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MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 02:39 PM
and what a disgrace to not stand during taps..........DISGRACE. i wish people like this would just leave our country.


thats why i hate religion...

i don't care what anybody says, it causes more harm than it does good

I must disagree with the sentiment that God is the only way to love
agreeed. and people use and manipulate religions for their personal gain.
hell were fighting wars right now because of religion.
</p>


Jahovahs are exactly the opposite of what you describe. they don't believe in war at all for any reason. They believe that religion should be completely detached from politics. So much so that they are forbidden to participate.</p>


If they are just sitting there, what have they done to manipulate or incite anything? And trust me, they sacrifice a lot and don't do any of it for personal gain. Its in violation of their faith. I don't believe a lot of what they believe but I respect anyone who lives a life thats about something greater than themselves.</p>

I don't understand how Morehead can be completely reasonable with something like this and make so much sense...but then be bat-**** insane lunatic like about Eli.


mind bottling ain't it

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:40 PM
and what a disgrace to not stand during taps..........DISGRACE. i wish people like this would just leave our country.
</P>


Jehova's Witnesses are forbidden by their religion to participate in any political activity of any kind. It is not a disgrace at all. They may feel strongly about the tradgedy on 9/11 but are forbidden to participate.</P>


The other stuff is a different matter. And who knows how anything happened, </P>


I have friends who are Jehova's Witnesses including a couple who are two of the biggest, whackiest Giants fans I have ever known. Great people. But I would imagine they would sit for taps. Not as an insult, but compelled by their faith.</P>




Thats fine, but the report is they were also being rude and disrespectful to those around them by talking loud.

If you don't wish to partake in it, that is your freedom. But to be disrespectful to others around you, thats a different story.

The irony is that he was being disrespectful to the process that gives him the freedom to sit or stand. Ignorance
</P>


I doubt it but I can't say obviously. I can imagine a scenario where they are sitting and someone gives them **** about it and then it gets ugly. if you are committed enough to follow the Jahovah faith, you are most lucky to follow one of its basic tenants. Which is respect for those who disagree with you.</P>


Putting that aside. Dez's comments are ignorant and foolish.</P>


just like it was ignorant and foolish for that idiot not to stand. but its his religion.........
</P>


How is that hurting anyone? They have no malice for anyone who stands. Yet you seem to have it for those who don't.</P>




i agree if its his religion, its his religion....

but i do understand what dezz is saying as well. To not show any respect and be disrespectful to the flag that lets u ahve that freedom to believe in who u want to believe in is different than just not partaking

but obviously this guy was loose in the head bringing a tazer to the game. If he felt that unsafe, he shouldn't of came.
</P>


A faithful follower of that faith has great respect for the dead. They don't believe they need to show it in the same way some others do. A little tolerance Mr. Democrat.</P>

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 02:42 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 02:46 PM
and what a disgrace to not stand during taps..........DISGRACE. i wish people like this would just leave our country.
</p>


Jehova's Witnesses are forbidden by their religion to participate in any political activity of any kind. It is not a disgrace at all. They may feel strongly about the tradgedy on 9/11 but are forbidden to participate.</p>


The other stuff is a different matter. And who knows how anything happened, </p>


I have friends who are Jehova's Witnesses including a couple who are two of the biggest, whackiest Giants fans I have ever known. Great people. But I would imagine they would sit for taps. Not as an insult, but compelled by their faith.</p>




Thats fine, but the report is they were also being rude and disrespectful to those around them by talking loud.

If you don't wish to partake in it, that is your freedom. But to be disrespectful to others around you, thats a different story.

The irony is that he was being disrespectful to the process that gives him the freedom to sit or stand. Ignorance
</p>


I doubt it but I can't say obviously. I can imagine a scenario where they are sitting and someone gives them **** about it and then it gets ugly. if you are committed enough to follow the Jahovah faith, you are most lucky to follow one of its basic tenants. Which is respect for those who disagree with you.</p>


Putting that aside. Dez's comments are ignorant and foolish.</p>


just like it was ignorant and foolish for that idiot not to stand. but its his religion.........
</p>


How is that hurting anyone? They have no malice for anyone who stands. <u>Yet you seem to have it for those who don't.</u></p>its not hurting anyone. but obviously the gesture greatly insulted a member of the usmc enough for him to say something about it.
cause i love my country like they love God.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:46 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</P>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</P>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</P>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 02:46 PM
and what a disgrace to not stand during taps..........DISGRACE. i wish people like this would just leave our country.
</p>


Jehova's Witnesses are forbidden by their religion to participate in any political activity of any kind. It is not a disgrace at all. They may feel strongly about the tradgedy on 9/11 but are forbidden to participate.</p>


The other stuff is a different matter. And who knows how anything happened, </p>


I have friends who are Jehova's Witnesses including a couple who are two of the biggest, whackiest Giants fans I have ever known. Great people. But I would imagine they would sit for taps. Not as an insult, but compelled by their faith.</p>




Thats fine, but the report is they were also being rude and disrespectful to those around them by talking loud.

If you don't wish to partake in it, that is your freedom. But to be disrespectful to others around you, thats a different story.

The irony is that he was being disrespectful to the process that gives him the freedom to sit or stand. Ignorance
</p>


I doubt it but I can't say obviously. I can imagine a scenario where they are sitting and someone gives them **** about it and then it gets ugly. if you are committed enough to follow the Jahovah faith, you are most lucky to follow one of its basic tenants. Which is respect for those who disagree with you.</p>


Putting that aside. Dez's comments are ignorant and foolish.</p>


just like it was ignorant and foolish for that idiot not to stand. but its his religion.........
</p>


How is that hurting anyone? They have no malice for anyone who stands. Yet you seem to have it for those who don't.</p>




i agree if its his religion, its his religion....

but i do understand what dezz is saying as well. To not show any respect and be disrespectful to the flag that lets u ahve that freedom to believe in who u want to believe in is different than just not partaking

but obviously this guy was loose in the head bringing a tazer to the game. If he felt that unsafe, he shouldn't of came.
</p>


A faithful follower of that faith has great respect for the dead. They don't believe they need to show it in the same way some others do. A little tolerance Mr. Democrat.</p>

i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 02:48 PM
Everyone has different ways about going about honoring those who've passed away, if it's important to them that they don't stand it is not disrespectful it's what they must do....as long as they aren't drawing attention to themselves purposefully.

my #1 question with all this though is how the **** did he get a taser into the building?

also there was a report that he took out 3 people with said taser, how the ****? is he like the Bruce Lee of Taser users?

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:49 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 02:50 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</p>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</p>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</p>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</p>

yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free

guess i'm a socialist

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 02:50 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</p>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</p>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</p>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</p>you know that was a joke old man.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:50 PM
and what a disgrace to not stand during taps..........DISGRACE. i wish people like this would just leave our country.
</P>


Jehova's Witnesses are forbidden by their religion to participate in any political activity of any kind. It is not a disgrace at all. They may feel strongly about the tradgedy on 9/11 but are forbidden to participate.</P>


The other stuff is a different matter. And who knows how anything happened, </P>


I have friends who are Jehova's Witnesses including a couple who are two of the biggest, whackiest Giants fans I have ever known. Great people. But I would imagine they would sit for taps. Not as an insult, but compelled by their faith.</P>




Thats fine, but the report is they were also being rude and disrespectful to those around them by talking loud.

If you don't wish to partake in it, that is your freedom. But to be disrespectful to others around you, thats a different story.

The irony is that he was being disrespectful to the process that gives him the freedom to sit or stand. Ignorance
</P>


I doubt it but I can't say obviously. I can imagine a scenario where they are sitting and someone gives them **** about it and then it gets ugly. if you are committed enough to follow the Jahovah faith, you are most lucky to follow one of its basic tenants. Which is respect for those who disagree with you.</P>


Putting that aside. Dez's comments are ignorant and foolish.</P>


just like it was ignorant and foolish for that idiot not to stand. but its his religion.........
</P>


How is that hurting anyone? They have no malice for anyone who stands. Yet you seem to have it for those who don't.</P>




i agree if its his religion, its his religion....

but i do understand what dezz is saying as well. To not show any respect and be disrespectful to the flag that lets u ahve that freedom to believe in who u want to believe in is different than just not partaking

but obviously this guy was loose in the head bringing a tazer to the game. If he felt that unsafe, he shouldn't of came.
</P>


A faithful follower of that faith has great respect for the dead. They don't believe they need to show it in the same way some others do. A little tolerance Mr. Democrat.</P>




i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man
</P>


Loving liberty aint going red or blue...its going red, white and blue.</P>

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 02:51 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 02:52 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

where did u get that from?

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 02:53 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:53 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</P>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</P>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</P>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</P>




yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free

guess i'm a socialist
</P>


yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free........</P>


<FONT size=4>........Or Else.

</FONT></P>

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 02:53 PM
Everyone has different ways about going about honoring those who've passed away, if it's important to them that they don't stand it is not disrespectful it's what they must do....as long as they aren't drawing attention to themselves purposefully.

my #1 question with all this though is how the **** did he get a taser into the building?

also there was a report that he took out 3 people with said taser, how the ****? is he like the Bruce Lee of Taser users?
rf made a great point that he carries 2 phones in and says " got 2 phones" when hes being patted down and they just let him go. same with me, theyll pat my pockets, even if they feel something they dont really do anything. one guy checked my hoodie once. thats about it.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:54 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

where did u get that from?
</P>


Morehead knows all. Thats all you need to know.</P>

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 02:55 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</p>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</p>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</p>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</p>




yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free

guess i'm a socialist
</p>


yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free........</p>


<font size="4">........Or Else.

</font></p>or else youre a scumbag, then you should leave

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 02:56 PM
and what a disgrace to not stand during taps..........DISGRACE. i wish people like this would just leave our country.
</p>


Jehova's Witnesses are forbidden by their religion to participate in any political activity of any kind. It is not a disgrace at all. They may feel strongly about the tradgedy on 9/11 but are forbidden to participate.</p>


The other stuff is a different matter. And who knows how anything happened, </p>


I have friends who are Jehova's Witnesses including a couple who are two of the biggest, whackiest Giants fans I have ever known. Great people. But I would imagine they would sit for taps. Not as an insult, but compelled by their faith.</p>




Thats fine, but the report is they were also being rude and disrespectful to those around them by talking loud.

If you don't wish to partake in it, that is your freedom. But to be disrespectful to others around you, thats a different story.

The irony is that he was being disrespectful to the process that gives him the freedom to sit or stand. Ignorance
</p>


I doubt it but I can't say obviously. I can imagine a scenario where they are sitting and someone gives them **** about it and then it gets ugly. if you are committed enough to follow the Jahovah faith, you are most lucky to follow one of its basic tenants. Which is respect for those who disagree with you.</p>


Putting that aside. Dez's comments are ignorant and foolish.</p>


just like it was ignorant and foolish for that idiot not to stand. but its his religion.........
</p>


How is that hurting anyone? They have no malice for anyone who stands. Yet you seem to have it for those who don't.</p>




i agree if its his religion, its his religion....

but i do understand what dezz is saying as well. To not show any respect and be disrespectful to the flag that lets u ahve that freedom to believe in who u want to believe in is different than just not partaking

but obviously this guy was loose in the head bringing a tazer to the game. If he felt that unsafe, he shouldn't of came.
</p>


A faithful follower of that faith has great respect for the dead. They don't believe they need to show it in the same way some others do. A little tolerance Mr. Democrat.</p>




i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man
</p>


Loving liberty aint going red or blue...its going red, white and blue.</p>

exactly - so don't go MR. Republican on me

bandwgn86
09-13-2011, 02:56 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</p>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</p>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose.* Its called Liberty.</p>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</p>

yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free

guess i'm a socialist
pinko

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</P>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</P>

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</P>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.




uhg go away, ur annoyyyyyyying

showing respect for our boys has nothing to do about political affiliation

if u read anything else i said on this topic u would of saw that I was very tolerant of his religion. IF he chose not to stand I hav eno issue with that. I DO have an issue with him being disrespectful by being a distraction WHILE others were showing their respect.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 02:58 PM
I think its a great signing. he's a solid player who would represent very little drop off from Goff.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 02:59 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</p>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</p>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</p>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</p>




yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free

guess i'm a socialist
</p>


yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free........</p>


<font size="4">........Or Else.

</font></p>

again typical moore head and republican (who claim not to be republicans) are trying to pretend like im taking issue with the fact he didn't stand. That isn't what I said at all, i guess your readin comprehension is in question as well

I take issue with him talking loud and being disrespectful to the point where others around him had to say something

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 02:59 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</p>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</p>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</p>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</p>




yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free

guess i'm a socialist
</p>


yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free........</p>


<font size="4">........Or Else.

</font></p>or else youre a scumbag, then you should leave
I'm gonna taser the next sunna va biatch that say's Shannanigans.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:00 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

where did u get that from?
</p>


Morehead knows all. Thats all you need to know.</p>

i think ur full of ****...

even though ur *** was just cleaned by the doc

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 03:00 PM
Seriously though--security is a bit lax at the stadium--I bet I could get a glock in there.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:01 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</p>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</p>

no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 03:01 PM
and if the guy got his *** kicked for not standing i guess that was gods way of saying, STAND UP!!! lol
</P>


So thats the kind of country you want to live in?</P>


I want to live in a country where people can live the way they choose. Its called Liberty.</P>


If you don'tlike it take it up with James Madison.</P>




yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free

guess i'm a socialist
</P>


yes moorehead, i do want to live in a country where other people living in that country respect those have fallen, faught, or are fighting to keep it free........</P>


<FONT size=4>........Or Else.

</FONT></P>




again typical moore head and republican (who claim not to be republicans) are trying to pretend like im taking issue with the fact he didn't stand. That isn't what I said at all, i guess your readin comprehension is in question as well

I take issue with him talking loud and being disrespectful to the point where others around him had to say something
</P>


You are quickly becoming my favorite poster to poke with a stick. Your like a bundle of nerves.</P>

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 03:02 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

where did u get that from?
</p>


Morehead knows all. Thats all you need to know.</p>

i think ur full of ****...

even though ur *** was just cleaned by the doc
uh oh, not the *** again. That killed the thread bfre?

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 03:04 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</P>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</P>




no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill


</P>


Roanoke reported it. Showed a link and now the Mod's took down the thread.</P>

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 03:04 PM
uhg go away, ur annoyyyyyyying

showing respect for our boys has nothing to do about political affiliation

if u read anything else i said on this topic u would of saw that I was very tolerant of his religion. IF he chose not to stand I hav eno issue with that. I DO have an issue with him being disrespectful by being a distraction WHILE others were showing their respect.


Got into the discussion late...if that's your stance then fine.

but if you are or anyone of you are being judgmental about him "not standing" you are the ones in the wrong.

it's their right as Americans to honor/respect the dead in the manner of their choosing....just because you don't understand/agree with it doesn't mean you have the right to harass them.

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 03:07 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</p>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</p>




no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill


</p>


Roanoke reported it. Showed a link and now the Mod's took down the thread.</p>gOD DAM mod's ---I still do not have avatar ability----

because the mods took offense to something that I think was very easy on the eyes.

