. We had guys off the street last year suiting up by midseason.

So tell me why u think ALL QBs who have played in Gilbride's offense have had high INT totals?

Honestly, please explain it to me

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:52 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?</p>


besides how they are more expensive than last year? no....we havent. lol</p>


</p>


Well this year I want to sit with my thread brothers. And I want to be within hugging distance of Pizz for every Giants big play.</p>

lol

na have to check stub hub and see whose looking for tickets to sit with us

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:53 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </p>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</p>


I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.
</p>


I actually like Cruz more in the slot. I want Hixon freed up to do ALL the return duties.</p>


I know I should not be , but Hixon returning, although he's prob the best on the team for that duty-scares the hell outa me.
</p>


Why's that? I mean I feel that out of the options we have, he has the best hands for it, and the speed for it. I also feel like we just havent seen him do it in awhile, so we kinda forgot about him! lol</p>

yea I dont get that either Lt

whenever Hixon has been our returner we've had a solid and consistant return game

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 10:54 AM
And you can forget that BS excuse about the tipped passes this year.<u> Yes, Eli had tipped passes for picks.</u> Some were clearly not on him, but most of those throws were bad. Way too high and those passes are often going to get deflected in the air. It doesn't matter what you think about WR's getting hands on passes. They are going to often get tipped. passes at the numbers are rarley tipped in the air. Passes above the head are.</p>


He threw one pass over Barden's head last year (what is Barden, like 6'7"?) And you guys claimed it was not on Eli. It was a horrible pass.</p>


Forget that tipped pass bull****, if he doesn't get those throws down this year, he's going to have 20+ picks again.</p>


congratulations matt. took a few months but you got him.
</p>


<u>I never said otherwise.</u> i said all QB's have balls tipped and picked. Most of Eli's tipped passes were on Eli.</p>


There have been guys on TAGF that have claimed that up to half of his picks were someone else's fault. You guys sound like a bunch of democrats. No personal responsibility.</p>yes but you never mentioned it, at all, even dismiss it. they were at least responsible for close to 10, which would mean around 15 were on eli, and according to you, 15 ints makes us a good team.

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 10:54 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?</P>


besides how they are more expensive than last year? no....we havent. lol</P>


</P>


Well this year I want to sit with my thread brothers. And I want to be within hugging distance of Pizz for every Giants big play.</P>


</P>


lmao...
that's fine, i just want to make sure I get a parking pass so we can do like last year and have enough space.
I THINK my buddy should be coming with me again.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:57 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?</p>


besides how they are more expensive than last year? no....we havent. lol</p>


</p>


Well this year I want to sit with my thread brothers. And I want to be within hugging distance of Pizz for every Giants big play.</p>


</p>


lmao...
that's fine, i just want to make sure I get a parking pass so we can do like last year and have enough space.
I THINK my buddy should be coming with me again.</p>

is ur split personality coming?

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 10:59 AM
MIKE GARAFOLO: So after shoving a media tour down our throats in the spring, Tiki &amp; Co. are now clamming up saying no more comments? SAY WHAATTT??



haha tiki is a *****

lawl
09-06-2011, 11:00 AM
Eli has a cupcake schedule the first 5 games and I have orton too.

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 11:03 AM
And the "route running" bull**** is a crap excuse too. You are claiming it was "tipped passes" and then its 'route running". </p>


You guys make it sound like the Giants WR's are horrible. These guys are elite. And Eli's bull**** excuses have run out. If he duplicates last year, TC, KG will be gone and a new regime will have to decide if they want Eli for their future.</p>


I feel good about our wr's this year and hixon in the #3 spot is money to me.
</p>


I actually like Cruz more in the slot. I want Hixon freed up to do ALL the return duties.</p>


I know I should not be , but Hixon returning, although he's prob the best on the team for that duty-scares the hell outa me.
</p>


Why's that? I mean I feel that out of the options we have, he has the best hands for it, and the speed for it. I also feel like we just havent seen him do it in awhile, so we kinda forgot about him! lol</p>He's clearly the best on the team for returns--and I it's senseless to not use him for fear of injury....wtf was I thinking, long weekend? This is football-everyone get's hurt. We need production.

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 11:03 AM
Eli has a cupcake schedule the first 5 games and I have orton too.i wouldnt call the eagles cupcakes.

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 11:05 AM
Eli has a cupcake schedule the first 5 games and I have orton too.i wouldnt call the eagles cupcakes.
You buddy Steve Serby called the eagles cornberback trio-the bermuda triangle this am.

lawl
09-06-2011, 11:07 AM
Eli has a cupcake schedule the first 5 games and I have orton too.i wouldnt call the eagles cupcakes.

I'll take one out of six games being hard

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 11:13 AM
Eli has a cupcake schedule the first 5 games and I have orton too.i wouldnt call the eagles cupcakes.
You buddy Steve Serby called the eagles cornberback trio-the bermuda triangle this am.
lol iv stopped reading his sarticles, actually most of the posts articles. post is starting to use espn talking points.

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 11:15 AM
BTW, have we talked about tickets for the Bills game?</p>


besides how they are more expensive than last year? no....we havent. lol</p>


</p>


Well this year I want to sit with my thread brothers. And I want to be within hugging distance of Pizz for every Giants big play.</p>


</p>


lmao...
that's fine, i just want to make sure I get a parking pass so we can do like last year and have enough space.
I THINK my buddy should be coming with me again.</p>PM - DePizz.

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 11:29 AM
DePizz.
</P>


[:@]</P>


lol, responded</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 11:36 AM
DePizz.
</P>


[:@]</P>


lol, responded</P>


</P>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</P>

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 11:39 AM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>When MH stops so does the thread.

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 11:39 AM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>....and again.

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 11:42 AM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 11:47 AM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.


it is standard operating procedure for him at this point

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 11:53 AM
DePizz.
</P>


[:@]</P>


lol, responded</P>


</P>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</P>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</P>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</P>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</P>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</P>

lawl
09-06-2011, 11:59 AM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 12:01 PM
DePizz.
</P>


[:@]</P>


lol, responded</P>


</P>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</P>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.


it is standard operating procedure for him at this point
</P>


You might as well claim that there's a man in the moon as long as you claim the Giants run the "run and shoot" offense. that offense is as exstinct as the teradactyl.</P>


You both have this fantasy that Eli is this victimized, poor, would be gunslinger. That if he only had a different O line, a different group of WR's and a different OC, he would be glorified as the real superstar he should be.</P>


Eli had better step up his friggin game boys, because if Eli throws another crapload of picks and TC and the whole staff are gone next season, a new regime might not like a guy who doesn't wait for plays to develop before he chucks it. they may not like a guy who throw left handed passes into triple coverage in the endzone. they may not like a guy who throws passes into the flat to covered receivers with 3 score leads.</P>


Just saying. Your "gunslinger" is on notice.</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 12:01 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


<u>Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy.</u> To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>no no no. i claimed that at least 10 tips were the wrs fault, and if they caught those passes or even were poorly thrown and incomplete, that would give eli 15 int. and by what you said 2-3 pages ago, we have a good team, well offense anyway. im just showing you your contradicting ways.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 12:02 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 12:02 PM
DePizz.
</P>


[:@]</P>


lol, responded</P>


</P>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</P>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</P>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</P>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</P>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</P>



Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.
</P>


No Lawl.<FONT color=#ff0000> Its never Eli's fault. He's just a misunderstood gunslinger.</FONT></P>

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 12:04 PM
My boy has 4 tix in section 126 row 17 dead center endzone-up for grabs @ $200 per ticket and $25 for the parking pass. If you can Let me know quick. I swapped him for these seats last year at titans game --they are good seats.

lawl
09-06-2011, 12:04 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 12:05 PM
DePizz.
</P>


[:@]</P>


lol, responded</P>


</P>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</P>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</P>


<U>Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy.</U> To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</P>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</P>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</P>


no no no. i claimed that at least 10 tips were the wrs fault, and if they caught those passes or even were poorly thrown and incomplete, that would give eli 15 int. and by what you said 2-3 pages ago, we have a good team, well offense anyway. im just showing you your contradicting ways.
</P>


And I'm saying that number is bull****.</P>


I think we have a good team too. But if Eli plays like he did last season, our "good team" will win 6 games at best.</P>

lawl
09-06-2011, 12:08 PM
Here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc), boys.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 12:08 PM
DePizz.
</P>


[:@]</P>


lol, responded</P>


</P>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</P>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</P>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</P>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</P>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</P>



Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?
</P>


Short passes need to be head high or lower. Preferably lower. High throws where a WR has little time to turn and adjust often get tipped. This has been true since the forward pass was invented.</P>


Most other NFL QB's know this. Even Eli knows this. Its just the Eli Cultists that won't accept it.</P>


Get the friggin ball down Eli!</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 12:09 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.


it is standard operating procedure for him at this point
</p>


You might as well claim that there's a man in the moon as long as you claim the Giants run the "run and shoot" offense. that offense is as exstinct as the teradactyl.</p>


You both have this fantasy that Eli is this victimized, poor, would be gunslinger. That if he only had a different O line, a different group of WR's and a different OC, he would be glorified as the real superstar he should be.</p>


Eli had better step up his friggin game boys, because if Eli throws another crapload of picks and TC and the whole staff are gone next season, a new regime might not like a guy who doesn't wait for plays to develop before he chucks it. they may not like a guy who throw left handed passes into triple coverage in the endzone. they may not like a guy who throws passes into the flat to covered receivers with 3 score leads.</p>


Just saying. Your "gunslinger" is on notice.</p>

lol, yea sure he is. LOL you know how i know your an eli troll, because you think hes on notice lol.

Again, your being dramatic. Your trying to take when i say that Eli's interceptions are over exaggerated and make it seem like I am making him a a rape victim or that I hate the Giants receivers. Your honestly being a woman about this. Now grab your sack, make sure both balls are still there and stop whining


its unbecoming

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 12:10 PM
If Eli had about 3500 yards and 27 TD's or so and kept the ints under 15, we have a chance to have a good team</p>


</p>response to mh previous post. well which is it? you got some splaaanin to dooo.

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 12:10 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it
It's a matter of accountability. It's a large problem in society today.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 12:13 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?


not saying that two players can't make bad plays

but it is black and white - if the balls hits your hands reasonably, like they all did, u have to make the play. I dont care if u have to reach for it

lawl
09-06-2011, 12:17 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?


not saying that two players can't make bad plays

but it is black and white - if the balls hits your hands reasonably, like they all did, u have to make the play. I dont care if u have to reach for it

When I say it's not black and white I mean its not just either the WRs fault nor just Eli's fault.

On a vast majority of these tip ints, both Eli made a bad throw and the WRs made a bad play on the ball(they didnt catch it).

It's really that simple.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 12:20 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?


not saying that two players can't make bad plays

but it is black and white - if the balls hits your hands reasonably, like they all did, u have to make the play. I dont care if u have to reach for it

When I say it's not black and white I mean its not just either the WRs fault nor just Eli's fault.

On a vast majority of these tip ints, both Eli made a bad throw and the WRs made a bad play on the ball(they didnt catch it).

It's really that simple.


it doesn't matter. Whether it was pretty or not, Eli got the ball there. WR has to make the play

its straight forward. I've never heard of this ANYWHERE else besides when theres arguments over Eli. In those situations its ALWAYS on the WRs

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 12:21 PM
Malcolm Floyd? What would it take...

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 12:29 PM
If Eli had about 3500 yards and 27 TD's or so and kept the ints under 15, we have a chance to have a good team</P>


</P>


response to mh previous post. well which is it? you got some splaaanin to dooo.
</P>


these numbers are indicative a a guy who is careful with the football and isn't chucking it into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


This is the Eli I want. I never want to see the Evil Eli who showed up last year.</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 12:29 PM
If Eli had about 3500 yards and 27 TD's or so and kept the ints under 15, we have a chance to have a good team</P>


</P>


response to mh previous post. well which is it? you got some splaaanin to dooo.
</P>


these numbers are indicative a a guy who is careful with the football and isn't chucking it into coverage in the face of a pass rush.</P>


This is the Eli I want. I never want to see the Evil Eli who showed up last year.</P>

lawl
09-06-2011, 12:32 PM
Malcolm Floyd? What would it take...

pm

lawl
09-06-2011, 12:35 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?


not saying that two players can't make bad plays

but it is black and white - if the balls hits your hands reasonably, like they all did, u have to make the play. I dont care if u have to reach for it

When I say it's not black and white I mean its not just either the WRs fault nor just Eli's fault.

On a vast majority of these tip ints, both Eli made a bad throw and the WRs made a bad play on the ball(they didnt catch it).

It's really that simple.


<font size="5">it doesn't matte</font>r. Whether it was pretty or not, Eli got the ball there. WR has to make the play

its straight forward. <font size="5">I've never heard of this ANYWHERE </font>else besides when theres arguments over Eli. In those situations its ALWAYS on the WRs

In an interview with Joe Montana, he relayed something that Bill Walsh once got mad at him for in practice.

Joe had put the ball in a spot where the WR had to slow down to catch the ball and Bill yelled at him telling him that it was a completely unacceptable throw. The ball has to be in a place where the WR can catch it and make a play after catching the ball.

This isn't HS, the ball isn't just expected to "just make it there".

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 12:42 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?


not saying that two players can't make bad plays

but it is black and white - if the balls hits your hands reasonably, like they all did, u have to make the play. I dont care if u have to reach for it

When I say it's not black and white I mean its not just either the WRs fault nor just Eli's fault.

On a vast majority of these tip ints, both Eli made a bad throw and the WRs made a bad play on the ball(they didnt catch it).

It's really that simple.


<font size="5">it doesn't matte</font>r. Whether it was pretty or not, Eli got the ball there. WR has to make the play

its straight forward. <font size="5">I've never heard of this ANYWHERE </font>else besides when theres arguments over Eli. In those situations its ALWAYS on the WRs

In an interview with Joe Montana, he relayed something that Bill Walsh once got mad at him for in practice.

Joe had put the ball in a spot where the WR had to slow down to catch the ball and Bill yelled at him telling him that it was a completely unacceptable throw. The ball has to be in a place where the WR can catch it and make a play after catching the ball.

This isn't HS, the ball isn't just expected to "just make it there".


the ball also has to be in a spot where the defender can't get it and the WR won't get killed.

lawl
09-06-2011, 12:46 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?


not saying that two players can't make bad plays

but it is black and white - if the balls hits your hands reasonably, like they all did, u have to make the play. I dont care if u have to reach for it

When I say it's not black and white I mean its not just either the WRs fault nor just Eli's fault.

On a vast majority of these tip ints, both Eli made a bad throw and the WRs made a bad play on the ball(they didnt catch it).

It's really that simple.


<font size="5">it doesn't matte</font>r. Whether it was pretty or not, Eli got the ball there. WR has to make the play

its straight forward. <font size="5">I've never heard of this ANYWHERE </font>else besides when theres arguments over Eli. In those situations its ALWAYS on the WRs

In an interview with Joe Montana, he relayed something that Bill Walsh once got mad at him for in practice.

Joe had put the ball in a spot where the WR had to slow down to catch the ball and Bill yelled at him telling him that it was a completely unacceptable throw. The ball has to be in a place where the WR can catch it and make a play after catching the ball.

This isn't HS, the ball isn't just expected to "just make it there".


the ball also has to be in a spot where the defender can't get it and the WR won't get killed.



What happened to just making it there?

And since you used the qualifier "also" that means you are agreeing with what I said. Therefore, you also now believe Eli made a bad throw on a majority of the tip ints.

Thanks for playing.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 12:50 PM
DePizz.
</p>


[:@]</p>


lol, responded</p>


</p>


Geez, I leave the thread for 45 minutes or so and it goes nowhere. I can't carry your asses all day fellas.</p>


typical mh tactic when hes proven wrong.
</p>


Dez, your claim that 10 ints were good passes off the hands of WR's is pure fantasy. To continue to argue about it is a waste of time for me. You can believe whatever you want about last season. Eli's decision making last season was horrific. Don't take my word for it. Just go back to TC's comments about how Eli needs to take more sacks and throw it away more instead of forcing it into coverage.</p>


His comments were exactly what I had been saying all off season. I'm sure though that TC is also among the "Eli haters" who are trying to keep our boy down.</p>


Live in your lttile fantasy world where Eli is the hero of every bedtime story. whatever helps you sleep at night. but my eyes are wide open.</p>
Yea I watched the video of all his ints. There were 2 good throws that ended up in tip ints.


bottom line if the ball touches ur hands u have to make the play

sick of this new though process as to where if the receiver has to reach for it, its not his responsibility...

lol the ball got there you have t ocatch it

Two players can make a bad play on the same play. It's not black and white.

Eli assuredly did not mean for the ball to end up high and away or high and behind the receiver, so therefore the ball didn't go where he wanted it to, thus it was a mistake and bad throw by Eli. You dont think Eli gets mad at himself when the ball isn't perfectly placed?


not saying that two players can't make bad plays

but it is black and white - if the balls hits your hands reasonably, like they all did, u have to make the play. I dont care if u have to reach for it

When I say it's not black and white I mean its not just either the WRs fault nor just Eli's fault.

On a vast majority of these tip ints, both Eli made a bad throw and the WRs made a bad play on the ball(they didnt catch it).

It's really that simple.


<font size="5">it doesn't matte</font>r. Whether it was pretty or not, Eli got the ball there. WR has to make the play

its straight forward. <font size="5">I've never heard of this ANYWHERE </font>else besides when theres arguments over Eli. In those situations its ALWAYS on the WRs

In an interview with Joe Montana, he relayed something that Bill Walsh once got mad at him for in practice.

Joe had put the ball in a spot where the WR had to slow down to catch the ball and Bill yelled at him telling him that it was a completely unacceptable throw. The ball has to be in a place where the WR can catch it and make a play after catching the ball.

This isn't HS, the ball isn't just expected to "just make it there".


the ball also has to be in a spot where the defender can't get it and the WR won't get killed.



What happened to just making it there?

And since you used the qualifier "also" that means you are agreeing with what I said. Therefore, you also now believe Eli made a bad throw on a majority of the tip ints.

Thanks for playing.


i didn't think i had to lead u every step of the way but I guess i have to-

1) if the play to make every single time is hitting the receiver in stride, that obviously would go against the possibility of putting it where a defender can't get it and/or getting the WR killed - right? (EDIT: in certain situations)

2) your qoute has nothing to do with the fact that if the ball hits the receivers hands they should catch it...

also u have ZERO ****ing clue what was going on in that specific play with montana vs the fact that we actually have the youtube of eli's pics that show the balls bouncing off the players hands...

Im sure even though if the WR slowed up but dropped the ball Walsh would of REALLY **** on him

lawl
09-06-2011, 12:56 PM
In an interview with Joe Montana, he relayed something that Bill Walsh once got mad at him for in practice.

Joe had put the ball in a spot where the WR had to slow down to catch the ball and Bill yelled at him telling him that it was a completely unacceptable throw. The ball has to be in a place where the WR can catch it and make a play after catching the ball.

This isn't HS, the ball isn't just expected to "just make it there".

<font size="6">
the ball also has to be in a spot where the defender</font> can't get it and <font size="6">the WR won't get killed.</font>



What happened to just making it there?

And since you used the qualifier "also" that means you are agreeing with what I said. Therefore, you also now believe Eli made a bad throw on a majority of the tip ints.

Thanks for playing.


i didn't think i had to lead u every step of the way but I guess i have to-

1) if the play to make every single time is hitting the receiver in stride, that obviously would go against the possibility of putting it where a defender can't get it and/or getting the WR killed - right?

2) your qoute has nothing to do with the fact that if the ball hits the receivers hands they should catch it...

also u have ZERO ****ing clue what was going on in that specific play with montana vs the fact that we actually have the youtube of eli's pics that show the balls bouncing off the players hands...

Im sure even though if the WR slowed up but dropped the ball Walsh would of REALLY **** on him


Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 01:01 PM
In an interview with Joe Montana, he relayed something that Bill Walsh once got mad at him for in practice.

Joe had put the ball in a spot where the WR had to slow down to catch the ball and Bill yelled at him telling him that it was a completely unacceptable throw. The ball has to be in a place where the WR can catch it and make a play after catching the ball.

This isn't HS, the ball isn't just expected to "just make it there".

<font size="6">
the ball also has to be in a spot where the defender</font> can't get it and <font size="6">the WR won't get killed.</font>



What happened to just making it there?

And since you used the qualifier "also" that means you are agreeing with what I said. Therefore, you also now believe Eli made a bad throw on a majority of the tip ints.