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 03:09 PM
Everyone has different ways about going about honoring those who've passed away, if it's important to them that they don't stand it is not disrespectful it's what they must do....as long as they aren't drawing attention to themselves purposefully.

my #1 question with all this though is how the **** did he get a taser into the building?

also there was a report that he took out 3 people with said taser, how the ****? is he like the Bruce Lee of Taser users?
rf made a great point that he carries 2 phones in and says " got 2 phones" when hes being patted down and they just let him go. same with me, theyll pat my pockets, even if they feel something they dont really do anything. one guy checked my hoodie once. thats about it.


understandable on a normal day....but on the Anniversary of 9/11, when they made it a point to let people know there was heightened security...and people apparently were waiting 2+ hours to get into the stadium...

how does that type of heightened security let him get away with that, it's unacceptable.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 03:10 PM
Sorry guys. Roanoke's reports are usually Gospel.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 03:12 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.

lawl
09-13-2011, 03:13 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your vacation!

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:13 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</p>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</p>




no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill


</p>


Roanoke reported it. Showed a link and now the Mod's took down the thread.</p>

http://thegallyblog.com/2010/07/rumor-keith-bulluck-appears-to-have-signed-with-the-new-york-giants/

RF made a boo-boo it was an article from last year

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:15 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</p>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</p>




no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill


</p>


Roanoke reported it. Showed a link and now the Mod's took down the thread.</p>gOD DAM mod's ---I still do not have avatar ability----

because the mods took offense to something that I think was very easy on the eyes.


yes u do. I gave u access and just double checked

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 03:15 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your vacation!
</P>


This thread is different Lawl. If you can't handle the heat.....join Pizz.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:17 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.


I mean i agree with some liberal stuff but i also believe in the death penalty

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 03:17 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your <u>vacation!</u>
vacation? i wish

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:17 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your vacation!


we are above the law here lol

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:17 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your vacation!
</p>


This thread is different Lawl. If you can't handle the heat.....join Pizz.</p>

lmao

ny06
09-13-2011, 03:19 PM
Barry Cofield might have tipped off Ryan Kerrigan on game-changing interception</P>


http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/09/giants_vs_redskins_barry_cofie.html </P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 03:19 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your <u>vacation!</u>
vacation? i wish


i know man, being the owners son must be hard work

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1654/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1654-34769.jpg

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 03:22 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your vacation!


we are above the law here lol
hiiiiiiyyyooooooo hhahahaa

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 03:23 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.


I mean i agree with some liberal stuff but i also believe in the death penalty
</P>


Funny becauseI oppose the death penalty.</P>

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 03:25 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your <u>vacation!</u>
vacation? i wish


i know man, being the owners son must be hard work

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1654/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1654-34769.jpg
you obviously dont know my dad.

nah hes not that bad just looong weeks. i work 6 days sucka.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 03:28 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.


I mean i agree with some liberal stuff but i also believe in the death penalty
</p>


Funny becauseI oppose the death penalty.</p>come visit ny for a day.

no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

lawl
09-13-2011, 03:33 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.


I mean i agree with some liberal stuff but i also believe in the death penalty
</p>


Funny becauseI oppose the death penalty.</p>come visit ny for a day.

no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 03:38 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</p>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</p>




no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill


</p>


Roanoke reported it. Showed a link and now the Mod's took down the thread.</p>gOD DAM mod's ---I still do not have avatar ability----

because the mods took offense to something that I think was very easy on the eyes.


yes u do. I gave u access and just double checked
That's what you said last time, and it didn't work. Thank you ---I will try again. I think they superceded the MMB security clearance.

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 03:40 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</p>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</p>




no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill


</p>


Roanoke reported it. Showed a link and now the Mod's took down the thread.</p>gOD DAM mod's ---I still do not have avatar ability----

because the mods took offense to something that I think was very easy on the eyes.


yes u do. I gave u access and just double checked
That's what you said last time, and it didn't work. Thank you ---I will try again. I think they superceded the MMB security clearance.
Nope-same ****, this is what my profile reads:

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dezzzR
09-13-2011, 03:41 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.


I mean i agree with some liberal stuff but i also believe in the death penalty
</p>


Funny becauseI oppose the death penalty.</p>come visit ny for a day.

no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.
if she were found guilty..........

lawl
09-13-2011, 03:45 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.


I mean i agree with some liberal stuff but i also believe in the death penalty
</p>


Funny becauseI oppose the death penalty.</p>come visit ny for a day.

no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.
if she were found guilty..........

her case shows how fine the line is sometimes between being not guilty and being guilty. You want to kill people who very well may not have done something?

bigblue4417
09-13-2011, 03:46 PM
<p id="yui_3_3_0_2_131593968125048">The Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/phi/)
quarterback sported a new style at his press conference after the game,
sporting a spiffy-looking sport coat and dress shirt over top some Nike
mesh shorts and sandals.</p>
<center id="yui_3_3_0_2_131593968125041">http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/3b/3b2dd7fc8c4e9795ee30d4f204854d54/photo_vick_wears_shorts_sandals_and_a_suit_to_pres s_conference.jpg</center>



</p>

This is a common style amongst television anchors who are only
seen from the waist up during telecasts. A more formal suit/shorts
combination is popular amongst two-year-olds dressed up by their mothers
for family pictures. (The Eton suit (http://instylekids.yourstoreimages2.com/googleimages/blue-boys-eton-suit-with-bowtie.jpg) was a Chase family favorite back in the early-'80s.)</p>


I understand the concept if you're hosting SportsCenter under intense
television lights for three straight hours. Would it really have been
so hard for Vick to throw on a pair of pants for his 10-minute press
conference though? Or was he using theold conductor's trick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doll_%28Seinfeld%29) of not wearing pants before a performance so the crease will keep?</p>

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 03:49 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.

bigblue4417
09-13-2011, 03:54 PM
<div class="report">


Justin Tuck (neck) is now confident that he will play against the Rams Monday night.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
"I don't see how I will not play on Monday," Tuck
said. "But that's me. ... I feel as though I could've gave it a shot on
Sunday, but the doctor said there were some things that they were still
worried about as far as going out there and banging it up and missing
three or four games." It doesn't sound like he's been full clearance
just yet, but he's headed in the right direction.
</div>

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 03:57 PM
I am always highly interested in other peoples thought processes.

I don't understand how the Casey Anthony case can sway someones thoughts on whether or not the Death Penalty should be allowed.

In my mind, that case and the validity of the Death Penalty are not related in anyway, in fact...there is NO case that I can think of, that would effect my opinion on whether it's an acceptable punishment in our society.

the question that surrounds the Death Penalty in my mind has nothing to do with ANY "Individual" case.

Lawl makes the best point, if the Casey Anthony case shows anything it shows how fine the line is between innocent and guilty can be...and the death penalty is a FINAL Punishment...it can't be overturned in light of new evidence.

I "Understand" the feelings you guys have I guess.....the thought of a mother killing her child and then partying it up afterwards for months ... seemingly showing no remorse is horrendous.

But I'm able to separate that "emotional" response to the question and think it through...sometimes it sucks because sometimes the emotional answer is better...but I can never seem to think that way.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 03:59 PM
i show respect for our boys before i worry about politics, dont go red or blue on this one old man


he makes a good point though, Dem's like to think they are the tolerant ones....but throughout history in almost every time there was a question of tolerance...it was the Dems who were on the wrong side....yet it's the republicans that get the bad rap.

you say don't bring it up now, but it will be brought up (not about this but about other things) every day for the next few months since it's an upcoming election year...and pretty much everything you hear about it will be how the Dems are tolerant and the Repubs are Racist ...when in reality...if you look at the history of both parties...it's EXACTLY the opposite.


[:)]youre right for the most part. i hate stereo typing in politics though, matts point of view on the subject is a great example of this. but dems need to get away from liberals(ill stereo type them all day lol), they are gutting a once respectable party and brainwashing a nation unfortunately.


I mean i agree with some liberal stuff but i also believe in the death penalty
</p>


Funny becauseI oppose the death penalty.</p>come visit ny for a day.

no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.
if she were found guilty..........

her case shows how fine the line is sometimes between being not guilty and being guilty. You want to kill people who very well may not have done something?
of course not but if theres significant evidence, absolutely

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 03:59 PM
<div class="report">


Justin Tuck (neck) is now confident that he will play against the Rams Monday night.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
"I don't see how I will not play on Monday," Tuck
said. "But that's me. ... I feel as though I could've gave it a shot on
Sunday, but the doctor said there were some things that they were still
worried about as far as going out there and banging it up and missing
three or four games." It doesn't sound like he's been full clearance
just yet, but he's headed in the right direction.
</div>I am stoked to see JT play Monday.

JPizzack
09-13-2011, 04:00 PM
got kicked off my desk for hours....havent done anything since 11 really....now im just being a "teller" and by that I mean surfing the internet, and doing the ocassional transaction when I feel like it since I'm on the line.

This place is terrible lol

bigblue4417
09-13-2011, 04:01 PM
“It’s gotten to the point now where, when I watch football . . . I
just mute the television,” Manning said Monday via Bob Glauber of Newsday.
“It’s just more enjoyable for me, just because I like to watch and make
my own opinions. It makes me more mad when the guy’s saying something
and he’s totally wrong.”</p>


The strategy comes in handy during tough times for the Giants. After a
torrent of injuries this preseason and an opening week loss to
Washington, the negativity in New York has picked up.</p>


“You can’t sit there and watch every television show and read every paper. That’s not going to help the cause,” Manning said.</p>


Eli does agree with one media observation. The Giants need to figure
out what they do well. The team’s re-formed offensive line showed
promise at times, but the running game never got off the ground.
Manning didn’t seem to know where to throw on third downs.</p>


“You have to figure out exactly what’s going to be our style and how we’re going to be successful,” he said. <font color="#0000FF">That is a scary line...</font>
</p>

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/e-manning.jpg?w=250
</p>

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 04:02 PM
I am always highly interested in other peoples thought processes.

I don't understand how the Casey Anthony case can sway someones thoughts on whether or not the Death Penalty should be allowed.

In my mind, that case and the validity of the Death Penalty are not related in anyway, in fact...there is NO case that I can think of, that would effect my opinion on whether it's an acceptable punishment in our society.

the question that surrounds the Death Penalty in my mind has nothing to do with ANY "Individual" case.

Lawl makes the best point, if the Casey Anthony case shows anything it shows how fine the line is between innocent and guilty can be...and the death penalty is a FINAL Punishment...it can't be overturned in light of new evidence.

I "Understand" the feelings you guys have I guess.....the thought of a mother killing her child and then partying it up afterwards for months ... seemingly showing no remorse is horrendous.

But I'm able to separate that "emotional" response to the question and think it through...sometimes it sucks because sometimes the emotional answer is better...but I can never seem to think that way.
Besides having a brain, you have testosterone in your veins. Progesterone tends to harbor an emotional response that overtakes logic.--Of course this is not true in all cases.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:05 PM
No political or religious talk on the forum,

Thanks boys.

Have a nice day and enjoy your <u>vacation!</u>
vacation? i wish


i know man, being the owners son must be hard work

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1654/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1654-34769.jpg
you obviously dont know my dad.

nah hes not that bad just looong weeks. i work 6 days sucka.


just ****in with ya

lawl
09-13-2011, 04:06 PM
no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.
if she were found guilty..........

her case shows how fine the line is sometimes between being not guilty and being guilty. You want to kill people who very well may not have done something?
of course not but if theres significant evidence, absolutely

you're either guilty or you're not. There's no "extra guilty" or "definitely guilty"



What you're trying to describe has too much grey area and there is no way to possibly quantify it. Therefore every single person(judge) who decides upon it will have differing views. It isn't a clear process.

And an extra note. YOU JUST SAID PEOPLE LIKE CASEY ANTHONY SHOULD DIE if found guilty . Do you not see the irony in the last two statements youve made??? If Casey Anthony were ffound guilty you would want her killed, but she was in fact found not guilty since there was not enough evidence, yet you then say "of course, but if theres significant evidence"

This is just mind numbing.

I didnt communicate my thought process well on that last paragraph, but hopefully you see the humor in dezz's thought process, Daven.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:06 PM
On a more serious note, it looks like the Giants just signed Keith Bullock....again.

sigh...WHY...he's not the answer..

I'm almost for letting Greg Jones have a chance...this season man...it doesn't look like it's going anywhere...might as well let him get some experience.
</p>


I would imagine he could step right in. If you believe reports we brought in both Kavika and Blackburn last week. Kavika does know Fewell's sysytem but they must have liked Bullock more.</p>




no offense pappy - i think ur reading a rumor mill


</p>


Roanoke reported it. Showed a link and now the Mod's took down the thread.</p>gOD DAM mod's ---I still do not have avatar ability----

because the mods took offense to something that I think was very easy on the eyes.


yes u do. I gave u access and just double checked
That's what you said last time, and it didn't work. Thank you ---I will try again. I think they superceded the MMB security clearance.


na man it says u are enabled

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:07 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.




really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.

lawl
09-13-2011, 04:08 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.




really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.

eye for an eye is not a logical stance.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 04:09 PM
no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.
if she were found guilty..........

her case shows how fine the line is sometimes between being not guilty and being guilty. You want to kill people who very well may not have done something?
of course not but if theres significant evidence, absolutely

you're either guilty or you're not. There's no "extra guilty" or "definitely guilty"



What you're trying to describe has too much grey area and there is no way to possibly quantify it. Therefore every single person(judge) who decides upon it will have differing views. It isn't a clear process.

And an extra note. YOU JUST SAID PEOPLE LIKE CASEY ANTHONY SHOULD DIE if found guilty . Do you not see the irony in the last two statements youve made??? If Casey Anthony were ffound guilty you would want her killed, <u>but she was in fact found not guilty since there was not enough evidence,</u> yet you then say "of course, but if theres significant evidence"

This is just mind numbing.

I didnt communicate my thought process well on that last paragraph, but hopefully you see the humor in dezz's thought process, Daven.
lets cut the bs, she wasnt found guilty because the jury was incompetent.

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 04:10 PM
I am always highly interested in other peoples thought processes.

I don't understand how the Casey Anthony case can sway someones thoughts on whether or not the Death Penalty should be allowed.

In my mind, that case and the validity of the Death Penalty are not related in anyway, in fact...there is NO case that I can think of, that would effect my opinion on whether it's an acceptable punishment in our society.

the question that surrounds the Death Penalty in my mind has nothing to do with ANY "Individual" case.

Lawl makes the best point, if the Casey Anthony case shows anything it shows how fine the line is between innocent and guilty can be...and the death penalty is a FINAL Punishment...it can't be overturned in light of new evidence.

I "Understand" the feelings you guys have I guess.....the thought of a mother killing her child and then partying it up afterwards for months ... seemingly showing no remorse is horrendous.

But I'm able to separate that "emotional" response to the question and think it through...sometimes it sucks because sometimes the emotional answer is better...but I can never seem to think that way.
Besides having a brain, you have testosterone in your veins. Progesterone tends to harbor an emotional response that overtakes logic.--Of course this is not true in all cases.
I do agree with you on the death penalty. I see absolutely no relationship to the death penalty with any particular cases. The difference between guilty and innocent besides the truth is the law. A good attorney or not, what you can prove and what you cannot prove. Exact opposites have ocurred where innocent people are convicted because their attorney's failed to prove their innocence. This later scenario if the death penalty is involved is the most difficult.

lawl
09-13-2011, 04:13 PM
no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.
if she were found guilty..........

her case shows how fine the line is sometimes between being not guilty and being guilty. You want to kill people who very well may not have done something?
of course not but if theres significant evidence, absolutely

you're either guilty or you're not. There's no "extra guilty" or "definitely guilty"



What you're trying to describe has too much grey area and there is no way to possibly quantify it. Therefore every single person(judge) who decides upon it will have differing views. It isn't a clear process.