Thanks for playing.


i didn't think i had to lead u every step of the way but I guess i have to-

1) if the play to make every single time is hitting the receiver in stride, that obviously would go against the possibility of putting it where a defender can't get it and/or getting the WR killed - right?

2) your qoute has nothing to do with the fact that if the ball hits the receivers hands they should catch it...

also u have ZERO ****ing clue what was going on in that specific play with montana vs the fact that we actually have the youtube of eli's pics that show the balls bouncing off the players hands...

Im sure even though if the WR slowed up but dropped the ball Walsh would of REALLY **** on him


Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 01:04 PM
osi likely to miss first 2 weeks.

lawl
09-06-2011, 01:10 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 01:12 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?

lawl
09-06-2011, 01:20 PM
4417 you around?

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 01:43 PM
soa tanight!! im rooting for clay all the way. lol **** jax!!! hes a puss and should be demoted to prospect.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:01 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.



Okay some of them thats true, they could of been better balls. I think i've said that a couple of times already.

BUT again, it comes back down to the fact that they were good enough and they should of been caught. To simply

I understand what Walsh was upset about, the point is that it has nothing to do with the tipped balls argument that we have been takling about for the past two hours.

I got to be honest, i dont even know what the reason your bringing this stuff up because it really isn't applicable to the fact that the catches should of been made.

DavenIII
09-06-2011, 02:01 PM
Got 3 trades out on Romo, just letting ya'll know so you don't feel slighted if you don't get him...I'm just sending em all out.

Also, Any car guys here? I know a little but right now I have a situation.

My car stalls whenever I stop, at a light/traffic/signs etc, I'm Driving a Jeep Wrangler with 110K miles on it.

After it stalls I have to hit the gas a bit to get it started again while turning the key.

Most of all I'm wondering if it's gonna be ok to drive it home that way, secondarily what can I do to stop it....I've read up on it a bit it seems a full gas tank might help, but it could also be the plugs...a clogged filter etc etc...

what do you guys think.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:02 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?

lawl
09-06-2011, 02:03 PM
Got 3 trades out on Romo, just letting ya'll know so you don't feel slighted if you don't get him...I'm just sending em all out.

Also, Any car guys here? I know a little but right now I have a situation.

My car stalls whenever I stop, at a light/traffic/signs etc, I'm Driving a Jeep Wrangler with 110K miles on it.

After it stalls I have to hit the gas a bit to get it started again while turning the key.

Most of all I'm wondering if it's gonna be ok to drive it home that way, secondarily what can I do to stop it....I've read up on it a bit it seems a full gas tank might help, but it could also be the plugs...a clogged filter etc etc...

what do you guys think.

I think you should PM me so the real deal can get done.

lawl
09-06-2011, 02:05 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.



Okay some of them thats true, they could of been better balls. I think i've said that a couple of times already.

BUT again, it comes back down to the fact that they were good enough and they should of been caught. To simply

I understand what Walsh was upset about, the point is that it has nothing to do with the tipped balls argument that we have been takling about for the past two hours.

I got to be honest, i dont even know what the reason your bringing this stuff up because it really isn't applicable to the fact that the catches should of been made.

The catches shouldve been made just like the passes shouldve been in better spots.

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 02:05 PM
Got 3 trades out on Romo, just letting ya'll know so you don't feel slighted if you don't get him...I'm just sending em all out.

Also, Any car guys here? I know a little but right now I have a situation.

My car stalls whenever I stop, at a light/traffic/signs etc, I'm Driving a Jeep Wrangler with 110K miles on it.

After it stalls I have to hit the gas a bit to get it started again while turning the key.

Most of all I'm wondering if it's gonna be ok to drive it home that way, secondarily what can I do to stop it....I've read up on it a bit it seems a full gas tank might help, but it could also be the plugs...a clogged filter etc etc...

what do you guys think.
Sorry-I have not heard of that issue with the wrangler. Fuel filter, fuel injection ports? Something that's interupting the flow of fuel. Try throwing some of that fuel injector cleaner in the gas tank.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 02:06 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</P>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</P>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</P>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</P>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 02:07 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?
cause grants playing free safety and rolle is playing nickle in nickle packages.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:11 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.



Okay some of them thats true, they could of been better balls. I think i've said that a couple of times already.

BUT again, it comes back down to the fact that they were good enough and they should of been caught. To simply

I understand what Walsh was upset about, the point is that it has nothing to do with the tipped balls argument that we have been takling about for the past two hours.

I got to be honest, i dont even know what the reason your bringing this stuff up because it really isn't applicable to the fact that the catches should of been made.

The catches shouldve been made just like the passes shouldve been in better spots.


bottom line the balls go there to a catchable situation. Could they of been better, in some cases yea. But bottom line, an adequate job was done. Its on the WRs

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</p>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</p>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</p>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</p>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</p>

define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.



Okay some of them thats true, they could of been better balls. I think i've said that a couple of times already.

BUT again, it comes back down to the fact that they were good enough and they should of been caught. To simply

I understand what Walsh was upset about, the point is that it has nothing to do with the tipped balls argument that we have been takling about for the past two hours.

I got to be honest, i dont even know what the reason your bringing this stuff up because it really isn't applicable to the fact that the catches should of been made.

The catches shouldve been made just like the passes shouldve been in better spots.


bottom line the balls go there to a catchable situation. Could they of been better, in some cases yea. But bottom line, an adequate job was done. Its on the WRs
</P>


Adequate?</P>


Your standards for future hall of famers are dropping.</P>

lawl
09-06-2011, 02:19 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.



Okay some of them thats true, they could of been better balls. I think i've said that a couple of times already.

BUT again, it comes back down to the fact that they were good enough and they should of been caught. To simply

I understand what Walsh was upset about, the point is that it has nothing to do with the tipped balls argument that we have been takling about for the past two hours.

I got to be honest, i dont even know what the reason your bringing this stuff up because it really isn't applicable to the fact that the catches should of been made.

The catches shouldve been made just like the passes shouldve been in better spots.


bottom line the balls go there to a catchable situation. Could they of been better, in some cases yea. But bottom line, an adequate job was done. Its on the WRs


It's not some, its most.

I've provided the video. Most of these throws are not close to where they are supposed to be.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:20 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?
cause grants playing free safety and rolle is playing nickle in nickle packages.


no hes just moving to the nickle in nickle packages

when that happens its really not the natural 4-3 your talking about, its that triple saftey thing pretty much - just being used in a different way

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:23 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.



Okay some of them thats true, they could of been better balls. I think i've said that a couple of times already.

BUT again, it comes back down to the fact that they were good enough and they should of been caught. To simply

I understand what Walsh was upset about, the point is that it has nothing to do with the tipped balls argument that we have been takling about for the past two hours.

I got to be honest, i dont even know what the reason your bringing this stuff up because it really isn't applicable to the fact that the catches should of been made.

The catches shouldve been made just like the passes shouldve been in better spots.


bottom line the balls go there to a catchable situation. Could they of been better, in some cases yea. But bottom line, an adequate job was done. Its on the WRs
</p>


Adequate?</p>


Your standards for future hall of famers are dropping.</p>

lol true because when cherry picking 7-9 throws out of almost 600 and labeling it as adequate - that means that the guy can never be HOF material at all.

Tell me again how ur not a troll?

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 02:23 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?
cause grants playing free safety and rolle is playing nickle in nickle packages.
</P>


as far as I know, Grant would be SS in that scenario. Doesnt KP usuallyplay fs?
for us, i dont think it matters really lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:25 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.



Okay some of them thats true, they could of been better balls. I think i've said that a couple of times already.

BUT again, it comes back down to the fact that they were good enough and they should of been caught. To simply

I understand what Walsh was upset about, the point is that it has nothing to do with the tipped balls argument that we have been takling about for the past two hours.

I got to be honest, i dont even know what the reason your bringing this stuff up because it really isn't applicable to the fact that the catches should of been made.

The catches shouldve been made just like the passes shouldve been in better spots.


bottom line the balls go there to a catchable situation. Could they of been better, in some cases yea. But bottom line, an adequate job was done. Its on the WRs


It's not some, its most.

I've provided the video. Most of these throws are not close to where they are supposed to be.


and again, i think thats a lil over the top

some of the balls are put there because its the open window

#teamdramatic

members: Harooni, Moorehead, and now LAWL

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:26 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?
cause grants playing free safety and rolle is playing nickle in nickle packages.
</p>


as far as I know, Grant would be SS in that scenario. Doesnt KP usuallyplay fs?
for us, i dont think it matters really lol</p>

yea but a nickle is 5 dbacks

In the standard defense of 2 safteys and 2 CBs - Grant will not be in

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 02:26 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</P>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</P>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</P>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</P>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</P>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</P>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <U>that</U> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</P>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</P>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</P>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 02:27 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?
cause grants playing free safety and rolle is playing nickle in nickle packages.


no hes just moving to the nickle in nickle packages

when that happens its really not the natural 4-3 your talking about, its that triple saftey thing pretty much - just being used in a different way
yea i know i didnt want to label it the 3 safety formation thingy. haha

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 02:29 PM
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MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:30 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</p>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</p>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</p>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</p>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</p>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</p>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <u>that</u> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</p>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</p>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</p>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </p>

stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 02:32 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?
cause grants playing free safety and rolle is playing nickle in nickle packages.
</p>


as far as I know, Grant would be SS in that scenario. Doesnt KP usuallyplay fs?
for us, i dont think it matters really lol</p><font color="#ff0000">well kps a stong safety in madden!!!!!!!</font>

lawl
09-06-2011, 02:37 PM
It's not some, its most.

I've provided the video. Most of these throws are not close to where they are supposed to be.


and again, i think thats a lil over the top

<font size="6">some of the balls are put there because its the open window
</font>
#teamdramatic

members: Harooni, Moorehead, and now LAWL


This is simply not true.

Here's the video AGAIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc)

Exactly which ones do you think are put where they are "because its the open window".

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 02:37 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</P>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</P>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</P>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</P>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</P>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</P>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <U>that</U> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</P>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</P>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</P>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </P>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</P>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</P>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</P>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</P>


Have fun.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:46 PM
It's not some, its most.

I've provided the video. Most of these throws are not close to where they are supposed to be.


and again, i think thats a lil over the top

<font size="6">some of the balls are put there because its the open window
</font>
#teamdramatic

members: Harooni, Moorehead, and now LAWL


This is simply not true.