And an extra note. YOU JUST SAID PEOPLE LIKE CASEY ANTHONY SHOULD DIE if found guilty . Do you not see the irony in the last two statements youve made??? If Casey Anthony were ffound guilty you would want her killed, <u>but she was in fact found not guilty since there was not enough evidence,</u> yet you then say "of course, but if theres significant evidence"

This is just mind numbing.

I didnt communicate my thought process well on that last paragraph, but hopefully you see the humor in dezz's thought process, Daven.
lets cut the bs, she wasnt found guilty because the jury was incompetent.

she was found not guilty because the prosecution didnt have a shred of evidence that proved she killed caylee. Period.

Being a scumbag person doesn't mean you're a murderer.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 04:14 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.




really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.

eye for an eye is not a logical stance.
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:16 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 04:17 PM
no but really you dont think people like casey anthony shouldnt be exterminated?

you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.
if she were found guilty..........

her case shows how fine the line is sometimes between being not guilty and being guilty. You want to kill people who very well may not have done something?
of course not but if theres significant evidence, absolutely

you're either guilty or you're not. There's no "extra guilty" or "definitely guilty"



What you're trying to describe has too much grey area and there is no way to possibly quantify it. Therefore every single person(judge) who decides upon it will have differing views. It isn't a clear process.

And an extra note. YOU JUST SAID PEOPLE LIKE CASEY ANTHONY SHOULD DIE if found guilty . Do you not see the irony in the last two statements youve made??? If Casey Anthony were ffound guilty you would want her killed, <u>but she was in fact found not guilty since there was not enough evidence,</u> yet you then say "of course, but if theres significant evidence"

This is just mind numbing.

I didnt communicate my thought process well on that last paragraph, but hopefully you see the humor in dezz's thought process, Daven.
lets cut the bs, she wasnt found guilty because the jury was incompetent.
In spite of my personal opinion, she wasn't found guilty because the prosecuting attorney could not prove within a reasonable doubt that she had murdered her child.

I think she did it and/or her mother and father know details as well.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:18 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.




really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.

eye for an eye is not a logical stance.


i disagree

if somebody is found guilty of murdering their baby they should be killed

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 04:20 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including <u>Osama</u> if you want and it's still illogical)
Funny you brought him up....Navy Seal Team 6 decided to skip the trial and just take justice into their own hands. In this case, I give them credit for such a decision.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:20 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)


okay great. So we are on the same page. I think NY/NJ should impose the death penalty.

Why the **** should we as tax payer pay to keep people like that alive and living? ****in get rid of em. I'll pay the PSE&amp;G bill with pleasure.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 04:21 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.




really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.
</P>


For a guy who hates religion, now you are quoting the bible... Oh the irony! And of course out of context.</P>

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 04:22 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)


okay great. So we are on the same page. I think NY/NJ should impose the death penalty.

Why the **** should we as tax payer pay to keep people like that alive and living? ****in get rid of em. I'll pay the PSE&amp;G bill with pleasure.
I'm with ya- for NY. I'm sure NYSEG and pseg would off this *******s on off peak hours so it doesn't cost us as much.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:23 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including <u>Osama</u> if you want and it's still illogical)
Funny you brought him up....Navy Seal Team 6 decided to skip the trial and just take justice into their own hands. In this case, I give them credit for such a decision.


bbbut.. thats ILLOGICAL!

HOW IS THAT FAIR

lol sometimes these cats crack me up

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:25 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.




really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.
</p>


For a guy who hates religion, now you are quoting the bible... Oh the irony! And of course out of context.</p>

and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:26 PM
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part


LOL see there it is again, I don't understand this thought process...and I'm intrigued.

lol why not? because by definition it is illogical...

the result of something doesn't change what it is.

you are saying Eye for and Eye helps keep society in line (lets accept that as if it were true)

even if it's true, that doesn't make an Illogical stance suddenly Logical.

for example Robin Hood, He stole from the rich and gave to the power, lets assume he was "helping" society by doing so....does that mean he was no longer a thief?

OF COURSE NOT....He's still a Thief...just because you agree with his morals and what he's doing doesn't CHANGE what he's doing.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 04:26 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)


okay great. So we are on the same page. I think NY/NJ should impose the death penalty.

Why the **** should we as tax payer pay to keep people like that alive and living? ****in get rid of em. I'll pay the PSE&amp;G bill with pleasure.
iv never seen this side of you, its sexy.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 04:28 PM
you mean kill people that are found not guilty?

Interesting to say the least.


ROFL that was a good catch Lawl.

but really, IMHO MMB...you are just very emotional, you don't usually look at thing's logically...which is fine it's just why you don't see things sometimes that me and morehead do :P

on the subject of the death penalty I'm on the fence.

On one hand allowing it would certainly save a metric *** load of tax payers money, letting someone rot in jail for life is a huge burden on the tax payers.

On the other hand things like DNA Evidence that simply did not exist previously have7 proven without a shadow of a doubt that we have sentenced innocent people to terrible punishments....the chance that we would be putting innocents to death because of a mistake is terrible.


one thing that certainly has no bearing whatsoever on whether it should be allowed or not is things like the "Casey Anthony" case the severity or insanity...of a particular case has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with whether the death penalty is a valid form of punishment...overall in society.




really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.
</P>


For a guy who hates religion, now you are quoting the bible... Oh the irony! And of course out of context.</P>




and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life
</P>


I do.</P>

lawl
09-13-2011, 04:29 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including <u>Osama</u> if you want and it's still illogical)
Funny you brought him up....Navy Seal Team 6 decided to skip the trial and just take justice into their own hands. In this case, I give them credit for such a decision.


bbbut.. thats ILLOGICAL!

HOW IS THAT FAIR

lol sometimes these cats crack me up

Osama was also armed and holding him in a jail wasn't really a possibility...

Sounds pretty logical to me.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:29 PM
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part


LOL see there it is again, I don't understand this thought process...and I'm intrigued.

lol why not? because by definition it is illogical...

the result of something doesn't change what it is.

you are saying Eye for and Eye helps keep society in line (lets accept that as if it were true)

even if it's true, that doesn't make an Illogical stance suddenly Logical.

for example Robin Hood, He stole from the rich and gave to the power, lets assume he was "helping" society by doing so....does that mean he was no longer a thief?

OF COURSE NOT....He's still a Thief...just because you agree with his morals and what he's doing doesn't CHANGE what he's doing.


No but he should still be prosecuted as a theif lol. And lets not compare character describing an oppressed society

If u want to use a better example since we are on the topic of death, i dont think if somebody killed another person in self defense should be put to death.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 04:30 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)


okay great. So we are on the same page. I think NY/NJ should impose the death penalty.

Why the **** should we as tax payer pay to keep people like that alive and living? ****in get rid of em. I'll pay the PSE&amp;G bill with pleasure.
iv never seen this side of you, its sexy.
</P>


Actually the death penalty is much more expensive to the tax payers then a life sentence.</P>


http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42</P>

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 04:30 PM
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part


LOL see there it is again, I don't understand this thought process...and I'm intrigued.

lol why not? because by definition it is illogical...

the result of something doesn't change what it is.

you are saying Eye for and Eye helps keep society in line (lets accept that as if it were true)

even if it's true, that doesn't make an Illogical stance suddenly Logical.

for example Robin Hood, He stole from the rich and gave to the power, lets assume he was "helping" society by doing so....does that mean he was no longer a thief?

OF COURSE NOT....He's still a Thief...just because you agree with his morals and what he's doing doesn't CHANGE what he's doing.
whos to say whats logical and whats not?

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:31 PM
and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life


lol there you go again.

We are all, "pretty" good people here Matt...do you honestly think anyone in this thread disagree's with what you are saying?

Of Course not, the question is not so simple though, you are having an emotional response to ONE Court case in which you disagreed with the result...

so your solution is to make big sweeping changes to the entire system...and you do not consider the other side of the coin....the side that executes someone you think is Innocent but is convicted.

do I think Casey Anthony was guilty....outside of a court room...HELL YES, but inside a court room....No she wasn't Matt....and beyond that...the result of ONE court case has little to no bearing on how the entire capital punishment system.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:31 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including <u>Osama</u> if you want and it's still illogical)
Funny you brought him up....Navy Seal Team 6 decided to skip the trial and just take justice into their own hands. In this case, I give them credit for such a decision.


bbbut.. thats ILLOGICAL!

HOW IS THAT FAIR

lol sometimes these cats crack me up

Osama was also armed and holding him in a jail wasn't really a possibility...

Sounds pretty logical to me.


Say one of the sharp shooters were able to disarm him and we could of took him in, which is actually a very possible scenerio. That would go against your theory of it being logical

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 04:33 PM
and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life


lol there you go again.

We are all, "pretty" good people here Matt...do you honestly think anyone in this thread disagree's with what you are saying?

Of Course not, the question is not so simple though, you are having an emotional response to ONE Court case in which you disagreed with the result...

so your solution is to make big sweeping changes to the entire system...and you do not consider the other side of the coin....the side that executes someone you think is Innocent but is convicted.

do I think Casey Anthony was guilty....outside of a court room...HELL YES, but inside a court room....No she wasn't Matt....and beyond that...the result of ONE court case has little to no bearing on how the entire capital punishment system.


</P>


That actually was pretty insulting. But Alas.....</P>

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:34 PM
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part


LOL see there it is again, I don't understand this thought process...and I'm intrigued.

lol why not? because by definition it is illogical...

the result of something doesn't change what it is.

you are saying Eye for and Eye helps keep society in line (lets accept that as if it were true)

even if it's true, that doesn't make an Illogical stance suddenly Logical.

for example Robin Hood, He stole from the rich and gave to the power, lets assume he was "helping" society by doing so....does that mean he was no longer a thief?

OF COURSE NOT....He's still a Thief...just because you agree with his morals and what he's doing doesn't CHANGE what he's doing.
whos to say whats logical and whats not?



The definition of the word Logic (Logical) decides that, it's not up to you or me or anyone else.

lawl
09-13-2011, 04:34 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including <u>Osama</u> if you want and it's still illogical)
Funny you brought him up....Navy Seal Team 6 decided to skip the trial and just take justice into their own hands. In this case, I give them credit for such a decision.


bbbut.. thats ILLOGICAL!

HOW IS THAT FAIR

lol sometimes these cats crack me up

Osama was also armed and holding him in a jail wasn't really a possibility...

Sounds pretty logical to me.


Say one of the sharp shooters were able to disarm him and we could of took him in, which is actually a very possible scenerio. That would go against your theory of it being logical

So you're using theoretical situations to disprove what actually happened? Then calling what actually happened a theory of mine?

Oh.

Ok.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:36 PM
and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life


lol there you go again.

We are all, "pretty" good people here Matt...do you honestly think anyone in this thread disagree's with what you are saying?

Of Course not, the question is not so simple though, you are having an emotional response to ONE Court case in which you disagreed with the result...

so your solution is to make big sweeping changes to the entire system...and you do not consider the other side of the coin....the side that executes someone you think is Innocent but is convicted.

do I think Casey Anthony was guilty....outside of a court room...HELL YES, but inside a court room....No she wasn't Matt....and beyond that...the result of ONE court case has little to no bearing on how the entire capital punishment system.




did i ask anybody to?

I was accused of being a bleeding heart and i responded with i am for the death penalty.

Mammy pointed out that I used a line from the bible and said it was ironic because I hate religion. I brought up another line do believe, whether it was in the bible or not.

At what point did I try and say thats how u all should live or believe or act?

Again the Casey Anthony trial was just the most specific pop example. I believe ANY parent that kills their toddler should be put to death. I forget the names of the other caes and for all the cases I don't even know about i believe that.

I dont think its a big sweeping change. Death penalty is alive and well in many states. How would it be a huge sweeping change? You act like ti doesn't exist in our country already.

Again ur mixing what dezz is saying to u with what i am saying to u. That or u need to start reading better and stop trolling

lawl
09-13-2011, 04:38 PM
Anyway, I'm off to work.

I'll leave you sweethearts with this--
<h2>Eye for an eye is unjust and illogical as it is known to lead to cyclical revenge.</h2>

A
quote from one of my favorite songs says it best, "An eye for an eye
makes the whole world blind." It was realized by many cultures
thousands of years ago(hammurabi) the cycle of revenge continues until revenge
is no longer considered a suitable repercussion. This is why justice
systems are removed to a degree from the "victim". Additionally, if
someone commits a crime, doing the same unto them is logically a crime
as well.</p>

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:39 PM
No but he should still be prosecuted as a theif lol. And lets not compare character describing an oppressed society

If u want to use a better example since we are on the topic of death, i dont think if somebody killed another person in self defense should be put to death.


Robin Hood is a stretch...but it is a parallel, someone killing someone in self defense is irrelevant to this discussion.

if you agree that someone who stole (even if it was for good) should still be prosecuted as a "thief"

then how can you also say that when Casey Anthony murders her child she deserves a Death Sentence but when say....Dr. Kevorkian puts someones grandmother to sleep (because she begged him) he shouldn't.

they both KILLED someone...either they both get it or neither gets it....

just as Robin Hood is still a Thief...it doesn't matter who or how the crime was perpetrated what matters is that it was perpetrated.

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 04:40 PM
and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life


lol there you go again.

We are all, "pretty" good people here Matt...do you honestly think anyone in this thread disagree's with what you are saying?

Of Course not, the question is not so simple though, you are having an emotional response to ONE Court case in which you disagreed with the result...

so your solution is to make big sweeping changes to the entire system...and you do not consider the other side of the coin....the side that executes someone you think is Innocent but is convicted.

do I think Casey Anthony was guilty....outside of a court room...HELL YES, but inside a court room....No she wasn't Matt....and beyond that...the result of ONE court case has little to no bearing on how the entire capital punishment system.




did i ask anybody to?

I was accused of being a bleeding heart and i responded with i am for the death penalty.

Mammy pointed out that I used a line from the bible and said it was ironic because I hate religion. I brought up another line do believe, whether it was in the bible or not.

At what point did I try and say thats how u all should live or believe or act?

Again the Casey Anthony trial was just the most specific pop example. I believe ANY parent that kills their toddler should be put to death. I forget the names of the other caes and for all the cases I don't even know about i believe that.

I dont think its a big sweeping change. Death penalty is alive and well in many states. How would it be a huge sweeping change? You act like ti doesn't exist in our country already.

Again ur mixing what dezz is saying to u with what i am saying to u. That or u need to start reading better and stop trolling
</P>


I'm making fun of you. Big difference. Feel free to do the same.</P>


Thats two personal insults in two days. The first 4 years: none.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:41 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including <u>Osama</u> if you want and it's still illogical)
Funny you brought him up....Navy Seal Team 6 decided to skip the trial and just take justice into their own hands. In this case, I give them credit for such a decision.


bbbut.. thats ILLOGICAL!

HOW IS THAT FAIR

lol sometimes these cats crack me up

Osama was also armed and holding him in a jail wasn't really a possibility...

Sounds pretty logical to me.


Say one of the sharp shooters were able to disarm him and we could of took him in, which is actually a very possible scenerio. That would go against your theory of it being logical

So you're using theoretical situations to disprove what actually happened? Then calling what actually happened a theory of mine?

Oh.

Ok.


ohhh okay my bad. I thought u knew what the rest of us knew. I didn't know you had special knowledge of how everything went down there. Had I known that I wouldn't of said anything

"Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a senior U.S. security official
told Reuters that Navy SEALs dropped by helicopter to the compound were
under orders to not capture bin Laden."

this was a kill operation

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 04:41 PM
Anyway, I'm off to work.

I'll leave you sweethearts with this--

<H2>Eye for an eye is unjust and illogical as it is known to lead to cyclical revenge.</H2>


A quote from one of my favorite songs says it best, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." It was realized by many cultures thousands of years ago(hammurabi) the cycle of revenge continues until revenge is no longer considered a suitable repercussion. This is why justice systems are removed to a degree from the "victim". Additionally, if someone commits a crime, doing the same unto them is logically a crime as well.</P>



</P>


The original use of that expression in the Hebrew Bilble was to describe the limits of retribution.</P>


<U>Only</U> an eye for an eye.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:44 PM
No but he should still be prosecuted as a theif lol. And lets not compare character describing an oppressed society

If u want to use a better example since we are on the topic of death, i dont think if somebody killed another person in self defense should be put to death.


Robin Hood is a stretch...but it is a parallel, someone killing someone in self defense is irrelevant to this discussion.

if you agree that someone who stole (even if it was for good) should still be prosecuted as a "thief"

then how can you also say that when Casey Anthony murders her child she deserves a Death Sentence but when say....Dr. Kevorkian puts someones grandmother to sleep (because she begged him) he shouldn't.

they both KILLED someone...either they both get it or neither gets it....

just as Robin Hood is still a Thief...it doesn't matter who or how the crime was perpetrated what matters is that it was perpetrated.


i tend to think the difference in ways of life is a huge difference. Living under a dictator where u have to fight ur government (in a diff way than we do now) is completely different than living in a civilized society. OR as civilized as a society could get.

IF u can't see the difference between Dr K vs Casey Anthony then I don't know what to tell you. And I know u do see the dramatic difference so i won't pretend u dont, so u already know the answer.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:45 PM
and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life


lol there you go again.

We are all, "pretty" good people here Matt...do you honestly think anyone in this thread disagree's with what you are saying?

Of Course not, the question is not so simple though, you are having an emotional response to ONE Court case in which you disagreed with the result...

so your solution is to make big sweeping changes to the entire system...and you do not consider the other side of the coin....the side that executes someone you think is Innocent but is convicted.

do I think Casey Anthony was guilty....outside of a court room...HELL YES, but inside a court room....No she wasn't Matt....and beyond that...the result of ONE court case has little to no bearing on how the entire capital punishment system.




did i ask anybody to?

I was accused of being a bleeding heart and i responded with i am for the death penalty.

Mammy pointed out that I used a line from the bible and said it was ironic because I hate religion. I brought up another line do believe, whether it was in the bible or not.

At what point did I try and say thats how u all should live or believe or act?

Again the Casey Anthony trial was just the most specific pop example. I believe ANY parent that kills their toddler should be put to death. I forget the names of the other caes and for all the cases I don't even know about i believe that.

I dont think its a big sweeping change. Death penalty is alive and well in many states. How would it be a huge sweeping change? You act like ti doesn't exist in our country already.

Again ur mixing what dezz is saying to u with what i am saying to u. That or u need to start reading better and stop trolling
</p>


I'm making fun of you. Big difference. Feel free to do the same.</p>


Thats two personal insults in two days. The first 4 years: none.</p>

how did i insult u there?

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:46 PM
The original use of that expression in the Hebrew Bilble was to describe the limits of retribution.</p>


<u>Only</u> an eye for an eye.</p>

The Hebrew Bible? :P

but good pull Morehead...I didn't even know that was the original use...I knew it was in there...but not that it was the first existing record.

bigblue4417
09-13-2011, 04:47 PM
“This may draw a little criticism, but I thought Tony played one of the best games I’ve ever seen him play (http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/6965896/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-says-tony-romo-outstanding-vs-new-york-jets),”
Jones told KRLD-FM, via Tim McMahon of ESPNDallas.com. “You can make a
big case that the way he played for three quarters was how we got there
at the end and looked like for sure we were going to get the win. But
he played outstanding.”


LOL

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:48 PM
And Matt you ARE a bleeding liberal...don't get so defensive about it, embrace it....

you would call me a right wing conservative correct? I'm still in favor of Abortion.

that doesn't automatically make me a liberal or centrist now does it, neither does your illogical belief in the Death Penalty :P

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:49 PM
“This may draw a little criticism, but I thought Tony played one of the best games I’ve ever seen him play (http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/6965896/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-says-tony-romo-outstanding-vs-new-york-jets),”
Jones told KRLD-FM, via Tim McMahon of ESPNDallas.com. “You can make a
big case that the way he played for three quarters was how we got there
at the end and looked like for sure we were going to get the win. But
he played outstanding.”


LOL


i actually agree. He had a meltdown at the end, but if it wasn't for his play they wouldn't of even been in the game

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:50 PM
And Matt you ARE a bleeding liberal...don't get so defensive about it, embrace it....

you would call me a right wing conservative correct? I'm still in favor of Abortion.

that doesn't automatically make me a liberal or centrist now does it, neither does your illogical belief in the Death Penalty :P


i'd say the bleeding heart goes out the window when ur for death

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 04:56 PM
and no daven I just call u a Republican.

You just deny ur affiliation

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 04:58 PM
i tend to think the difference in ways of life is a huge difference. Living under a dictator where u have to fight ur government (in a diff way than we do now) is completely different than living in a civilized society. OR as civilized as a society could get.

IF u can't see the difference between Dr K vs Casey Anthony then I don't know what to tell you. And I know u do see the dramatic difference so i won't pretend u dont, so u already know the answer.

you are going in a completely unrelated (yet also intriguing) direction with this.

the time period/government has absolutely nothing to do with the analogy here Matt.

Robin Hood stole for the greater good yet he is still a thief, and if convicted...even in your own view he should still serve the same sentence as any other common thief.

Then why should one murder face one set of punishment....but another face a different.

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 05:00 PM
and no daven I just call u a Republican.

You just deny ur affiliation


I do not at all, I was previously a Republican, I'm more a Libertarian right now though (look it up it fits me better I think you'd agree)

you are the only one here who denies their affiliation.

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 05:03 PM
i'd say the bleeding heart goes out the window when ur for death


I wouldn't say that.

your heart bleeds on many many social issues, just because there is one it does not bleed on doesn't make it stop bleeding on the rest.

you form opinions and make decisions based upon your feelings quite often, sometimes that's a good thing but generally, I will disagree with opinions and decisions that are arrived at in that way, because that is just not who I am, I think everything through logically....even if it's the wrong thing to do....ust as you can't help the way you are neither can I help the way I am.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 05:05 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)


okay great. So we are on the same page. I think NY/NJ should impose the death penalty.

Why the **** should we as tax payer pay to keep people like that alive and living? ****in get rid of em. I'll pay the PSE&amp;G bill with pleasure.
iv never seen this side of you, its sexy.
</p>


Actually the death penalty is much more expensive to the tax payers then a life sentence.</p>


http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42</p>bring em to me, ill do it for cheap.

thats why we should bring back the firing squad. oh no but thats not humane.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 05:05 PM
i tend to think the difference in ways of life is a huge difference. Living under a dictator where u have to fight ur government (in a diff way than we do now) is completely different than living in a civilized society. OR as civilized as a society could get.

IF u can't see the difference between Dr K vs Casey Anthony then I don't know what to tell you. And I know u do see the dramatic difference so i won't pretend u dont, so u already know the answer.

you are going in a completely unrelated (yet also intriguing) direction with this.

the time period/government has absolutely nothing to do with the analogy here Matt.

Robin Hood stole for the greater good yet he is still a thief, and if convicted...even in your own view he should still serve the same sentence as any other common thief.

Then why should one murder face one set of punishment....but another face a different.





just for the record, stealing from the king did equate death in the Robin Hood tales..

nothing has to do with the analogy, that was my point lol

Because one is really an assisted suicide oppose to murder.

You act like there isn't different degrees of murder or that the death penalty doesn't exist.

HAD Casey Anthony been convicted, in your honest non-trolling opinion - what degree would she been convicted of?

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 05:07 PM
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part


LOL see there it is again, I don't understand this thought process...and I'm intrigued.

lol why not? because by definition it is illogical...

the result of something doesn't change what it is.

you are saying Eye for and Eye helps keep society in line (lets accept that as if it were true)

even if it's true, that doesn't make an Illogical stance suddenly Logical.

for example Robin Hood, He stole from the rich and gave to the power, lets assume he was "helping" society by doing so....does that mean he was no longer a thief?

OF COURSE NOT....He's still a Thief...just because you agree with his morals and what he's doing doesn't CHANGE what he's doing.
whos to say whats logical and whats not?



The definition of the word Logic (Logical) decides that, it's not up to you or me or anyone else.
exactly so saying something is logical or not is just another opinion.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 05:09 PM
i'd say the bleeding heart goes out the window when ur for death


I wouldn't say that.

your heart bleeds on many many social issues, just because there is one it does not bleed on doesn't make it stop bleeding on the rest.

you form opinions and make decisions based upon your feelings quite often, sometimes that's a good thing but generally, I will disagree with opinions and decisions that are arrived at in that way, because that is just not who I am, I think everything through logically....even if it's the wrong thing to do....ust as you can't help the way you are neither can I help the way I am.


again u accuse me of being illogical and emotional for saying Casey Anthony should be put to death. You then come back with that all murders should be classified the same way. Whose illogical? We don't do that now, so why would we start if we would implement the death penalty

refusing to see the difference betwene Dr K and CA isn't logical, you just try to pretend it is

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 05:11 PM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)


okay great. So we are on the same page. I think NY/NJ should impose the death penalty.

Why the **** should we as tax payer pay to keep people like that alive and living? ****in get rid of em. I'll pay the PSE&amp;G bill with pleasure.
iv never seen this side of you, its sexy.
</p>


Actually the death penalty is much more expensive to the tax payers then a life sentence.</p>


http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42</p>bring em to me, ill do it for cheap.

thats why we should bring back the firing squad. oh no but thats not humane.


u mean we may use our courts for things other than steroid cases? Was that suppose to sway me?

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 05:23 PM
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part


LOL see there it is again, I don't understand this thought process...and I'm intrigued.

lol why not? because by definition it is illogical...

the result of something doesn't change what it is.

you are saying Eye for and Eye helps keep society in line (lets accept that as if it were true)

even if it's true, that doesn't make an Illogical stance suddenly Logical.

for example Robin Hood, He stole from the rich and gave to the power, lets assume he was "helping" society by doing so....does that mean he was no longer a thief?

OF COURSE NOT....He's still a Thief...just because you agree with his morals and what he's doing doesn't CHANGE what he's doing.
well i believe that it has. over time most societies used eye for an eye. and it is telling everyone in society, if youre looking to wrong someone in any way, there will be repercussions. if there werent consequences there would be complete acarchy

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 05:33 PM
exactly so saying something is logical or not is just another opinion.

Sure just like Gravity is an opinion.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 05:38 PM
exactly so saying something is logical or not is just another opinion.

Sure just like Gravity is an opinion.
youre not getting me. anyone can say anythings logical. it doesnt make it so.

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 05:41 PM
just for the record, stealing from the king did equate death in the Robin Hood tales..

The severity of the punishment is irrelevant, a Thief is a Thief and they get what a thief gets, a murderer is a murderer and they get what a murderer gets.





Because one is really an assisted suicide oppose to murder.

You act like there isn't different degrees of murder or that the death penalty doesn't exist.

You ACT like they DO exist Matt...they don't ...or at least not in the way you seem to think they do....



HAD Casey Anthony been convicted, in your honest non-trolling opinion - what degree would she been convicted of?


lol...HAD she been convicted? she wasn't convicted matt because they couldn't prove murder AT ALL...had she been convicted what degree would she be convicted of?

It's completely dependent on the evidence brought to court....but do you know what doesn't factor into it? the fact that it was her Daughter...yeah that has NO RELEVANCE, the fact that she partied afterwards....NO RELEVANCE.

the things that make most people think Casey Anthony deserved the death sentence (more then say Kervorkian) generally have absolutely nothing to do with how they determine who gets what punishment....that's what I'm trying to get across to you with the Robin Hood analogy Matt.

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 05:47 PM
exactly so saying something is logical or not is just another opinion.

Sure just like Gravity is an opinion.
youre not getting me. anyone can say anythings logical. it doesnt make it so.


you are not getting me, either something is logical or it isn't, someone saying it is or isn't doesn't matter.

You and Matt are thinking illogically on this topic, that's not me saying it, that's just a fact....like Gravity is a fact.

you want to call "logic" itself in to question? you want to ask if what is real is even real? get all philosophical up in this *****..I'm down...then maybe logic is in itself a fallacy.

but if we are in the real world.....yeah it's illogical to think Eye for an Eye is a suitable basis for punishment, simply put when dealing with Murder....extend it out to infinity.

I murder you, you are no longer there to kill me, so your brother kills me, but your brother killing me means my brother gets to kill him, when my brother kills him your sister gets to kill him...and so on and so forth....until the human race no longer exists.

not to mention that there are a million other problems with it, also the fact that you guys are being subjective....one murderer deserves the death penalty when the other doesn't....but who makes that decision...you?

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 05:50 PM
i have eli and rex grossman in ff, who should i go with. normally id never ask but rex is going against the cards.

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 05:51 PM
refusing to see the difference betwene Dr K and CA isn't logical, you just try to pretend it is

Asserting that there IS a difference is illogical.

socially, yes one is worse then the other, but when it comes to a court of law, 1st Degree Murder is 1st Degree Murder and the Penalty is the same whether it was your daughter and you partied afterwards or if it was your grandmother who was dying of cancer an begged you to put her out of her misery.

if convicted of 1st Degree Murder you face the same penalty....such as...the death penalty.

you want to pick and choose who gets it and who doesn't depending on outside factors....that's not a good idea.

as it was said before... there is no such thing as "Extra" Guilty....it can't be qualified, you want people who are "extra" guilty to get the death penalty....but those who aren't to not get it....but since "extra" Guilty isn't...A Thing...It can not be done.

dezzzR
09-13-2011, 05:56 PM
refusing to see the difference betwene Dr K and CA isn't logical, you just try to pretend it is

<u>Asserting that there IS a difference is illogical.
</u>
socially, yes one is worse then the other, but when it comes to a court of law, 1st Degree Murder is 1st Degree Murder and the Penalty is the same whether it was your daughter and you partied afterwards or if it was your grandmother who was dying of cancer an begged you to put her out of her misery.

if convicted of 1st Degree Murder you face the same penalty....such as...the death penalty.

you want to pick and choose who gets it and who doesn't depending on outside factors....that's not a good idea.

as it was said before... there is no such thing as "Extra" Guilty....it can't be qualified, you want people who are "extra" guilty to get the death penalty....but those who aren't to not get it....but since "extra" Guilty isn't...A Thing...It can not be done.
this is exactly what i was saying. whos to say what logical or not. your both fighting over it.