Here's the video AGAIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc)

Exactly which ones do you think are put where they are "because its the open window".



can't stream that at work it'll just freeze my comp

but how bout this, im guessing thats elis interception montage? Ho wbout you break down the picks and so will I and we'll see where your missing the facts

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 02:46 PM
so when the giants are playing a natural 4-3 and not the 3 safety formation, will grant still be free safety?


no... why would he be in over Phillips and Rolle?
cause grants playing free safety and rolle is playing nickle in nickle packages.
</P>


as far as I know, Grant would be SS in that scenario. Doesnt KP usuallyplay fs?
for us, i dont think it matters really lol</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>well kps a stong safety in madden!!!!!!!</FONT>
</P>


lmao....is he?
last madden I got was madden 10...in that he was a FS</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 02:52 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</p>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</p>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</p>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</p>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</p>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</p>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <u>that</u> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</p>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</p>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</p>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </p>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</p>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</p>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</p>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</p>


Have fun.</p>

so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage),
just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous
mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what
coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that
adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes
as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback),
as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a
more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League)
teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide
receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs
used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising
running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run
out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If
repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running
plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just
off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:02 PM
cue pappy disappearing act

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:03 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</P>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</P>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</P>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</P>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</P>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</P>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <U>that</U> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</P>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</P>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</P>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </P>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</P>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</P>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</P>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</P>


Have fun.</P>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</P>


</P>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</P>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</P>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</P>


</P>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</P>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</P>

lawl
09-06-2011, 03:04 PM
It's not some, its most.

I've provided the video. Most of these throws are not close to where they are supposed to be.


and again, i think thats a lil over the top

<font size="6">some of the balls are put there because its the open window
</font>
#teamdramatic

members: Harooni, Moorehead, and now LAWL


This is simply not true.

Here's the video AGAIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc)

Exactly which ones do you think are put where they are "because its the open window".



can't stream that at work it'll just freeze my comp

but how bout this, im guessing thats elis interception montage? Ho wbout you break down the picks and so will I and we'll see where your missing the facts

Number 1 was definitely high and could have been lower. Its even 2 ft above the outstretched defender.

#2 all on bradshaw if you ask me

#3 Ball is supposed to be much lower

I dont really know if #4 qualifies as a tip

#5 nicks is running a hook to the inside and Eli throw it outside, Eli's on a bootleg and it's definitely not an easy throw to make, but it is definitely NOT in the spot it's supposed to be.

#9, high and away when it couldve been put on the numbers, high and away again is not where the ball needed to be nor where it shouldve been

#10 Was again high and not where it was supposed to be. Again not a situation where you qualify as "the only open window"

#25 ball is right at the dude's eye level, where the pass is supposed to be, all on the WR.

Lol, so theres only 7 picks that went off our WR's hands before getting intercepted.

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 03:04 PM
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</p>
</div>

lawl
09-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Gilbrides offense still uses concepts of the run and shoot.

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:07 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</p>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</p>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</p>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</p>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</p>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</p>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <u>that</u> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</p>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</p>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</p>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </p>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</p>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</p>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</p>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</p>


Have fun.</p>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</p>


</p>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</p>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</p>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</p>


</p>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</p>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</p>

and like i've said MULTIPLE times, we run a hybrid type run and shoot. A more run balanced one to be exact.

#teamdramatic is BACK

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:07 PM
fat mikes saying theres a reeeal good chance sox dont make playoffs[:O]

lawl
09-06-2011, 03:08 PM
im out, peace

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:09 PM
It's not some, its most.

I've provided the video. Most of these throws are not close to where they are supposed to be.


and again, i think thats a lil over the top

<font size="6">some of the balls are put there because its the open window
</font>
#teamdramatic

members: Harooni, Moorehead, and now LAWL


This is simply not true.

Here's the video AGAIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc)

Exactly which ones do you think are put where they are "because its the open window".



can't stream that at work it'll just freeze my comp

but how bout this, im guessing thats elis interception montage? Ho wbout you break down the picks and so will I and we'll see where your missing the facts

Number 1 was definitely high and could have been lower. Its even 2 ft above the outstretched defender.

#2 all on bradshaw if you ask me

#3 Ball is supposed to be much lower

I dont really know if #4 qualifies as a tip

#5 nicks is running a hook to the inside and Eli throw it outside, Eli's on a bootleg and it's definitely not an easy throw to make, but it is definitely NOT in the spot it's supposed to be.

#9, high and away when it couldve been put on the numbers, high and away again is not where the ball needed to be nor where it shouldve been

#10 Was again high and not where it was supposed to be. Again not a situation where you qualify as "the only open window"

#25 ball is right at the dude's eye level, where the pass is supposed to be, all on the WR.

Lol, so theres only 7 picks that went off our WR's hands before getting intercepted.




do me a favor and pm that to me so i don't have to go looking for it later

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:10 PM
fat mikes saying theres a reeeal good chance sox dont make playoffs[:O]
</P>


Objective source. A guy who talks about the Yankees 365 days/ year</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:19 PM
would just like to point out to you beckum lovers that Ballard is listed as the starter on the depth chart

if that doesn't tell u how bad Beckum is, you'll never understand

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:21 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard

lttaylor56
09-06-2011, 03:22 PM
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<div id="yui_3_3_0_11_1315335919430105" class="ft">
<p id="yui_3_3_0_11_1315335919430104">The Best Draft is awarded to the team with the most projected season points based on weekly optimal starting lineups.</p>


</p>


</p>

I guess Yahoo it tooting it's own horn. lol
</p>
</div>Congrats Daven!

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:23 PM
would just like to point out to you beckum lovers that Ballard is listed as the starter on the depth chart

if that doesn't tell u how bad Beckum is, you'll never understand
not on my madden roster hes not. [;)]

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:24 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</P>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</P>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</P>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</P>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</P>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</P>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <U>that</U> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</P>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</P>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</P>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </P>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</P>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</P>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</P>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</P>


Have fun.</P>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</P>


</P>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</P>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</P>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</P>


</P>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</P>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</P>




and like i've said MULTIPLE times, we run a hybrid type run and shoot. A more run balanced one to be exact.

#teamdramatic is BACK
</P>


Matt....the "shoot" portion of the run and shoot requires a partial sprint out by the QB. The run and shoot required a QB that could throw on the run, which they almost always did. It also required the O line to sprint out as a unit to one side or another. If you ever watched the Oilers of the early 90's (Warren Moon) or the Falcons of the same time ( Jeff George) you would see the same characteristics. The main proponent of the run and shoot is June Jones who was a former QB for the Falcons.</P>


It is commonly accepted that the zone blitz killed the run ans shoot.</P>


Instead of cutting and pasting Wikipedia, maybe you should really try to learn what it is before you say something as silly as suggesting the Giants play anything that resembles that offense.</P>


I watched it being used and it looked more like something you would see in the CFL or Arena football.</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:24 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</P>


What????</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:31 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</p>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</p>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</p>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</p>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</p>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</p>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <u>that</u> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</p>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</p>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</p>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </p>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</p>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</p>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</p>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</p>


Have fun.</p>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</p>


</p>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</p>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</p>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</p>


</p>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</p>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</p>




and like i've said MULTIPLE times, we run a hybrid type run and shoot. A more run balanced one to be exact.

#teamdramatic is BACK
</p>


Matt....the "shoot" portion of the run and shoot requires a partial sprint out by the QB. The run and shoot required a QB that could throw on the run, which they almost always did. It also required the O line to sprint out as a unit to one side or another. If you ever watched the Oilers of the early 90's (Warren Moon) or the Falcons of the same time ( Jeff George) you would see the same characteristics. The main proponent of the run and shoot is June Jones who was a former QB for the Falcons.</p>


It is commonly accepted that the zone blitz killed the run ans shoot.</p>


Instead of cutting and pasting Wikipedia, maybe you should really try to learn what it is before you say something as silly as suggesting the Giants play anything that resembles that offense.</p>


I watched it being used and it looked more like something you would see in the CFL or Arena football.</p>




</p>



</p>

Again, like i said we run a hybrid version of the run and shoot. The main characteristics of our offensive sets, motions, and offensive route running is all based on the run an dshoot.
</p>



</p>

Its great that u watched so much of the Oilers in the early 90s. What about the mid 90s jags?</p>
Just admit u are wrong. You asked me to explain why we run a more balanced run and shoot. I did that effectively.

The only thing that is different is the mobility of the QB. We like to keep our QB in the pocket, for obvious reasons, but there are more things taken from the TRUE run and shoot offense than we left out

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:32 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</p>


What????</p>

uhm

not sure how i could of typed it clearer

Jay Glazer report

u know its official when he says it

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 03:32 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</P>


What????</P>


</P>


wow.....</P>


they must be really high on Gabbert
&gt;.&lt;</P>

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 03:33 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</p>


What????</p>
So much for Mike Thomas...lol

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:36 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.



It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</P>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</P>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</P>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</P>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</P>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</P>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <U>that</U> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</P>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</P>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</P>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </P>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</P>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</P>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</P>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</P>


Have fun.</P>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</P>


</P>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</P>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</P>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</P>


</P>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</P>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</P>




and like i've said MULTIPLE times, we run a hybrid type run and shoot. A more run balanced one to be exact.

#teamdramatic is BACK
</P>


Matt....the "shoot" portion of the run and shoot requires a partial sprint out by the QB. The run and shoot required a QB that could throw on the run, which they almost always did. It also required the O line to sprint out as a unit to one side or another. If you ever watched the Oilers of the early 90's (Warren Moon) or the Falcons of the same time ( Jeff George) you would see the same characteristics. The main proponent of the run and shoot is June Jones who was a former QB for the Falcons.</P>


It is commonly accepted that the zone blitz killed the run ans shoot.</P>


Instead of cutting and pasting Wikipedia, maybe you should really try to learn what it is before you say something as silly as suggesting the Giants play anything that resembles that offense.</P>


I watched it being used and it looked more like something you would see in the CFL or Arena football.</P>



</P>




</P>


Again, like i said we run a hybrid version of the run and shoot. The main characteristics of our offensive sets, motions, and offensive route running is all based on the run an dshoot.
</P>




</P>


Its great that u watched so much of the Oilers in the early 90s. What about the mid 90s jags?</P>



Just admit u are wrong. You asked me to explain why we run a more balanced run and shoot. I did that effectively.