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 05:59 PM
This is for Matt btw.

<font color="#0000FF">First-degree
murder is the most serious form of murder. In most states, it is
categorized as "deliberate" - that is, the defendant made a
clear-headed decision to kill the victim; "premeditated" - the defendant
actually thought about the killing before it occurred (the period for
this can be very brief); and "with malice"- doing a harmful act without
just cause or legal excuse. So if someone decides to kill a business
rival who is attempting a corporate takeover, gets a gun, waits for the
victim in a deserted parking garage, and shoots him, that killing would
have all the elements of first-degree murder. If, on the other hand,
the competitors get in a fight when the rival announces his intentions
to take over the other man's business, and the second man picks up
something and hits the rival with it, causing his death, that is not
likely to be first-degree murder. The killer did not plan or make a
decision to kill in advance.
</font>

Dr.K and CA are the same (except for that CA is Innocent)

I'm assuming in your opinion Matt you think CA committed First Degree Murder....you I'm assuming think that she made a clear headed decision to kill her daughter corrected?

well what is Dr. K doing? he's making clear headed decisions to kill the victim.

you might think that Dr. K is doing it for a good reason, you might think that Dr. K has "just cause" but unless you can PROVE that in court there is no difference between Dr.K and CA legally.....(you know...except for the fact that CA is innocent) and thus both would face the same (or similar) penalties (depending on the state)

DavenIII
09-13-2011, 06:06 PM
this is exactly what i was saying. whos to say what logical or not. your both fighting over it.

<div class="dndata"><span id="hotword"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword"><font color="#0000FF">Logic</font>
-3) the</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">system</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">or</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">principles</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">of</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">reasoning</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">applicable</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">to</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">any</span> <span id="hotword" name="hotword">branch</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">of</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">knowledge</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">or</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword">study.</span> </span></div>

Currently we are talking about the legal system correct (or more specifically capital punishment but i digress)

The FACT is Dez that I'm "right" and he's "wrong" with what we are talking about...assuming she was convicted (which she wasn't) and assuming it was of first degree murder, she would be punished in a way that would be in line with all other people that had been convicted of first degree murder.

that's just how it is, Matt seems to think that because HE thinks what she did was worse then what some other murder did she should get a "harsher" penalty....

that's not how it works.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 06:09 PM
just for the record, stealing from the king did equate death in the Robin Hood tales..

The severity of the punishment is irrelevant, a Thief is a Thief and they get what a thief gets, a murderer is a murderer and they get what a murderer gets.





Because one is really an assisted suicide oppose to murder.

You act like there isn't different degrees of murder or that the death penalty doesn't exist.

You ACT like they DO exist Matt...they don't ...or at least not in the way you seem to think they do....



HAD Casey Anthony been convicted, in your honest non-trolling opinion - what degree would she been convicted of?


lol...HAD she been convicted? she wasn't convicted matt because they couldn't prove murder AT ALL...had she been convicted what degree would she be convicted of?

It's completely dependent on the evidence brought to court....but do you know what doesn't factor into it? the fact that it was her Daughter...yeah that has NO RELEVANCE, the fact that she partied afterwards....NO RELEVANCE.

the things that make most people think Casey Anthony deserved the death sentence (more then say Kervorkian) generally have absolutely nothing to do with how they determine who gets what punishment....that's what I'm trying to get across to you with the Robin Hood analogy Matt.


a murderer gets what a murdere gets. I agree.

Thats why murder in the 2nd degree and in the 1st degree have seperate punishments.

REAlly? No difference? Thats why Dr. K was 2nd degree and got a sentence of 10-25 years and only served 8.

Casey Anthony was being charged with murder in the first degree. I knew u'd try to side step that as a fact. Had she gotten convicted she would o fbeen away for life.

Now for Dr. K 25 years could of been his life, but obviously in CA's case that wouldn't of been.

Actually the sentence completely depends on what they are charged wtih. ITs funny u don't think theres a difference between first and second degree murder and try to say im not being logical. It makes all the difference in the world.

byron
09-13-2011, 06:10 PM
honestly i think there was a good shot they were gone this past season if not for the lockout

If they under acheive again this year - they better be gone. I would of got rid of them after 09
I've wanted him gone for so long now its not even funny...At this point I feel like the end is near...in the mean time I'll root for this teamlike I've done forever...</P>


KG and TC both should be donezo if we stink it up this season. Anything less than a playoff win will be a failed season according to Management</P>


yea honestly, with the amount of talent on this team, winning the division should be the every year expectation, and isn't even that lofty of an expectation in my eyes. it should be what happens.
So I agree with that....
You know they are going to use the injury excuse. Owners just need to stop being hesistant and pull the plug if this ship sinks. It happens to good coaches all the time....Coughlin's time is just over, it doesn't take away what he was able to do here in the past. Still find it hard to believe he's still here really, same goes for gilbride.</P>


vote for Fisher in 2012

i think cowher is the writing on the wall

but i really don't want to run a 3-4

but i do want my corners playing press
Could be time for the Cowher avatar again?
</P>


Pretty horrible to talk about replacements at HC after one game.</P>


But what the hell.</P>


Fisher</P>


Gruden</P>


Cowher</P>




i dont think I want Gruden

to be honest, for a QB coach he did a horrible job in TB and got lucky with Gannon in Oakland
</P>


Ironic. He's the one guy who would definately keep Eli. Not sure about the other two.</P>


I think my first choice would be Fisher.</P>


Quite honestly, the stubborness of TC is so horrible, it is crippling this team. His rediculous loyalty to his staff. He essentially had to be threatened to fire both Tim Lewis and Sheridan. His loyalty to KG is killing this offense. There is no imagination. No originality and no creativity on this entire team.</P>


Its a team that is stuck in the mud. Stuck in the past. We are standing still while the rest of the NFL is passing us by. It will be our undoing.</P>


But lets stick to "the plan".</P>good stuff mh...there is a big list of things I don't like about TC that are all off shoots of his stubbornness...he likes a certain player type humble, quite,types, guys he can control and perhaps passive....nothing wrong with a few of these types ...But you need some fire alsoAnd I'm not talking divas guys that get fired up when things are going good pissed off when things are going bad...speak their minds... leaders...he's a control freak who likes to keep every thing everybody under his thumb.....at least thats the way he comes across to me..I'm going to stop you made a great post thats pretty much states how I feel..I just hope its not another wasted year...Go Giants!!!

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 06:13 PM
exactly so saying something is logical or not is just another opinion.

Sure just like Gravity is an opinion.
youre not getting me. anyone can say anythings logical. it doesnt make it so.


you are not getting me, either something is logical or it isn't, someone saying it is or isn't doesn't matter.

You and Matt are thinking illogically on this topic, that's not me saying it, that's just a fact....like Gravity is a fact.

you want to call "logic" itself in to question? you want to ask if what is real is even real? get all philosophical up in this *****..I'm down...then maybe logic is in itself a fallacy.

but if we are in the real world.....yeah it's illogical to think Eye for an Eye is a suitable basis for punishment, simply put when dealing with Murder....extend it out to infinity.

I murder you, you are no longer there to kill me, so your brother kills me, but your brother killing me means my brother gets to kill him, when my brother kills him your sister gets to kill him...and so on and so forth....until the human race no longer exists.

not to mention that there are a million other problems with it, also the fact that you guys are being subjective....one murderer deserves the death penalty when the other doesn't....but who makes that decision...you?


lol thats YOUR opinion, but the truth is you've called the Death Penalty illogical. Well thats your opinion. We have it and use it.

LoL it is just u saying it. Your OPINION is not a fact like gravity, no matter how much u think it to be true.

If u murder me and you get the death sentence, there is no chain. You can't MURDER the governement in the sense ur speaking of.

AGain thats why people who get charged in the first and second degree get different sentences

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 06:13 PM
i have eli and rex grossman in ff, who should i go with. normally id never ask but rex is going against the cards.


i hear ya... im trying to pick up Grossman for my one league. I may be making a trade and getting rid of Flacco if I can becaus eI got Ryan vs Phi and Newton vs GB

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 06:15 PM
refusing to see the difference betwene Dr K and CA isn't logical, you just try to pretend it is

Asserting that there IS a difference is illogical.

socially, yes one is worse then the other, but when it comes to a court of law, 1st Degree Murder is 1st Degree Murder and the Penalty is the same whether it was your daughter and you partied afterwards or if it was your grandmother who was dying of cancer an begged you to put her out of her misery.

if convicted of 1st Degree Murder you face the same penalty....such as...the death penalty.

you want to pick and choose who gets it and who doesn't depending on outside factors....that's not a good idea.

as it was said before... there is no such thing as "Extra" Guilty....it can't be qualified, you want people who are "extra" guilty to get the death penalty....but those who aren't to not get it....but since "extra" Guilty isn't...A Thing...It can not be done.


our system sees a difference. Hence why she was tried on murder in the first and he was convicted of murder in the second and is a free man

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 06:16 PM
refusing to see the difference betwene Dr K and CA isn't logical, you just try to pretend it is

<u>Asserting that there IS a difference is illogical.
</u>
socially, yes one is worse then the other, but when it comes to a court of law, 1st Degree Murder is 1st Degree Murder and the Penalty is the same whether it was your daughter and you partied afterwards or if it was your grandmother who was dying of cancer an begged you to put her out of her misery.

if convicted of 1st Degree Murder you face the same penalty....such as...the death penalty.

you want to pick and choose who gets it and who doesn't depending on outside factors....that's not a good idea.

as it was said before... there is no such thing as "Extra" Guilty....it can't be qualified, you want people who are "extra" guilty to get the death penalty....but those who aren't to not get it....but since "extra" Guilty isn't...A Thing...It can not be done.
this is exactly what i was saying. whos to say what logical or not. your both fighting over it.


legally there is a factual difference... its sad Daven would even try and argue that.

Its cute that hes bored today though

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 06:17 PM
This is for Matt btw.

<font color="#0000ff">First-degree
murder is the most serious form of murder. In most states, it is
categorized as "deliberate" - that is, the defendant made a
clear-headed decision to kill the victim; "premeditated" - the defendant
actually thought about the killing before it occurred (the period for
this can be very brief); and "with malice"- doing a harmful act without
just cause or legal excuse. So if someone decides to kill a business
rival who is attempting a corporate takeover, gets a gun, waits for the
victim in a deserted parking garage, and shoots him, that killing would
have all the elements of first-degree murder. If, on the other hand,
the competitors get in a fight when the rival announces his intentions
to take over the other man's business, and the second man picks up
something and hits the rival with it, causing his death, that is not
likely to be first-degree murder. The killer did not plan or make a
decision to kill in advance.
</font>

Dr.K and CA are the same (except for that CA is Innocent)

I'm assuming in your opinion Matt you think CA committed First Degree Murder....you I'm assuming think that she made a clear headed decision to kill her daughter corrected?

well what is Dr. K doing? he's making clear headed decisions to kill the victim.

you might think that Dr. K is doing it for a good reason, you might think that Dr. K has "just cause" but unless you can PROVE that in court there is no difference between Dr.K and CA legally.....(you know...except for the fact that CA is innocent) and thus both would face the same (or similar) penalties (depending on the state)


u keep trying to say all this **** but none of it matters. Had CA been convicted it would of been in the first and she would of did life. Florida has the DP right? So she prob would of been put to death actually

Dr. K was in the 2nd degree and is a free man as we type this

tell me how that would be the same again?

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2011, 06:19 PM
this is exactly what i was saying. whos to say what logical or not. your both fighting over it.

<div class="dndata"><span id="hotword"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); cursor: default;" id="hotword" name="hotword"><font color="#0000ff">Logic</font>
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Currently we are talking about the legal system correct (or more specifically capital punishment but i digress)

The FACT is Dez that I'm "right" and he's "wrong" with what we are talking about...assuming she was convicted (which she wasn't) and ***<font size="6">uming it was of first degree murder, she would be punished in a way that would be in line with all other people that had been convicted of first degree murder.</font>

that's just how it is, Matt seems to think that because HE thinks what she did was worse then what some other murder did she should get a "harsher" penalty....

that's not how it works.


Soooo you DO see the difference between Dr K and CA. Very good - its like ur agreeing with me but pretending not to.

Dr K was in the SECOND degree. HENCE DIFFERENT PUNISHMENTS

HENCE why there is a difference in assigning different punishments

You just proved i was right

byron
09-13-2011, 06:29 PM
idk about that with Gruden, Matt....it's not like he was ever given a decent QB to start with. But at the same time, I think he's more of a total package than Cowher(and clearly more personable), and that by itself puts him ahead of Fisher on my list.
No real reasoning, I just think he's the best fit, cuz I think it's as opposite of Coughlin as you can get, and I think that's what the team needs. The opposite. thats funny man...they brought TC in to be the opposite of Jim Fassel with at the time I thought was a drastic move and still do....just saying...I truly believe if TC could just bend and adjust his ways and thinking burn the book so to speak ..We might not be having this convo...knowing ones faults is the first step to fixing things he eitherdoesn't know or just doesn't want to change pick your poison I guess....I'm done with himget it done or get the hell out , retire,get firedI don't carethe ball is in his court and has been for some time now.....

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 06:38 PM
this is exactly what i was saying. whos to say what logical or not. your both fighting over it.


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Currently we are talking about the legal system correct (or more specifically capital punishment but i digress)

The FACT is Dez that I'm "right" and he's "wrong" with what we are talking about...assuming she was convicted (which she wasn't) and ***<FONT size=6>uming it was of first degree murder, she would be punished in a way that would be in line with all other people that had been convicted of first degree murder.</FONT>

that's just how it is, Matt seems to think that because HE thinks what she did was worse then what some other murder did she should get a "harsher" penalty....

that's not how it works.


Soooo you DO see the difference between Dr K and CA. Very good - its like ur agreeing with me but pretending not to.

Dr K was in the SECOND degree. HENCE DIFFERENT PUNISHMENTS

HENCE why there is a difference in assigning different punishments

You just proved i was right
</P>


I have to agree with Daven..........Jacobs would definately beat Bradshaw in a 100 yard dash.</P>

bandwgn86
09-13-2011, 06:39 PM
idk about that with Gruden, Matt....it's not like he was ever given a decent QB to start with. But at the same time, I think he's more of a total package than Cowher(and clearly more personable), and that by itself puts him ahead of Fisher on my list.
No real reasoning, I just think he's the best fit, cuz I think it's as opposite of Coughlin as you can get, and I think that's what the team needs. The opposite. thats funny man...they brought TC in to be the opposite of* Jim Fassel with at the time I thought was a drastic move and still do....just saying...I truly believe if TC could just bend and adjust his ways and thinking burn the book so to speak ..We might not be having this convo...knowing ones faults is the first step to fixing things he either*doesn't know or just doesn't want to change pick your poison I guess....I'm done with him*get it done or get the hell out , retire*,get fired*I don't care*the ball is in his court and has been for some time now.....*angry B!

bandwgn86
09-13-2011, 06:40 PM
this is exactly what i was saying. whos to say what logical or not. your both fighting over it.


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Currently we are talking about the legal system correct (or more specifically capital punishment but i digress)

The FACT is Dez that I'm "right" and he's "wrong" with what we are talking about...assuming she was convicted (which she wasn't) and ***<FONT size=6>uming it was of first degree murder, she would be punished in a way that would be in line with all other people that had been convicted of first degree murder.</FONT>

that's just how it is, Matt seems to think that because HE thinks what she did was worse then what some other murder did she should get a "harsher" penalty....

that's not how it works.


Soooo you DO see the difference between Dr K and CA. Very good - its like ur agreeing with me but pretending not to.

Dr K was in the SECOND degree. HENCE DIFFERENT PUNISHMENTS

HENCE why there is a difference in assigning different punishments

You just proved i was right
</P>


I have to agree with Daven..........Jacobs would definately beat Bradshaw in a 100 yard dash.</P>i think i just heard MMBs head explode lol..

byron
09-13-2011, 06:45 PM
Bill Cowher please....TC has lost this team....should have been fired in '09....thi may be THEE WORST coaching staff in all of football....I like Gruden too or ****ing anybody but TC....and Fewell is overrated too.....<FONT color=#0000ff>the secondary couldn't cover **** so blitz all day long.....**** it.</FONT></P>


Oh looking for another receiver....in FF in a trade ( a good one )</P>I was screaming for that two days maybe more before game day...get the rook lbson the field andsend'em sure we would have got maybe..we still lost playing safe...

bandwgn86
09-13-2011, 06:59 PM
Bill Cowher please....TC has lost this team....should have been fired in '09....thi may be THEE WORST coaching staff in all of football....I like Gruden too or ****ing anybody but TC....and Fewell is overrated too.....<FONT color=#0000ff>the secondary couldn't cover **** so blitz all day long.....**** it.</FONT></P>


Oh looking for another receiver....in FF in a trade ( a good one )</P>I was screaming for that two days maybe more before game day...get the rook lbs*on the field and*send'em sure we would have got maybe..we still lost playing safe...*what had me screaming was during the game we got no protection from oline but yet every passing play seemed like it was a playaction pass.. why have the qb with his back to the Defence when your oline is swiss cheese..

byron
09-13-2011, 07:00 PM
He's the one guy who would definately keep Eli. <FONT size=6>Not sure about the other two.

<FONT size=3>my comment still stands, your out of your mind. I read exactly what you said.

No coach is going to look to get rid of a superbowl QB.

Actually, they are. Stop listening to talking heads on ESPN.
</FONT></FONT></P>


I never watch ESPN. I'm an NFL Sirius guy myself. </P>


Eli was a SB QB 4 years ago. He's a good player but if the team collapses (which is a distinct possibility) all positions have to be reviewed. If you don't think that a new coach is going to be absolutely convinced that Eli is the QB of the future for the Giants, the guy he would attach his future as a coach to, you are dreaming.</P>


Stop drinking the koolaid Matt and look at the real world.</P>




well then u really have no basis for saying that cuz I listen to it prety much 8 hours a day.

I dont like when bull**** pours out of ur mouth. I miss the honest and logical thinking pappy

this "new" you is unbecoming
</P>


I don't regurgitate everything I here. I actually come to my own conclusions.</P>


But again, if you think that a new HC isn't going to be very diligent in their review of Eli, you are whistling past the graveyard.</P>


Of course thats logic 101. A guy takes a job as an NFL HC. His entire career is on the line and you think he should rubber stamp the QB because he won a SB 4 years earlier.</P>


No one survives in the NFL thinking like that.</P>Alot of times it doesn't matter if it's actually Eli's fault. Matt pointed out very clearly yesterday how the int-was not on Eli. I think the issue larger than Eli's performance is his Franchise QB price tag. I don't know the details of it, but I imagine it has a lot to do with replacing him and effecting the teams finances. That being said, I'm not convinced that if Eli does not start to make something happen he is going to fall into the crosshairs of the coaches.
I'd agree LT as for the money its allabout the guarenteed money once thats spent pretty anything could happen...Eli needs play well or the **** is going to hit the fan...And I'm not an Eli hater but I do want this team to win and at the very least not look like **** losing...I am not trying to piss anybody off here I think lot of each and every one of ya but I have had enought of this dismal football we are seeing... they start out slow and die at the end something just ain't right how many years doI have to think this.. I support the players that play the best love ya Matt ...I like Fisher of those mentioned

byron
09-13-2011, 07:12 PM
im in an 18 person league. it is madness
</P>


You mean 17 person league.</P>


MH---I know it's seldom discussed, but how did you make out with your butt? You know the gi scope? I hope all is well.
</P>


Thanks for asking my friend. I'm told that I have a perfect colon.</P>


But it was friggin horrible drinking that crap. Had to drink 8 oz. every 15 minutes for 4 hours. Probably gagged on 25% of the gulps.</P>Glad to herethat MH...that stuff sucks whenI had it donehad to drink it all in a hour..I'd start out good then start no problem , yeah right the last 1/2hour was hell! They changed the process some time after my last one i believe....

bigblue4417
09-13-2011, 07:43 PM
<div class="report">


ESPN's John Clayton confirms that Hakeem Nicks' status is "in doubt" for Week 2.</p>
</div>

Clayton is confirming a New York Daily News report
that Nicks is "at best, uncertain" for Monday night's game against the
Rams. "The knee is day to day but there is definite concern about this
week," says Clayton.

byron
09-13-2011, 08:14 PM
I rest my case aboutTC and this staff</P>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2240868.aspx (/forums/thread/2240868.aspx)</P>


the fat ladyis singing....</P>


3 years wasted</P>


I won't sayany more</P>

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 08:24 PM
lol why not. it helps keeps society in order for the most part


LOL see there it is again, I don't understand this thought process...and I'm intrigued.

lol why not? because by definition it is illogical...

the result of something doesn't change what it is.

you are saying Eye for and Eye helps keep society in line (lets accept that as if it were true)

even if it's true, that doesn't make an Illogical stance suddenly Logical.

for example Robin Hood, He stole from the rich and gave to the power, lets assume he was "helping" society by doing so....does that mean he was no longer a thief?

OF COURSE NOT....He's still a Thief...just because you agree with his morals and what he's doing doesn't CHANGE what he's doing.
whos to say whats logical and whats not?

Daven-I love ya. I too constantly strive to make logical sense out of other's actions, decisions and motives. Unfortunately far too many times it ends in not being satisfied with the results. It is a matter of individual perspective as to what is logical and what is not. You could support a theory or a position with a billion facts and I guarantee that there will be those who disagree. Personally I always think my logic is the correct logic. However, over the years I have realized that many think differently. Does that make them stupid? Of course not...just the same asI am not any smarter than them. lol. </P>


LT has learned the following so far at this young age:</P>


1&gt;To look at and question myself more closely. I'm far from perfect.</P>


2&gt;To avoid disagreement/arguments "to a degree"-because more times than not.. things work out naturallyall by themselves.</P>

lttaylor56
09-13-2011, 08:25 PM
I rest my case aboutTC and this staff</P>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2240868.aspx (/forums/thread/2240868.aspx)</P>


the fat ladyis singing....</P>


3 years wasted</P>


I won't sayany more</P>I'm as frustrated as you B. Somethings gotta give with this team.

bigblue4417
09-13-2011, 09:05 PM
<div class="report">


A league source tells NFL Network's Steve Wyche
that the Giants' goal this season is to "manufacture" wins by easing the
reliance on Eli Manning.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Translation: The G-Men will lean on Ahmad Bradshaw
and Brandon Jacobs a good deal more than last season while trying to
generate turnovers on an injury-ravaged defense. With Steve Smith and
Kevin Boss departed, Manning has struggled since the beginning of the
preseason. It's not a bad idea for Eli owners to target Cam Newton, Chad
Henne, or Rex Grossman on this week's waiver wire.

OUCH!!!
</div>

Morehead State
09-13-2011, 09:07 PM
<DIV class=report>


A league source tells NFL Network's Steve Wyche that the Giants' goal this season is to "manufacture" wins by easing the reliance on Eli Manning.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Translation: The G-Men will lean on Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs a good deal more than last season while trying to generate turnovers on an injury-ravaged defense. With Steve Smith and Kevin Boss departed, Manning has struggled since the beginning of the preseason. It's not a bad idea for Eli owners to target Cam Newton, Chad Henne, or Rex Grossman on this week's waiver wire.

OUCH!!!
</DIV>


</P>


No comment.</P>

sharick88
09-14-2011, 01:25 AM
<div class="report">


ESPN's John Clayton confirms that Hakeem Nicks' status is "in doubt" for Week 2.</p>
</div>

Clayton is confirming a New York Daily News report
that Nicks is "at best, uncertain" for Monday night's game against the
Rams. "The knee is day to day but there is definite concern about this
week," says Clayton.
**** The Crypt Keeper!!!

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 09:03 AM
<DIV class=report>


A league source tells NFL Network's Steve Wyche that the Giants' goal this season is to "manufacture" wins by easing the reliance on Eli Manning.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Translation: The G-Men will lean on Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs a good deal more than last season while trying to generate turnovers on an injury-ravaged defense. With Steve Smith and Kevin Boss departed, Manning has struggled since the beginning of the preseason. It's not a bad idea for Eli owners to target Cam Newton, Chad Henne, or Rex Grossman on this week's waiver wire.

OUCH!!!
</DIV>


</P>


No comment.</P>


</P>


That's fine and all...as long as the O-line doesnt suck *** like they did the 2nd half of this week, and as long as we don't abandon the run game the entire 2nd half.</P>


We have RBs who we SHOULD be able to count on anyway, so we should really let these guys do the work we know they can...</P>


Plus, then Morehead would shut up for a week maybe.</P>

bandwgn86
09-14-2011, 09:32 AM
<DIV class=report>


A league source tells NFL Network's Steve Wyche that the Giants' goal this season is to "manufacture" wins by easing the reliance on Eli Manning.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Translation: The G-Men will lean on Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs a good deal more than last season while trying to generate turnovers on an injury-ravaged defense. With Steve Smith and Kevin Boss departed, Manning has struggled since the beginning of the preseason. It's not a bad idea for Eli owners to target Cam Newton, Chad Henne, or Rex Grossman on this week's waiver wire.

OUCH!!!
</DIV>


</P>


No comment.</P>


</P>


That's fine and all...as long as the O-line doesnt suck *** like they did the 2nd half of this week, and as long as we don't abandon the run game the entire 2nd half.</P>


We have RBs who we SHOULD be able to count on anyway, so we should really let these guys do the work we know they can...</P>


Plus, then Morehead would shut up for a week maybe.</P>You are such a trouble maker...

bandwgn86
09-14-2011, 09:35 AM
Bandy's dropped 15 pounds so far.... Another 50 and I'll be at my fighting weight lol :(

I'm so hungry I could eat this I pad.......

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 09:35 AM
You are such a trouble maker...</P>


;)</P>


sometimes.</P>

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 09:38 AM
Bandy's dropped 15 pounds so far.... Another 50 and I'll be at my fighting weight lol :( I'm so hungry I could eat this I pad.......</P>


noice...grats dude.</P>


i really need to jump on the whole weight loss thing.
I'm overweight, even for my height....but I'm also lazy once I get home. So most of my weight loss just comes from totally changing my diet.</P>

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 09:41 AM
<div class="report">


ESPN's John Clayton confirms that Hakeem Nicks' status is "in doubt" for Week 2.</p>
</div>

Clayton is confirming a New York Daily News report
that Nicks is "at best, uncertain" for Monday night's game against the
Rams. "The knee is day to day but there is definite concern about this
week," says Clayton.
**** The Crypt Keeper!!!The Rams are banged up for the upcoming game as well. Their QB has throwing thumb issues, their wr-dislocated his elbow, Rb probs, offensive line starter injuries. Spags was reported saying that this is the worse he has been faced with regarding injuries in his short head coach career.

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 09:43 AM
Bandy's dropped 15 pounds so far.... Another 50 and I'll be at my fighting weight lol :( I'm so hungry I could eat this I pad.......</p>


noice...grats dude.</p>


i really need to jump on the whole weight loss thing.
I'm overweight, even for my height....but I'm also lazy once I get home. So most of my weight loss just comes from totally changing my diet.</p>Yes! Nice work Bandy...keep with the discipline. At one point you will hit a certain weight that is perfect for your metabolism and things will really start happening. Then you can actually eat a little bit more and get the same results in weight loss. -Something to look forward to.

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 09:45 AM
Jp-I'm coming to your branch with the worst grimey, moist, nasty coins that sit in the console holders in my truck that catch all the perspiration from my drinks and I am going to jam your coin machine and request that Pizzelback assist me because I heard that he runs the show in that der place. lol.

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 09:48 AM
Jp-I'm coming to your branch with the worst grimey, moist, nasty coins that sit in the console holders in my truck that catch all the perspiration from my drinks and I am going to jam your coin machine and request that Pizzelback assist me because I heard that he runs the show in that der place. lol.
</P>


**** that noise!

I'm in IBM today, but even if you DID do that, I would do this...</P>


http://i.imgur.com/fFMjR.gif</P>

bandwgn86
09-14-2011, 09:49 AM
Bandy's dropped 15 pounds so far.... Another 50 and I'll be at my fighting weight lol :( I'm so hungry I could eat this I pad.......</P>


noice...grats dude.</P>


i really need to jump on the whole weight loss thing.
I'm overweight, even for my height....but I'm also lazy once I get home. So most of my weight loss just comes from totally changing my diet.</P>Thanks... Im same as you. Lazy and bad diet.. I'm still lazy the only thing I cut out was....Well Just about everything that tastes good lol..
Walk for a half hour every couple of days..eat mostly vegetables and it flys off.. 15 in a month.. I assume I'll hit a wall soon and have to add more exercise to continue to lose weight... Yuck

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 09:53 AM
check it...</P>


I taught Yoda how to dougie...</P>


http://i.imgur.com/f1ATt.gif</P>

bandwgn86
09-14-2011, 09:54 AM
Bandy's dropped 15 pounds so far.... Another 50 and I'll be at my fighting weight lol :( I'm so hungry I could eat this I pad.......</p>


noice...grats dude.</p>


i really need to jump on the whole weight loss thing.
I'm overweight, even for my height....but I'm also lazy once I get home. So most of my weight loss just comes from totally changing my diet.</p>Yes!* Nice work Bandy...keep with the discipline.* At one point you will hit a certain weight that is perfect for your metabolism and things will really start happening.* Then you can actually eat a little bit more and get the same results in weight loss. -Something to look forward to.
That's good to hear. I don't mind eating raw vegetables but f me why is it so expensive to eat healthy

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 09:58 AM
Jp-I'm coming to your branch with the worst grimey, moist, nasty coins that sit in the console holders in my truck that catch all the perspiration from my drinks and I am going to jam your coin machine and request that Pizzelback assist me because I heard that he runs the show in that der place. lol.
</p>


**** that noise!

I'm in IBM today, but even if you DID do that, I would do this...</p>


http://i.imgur.com/fFMjR.gif</p>Thats the perfect goat gaze for such an action ha

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 10:11 AM
Bandy's dropped 15 pounds so far.... Another 50 and I'll be at my fighting weight lol :( I'm so hungry I could eat this I pad.......</p>


noice...grats dude.</p>


i really need to jump on the whole weight loss thing.
I'm overweight, even for my height....but I'm also lazy once I get home. So most of my weight loss just comes from totally changing my diet.</p>Yes! Nice work Bandy...keep with the discipline. At one point you will hit a certain weight that is perfect for your metabolism and things will really start happening. Then you can actually eat a little bit more and get the same results in weight loss. -Something to look forward to.
That's good to hear. I don't mind eating raw vegetables but f me why is it so expensive to eat healthySo true, the garbage food is cheaper.