The only thing that is different is the mobility of the QB. We like to keep our QB in the pocket, for obvious reasons, but there are more things taken from the TRUE run and shoot offense than we left out
</P>


The run and shoot is dead Matt. You are being a child now. Stop because its getting silly. There is nothing about the run and shoot that resembles our offense.</P>


Oh wait....there are 11 guys in both offenses. Thats where the similarity ends.</P>


If you are so sure, show me any expert who agrees with you.</P>

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 03:37 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</P>


What????</P>



So much for Mike Thomas...lol
</P>


did you draft him?</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:38 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</p>


What????</p>


</p>


wow.....</p>


they must be really high on Gabbert
&gt;.&lt;</p>soa tonight.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:40 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</P>


What????</P>



So much for Mike Thomas...lol
</P>


did you draft him?</P>


</P>


Luke Mckown is the starter. I'm fine. He's a solid backup. Anyway I have VJax, Stevie Johnson and Knox. I'm fine. Still have the best team in the league. I expect Thomas to be a 1000 yard guy.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:40 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.


</p>


</p>

It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</p>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</p>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</p>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</p>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</p>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</p>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <u>that</u> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</p>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</p>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</p>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </p>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</p>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</p>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</p>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</p>


Have fun.</p>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</p>


</p>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</p>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</p>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</p>


</p>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</p>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</p>




and like i've said MULTIPLE times, we run a hybrid type run and shoot. A more run balanced one to be exact.

#teamdramatic is BACK
</p>


Matt....the "shoot" portion of the run and shoot requires a partial sprint out by the QB. The run and shoot required a QB that could throw on the run, which they almost always did. It also required the O line to sprint out as a unit to one side or another. If you ever watched the Oilers of the early 90's (Warren Moon) or the Falcons of the same time ( Jeff George) you would see the same characteristics. The main proponent of the run and shoot is June Jones who was a former QB for the Falcons.</p>


It is commonly accepted that the zone blitz killed the run ans shoot.</p>


Instead of cutting and pasting Wikipedia, maybe you should really try to learn what it is before you say something as silly as suggesting the Giants play anything that resembles that offense.</p>


I watched it being used and it looked more like something you would see in the CFL or Arena football.</p>



</p>




</p>


Again, like i said we run a hybrid version of the run and shoot. The main characteristics of our offensive sets, motions, and offensive route running is all based on the run an dshoot.
</p>




</p>


Its great that u watched so much of the Oilers in the early 90s. What about the mid 90s jags?</p>



Just admit u are wrong. You asked me to explain why we run a more balanced run and shoot. I did that effectively.

The only thing that is different is the mobility of the QB. We like to keep our QB in the pocket, for obvious reasons, but there are more things taken from the TRUE run and shoot offense than we left out
</p>


The run and shoot is dead Matt. You are being a child now. Stop because its getting silly. There is nothing about the run and shoot that resembles our offense.</p>


Oh wait....there are 11 guys in both offenses. Thats where the similarity ends.</p>


If you are so sure, show me any expert who agrees with you.</p>

hence why i would say a more balance run and shoot...

lol calling me a baby because you've only made ONE point vs the 5 other points made against ur argument. Sorry, i guess i am a babby. I love proving you wrong

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 03:40 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</p>


What????</p>



So much for Mike Thomas...lol
</p>


did you draft him?</p>
No. MH did. I have...

Matt Ryan
Matt Stafford

CJ2K
SJack
Felix J
Beanie
J Ringer

Jennings
Moore
Burleson
Meachum
Jordy

Tony Gonzalez

Chi
SD

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 03:42 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</p>


What????</p>


</p>


wow.....</p>


they must be really high on Gabbert
&gt;.&lt;</p>
Nope, Luke McCown will be the starter. I saw him called Rex Grossman Lite. Ouch! lol

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:42 PM
Anyway Garrard is a good football player. He's definately TC's boy. I think the FO is afraid to pressure Eli with a strong backup (thus Carr) otherwise I'd love to see him here.

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 03:42 PM
WOWWW

Jags released Garrard
</P>


What????</P>



So much for Mike Thomas...lol
</P>


did you draft him?</P>


</P>


Luke Mckown is the starter. I'm fine. He's a solid backup. Anyway I have VJax, Stevie Johnson and Knox. I'm fine. Still have the best team in the league. I expect Thomas to be a 1000 yard guy.</P>


</P>


I took Thomas as my 3rd WR in my 12 team league...was expecting big things.</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:42 PM
fat mikes saying theres a reeeal good chance sox dont make playoffs[:O]
</p>


Objective source. A guy who talks about the Yankees 365 days/ year</p>bahahaa dude hes an objective source for all ny sports. hes pretty fair

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:44 PM
Anyway Garrard is a good football player. He's definately TC's boy. I think the FO is afraid to pressure Eli with a strong backup (thus Carr) otherwise I'd love to see him here.youre such a ***** lol

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 03:45 PM
would just like to point out to you beckum lovers that Ballard is listed as the starter on the depth chart

if that doesn't tell u how bad Beckum is, you'll never understand

We wouldn't make too much of this. At a burly 6'6/256, Ballard will play
on run downs as a blocking specialist. Travis Beckum is still in line
to handle the majority of the passing-down work, though he may be
another year away from a true breakout season.


Rotoworld

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Still have the best team in the league.

You did last year to, how did that work out for ya?

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.


</P>



</P>


It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</P>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</P>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</P>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</P>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</P>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</P>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <U>that</U> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</P>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</P>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</P>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </P>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</P>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</P>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</P>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</P>


Have fun.</P>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</P>


</P>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</P>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</P>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</P>


</P>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</P>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</P>




and like i've said MULTIPLE times, we run a hybrid type run and shoot. A more run balanced one to be exact.

#teamdramatic is BACK
</P>


Matt....the "shoot" portion of the run and shoot requires a partial sprint out by the QB. The run and shoot required a QB that could throw on the run, which they almost always did. It also required the O line to sprint out as a unit to one side or another. If you ever watched the Oilers of the early 90's (Warren Moon) or the Falcons of the same time ( Jeff George) you would see the same characteristics. The main proponent of the run and shoot is June Jones who was a former QB for the Falcons.</P>


It is commonly accepted that the zone blitz killed the run ans shoot.</P>


Instead of cutting and pasting Wikipedia, maybe you should really try to learn what it is before you say something as silly as suggesting the Giants play anything that resembles that offense.</P>


I watched it being used and it looked more like something you would see in the CFL or Arena football.</P>



</P>




</P>


Again, like i said we run a hybrid version of the run and shoot. The main characteristics of our offensive sets, motions, and offensive route running is all based on the run an dshoot.
</P>




</P>


Its great that u watched so much of the Oilers in the early 90s. What about the mid 90s jags?</P>



Just admit u are wrong. You asked me to explain why we run a more balanced run and shoot. I did that effectively.

The only thing that is different is the mobility of the QB. We like to keep our QB in the pocket, for obvious reasons, but there are more things taken from the TRUE run and shoot offense than we left out
</P>


The run and shoot is dead Matt. You are being a child now. Stop because its getting silly. There is nothing about the run and shoot that resembles our offense.</P>


Oh wait....there are 11 guys in both offenses. Thats where the similarity ends.</P>


If you are so sure, show me any expert who agrees with you.</P>




hence why i would say a more balance run and shoot...

lol calling me a baby because you've only made ONE point vs the 5 other points made against ur argument. Sorry, i guess i am a babby. I love proving you wrong
</P>


You are grasping at straws Matt. But I would love to be proven wrong. Cite me an expert who agrees with you.</P>


In the run and shoot there are always 5 guys in the route.</P>


The run and shoot requires the O line and QB to sprint right or left in most passing plays.</P>


The run and shoot has no fullback</P>


The run and shoot requires an athletic QB who can throw on the run. (sound like Eli?)</P>


None of these basics of the run and shoot are consistent with our offense.</P>

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 03:48 PM
Really puts MJD's value even lower as well. That makes no sense at all. Why not do it in the preseason so he can get all the snaps with the first team.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:49 PM
Still have the best team in the league.

You did last year to, how did that work out for ya?


</P>


Hey, I had the highest point total of the league. Its not my fault that every team up against you put up like 70 points.</P>


And my TE, top RB and #2 WR (Floyd) all got hurt. And i still had a first round bye.</P>


You know you were happy when I got beat in the playoffs.</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:50 PM
Really puts MJD's value even lower as well. That makes no sense at all. Why not do it in the preseason so he can get all the snaps with the first team.
ya, this is a head scratcher

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 03:50 PM
would just like to point out to you beckum lovers that Ballard is listed as the starter on the depth chart

if that doesn't tell u how bad Beckum is, you'll never understand

We wouldn't make too much of this. At a burly 6'6/256, Ballard will play
on run downs as a blocking specialist. Travis Beckum is still in line
to handle the majority of the passing-down work, though he may be
another year away from a true breakout season.


Rotoworld


lol by next year he'll be cut. He'll go the way of Phillip Dillard

JPizzack
09-06-2011, 03:50 PM
Still have the best team in the league.

You did last year to, how did that work out for ya?


</P>


Worked out for me....</P>

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:53 PM
would just like to point out to you beckum lovers that Ballard is listed as the starter on the depth chart

if that doesn't tell u how bad Beckum is, you'll never understand

We wouldn't make too much of this. At a burly 6'6/256, Ballard will play
on run downs as a blocking specialist. Travis Beckum is still in line
to handle the majority of the passing-down work, though he may be
another year away from a true breakout season.


Rotoworld


lol by next year he'll be cut. He'll go the way of Phillip Dillard
http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/blogs-prod-static/mediam/Hatorade_large.jpg

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 03:55 PM
http://baconsyrup.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/hater_tots.jpg

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 03:55 PM
Still have the best team in the league.

You did last year to, how did that work out for ya?


</P>


Worked out for me....</P>


</P>


Well you quit.</P>


What was the reason again? Too many bench spots?</P>

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 04:01 PM
Still have the best team in the league.

You did last year to, how did that work out for ya?