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 10:37 AM
After week #1 performance vs the Vikes, Chargers are the top rated pass defense and the #26 rush defense allowing 159 rush yards.

Pat's play Chargers on Sunday in SD. I'll start my NE rb, that's a no brainer. Do I pull my NE wr from the roster? or do I consider the fact that McNabb is not Brady and there's no way SD shut's down the New England pass game?

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 10:57 AM
I rest my case aboutTC and this staff</p>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2240868.aspx (/forums/thread/2240868.aspx)</p>


the fat ladyis singing....</p>


3 years wasted</p>


I won't sayany more</p>indeeed.....i also think this defense is going to give 09's d a run for its money.

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 11:05 AM
After week #1 performance vs the Vikes, Chargers are the top rated pass defense and the #26 rush defense allowing 159 rush yards.

Pat's play Chargers on Sunday in SD. I'll start my NE rb, that's a no brainer. Do I pull my NE wr from the roster? or do I consider the fact that McNabb is not Brady and there's no way SD shut's down the New England pass game?
</P>


sounds like way too much over thinking. There's nothing scary about SD's pass defense based off only 1 game.
Plus, with that outlook, youre assuming brady gets shut down....not a chance.</P>

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 11:07 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.

DavenIII
09-14-2011, 11:13 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 11:15 AM
After week #1 performance vs the Vikes, Chargers are the top rated pass defense and the #26 rush defense allowing 159 rush yards.

Pat's play Chargers on Sunday in SD. I'll start my NE rb, that's a no brainer. Do I pull my NE wr from the roster? or do I consider the fact that McNabb is not Brady and there's no way SD shut's down the New England pass game?
</p>


sounds like way too much over thinking. There's nothing scary about SD's pass defense based off only 1 game.
Plus, with that outlook, youre assuming brady gets shut down....not a chance.</p>Contrare--I hail that the King -Tom Brady will show that SD's pass defense sucksssss. Too much thinking, huh? Sometimes lead me to Paralysis by over analysis. Common Problem.

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 11:20 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 11:20 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 11:23 AM
I rest my case aboutTC and this staff</p>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2240868.aspx (/forums/thread/2240868.aspx)</p>


the fat ladyis singing....</p>


3 years wasted</p>


I won't sayany more</p>indeeed.....i also think this defense is going to give 09's d a run for its money.


i disagree...
in 09 we coudlnt' stop the run or the pass

we seem to be solid on the run

I was breaking down the first quarter last night... we played alot more man than you'd realize. Webster had an AWFUL first quarter. He looked ****ing AWFUL. Snee looked surprisingly unstable as well. Hynoski was getting blown up all over the field

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 11:24 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 11:30 AM
I rest my case aboutTC and this staff</p>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2240868.aspx (/forums/thread/2240868.aspx)</p>


the fat ladyis singing....</p>


3 years wasted</p>


I won't sayany more</p>indeeed.....i also think this defense is going to give 09's d a run for its money.


i disagree...
in 09 we coudlnt' stop the run or the pass

we seem to be solid on the run

I was breaking down the first quarter last night... we played alot more man than you'd realize. Webster had an AWFUL first quarter. He looked ****ing AWFUL. Snee looked surprisingly unstable as well. Hynoski was getting blown up all over the field
who knows. i saw ross in man and corey in zone one play. when ever corey got beat he was like 5ft away from a wr so i still think our problems are zone. i dont mind our safetys or lbers playing zones, but our corners are horrible at it.

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 11:30 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<u>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</u>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 11:33 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<u>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</u>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 11:34 AM
Is anyone buying mass tickets this year that I should throw in on?
or should me and my boy just get our own?

I need a parking pass also

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 11:37 AM
Is anyone buying mass tickets this year that I should throw in on?
or should me and my boy just get our own?

I need a parking pass also

parking passes will be on your own

I think we are trying to all sit together

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 11:40 AM
Is anyone buying mass tickets this year that I should throw in on?
or should me and my boy just get our own?

I need a parking pass also

parking passes will be on your own

I think we are trying to all sit together
</P>


when we buying?</P>

ny06
09-14-2011, 11:44 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<U>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</U>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective
</P>


That pass to Bradshaw was horrible. </P>


You knew as soon as the play began he was going to go to Bradshaw. </P>


If bradshaw would have caught that he would have gotten rocked. </P>


I said it before and I will say it again, Eli didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. </P>

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 11:46 AM
Eli didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. </P>


</P>


well....considering we didn't win at all......yea. lol</P>

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 11:47 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<u>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</u>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective
I'm not putting it all on Eli-I just don't know that the team is up to speed yet.

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 11:48 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<u>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</u>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective
</p>


That pass to Bradshaw was horrible. </p>


You knew as soon as the play began he was going to go to Bradshaw. </p>


If bradshaw would have caught that he would have gotten rocked. </p>


I said it before and I will say it again, Eli didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. </p>

again no way he could of won it with the performance of the oline

Just saying the "slow start" knock he had was really bull****.

ny06
09-14-2011, 11:53 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<U>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</U>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective
</P>


That pass to Bradshaw was horrible. </P>


You knew as soon as the play began he was going to go to Bradshaw. </P>


If bradshaw would have caught that he would have gotten rocked. </P>


I said it before and I will say it again, Eli didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. </P>




again no way he could of won it with the performance of the oline

Just saying the "slow start" knock he had was really bull****.


</P>


The o-line was horrible, it would have been nice if Gilbride would have ran the ball majority of the game so the o-line can do what they do best. Run Block...</P>


</P>

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 11:54 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.

The fact that it can even reasonably be considered is a huge problem...

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 11:56 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<u>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</u>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective
</p>


That pass to Bradshaw was horrible. </p>


You knew as soon as the play began he was going to go to Bradshaw. </p>


If bradshaw would have caught that he would have gotten rocked. </p>


I said it before and I will say it again, Eli didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. </p>




again no way he could of won it with the performance of the oline

Just saying the "slow start" knock he had was really bull****.


</p>


The o-line was horrible, it would have been nice if Gilbride would have ran the ball majority of the game so the o-line can do what they do best. Run Block...</p>


</p>O-line needs a little work too. Dabass missed a key block on a 4th down.

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 11:57 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<u>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</u>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective
</p>


That pass to Bradshaw was horrible. </p>


You knew as soon as the play began he was going to go to Bradshaw. </p>


If bradshaw would have caught that he would have gotten rocked. </p>


I said it before and I will say it again, Eli didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. </p>




again no way he could of won it with the performance of the oline

Just saying the "slow start" knock he had was really bull****.


</p>


The o-line was horrible, it would have been nice if Gilbride would have ran the ball majority of the game so the o-line can do what they do best. Run Block...</p>


</p>O-line needs a little work too. Dabass missed a key block on a 4th down.
and Eli did not look in anyway comfortable in that pocket...How many sacks did we allow? 4.ugghh

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 11:57 AM
Mo completed his 600th save last night.
http://pointbartemus.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/6a00e551db9e1a88340120a5ef2954970b.jpg

LEGENDARY

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 11:58 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.
yea but rex is going up against the cards secondary and the giants will be running a lot. try to anyway


i'll believe that when i see it.

<u>Spags will be better to face us for the run than for the pass i think</u>
That's just great, Eli is ready to put the game on his shoulders and show us the promise land---NOT.


just for the record...

eli started the game 2 for 7

threw one ball away, had 2 drops and had his arm hit as he was throwing.

Then there was one ball he threw towards nicks that I think he might of possibly just been throwing away

and even that one ball that dropped by Bradshaw he prob should of looked somewhere else for it

either way eli didn't play no where near as bad as anybody would suggest

questionable flag on the grounding. I guess it was but Jacobs was in the vicinity. Vicinity is subjective
</p>


That pass to Bradshaw was horrible. </p>


You knew as soon as the play began he was going to go to Bradshaw. </p>


If bradshaw would have caught that he would have gotten rocked. </p>


I said it before and I will say it again, Eli didn't lose the game, but he didn't win it either. </p>




again no way he could of won it with the performance of the oline

Just saying the "slow start" knock he had was really bull****.


</p>


The o-line was horrible, it would have been nice if Gilbride would have ran the ball majority of the game so the o-line can do what they do best. Run Block...</p>


</p>
well like i said i only rewatched the first quarter in depth

but twice our FBacks cause our backs to cut the ball back with the oline blocking well....

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 11:58 AM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.

The fact that it can even reasonably be considered is a huge problem...
agreed.

ny06
09-14-2011, 11:59 AM
Mo completed his 600th save last night.
http://pointbartemus.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/6a00e551db9e1a88340120a5ef2954970b.jpg

LEGENDARY

</P>


G.O.A.T</P>

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 12:00 PM
“We as a team and as an organization, we know that the Washington Redskins is [sic] not a better than us,” Giants safety Antrel Rolle (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3149/antrel-rolle) told WFAN, via Jeff Roberts of NorthJersey.com. “We know that hands down. If we played them 100 times, they might win five (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/trueblue/rolle_if_we_played_the_skins_100_times_wed_beat_th em_95_times/).”</p>


Rolle also said he wasn’t impressed with Redskins quarterback Rex Grossman (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2450/rex-grossman).</p>


“No, not at all,” Rolle said. “And we’ll definitely prove that the
next time around. And we will get after Rex. He’s going to feel the
Giants coming next time around. But we’ll take care of that when the
time comes.”</p>


The time comes in December. And Rolle’s remarks likely will be
dusted off at that time, as the Redskins try to get their second of five
out of 100 wins.</p>

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 12:02 PM
“We as a team and as an organization, we know that the Washington Redskins is [sic] not a better than us,” Giants safety Antrel Rolle (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3149/antrel-rolle) told WFAN, via Jeff Roberts of NorthJersey.com. “We know that hands down. If we played them 100 times, they might win five (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/trueblue/rolle_if_we_played_the_skins_100_times_wed_beat_th em_95_times/).”</p>


Rolle also said he wasn’t impressed with Redskins quarterback Rex Grossman (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2450/rex-grossman).</p>


“No, not at all,” Rolle said. “And we’ll definitely prove that the
next time around. And we will get after Rex. He’s going to feel the
Giants coming next time around. But we’ll take care of that when the
time comes.”</p>


The time comes in December. <u>And Rolle’s remarks likely will be
dusted off at that time, as the Redskins try to get their second of five
out of 100 wins.</u></p>lol

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 12:15 PM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.

The fact that it can even reasonably be considered is a huge problem...


Grossman just threw vs 300 yards and looked good and is playing one of the worst secondaries in the league

the sky is not falling i promise

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 12:18 PM
i finally figured out why mhs is getting more and more anti eli. hes hoping he can distract us from the fact that his beloved soax are now 4 games behind the yanks and in a battle for the wild card against the rays.

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 12:21 PM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.

The fact that it can even reasonably be considered is a huge problem...


Grossman just threw vs 300 yards and looked good and is playing one of the worst secondaries in the league

the sky is not falling i promise

I never said it was. Nor am I worried about it.

Tell me this however, when in your wildest dreams did you think anyone could be sitting there going should I play Rex Grossman vs the Cardinals or Eli Manning vs the Rams? It should not even be questionable and the fact that it is sucks. lol

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 12:23 PM
manny ramirez lastest hit comes against his wife.....

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 12:27 PM
eli or rex, rex or eli? that is the question.


that's not even a question, obviously Eli... anyone who says otherwise is just a hater.

The fact that it can even reasonably be considered is a huge problem...


Grossman just threw vs 300 yards and looked good and is playing one of the worst secondaries in the league

the sky is not falling i promise

I never said it was. Nor am I worried about it.

Tell me this however, when in your wildest dreams did you think anyone could be sitting there going should I play Rex Grossman vs the Cardinals or Eli Manning vs the Rams? It should not even be questionable and the fact that it is sucks. lol


i hear ya but its more of REx Grossman seemingly turning a corner in his life. I dind't realize it but hes been in the league for 8-9 years? Thats nuts

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 12:27 PM
i finally figured out why mhs is getting more and more anti eli. hes hoping he can distract us from the fact that his beloved soax are now 4 games behind the yanks and in a battle for the wild card against the rays.


LMAO +1

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 12:29 PM
i finally figured out why mhs is getting more and more anti eli. hes hoping he can distract us from the fact that his beloved soax are now 4 games behind the yanks and in a battle for the wild card against the rays.
</P>


+1</P>

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 12:32 PM
i finally figured out why mhs is getting more and more anti eli. hes hoping he can distract us from the fact that his beloved soax are now 4 games behind the yanks and in a battle for the wild card against the rays.
lol

lttaylor56
09-14-2011, 12:57 PM
I don't think I would like this job. Pic way too big--removed.

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:15 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">?#Giants
Jersey Update: Nike is taking over for Reebok next season and will be
changing a bunch of NFL Jerseys. No word on specifics of which teams
will get a jersey change but I have heard the Giants were planning a
change for 2012 before the new Nike deal. Just a head's up.</span></h6>

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 01:16 PM
i finally figured out why mhs is getting more and more anti eli. hes hoping he can distract us from the fact that his beloved soax are now 4 games behind the yanks and in a battle for the wild card against the rays.
lol</P>


With Morehead away this thread dies. So you all have to at least mention my name to get it going again.</P>


Its flattering.</P>


And the Sox have weathered the storm. We will take care of business this weekend and get ready for the post season.</P>

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 01:20 PM
i finally figured out why mhs is getting more and more anti eli. hes hoping he can distract us from the fact that his beloved soax are now 4 games behind the yanks and in a battle for the wild card against the rays.
lol</p>


<u>With Morehead away this thread dies.</u> So you all have to at least mention my name to get it going again.</p>


Its flattering.</p>


And the Sox have weathered the storm. We will take care of business this weekend and get ready for the post season.</p>stop being conceded, its UNBECOMING.

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 01:23 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">?#Giants
Jersey Update: Nike is taking over for Reebok next season and will be
changing a bunch of NFL Jerseys. No word on specifics of which teams
will get a jersey change but I have heard the Giants were planning a
change for 2012 before the new Nike deal. Just a head's up.</span></h6>i hope they keep it simple. dont care about the logo on the helmet, i like both
Home: white pants, deep blue jerseys
Away: white pants, early 2000 jerseys. those were nice.