</p>


Hey, I had the highest point total of the league. Its not my fault that every team up against you put up like 70 points.</p>


And my TE, top RB and #2 WR (Floyd) all got hurt. And i still had a first round bye.</p>


You know you were happy when I got beat in the playoffs.</p>
I know you did. Your team was great last year and yes I was very happy when you lost. Just don't boast so much. You might have to change your fantasy name to Dream Team. I don't think your team is as good as you think it is. You have absolutely no RB depth and your 2, 3 and 4 WR's are gambles. My WR's are not too great either but your TE was a great pick. I guess it comes down to Rice. You know Phillip and VJack will do there work.

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 04:05 PM
Still have the best team in the league.

You did last year to, how did that work out for ya?


</P>


Hey, I had the highest point total of the league. Its not my fault that every team up against you put up like 70 points.</P>


And my TE, top RB and #2 WR (Floyd) all got hurt. And i still had a first round bye.</P>


You know you were happy when I got beat in the playoffs.</P>



I know you did. Your team was great last year and yes I was very happy when you lost. Just don't boast so much. You might have to change your fantasy name to Dream Team. I don't think your team is as good as you think it is. You have absolutely no RB depth and your 2, 3 and 4 WR's are gambles. My WR's are not too great either but your TE was a great pick. I guess it comes down to Rice. You know Phillip and VJack will do there work.
</P>


Geez Lando...just having some fun.</P>


I was trying to make a deal with Scrappy with Rivers and Romo. Could still work out....never know.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 04:13 PM
Where did I ever say "in stride"?

I've never said a WR shouldn't catch the ball. I HAVE said that if the ball does get to the WR it can still be qualified as a bad throw. You disagreed, Bill Walsh, however agreed with me. Walsh being mad at the WR and Joe is the equivalent of my opinion. Whereas you think it is all just on the WR.

Another tidbit I'll add-(see the bold)

Are you of the opinion that on the plays where Boss caught the ball and got demolished that it was a bad pass? Because you're definitely inferring that.


</p>



</p>


It obviously can be abad throw - it doesn't matter though. When the ball comes to the WR he has to make the grab. Its like Receiving 101.

Bill Walsh mentioned NOTHING about anything we're talking about. Your qouting Montana on a phantom play where you have NO clue if there were even defenders on the field or if they were in a 7 on 7 drill. A generic bland statement prove snothing for your cause.

They may not be GREAT passes but if they get to the WR at a place where only he can catch its good enough.

Sometimes **** happens, sometimes you got to get the ball to a guy you see open. Honestly I can't really remember which play ur speaking of specifically. I know Boss go thung out a couple of times..

Theres one constant when it comes to receiving the ball: If it hits your hands - you have to make the play.

I'll even say there are a few situations where that could be argued, unfortunately alot of the balls that moorehead is referring to on Eli - isn't.


I don't know why you keep bringing up the WRs part of the ordeal. I'm well aware that they made a bad play on the ball. They touched it and dropped it. Unacceptable.

But, on these plays Eli clearly could have put the ball in a better spot, he knows it, I know it, you know it. Secondly, these throws surely do not end up where Eli wants them to be. With this known, how could you possibly qualify any of this throws as good?

I don't know why you aren't picking up what I'm saying about Walsh and why its relevant, but ill go further.

Walsh got mad at Joe Montana when the ball made it to the WR in a place that was catchable, but made him slow his route or such. Meaning the ball got there, and it was STILL a bad throw. You can apply this logic to 90% of Eli's tip ints. The balls are in a spot where even if the WR catches it, he isn't going anywhere but to the ground, but it is quite clear if a good throw is made alot of space is there for extra yards to be gained. This is why it is not a good throw by NFL standards.

</p>


Lawl. I've been having this exact argument with Matt for months. His view is that the QB's only responsibility is to throw the ball in the vicinity of the WR and the rest is on the WR. If he doesn't catch it, its not Eli's fault.</p>


What he doesn't understand is that most Division 3 college QB's can do that.</p>


You will never convince him because he is blinded by his agenda that Eli is never to blame. If he was convinced otherwise, his little world will come crashing down on him and I really don't want to see that happen.</p>


Best for his to live in his fantasy world.</p>




define vicinity.. .hitting them in both hands is more than just in the vicinity

Moorehead, the only agenda going on here is the cum shots u take in the mouth over nicks and mario. God forbid they don't do something right or perfect, everybody else is hater. You totally dismis the fact that they can do any wrong. Its sad actually. Its to the point where balls bounce off their hands and ur blaming the QB
</p>


I think Nicks is very good and MM is almost as good. I don't think they are <u>that</u> great. This has nothing to do with the WR's for me. It has everything to do with those fans who refuse to hold our QB accountable for his poor play and he poor decision making.</p>


Its about my frustration when some call him a "gunslinger" when his past success shows us that when he is especially careful with the ball, we can be great.</p>


As you know the 4 game playoff run was very average in yards and TD's. He averaged 220 yards and 1.5 TD's per game. That extends to about 3500 yards and 24 TD's for a season. Not bad. But ONE turnover in 4 games and that was on Steve Smith. That is the formula for winning football games. That formula produced three straight wins over teams with a combined record of 45-6. NOT this rediculous, romantic notion of "gunslingers".</p>


Eli's history PROVES that I'm right. </p>




stop it. You've basically taking more shots to the mouth than a boxer these past few weeks with the way you've been talking about them. Again, sorry that I use the terms in the way they actually mean oppose to "WHAT THEY MEAN TO MOOREHEAD".

Speaking of that Steve Smith interception - why was that interception his fault?

If you want to talk history - whats the history of interceptions with QBs in Gilbrides offense. (i'll never let u live that down for pointing it out to me)
</p>


It was on Smith because Eli threw it only where his guy could catch it and Smith took a low ball and deflected it up in the air. I blame the QB much more for a high pass being deflected, but a low pass in on the WR.</p>


Gilbride's offense is not the same as his offense from 20 years ago. Gilbride ran a run and shoot. Do you even know what that is?</p>


Maybe you can list the characteristics of the Giants offense that make it a run and shoot. And maybe you can produce any expert on any link that suggests that the Giants run a run and shoot offense.</p>


Have fun.</p>




so then by saying that, your suggesting a high pass couldn't be the only place a receiver could catch it?

The question is, do YOU know what a run and shoot is. Like i've said before I'd say we run more of a balanced run and shoot but pretty much everything is like the run and shoot. you have the misconception that you need 4 WRs on the field for the run and shoot and thats not true.

per wiki:

-The Run &amp; Shoot system uses a formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28American_football%29) consisting of one running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) and between two and four wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver).

-This system makes extensive use of receiver motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28football%29) (having a receiver suddenly change position by running left or right, parallel to the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage), just before the ball is snapped), both to create advantageous mismatches with the opposing defensive players and to help reveal what coverage the defense is using.

-The basic idea behind the Run &amp; Shoot is a flexible offense that adjusts "on the fly," as the receivers are free to adjust their routes as they are running them in response to the defensive coverage employed.

-The quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback), as a result, also has to read and react to the defense's coverages in a more improvised manner than with other offensive systems.

-Many of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) teams that used the Run &amp; Shoot in the early 1990s used true wide receivers in all four receiving positions. The types of running backs used varied from smaller backs who could catch passes to big, bruising running backs who could run with power. The frequent passing plays run out of this formation tend to spread out the defense's players. If repeated pass plays work, the defense is not as prepared for running plays; running the ball between the offensive tackles, or just off-tackle, is now possible and more likely to succeed.



that last one was just to let you know about how far behind the times you are.

So again, how is this NOT like our offense?


</p>


</p>


The run and shoot uses chris crossing pattern. there are always 5 guys running a route. There is no fullback.</p>


And I read that same Wiki article a few weeks ago. You might take note that it mentions that it was an offense run in the early nineties. Maybe you can show me where it says........</p>


"that it is also used currently by the New York Giants and offers an excuse for Eli Manning so Eli Cultists don't have to blame him".</p>


</p>


Matt...The "run and shoot" died two decades ago. It exists only in the mind of Meyerbud. It lives gloriously on the gridirons in your head. Its a wonderful place. Only accessable when arguing with Morehead or when drinking heavily.</p>


Go there Matt.....Go there and be at peace.</p>




and like i've said MULTIPLE times, we run a hybrid type run and shoot. A more run balanced one to be exact.

#teamdramatic is BACK
</p>


Matt....the "shoot" portion of the run and shoot requires a partial sprint out by the QB. The run and shoot required a QB that could throw on the run, which they almost always did. It also required the O line to sprint out as a unit to one side or another. If you ever watched the Oilers of the early 90's (Warren Moon) or the Falcons of the same time ( Jeff George) you would see the same characteristics. The main proponent of the run and shoot is June Jones who was a former QB for the Falcons.</p>


It is commonly accepted that the zone blitz killed the run ans shoot.</p>


Instead of cutting and pasting Wikipedia, maybe you should really try to learn what it is before you say something as silly as suggesting the Giants play anything that resembles that offense.</p>


I watched it being used and it looked more like something you would see in the CFL or Arena football.</p>



</p>




</p>


Again, like i said we run a hybrid version of the run and shoot. The main characteristics of our offensive sets, motions, and offensive route running is all based on the run an dshoot.
</p>




</p>


Its great that u watched so much of the Oilers in the early 90s. What about the mid 90s jags?</p>



Just admit u are wrong. You asked me to explain why we run a more balanced run and shoot. I did that effectively.

The only thing that is different is the mobility of the QB. We like to keep our QB in the pocket, for obvious reasons, but there are more things taken from the TRUE run and shoot offense than we left out
</p>


The run and shoot is dead Matt. You are being a child now. Stop because its getting silly. There is nothing about the run and shoot that resembles our offense.</p>


Oh wait....there are 11 guys in both offenses. Thats where the similarity ends.</p>


If you are so sure, show me any expert who agrees with you.</p>




hence why i would say a more balance run and shoot...

lol calling me a baby because you've only made ONE point vs the 5 other points made against ur argument. Sorry, i guess i am a babby. I love proving you wrong
</p>


You are grasping at straws Matt. But I would love to be proven wrong. Cite me an expert who agrees with you.</p>


In the run and shoot there are always 5 guys in the route.</p>


The run and shoot requires the O line and QB to sprint right or left in most passing plays.</p>


The run and shoot has no fullback</p>


The run and shoot requires an athletic QB who can throw on the run. (sound like Eli?)</p>


None of these basics of the run and shoot are consistent with our offense.</p>

that is another pappy definitly. You don't need 5 WRs runnin g aroute at all times.

again we are using actual definitions, not writing an essay paper for school titled: "WHAT THE RUN AND SHOOT OFFENSE MEANS TO ME"

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 04:18 PM
I never said 5 wr's. I said 5 guys running routes.</P>


Thats one of the staples of the run and shoot.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 04:30 PM
I never said 5 wr's. I said 5 guys running routes.</p>


Thats one of the staples of the run and shoot.</p>

and again, thats not true

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 04:33 PM
would just like to point out to you beckum lovers that Ballard is listed as the starter on the depth chart

if that doesn't tell u how bad Beckum is, you'll never understand

We wouldn't make too much of this. At a burly 6'6/256, Ballard will play
on run downs as a blocking specialist. Travis Beckum is still in line
to handle the majority of the passing-down work, though he may be
another year away from a true breakout season.