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:24 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">?#Giants
Jersey Update: Nike is taking over for Reebok next season and will be
changing a bunch of NFL Jerseys. No word on specifics of which teams
will get a jersey change but I have heard the Giants were planning a
change for 2012 before the new Nike deal. Just a head's up.</span></h6>i hope they keep it simple. dont care about the logo on the helmet, i like both
Home: white pants, deep blue jerseys
Away: white pants, early 2000 jerseys. those were nice.


i hope we get some legit looking away jerseys. I hate that we're big blue without a drop of blue on our jerseys. Its annoying

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 01:25 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class=messageBody data-ft='{"type":3}'>?#Giants Jersey Update: Nike is taking over for Reebok next season and will be changing a bunch of NFL Jerseys. No word on specifics of which teams will get a jersey change but I have heard the Giants were planning a change for 2012 before the new Nike deal. Just a head's up.</SPAN></H6>


</P>


we talked about this when I learned about the Nike Combat series takign over the old reebok contract. remember I posted all the pics, and I was the only one who liked them? lol</P>


granted it was concept art, but...I welcome a change.</P>

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 01:28 PM
Giants concept :
team has final say obviously....and there is no road example yet</P>


http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-440x390.png</P>


edit - I REALLY doubt we do blue pants. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:29 PM
listen to my dads bad luck with QBs this year:

He drafted Peyton, Bradford, Beck

cut Beck for Garrard

next day Garrard got released

LOLOL

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:29 PM
listen to my dads bad luck with QBs this year:

He drafted Peyton, Bradford, Beck

cut Beck for Garrard

next day Garrard got released

LOLOL


and he has Colston

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 01:30 PM
Giants concept :
team has final say obviously....and there is no road example yet</p>


http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-440x390.png</p>mehhh.they dont look bad but im more old school, give me the throw backs

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:30 PM
Giants concept :
team has final say obviously....and there is no road example yet</p>


http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-440x390.png</p>

i read somewhere that pic was fake and wasn't from Nike

I like our blue ones but that looks hot too

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 01:30 PM
<div class="report">


The New York Daily News does not expect Hakeem Nicks (knee) to miss more than one game at most.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Doctors are almost certain that Nicks has a
mere bone bruise and no real damage in his knee. He'll miss practice
due to swelling, but he still has a chance to play against the Rams
Monday night if the knee loosens up. Either way, Nicks' injury is not a
long-term concern, and the extra day to heal should help his chances.
It's still early in the week, but we wouldn't be surprised if Nicks is a
game-time decision in Week 2. His availability is going to come down
to swelling reduction, which can be unpredictable.
</div><div class="report">



</p>


</p>

Cadillac Williams is expected to carry a full workload in Monday night's game against the Giants.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Steven Jackson (quad) is likely to miss at
least one game. Williams is 29 and running on bionic knees, but he has
nice skills out of the backfield and is an asset in pass protection.
Cadillac projects as an every-down back, with Jerious Norwood coming on
for a change-of-pace role. The Rotoworld Season Pass currently ranks
Caddy 30th among Week 2 running backs. He doesn't have a whole lot of
upside, but 25 touches are well within reach.
</div>

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 01:30 PM
i finally figured out why mhs is getting more and more anti eli. hes hoping he can distract us from the fact that his beloved soax are now 4 games behind the yanks and in a battle for the wild card against the rays.
lol</P>


<U>With Morehead away this thread dies.</U> So you all have to at least mention my name to get it going again.</P>


Its flattering.</P>


And the Sox have weathered the storm. We will take care of business this weekend and get ready for the post season.</P>


stop being conceded, its UNBECOMING.
</P>


Oh.....Its becoming alright!</P>

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 01:32 PM
<DIV class=report>


The New York Daily News does not expect Hakeem Nicks (knee) to miss more than one game at most.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Doctors are almost certain that Nicks has a mere bone bruise and no real damage in his knee. He'll miss practice due to swelling, but he still has a chance to play against the Rams Monday night if the knee loosens up. Either way, Nicks' injury is not a long-term concern, and the extra day to heal should help his chances. It's still early in the week, but we wouldn't be surprised if Nicks is a game-time decision in Week 2. His availability is going to come down to swelling reduction, which can be unpredictable. </DIV>
<DIV class=report>



</P>



</P>


Cadillac Williams is expected to carry a full workload in Monday night's game against the Giants.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Steven Jackson (quad) is likely to miss at least one game. Williams is 29 and running on bionic knees, but he has nice skills out of the backfield and is an asset in pass protection. Cadillac projects as an every-down back, with Jerious Norwood coming on for a change-of-pace role. The Rotoworld Season Pass currently ranks Caddy 30th among Week 2 running backs. He doesn't have a whole lot of upside, but 25 touches are well within reach. </DIV>


</P>


tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped. </P>


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</P>

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 01:34 PM
do any of you have pregame rituals/superstitions that you believe have an effect on the giants winning

i need to listen to certain songs in a certain order to pump me up. and i got my lucky giants boxers, and 2 lucky shirts and my hat.

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 01:34 PM
Giants concept :
team has final say obviously....and there is no road example yet</P>


http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-440x390.png</P>


mehhh.they dont look bad but im more old school, give me the throw backs
</P>


honestly man....of all the teams in the league, we have the most plain unis around.

A change in uniform could mean change in team, hence why I want it. no matter how drastic.</P>

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 01:36 PM
Giants concept :
team has final say obviously....and there is no road example yet</p>


http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-440x390.png</p>


mehhh.they dont look bad but im more old school, give me the throw backs
</p>


honestly man....of all the teams in the league, we have the most plain unis around.

<u>A change in uniform could mean change in team</u>, hence why I want it. no matter how drastic.</p>as in performance? no chance in hell.

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 01:37 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</p>
Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:37 PM
Giants concept :
team has final say obviously....and there is no road example yet</p>


http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-440x390.png</p>


mehhh.they dont look bad but im more old school, give me the throw backs
</p>


honestly man....of all the teams in the league, we have the most plain unis around.

A change in uniform could mean change in team, hence why I want it. no matter how drastic.</p>

ehhh i think we have the browns beat

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 01:39 PM
do any of you have pregame rituals/superstitions that you believe have an effect on the giants winning

i need to listen to certain songs in a certain order to pump me up. and i got my lucky giants boxers, and 2 lucky shirts and my hat.
</P>


I'm very supersticious about my jerseys and what shirt I wear etc....and I base it off the previous week's game...</P>


like this past weekend, I wore an Osi jersey, and a blue giants shirt...my logic was "He's injured...I can't jinx him" lol...</P>


but we lost....so this week, I wont wear defense, I wont wear an inactive player,and I wont wear a giants shirt...

So I'll wear either Eli, or Jacobs. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:40 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</p>
Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.


I dont even have MJD why would i pick him up?

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 01:42 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</P>



Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.
</P>


Yes but your matchups week 5 are no bueno.</P>

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 01:43 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</P>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</P>


so, no....we dont...</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 01:45 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</p>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</p>


so, no....we dont...</p>

Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 01:45 PM
Giants concept :
team has final say obviously....and there is no road example yet</P>


http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-440x390.png</P>


mehhh.they dont look bad but im more old school, give me the throw backs
</P>


honestly man....of all the teams in the league, we have the most plain unis around.

A change in uniform could mean change in team, hence why I want it. no matter how drastic.</P>




ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</P>


We have the 33rd best road uni's in football. 32 is every high school team. They are horrible.</P>


The uni's we had around 2000 were nice. I HATE the greay pants. They are a nightmare.</P>


Vanilla coaching staff, vanilla game plans, vanilla stadium, vanilla uniforms.</P>

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 01:47 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</P>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</P>


so, no....we dont...</P>




Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
</P>


Love the Browns uniforms. But I was raised on them back in Cleveland as a little kid.</P>

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 01:51 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</P>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</P>


so, no....we dont...</P>




Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
</P>


Love the Browns uniforms. But I was raised on them back in Cleveland as a little kid.</P>


</P>


I gotta agree, I like their classic look much better than ours.

I really like nothing about our uniforms. I mean DO like the shade of blue we use, if that counts. lol</P>

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 01:55 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</P>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</P>


so, no....we dont...</P>




Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
</P>


Love the Browns uniforms. But I was raised on them back in Cleveland as a little kid.</P>


</P>


I gotta agree, I like their classic look much better than ours.

I really like nothing about our uniforms. I mean DO like the shade of blue we use, if that counts. lol</P>


</P>


Only thing I like about our uniforms are the helmets.</P>


Our road jersies are a disgrace. </P>

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 01:56 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</p>
Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.


I dont even have MJD why would i pick him up?

I meant picked him up for her. It would have been the nice thing to do...You guys seem pretty busy though.

JPizzack
09-14-2011, 01:57 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</P>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</P>


so, no....we dont...</P>




Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
</P>


Love the Browns uniforms. But I was raised on them back in Cleveland as a little kid.</P>


</P>


I gotta agree, I like their classic look much better than ours.

I really like nothing about our uniforms. I mean DO like the shade of blue we use, if that counts. lol</P>


</P>


Only thing I like about our uniforms are the helmets.</P>


Our road jersies are a disgrace. </P>


</P>


me too man. i like the ny logo</P>

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 02:00 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</p>



Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.
</p>


Yes but your matchups week 5 are no bueno.</p>
Yeah, lol Not the best match ups. I should still win however unless Phillip goes ape**** @ Denver.

Which is a definite possibility. lol

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 02:02 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</P>



Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.


I dont even have MJD why would i pick him up?

I meant picked him up for her. It would have been the nice thing to do...You guys seem pretty busy though.
</P>


Yes...Matt is very busy organizing the "Its Never Eli's Fault" Club.</P>

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 02:03 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</P>



Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.
</P>


Yes but your matchups week 5 are no bueno.</P>



Yeah, lol Not the best match ups. I should still win however unless Phillip goes ape**** @ Denver.

Which is a definite possibility. lol
</P>


I don't think so. CJ will get stuffed vs Pitt. And you know Rivers will light up Denver's defense. With hopefully a couple TD's to VJax.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 02:03 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</p>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</p>


so, no....we dont...</p>




Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
</p>


Love the Browns uniforms. But I was raised on them back in Cleveland as a little kid.</p>


</p>


I gotta agree, I like their classic look much better than ours.

I really like nothing about our uniforms. I mean DO like the shade of blue we use, if that counts. lol</p>

i would take Marylands state flag unis over them

now THATS saying something

I have Orange and Brown. Gross colors

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 02:05 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</P>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</P>


so, no....we dont...</P>




Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
</P>


Love the Browns uniforms. But I was raised on them back in Cleveland as a little kid.</P>


</P>


I gotta agree, I like their classic look much better than ours.

I really like nothing about our uniforms. I mean DO like the shade of blue we use, if that counts. lol</P>




i would take Marylands state flag unis over them

now THATS saying something

I have Orange and Brown. Gross colors
</P>


Its all a matter of opinion. I think the Browns uni's are classic.</P>


And speaking of the Browns, if anyone ever wants to see an all time funny movie...watch "The Fortune Cookie".</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 02:05 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</p>
Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.


I dont even have MJD why would i pick him up?

I meant picked him up for her. It would have been the nice thing to do...You guys seem pretty busy though.


i just drafted for her cuz we had a house emregency while the draft was going on. Shes in charge of her own team i don't even have her login info


the funny part too is that the only picks she really had a say in was MJD, Dwill, and Ben - everything else was pretty much me

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 02:07 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</P>



Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.


I dont even have MJD why would i pick him up?

I meant picked him up for her. It would have been the nice thing to do...You guys seem pretty busy though.


i just drafted for her cuz we had a house emregency while the draft was going on. Shes in charge of her own team i don't even have her login info


the funny part too is that the only picks she really had a say in was MJD, Dwill, and Ben - everything else was pretty much me
</P>


Denial of login info is the first sign of trouble in a relationship.</P>

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 02:07 PM
should i trade danny amerdola and ed ****son for manningham? i doooo want manningham

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 02:08 PM
I would take Marylands state flag unis over them


Those were sick....Fear the Turtle baby!

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 02:08 PM
should i trade danny amerdola and ed ****son for manningham? i doooo want manningham
</P>


What kind of idiot would give away MM for those 2 stiffs?</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 02:08 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</p>



Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.


I dont even have MJD why would i pick him up?

I meant picked him up for her. It would have been the nice thing to do...You guys seem pretty busy though.
</p>


Yes...Matt is very busy organizing the "Its Never Eli's Fault" Club.</p>

Its great that u've destroyed your "realist" and "optimist" titles you THINK you had.

Everybody sees your a troll now so my job is done.

When Daven chimes in and thinks ur playing the "Daven Game" with what u've been saying about Eli - then its all on the table.

Your officially an Eli troll. This should be your new avatar:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rhuHxI81C6w/SYm5SoDXeFI/AAAAAAAAABc/r5eHRiv4bcc/s320/Limbaugh,+The+Talking+Toilet.jpg

Morehead State
09-14-2011, 02:09 PM
I would take Marylands state flag unis over them


Those were sick....Fear the Turtle baby!
</P>


I loved 'em.</P>

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 02:09 PM
should i trade danny amerdola and ed ****son for manningham? i doooo want manningham


if u dont ur a moron

amendola is out for the year anyawy right

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 02:10 PM
tried to pick him p on waivers but I got trumped.


And there is something out of balance in the universe with Lando not being in first place.</p>



Yeah, Sharieff needed him. I'm glad he got him. I can't believe Matt or Amanda didn't pick up Karim for MJD's handcuff. Kind of stupid but whatever.

Yeah, what are you gonna do. When Brady throws for 517 yards it kind of puts a kink in things. I do believe I will make the playoffs this year. I see a chance to make a run after my bad luck week 1. Plus I get to play you when Rice is on his bye.


I dont even have MJD why would i pick him up?

I meant picked him up for her. It would have been the nice thing to do...You guys seem pretty busy though.


i just drafted for her cuz we had a house emregency while the draft was going on. Shes in charge of her own team i don't even have her login info


the funny part too is that the only picks she really had a say in was MJD, Dwill, and Ben - everything else was pretty much me
</p>


Denial of login info is the first sign of trouble in a relationship.</p>

i disagree

ASKING for login info is the first sign of trouble

bigblue4417
09-14-2011, 02:10 PM
ehhh i think we have the browns beat
</p>


dude, our home jerseys don't even have 2 colors....lol</p>


so, no....we dont...</p>




Blue &amp; white looks better than Brown, ORange, and White

gewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
</p>


Love the Browns uniforms. But I was raised on them back in Cleveland as a little kid.</p>


</p>


I gotta agree, I like their classic look much better than ours.

I really like nothing about our uniforms. I mean DO like the shade of blue we use, if that counts. lol</p>




i would take Marylands state flag unis over them

now THATS saying something

I have Orange and Brown. Gross colors
</p>


Its all a matter of opinion. I think the Browns uni's are classic.</p>


And speaking of the Browns, if anyone ever wants to see an all time funny movie...watch "The Fortune Cookie".</p>
I like the Browns jerseys to. I like how their helmets are plain.

They should bring this guy back...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/108/398/Browns50-69_display_image.gif?1311072351

dezzzR
09-14-2011, 02:11 PM
should i trade danny amerdola and ed ****son for manningham? i doooo want manningham
</p>


What kind of idiot would give away MM for those 2 stiffs?</p>amerdola isnt that bad. and ****son had a good game sunday

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2011, 02:11 PM
I would take Marylands state flag unis over them


Those were sick....Fear the Turtle baby!


those were an abomination

i respected the attempt but that **** was ugly