Rotoworld


lol by next year he'll be cut. He'll go the way of Phillip Dillard
http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/blogs-prod-static/mediam/Hatorade_large.jpg


hes the new Gerris Wilkinson. I know i've joked around before and called othe rpeople that- but he is....

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 04:36 PM
I never said 5 wr's. I said 5 guys running routes.</P>


Thats one of the staples of the run and shoot.</P>




and again, thats not true
</P>


Geez Matt. You're like a little friggin Terrier, nipping at my ankles.</P>


Now run along home. Or I'll call the dog catcher.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 04:39 PM
no more arguing

Goff done for the season

i feel like the wind has been taken out of my sails....

good news is we are reportedly going to try and resign kawika

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 04:51 PM
Really with Goff to? This is ****ing becoming like the Twilight Zone

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 04:55 PM
<div class="report">


Patriots waived CB Darius Butler.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The 41st overall pick in the 2009 draft lost his
starting spot in Week 2 of last season and never regained the confidence
of the coaching staff. Bill Belichick's reserve corners must play
special teams, which hurt Butler's chances of sticking on the roster.
Butler looked like a first-rounder coming out of UConn, so he won't get
through waivers. The Panthers and Lions are two teams with a need.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
09-06-2011, 04:58 PM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.


yea, Kawika is coming in rihg tnow. He may be a Giant again soon, which would be awesome

Morehead State
09-06-2011, 05:56 PM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.


yea, Kawika is coming in rihg tnow. He may be a Giant again soon, which would be awesome
</P>


Well to me Mitchell is a SAM not a MIKE.</P>


Plus he doesn't know this system at all. Sounds like a possible overreaction.</P>


Well I guess the Greg Jones era is starting a bit earlier than I thought. But it was always going to happen.</P>

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 06:11 PM
S Jack is available for a WR taken in the 2nd or 3rd rd...

dezzzR
09-06-2011, 07:33 PM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.


yea, Kawika is coming in rihg tnow. He may be a Giant again soon, which would be awesome
</p>


Well to me Mitchell is a SAM not a MIKE.</p>


Plus he doesn't know this system at all. Sounds like a possible overreaction.</p>


Well I guess the Greg Jones era is starting a bit earlier than I thought.<u> But it was always going to happen.</u></p>i was hearing they might look at bulluck again. not with goff playing the way he was.
big L was right. this IS the twighlight zone

lawl
09-06-2011, 10:49 PM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.


yea, Kawika is coming in rihg tnow. He may be a Giant again soon, which would be awesome
</P>


Well to me Mitchell is a SAM not a MIKE.</P>


Plus he doesn't know this system at all.* Sounds like a possible overreaction.</P>


Well I guess the Greg Jones era is starting a bit earlier than I thought.* But it was always going to happen.</P>

Kawika was mike for kc before he first came to us and in pretty sure he played under fewell in buffalo.

bigblue4417
09-06-2011, 11:25 PM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran
free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's
unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the
Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000FF">and could get eaten up by
Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>

byron
09-06-2011, 11:54 PM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.


yea, Kawika is coming in rihg tnow. He may be a Giant again soon, which would be awesome
</P>


Well to me Mitchell is a SAM not a MIKE.</P>


Plus he doesn't know this system at all. Sounds like a possible overreaction.</P>


Well I guess the Greg Jones era is starting a bit earlier than I thought. But it was always going to happen.</P> Kawika was mike for kc before he first came to us and in pretty sure he played under fewell in buffalo.I throught he played under PF also Lawl...throw the rookies out there cut 'em loose and let'em bond!!!...Blitz!!!

lawl
09-07-2011, 12:06 AM
S Jack is available for a WR taken in the 2nd or 3rd rd...

you know the deal-

make it happen.

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 08:30 AM
I have to work at one of our IBM sites for the next 2 days, and possibly all next week =(

bandwgn86
09-07-2011, 08:35 AM
I have to work at one of our IBM sites for the next 2 days, and possibly all next week =(Co workers not so hot at IBM?

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 08:39 AM
I have to work at one of our IBM sites for the next 2 days, and possibly all next week =(Co workers not so hot at IBM?</P>


lol not at all...</P>


We used to be an IBM CU from the 60s till the early 90s...so we still have these on-site "branches" to cater to the IBMers...but the branches are FAR from profitable, and a waste of money. I make more money on a daily basis than this location could possibly make,BUT, ya gotta keep the IBMers hapy since they kept this area alive for during the 70s and 80s lol</P>

bandwgn86
09-07-2011, 08:48 AM
I have to work at one of our IBM sites for the next 2 days, and possibly all next week =(Co workers not so hot at IBM?</P>


lol not at all...</P>


We used to be an IBM CU from the 60s till the early 90s...so we still have these on-site "branches" to cater to the IBMers...but the branches are FAR from profitable, and a waste of money. I make more money on a daily basis than this location could possibly make,*BUT, ya gotta keep the IBMers hapy since they kept this area alive for during the 70s and 80s lol</P>I'm assuming IBM = instant bank machine? What is there to do at a location when everything is done through machines?

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 08:50 AM
I have to work at one of our IBM sites for the next 2 days, and possibly all next week =(Co workers not so hot at IBM?</P>


lol not at all...</P>


We used to be an IBM CU from the 60s till the early 90s...so we still have these on-site "branches" to cater to the IBMers...but the branches are FAR from profitable, and a waste of money. I make more money on a daily basis than this location could possibly make,BUT, ya gotta keep the IBMers hapy since they kept this area alive for during the 70s and 80s lol</P>


I'm assuming IBM = instant bank machine? What is there to do at a location when everything is done through machines?</P>


/facepalm
i love you bandy</P>


IBM.......International Business Machines? lol....formerly one of the biggest corporations in the world? lol</P>

bandwgn86
09-07-2011, 08:54 AM
I have to work at one of our IBM sites for the next 2 days, and possibly all next week =(Co workers not so hot at IBM?</P>


lol not at all...</P>


We used to be an IBM CU from the 60s till the early 90s...so we still have these on-site "branches" to cater to the IBMers...but the branches are FAR from profitable, and a waste of money. I make more money on a daily basis than this location could possibly make,*BUT, ya gotta keep the IBMers hapy since they kept this area alive for during the 70s and 80s lol</P>


I'm assuming IBM = instant bank machine? What is there to do at a location when everything is done through machines?</P>


/facepalm
i love you bandy</P>


IBM.......International Business Machines? lol....formerly one of the biggest corporations in the world? lol</P>Ohh those guys. Sorry lol

bandwgn86
09-07-2011, 08:56 AM
So howd the draft go JP? What's your FF team like

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 09:01 AM
So howd the draft go JP? What's your FF team like</P>


I'm not in this league this year.
I did have my other leagues still that i've been doing for about 5 years.

I got your boy Ochocinco in my 12 team league =P</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 09:02 AM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.


yea, Kawika is coming in rihg tnow. He may be a Giant again soon, which would be awesome
</p>


Well to me Mitchell is a SAM not a MIKE.</p>


Plus he doesn't know this system at all. Sounds like a possible overreaction.</p>


Well I guess the Greg Jones era is starting a bit earlier than I thought. But it was always going to happen.</p>

he played half of his career at MLB

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 09:03 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran
free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's
unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the
Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by
Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>

i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol

ny06
09-07-2011, 09:07 AM
<DIV class=report>


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <FONT color=#0000ff>and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<FONT color=#000000>I bet Matt just loves that...</FONT>
</FONT></DIV>


</P>


I would put Jones as the starter, see what he can do out there. </P>


Of course he will have his rookie mistakes, but this could be a blessing in disguise. </P>

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 09:13 AM
Morehead loved when we picked up Greg Jones. He seems to be playing well and can maybe fill that role. Probably not though. Looks like all these rookie LB's are going to be getting in the fire.


yea, Kawika is coming in rihg tnow. He may be a Giant again soon, which would be awesome
</p>


Well to me Mitchell is a SAM not a MIKE.</p>


Plus he doesn't know this system at all. Sounds like a possible overreaction.</p>


Well I guess the Greg Jones era is starting a bit earlier than I thought. But it was always going to happen.</p>

he played half of his career at MLB
They are going to look at Kawika Micthell(old nyg-curr with Buffalo)?

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 09:15 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran
free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's
unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the
Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by
Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>

i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.

Morehead State
09-07-2011, 09:21 AM
<DIV class=report>


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <FONT color=#0000ff>and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<FONT color=#000000>I bet Matt just loves that...</FONT>
</FONT></DIV>




i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
</P>


These injuries are not devistating.</P>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</P>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Couldn't make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</P>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</P>

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 09:23 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>




i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
</p>


These injuries are not devistating.</p>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</p>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Could make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</p>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</p>I have to remain optimistic as well. I think our defense can get it done and give the offense opportunities. Eli has to play clean and crisp.

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 09:23 AM
Matt--Did you get your water restored? What was wrong with the valve?

Morehead State
09-07-2011, 09:28 AM
<DIV class=report>


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <FONT color=#0000ff>and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<FONT color=#000000>I bet Matt just loves that...</FONT>
</FONT></DIV>




i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
</P>


These injuries are not devistating.</P>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</P>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Could make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</P>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</P>


I have to remain optimistic as well. I think our defense can get it done and give the offense opportunities. Eli has to play clean and crisp.
</P>


If Eli starts chucking it into coverage on Sunday I'm gunna throw something.</P>

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 09:29 AM
Wait a minute.....where's my avatar? You gotta be ****tin me? wtf? Nigga Please

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 09:30 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>




i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
</p>


These injuries are not devistating.</p>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</p>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Could make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</p>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</p>


I have to remain optimistic as well. I think our defense can get it done and give the offense opportunities. Eli has to play clean and crisp.
</p>


If Eli starts chucking it into coverage on Sunday I'm gunna throw something.</p>Haha-I'll lose it as well.

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 09:33 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>




i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
</p>


These injuries are not devistating.</p>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</p>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Couldn't make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</p>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</p>

its all about contract with this new vet minimum. Wait til u see the names being signed after week 1

Goff was a huge loss - especially for our run defense. Kid was getting significantly bettetr every year and this preseason he looked AWESOME. He was recognizing the pass and dropping to where he should be. Goff looked good. Coupled with T2 - its devistating

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 09:34 AM
Wait a minute.....where's my avatar? You gotta be ****tin me? wtf? Nigga Please


lol figured they'd disable it

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 09:36 AM
Matt--Did you get your water restored? What was wrong with the valve?


had to be replaced

all good we have water... still have to finish things and then paint

i HATE painting

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 09:47 AM
If Eli starts chucking it into coverage on Sunday <FONT color=#0000ff>I'm gunna throw something</FONT>.</P>


....into coverage.</P>


lol</P>

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 09:49 AM
Wait a minute.....where's my avatar? You gotta be ****tin me? wtf? Nigga Please


lol figured they'd disable it
haha, so did I---that's why I was flaunting it in tagf ystdy. lol.

Painting Sucks

dezzzR
09-07-2011, 10:02 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran
free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's
unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the
Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by
Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>well i cant remember the last time the skins rushed for 100 yards on us so i think were in good shape.

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 10:05 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran
free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's
unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the
Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by
Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>well i cant remember the last time the skins rushed for 100 yards on us so i think were in good shape.
It is the ultimate disgrace for a defense to get run on.

dezzzR
09-07-2011, 10:06 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>




i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
</p>


These injuries are not devistating.</p>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</p>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Couldn't make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</p>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</p>i still dont get how anyone can be more worried about offense than defense.

dezzzR
09-07-2011, 10:09 AM
Wait a minute.....where's my avatar? You gotta be ****tin me? wtf? Nigga Please


lol figured they'd disable it
haha, so did I---that's why I was flaunting it in tagf ystdy. lol.

mods Suck
there ya go.

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 10:10 AM
i still dont get how anyone can be more worried about offense than defense.
</P>


yea idk....with how many defensive players we've lost to IR already before the damn season even started....its hard to not be concerned about it.</P>

Morehead State
09-07-2011, 10:10 AM
<DIV class=report>


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <FONT color=#0000ff>and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<FONT color=#000000>I bet Matt just loves that...</FONT>
</FONT></DIV>




i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
</P>


These injuries are not devistating.</P>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</P>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Couldn't make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</P>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</P>


i still dont get how anyone can be more worried about offense than defense.
</P>


I'm more worried about the play of the QB. The defense is looking good. D line is awesome. Safeties are good and corners are a bit thin but still solid. The MLB position is obviously now a problem but I love Greg Jones. he may make some mistakes, but he will also make some plays.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 10:15 AM
did my last draft of the year last night. Just have to draft for my buddy on sat and my fantasy football drafts are done

Team 1: Flex: PPR: 10

QB: Tony Romo, Cutler
RB: Charles, Hightower, Michael Bush, Ryan Mathews, Danny Woodhead
WR: Calvin, Nicks, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Lloyd
TE: Jimmy Graham, Kellen Winslow
D: SD

Team 2: Standard: PPR: 10
QB: Romo, Eli
RB: Rice, McCoy, FJax, Hightower, Tolbert
WR: Wallace, Stevie Johnson, Maclin, Julio Jones, Lance Moore
TE: Witten
DE: Chi

Our Leauge
Team 3:
QB: Peyton, Freeman, Cutler
RB: McCoy, Hightower, Starks Helu, Chester Taylor, Marion Barber
WR: Calvin, Marshall, Plax, Boldin, Steve Smith (phi)
TE: Dallas Clark
DE: StL

Team 4: Standard: non PPR: 12
QB: Stafford, Cutler, McCoy
RB: Charles, Hightower, Jacobs, Stewart, Helu
WR: Calvin, VJack, Colsten, Roy Williams, Devin HEster
TE: Witten
DE: San Fran


Team 5:
QB: Matt Ryan, Flacco, Killa Cam
RB: Ray Rice, Gore, Benson, Spiller, McGahee, Choice, Chester Taylor
WR: Gennings, Boldin, Ocho, Roy Will, Brad Smith
TE: Gonzo
DE: Jets

I ****ed up picking ocho over STevie Johnson. Thats the only regret I have

Looks like im riding wtih Romo (2 teams) , Cutler (3 teams), Charles (2 teams), Hightower (4 teams), Rice (2 teams), McCoy (2 teams), Calvin (3), Boldin (2), Witten (2)

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 10:20 AM
Wait a minute.....where's my avatar? You gotta be ****tin me? wtf? Nigga Please


lol figured they'd disable it
haha, so did I---that's why I was flaunting it in tagf ystdy. lol.

mods Suck
there ya go.
LOL-How could you not like looking at that...even Matt loved it.

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 10:22 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran
free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's
unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the
Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by
Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>well i cant remember the last time the skins rushed for 100 yards on us so i think were in good shape.


Portis def did it in his prime. Portis use to tear us up.

Dont sleep on Washington this year man. Once Beck gets in there hes a pretty good player - Hightower wil lbe LEGIT this year. I am honestly so high on him for fantasy, that losing Goff so close to the game is worrying me

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 10:23 AM
Wait a minute.....where's my avatar? You gotta be ****tin me? wtf? Nigga Please


lol figured they'd disable it
haha, so did I---that's why I was flaunting it in tagf ystdy. lol.

mods Suck
there ya go.
LOL-How could you not like looking at that...even Matt loved it.



yeaaaa budddy

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 10:25 AM
<DIV class=report>


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <FONT color=#0000ff>and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<FONT color=#000000>I bet Matt just loves that...</FONT>
</FONT></DIV>


well i cant remember the last time the skins rushed for 100 yards on us so i think were in good shape.


Portis def did it in his prime. Portis use to tear us up.

Dont sleep on Washington this year man. Once Beck gets in there hes a pretty good player - Hightower wil lbe LEGIT this year. I am honestly so high on him for fantasy, that losing Goff so close to the game is worrying me
</P>


they named Grossman the starter yesterday.</P>

lttaylor56
09-07-2011, 10:26 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>


well i cant remember the last time the skins rushed for 100 yards on us so i think were in good shape.


Portis def did it in his prime. Portis use to tear us up.

Dont sleep on Washington this year man. Once Beck gets in there hes a pretty good player - Hightower wil lbe LEGIT this year. I am honestly so high on him for fantasy, that losing Goff so close to the game is worrying me
</p>


they named Grossman the starter yesterday.</p>I heard they made that decision Monday. Grossman has to be completely disturbed after what we did to him last year at the Chicago game. lmao.

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 10:30 AM
<div class="report">


Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
</font></div>


well i cant remember the last time the skins rushed for 100 yards on us so i think were in good shape.


Portis def did it in his prime. Portis use to tear us up.

Dont sleep on Washington this year man. Once Beck gets in there hes a pretty good player - Hightower wil lbe LEGIT this year. I am honestly so high on him for fantasy, that losing Goff so close to the game is worrying me
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they named Grossman the starter yesterday.</p>

thats why i said once Beck gets in there

They are just throwing Grossman to the wolves... they didn't want Beck to feel our pass rush as his first start

dezzzR
09-07-2011, 10:36 AM
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Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
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i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
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These injuries are not devistating.</p>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</p>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Couldn't make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</p>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</p>


i still dont get how anyone can be more worried about offense than defense.
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I'm more worried about the play of the QB. The defense is looking good. D line is awesome. Safeties are good and corners are a bit thin but still solid. The MLB position is obviously now a problem but I love Greg Jones. he may make some mistakes, but he will also make some plays.</p>our dline is always awesome. im not sold on ross at all and im not sold on fewells scheme.. they cant finish out games and cant compete with elite passing teams, or even decent passing teams, which is what he was brought in for. stop the pass. kitna threw all over us last year for christ sake
the defense hurt us more than elis ints last year, thats for sure.

JPizzack
09-07-2011, 10:38 AM
I heard they made that decision Monday. Grossman has to be completely disturbed after what we did to him last year at the Chicago game. lmao.
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grossman played on teh bears still last year? then why did he start once shanahan pulled mcnabb?!? did he get traded or is LT mistaken?</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-07-2011, 10:40 AM
I heard they made that decision Monday. Grossman has to be completely disturbed after what we did to him last year at the Chicago game. lmao.
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grossman played on teh bears still last year? then why did he start once shanahan pulled mcnabb?!? did he get traded or is LT mistaken?</p>

no, he was in Houston last year

bigblue4417
09-07-2011, 10:44 AM
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Sixth-round pick Greg Jones will most likely be the Giants' starter at middle linebacker this Sunday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Giants are fully expected to sign a veteran free agent to take Jonathan Goff's place on the roster, but it's unlikely they would be ready to start by this Sunday. Jones ran with the Giants' third teamers during training camp, <font color="#0000ff">and could get eaten up by Tim Hightower and the Redskins' rushing attack this weekend.

<font color="#000000">I bet Matt just loves that...</font>
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i can't evne get excited for fantasy

this goff thing really feels like a punch in the balls

we just got no slack cut for us

although, i did have another draft last night and i attained Calvin Johnson AND Tim Hightower - again lol
Nice on the drafts. We are taking our lumps with injuries....dam-very bad year.
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These injuries are not devistating.</p>


The one bad one is TT. All other players are either back ups or very replaceable starters.</p>


Not sure about Mitchell at all. No one wanted him. Couldn't make an NFL roster, but we'll see. I'm very good with Greg Jones at MLB.</p>


Worry about Eli. If Eli plays well, we will be fine. If he plays like last year, we are in trouble.</p>

its all about contract with this new vet minimum. Wait til u see the names being signed after week 1

Goff was a huge loss - especially for our run defense. Kid was getting significantly bettetr every year and this preseason he looked AWESOME. He was recognizing the pass and dropping to where he should be. Goff looked good. Coupled with T2 - its devistating

He also played every single game last year. It does suck. We can't catch a break....